Some More News - DeRepublicans in Disarray, Newsom's Anti-Labor Week, and EVEN MORE Stripped Out Headlines

Episode Date: October 6, 2023

Hello and welcome back to even more news, the first and only news podcast. My name is Katie Stoll. Thank you, Katie Stoll. I know that from listening to this podcast. That's how I get my news. And that's the only place I can get it. So I'm Cody, by the way. Hi, Cody, by the way.

Joining us today for the first time, we have Emmy-winning journalist and co-host of the new podcast, In Retrospect, Susie Bannikaran. Hello, welcome. Hello. Thank you for having me. So you're a journalist and you, why are we still the only news podcast? I mean.

I know, it's so weird. It's true. I don't know what that is. I don't know why they're like not getting into podcasting, but we'll see if I can convince them to embrace it on the news side. We do need more podcasts, I think. I think so.

I've never heard of another one until you were here today. I know. I mean, I live in Brooklyn and it's like nobody's heard of them here. Nobody does them. It's weird. Get on this trend, y'all. We want to hear all about you and your show. But first, we've got some holidays to warm us up.

Cheers. Warm us up. warm up the conversation october 5th this one's good october 5th world teachers day we love teachers oh good good and jonathan's wife is a teacher so happy teacher day to your family jonathan oh thank you how are you celebrating uh i'll be here working, not being a teacher. Sure. She she comes home every day and she has like hard long days at the high school where she teaches here in Los Angeles. And then I say, oh, let me tell you what it was like at the podcast and YouTube factory. And she's like, what is a podcast? It's like, oh, you know, that that thing I like

make you listen to once sometimes twice a week on your commute you don't get it you don't get a respite from it that's what it is yeah that's what impressive that she listens to your podcast even though she has to listen to you all the time like that's real love she's uh a saint she can't get enough of the dulcet tones of producer jonathan in her ears these two kids really really have it all figured out i think you're not a kid you're our age we love teachers it's too late now but maybe in retrospect you can bring your teacher like in a treat maybe you know something nice a shiny red apple work harder at school for your teacher yeah that's the best treat that you can give your teacher i don't know or cash absolutely hard work or cash are acceptable

and then october 6th this one's interesting. National Transfer Money to Your Daughter Day. This is a day to transfer money to your daughter. What? Go on. Go on, though. I did some digging. I spent time on this. Daysoftheyear.com says this was a holiday founded by Zelle in 2017.

I could find no evidence of that whatsoever. I did a journalism and I think this one started with a viral tweet from October 4th, 2016 from at Maddie Slater 22, which said, when's national transfer money

to your daughter's account day, which got 18,000 likes and then a bunch of other people started talking about it. And now it's now it's on the day calendar. That's what it is. Yeah.

Great job. Well, excellent well excellent spectacular sleuthing snopes stamp i guess i could send this one to my parents i'm not sure that they want to celebrate it though i think we're past that stage of our relationship they have celebrated that with me plenty of times throughout my life. They have, if I'm being honest. They didn't know it was a holiday. They didn't know it was a fun holiday. Yeah. Thanks. This is my time.

I'm going to celebrate this day by thanking my parents for all of the times. For all the other times. On a different day. You know, like when my car's been impounded and stuff like that. Ah, early 20s in LA. Okay. pounded and stuff like that ah early 20s and in la okay transfer your money to your daughters who will then give their money to the teachers is that the plan yeah okay all right we got there suzy thank you so much for joining us today in retrospect okay so this sounds very fun it's about

revisiting pop culture moments from the 80s and 90s with an updated lens, which feels like there's probably an endless amount of fodder stuff that you can go back over. What are what are some of your favorites that you've done so far? Yeah, there are so many. So it's true. We really have had to think about what makes sense for us to do. And, you know, my co-host, too, is Jess Bennett, who's a columnist at the Times. And I have tried to pick moments of things we really had a personal attachment to in some way. Some are loved or followed really closely. Like I was kind of obsessed with the Amy Fisher story. So Amy Fisher is not obviously like a story that I love, but it's a story I really paid attention to

around the same age as her. I was like kind of fascinated by all the details of that. And then, you know, there's a fun episode we do, which is like a little hard to call these episodes fun, because when you look back

on all these things, there's all sorts of like weird, uncomfortable layers you've forgotten about. But there's an episode we do where Jess was a huge Dawson's Creek fan. So there's an episode we do where jess was a huge dawson's creek fan so we have an episode about pc and this relationship he had with the teacher which oh right yeah so which mirrored that mary k letourneau case i don't know if you guys

remember mary k letourneau but she was a teacher speaking of national teachers yeah oh perfect tie it in yeah you can not tie it and i'm just like really working it out um you had an affair with a 12 year old student and then ended up having his kid and then when she got out of prison seven years later marrying him so kind of what we're doing with these moments is finding these stories that we kind of vaguely remember but had some kind of impact on us. And then looking back and being like, wow, there were so many things about these stories we missed when they happened. So the other sort of classic example of this is, I don't know, I don't know if we're all about the same age, but there was this really famous soap opera couple when I was growing up. Soap operas

were still a pretty big deal. And was this couple and their wedding was such a big deal that it was a two-day tv event 30 million people watched it like all these people took the day off work i mean it was wild yeah yeah do you remember i do i remember this i wasn't a big soap opera person but yes i remember this my sister and mom watched this specifically yeah right it was one of these like cultural moments that even if you didn't care about it you just like sort of were aware of it in the ether but the thing most people forget is that that relationship started on general hospital when luke sexually assaulted laura like in an explicit storyline he was supposed to be a sort of small character who came on

did this crime and then left and was used to boost ratings, I guess, because they thought an assault storyline would be like great for ratings. And they were right. I mean, it was not only great for ratings, but viewers fell in love with this character. And so they had to slowly over time, morph it into a romance and a seduction. So we kind of look at these moments of things where we were like, Oh, that's a and then we're like wow if you look at the context of that moment what was actually happening in the country and what did it sort of tell us about ourselves and how did it shape us and you know and we're hoping also how did it shape listeners and that's why they'll find it interesting this sounds fun and important it's hard because we do want it to feel like you're at a fun dinner or like you're at brunch with us.

But some of the subject matter does wade into stuff that's not. I guess fun isn't the thing that I the word that I should have used, especially after you just described that specific episode. But what I mean is delving into elements of pop culture that we do remember and you know interesting is a better word yeah but you know a lot of stuff has been like we don't want it to feel stuffy or like we're scolding people for liking these things we love these things right so the idea is it is meant to be a way to look back on things that you feel nostalgic about, or you feel fondly about. Have like a sort of critical moment about it. Right. Like absolutely.

All serious. We do an episode about Axe body spray and like why it became such like a cultural phenomenon. That one sounds fun. And I just don't know if you know this but they found empty cans of axe body spray on the grounds after the january 6th ride the official body spray of the january do you have any like interesting topics that you want to explore? I could pitch married with children.

Oh yeah. I mean, we want people to pitch us. So that's a good one. That's not something I watch, but if you have like a connection to that, you should come on and tell us about it. I would love. I have a big connection to it, but I was just thinking about it. And I was like, yeah, I mean, every.

That show is just mired in sexism. Fat phobia. Just just abusive parenting abusive relationships but oh haha it's funny yeah i mean there was a element of relatable because it was you know the everyman and there are certain like working class struggles that are very relatable to people but i guess i did watch more married with children don't get me wrong like i grew up watching a lot of television so i've definitely seen it i hadn't thought of that that's a good one also because christina applegate is presented it's such like a dumb blonde and she's quite smart in real life right yeah oh yes totally of the sort of like was married with children supposed to be kind of like an archie

bunker yeah like yeah i think there was a little tongue-in-cheek sort of like awareness that like he is the butt of the joke yeah a lot of the times because of how he behaves but also you're still doing it all the time and running for 10 years and like it seeps in like yeah he was the butt of the joke but he also wasn't like But also, I didn't really watch it, so I could be completely wrong. You're like, yeah, his wife does suck. Also, I think Christina Applegate's character was very sexualized on that show.

Oh, yeah. She was probably like 15 or 16 when it started. I mean, there is endless amounts of things you could unpack about married with children. Yeah. I mean, there, there is an endless amounts of things you could unpack about married with children. Yeah. All right. Well, we're going to, you guys can come on and talk to us about married with children. Love it. I mean, I think that's one of the things we have it because we're a pretty new show. We haven't had a chance yet to have people like come on and be like, I listened to the show and I had this idea. And I think that's going to be really interesting to see what it brings up for other people because you know when we started thinking about this the way I kind of framed it in my mind

was we've had this kind of you know almost cottage industry of like looking back on certain women like what look what they did to Britney Spears and look what they did to you know Whitney Houston and look at what happened with um you know, and the Janet Jackson thing. But what we haven't really explored as much is kind of what it felt like to be a young person, like a young girl or even a young boy and to receive those messages. Like, what did it tell you about your own struggles

with mental health when you saw the way people talked about Britney Spears? So in a lot of ways, what we're doing is actually sort of media criticism. We're looking at the way in which, you know, journalists like us, you know, so we're not, again, we're not pointing the finger, but it tends to be that stories get flattened in the retelling. Like the more we tell a story, the more we kind of flatten the nuances and we kind of give you just one broad stroke about what it meant or who was right and who was wrong. And so it's really interesting to look back and be like, wow, I did not remember so many

random details. Like another crazy detail that I did not know about the Amy Fisher story, which, you know, was again, a story about a 16 year old girl who was sleeping with a 38 year old man. I mean, that was, it was a statutory rape story for better or for worse. But you know, when it was sold to the public, it was really just very much like she was this vixen. She was this Lolita, Long Island Lolita. But Joey Barapuco was a recruiter for a local agency, escort agency. And his nickname, it's just a great detail, was Joey Coco Pops, because he got them all their cocaine so it's like those are the stories that sort of you're like wait how do i not remember that that is a fascinating detail but it's because everyone was so focused on her and sort of painting

her in a certain way and just dismissing him as a buffoon whereas he had very much like recruited her to work at this escort agency he had like essentially turned out Amy Fisher as part of their relationship. You know, so these are things you sort of, you know, as journalists, that's the part we really find most gratifying is finding these details that tell you a bigger story. Yeah, it's very important. Everything moves so fast in the moment that we don't even see what's happening. And you need to go back and find those details to fully understand an

event. Also, I just want to say, I guess it's time to pivot to current events, but, and I've said this recently on the show and other contexts, but I do feel very positive about the amount of social growth we've seen in a relatively short period of time. The Sophie Turner stuff you mentioned, right?

You know, it's like we live through this and our perception of what's happening, as you said, like we've had these tough cultural conversations lately that have really sped up our growth, is my point. And so many of these things that are in our very recent past need to be reexamined so that we can fully unpack and continue to learn from them. Yeah, and see the signs of like, this is just like what we did 20 years ago in this story that's similar. Maybe we don't do that again. Totally. I mean, I think one way that that is sort of exemplified is what happened with megan the stallion i always say that too i always say that in two straight away i know but you know we do an episode about robin gibbons and i don't know how much you remember about robin gibbons but the way that robin gibs became sort of this national punchline is that

her and Mike Tyson were married and they did this very famous interview with Barbara Walters where Robin Givens admitted on camera when Barbara Walter asked her if Mike Tyson was violent with her, that he was in fact being physically abusive with her. And the public reaction to that was to call her the most hated woman in America, like literally headlines. She was, she was like on the cover of people magazine with this huge headline that said like, why does everybody hate me? She was sort of confronted with this. And the idea was, is that it's because she had humiliated him. Like people turned on her because they saw her as this gold digger who'd humili him when she was, by the way, a very famous actress in her own right. She wasn't, you know, she didn't want him to be

famous or to get attention. But when you look at the case with Megan, it's actually some similar things play out, right? I mean, they were in a relationship of sorts. She initially tried to protect him. And the backlash was almost entirely towards her as opposed to the person who shot her. Right. And that is really interesting that we see that play out in the same way, just a bit on a smaller scale. And the bigger difference is also that Megan has a platform of her own. So she can go on Instagram live and talk directly to people and say like, no, look, this is what happened to me. But she did face a torrent of online like trolls and abuse. And so in some ways, you know, we have seen a lot of growth, but in some ways you still feel a lot of good points.

Yeah. Right. Especially when we're talking about people of color, especially when you're talking about that's super important. And thank you for bringing up that example because we, you're right. There is growth, but not enough. Yeah. And I think that the idea isn't supposed to be like,

to again, I don't want to be like, oh, look, no, that things are still terrible, but more of what we're trying to do is help develop pattern recognition. So that when you see that story, the first thing you think of is, oh my God, this is so similar to X or Y, rather than just kind of like, you know, when that story first became, you know, sort of like a big story, I didn't pay a lot of close attention

to it. And then as I started to read more about it, because I'm working on this podcast, I was like, oh, I see the sort of historical context for this. I see the patterns. And that's really what we're hoping you kind of take away from the pod right as you see the patterns for yourself and especially i know i keep doing we're gonna pivot soon we're gonna talk about news so don't worry i'm ready i don't know that this necessarily happens but you takes root in the same way but there is always a backlash to growth and we see it. Like there's lots of communities of people that pick a topic, any topic we'll, we'll see the pushback online

and the growing community of people are like, well, no, actually, uh, women X, Y, Z this, they should be supporting their man. So no matter how much growth there is, there's also the opportunity for us to lose that perspective especially with these uh opposing forces that we see so predominantly on social media and everywhere so yeah definitely good work keep it up i'll come talk about different episodes different episode episode. You know, a butt is a lot like a car. Honk honk, toot toot. Both are curvy, they help you get around, and you can hide stuff in them if your house gets raided. And like a fine car, you want to pamper and wash your butt. That's why I use the Hello Tushy Bidet.

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it's ugly so messy we knew this was gonna happen yeah ke, Kevin McCarthy, he was removed as Speaker of the House this week. It's never happened this way in the history of our fine, fine country. It's fine. So you'll remember that months ago to ensure that he could become Speaker, Kevin McCarthy changed some rules at the request of Matt Gaetz and some of the other far-right House Republicans to allow a single member of Congress to bring a motion to vacate to the House floor. Matt Gaetz this week was mad that McCarthy made a deal with the Democrats to fund the government for an additional 45 days, so he pushed the button. They went to a full vote. Eight Republicans voted in favor of the motion to vacate, along with every Democrat, because they were like, why should we help?

That's kind of what you get, man. Yeah. 24 hour news network you're watching some people will be uh blaming the uh eight republicans for kind of pulling this lever and blowing everything up and some people will be blaming the democrats because they're always expected to be the bigger people in the room and they should have kept order and kept mccarthy there um and now there is no uh speaker of the House and next week they're going to start figuring out who it is. Could be Jim Jordan. Could be Steve Scalise. Could be Donald Trump. Who's to say?

All good choices. Yeah, all great. All great choices. I mean first off, okay, Marjorie Taylor Green didn't vote to oust him? Nope. No, and actually Lauren Bovert didn't vote to oust him nope no and actually lauren bovert didn't either which i thought was interesting interesting really been just like a matt gates show um and

interestingly it's now marjorie taylor green who is suggesting that donald trump be put in as speaker i guess you don't have to be a member of the house which seems what is that rule i think we learned i think it's one of those rules where they didn't think they had to explicitly put it in there we should have explicitly put that in there error of omission on that one we should fix it but there's a part of me that's like okay who are we gonna get next like uh is jim jordan better uh no but i couldn't it's all pretty bad yeah so i don't know let them just eat each other alive i don't know yeah i think the hope is is that well it's not gonna be better and it's gonna be a real real mess, right? No, it's not. It's going to take forever for them to sort this out.

It's going to be at least a week because of the holiday coming up on Monday. But I think the hope is, is that the next person, because so few people want this job, will have the leverage to make sure this rule is eliminated so that they won't leave with Matt Gaetz sort of like in the background, like a villain, like rubbing together for any day just like randomly chance right like no one can work under these conditions and frankly you know Kevin McCarthy set himself up for this he made a deal with the devil and then he paid the price like it's really hard for me to have sympathy for him in this like who agreed why would he agree to this it's insane it's insane yeah i don't understand i mean i do understand because everything's stupid um but like why this reaction isn't just very like the common reaction where it's like yeah this is what he agreed to and this is what happened so end of story and also like you know how every like month or so there's like a Dems in disarray.

They're very much in array right now. It appears like they all voted. So it just seems like, yeah, they're like on message. They're doing what they're supposed to be doing. I don't know. It's weird to be like, yeah, the Republican Party wants to shut down the government but the democrats who helped get mccarthy out don't want to govern because like it's it's all very convoluted well the one way in which the democrats are not in a race the story about jamal bowman right he's the rep who like

pulled the fire alarm i mean there has got to be no happier man than that guy that this is happening on the republican side because it's completely distracted from him doing that like i forgot about that so i mean there are things happening on the democrat side but luckily for them it's all being eclipsed by this mess are we like maybe we haven't all settled on what actually happened there it does it seem as if he was trying to open the door and he couldn't and he was like well this might work pulling the fire alarm like it's a stupid he was stupid not malicious right stupid if that's what it was but also the i've only seen the screenshot right there's a screen grab of the moment but it doesn't

show the moments before or after so like there's like body language that's missing of like him like what's going on as opposed to him being like anybody looking i'm gonna pull the fire alarm right now like right like there's like he may have there's something to be gleaned from just seeing like a second before and a second after i wish people could see you guys right now doing kind of like the motions of sneaking i know very funny he's doing a pink pantherist yeah but like there's body language he's either sneaky or confused and i think that will tell us what what the deal was um but also he voted uh for like he didn't like he wouldn't have stopped it he didn't stop anything like he didn't do anything right but they're pulling up the alarm it didn't do anything

i think the contention was he was just trying to delay it but did are you saying it didn't delay it at all that's actually i don't actually know now that you say that i realize i don't know what happened i mean it must have delayed an amount but yeah temporarily but like five minutes but not enough right like it's just like to what end jamal to what end like what is it like he knows the camera is there right i mean we've seen all the january 6 footage there has i mean if he there is a camera on every corner then i don't know what he's been doing for the last few years. So it almost feels too stupid to be not an accident. But I have learned in American politics that there is no such thing as too stupid. Absolutely. Do you guys think, Katie, I'm sorry, I'll let you move on.

No, no, no, I don't. I do want to ask about if this, because I'm not a master strategist, I'm not wheeling and dealing politically but it seems like matt gates gave up his leverage his leverage was like i could do this thing but now that he's done it and they're gonna like change the rules i'm i'm sure when someone gets in there his power's gone it's like you can't pull this again i mean you could pull that fire alarm again but you can't pull this again there's all this talk about like like the strategic brilliance mind of matt gates and it's like yeah like to what end like right this is our question to all of them today yeah he gets to be on newsmax for a couple

and that's and that's part of it i think is just it's like he's very he's an ego uh politician they all are but you know he's very very much is and so it's the attention it's sort of like to present the illusion that he has control and power over the party which i guess technically he did in this one moment but not anymore not really but i am very curious how any of this is landing with voters conservative voters because it's just chaotic. It's chaotic. Also, I just want to bring it back around to all of this is because of, well, lots of reasons, but the government, funding the government.

And we always do this. There's always some big dramatic show of this political theater of of we're gonna do this for our side and you know people's lives are at stake here we lose sight of that i um up here with the forest service i've got lots of friends that work in the forest service several days of preparing for the government to shut down instead of taking care of the forest and that is true in every arena you know like it's unsucking believable that this is our system that we keep running up against it and that they are willing to shut the government down and and we're gonna all of our their energy is going to be taken up in this political this civil

war within the party instead of getting to the point where we can fund the government. So in just a few weeks, it's all going to happen again. And then people are going to be spending days preparing to shut down the government instead of, I don't know, fighting fucking fires. Yeah, it happens. It happens all the time. And also, it's always framed as like the dems don't want to deal so they want the government to shut down it's like no you threatened to shut the government down you started this conversation like this is one of those classic things where it's like when the

democrats are in power the republicans shut it down when the yeah it's like you can't pretend it's the democrats who want to shut it down this time it's like it's their thing and i think the problem is honestly when you're asking like what's in it for matt gates is matt gates is this kind of politician like a lauren bobert or like marjorie taylor green who i feel like is literally just governing for twitter or you know it's attention basically the likes and the retweets yeah right it's like it's for this like very specific part of the Republican Party that's very like MAGA, like show them, like look at this, like make them cry more. It's like this trolling thing. And he fund raises off of it. And so that's what he's doing. But you're right. There are real people whose lives are going to be really affected by that.

And it is easy. You know, I'm like a political nerd. I love watching this stuff. And it's easy to forget that, you know, this is not just theater. This is, you know, really going to have an impact on the country. To be honest, I mean, I've thought about that before. But this year, having so many friends, I moved up to the mountains. I say that like at one point every episode to our guests. I know. I hear you live in the mountains, but I'm very jealous. New merch in the store. There's lots of, I live in the mountains i say that like at one point every episode to our guests i know i know you live in the mountains but i'm very jealous there's lots of i live in the mountains new mcneil but i

recently i recently moved to the mountains yeah actually yep write it down jonathan um but it just kind of landed with me slightly different in the city i'm removed from stuff not that there's not a ton of government workers that run things in the city but i feel removed from stuff not that there's not a ton of government workers that run things in the city but i feel removed from it but now i was struck by how many people that i know up here said like oh yeah you know we're just preparing i don't know if i'm going to be coming to work next week also people depend on those paychecks it's goes beyond the public safety thing it's like anywho also the damn i wish i remember which congressman this was because i would like very much to call him out

but one of these guys was on cnn or msnbc or whatever i was watching and the interviewer was like would you forego your paycheck until you pass the deal and he was like well i rely on my paycheck and he was like what are you saying right now like can you hear yourself say that oh my god take an extra 30 seconds unlike the answer that the scrooge mcduck-esque u.s forest service i congressman must get paid well i rely on my paycheck you're the only one who were what a thing to say relatable like he was like you know i'm someone who rely on my paycheck you're the only one who relies what a thing to say relatable like he was like you know i'm someone who relies on my paycheck and i was like that's not relatable that's just like a human fact we all rely on that's how people don't rely on their paychecks

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That's drinkag1.com slash more news. Okay? Thank you. Thank you for taking the time to listen to me. Finally. And we're back. Remove the mental pin. One of the things right before we started recording cody was like oh should we talk about this and i was like maybe briefly because i resent how

much we talk about elon musk but sorry fun update on twitter.com no it's not we we are a good person to talk about this yeah removing headlines and blurbs from twitter just an image yeah i this is he's done a lot of bad things to the site obviously and it was uh obviously we all had problems with the website but it was very useful um and uh fun oftentimes and when like horrendous things happened you got the garbage opinions but it was kind of like not prominent it wasn't boosted in the replies um but i feel like this headline thing is one of the worst things he's done um like it's an information sharing platform it's a uh it's for social it's a text-based social media and information platform and he's getting rid of headlines of links that you share he's like he's pushing this like he

says it's because of aesthetics he spelled it wrong he has twitter blue you can you can you can fix your typos with twitter what are you doing um but uh it's going to like force like real publications to make thumbnails that are like clickbaity and gross and have like attention grabbing things in their image with because they can't get the headline the information out there it's gonna look so much like garbage uh and lead to a lot of misinformation because you can post whatever and the headline doesn't show up so you can post whatever you think are pretending the headline is the link will still like take you there so you can say that the headline is something it's not going to show up because it's just the image you click on it oh it's something that didn't say it was it's like it just makes this huge mess and uh i think it sucks and that's why all i wanted to say

so thank you for letting me bring that up for the perfect setup yeah there are so many implications to it and it's dumb like him but let's talk about something else yeah it just like it was we were gonna bring it up but it's like no no no it's going to affect like journalism and uh even more than the changes he's already done um i think it's the point though right as he's trying to actually limit the amount of referrals he really wants to deprioritize me he wants to be able to control the flow of information and so he's really just trying to essentially dare all these publications to take their you know take their work off the platform and i'm honestly surprised more people have it.

Like, it is surprising to me that so many people are just trying to tough it out. Like, the New York Times, the Washington Post, even NPR, I think, went back, I'm not sure. But you know, it's like, we're getting much less return, like the ROI is getting worse and worse and worse for these publications. I have to assume eventually, they'll just abandon it and that's what he wants because he wants a place where him and his like weird buddies can say whatever they want and this little like cult they're forming around them will just believe their version of that tough we we are going to move on but yeah we are interesting points because we go back and forth here and it's different because we're individuals and we're a smaller platform versus the New York Times, which is huge, obviously.

But it's tough. You both don't want to abandon it to let it be one site that dominates, you know, the cultural conversations, one group of people. But also, I mean, for me, I barely use use it anymore but it's the place where i have the most followers and in terms of my work and my career moving forward i don't want to turn my back on and i've loved twitter i hate it now but i'm like hopeful the bank takes it back or like because there's a there's an element i feel like a lot of or he loses interest because i mean there is reporting that they're not very happy with how much money he's losing them but

i feel like there is a sense of just like wait it out he'll be gone soon um because also i think katie like even your fear of like oh it's going to become this sort of cesspool like that's where all the cultural stuff is going to come from it won't because all the like the people that are being boosted aren't like being it's not like everybody agrees with them it's artificial so like it's gonna like it's not gonna be the place people go to because it's gonna end up like 4chan basically if it progresses i guess i mean that's a version of it i'm like but if people i don't know we're at this place right now where people still reference twitter and it's like, what narrative is taking hold amongst Twitter? No, it's a really, I feel the same way.

Like it feels like a silly thing to be grieving over, but it is also where I had my, the most kind of interaction with people. It's where I like saw, you know, like news and I saw my friends and stories. It's like, just was a way in which I felt like there was a little community there and I do sort of I mean I do frankly just miss it right I don't sort of miss it and I'm a little embarrassed about that because there were definitely times it was toxic for my brain like I know it wasn't always good for me but I don't have an easy replacement for it like I'm doing a lot more on Instagram but that just doesn't feel as natural so many reasons I've been spiraling about it to be honest not spiraling but like I'm like

embarrassed about how much it actually has changed my online behavior like I'm like yeah where did I look for information Instagram but I've always used that anyway I'm gonna move this on from this topic. Let's pivot back to some news, some politics news, because Dianne Feinstein died. Dienstein. Sorry, I typed that into the doc, and now I've said it out loud. It plays better when you're reading it, Dienstein. She's died. She's gone.

I'm just trying not to laugh because I feel like I shouldn't be laughing about someone dying. That's the only reason I don't know it's just too morbid so i can't be a shock to anybody that she was has not been doing well and there are plenty of good things that people have to say about diane feinstein lots of bad things and um we don't need to wade into that she was working too long she shouldn't have been working she shouldn't have been propped up to be our senator from california we need somebody in that job um gavin newsom uh previously promised to fill that seat or any seat vacancy with a black woman. And he has fulfilled that promise. He has appointed LaFonza Butler to the U.S. Senate.

Not Barbara Lee, which could have been a choice. Well, it's interesting because the reason given was that uh it's supposed to be like in fairness like uh well no it's supposed to be like a like a transitional like uh position like he didn't want somebody in that position who would like continue to run and take the seat so he did but she is also allowed to run. Well, right. Lafonza Butler has not said that she won't run again. So like the reason he gave also applies to who he did appoint. So there's actually no reason that he gave that's valid. I think I could be wrong about this, but I think it was also he didn't want to like disrupt.

I mean, Barbaralee is a representative, right? So he's in that role. Then you have the backfill, the representative role. So in theory, I think that part of the reason he gave was just like it was a cleaner decision. Easier. Yes. But I mean, Barbara Lee didn't feel like it was so clean. I mean, she's running for a Senate seat now, right? She is and Katie Porter.

and katie and katie porter so i mean i guess he didn't want to put a foot on that scale because he does need to work with whoever wins that race so absolutely politics behind it but i do too i don't trust that that's the full reason though personally but you are correct they always tell you exactly what they mean because you are correct that then barbara lee's you know seat would have to be filled i don't know that that's that much more work than what this is i mean also isn't correct me if i'm wrong jonathan but is it she's was appointed as the interim so she has to run to officially be the replacement and then so it's an interim until there's a race to actually fill her seat yeah she'll be the senator for another year but diane should have retired long ago and by all the reports everything that we are reading and can watch with our eyes and observe with our brains and all of that is you know they didn't want her to retire because

it would have forced this question um and who would he appoint and he has already committed to appointing a black woman and yes not wanting to tip the scales, but it feels like the Democratic Party perhaps is pulling for Adam Schiff, or Nancy Pelosi is, is like a little bit of that, you know? So there's always been this dance of, we're not gonna, we want her to stay in this seat as long as possible so that we don't have to have this conversation. But again, she's likely to run. I mean, I don't know she hasn't said it or committed to it, but again, it kind of goes against the stated reasons of we want to keep it fair on the upcoming race.

However, we should talk about LaFonza Butler. Yeah, I mean, I don't know that she, even if she decided to run, it would be hard to put together the war chest you need to run. It would. I mean, she does run or she was running Emily's List, which, you know, I'm sure people know is this kind of like organization that helps encourage women to run. So to run for office. So I'm sure

she does have access to a lot of fundraising. But even with that kind of access, I think it would be hard to put it together. I mean, these guys have been, I feel like Adam Schiff and Katie Porter and Barbara Lee have been running for a year already. Like, I feel like they just knew this was coming and have been preparing for it. So I don't know that she will be able to, you know, there is some benefit to being an incumbent, but I don't know in this seat. It feels like there's a lot going on already. It's a good point. It's true. I mean. a lot going on already it's a good point it's true i mean and like no yeah more like recognizable names who are have like have the actual experience yeah to get to that position a little bit about lafonza because this also dovetails into a general conversation about gavin newsom if there's time

if there's time actually jonathan why don't you walk us through some of these? Well, LaFonza Butler was, you know, she's described in most of these articles announcing her as a former labor leader, which is true. She served as president of an SEIU local and the California SEIU State Council. But after serving as a labor leader, she left to work with a consulting firm called scrb strategies where she advised uber on its dealings with organized labor specifically as uber was developing prop 22 which is the california proposition that said uber drivers are and doordash drivers lyft drivers are not employees they will remain independent contractors and it denies those employees um and i describe them as that because of course they are but it denies those employees um and i describe them as that

because of course they are but it denies those uh those workers the same kind of labor protections as employees get uh then in 2020 she left scrb to take a job at airbnb as director of public policies and campaigns in north america there's less about specifically what she worked on there, but she worked at Airbnb as they were lobbying on antitrust things. And then she became president of Emily's List in 2021. And the other mini scandal, I guess, if you want to call it or question surrounding her being appointed is that Emily's List lists her residence as Maryland. She lived in California for a long time, so it's kind of a toss-up of whether or not we care about that. Right.

I kind of care. She lived in Maryland or lives in Maryland and is, you know, moving back. Well, presumably she'll have, yeah, move back. But I mean, it's like she had Washington's at the time anyway, so it's kind of like a, you guys remember, I guess this is kind of a New York centric thing. So you guys might not have been aware of this, but it's pretty clear Eric Adams was living in New Jersey while he was running for the mayor. There's a lot of evidence

of that. And I just think it's so funny that this is like a common thing now. I'm like, you know, the internet exists. Like there's so much evidence of where you live. I don't understand why this is becoming a common problem where people lie about where they live like we have we know we know where you live south jersey of all places he was wearing uh eagles jerseys you know he wasn't even that that's me my favorite is when he gave a car of his like supposed apartment it was like so obvious it was his son's apartment like he was like where i keep my sneaker collection like what is that it's got like framed poster of a k-pop band on the wall or something like scarface posters sometimes i

wish we were a new york podcast so we could talk about that guy like i know we're just not as familiar with here in new york he's one thing we have not mentioned is that lafonda is also publicly out she is a lesbian and we love that we love you know i mean we love that we love she's the first black gay senator so great um yes thanks gavin newsom also you, Gavin Newsom, for vetoing a bill last weekend that would have granted unemployment benefits to workers on strike because our state's in debt. Also vetoed a bill same day would have extended OSHA workplace protections to domestic workers. Also vetoed a bill that would have required human drivers aboard self-driving trucks. So in general, a little bit anti-worker lately. Seems like it.

Feels like our boy Gavin's... Maybe he's positioning for something. Maybe he knows where his bread is buttered and he wants to get more butter for his bread. You feel like the fact that he's been on Fox News a lot lately? Maybe he's trying to do something. Maybe he's trying to get his ex-wife back. I don't know. That's true.

I forgot. Let's not forget his ex-wife. Kimberly Guilfoyle. Kimberly Guilfoyle. Wow. That's really... Make her regret her choices. When you look at pictures of her from when they were married she looks like a totally normal different person yeah i mean i know that's a weird way of framing it but she's just like literally has gone through this like

weird trumpian transformation oh yeah it's i don't think it's good i don't think it's good for you when you go through that different yeah the mag, it sort of gets in you and then you express it physically. It gets stuck in you inside. I'm actually curious. You guys are in the union, right? You guys are in both in SAG? I'm in SAG. I'm not. I'm not. I'm just actually curious what it, I mean, what does it feel like now that the WGA has, you know, resolved their side? Like, does it make you feel hopeful? Do you feel like it's just still a mess? Yeah, thank you for the last topic that we were maybe gonna talk about today. That was perfect. Um, I do feel hopeful. The WGA got a very strong deal. And that's great. We needed to deal with that first before we get to SAG. Our fight is a little different. And the AI

conversation is going to be stickier we'll see how it goes i am hopeful that this will be quick i feel that every everybody knows that it has to be over the not just for actors or writers but for the caterers for the for the line the journeymen the crew the direct everybody needs to get back to work um so i do feel like there's been that this has been highly effective uh this this tandem strike and i feel all the support of the wga is they're still out there there's so many people that are you know in both unions i have been cautioned to not to be hopeful that it will be resolved quickly, but not expect it. You know, it might take a few weeks because the AI thing is it's already happening.

People, we already have stunt performers and background actors getting scanned. It's already a thing. And I don't know how we go back from that. We have it's it's so tricky. So right. Because the writing ai stuff is not like there really not there yet um and so i think it's like you're saying like it's easier to to sort of like all right we won't like we'll promise some stuff on ai won't do do a lot of that stuff but like you're saying like they are doing a lot of ai for actors already uh they use

it for even like we talked about, like in the, the flash movie, they used it to do the double version of Ezra Miller and like all these sort of things that they're, they've kind of been going on without anybody pointing to it and be like, wait, that's a problem until now.

Whereas with the writing, it was more like we all were sort of seeing it progress because everyone's like oh chat gpt look at this look at this it's very front-facing different forms of ai have been used in this technology for a while i mean we even we insert people in that have already passed into you know like yeah i guess i was aware of it i just didn't know it was happening to the extent you know but they have already started implementing it in in different ways so it'll be i don't i don't know how long to expect it to go but i am hopeful it'll be quick um and from what i understand i don't know that studios and streamers are like opening up their wallets so much as especially

with in terms of the WGA deal, there will be fewer shows, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. There's an abundance of shows, which is means an abundance of opportunities. But if those opportunities are immediately being pulled from the platform. So I don't know how that that affects the negotiations for SAG in terms of the writers, it's like, okay, there's going to be fewer shows. Fine. Now let's talk about us. So we haven't gotten any insight yet because they didn't return to the negotiating table

until this week. And I believe tomorrow, Friday, they will go back. I think that there's going to be negotiating over the weekend. Didn't the big studio executives show up for the negotiation this week like i feel like that's a sign that they must be serious it's a good sign yes yeah you guys are showing up i mean what would be the point of making a deal

with the writers if they weren't gonna like make a deal with the actors and get ready for it absolutely right because they want yeah they want to make i just don't know if it's gonna be if we're gonna hit this weekend and get something or if it's going to be another couple weeks hopefully they must be thinking they must have the timeline in their head right they must know how many weeks they need the writers to be back at work before exactly yeah the scripts are in now we can make a deal well and that was a big part of it like my I had a friend a couple a friend who was like you know wrote on a network show and they got word like if the strike wraps up in the next month then we're getting a second season and so the strike wrapped up but then they canceled the show

brutal anyway but that's to suggest like yes they, they are back. They are back to work. They are writing. They are beating out like the episode arcs. And, you know, so yes, you're right. That's a good calculation. How many weeks of pre-production do they need before they meet actors back in their chair? Like, yeah, this has been so fun. You're wonderful, Susie. Can you please plug your show again? Tell our listeners where they can follow you.

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