Some More News - Even More News: Democrats Give Up, Again

Episode Date: November 11, 2025

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My name is Cody and I love my green hat. Yes, it is and yes he does, folks. And Jonathan is also here. Notting. yes Jonathan what happened this weekend let's walk through the timeline the timeline was Saturday happened Sunday was going and then on Sunday night

it turned into Monday a bunch of Senate Democrats an interesting collection of them decided to cave essentially on the shutdown and agree to a continuing resolution to reopen the government it hasn't reopened yet as of when we're recording the house has to come back and vote on it Trump has to sign it etc so these senators enough to get over the filibuster 60 60 total senators

are going to push this thing forward the only thing we get out of it is all of the people who were furloughed and those reductions in force and fired they all get to come back and they can't be fired again until after January they'll all get paid so it basically is just going back to what happened if the shutdown never happened there are no concessions on

the ACA subsidies except they promised Republicans promised to bring it up for a vote in December a vote which will of course fail because they don't want to do it even if they do bring it back. And we have no leverage. Failed to happen or fail to pass? Failed to happen?

Either. I mean it might fail to And then if they do, it'll fail to pass. I assume it, they just won't do it because they don't want the optics of voting against people getting health care. But I don't think they care much at this point. Look, it's not a good position to be in regardless. The Republicans didn't want to come to the table, didn't want to negotiate. So I get that. But we just won. People are behind the Democrats. largely uh in this fight and we just gave up but over and and i also want to acknowledge that i i don't feel good about people being caught up in the middle of this political bullshit when their lives their literal lives are at stake their income their snap benefits etc but fuck man it feels like this is the height of our leverage when people are coming back Obviously, people on the left want a fight. A lot of Democrats wanted to keep fighting, and this collection of eight of them decided not to.

Let's talk about these eight people. Yes, let's. These eight Democrats, it seems like, were selected by a larger group of people who wouldn't be as affected and could take the backlash. They're all either retiring or they're not up for re-election until 2028 or 2030. no one who's running again in 2026 who would have to answer for caving and not fighting people like Dick Durbin who's retiring

people like Jackie Rosen who's up in 2030 Cortez Masto Angus King and of course John Fetterman who I don't know what he's thinking or doing it over and over again he's been doing that for yeah since the beginning Schumer is publicly against this

he is coming out and saying he's again it, but it does seem like some of the Democrats who are publicly opposing it, privately were like, okay, you guys will take the heat and we'll do this. And for what it's worth, get people, their snap payments for now again, like everything starts functioning again, but you guys are going to take the heat and we can say like, oh my goodness, I can't believe you caved, but people are still very angry at Schumer. The Schumer thing is so frustrating because, yeah, this was orchestrated by him and yet he goes out there very publicly, I'm a no. You're pathetic. You're pathetic.

Yeah, it's sort of obvious. Like, it's already obvious what's going on. And they want to, they wanted to cave. They wanted to do this. They are very squeamish about taking a stand. And long, long term, Trump was threatening to nuke the filibuster, which I imagine a lot of the Democrats don't actually want to happen. So they're like, well, we got to do something. Even though public opinion has obviously turned against Trump so much and was generally supportive of Democrats doing this, there were, it seems like there were too many threats on the horizon that they couldn't handle and they just wanted to get back to it.

Yeah. So it's very obvious. They have sort of like, well, you have like a sort of rotating, you know, a group of like Democratic villains that you can sort of trot out there and they can sort of take the heat. and they're not going to be out for re-election for a long time. So this will have long past. People will have forgotten about it, probably. And so it's very obvious what's going on.

He's like, well, I, I'm a, I'm a no. Okay, great. But it's very obvious that he's orchestrated. And also, it was reported literally by the prospect, like, two days ago, that there were these back-door meetings and Schumer had been involved in them. So it was obvious on its face and also by the, the reporting and so we're in this situation where either Chuck Schumer is lying I'm a no I think this is bad and but he's really making it happen or he's lying and saying ah this is bad or he's

saying the telling the truth that he's a no and this is bad but he can't do his job and get other people in his caucus to vote the way he wants to it's his job to not have that happen instead of do a little tweet or a little video like, I'm voting no. It's very, it's just pathetic and it telegraphs weakness, which, you know, there are reasons and we'll get to some of the counterpoints about why this is actually good or bad or whatever. But it all it does is telegraph weakness to the Republicans and Trump specifically, who is a fear smeller. And he knows, like, oh, you'll cave. All I got to do is like threaten to nuke the filibuster and you'll cave. I know how to control you now.

The week, we feel the weakness. We're disappointed. Again, a week ago, we were on the precipice of a very historic and exciting election. And the voters were very clear about what they wanted. And the polling for the Democrats is in the toilet. And it's because of this. It's because of the lack of backbone. It's the weakness, the lack of a plan.

any coherency and way to throw away any gains or not gains, but just totally dismiss your electorate. It's interesting to see the way people are making public statements right now. Coming to mind is Roe Kana calling for Chuck Schumer to step down as the minority leader. And then you've got all of your potential presidential candidates coming out with very strong statements about how this was a mistake. But at the end of the day, they all know this is all posturing. This is all trying to position yourself to look a certain way. But at the end of the day, the Democrat Party just got together and decided to concede. I think we have to think about what Republicans would do if they were in this situation. Because granted, you could

argue that these eight Democrats wanted to end the suffering. People are suffering out there. I also think they didn't want their flights to be delayed or canceled, but if the Republicans had a chance to a Democratic president in a situation where Thanksgiving is going to be ruined because flights are delayed, flights are canceled, people can't make their flights, people can't see their families, and they're going to blame the president for it, I think we know what the Republican Senate would have done. Now, I'm not saying like the shrewdness needs to be so cruel where you're going to do that to people, where you're going to disrupt American daily life just to win politically. But the fact of the matter is, is like we know who has the fight and we know who doesn't

have the fight and all of these people wanted to get back to their lives. Right? They wanted to be like, well, I've got flights coming up. I've got Thanksgiving plans coming up. They're just so afraid. They're so afraid of things reflecting poorly on them. Yeah, or things changing, right? Or things changing. If you're going to nick the filibuster, then we can't let that. Ultimately, it's that, isn't it?

It's being afraid of that, of what that. I mean, it is a Pandora's box, but. That seems like part of it. That's obviously been a big discussion in the Democratic Party for the past however many years. So it is a question that. people seem to you know the party is split on in certain factions but um that seems like part of it at least if he's doing this and he's threatening to do this and uh he's throwing all the stuff out then they might want to keep a lid on it well the Epstein stuff

has gone away to a degree in that the government's been shut down and the house has not been in session and Johnson refuses to swear in and You know, we've been in a stalemate there. I guess there is an argument to be made that something can move forward in other arenas, not just Epstein, but in other arenas that can bring a new issue to the forefront before everybody sours on this one. Because, you know, I don't want to gloss over. And we haven't. Jonathan's called it out so why that real people's lives are in the mix here. and people need to eat.

And, yeah, not being able to get home for Christmas will not reflect well on anybody. However, neither will the exorbitant health care premiums we all need to pay. Well, right. Like, the health care costs are going to go up now. They didn't. And a lot of them are like, well, we were never going to get that anyway.

That was all just, I think Angus King was like, we were never going to get those ACA subsidies back. There was zero chance. of dealing with the ACA issue, as long as the shutdown continued. Now, I don't know, 50-50, but there's a lot better chance now than there was this morning. So why did you do this in the first place? Why would you admit that you didn't think you would ever get what you wanted? Also, they're slashing snap benefits anyway.

Like a lot of people are going to lose that. So, like, you know, now with this health care thing where Trump is saying, no no no here's the plan you don't have to pay the insurance companies anymore we're going to just give you the money so you can get a quote much better policy yeah and that he doesn't say from whom yeah from any specifics in other words take from the big bad insurance companies and give it to the people and then they're going to it's it's so unclear and then those people can buy an insurance company from a magic unicorn health insurance company like what are you talking about dude you put You put insurance companies on the marketplace,

then you can buy your insurance company on the marketplace. Is he pitching Medicare for all? It's unclear what he's pitching. It's unclear. So I wanted to make a health. It's like an HSA type thing. It's an HSA. So I think he's in a panic mode also looking at the reactions.

You know what happened with the elections last week, obviously. He's just on a tear, throwing stuff out, seeing what sticks. The insurance, the confusing. insurance idea being one of them. Other things he's thrown out over the weekend. We're going to do 50-year mortgages. Very popular. No, people don't like the idea of renting from a bank for the entirety of their lives

and they die and their homes are still not paid off. And look, the $2,000 tariff rebate. I mean, he's floated that before. Is that on top of the dose checks? On top of the dose checks? I'm not sure. Is it a rebate or is it like a tax deduction? There's like four checks I'm expecting now.

We have four checks on the way, right? Where's my $10,000, Donald? I like, you owe me so much fucking money now, man. I know. We got on Biden for $600 for a long time. I'm like, Donald, you've promised so much money to people. $2,000, $2,000 again. Like, let's get on it.

And then people have been like, well, this is nothing like the COVID stimulus. This is nothing. This isn't going to be inflationary because it's money we've earned. we've earned no it's money collected on us that's not you're assuming that tariffs work a certain way that they work and everyone agrees on like no one will admit on the news that he just like it's not even a lie i mean it is a lie but when when someone asks him he's like oh we're going to do these tariff rebates and then someone on the news will ask him kind of then what's the point of the tariffs in the first place if you're just collecting money to give it back to people and then raising

prices and stuff and he'll be like well we've done such a great job and obviously gas is down and sometimes he'll be like no it's not or whatever like he just keeps going so hard and has no shame that sloppidopoulos or whoever's like all right well and i'm not saying like the media can get us out of this but it but it's just like frustrating just like do a little a little bit more a little bit more. What do you mean? Could you explain? Like, explain to me

how this tariff system actually works. I'll explain to you and you explain to me and we'll see who agrees. And it's like, oh, they're like, well, we need access to Trump.

It's like, Trump is always walking outside and answering questions. He's not going to stop. He might make fun of you and call you fake news if you ask him a tough question. But, like, he can't stop.

So, well, right. I feel like even the times when he's like, you're the worst fake news in the world, you should be fired. what's your question he still does like he still does it he's he just like does his insult insult comedy but then he still like addresses those he probably forgets who you were two days later and

he's going to call on you again be like who are you who are you with oh they're fake news but yeah it's k-fabe it's a show you know exactly so it's like oh that's NBC fake news he's like okay well here's my question all right yeah so thank you yeah well I'm not going to answer it but here's the answer your fake news so it does feel like Trump saw the election results and just freaked out. And he's like, I'm a populist. Affordability. Here's money.

I'll give you money. And the health insurance money is there and 50-year mortgage. And he seems so out of touch because he's like, everyone except rich people will get $2,000. And then he's like, these idiots think that's a lot of money, right? I'm like stealing more from them with these stupid watches. Like, he's such a scam artist. It's such huckster shit. It's so obvious every second of the day.

I forgot about the watches already. We always forget about the new product that he has. I didn't want to point out, so like, this insurance thing, it's not going to happen. They've been trying to repeal and replace Obamacare for since it existed. And I feel like they've done like 80 to 90 attempts at this point. Before Trump was even in office, I think it was like 70 something attempts to repeal and replace Obamacare. so that number's up there again this post so trump made this thing like yeah we're going to like take all their money and give it to you or whatever and so uh rick scott senator rick scott chimed in

with a screenshot of that tweet said i totally agree with potis i'm writing the bill right now we got to stop taxpayer money from going insurance companies and so and so forth and then uh senator ron johnson chimed in saying that rick scott is exactly the right senator to draft the legislation. No one knows more about health care than Rick. And I guess I just have to point out that Rick Scott was the CEO of Columbia HCA Healthcare Corps and they did a bunch of Medicare fraud. They had to pay like $1.7 billion in fines and settlements because of the fraud that his company did to health care. Who knows more about it then than the guy that new enough to do fraud.

I think Rick Scott may be one of the wealthiest members of Congress. He's worth like half a billion dollars, I think. It's too much money. They don't seem to talk about him. They talk about Pelosi a lot. Well, he's the guy. He's the guy to do it. Not that much.

A measly $250 million. Hey, that is like, you know, a seventh of what his company had to pay in fines for the fraud they did. He really should start a crypto scam. Should. Ooh, you know what? I know somebody he can call to do that with it's the president of the United States. Of the United States?

Yeah. Huh. I will be honest and thought he had already pardoned these people. I thought all seditionists had been pardoned already. But Trump pardoned a bunch of people who worked on the fake electors scheme in 2021 or after the 2020 election. So he pardoned 77 people, including Sidney Powell, John Eastman. Kenneth Cheesebro, Rudy Giuliani, and Mark Meadows. But the pardon is written in very broad language, so it exonerates basically everyone who was accused of election interference.

So if you go back and you say, oh, this person tried to subvert the election in this state and try to just put this false elector, even if they're not listed, the list of people that were pardoned, you still get a pardon. Maybe it'll apply to future people, I don't know. Maybe, yeah, here's what it says. I, Donald J. Trump, do hereby grant a full, complete, and unconditional pardon to all United States citizens for conduct relating to the advice, creation, organization, execution, submission, support, voting activities in, or advocacy for, or of any slate of presidential electors in connection with the 2020 presidential election. So he specifies 2020. so it's not going to have to do with other ones for now. So that is such a everybody type of pardon. that's uh i want to go through like each article about this because i always am like how is this

being presented and at what point in the articles about this will it say the election that he lost in which these people tried to overturn thus overthrowing the will of the people in the u.s. government thus treason like you know the word treason's thrown around a lot these days yeah these days but maybe we should reserve it um because also like He is admitted that he lost at least a few times he has admitted he goes he goes back and forth It depends on his audience at the time, but it depends on his mental health for the day or what state His how cogent his brain is did he have a grumpy poop or was it more of an upbeat kind of kind of thing? Like I just Apple effed for the word lost or lose in this New York Times article about the pardons and it's not in there and down in like the seventh or eighth paragraph it says the proclamation

announcing the pardons said they had been issued as a corrective measure to address quote a grave national injustice that took place when the 2020 election went against mr trump and joseph r biden junior became president so like that's true yes that's what happened it went against him factually but like that's one weird way to say it went against to be fair accurate and balanced etc it continues it represented, among other things, the latest effort by Mr. Trump to sustain the lie that the vote count had been rigged against him in 2020 and to rewrite the history of January 6th, which he has repeatedly referred to as a day of love. It's in there. I'm not saying it's not in there. A day of love. I mean, honestly, it was such a loving day. I felt loved. I could feel the love all around. I wasn't in a puddle of tears and panic. seared into my psyche till the day I die It was for me It was not necessarily a day of love It was oh I have so much work to do I didn't work here yet and I was not doing that work I was watching TV and going

What's happening here Is Giuliani going to be the president after this Like can you enter a building and then declare the government over It was a I think we forget how it was a wild bizarre that was united the nation briefly for a day

for a day and a half everybody agreed what a fucked up thing that was yeah January 7th it was like people like Scott Jennings on CNN were like he has to go yelp

impeach and convict get rid of them get rid of him get him out of it get him out of there there's just no bottom for this man good thing we elected the sleepiest man in the world to take care of that. Trump's a little bit sleepier now, though.

If he saw that... He has slept... He has... I don't know if he's sleepier, but he has slept more publicly than Joe Biden. He's definitely asleep more often. He is slumpier. All right, let's do something fun.

I want to do something fun. Let me read this tweet from Joyce Carol Oates, the author and, I guess, Twitter shit post. her responding to a big long thing from the big long Elon Musk tweet that she saw i don't need to read the Elon Musk thing but here's what joy was it him being stupid was it him being a stupid idiot it's him saying that like he's a maker and everyone else in the world is a taker you know oh classic yeah

okay yeah so curious that such a wealthy man never posts anything that indicates that he enjoys or is even aware of what virtually everyone appreciates scenes from nature pet dog or cat Praise for a movie, music, a book, but doubt that he reads. Pride into friends or relatives' accomplishment. Condolences for someone who has died. Pleasure in sports, acclaim for a favorite team, references to history. In fact, he seems totally uneducated, uncultured. The poorest persons on Twitter may have access to more beauty and meaning in life

than the, quote, most wealthy person in the world. I would say that's pretty accurate. That seems fair. Clock them, completely accurate. When he posts about history... Get him, Joyce. When he posts about history, it's about the Roman Empire, and he's wrong. And historians would be like, well, that's not what happened.

That's wrong. So I guess she's wrong about that one part. He does talk about history, but he's wrong about it. In response to Joyce Carol Oates, eloquently saying, you have no soul, Elon. You are devoid of soul, actually. Well, at first he just responded that, like, he wrote, Oates as a liar and delights in being mean, not a good human. Who does that describe? Wait, lies and delight in being mean.

mean and then and then he's like she's an author so I need to use some words here so he writes eating a bag of sawdust would be vastly more enjoyable than reading the laboriously pretentious drivel of oats okay uh you got some you got some words in there Elon very good and then based on apparently her saying this guy doesn't like art or music or movies or anything he's just been replying to accounts talking about like sci-fi movies with things like like great movie so like there's a post about the fifth element and he's like great style in this movie so funny tomorrow great film or something like that i've seen it i've seen that i've seen that have you have you have hello have you have you heard of art because i'm the thing about art

is it it's indicative of it's so feelings right so the beauty of it's so funny he's just like i love movies actually the only other movie tweet he's done before this is basically saying that like the main character in Blade Runner's named Blade Runner. He just like, yeah, this is what Blade Runner would have driven. And now he's just like, this is the car that Blade Runner would drive. Would drive. Even though there is a movie, Blade Runner, and you can see how he gets around. You can see the cars already in that movie.

And the cars look, even though this is a dystopian future, the cars are better than cooler than the absolute dump truck that you put out there. Oh, he's tweeting about the culture series. I'm sure people are very mad about that. The culture series? There's a series of books called The Culture, Sci-Fi series. I've not read them, but he cites them often, and many people who have read them are like, you don't understand these books at all.

You're evil and you don't get it. Stop citing these books. Yeah, do you think he's just asking Grock for smart-sounding reactions to different movies? At Grono. Summarized the films of Antonioni for me. Give me a talking point, please. It's so funny. I don't know if anyone remembers this,

but years ago, somebody asked Ben Shapiro what his favorite books were. Was it his? No. It was, I believe, probably, it was like the Great Gatsby,

Tale of Two Cities, To Kill a Mockingbird, and a couple other ones. Literally, literally, it was the first five if you Google Best Books. Stop. No. I'm not joking.

Like, I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. I will try to find my best to find the tweet. But, like, it was a list of his favorite books. And if you Google best books, it was just one after the other. Remember when the sight and sound released their top 10, as they do every 10 years on the twos? And then they released, like, here's which, here's the 10 films that everyone voted for. and the filmmaker T. West, top 10 looked, is just like, if you Googled Best Films.

It's like Citizen Kane, The Godfather, 2001, Space Odyssey, Apocalypse Now, Psycho, Sunset Boulevard, Chinatown, Jaws, Taxi Driver, Easy Rider. And, like, I'm not going to argue with any of those 10 fantastic films, but it's like if Elon Googled, like, best films ever. And he's like, I think the, I love this. Oh, 2001 of Space Odyssey. Yes, I love that one. And Psycho also had its moments in terms of bathtub, you know. Cane, Casablanca is my favorite of all of them. China Town has been canceled recently. Okay, sorry. Moby Dick, east of Eden, Huck Finn,

to kill a mockingbird, the scarlet letter. Oh my God. Junior year of high school. I was going to say junior syllabus. He just pulled it out of his old binder. That's fine. Slaterhouse is unfilible. We have fun here.

We have little tidings of fun. No, no. That seems like what he would say. like analyze slaughterhouse five at grok Yeah Analyze Slaterhouse Five So I wanted to mention before we wrap up That the Supreme Court

Says it will not revisit Obergefell It's not going to strike down Same Sex Marriage at least not with this case So it feels like they're at least A little bit aware Of the national sentiment And don't want to piss everyone off too much

Just yet So they're gonna I wonder if a good good news Thank you, everyone, but Samuel Lolito and Clarence Thomas, I'm assuming, maybe Barrett. Yeah, it's great news. The fact that it's great news, it's fucking wild, because it shouldn't be news at all. It shouldn't have been something that we've been worried about for so long. And I'm very relieved, of course.

Yeah. There is a point of too far, I guess. Amy Coney Barrett did suggest. a week or two ago that it would be tough to overturn O'Burgafel because it's been settled law for 10 years and people have planned their lives and marriages around

this. So she did hint that she might not be on board with overthrowing it because of the disruption of the law. So they only needed four to bring the case and they probably just didn't because they knew it would fail. So

yay. Yay. That's interesting because it's like also say like well yeah but also we disagree with it like the idea that like well i think it would be a little chaotic is like a funny like reason to do it like well you can i mean that's good that that's a reason i guess um but okay well folks we have daggone done it again we've arrived at the end of our program for today but don't worry we'll be back later this week And one way to make sure you never miss new releases from us is to like and subscribe. How cute, how fun, how novel of me to say.

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