Some More News - Epstein Survivors, The State of the Media, and Questions For JD Vance w/ CNN's Kate Bolduan

Episode Date: September 5, 2025

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And that's right, it's me also, Cody John Stun from the show that you just mentioned. Hello, Katie. America's beloved Cody Johnston, folks. And do not fret. Jonathan is also here. Hi. Hi, Jonathan. I was fretting, but now I'm not.

Oh, we've got an interesting, fantastic show for you today. In a moment, the boys will be joined by CNN's Kate Baldwin. She will be coming on and they have an interview. I, however, will not be present for that interview as I will be on a flight across the country. My very first flight since 2019, so. Really? Really. If the plane goes down, I'm saying this with all seriousness, you do need to play.

Isn't it ironic at my funeral? And it's okay because I'm asking for it. Maybe this will get cut because it's bad luck. Anywho. I mean, we'll know what the outcome of the flight is in the morning. So I think we'll keep it in if you survive, and if you perish, we'll cut it, because that's important.

But you still need to play it. Am I in charge of the song at your funeral? Presumably one of you will be able to contact my parents who will be... Right, because then we have to, like, call your parents, be like, so, like, I think at the funeral, I think she'd really enjoy if we played it. Hey, this is Jonathan. I'm on the...

I work with... I'm sorry, I work with your daughter. I'm like, I'm very integral to what she does. Anyway, that's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine.

Anyway, she wants this song, I'm quoting her now, isn't it ironic by Alanis Morissette? I'm assuming that's the one. Thank you. That's the song. If you can get Alanis, that'd be even better. Do you want to, you guys want to hear a quick late stage capitalism thing? Sure. Yeah.

So. Why did I say it like that? The Philadelphia Eagles won the Super Bowl, a few months. a ghost which means they get the first game of the season they get the kickoff game they're hosting uh the dallas cowboys on thursday night and uh septa the railway in the metro subway railway in philadelphia is having some budget cutbacks they're having some issues and so the city and the team were like don't take septa to the game on thursday night unless you like have tickets don't come to tailgate don't come to the area because there's not

going to be as much service as as usual it's going to be uh it's going to be really rough and so fan duel stepped in and is like we're going to pay so that service can resume as normal so that everyone who wants to can be in the area of lincoln financial field in philadelphia Thursday night so the the gambling app is doing what the government is finding it's unable to do budget cut Backbacks for one day for the one night just so the one night right like not even you can go and drink and it's free free rides home and everything so good that's good good good business strategy for them also yes now this company is doing with the government should be doing bad All right well now it's time for The guys talk chat with someone else named Kate

But we're going to at the end of the show it'll be me again with them to talk about the news, which we're going to record right now. Don't worry about it. It's going to make sense when you see it all laid out. Okay, bye. All right, we are back. We are here, and we are excited to announce our guest. She is the co-anchor of CNN News Central Weekday Mornings on CNN.

She also hosts the Daily Five Things series on CNN Max. It's Kate Baldwin. It was kind of like, who could it be? Who could do it? Who can do? People are narrowing it down. Don Lemon. Is that right?

No, that can't be right at this point. Don Lemon, jig tapper. You said she, so, yeah, it's like, and no, it's like, bern, it's gay, sorry. I think we'll be talking about this in an overarching way the whole time. But this is a weird time to be a cable news anchor, right? How do you feel like you're adapting all of you and what's the strangest, or hardest thing about reporting the news in the Trump 2.0 era? Best way to ask a question is when you know the, when you already know the answer.

Like, you're like, it's a strange time to be in the news, right? Stop there. Yes. Agree. It is a strange time for lots of reasons, right? The industry is changing, transitioning, and the news is a lot. So I, it feels, I often describe it as, um, you're just drinking from a fire hose. So you just, you buckle up, um, and you just get back to the basics, which is know your facts, check your facts. And, um, for me, I just try to take myself out of it. Like I take myself,

I just take myself, I just remove myself from the equation and who cares about Kate's feelings or who cares about anything. Just get to the facts and just stay there and navigate the daily as well as possible. And that is kind of a, it's different for everybody on how you navigate it because you report on a president because he's a president and has, and decisions impact all of our lives. you make editorial decisions because you're in control of your show so do you read every truth social on air because it's said by the president who you have to cover that's your editorial choice i think decisions during the first administration on that question are there are lessons learned and it's done differently this administration and you just keep at it

because as we always say by 10 by 10 I am, you got to, for me, it's over at 10 a.m., just kidding. And then you got to do it again tomorrow. Yeah, is that? How difficult is that? Because I know that we have, you know, it is definitely a different administration now in a lot of ways. And at this point, you know, he's been the president once before. And then he wasn't for a while and he was less in our face, but then he came back. And a lot of his behaviors and things he says have been so normalized to the point where it's, it's reported often like, well, Trump said this thing. And a lot of people think that it's good and normal. And instead of sort of, like you're saying, stating just the facts of it, like Trump said this, but it's not true. I think we're seeing, we keep seeing a lot of, you know, headlines and things that don't necessarily get to the point where you have to see, oh, Trump said this thing. Well, I need to go three paragraphs down to find out if it's even accurate. Do you find that frustrating?

Do you find it easy? Do you like, do you think about that a lot of just sort of like this, this sanewashing of Trump that has happened up to this point and how to accurately and responsibly report on it without being like, well, both sides are saying that it's actually constitutional. And who knows if it is? So when you, when I approach it, I do it this way, right? Facts. There are facts.

There, but there, but there are, as, as we are also learning, there are boundaries that have been assumed that can be pushed that have never been tested. So, facts will change, right? Like, you can impose, you can impose tariffs on, on, on the glub. And you're bringing in a bunch of tariff revenue that you actually did, that a lot of people said wasn't possible, wasn't going to happen and isn't legal. And the Congress is supposed to do, exactly. And it's supposed to, right. And so the legal is still being, is being tested, right? But also with the, I use the word humility, with the humility of 50, I'm going to just, 50% of the country said yes, said yes, please again.

A little less. But you see what I'm saying? 75 million. You have a, you have a large portion of the country, which as a person on a television could be viewers. as a person who is a journalist who is reporting to these people. I come from Indiana. A lot of people I know, a lot of people I know voted for Trump, first time and this time.

So do you do with the humility of people know what they voted for? People vote. People know what they got. And they want, and they either, and when it comes to the way it's said, they either do not care how things how he says it and they just care about how how they're what it means for their lives and they move on and the policies that they believe so I approach I approach it with that humility of like I will I have you we have to give the facts but if we're if a constant a a show of constant fact check I mean you can I've learned how to do it faster like let me sum it up that way I've learned how to do it faster which is that's not right

You know, literally. They're not going to agree with you that that's not right and move on. It's not right. You can't debate with the audience on whether or not it's right or not because it is or it isn't. You say it. The normal question is one that I will, that's harder because the reason why is Congress. Because there is a huge portion of what has been become normal because Congress has abdicated their jobs

it is becoming normal because they're because they're allowing it and it doesn't and no matter if it's Kate Baldwin or anybody if you're saying this isn't normal right nobody cares anymore

right it's I mean what are people listen to that's a big question a little stunning and 10 years is a long time but it also feels like the blink of an eye in terms of how much things have shifted. I want to play a clip of, this is from 2016. It's you interviewing Stephen Miller, who was then working for then primary candidate Donald Trump. He was doing well. He was not yet the candidate. And this

kind of feels like a relic of a lost time. So, Stephen, this all could have ended yesterday. This could have ended with our conversation because this could have ended because the candidates could have ended it. But Donald Trump then sent out the retweet. No need to spill the beans. The images are worth a thousand words. Explain the retweet. Explain this coming from Donald Trump. I think the retweet speaks for itself. There was a vicious, mean-spirited, uncalled-for attack on Mr. Trump's wife, and it was a personal attack about her image and appearance. And so he responded as any normal person would. Why does Donald Trump want to continue to talk about this?

Because as I look at this retweet as a woman, it's demeaning to not only Ted Cruz's wife, it's demeaning to Melania Trump because she's got a lot more going for her than just her looks, and you don't see that in this retweet. And yes, we will agree on one thing. Put politics out of this. You and I are not going to agree on endorsing something that is demeaning to women, including Donald Trump's wife. Women want safe communities. Women want safe communities.

They want better jobs. They want security. And I couldn't agree with that more. And the campaign, we are going to be the best administration for women's issues in this country. Okay. So you're still doing that job where you interview people and you're, you know, speaking truth to power. You interview people. Yes.

But can you? Yeah. But it seems like another. universe where Donald Trump would say or tweet something sexist and it would be a big story like it almost seems like that couldn't happen anymore do you think it could yeah I mean it's like I look at that I want to actually now go back and like look at the full interview I'm sure I did I will say I was that did that become the full interview No. The clip I grabbed from Media Matters was more than four minutes long. I did cut out

Stephen Miller's responses where he goes to talk about super- No, no, I'm not criticizing you at all. I'm- because this actually speaks to the answer. I somewhat see that on my part is I could and should have done better because let's say Stephen Miller who I've known since he was an aide to Jeff Sessions on Capitol Hill or anybody take Stephen Miller's names out of it

but I will say this that when you let it become one answer the question answer the question answer the question trying to get this one question to get to what is the obvious answer which is this is second

exist, but I'm not going to get in the way of my boss. If he had said that in the first answer, I would have moved on, right? But he didn't. Then I spent, what, three minutes saying, see reality, see reality, see reality, without, and I didn't talk about anything else. So maybe something else came in. And that I now approach it differently with a lot of people. And you will see that.

And now I just say like, you're wrong. It's wrong. You are saying, you're saying you're not answering. And so I'm going to go do this. And that's kind of a lesson. But I do think there's value though, right, in doing that, in making this guy, and we all know him very, very well now, making this guy have to continue to spin around it and get off of the fact that he's, that, uh, that the candidate for the president of the United

States was like, well, my opponent's wife is ugly or my opponent's wife is uglier than my wife who is hot, which is, as you pointed out to him offensive on multiple levels, I do think there's value in like making that the interview. The same way I think, uh, uh, Terry Moran on ABC News, once Trump said, no, MS-13's on his knuckles, should have dropped everything. in my opinion and just stuck with that. But he said, no, we got to move on to Ukraine. Let me add one more into this. I also could say that you just stop the interview.

Like, I've kind of moved to, this is one of the lessons for on Donald Trump. When he says two weeks or he says something else, I say this is the Donald Trump version of saying no comment. And this is the version of saying. So it is, you're not answering the question. And you can just, and I, you can just end it. Like, that would, that is the better. I've now started, I have done that with members of Congress. And just stating, like, you are not answering the question that I asked, and that is your choice.

Because in the universe that we work in, right, I've got, that show was, that show was one hour. This show is three hours. But still, that sounds like a million years, right, to a lot of people. But I still, you time a show. show to seconds. So I could use that time to talk about something else. A different, talk about fact, like it's fact checked. Stephen Miller is not going to state the reality that that is sexist and that is wrong and he's saying it to a woman who has faced all of those things. Okay. Save the time. Grab it back and go do a story on, I don't know,

a Chuck E. Cheese, literally the mascot was arrested in a parking lot who was the story I did today and there's body cam video of it and a bunch of kids had to watch Chuckie Cheese get a whole lot of Chuck E's cheese. Like literally that's a better use of time.

Is that an ICE arrest? Just the normal police or yeah. You're quick, dude. No, it was bank fraud. It was credit fraud. Oh, okay. Oh, Chuckie Cheese did bank fraud. Yeah, he had to get that cheese. I thought there was a Chuckie Cheese that got hauled away by ice in front of kids, but that might be one of my, you know.

I will, potentially, right? In the universal possibility, potentially. But no, this Chucky cheese stole someone's credit card, allegedly, and he's out on bond right now. So, but, like, I use that as the extreme example of, like, take back the time. What does Senator say? I heard everyone saying it today. Like, I reserve my time. Can I have my time back?

Take back the time. He's not going to answer the question. We've talked before about some particular people that. are on a lot of these shows and debates and stuff on CNN. Scott Jennings is a new face on the scene. And you actually done this sort of thing before with him. There's like there's a clip where he's being, I would say, dishonest and smug about his dishonesty.

And you sort of stop him and like, we're going to move on. Zip it. Stop talking is what you tell him to do. And then you move on. It does seem very effective in certain cases. this is actually a two-part question. So my first question is

stuff like that for certain people sometimes very satisfying and next time could you just tell them to shut the fuck up, please. But my real question...

I am going to text Scott Jennings at right now. Please do. I have known Scott I have known Scott for a very long time. So you will... Well, we're not going to, you know, we've got our opinions of people.

Yeah, I mean, lots of people want to tell me to shut the fuck up too. Oh, sure, sure, sure. Keep asking the question. Part one is, Is it, is it satisfying? Part two is. At what point do situations like this sort of lead you to like, well, why even bother with

this person? Like Stephen Miller is, you know, on the show. He's in the administration stuff. But like if someone is regularly, at what point is like, well, why are we doing this even? If you're, what are we doing here? What are we doing here? A little bit of it is sometimes you got to have people on, right? Like, you can't, you can say like, if you literally are Peter Navarro and you are in charge

of trade, no matter what, whatever Peter Navarro said in my last interview, like, you still bring them on because they are in this position. A political commentator is very different. I would also argue a member of Congress is different. Here's the example. The zip it and the stop talking, I will say, is literally never planned. Sometimes there is a version of Kate that just happens and comes out with like we have to all have it's our you guys have filters you're thinking something right now and you're not saying it to me what you think about me so we all filters that it's a podcast we just go there's never any blowback or what i don't know what you're there's no filters um we all have filters and it's my job to like distill and let people speak

but sometimes it has ended that is actually the probably now that we're putting this all to in a funny way, the growth from 2016 till now. It's just like take back the time. And you also have a choice to not have people on again. So there are, there have been, as you guys are looking at finding fun, find the old stuff that I've done or made news on, there are people that if they do not respect people or they, very, or they, and it's not about my feelings, it's about, does their opinion matter? Okay. And I won't have them on anymore. Or, I mean, I would prefer to not have some people on just to, like, let's

have this person on to opine on news of day, right? Those people don't get that invitation because why if you've truly come on and like there have there's a couple names of people that have just literally been like you are stupid person on television yeah and I may be a stupid person but I'm a stupid person with the television show so you know don't come on don't come on stupid people's TV shows um and So that is, that's the difference. Sort of on that point, because you, like, you went to school for journalism. Like, you went to college for, like, journalism and political science.

And I think, like, right out of college, you, like, worked at, like, local stations and we're doing producing and, and, like, being, like, doing what I think 20, 30 years ago we would say is, like, that's what you do if you want to be a journalist. That's not really the case anymore. Do you, how, like, do you find it? because you are very, you know, straightforward and you just say the things. And that doesn't, that's very rare, uh, uh, these days, uh, increasingly. Um, do you find it frustrating and like where you're like, maybe some, not saying, talk about your colleagues, but some people in your industry is like, well, you didn't, you didn't even learn like the ethics of journalism. You're, you're a personality. There's so many personalities who, you know, there's the independent media. There's a lot of personalities. And they've been bubbling up and. seeping into these more like, quote, unquote, serious institutions of news and journalism. And what's that like? Do you, is that like, you know, is that, does, is that a consideration that people make in calling people on or, or hiring people or like this ecosystem where you did all the things

to be a journalist? And then you have people now who are like, well, I, I was a lawyer, but now I just like, I just, I got so many opinions and I want to share them. So now I'm a news person, you know? The great part is, is there's room for everybody. There's room for everyone. You guys get to decide if you think it is a good thing that I, I'm not left.

I'm not right. You can, everyone can think what they want to me. I'm not, I come from a Republican state. I live in a liberal city. I, you know, whatever, you can, and that I decidedly try to give people information and try to not be the news. You get to decide if you like it, if you don't and if you think it is, you know, I don't know, career security or career sabotage, whatever. I don't want to be clickbait. I don't want to be clickbait. I don't, and I'm, and I, I actually, yeah, I don't, I don't

want to be clickbait I don't I I respect work and I don't want to I but there are a lot more people who are going to know a lot more other names you're going to say Cape ball and I'm going to be like what and is like a thing in the world you say CNN everyone has like an idea of what that is the president has a name for the network you're on right your fake news CNN you go on on TV every morning and you're like the big guy could be watching and he has he ever gone after you specifically what's the thought process of like I'm doing my job and I could become the story at any minute if some guy feels like it there's fun theories actually um that you know I'm cute and so he's going to watch and that's why people when they were auditioned

for to be to try to be his next VP that's why they wanted to come on my show did you get a lot of did you get a lot of potential VP's in that period I do I did a lot of people actually requesting you know there are three of us requesting to be on with me got that yeah I got that that that that uh Fox News vibe uh I'm sure yeah feel you not do not see that back there that's I mean that's is all about it's all about yeah It actually says a lot about Fox News. It's a joke from an SNL cold open from the 2016 that is like the embodiment of all. Anyway, I get, no, I do not think about that every day that I get up and I could be the news because, okay, fine.

Like, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine. Like, it's, it, it, it, fine. Some people try to, some people try to piss off Donald Trump so they can be the news. so he will say something. It is like a career boost for if he tweets about them. Right. And I think that's the thing that like gets to me is there are people. It should get to you.

Well, right. Like, because it's not a game. The big criticism of the media right now is like they're not meeting this moment. This is a particular moment. Who knows what things are going to be like in a just a few years. 60 minutes had to pay or CBS News had to pay money or chose to pay money to try and get a merger. done and now CBS news is going to be run by Barry Weiss from the free press. Like, it feels like this is a huge moment and that the, and I'm not putting this on you,

but it feels like the New York Times of the world, the CNNs of the world, the NBC newses of the world are collectively not. And I don't know what I wanted them to do, scream louder. I was literally going to be like, what do you want? What do you want? No, and I'm sympathetic. I'm not, I am not taking this personally, and I will tell you, I will tell you a story in a second. But I want to know what would make you feel better?

For print media, it would make me feel better. And I know, and this is always nitpicky stuff and people pick apart headlines that the word lie is used, that something that the president is not constitutionally allowed to do in the lead, right? the president again lied that he won the 2020 election as an example the what did he say he was going to do the other day I can't even get rid of windmills for the whales or something but stuff like that the windmills things feels I know I know secondary but like he'll say or like the president failed to list a legal justification for blowing up a boat of 11 people in the middle of the ocean that may or may not have drugs on it.

Like it feels like a framing issue and it feels a lot of times as if it's like, well, half the people watching probably like that he did that. So let's try and cover it that way even if, again, there's no legal justification for it or let's not get sued by him because he didn't like the way this segment was edited

or, and I'm not saying Zazlav's calling you and telling you be nice to Trump but it does feel like there's this, we're going to just keep this balancing act going until such time as it's illegal to criticize him or whatever it is. Look, I mean, one, as I mean, this is, I'm going to answer the question,

but I will also say, like, when something's that far above Montpeg grade, like I can't opine on CBS on ABC. I can't. Like, you know, like I can say, do I like journalists being targeted? No. do I like networks being sued no um do I think people have probably adjusted what

they're doing because of it yes um what so what does that mean for me what that means for me is um I just I have the I am honored by this actually uh there are classes within I'm sure every network does it but there There's, like, a course you can take by our awesome legal counsel about media law and, like, how to get it right. This was way before all of this started. Like, and something that I, a segment that I did, is used as an example where it was, again, during 2016, someone, two people were on and one made an accusation, completely insane accusation, like, conspiracy theory, but speaking about, like, sexual things about the other person who was on the show, on the segment. And I, in that moment, going through my head was not, oh, my God, we're going to get sued.

I just said, like, stop. We don't even have the reporting on that. Like, bring your facts or don't. And that's it. It's like, and just I don't get, I try my damnedest to not get. over my skis ahead of my skis and if you don't know just say you don't know and like you know and give attribution because that's also what we're supposed to be doing anyway so that that's how i do it i do not wake up and think i don't want to get sued today maybe i should but i don't but i will say

the way even the word mainstream media bothers me so much because it is this like it's like a curse word and a pejorative

and it's like all this bad stuff when what does it mean like it's all media is media journalists are journalists networks are networks and it has become and the rhetoric around it and it did yes

It started before, obviously, because I remember it's been called the Clinton News Network for a long, you know, before Donald Trump came about. But obviously, it was put on steroids with how Trump talked about it. And that is the thing that, that became a real problem. I mean, I'm not, you know, I'm me. I'm not a fire breather, as we've discussed. and I have had like risks against my children because

online problems I mean like no in real life like there are threats and gross things that people want to do to me online every day because because you're fake news CNN

because like that because in fake one I'm a woman two, I'm fake news CNN and three, you know, like I dare to wear a tank top on on television because I got, you know, I work out a lot and I've got great arms. Like, so I should be, you know,

allowed to do that? I should be raped and left in an alley or something. But problems for the safety of my, around my kits because I am a member of the fake news. So if you say it enough, it becomes,

it does become a problem. That's where I draw the line. Like forget legal. This is, and that's the thing that I actually think people need to start figuring, like, talk, remembering, because during the 16 election, I grew in Indiana. I'm one of four girls and my dad wanted a boy. So I became the boy. So I'm the, I'm, I hunt with him. I'm a duck hunter. And there are men, that I are like second fathers to me since I was, you know, seven years old and sitting in the duck blind with them. And when this, and I've, you know, the only network I've ever worked for is CNN and I've been here now for a long time. We'd still hunt. We'd still, you know, one of my dad's besties, you know, these are his name like Wild Bill and he's like my dad. 16 comes around.

One of the guys, not Wild Bill, Wild Bill's best. One of the guys won't hunt with me anymore. He won't sit in the blind with me anymore. And I don't know if you guys have ever, if you're from kind of that culture, but that's a, like, that's a big deal. It's a big deal for us, for my dad and it ended up being, like, my father was like, you got to, you guys, you have to talk to him because this is like a thing. And I asked when we were back at the, like, the hunt house, I asked him, tell me why you won't hunt with me. I mean, I knew that answer, but I was trying to break the eyes. Because you are a member of the fake news.

Because you work for the enemy and you are just lying every day. I said, have you watched me? I've never watched you. Why would I watch that network? Have you ever heard anything I've done? No. Then how can you say that as a rational, very smart human being? How can you make that argument?

You says because I can't. I said, do me a favor. Do this for my dad. Watch me next week. Watch me for a week. And then we're going to talk next time I'm up. And it broke the ice. And we hunt together again. Because it was human to human and it wasn't mainstream media, words.

It's so all the labels. Yeah, that kind of, that's very effective. But it's, but this matters today. Everything. Like, things will be better. Things will be better with Donald Trump as president, without Donald Trump as president. If people try to start talking again to each other in a way that is more authentic than, like, sometimes how I see people talk about it in the news and on TV. Yeah. Would you assess that sort of like this relationship you have, did that, you're hunting again together and that seems to be fine? has he sort of acknowledged, like, oh, maybe it's not just this one person who I know personally and have this relationship with their father and all this history that isn't lying CNN. Like, did that, because we talk a lot about sort of, you know, these different sides of the aisle and being able to maintain personal relationships and still try to like, you know, bring us all back to a collective reality in some way. and that is a big challenge for a lot of people and one thing I think that is

frustrating for some people is like oh yeah I convinced them like I'm I'm not lying CNN or whatever but that didn't necessarily click of like oh maybe maybe the president was lying to me that all of CNN is fake news like maybe because I have this personal relationship and because I did watch her for a week and now we're Cool. Maybe there's something more that I need to also realize to sort of bridge that gap. Yes to some. Yes for some. Yes for some people. Very close to me. Yes. No for others. Some people very close to me. It's you're good. You're one of the good ones on. You're one of the good ones. But you know, part of the problem with that is and it's a long, it's like it's a long term. And it's hard because the difference, there's no, like, prime time now, right?

Like, people watch on their phones when this, this is one of the questions kind of as this industry transitions is the difference between, I don't know, what do you guys, what would you label me? Like a straightforward news person, right? Like a straightforward anchor, whatever you. I think fake news, Clinton News Network. Yeah, I think that. Yeah, I think you're a member of the fake news. Yeah, right. So that versus versus.

people who come, like their show is literally about opinion, right? Their show is, I'm opinionated. Yes. And the Bill O'Reilly's of the world. You're here to see my opinion. And there's the version on CNN, and there's a version on MS. That has confused people who are not junkie, who are not news junkies, who are not, like, the avids. They don't, they're like, so if that person is throwing their opinion around all the time, and that's the point.

Then all of you guys are all throwing opinions around. Well, then I imagine they, because it's also muddy on Fox specifically, right, they still maintain we have our opinion people and we have our straight news people. But you watch the straight news stuff on Fox News and it's clearly, there's a sprinkling at the very least of opinion, if not Jesse Waters. Yeah, story selection is everything. like what what topics you talk about shows things yeah right they're not showing the rfk hearing this morning i wonder why but correct they're talking about sydney and cracker barrel or whatever still i don't know maybe can uh before we wrap up i think since we don't get this opportunity you get to talk to many more powerful people than we do can we ask you to ask some questions for us of them yes i actually love that what what what what what what what

What? That's so cool. I love that. Yes. I mean, I can't. I won't like the questions. I'm not going to tell you who I'm going to ask it or what I'm going to ask it. Because for the record, I also don't pre-approved questions, even though lots of people still ask to get questions ahead of time. Good. Good. But I always say there's, there are good questions coming from everybody.

Go. What are they? Excellent. Well, for, I mean, for starters, I think any time someone from Congress is on, I think, what you were saying. where earlier about how like you've kind of abdicated your responsibility you've blown this whole thing have them face that information and just sort of address address the that problem generally i actually really like that do i like an interview see it's about framing right like i like an i do like an interview going this was congress's responsibility why not why do you not want that responsibility more this was congress responsibility why not i that's that i like

and that's so many so many things uh especially the last you know nine months have been that where it's like but everybody's reporting that he can't do that without you saying he can why aren't you even even in this current situation where like well Republicans have Congress so they're obviously going to do whatever Trump wants them to do even though you you know shouldn't you be still be saying that like well he can't do that without our approval but obviously we're going to be little worms and let them do it anyway maybe don't call them little worms to their faces but you know that's having them Discretion. Having people answer to why when all you want is power. You don't care now about having power, even if you act. That's a very good question. You've given up your power for this other weird kind of power that you will have up until you make him angry. When you, when none of you will even talk about term limits because you want your power so much, you're really just cool of handing another one out over. Exactly. So speaking of term limits, I have a question for Ted Cruz.

if you ever get to talk to Ted Cruz again. It's a long one, and I'm sorry. I won't ask it then. Do you know the entire point is to ask as short a question as possible? You don't have to prove how smart you are. You just ask the question. Oh, I know. The question is in the preparation, basically.

Okay, so Ted Cruz. This is a podcast. We really let it breathe. Oh, yeah. I clearly need to learn. Got it. Mr. Cruz, Senator Cruz. In the middle of this year, August 2025, you introduced a constitutional amendment

imposing term limits on members of Congress in both the Senate and the House. Your statement about it reads, term limits are critical to fixing what's wrong with Washington, D.C. The founding fathers envisioned a government of citizen legislators who would serve for a few years and return home, not a government run by a small group of special interests and lifelong, permanently entrenched politicians who prey upon the brokenness of Washington

to govern in a manner that is totally unaccountable to the American people. This statement is verbatim what you said when you introduced the same amendment in 2023 before running for a third term in the Senate. You introduced the same amendment in 2021 and first introduced it in 2017 during your first term. The amendment limits House representatives to three terms and senators to two terms. The amendment also contains the text, no term beginning before the date of the ratification of this article shall be taken into account in determining eligibility for election or appointment under this article.

this means that if the amendment is somehow passed during this your third term you are allowing yourself to be a senator through 2036 for a total of about 24 years so my question if you haven't figured it out yet is do you understand how to the average person all of this makes you seem like a slimy little worm who believes in nothing if not why that's the end of the question I can email to you if you we would copy paste it I was trying to Take some notes. You can adjust the end a little bit if you feel you need to. But Scudzee instead of slimy is fine if you want to. I appreciate the ability to edit slightly. Yeah, weasel instead of worm, whatever you want to, whatever you want to. Dude, okay. One, asking why one would propose a term limit, term limits and not do it, it's totally legit.

But also, Jerry Nadler is, I had Jerry Nadler on today. to talk about why he's retiring from the House, longest serving, and one of the longest serving members in the House. And he has said in his announcement that it is because he wants to pass it along to the next generation, a new generation. And he said, he said to me

that it is watching Joe Biden convinced him it was time to start doing this. And so time to start passing it to the next generation. And so this is why he's making this decision. So age, I mean, he's also, He'd been in Congress for 34 years. 1992, that's pretty wild. And he said collectively in public office for 50 years.

So Jerry Nadler is obviously has also not been pushing a term limits. But it raises the question, how old is too old to run and hold office? And even though Jerry Nadler, 78, is retiring now, he said he wouldn't answer the question. He said, age and experience, like everyone ages differently. Like, not wrong, but this is the third oldest Congress of like all time. Still, he's like, I'm basically, I'm too old. I'm from, I'm leaving now. But I'm not going to tell anybody, I mean, there are lots of older people than him to do the same.

Like, it's because on a collective and individual level, members of Congress just like won't stick their neck out. Right. The, like, people overwhelmingly. Why is Ted Cruz doing it? Because he can put it on his, because he can put it on his website, because it's something that you hear a lot of, actually, it's a bipartisan issue, Democrats and Republicans, but it's something that you know, Republicans clearly say, term limits. And he can tweet about it.

I'm proposing term limits. And if it ever does go through, he's got his podcast that is still going on, even though it's based on the code. I believe it's still called the verdict about the first, round of impeachments um yeah so he's got a his gig so yeah but i mean term limits great question um it is actually one of the one of the things i'm asked about most by people by by uh real people not interesting people or podcast um are you guys real people are you real um i get asked most about term limits and if you're

yeah and if you're proposing an amendment that let that like is like term limits but not yet All the terms that we've we've served so far don't count in these. 100%. And I'm going to like breaking news inside information, you know, there are lawmakers who propose put out bills and do it because they're going to run. They're going to be up for re-election soon and they don't believe it. They don't believe in that bill. Of course. So, you know, that's a deep cynicism in Washington.

that yeah well it's like the uh i know i know i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm breaking your heart and in shattering your your reality right yeah it's banning banning uh congress uh people from owning stocks um and naming it the Pelosi act well you know they're not going to vote for that you're just trolling them that's not you don't actually believe in passing this um what is your next what is your next 75 part question okay uh this one's very short actually uh this is for j d vans i'm so sorry it's for jd vance are you Are you talking with J.D. Vance soon? Is that happening?

Yeah. Yes. I mean. Okay. Excellent. Great. Perfect. Okay.

So Mr. Vance, vice president, whatever you want to call him. J.D. This is the part you're still debating? I mean, just ask you. There's so many options. verbatim. Oh, yeah. You have to be like JD.

Mr. whatever. Since becoming vice president, have you made any progress on stopping people from eating other people dogs and cats in Springfield, Ohio. Do you have any plans to visit? Wait, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop right there. That, remember, that happened? Yeah, he cared about it so much. It was this bizarre lie that he wanted everyone to believe

and cared about it so much. They made an entire debate, period, about it. I haven't heard him talk about it recently or at all since then. This is one of those things when I was like, I'm on television saying what? Like, this is a new story. My first side note,

Over time, I know you guys hate me already. One of my first, when I got my, I would say my, one of my favorite jobs, which is hilarious considering the conversation right now, was being a Capitol Hill reporter for Sina. And one of my first live shots, I believe, for the network was Anthony Wiener's Underpants. Those are the days. And I sat there. You know, like, I'm no longer the weekend general assignment reporter. I have made it to Capitol Hill. And I'm sitting there prepping for a live shot going to.

Do I say underwear? Do I say underpants? And do I say penis? Do I say junk? How many synonyms are there for what I'm about to say? What did you say? What did you land on? I went between under, I think I said underwear because underpants sounded like a little baby.

Still childish. Like a baby. Yeah, it sounded like a baby. I didn't say junk. I didn't. I looked, I thought better of that. There is no AP style guide on what to do. And just kidding.

So, yeah, and I remember that was the first time, like, I am going to say so many weird things in this job. And that was one of them, eating the dogs. Yes, that is a great question. But it also speaks to full circle, drinking from the fire hose. Right. You don't want to feed into it. You don't want to help. No, I'm saying there's so much that comes at you.

That was not that long ago. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was, like, memory, hold, and, you know. And it was so important to them. It was integral to their campaign up until the election, basically. And I haven't heard him talk about it ever since, ever since. We probably say we solved it because we deported. Yeah, we deported all.

And took away the temporary protected status of Haitians. I guess I'm actually arrested all the cats and dogs. I don't want to tell the answer to this question, but. Because by the way, it's always best to ask questions that you're going to answer it to yourself. You do that a lot. Do that a lot. Well, we got to, we got to make sure you know our answer. Okay. What else? Is there more?

If you ever get the chance to talk to Trump, he'll be mad at you and you'll probably get through being very disrespectful and you're like, I just sat down. What is going on? I blinked. I just blinked. What? I would love to ask him, you said. Wait, wait, can I, can I? Can I, okay. strategy. If you are interviewing Donald Trump, would you, per a lot of our conversation that we've had for the last 795 minutes, would you stay on one question until it is answered, a la my conversation with Stephen Miller, would you ask or not? Because that may be, that's basically

your decision tree. Well, right. If you, if you ask Trump a question, you know the answer to it kind of but you also know he's not going to answer that or any question he's going to say things and it's going to weave yeah i don't know what the point is but we why ask a question when you know the answer then i think there is value in for some people in seeing in seeing it right you see here's a question that was a good question i would like the answer to that question oh he didn't answer that question he was kind of weird and evasive about it and um you know whether you push them and sort of it gets very contentious and back and forth or that's it then you have well I gave them the opportunity people heard the question and now they have that question in their mind and maybe

they can answer it maybe they can sort of think about why didn't he answer that why was it so difficult for him to ask to answer this very direct question but it is I think it depends on the question the way you just said that I think is the most important thing and that is and that's no no no no no the question of why Why is it so hard to answer this question? Right. Why are you scared to answer this question? Why do I make you so uncomfortable you don't want to answer this question?

Right. And I think, to a certain point, maybe repeating the question is like a little much, like, all right, he's not going to answer it. It can get frustrating. Well, because then you are, then you are starting, then you are going on one side of the line of click bait. Exactly. So, you know, ask it, oh, you didn't answer it. Maybe make it clear, like, so to be clear, you're not answering this question. And then moving on.

So people see, I see the question, I see him evading it. I see him confirming that he's not going to answer it next attempt. Because these are all attempts. He's never going to answer a question that isn't like, why are you so great at your job? I am great at my job. So here's my question. Why are you so great at your job? Well, that's because I am.

Just, what do they call? They call, I'm like, I'm like Ron Berger Day. I just read what's on the teleprompter. Isn't that what everyone says about me? Just got to read it. Okay, so my question for Trump is after the news conference where several Epstein accusers told their stories, you were asked about it and you called it a Democrat hoax. What's the hoax specifically?

Yeah. So this is, so this, I have one of the survivors on. today. And I asked her how that made her feel. And she actually makes me sad. She goes, I'm not a hoax. And I was like, yeah. Yeah.

Like, made me feel so bad for her, right? Like, not, and she didn't, she, and that was the thing. She was like, she doesn't need my, she doesn't need my tears, my, like, I feel so bad for you. But, like, the fact that, like, someone who's been through so much is now having to be, like, I'm not a hoax is, like, that sucks. Yeah. So, yes, that is a question that is deserved. But it's also, forget holding, forget that, forget the answer, because it's a lie. Like, just play what this woman said to me today.

That's the answer. Right. you know yeah it's horrible horrifying um well it's just and it's see that's the thing it's also real there's the politics and then they're then they're the real people which is that that is what gets so forgotten is the real people yeah i think um you know not um necessarily about this issue um which is its whole horrifying thing but i think that's also sort of what we were talking about a little earlier where all these all these issues we're talking about the i the ice raids um all the unconstitutional stuff the trump's doing uh economic stuff uh cutting medicaid and uh going on talking

about how social security is a ponzi scheme and we need to get rid of it whatever people say um all that stuff does especially in this second version of his administration it's so it so affects people's lives in real ways um that that people are feeling now and later more important that's that's the more important thing, especially at a time when it's like if every story that, if every, if every segment I do starts with Donald says the words President Trump, Donald Trump, President Trump, Donald Trump, President Trump, Donald Trump, that can become white noise in people. It doesn't matter where you, where you sit on the political spectrum, people are tuning it out because they know how they feel.

But these are the stories that matter, the actual real people. That is the news that this is what you do. This is what you do. You have real people on and ask real people questions. Right, about the real things that are happening and affecting them. And I think there's some of the frustration is like with, again, not with this sort of like, we're reporting the news, we're saying this, we're doing these interviews, but in these more free form debate type shows or like roundtable sort of discussions, it can often seem. kind of like theater like a game where like oh i get my talking point and like you're saying like people want to go viral they want to they want to get their their like clip out there um instead of just

like saying facts or like reporting information and it gets so frustrating to see because oh you're like doing your little your little smirky thing and you're making your point and you're trying to get people to listen to your podcast or whatever it is but these are real things and they are really affecting people's lives and it's i think it can be it seems sometimes where it's like okay so the camera cuts and then they're like oh good great viral thing i hope that goes uh big like it it seems and again this isn't about you but something it seems fake almost where it's like oh you're you're playing your little part and you're having your little argument and stuff then you go home these are affecting this is affecting people's lives so yes some of some of that happens

is it like is that like but not i i'm not saying i but i like i don't do that oh yeah no i'm not like I'm not, no, no, I'm not accusing me. I'm saying, like, there are just a lot of different people in this business, right? And a lot of different people in this business for different reasons. And a lot of people, like, you know, I was just crying. Like, that's because is, when you stop feeling emotion, like, when it stops being authentic, get out. And yes, I'm saying this like, altruistically, this would be every single moment. that I am doing my job, I'm having these real conversations, right? Days are different. There are lots of different days. Yeah. Lots of different days.

And in the realm of like, you know, from a political panel, which I think is what you're talking about. Yeah. Versus a conversation having it with Liz Stein. Two different things. One I would like to do a lot more of and one I would like to do a lot less of.

and we make those choices on a daily basis. Well, Kate, thank you so much for being here and giving up some of your time after you did a full morning of work. Do you have, other than watch my show, do you have anything you want to plug to our audience? No. Wouldn't that be antithetical to literally everything

we were just talking about? Now's your opportunity. But you're like on TV. Like, you don't need this. Um, watch, consume news. That's all. Consume news and check your sources because there are lots of sources that need checking. Um, and yeah, that's it.

Assign your own Pinocchio's. Exactly. And yeah, you can have short, and you can go long form or short form. You can three hours of Nutso, which would be me, or five minutes of Nutso, which is five things. So pick your poison of crazy Kate. All right, well, thank you very much. And Cody and me and Katie, who you heard at the beginning, will be back for news after ads or a two seconds from now.

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Is it anything good? I don't know. Who, who, what do you mean good? Bad, the news. It's all relative. Please. So Wednesday morning, several of Jeffrey Epstein's victims spoke at a news conference outside the Capitol to detail their abuse and ask Congress to force the release of all the Epstein files held by the DOJ and FBI. The conference was organized by representatives Thomas Massey and Roe Kana, who are behind the petition to force a House vote on getting all those Epstein files.

Democrats are like, yes, let's do it. Only four Republicans have signed on to this. It's called the Discharge Petition, Thomas Massey, Marjorie Taylor Green, Lauren Bobert, and Nancy Mace. So weird. You'd think they'd want to get all those Dems that are implicated, you know, since this is a massive Dem cover up, obviously. You'd think that the Republicans would want this.

Yeah, well, you, like, I think the Republicans, in general, do, but there's one major... I know. There's one major roadblock here. You know, this was a pretty emotional press conference. A lot of victims speaking many publicly for the first time about the abuse they endured. So Trump was not accused by anyone of sexual assault at this news conference. However, one victim said that Epstein used to brag that he was friends with Trump and had a framed photo of him.

The victims have said they would consider putting together their own. client list with details, which would be released by Massey and Green through the house if the DOJ does not release anything. And actor Anuska de Giorgio, who has previously talked about Epstein's abuse, said, quote, to be clear, the only motive for opposing this bill would be to conceal wrongdoing. So you can glean from that some things. Yeah. If you would like to. So the White House does oppose it. Interesting. How come? Huh. Well, they've got some reasons that they have put for.

Yeah, what are they trying to trot out? Well, a White House official told NBC news that any Republican who, if any Republican signs onto the discharge petition that it would be considered, quote, a very hostile act to the White House. That's wild language. That is wild language. Can't be saying that. They say one excuse is that Thomas Massey and Roecon are just attention seeking with this. so we don't want to, like, feed into that.

Another is that they care so much about victims, and this would expose the identities of victims who don't want to go public. That can't possibly be it, given everything from that man's life. Simply redact those names. Yeah, just redact those names. Don't redact the perpetrators,

redact the victims' names. I don't know if they know about redactions or, I mean, whatever, they don't give a shit about victims, but yes, they're grasping. For any reason to be against this in general. And I guess it's as good a reason as any to say, well, we don't want to give the Democrats a win. It's so stinky. I mean, that's the word.

It is. It smells. It stinks. And I genuinely, I mean, at this point, I think there are plenty of people that are outraged in theory or have been about the Epstein drama saga. But when push comes to shove, they've never been concerned about whether or not. not Donald Trump was a sexual predator, because it's always been clear. But the more they do this, the harder it is for people to ignore. And I, although if you look online, which is always the downfall, it is pretty depressing.

I genuinely, it's over. I genuinely did not expect, oh, I expected some, but the amount of people saying, well, why aren't you just saying the names right now on my. to these women, well, if you've got something to hide, this smells fishy. That's what smells fishy is that people are threatened to come forward with the information if the government officials don't do their job or if there isn't transparency. That's what seems to protect themselves maybe. Right, to protect themselves. I can't, what possibly, what possible reason could, could a victim have for feeling insecure about or terrified of releasing this information when there's such wonderful people out there such as you yeah especially especially when

it's specifically about Donald Trump like why why why would somebody not want to publicly attack Donald Trump if they don't have to why why Thomas Massey even tweeted about them compiling their own list he said they would be sued into homelessness for naming names but Marjorie Taylor green and I are willing to name names in the House of Representatives under constitutional speech or debate immunity. So he's seeming to suggest like, oh yeah, they don't feel comfortable doing that here. One, lawsuits, two, if they name Donald Trump, threats against their lives. I mean, I'm sure they're already terrified because this has seen as a, it's seen as a shot at Donald Trump, even though why is it a shot at Donald Trump? Like, Trump was out there and they

asked him about it today, because he's alive, by the way. What a bummer that was, right? He's just fine. He's normal, whatever. He's fine and normal. They asked him about it today, and he's like, well, that's just a Democrat, it's the Democrat hoax. And there's not follow-up. Like, what parts the hoax?

Do you believe that none of them are victims at all, that Jeffrey Epstein wasn't an abuser, that the whole thing is a hoax? Or is it a hoax that you did something wrong? because that's not what any of these people have said. No one's actually saying that. He has still not made clear what the hoax is. If it's one, is one perpetrator the hoax part? Is it all of them?

Is it a specific victim that is faking it? Or is it all of them? Or is it none of them? What do you mean by Democrat hoax? You're the one with the entire party and movement that has been obsessed about this for years. Are you all dupes? Is this the thing?

that you were dup by? You were dup by this hoax? Or what's going on there? I also do, I do question involving Marjorie Taylor Green in this at all. I will say, you know, good for her, I guess, for continuing on this path. It does seem like she thinks that there's clearly something wrong here and that it's bad. So that's good that she thinks it's bad. But it does seem like she doesn't want to acknowledge the possibility of Trump's involvement. And if she is the one with Massey sort of like being like, well, will release the names, I don't trust that she would see his name

and release it. I think Massey is probably more in the camp of somebody who would do that, but it makes it a little gummy. You know, that would be a way for this to go. That would be a way for this to end. Out of all the people

to defect and say, I've got the evidence that this man's a rapist and I'm out. for her to do that it would be I'm not holding my breath but that would really be something oh yeah it's one of those

it's the kind of thing like if you you're faced with it you're in private it's not even like they're doing a gotcha on TV or you're like whatever it's like no you're in private and you're reading this information you need to contend with this it would be nice if she did do that we'll see I guess not

yeah like you said not holding my breath but then you know what Nancy Mace walked out of the press conference it's very hard for her Or she was at a press conference? It was a meeting where the survivors were saying specifics of their stories and she walked out. Yeah, I don't love the way I don't like Nancy Mace, but I also don't love the way some of the reactions online were like, well, I'm like, well, no, she's been open about her sexual assault and that trauma that was fairly recent. And I think it should the real takeaway should be.

a testament to how horrific it is, that these stories, when you hear them, the specifics are monstrous. Yes. You're playing politics and then something confronts you and it's bigger than that. Right. And that's sort of, yeah, what we're seeing. And I don't, you know, I don't know what will happen. It's hard to hear and you're going through like your trauma and your experiences stuff. And again, it's that like when you're faced with that, you've been doing, like you're saying, you've been doing play acting this whole time. And so many people have hitched their ride to the Trump train for all these different

kinds of reasons. But the Trump train is heading towards everybody. And some, some people can get out of the way. Some people can realize like, oh my God, this train is horrible. I need to get off. And it's, yeah, just a matter of if, is that going to happen or not?

So we'll see, I guess. I question I question Donald Trump's honesty regarding this, I guess. What? That's shocking. That can get you deported, Cody. Look, I'm in front of the background.

I got to be fair, balanced, straightforward. Question what? He seems like he has something to hide, maybe. I don't know. Only this, though. Only this. Only about this. This is the only.

thing. Otherwise. I don't know that that that men's wear guy on Twitter pointed out that his suit jacket. His arms a little weird. I don't know what that's all. And you know what? He's right. It is looking weird. But also photos are weird. I mean, it looks like his arm has been like deflated. Yeah. It does. It does. For a second there I thought, I'm like, well, what would the McCansick was this be? Well, right. His arm is hidden and there's a fake arm. And I was like, well, his hand seems to be cut out of the shot. So people were like, what are you implying? And he's like, what are you implying and he's like, I'm not implying anything.

It's just that sleeves don't really fall that way. And maybe he is into plying anything, but if he is, I don't know what it's implying. That it's like a inflatable arm. He's like Judge Doom under there and he just needs to pump himself up. And if it was a fake arm, why would he make the fake arm still have the weird discoloration on the same hand? It's not checking out. Anyway, we should get to some other news.

I mean, they're getting rid of vaccines in Florida. Vaccine mandates in Florida. to be clear. Everyone's celebrating. What did they say liberation from the slavery? What was the quote? Tyranny. It's medical tyranny. No, Surgeon General, Florida Surgeon General Joseph Latipo said the state's moving to end all vaccine requirements in the state completely.

He said every last one of them is wrong and drips with disdain and slavery. I was right. So if this goes through, it means to take through. I don't think that Florida understands the definition. of slavery. I don't think they do either. What a wild situation. Well, you're a slave to not having pertussis, I suppose.

If it's your choice to get pertussis, you are enslaved with the not having of it. We need the freedom to get polio and measles. Come on, folks. No, this is bad. It is bad. We make jokes around here. But you just, I mean, you talk to anyone of us, but talk to your elders. Or people that have lived through times and have experienced what life was like without the polio vaccine, et cetera.

This is too wild to come up with a word to describe it. Go ahead, Cody. Yeah. No, it's just terrible. And it's one of those things. This is just how it happens. Like they meant the COVID vaccine, MRI, vaccines. But now it's just all vaccines. And it happened so quickly. They went from this

terrible tyrannical COVID vaccine that Donald Trump helped make. And now it's just get rid of all of them. It is very terrible and terrifying. This is another one of those things where 15 years ago, we laughed at the anti-vax crowd. I mean, maybe that was our fatal flaw. We still do. We still do. But I mean, it felt unthinkable in the way that you would laugh at the flat Earthers. I was going to say it's like if Texas was like, no, the Earth is flat officially. We officially recognize the Earth. It is literally like that. But it's so much more dangerous than that. Exactly. Exactly. Because if somebody wants to test that, they'll just keep walking and they won't fall off the side of the planet. Cody, what is Rob Schneider's tweet? Rob Schneider. Rob Schneider. Also before, it is also interesting timing, considering that in just a couple of weeks. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is going to release his report that he's been preparing or

studying for months about how spoilers. Vaccines cause autism is what the report is going to say. So it is not lost on me that this announcement was made in the month that they are going to release a bunch of misinformation about vaccines so that other states do this as well. Speaking of other states, Rob Schneider tweeted out, I have prayed to God. for this medical tyranny to please come to an end and in Florida my prayers have been answered it's so funny to me that a guy from Arizona is praying to God and God's like okay in Florida and he's like my prayer has been answered what a beautiful what a beautiful tweet wouldn't you just pray for no diseases to exist I mean that would be a better prayer be it for me to say how

prayers should or do work I I don't I leave that to other people. I don't want any part of it. But if you're praying for something, to me, just go, like, let's get rid of the base problem, right? Yeah, let's think bigger. No more diseases. Well, because you got one-fifteenth of what you wanted, no vaccine mandates in one state. So if you can get one-fifteenth of no more diseases, that's really, really good.

But no, that's why this is such a big thing, is that all 50 states and D.C. have vaccine requirements for kids to go to public school, all of them. So Florida is going to be the first, and they're going to say no D-TAP or T-DAP, MMR, polio, chicken pox, unless you show that your kid had chicken box already. Like the measles thing is, I guess, what we would see first. It'll probably, we're already seeing outbreaks, but if this goes through and then four or five years goes by and the vaccine coverage is down to like 85, 83% in Florida, and Disney World is there, I think we're going to. see some like measles outbreak like it's going to be really bad and kids are going to die and then you would think like okay well then that's that's awful some kids will die but then at least they'll see the error of their ways and go back but we just had a COVID where it's clear that

the vaccine people did way better than the non-vaccine people and it didn't matter so I think I think they're going to have a huge stomach for the death of children and it breaks my heart uh that is definitely a possibility i do have a weird hope i don't know uh what this feeling is but i feel like some of the i've seen somebody else point this out before if covid presented itself as more of a physical disease like oh you get pox or you get like there's something physical that happens to you that isn't just like oh internally i feel bad i i'm coughing or whatever i had covid it fucking sucks. It's like the word, it's, it's so bad. But if you can't just dismiss it as a cold or something. Right. It was easily dismissed. It's like, oh, it's like the flu. It's like this,

it's like this, but if it's literally like, no, we can see it. We see this effect. It is, it has like, you know, the, the human, like, the sort of repulsive reaction to things and that sort of like disgust trigger that a lot of these people have and operate their politics entirely from. I feel like that might be something that is actually effective to them where they see like, Oh, no, these kids are getting, like, I can see it instead of like, ah, it's a cold. I can't ignore it. I don't know if that will happen. Obviously, they're like locked into this and it's going to be a long time.

And like you're saying, even if they do come around, people and kids will die. And that is terrible and horrifying. They don't care so much about kids dying. They care about kids being born before they die. But we bring up Disney World, Jonathan, or stuff like that. I do think another way that people. people might slowly change their mind is seeing economic fallout of some sort of, well, there keeps being measles outbreak, so people aren't going to Disney World as much, you know, things like that.

But I think that that would take a long time. It's going to all take a long time. And the death touches the money. Right now, a lot of kids are vaccinated. So you start to see their ramifications of this down the line. Years. But measles is one of those things. There was an article a few months back about one of these outbreaks and some of the people.

people who had been vaccinated that got it still just because, you know, there's breakthroughs and you do much better and you survive. But it's still like people who've had it and get over it say you're not prepared for how bad it is. It's the measles. Like you're not like we made a vaccine for this horrible thing for a reason. And there's a reason we don't go ape shit making a vaccine for the common cold because you get over it and it sucks and whatever. But like this is not that. In response to this, West Coast, how's the West Coast doing with vaccines? I'm leading you to what I know you're going to talk about. Well, there are three West Coast states, the only three, California, Oregon and Washington. They are forming their own health alliance. They're calling it

to review scientific data and make vaccine recommendations, basically their own CDC to be like, you don't trust the real CDC anymore because it's RFK's like little playhouse. Do this. I mean, I know Illinois Pritzker says he's going to try to like get COVID vaccines just for the state like it does seem as long as they're allowed to you know without interference states are kind of on their own to do this so you know the West Coast Health Alliance is everything feels like he's running for president but I mean that's good that they're trying to do something is so depressing though like the balkanization of our institutions it was like God which reality do you want to live in something it's something but it's something

it's just like a symptom of you I think down the line I'm like well okay I don't know but it's something it's something for now in this moment in time

especially now that Trump knows he can make the Epstein thing go away that people will stick with him through whatever

you'd think he'd be like I don't want my signature achievement Operation Warp Speed to get shit on my daughter's coming to me and saying like what are you doing with this RFK or whatever that he could

get rid of him and say folks the vaccine's great we like vaccines folks they would change on a time I don't know there's a lot of people that really like RFK I mean it's just if Trump did it I think they'd for like two months and said knock this stuff off vaccines are great

what are you talking about they save lives they do this he's in too deep Can he do a good thing once in a while? He did, and now we're getting ready. Exactly. And of course he did. Fauci came up to him. He's like, well, if we really, you know, put the pedal down and allocate resources here, we

could maybe, you know, usually it's like 18 months minimum. Maybe we could get a vaccine in like nine, ten months. And he's like, do it. I'm going to be a hero for this. Yeah. And then they were like, yes. And then they did it. And now I think the CEO of Pfizer, because the CEO of Pfizer is like, don't mess with us, man,

is saying Trump should have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize for the vaccine. For the thing, exactly. Fine. If we give you the Nobel Peace Prize for the COVID vaccine, can we have it then? Or would he have to reject it? Like, well, I want it for all my good stuff that I did, not this evil thing that like. For the 16 wars I stopped or whatever. Exactly, yeah.

For stopping the Ukraine-Russia war on day one, like I said, I would. September 3rd, by the way. He's throwing darts at a map and being like, stopped one there. Yeah, exactly. Angola, they were going on each other. The Angolans, they didn't like it. Getting into heaven. Getting into heaven over there, getting in heaven for that.

All right. Okay, that's it. Hope you guys enjoyed that excellent interview and this chit-chat-a-thon. And have a good weekend. And we love you very much. Butch.