Some More News - Even More News: Are These A.I. Nerds Going To Get Us All Killed?

Episode Date: September 15, 2026

Hi. On today’s episode of Even More News, Katy, Cody, and Jonathan talk about the doomsday predictions from AI leadership, what might be behind them, and how politicians are reacting. Plus, Trump demonstrates how to be properly revenant on 9/11.PATREON: https://patreon.com/somemorenewsMERCH: https://shop.somemorenews.comYOUTUBE MEMBERSHIP: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvlj0IzjSnNoduQF0l3VGng/join#AISafety #SamAltman #OpenAI #Anthropic #AIRegulation #EvenMoreNewsChapters:0:00 - Introduction/A.I. Doom10:57 - Why Do The A.I. CEOs Really Want To Slow Down?21:01 - The War Is Getting Worse!25:44 - Made Up 9/11 ControversiesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hi, hello and welcome back to even more news. The first, the only news podcast. Katie's my name. It is, Katie. It is Cody, is what I would say if you asked me what my name was. Jonathan's also here. Hi, is my game. What's on tap, gentlemen?

Jonathan can barely contain himself. It's all that news. He's getting out all the news. It's getting stuck in his throat, and we got to get it out. I was down with the news all last week, and so you know how the news lingers in your head and face? And kind of like right here. Yeah, right here. You've got to let it linger.

And right here for anywhere between three days and eight weeks, you know. If you're lucky. Speaking of three days to eight weeks, that might be how long we all have to live if the AI people are accurate. I'm exaggerating a little bit. But that's the big story over the last few days. That there have been some employees at Anthropic and Google and Open AI kind of ringing the alarm bell saying this is going way too fast. If AI can take control of our systems, who knows what they can do, we can't even predict how they might destroy us. Lots to talk about.

There's the hugging face incident where a bunch of AI, agents got together like in a little chat room and started figuring things out on their own and hacking into things without people knowing. The idea is there are these real catastrophic predictions of it can, it's going to develop a new bio weapon and release it with robot hands, I guess. Like, I don't know how that. Tell it not to do that. Right.

Yeah, there's, there are things where like all these guys and here's the difficulty that I'm having with this is that I don't trust any of these people. because why would we? Well, I don't know, Dario Amade looks like Matthew Reese and it's undeniable. That doesn't help me personally. It does make him look more. Unfortunately, it works on me.

Oh, you shouldn't let it work on you. I'm not saying I trust him, but I have to fight it in my bones. Yeah. But, you know, they're always these like sort of doom and gloom like, oh my God, I can end the world and this and this. But they don't really explain how there aren't really like, well, if this happens and this happens, then it'll do this specific thing that will end the world.

This is sort of like all this vague doom and gloom. Which is part of the reason it's hard to take those seriously or at face value anyway. Because it feels to me that AI absolutely can usher in the end of humanity, but not in the way that they're trying to suggest that this superintelligence is so far superior that it will take over everything. Because as it stands right now, it seems to me that this is an extremely dangerous tool. And what is the end game of AI? What is the goal here? If we get to a point where people can just make their own AI agents, which I guess people can do, but if that's super common,

is it out of control, is it hard to regulate what happens with these tools? And the agents can be making their own agents and so on and so forth. You know, we have had Edzotron on the show a bunch. We're all skeptical that AI can do a lot of the things that they say it can. But it can, but it can undeniably code some, you know, in ways it's good at math. It's good at math. It can, it has hacked things that it, that no one told it to hack or that wasn't part of the hacking, uh, a framework that they were given. And so the idea that a bunch of AI agents could take a prompt and think that that means, oh, well, we should go into all the banks, hack all the banks and delete all the money.

like theoretically that seems possible. Hacking into the nukes or creating a crazy bio weapon that it releases. I don't think that is really imminent or makes a lot of sense. But the people who work on this stuff, I think it's fair to be like this stuff could get into our systems or they're already in a secret chat room talking. They're not talking or thinking, but they're just prompting each other back and forth.

Yeah, in the forum they made. Right. There are these scenarios that are dangerous. It's the kind of thing like this, none of it, this sort of like, well, hey, I can get a little, a little tricky, a little dangerous. That's not like news. And so that's part of my reaction when you have all these guys for years being like, we're going to create and enslave God in a box. And then suddenly to be like, oh, it's a little dangerous. Maybe we should slow down this God slave box that we're trying to create. It's just like, why now? Why suddenly do you, like, see that this is maybe a problem? That makes me think that there's something else going on and that maybe, like, they're out of money. And they, like, there's all this stuff that is possible. Yeah.

So to set that up over the weekend, Dario Amode of Anthropic and then Sam Altman and Elon Musk agreed with him, they're like, we need to like kind of pump the brakes a little bit and slow this down, pace the frontier, as they call it. Some people say, yes, they see the dangers. They see that everything's about to run off a cliff, and they all have to agree to slow down, right? Because one of them needs, they all want to win the AI race. And so they all have to agree to slow down

or something horrible going to happen. But right, there could be many other reasons. They could all recognize we're about to run out of money, and this can help us delay the IPO. This could help us start the beginning of government regulations, which we the leaders would be able to absorb, but all the small startups wouldn't, and so that could benefit us, right?

And sort of abdicate their responsibility. If the government's more involved, then they can sort of be like more hands off. Like, well, we're, you know, we're an industry is regulated by the government. So this isn't our fault and stuff like that. Yeah. And it's also an attempt to, yes,

consolidate the power around these three big companies to help regulate and form the future of AI. Again, I mean, I keep getting stuck on just the end game of AI, this leveling of the playing field, so to speak, so that everybody has access to this technology ultimately would mean the end of their own companies, would it not, at some point to some degree? Like, there's also that, like, just regulating it things in such a way so that they contain, you know, absorb all the power. And what's interesting is that it doesn't seem as though very many people believe the talking point that they're putting out, you know, that this is so dangerous and it's out of control and hard to contain. Most people believe that this is just them putting on a really good show to distract from some God knows what realities. Yeah, they haven't garnered a whole lot of trust from the,

public. You know, it's hard to take the percentage predictions because there's one guy who's like 70% chance were all wiped out in three years. And it's like, okay. But then this Jacob Coxon, the guy who left Anthropic and it's like the anthropic whistleblower is like a 10% chance of like humanity will be wiped out somehow by AI by the end of the decade. Like I don't know. If I thought that was the case, even 10%, I'd be behaving. differently. But, like, these people who are in it means, one, they know more of what's going on internally than we do, but also their brains are being more cooked by it. And so it's this weird soup where you're like, okay, I believe that you believe that this is even potentially imminent,

but I don't know if you're really thinking clearly given. Right. If the reality you're, yeah. You do believe that they believe that. I think that many of them do, it seems. I think Dario Amade and Sam Altman. I kind of believe that this thing both has the potential to, like, cure cancer within the next few years. That's what Dario says. Yeah. And so you'd think, well, if it can develop a cure for cancer, it could ignore you and develop something else. Now, again, if it develops some sort of super virus, it would need to control robot hands to release it or... I agree with all of that.

And yes, AI can is a tool that can be used to cure cancer and also a tool to... cause huge widespread destruction. I think for me the question is the autonomy. How autonomous are these programs versus just the very real danger of what this technology can do in people's hands and an average person's hands, in a government's hands, in anybody's hands. And that is worth grappling with. but the suggestion is also that these are autonomous, that they were creating the superintelligence that will bring about our destruction in favor of the robots.

That is the way it plays, you know. But the danger, but to me the very real danger is not that. It's just the super intelligence that can be used to, yes, bomb a children's school in Iran. That's the other thing is that it already is being used this way, you know yeah i mean the the the i didn't decide to bomb the school are uh humans are humans who run the department of war with faulty intelligence did that like when you were talking like you know like yeah i can make a virus but it needs the hands to like this is what i mean well if a human

being was in charge of that i i to tell to do that and then it made it then that's what i mean those are the hands you know these and like they're just two different conversations to me and they're both like one is maybe fantastical fantastical is that the word fantastic it is fantastic it is fantastical. It just sounded weird coming out of my mouth. And the other one is very real. But it seems as though they're warning about this other version versus this. It just helps them if they can get everyone to agree.

And I guess this includes China, which we can get into. But like, yeah, everyone does have to slow down because Anthropics, like if we just slow down an open AI, they could win the AI race and leave us behind. and the capitalism competition thing it might be more important than saving humanity if in fact you believe that. Big companies are like, you should regulate us now. We should, and yeah, sure, that'll consolidate us as like the big three or four,

but you should regulate us now. And so here's the president of the United States' response to that. This morning on Truth Social, the only control or guardrails that AI needs is a strong and strong, smart high IQ president and the USA has that in spades i guess we shouldn't be worried if he's not worried because we've got a high IQ president and there's a few different reasons he might be saying that one his brain is whatever he doesn't want to listen to what anyone else wants to say two he could legitimately be worried that we'll lose to china if we slow down or i kind of think

he's like saying, why would we have Congress put together some sort of regulatory bureaucracy when I, Donald Trump, can just say what we do? That seems like most of it. It's that he just like, but I'm the president. I can just stop the bad thing if I need to stop the bad thing. And Congress is useless unless they're a tool of me. Well, Congress doesn't seem to want to regulate. Or Mike Johnson certainly doesn't think that he should be in charge of regulating, it seems.

Because of the China reason. I mean, they also seem incapable of doing anything for people, so it doesn't seem likely. I would say there's probably some financial interests as well at play here as to why you wouldn't want to regulate it. Donald Trump? Of the Trump's? Of the Trump family? Yeah, yeah, of that one. I mean, they're hard press for money.

News broke this morning that Jr. had his wedding paid for by a Russian oligarch. So, you know, obviously they're struggling for cash. And I think that you wouldn't be well served to have a little bit of empathy. I think we should watch Donald Trump be asked about AI. Because it's very funny. This is very much like a, like, well, we need to be the leaders of this thing and this can do anything. But like, he's an 80-year-old guy who knows less than most 80-year-olds about anything.

He doesn't know that half of the videos he's posted of Obama getting arrested are AI. And the other half are also AI. He has no idea. He thinks he arrested Obama. Like, this is... This week, again, there's been so much concern about AI. Have you heard directly from any of these AI tech leaders? And you seem to downplay some of the concerns that we've heard.

But it's going to be more good than bad, but by a lot. And I've said it from the beginning. Whoever wins AI, and we're leading by a lot. Whoever wins AI wins. Have you ever used it yourself or have you been... How do you use it yourself? use AI. But I would say, you know, for the most, but you can use AI for a lot of things.

Man, he just did not answer that question. He doesn't know what he's used it for. I use it for a lot of things. It reminds me of the father of the bride, like four hours after the party has started. He's like unbuttoned. He's just like, like, I want him. I'm ready to go home. You know, I got for my daughter.

I got to be here for the. He absolutely looks like that. I'm waiting for my diet cooking candy. This framing also, and I get it. We live in this fucking. world that we live in. But there's certain things of this magnitude.

I consider space also to be a thing of this magnitude of which I don't think the framing of one company is going to win or one country is going to win is helpful at all. I think that this in a better world.

It seems antithetical to the whole idea of like this pro-humanity endeavor. It's actually like if if, because if it's not the pro-humanity endeavor, then it's bullshit. and it's nothing and we should be done with it, right? If we're not focusing on curing cancer, on fixing climate change,

whatever, improving life for everybody, then what is the fucking point and why is it have to be framed as a win-lose? And I know that that's not just us talking about it that way, or just Donald Trump, but yeah, I would consider a space, that same bucket, a space race to be the first, to colonize it,

win it. Don't win. We're in this together. Yeah. Allegedly. Can we just get rid of borders, at least in this conversation? Can we at least use this as a tool to think about humanity as humanity? No. Yeah, guys, I don't know. I don't want any of this. And I resent that this is the conversation. I mean, the curing cancer sounds great. Yeah, I want that. And I don't know, right? Like, I'm down on the stuff because I don't like that people think they can use it to write stuff that they send to me and then I'm like this is clearly written with the thing like I'm very angry but like

could it figure out the the different kinds of ways the cancer cells could be maybe great there are like you know there are like laws of the of reality that we perceive and are governed by and it's a lot less subjective than like what you're talking about I was like well yeah like writing in this sort of like the insoled nature of humanity it can't do those things and that's what has been forward facing for so many of these companies for so long and so it's so off-putting but it can do math relatively well and all these sort of things and I just think so much of the PR and the like the product and like the entire culture has been so odious and off-putting that now they're here and it's it's just unclear like what they want to actually do

or what their plan is or where this is actually coming from. Because again, this isn't like a new danger that like nobody's ever thought up before. It's just right now they're like, oh, wait, we got to put some extra wrapping around this godbox we made. Another element of this conversation is just the very real possibility that this is a cover up for the fact that AI is nowhere near what they've, promised and before going public and facing more scrutiny into their financials, which is also a very terrifying thing to grapple with considering how deep more economy is like in at this point. And that and that is another very big fear and a very real thing to consider as a possibility here. Although I will say that China coming along and having their version of the message makes

me think it is more about the fact that they don't know how to control it and they want to consolidate power in a certain way. Yeah, there's so many interpretations I think are very valid again because so much of what has already been said and what they've been saying and how they've been behaving and even like Vance today being like, I don't know, suddenly they're like asking about regulation and like that sounds like a Trojan horse to me. Then that gives me pause too. It's like, well, why do you, why are you talking like that? Because everyone's got there. angles. I know.

Yeah. It's just, what they're trying to get out of it. Well, it's brought Bernie and Bannon together. Thumbs down.

Pick anybody else, man. Pick anybody else. Literally why, Steve Bannon? Get out of it. Why? It's unnecessary. Even if you're looking

for a right wing figure to like, or like a conservative figure to get on board with this, there are people who are better than Steve Bannon. And also it's just like

this old guy, sort of like approach to it like I don't like I don't know a lot about this I there are obviously so many more people who are so better versed in the AI of it all and I'll tell you who can't probably deal with this effectively are like 80 plus year olds that also is like how like how are we what are you going to do um Trump talking about it there it reminded me a lot of Ed Markey uh did a debate recently and like he's great on a lot of things and like no shade whatever

but he was asked about AI he's like well how do you use AI? It's like oh whatever's on my iPad Okay They don't know what they're talking about Okay They don't know what they're talking about They don't understand

Or they're too lazy or too old To try to understand Just put Lena Con in charge Just have her do it It's just it's it is wild to see our geriatric ruling class completely miss the football

ball like have a you just they have no idea they have no idea what they're talking about when they're trying to broach this and it's so lazy um and terrifying it absolutely adds to the terror because who's in charge here who knows how to talk about it bernie is a pretty sharp 80 plus year old man yes he is yes he's got the profile the political high profile cachet whatever to be able to bring the conversation for it although he has been trying for a while, him and AOC also introduced legislation over the summer to try to slow things down, to try to regulate, and nothing happened from it. Nobody pays attention. So maybe the fact that he's doing this with Steve Bannon actually gets people to pay attention. I don't know. I don't like it either. I don't like any of it except for maybe the potential to cure cancer, but hurry up with that part, please. Yeah, get it chop chop. I mean, can I just ask a chat right now, find the cure for cancer?

Is that not as simple as it works? Yeah, I feel like it wouldn't give it to you in text. I feel like they want to go through the genetic. I don't think it's going to work. They turned off my water because you typed that, Katie. My goodness. Lights start to flicker. So the war continues.

obviously there was reporting a few weeks ago that Trump was just going to say we're done officially and just leave but boy he wishes he wishes the hooties did go after a long pipeline in Saudi Arabia that then Saudi Arabia shut down because they couldn't keep operating it so this pipeline went through Saudi Arabia from the red sea into the Persian Gulf west of straight. Now that key cog in America's energy infrastructure is for now gone, which is going to put certainly more economic pressure on everyone worldwide. The diesel, I read that several gas stations in California, they had to max out the diesel at $9.99 and they can't go, like maybe the AI should work on that is making the diesel be able to go to 10. Seems like a simple fix. Although

let's not. I know that. that this feels at this point the fog of war this quagmire is hard to pay attention to it's hard to know what's actually happening but it has continued it does feel like no matter how much the president wants to pretend that it's wrapping

up or that it's almost done or that we have one or that whatever the new talking point is it has continued and we are losing we're losing in general I mean I guess it depends not you want to purse it But we the people, and not just the American people, but the world, the people of the world are losing.

I don't know when those price shocks come. I'm feeling it. I'm seeing the prices go up and up. I feel as though it's about to get a whole hell of a lot worse over the weekend. Costco also started rationing oil. Their oil sales limiting how much people can buy for the first time ever. That's a big deal. That is a very, very, very big deal.

Hot dog price didn't go up. So I've been shoving those into my Ford Focus. you know. I mean, the stuff that's in hot dogs these days because they had to cut the petroleum from the hot dog production. So now you can't even use it as fuel anymore.

Oh, no. It's a big deal. The real ramification will be felt yes in our wallets and anybody that commutes or uses their vehicles or, you know, flies.

It wants their house to be warm. But farmers. Anybody that, you know, long distance, truckers, haulers, people that rely on diesel fuel especially, I mean gasoline, but diesel fuel to run their heavy machinery. Well, we all do. Stuff goes on the trucks.

And we need. We all do. But I mean, but if you are running a farm and your equipment, you can't get the stuff that you need to run your equipment or, you know, we're going to be paying for it also in the prices we pay for stuff that gets shipped. Right. Travel if you need to for the Christmas holidays or just the holidays. I don't need to say Christmas. Fuck Christmas. Yeah, I mean, but at like, what, you're saying, like, 99 a gallon,

that's 500 gallons with our checks that are on the way after midterms? I'm going to stock up on diesel while it's still in the single digits. Yeah, doing it. Yeah, I mean, this is not great timing. Nothing has been great timing for the GOP lately with midterms coming up. Not to try to put a positive spin on things in an ongoing quagmire of a war that's now, what are we, seven months or something like that. Just two weeks. Yeah, it's been two weeks.

It's only been two weeks. You know, like, this stuff can't go on. And the most we're going to be able to do, even with the rosiest projections, as the Democrats will take the House and the Senate. And then what? And I know they got a big agenda, but like, does the war still continue indefinitely? Because you feel like you have bigger fish to fry and you kind of don't want to stick your nose in and take any of the blame. Like, I do worry that they'll kind of just let the war keep going. Well, they saw how some people reacted when Biden pulled out of Afghanistan and they're not going to want to be the face of anything like that ever again, probably.

Right. You forced the pullout and then Trump tells him Seth, do it as badly as possible. And then it goes poorly and the Democrats made us do this and look what happened, look what they did and so on and so forth. And they're not going to stand on principle about how the war's bad. So it was 9-11 the other day. Friday, 25th anniversary. Mom Dani went to the New York event, Ground Zero, World didn't fall apart. So we're on Hussein Mamdani laughing terrorously at the ceremony. And then A. Osain Cortez was there as well. And there's like a snapshot of AOC and Mamdani standing next to each other smiling, which, oh, can you imagine?

That means they like 9-11. It is the salient people alive. How dare like 9-11. I've ever know it. There's lots of silly things, but it's frustrating to watch people lose their mind about this clip where it's actually the most somber.

It's two people that know each other, greeting each other and exchanging... Pleasantries. Pleasantries and a gentle smile, but it's not like they're over there, giggling like teenagers in the corner. Meanwhile, there's plenty of other footage and photos of conservatives at the event.

J.D. Vance. smiling, laughing, smiling, laughing, sleeping probably. I don't even need to get annoyed at that because... It's just racism. It's just what they're doing. It's what it's always been, but this year in particular, partly, I've seen people be like, oh, a lot more reverence for 9-11, a few were like 9-11 jokes this year. And I wonder why.

Maybe it's because people are coming around, whatever. It's because of the big Hassan story going around for weeks about the quote he said about America deserve 9-11. It's because of that, and it's because Zornamam Dani's the mayor of New York City. That is why. It's because we have a secret kami Muslim mayor. That's why. And what happened with this little five-second video is a perfect example of that. It's just because people like being a little racist about 9-11. And I like, maybe it's because it's 25, but it's very clear the way people are talking about this and talk about El-Sayed. And and all these people.

Of course. It's just a little racism. Further day. You know, I... A somewhat conservative person, I know. I had a conversation with them last week, and you would be delighted to know that they were so frustrated by this kind of conversation

and about the vilifying of Mom Dhani and Abdul El-Sayyad and Muslims in this country. I think the actual point I'm paraphrasing was You know, this whole idea of like, you know, a lot of people on the right want to say, like, they all hate us because we're white or whatever, but don't they see that they're doing the exact same thing is essentially the paraphrasing of this conversation. And I'm like, thank you. My point of saying this is to end this conversation on a slightly less depressing note where I have to sometimes remind myself that online discourse is not representative of everybody. yes it's representative of a percentage of the population that has been totally fucking cooked and we can be aware of that but just in our hearts I want us all to take a deep breath and remember that not everybody is looking at this and taking that away taking that from it if I may I would like to end this on the correct reverent way to talk about 9-11 and of course that's with our president. We will always remember the victims and the families of September 11th.

201, very famous date, unfortunately. So, you know, that's what you want to do really is, is, uh, you want to, you want to try to remember how to say the name of the year. And then reiterate, it's a very famous date.

I can't. Unfortunately. Man. Speaking of cooked, that. So that's how I'm really supposed to honor. The year 2001 is not a very famous date. 20. 20.

It is not the part of the date. He didn't know how to say 2001. Well, it's now 2026, so that's inconsistent. At least it's a 9-1-201. Half a dozen to some. 20-0-1. 101 to others. Two one, skip the last.

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