Some More News - EVEN MORE NEWS: Do Gen Z Men Really Think Donald Trump Is "Cool"?

Episode Date: April 25, 2025

Hi. On today's episode, FYPod's Cameron Kasky joins three young, spry, Gen Z-adjacent hosts to discuss why 18-to-21-year-old men have swung so hard for Trump and what can be done about it. They also talk through the extremely boring-but-important dismantling of government infrastructure and marvel at Tim Pool's really good and incisive question at a recent White House briefing.PATREON: https://patreon.com/somemorenewsMERCH: https://shop.somemorenews.comYOUTUBE MEMBERSHIP: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvlj0IzjSnNoduQF0l3VGng/joinFeel good... and mean it when you say it!! For a limited time, get Headspace FREE for 60 days. Go to https://headspace.com/somemorenews.You can get 50% off a new SimpliSafe system with professional monitoring and your first month free at https://simplisafe.com/morenews.Get 20% off plus a FREE rechargeable frother and glass beaker with our exclusive link: https://Piquelife.com/morenewsSubscribe today to get a 1-month supply of AG Omega-3 with your first AG1 order! You’ll also get their Welcome Kit with everything you need to get started on your AG1 journey. So make sure to check out https://DrinkAG1.com/morenews to claim this special offer.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hello and welcome back to Even More News, the first and only news podcast. My name is Katie Stoll. It is. Thumbs up to you. Thank you so much for continuing to be here with me every week in this show that we do every week. I'm Cody. Hello. Hello.

Oh, boy. Folks, we've got a first-time guest with us this week, podcaster and co-host of the Bullwerks FY pod. It is Cameron Caskey. Fuck is up, gang. Ooh, love the energy of that. What the F is G-ing on. Can I just say right off the bat two things.

Number one, I'm so excited because this is one of the only podcasts I ever listen to. The people at my network, Bulwark, always kind of give me trouble for the fact that I don't listen to any shows from there because I don't have the attention span for podcasts. I don't like that. It's not for me. But I love this.

The second thing is, I'm sorry about the way I look right now. I just got off of an MSNBC thing and they just cake you in makeup. So I feel like I look like I'm waxy and made out of plastic. But... Oh, no. You look great. Slay. Excellent. We can put a filter over if you want.

Jonathan is also here. That's true. Hi. There he is. That's a filter over if you want. Jonathan is also here. That's true. Hi. There he is. I love this pointing, we got it. I feel empowered now. I also love that you use Slay,

Cameron, in the interest of transparency. You're not our first Gen Z host, but you are a Gen Z host. I did look up Gen Z terms before you joined us today, so. Well, I hated Slay. I hated Slay when people started using it. When I would talk to other men I might have been interested in and they said Slay, I was just like, OK, no, no, no, no, no.

This is not OK. But then I just entered these social circles. Bed is great. Bed is great. I learned that one from a drug dealer when I was 15 back in Parkland, Florida. But Slay was really, really offensive to me. And then I guess I was in a group of friends that were using it kind of half ironically,

and it sort of just merged into my language, and I kind of just used it to aggravate my millennial co-host, Tim. That's how it happens. You say it ironically, and then it just becomes a part of you. All right, Cameron, we've got questions for you, but first we've got some holidays to celebrate.

And this is... Are they good? Are they anything? it just becomes a part of you. All right, Cameron, we've got questions for you, but first we've got some holidays to celebrate. And this is... Are they good? Are they anything? Saturday, April 26th is National Dueling Dinosaurs Day. Commemorating the 2006 discovery in Montana of Tyrannosaur and Triceratops fossils, it's believed that the two animals both tied

in the late Cretaceous. It almost brings to mind my former classmate and colleague David Hogg is currently running an effort to spend $20 million to unseat elderly gerontocracy Democrats. So in many ways, he's kind of dueling dinosaurs. KAMERON BAILEY KINGTON Uh, Cameron, we do have some questions for you. As you've already referenced, uh, you have a new podcast. It's only a few months old. You co-host it with Tim Miller,

uh, exploring the politics of Gen Z, and we're just curious, you know, what's it like working with one of us lame elder millennial types? I love Tim. So many of my friends are Elder Millennials just because I was doing political stuff and running a nonprofit when I was 17 years old So my closest friend is turning 40 tomorrow and is in much better physical shape than I am But that's just a gay culture thing

He he makes me like if you just looked at our bodies didn't see anything else, you'd be like, oh, that's the 20-something who's plucky and sprightly. But, um, Tim is such a great co-host, mostly because so many people are trepidatious to bully and pick on a young school shooting survivor who's, you know, like, the better part of the decade, younger, and who's still finding out the truths about life and about young adulthood. And I think that there's this sort of the decade, younger, and who's still finding out the truths about life and about young adulthood. And I think that there's this sort of shield that guys like me and David get because of our status as Parkland survivors,

where people are less quick to criticize us or call us out. And I think that's changed with James Carville and his fucking foghorn leghorn voice beefing with David, being like, oh, that kid is a brat! leghorn voice beefing with David, being like, oh, that kid is a brat. But still, I think that there's a degree to which we are held less responsible and accountable for our actions because people are like,

well, I don't wanna bully the Parkland kid. But Tim bullies the shit out of me. And he's not afraid to tell me that I'm a little bit of a dumb asshole. And what started as sort of a Gen Z exploration podcast turned into just us kind of like bickering, like an old couple. This week I was talking about Ross Perot. And I said, oh, sorry to the Gen Zers

who don't know who that is. And Tim goes, yeah, Ross Perot is dead. And I'm like, really? So he tells our producer, Jamie, which is the name of Joe Rogan's producer, he says, hey Jamie, will you look that up? And then a few minutes later, our producer Jamie, which is the name of Joe Rogan's producer, he says, hey, Jamie, will you look that up? And then a few minutes later, he asks Jamie, and Jamie goes, he died in 2019.

And I was like, yeah! And then I said, ooh, I don't want to celebrate this guy dying. Like, I wasn't cheering at Mr. Rothbrook's personal victory. I was cheering that I was right. Exactly. So that's kind of what this show is, is like, look, we look at things from a Gen Z perspective.

I can't say that I'm an extremely Gen Z person, because I, you know, read books, and I don't know TikTok, and, you know, there's just a lot of stuff my generation does that leaves me very befuddled. But the good news is, I'm friends with a lot of people who are aggressively Gen Z, so I get to sort of hear from my sample groups of people from this community or people who, you know, only get their news on TikTok or I just kind of have a finger on a bunch of different types of pulse. So I put all that information together to give Tim sort of an understanding of how we

all feel about stuff because my brain doesn't work very quickly. Like my synapses do not fire very fast, which is why I can't debate people, I lose every time, um, and I can't remember stuff, my working memory is really bad because of adolescent drug use, obviously, and in Parkland, Florida, there's not a lot to do when you're a teenager except for drugs and survival school shootings, so I did a lot of drugs and that makes my brain not work so good, but what I can talk about is less the information and the facts of the day and how people feel.

So that's sort of the spin that Tim and I have and that's sort of what we get into on the show is, I can't tell you the raw data the way that other talking heads could, but I can tell you how people generally feel about stuff. I relate to that real hard. It might be my own drug use as a teen as well. I don't know.

I didn't do drugs and I can really repeat hard data very well. Cameron, this is an important question actually. Would you be able to tell your co-host Tim, I'm very nice and he should unblock me on Twitter. You know what's so funny is he just did a segment today on his show that Cory Booker was on. And Cory Booker live on, I don't know if it was live actually,

Cory Booker on video for Tim's podcast unblocked Tim, who Cory had blocked like a decade ago. Incredible. So I will send the message around. I absolutely do. Just send him this clip. I'm really nice. I'm really nice. That's a wonderful moment of, not television,

but good moment to capture. It was so funny. Oh, my God. It was just like... And I think stuff like that, and even the conversation we're having right now, really speaks to why a lot of politicians and official-type people are expanding out to independent media. You know, there's obviously the whole, why didn't Kamala Harris go on Joe Rogan debate, which I have opinions on.

I don't think I'm really qualified to comment on it. But I think that- Everybody's qualified to comment. I think any opinion's valid, but- We'll get to know each other better and that might change. But what I'll say is- I know, as I was saying that, I was like, I don't know if that's actually true. Anyway, go ahead.

Yeah. But what I'll say is... I know, as I was saying that, I was like, I don't know if that's actually true. Anyway, go ahead. Yeah, well, just cause I find myself, like I find myself giving certain opinions on things. And then within 48 hours, I'm like, who the fuck said that? And then it was me. Like this was happening so much after the election is I was seeing someone's tweet that was like, stop talking about the economy. This was misogynoir, which is why Harris lost. And I was like, exactly. And then I saw another tweet that was like, stop talking about the economy. This was misogynoir, which is why Harris lost.

And I was like, exactly. And then I saw another tweet that was like, don't let them make it about identity politics. The Harris campaign failed to lay out a correct progressive vision. And I was like, exactly. And then I would see tweets that were like, both of those are true. And I would say, correct. And I'd see tweets that say neither of those are true. And I'd be like, hell yeah.

So I don't like to comment on stuff. You are like the perfect podcaster. All of that is true. It's like, yeah, this point is true, this point is true. I think anybody that's saying you're a dumb ass because you think this thing is true is the dumb ass. Cause I think that there's lots of stuff and not every panini is valid, but there's nuance to it.

There are different angles that you can come at from it. So having an open mind in that you are receiving different information and trying to get to the root of what happened is only a good thing in my opinion. But there was a lot of that after the election. A lot of anger behind all those statements. Yeah, I relate. So we know that you talk a lot about Gen Z

and politics and the news. That's what your show is about. But we wanna talk to you about that as well. Especially this headline that's been circulating lately about how Gen Z is pivoting to the right. And, you know, when you drill down into it, it's not as black and white as that. But yes, a recent Yale poll found that on just a generic GOP versus Democrat ballot, 22 to 29 year olds voters are Dem plus six, but 18 to 20 year old voters are R plus 12. I think what's going on with young men,

first of all, it's really worth taking a look at the fact that that divide between elder Gen Z, it's crazy to say the word elder, and baby Gen Z is COVID. It was us getting locked in our houses, and it's the kids you know, the kids who are skewing so aggressively to the right are the ones who were graduating high school on video.

And it's really complicated cause you're like, okay, well, Trump was the president. He's the one who botched it. Why aren't these kids who are so traumatized by this thing blaming this guy for what was going on? But it's a little bit more, I don't wanna say simple, but I'm gonna be a little bit more reductive to these young people. It wasn't Donald Trump that failed them.

It was the establishment that failed them. And the Democrats have been running on the establishment and the baby Gen Zs weren't necessarily old enough to vote in 2020. So the Democrats were running on a restoration of order. But these young people grew up, you know, their parents lost their jobs and houses in 2008. Schools have been getting shot up. COVID happens and they're stuck behind their computers.

We aren't socializing with each other. We aren't meeting people from different communities. Then we're stuck on social media where the big tech overlords that everybody was calling so woke are deliberately feeding us far right content. So I think it is the Democrats' failure, obviously, to market to young people, obviously, to communicate to young white men. It's important to note that while young men are getting more fascist than ever, Kamala

Harris won the vote from young black men in 50 states. But I think, you know, because Trump is coming in and saying, I'm gonna fuck shit up, and because our attention spans are programmed to make us look at stuff for five seconds, we say, okay, we've got Trump who's gonna change the system, and the system hasn't been working for us. And then we've got Kamala Harris who's trying to straddle the line between saying, I'm progressive and we're gonna do stuff the new way, and also saying, by the way, the past four years have actually been great. And it was this weird attempt to sort of have her cake and eat it too, where it was like, I'm brat and progressive

and the new young thing and we're gonna change shit up, but also there's nothing we actually need to change because the past four years have been wonderful. And I don't know what I would have done if I was her, except for tell Joe Biden that he's too old in 2019. But I don't know what I would have done if I was her, because it's like, what is she gonna do? Fucking throw him under the bus and be like,

okay, now that I have the nomination, the guy I was just working with for four years is actually a senile old bat and everything he's doing is wrong. So I don't think I can out strategize Kamala Harris. The problem, this last election started in 2020 when everyone else was forced out of the race to go behind Joe Biden and then picked Kamala Harris, who was tanking

in favorability, who didn't have an authentic voice at that time and hasn't since. And, you know, we've rehashed Kamala plenty, but yeah, she wasn't appealing to anything at all. She was toeing some line and not putting herself out as authentic in any capacity. I don't think that she would have done well on Joe Rogan, but in general, the energy that you're starting to see from like a Pete Buttigieg right now, who is going out there and having conversations with different hosts of shows that reach different demographics. I'm not sure how that'll play out, but I do think that we need people,

he's at least younger and able to handle himself in those mediums. And so in general, we need more people that are able to keep up with the reality of modern media and be authentic. that are able to keep up with the reality of modern media and be authentic. I had characterized Pete as this kind of hoity-toity, pedantic douche who couldn't reach normal people. And then my friends who are basically like directly

in my sample of how normal people feel. They think that Trump is funny and they think that Obama is the coolest president ever because he plays basketball and smoke cigarettes. Like they're such the average Americans take. They get their news from TikTok. They think women should be able to get abortions but then RFK convinces them that he's got some interesting ideas for health that are worth exploring. They sent me a video of Mayor Pete talking about something on some sort of podcast and they were like this guy makes a lot of great points. And I'm like, oh my God, I had the wrong idea

about Pete. He's actually a really good messenger. I think that the other two elections, when we've seen Pete, I think that he's been more moderate, but I don't know what's happening with him right now. My hope for him is that he is leading more into the moment. Yeah, he's definitely improved his communication skills and sort of honed this like, here's the message, here's what I'm gonna say. I always find it interesting,

because he's one of the few that actually goes on like a Fox type show and is like, look, here's what they're doing actually. And he can like list off all the things that are actually going on. And I think the real test for somebody like Pete is what do you say and do next, like later? It's very easy when Trump's the president

and when there's this huge backlash to lay out the problems, but when you're running for let's say president, is he in the plenty bold camp? Right, right. What's he actually going to be saying at that point? Because he can definitely triangulate. It brings to mind, we're not going back. It's like, okay, where are we going?

Like, that's a good start. We're not going back, it's a great start. Very powerful message, especially considering all the things that are happening now. Because we're all going back. But having that vision to say, here's what you want to do. Also, Harris couldn't call Biden old in 2019 because she was too busy calling him racist to his face

on stage in front of everybody. That's a good point. I want to circle back just slightly to this previous question, because I think, I wanted to say that I agree with you, you know, the COVID of it all, the timing of things, the radicalization being stuck in your homes. But I think that there is also something interesting because this skewing is primarily men, young men, you know, Gen Z women are not leaving the left in the same capacity that, you know, Gen Z men are. And I do wonder if along with the COVID, there is also some sort of a reaction to the toxic backlash to Me Too, to the Manosphere, you know, appealing to disenfranchised young men who are and I'll also add that your whole lives have

been tumultuous. A lot of our lives, I think that millennials have had a very tumultuous life in a different capacity, but your entire innocence was wrapped up in politics a very tumultuous period of time. And then there's the existential threat of climate change. There's so much being shoved down young people's throats from a very young age. And I don't really know how to combat that.

I don't know how to combat the Manosphere influence, the toxicity that's, you know, seeping into everything. Because it's certainly being woke or virtue signaling in some cases and seem to be helping anything even though if you drill back down and I have a conversation about it with somebody they'd be like, okay well I get your point, but in general culturally I don't know what my question is. I guess I'm just saying my thoughts and seeing what your guys' thoughts are. Yeah, I think the problem with woke

isn't what's being said, it's how it's being said. There are so many things that I explain to my friends who think that woke has gone too far. And when I explain it, they're like, well, that makes sense. And then, but the shit that they're seeing on Twitter is like, you know, it isolates them. You know, it is interesting to see what's happening with young men. Obviously, the radicalization is tied to a lot of things,

and you're bringing up Me Too is something that I have been exploring recently because I've been really curious about the impact Me Too had on us. Now, I'm about to throw myself a party for how woke and incredible I am. And for those of you who think that this is self-serving, yes, correct, I deserve it. I, me too, like fundamentally shaped the way that I interact with women, specifically women. I don't think it had any impact on the way

that I interact with men. Men are terrible. But with women, I have this consciousness that this, like, it's almost imprinted into my brain that you have to be hyper aware of whether or not you're making somebody feel uncomfortable. And I'm like, great, because I'm glad I know. Um, so when I'm with someone, I am way quicker to over-correct than under-correct. But that's okay. I don't mind that.

Like, one of the things I say to my friends is, of my female friends, some women will tell me, he asked if he could kiss me, that's so ick. And some women will tell me, he asked if he could kiss me, that's so gallant, I'm wooed. And I'm like, I say to my friends, you should probably ask first, because if she wants to kiss you, you asking is not going to change the answer.

And if it does change the answer, she does not need to kiss you, she needs to go to therapy. So things like asking if you're going to kiss somebody and stuff like that, those are. But when I was 15, 16 years old, those things were really coming to light. And I was obviously getting laid by that back then because I was the man and I was a drama kid.

And if you're a straight passing, if you're a straight passing dude in drama, you are stuck in a pressure cooker with these really, really hot girls who are almost exclusively surrounded by gay guys. So you just bump up two points on the scale and you walk in and you're like, hey, I also like girls. It's and you walk in and you're like,

hey, I also like girls. It's game over, especially if you're getting leads, which, you know, not to be that guy, but I happen to do quite often, thanks for asking. You just were that guy. The Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Theater Department only had so many boys. So I got some roles that I, you know,

in the right cast probably would not have been qualified for. Jon Proctor. But I think that a lot of young men, a lot of young men grew up with this understanding that, did you say John Proctor? Yeah, from The Crucible. That's the, like, I can see you doing that. How did you play the, whatever, what's, who did you play?

Did you play Jean Valjean? No, I was Tenardier. Oh, Tenardier. Anyway, we get it. We understand the pull of being one of the men. Oh Tenardier. Anyway, we get it. We understand the poll. Tenardier? So for those of you who don't know, Tenardier is that fucking dog.

He is so wild. He's a scammer, he's a huck. So he's not unlike Mr. Donald J. Trump, dare I say, the orange guy. I know, he's got real Trump vibes. He does, he does. Yeah, and he's in this musical called Les Mise-rois Brue, where it's in France,

and everybody has a British accent except for Tenardier, who very often either has a French or Cockney accent. And he was played by extremely passionate human rights advocates, Sasha Baron Cohen, in the movie adaptation. Oh, I never saw that one. But just to what, yeah, it has its moments. To what we were talking about,

I think that Me Too made a lot of young men feel like, Jonathan, to your point, like there was a bit of a witch hunt going on, not unlike in The Crucible with John Proctor, who if we had done The Crucible, I would have been John Proctor, and I would have been in at least 7.5 to, I'd say 8.7 out of 10 in terms of quality.

But a lot of young men, we were fed this narrative so young that it's like, you have to apologize for being a man. You have to be sorry, especially if you're a white man. And I heard that and because of the way that I was raised, I was like, okay, sorry everyone. But a lot of people see that and they're like, wah, wah, woe is me.

Oh, my God, it's so hard. And Me Too definitely was very, very formative in the way that a lot of young men saw interactions with women as something that we, you know, obviously, we're taught that we're entitled to that, but that's something that's in every generation. We saw it as something where there was this hyper-vigilant, sort of, woke, dark god watching us.

And we would, and if we end up alone in a room with a woman, who knows, maybe she could just make something up and lie. And it really had an effect on us. Yeah, I believe that. And I think it's interesting and I'm not surprised by this answer. I think it's interesting and important to address. Not that I think Me Too is wrong

or any of these conversations are wrong. I think it's interesting to understand the way social media twists things and way it feels online. Because in my opinion, the conversation shouldn't, there are certainly terrible men and there are things that I have frustrations with, you know, sure. But like, you know, it's supposed to be a conversation

that helps us all. It's supposed to be a conversation that improves our relationships and how we communicate with people of the opposite sex and have an understanding of women. It shouldn't, in my opinion, it didn't need to be what you're describing, but that is what happened to a degree anyway for people. It's how it was metabolized for people, the perception of it. It's the same thing I think as woke where it's like it's not about the

it's not about the thing, it's about the way we talk we talk about it right so and I think that one of the groups of people who really has gotten off scott-free with the radicalization of gen z men is our fucking parents because parents you know at the end of the day the way that your child is raised you have such an impact on that duh and it you know if I had a conversation similar to you know what do I do about interacting with young women when me too is to, you know, what do I do about interacting with young women when Me Too is happening and, you know, I might get witch hunted, my dad would have been like,

okay, you fucking baby, cry about it, like, you'll be fine. And some parents just failed to deliver messages to their young white sons that were like, yep, raise this country, you're white, you're benefiting from it, and there's gonna be people who are gonna talk to you about how something needs to be done about that. And my parents taught me that that's the type of conversation that should be, you know, that should be happening.

And also, even if we are getting shit for being white men, by the end of the conversation where we are getting shit, we still win because we're in the country that is designed to only work for us. But parents failed. Parents really fucking failed. So what you're saying is it's young boomers and old Gen Xers who gave birth to all of it's it's their fault. If somebody bullies your kid, if somebody bullies your kid in second grade, a lot of parents, most parents won't say I need to have a word with that kid. They want to talk to the parents. Yeah, there's a, cause I feel like a lot of these polls will show

that where like Gen X and Gen Z are very aligned these days and seems like boomers have like sort of, at least with like the sort of Republican Trump aspect of it where boomers are like, actually we hate this guy. And they've come around and a lot of the other things I see with the Gen Z polling is it's very erratic. And it seems there's this like, and this is true, I think you're just young people growing up, like you change your mind, you learn about the world, like you're you're learning. And so the sort of back and

forth is expected. But it seems particularly pronounced. We're like, oh, during this three month period, Gen Z is like, actually Trump sucks and he's bad. And then for three months, he'll be like, oh, we love him now. He's amazing. And he's elected two months later, like, oh, wait, he kind of sucks now. And I'm wondering, you know, is like vibe wise,

is there this like particular fickleness or just like, you know, there's misinformation, obviously, lack of attention span, these sort of things that social media has applied to this generation growing up that makes that oscillation a lot more likely and a lot more frequent. Yeah, I think it's just social media. Like, that's why, you know, we're hot, then we're cold,

we're yes, then we're no, we're in, then we're out, we're up, then we're down. That's Selena Gomez. That's Good. You should write that down Whatever yeah, H. O T T. Yo, Gio. Yes, Selena Gomez Katie you nailed it Does it feel like then the like cuz it used to we didn't call them vibe shifts But the vibe shifts there were there was longer period of between them, and now they're like pretty close together. Look, we go where the algorithm points us, and like I said before, the techno overlord guys were characterized as so liberal because at a time when it was financially expedient for them to use pronouns, they did it, but they go where the money is,

and they realize that billionaire oligarchs are able to get more money from the American consumer when we are isolated, and when we are not sharing community with each other. So they've been doing everything they can to keep us away from each other, because they are ultimately right-wing. And the more people come together,

the more they experience other people's lives, and the more they find community, the less likely they are to vote red. Boy, howdy. If you're like me, and you are, you probably find the world to be a lot right now. To quote Benjamin Franklin, the world is a vampire.

But what if an app could help? App is short for Appliance of the Phone, and Headspace is an appliance of the phone that helps 100 million people with guided meditations, mindfulness practices, breathing, and calming exercises, and so on. Howdy, boy, let me tell you, I'm really good at meditation. I'm better than you at it, and I'll prove it one day.

And Headspace has allowed me to hone my skills with these quick on-the-go programs that lets me meditate like nobody's business. It is certainly not your business. Stay out of my meditation business. Stay out of it! If you're a Zen noob or a LEET meditation expert, they got something for everyone, and includes an endless meditation library and thousands of hours of mindfulness exercises. Feel good and MEAN IT when you say it. For a limited time, get Headspace free for 60 days. Go to Headspace.com slash some more news. That's H-E D S P A C E.

It's a guitar solo here, some drums. .com. Slash. Some more news. I didn't get it exactly right. To unlock all of Headspace free for 60 days, that's headspace.com slash some more news. Oh, there's no jingle.

That's why I didn't do it right. Listen up, freshman. I want to talk to you about your flesh. Katie wants your flesh to be high quality, hydrated, vibrant flesh. And then I'm gonna want your home address. But first you should check out Peak's Radiant Skin Duo. I did.

According to Peak, it's backed by like doctors and science and stuff. There's the sun goddess, Matcha, which is designed to give you a no jitters sustained energy with something called L-theanine. And then there's the BT fountain electrolytes that will hydrate your flesh and lock in moisture so you stay wet and spongy. It's important for me that your flesh is spongy folks, that's a key part of this. Also, since peak quadruple screens for toxins, I can rest assured that your skin contains no heavy metals

or pesticides or mold, just good, valuable flesh. So if you are ready to stop feeling like a raisin and glow up from the inside out, now's the time. Get 20% off plus a free rechargeable frother and glass beaker with my exclusive link, peaklife.com slash more news. That's P-I-Q-U-E-life.com slash more news. Don't wait, your body and skin will thank you

and as a result, so will I. There's nothing weird about it. I want you to have good skin. I want that for all of us. Jonathan, what's going on in the news? Didn't love that, but I did it. I loved it. Thanks. I loved it. And what's going on in the news? Didn't love that, but I did it. I loved it. I loved it. Thanks. I loved it.

And what's going on is Donald Trump and the Donald Trump administration wants you, you, to have more babies. Oh, I don't think so. I haven't had any. Yeah. So as we know, Elon Musk is very influential. And a lot of these people are pronatalists, which is a thing

we know now and are talking about. And so they're looking at ways to encourage people to have more children. And some of the ideas are a $5,000 baby bonus given to every American mother after delivery. Okay. Just before we get to some of the other ideas, I guess my question is, Jonathan is somebody who with one of those children things. That obviously would have helped. Everybody could use money and obviously new parents,

child is expensive. Would that pay for the hospital? Like how much of that would even be, would you even like take your kid home and be like, we still have some of this $5,000? If you are a potential mom or a potential dad who's on the fence, I don't think $5,000. If you are a potential mom or a potential dad who's on the fence, I don't think $5,000 is gonna tip you over into having a baby

because as we know, it's a lot more expensive than that and takes a lot more time than $5,000 will take you. At the very beginning, right? But sure, is it retroactive? Can I have it now? Like how far back are we going? I did it, yeah. What are the other ideas here? Well, let's see.

Government funding for programs that educate women on their menstrual cycle. That'll feel great, right, to have Russ Voht chiming in on your menstrual cycle. I don't have much to say about this by the end of this little stanza because I did not look into it because it's fucking insane. But there's some internet phenomenon about women being able to have menstrual cycle. I don't know if you've ever seen a woman who's having menstrual cycle. I don't know if you've ever seen a woman who's having menstrual cycle. I don't know if you've ever seen a woman who's having menstrual cycle.

I don't know if you've ever seen a woman who's having menstrual cycle. I don't know if you've ever seen a woman who's having menstrual cycle. I don't know if you've ever seen a woman who's having menstrual cycle. I don't know if you've ever seen a woman who's having menstrual cycle. I don't know if you've ever seen a woman who's having menstrual cycle. I don't know if you've ever seen a woman who's having menstrual cycle. I don't know if you've ever seen a woman who's having menstrual cycle. I don't know if you've ever seen a woman who's having menstrual cycle.

I don't know if you've ever seen a woman who's having menstrual cycle. I don't know if you've ever seen a woman who's having menstrual cycle. I don't know if you've ever seen a woman who's having menstrual cycle. I don't know if you've ever seen a woman who's having menstrual cycle. I don't know if you've ever seen a much to say about this by the end of this little stanza because I did not look into it because it's fucking insane. But there's some internet phenomenon about women like getting into this kind of culty right wing obsession with their menstrual cycle and how it affects their work and how it like, it's sort of like the Manosphere

for periods and stuff. And it's not really about menstrual health or women's healthcare. It's more of like the manosphere for periods and stuff. And it's not really about menstrual health or women's healthcare. It's more about like somehow managing to make following your period part of misogyny. And for that, you almost got to hand it to them because that takes creativity. When I read that, when I hear that,

I'm like, okay, I don't have a problem with women understanding their bodies. Education is important. And education is important. This is under the, with the specific purpose of getting girls pregnant, which I take issue with. But in general, I think it's important for women to understand their bodies

and everything you're talking about is true. It is being, you know, absorbed by some weird right-wing Venn diagram accounts, you know, wrapped up also with the trad wife, the, you know, all of that shit that's going on. It is true that women should understand their cycles. They should understand, for example, towards the end of your cycle,

you don't work out the same way. You should do yoga. You don't have to trust your own body, but in general, like when you're more tired, it's literally that. Like, listen, and knowing that when you ovulate, that's when you get pregnant. So you should know when you're ovulating. But we don't get ahead of that information. That's also good information to have if you don't want to get pregnant. Right. This is all information that's just good to know so you live a healthy life and take care of yourself

and like you're saying like exercise the right way at the right time. That's not what this is about. That's not what they're doing here. Also, like I don't know if the Trump administration should be trusted with this. Like I don't want the the blood coming out of her whatever guy to do this, this menstrual boot camp program or whatever. I feel like he has a real chance to be educated on the menstrual cycle maybe for the first time in his life. I feel like he doesn't have a good chance to be educated about anything. In terms of this pro-natalist stuff, I guess the only thing I can say with confidence is

that I'm almost halfway to 25 and looking back on this life that I've lived, I think I'm ready to be a father. So if anybody wants to help me repopulate the Earth and save humanity, you can find me at, at Cameron Caskey. Oh, bold. When you say you're almost halfway to 25, do you mean you're almost 24 and a half, or almost 12 and a half?

Well, it is so nice of you to ask. I meant the former. Okay. It's the fucking MSN to ask. I meant the former. Okay. It's the fucking MSNBC maker. I can't help myself. This is, the podcasts don't need this from me. I wanna read this Matt Walsh, bad Matt Walsh, not good Matt Walsh tweet.

Is it smart? Is it good? Well, no. He's talking about what the policy should be in terms of getting people to have more children. Oh, I don't want to know what he thinks the policy should be. He writes, policies should drastically favor families with children. Married couples with kids under 18 should not have to pay any income tax, just for starters.

Raise taxes on single moms and couples with no kids to make up the difference. So he wants to incentivize single mothers to just pick anyone out there to get married, to get significant tax relief. The people that need to help the most. Look, I'm sorry, but all of these incentives aren't like, it's just, there's so much going on with these people

because if in their world, they're talking about white people, right? Because isn't their whole worldview that like mothers are taking advantage of the government and like having all these babies just so they can get government assistance? Right, they don't say it. They clearly want white people to have more babies

and they will find ways to disincentivize the things they don't have. Well, otherwise we wouldn't be ejecting children that were born here from parents that are immigrants. They want DEI for parents. Also, have they talked about like, bring back like child tax credit or like helping with daycare or things like that, things that like actually like cost a lot of money throughout a child's life? I mean, the hypocrisy is just so clear that it almost feels redundant to talk about it. Like these are the people who were talking about the sanctity of the American households and the American family and then they were like, yeah, but gay people shouldn't be able

to get adoptions. And it's like, shut the fuck households and the American family. And then they were like, yeah, but gay people shouldn't be able to get adoptions. And it's like, shut the fuck up, you fucking losers. I swear to God, I always talk about how important it is to meet people where they're at and to not talk down to folks and stuff like that. And then stuff like this happens. And I'm just like, you're fucking dumb. And they're playing you a firm asshole.

It's frustrating, isn't it? And you look like a fucking idiot, and you should just shut the fuck up. Like I know when I am unqualified to talk about something, and if I'm gonna talk about it, I preface it with that. I'm not really qualified to talk about natalism or childbearing, I have never bore a child of my very own, but it's just some of these people sound like such assholes

when they're espousing these right-wing talking points. And of course, the right wants them talking as much as possible. Also, just to note, I think we've mentioned this before, one of the driving factors, my understanding, one of the driving factors for the lowering birth rate in America is teen pregnancy. And the lowering of specifically teen pregnancy is what is causing the lowering of, specifically teen pregnancy,

is what is causing a lot of this. And that seems good. But Matt Walsh is specifically against that too, as he has brought up. Yeah, exactly. If you're a Republican, you're simultaneously balancing the two kind of contradictory points of she's a whore and it's her fault because she was dressed that way, and it's also great that she's having a baby as a teenager and we're not going to

help her. So it's just let these people trip over themselves and you know I have a friend who is pretty right wing almost across the board and I he's but he's he's pro-abortion and I asked him why specifically that. And I was kind of hoping he would say, women should have control of their bodies. But his response for his pro-abortionism was, some people just shouldn't fucking have kids.

That's what I thought he was gonna say. I was like, you know what, I have two options. I could either push him or let him be pro-abortion. So I was just like, I mean. options. I could either push him or let him be pro-abortion. So I was just like, I mean, Matt. I thought you might actually push him. Look, I see people like Matt Walsh, and I'm like, yeah, some people shouldn't have kids. He shouldn't have been had and he shouldn't have.

So I'll let my pro-abortion Republican friend think that. Before we move on to some of the phone stuff, I do want to point out some boring things, but they are boring things that are happening that will greatly impact people over the next several decades, potentially, even if we get out of this OK and we're able to put some stuff back together. So Marco Rubio is restructuring the State Department.

He wants to eliminate 132 offices and 700 jobs. The remnants of USAID are going to be folded into the State Department, and it's unclear what work will be continued. FEMA still exists because Trump can't get rid of it on his own, but he is denying federal funds to places that have experienced natural disasters because he wants to shift the burden to state. Even he rejected Arkansas Governor Sarah Huckabee Sanders request for an emergency declaration after they experienced a series of tornadoes. She is asking him to reconsider. None of it makes sense. I'm sorry, I know we're going through this quickly, but this doesn't make sense. This is hurting your base here with that one. But also, I know we've talked about this in the past.

I don't, I just need to comment that there is, this creates a void internationally when you take away USAID around the world. There is a benefit to soft power. There is a benefit to it. Outside of it just being the right thing to do. Outside of just not helping people. Anyway, moving on, we're doing this part.

And also not to be snarky with it, but like millions of kids are gonna die because of it just being the right thing to do. Outside of just helping people. Anyway, moving on, we're doing this part. And also not to be snarky with it, but millions of kids are gonna die because of it. That's what I mean, outside of the fact that there is just literally the right thing to do. We have programs, we are helping people, and it does benefit the United States if you wanna look at it from that fucking angle. But yes, we're going through this quickly.

Also, disaster relief seems good. Whatever. The Health and Human Services Department, the FDA is being gutted. We're going to have a 19% decrease in its budget. The FDA is ending milk quality tests because who wants that? He's also RFKG. We're making our country healthy again, though.

God, it is. Go on, Jonathan. He's dismantling the Administration for Community Living, which oversees Meals on Wheels and other programs that help seniors and people with disabilities stay at home. And of course, the NIH is creating an autism registry. They are collecting private medical records from both federal and commercial databases

for the purposes of studying autism. That seems bad. Yeah, I want to pause real quick. That's that is bad. That's pretty fucked up. I know they're saying like, well, it's just to like, determine like the causes is for research. It's an autism registry. That is fucked up. That should be alarming to people, especially when RFKs up there talking about, you know, eliminating these causes or like framing autism generally as this like, this horrific thing that we need to eradicate from the world. And if, for example, something is like genetic, how do you get rid of that? How do you eliminate something like that?

Well, you wanna stop those people from having kids and so on. Like there's all this stuff that can emanate from what he's been talking about over the past few weeks and a lot of his career. And we'll see what continues, but that is a messed up thing. And here's a really interesting part of it because there was a clip this week

where he stood up there and he said, I don't remember hearing about ADHD or Tourette's syndrome or narcolepsy or autism when I was a kid. Thus they didn't exist and they must be, have been created by some sort of exposure afterwards. And we all know what RFK thinks the exposure is. But if he's wrong, it doesn't help

that the EPA is canceling tens of millions of dollars worth of grants for scientists who study the hazards faced by children in rural America who may be exposed to toxic chemicals. So if you are worried about exposure to toxins in the environment that might impact your health, he must be pretty pissed that that's happening and might wanna bring it up, right?

Jonathan, I think you're avoiding the real topic here, which is woke. Woke. I mean, this shit is all woke, like guilty. It's woke to look at the milk and to see if the chemicals are hurting the kids. The people who are checking the water pipes to make sure that they're not filling your child

with asbestos and anthrax, those people, they use pronouns. So you have to keep that in mind. So you cannot trust them. Pronouns and bio clown emoji. I and you and me never use pronouns. Also, just a quick note, this is sort of tangential, but this idea, it's so funny, but obviously him saying like,

well, I never heard of Tourette's when I was growing up. It was things discovered in like the 1800s. Discovered, like the first case was documented. And all these things definitely existed when he was a kid. Of course it did. I love this, cause there's this funny right wing thing specifically that is all like every right wing grievance, all these sort of problems everybody claims to have.

Usually if you like really drill down, it's, oh, you're not 12 anymore, and you wish you were. Life was so much simpler back during the 90s or the 80s or whatever decade you were a child in is how they view the world as a brighter time. It's like, well, no, you were 12 and you didn't know about the world and you didn't know, you just didn't live. And so you think it's carefree. You had no responsibilities. And then RFKs out here being like, I didn't know about the world and you didn't know, you just didn't live and so you think it's carefree. You had no responsibilities. And then RFKs out here being like, I didn't know about this when I was a kid.

Yeah, you were a kid, you didn't know about it. We weren't diagnosing people then, too. There is an uptick in people and research and understanding of these things and we were able to diagnose it. Yeah, I think it's funny whenever a right wing guy goes up there and is like, well, I was a kid. Yeah, you were a kid.

Well, you didn't know anything. We all have different experiences when we're a kid. Also in particular, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. had a way different experience pre-1968 than after 1968. Like notably, you can understand why he might have a nostalgia for his childhood and think things were messed up after that, but like, please don't take it out on all the children.

You know, the adult human body is a lot like a drunken octopus. They're both soft, they have some limbs, and are just aching for some fish oil. I lust for that fish oil every day. I've been banned from every aquarium in town, even this one. They have pictures of me posted up at the marina. I'm like the Charlie Manson of the ocean realm. But luckily, there's now AG1 omega-3, which is sustainably sourced from wild-caught small fish. God, I want that fish oil right now! Because we need that omega-3 to make our brains and hearts good, don't you know? And AG-1 omega-3 comes with a natural hit of lemon so you don't get any fishy aftertaste.

If you're into that, I mean personally, I will suck that oil right from the fish, right from their oil holes! But hey, at least I can take my omega-3 with a tall glass of AG-1. A sensible sip of a delicious drink. If you haven't tried AG-1, AG1? A sensible sip of a delicious drink. If you haven't tried AG1, I will chug it at the end. If you haven't tried AG1 yet, they're bundling it with their Omega 3s for free. So it couldn't be a better time to start. It's something I've actually been able to stay consistent with, and that's why I've been partnering with AG1 for so long. So subscribe today to get a one month supply of AG Omega 3

with your first AG1 order! You'll also get their welcome kit with everything you need to get started on your AG1 journey! So make sure to check out drinkag1.com slash more news to claim this special offer that's drinkag1.com slash more news, here it comes! And there it went! Goodbye. Heya, Tex! I've been angering a lot of baby elephants lately. It's just a thing I like to do on the weekends until I get bored with it. But the thing about elephants is that they always remember your face.

And that is why I use SimpliSafe to monitor my home. Their active guard outdoor protection lets me see if any suspicious large gray strangers are hanging around on my porch. It also lets me watch the birds and the squirrels. No enemies there. Yet. What makes their system unlike the others is that they are both easy to use and affordable. No long-term contracts or cancellation fees

and their plans start at just $1 a day. They even have a 60-day satisfaction guarantee. Because you know, you know, crime in America is down right now. And that's good. But I don't know, maybe there's a reason you might need extra security right now. Be that for elephant revenge or whatever. Fill in the blank. And right now our audience can get 50% off their new SimpliSafe system with professional monitoring and their first month free at SimpliSafe system with professional monitoring and their first month

free at SimpliSafe.com slash more news. That's SimpliSafe.com slash more news. There's no safe like SimpliSafe.com slash more news. All right. So here's what you've all been waiting for. White House briefing. Carolyn Levitt, press secretary. First question goes to Tim Pool.

Many of these organizations that are represented in this room have marked in lockstep on false narratives, such as the Very Fine People hoax, the Covington smear, and now what's being called the Maryland Man hoax, where an MS-13 gang member, adjudicated by two different judges, I believe, is just simply being referred to as a Maryland man over and over again. Now in an effort from the White House to expand access to new companies you've created this new media seat so I'm wondering if you can comment on

following this expansion you've had numerous outlets to disparage the companies that you've had sit here as well as the reporters. I'm wondering if you can comment on the unprofessional behavior, as well as elaborate if there's any plans to expand access to new companies. Did you not practice this, Tim? God. How is this a question?

It's awesome. This isn't an actual question. It's the best fucking question. This is a set up to rant about the media. It's so good. He's saying, why are your enemies bad? And like, why do you hate him? Could you like expound on like, why are your enemies bad? And like, why do you hate him? Could you like expound on like, why your perceived enemies are bad?

And then compliment me. Here's my opinion that I know you share. Here's the conclusion of that opinion. Do you have any comment? It's like, dude, I have a theory that the only reason he has not taken the beanie off is because the word incel is physically imprinted onto his forehead.

Can't show you. It's possible. He got pranked one day, and now he just can't. He just surgically added the beanie to his head. I need to, yeah, so this is, and we'll talk a little bit about this probably with the next clip, too. This is so funny to me, obviously for so many reasons.

And we can talk about why Very Fine People was not a hoax and why maybe if you live in Maryland for 14 years, referring to you as a Maryland man with a family is reasonable to do. But I love this because, and this sort of falls into sort of what we were talking about, about Gen Z and their sort of fickleness and sort of like oscillating back and forth

and your vibe checks. The right wing is so only only I mean, aside from like the cruelty and like they're like they're terrible policies of which they have very few actual policies, but it's all based on aesthetics. It's all that's all they care about. And I love this clip because it's Tim Poole in his little costume, right? He's wearing his costume, his costume of like, I'm in the streets. I'm like a new, I'm not like a modern, like I'm a modern, I'm not like,

Hunter S. Thompson, but like now, and I got my Google Glass, and like I got my, I dress like shit wherever I go. But his question is, why are you awesome? Why are you so good? Like, it's a state media question packaged in the aesthetics of like an anti-establishment rebel journalist, because all they have are aesthetics,

and it's so funny that he's just doing it. Okay, I can't, I have to no comment this, because I just got off of MSNBC dressed like this. I'm gonna be nailing it, you're fine. Because I'm just sick of these fucking people. You're in your early 20s, that's okay. He was at the White House. You're not Tim Poole.

He was at the White House. And he didn't dress up for the White House. I was looking like this, and then I was like, why does this look familiar to me? And if you're all familiar with Jason Todd from Batman, I realized that this was actually sort of a Jason Todd cosplay. Even your Jason Todd cosplay was much more presentable than what Tim Poole showed up as at the White House.

But I also think when you're in your 20s, you can be like, right, I'm representing a younger generation, I'm going to dress a little more casually for my media appearance. Whereas Tim Poole is like almost my age and I think there's a little bit less grace to to be honest with you guys Yeah, that's a costume because I don't dress like that. I wear athleisure pretty much every day. I dress I dress like a pregnant woman I have one really soft black. He wants that $5,000 but bonus

Yeah, and I wear like lululemon joggers that I get for my birthday and I just look kind of like shit So I send my friends pictures of me in the Jason Todd costume. I'm like, does this look like it's Gen Z? Yeah, have I dressed up accordingly? Tim Poole is dressed like, it's not just the outfit. It's also the way he's delivering this. He must be on some sort of really harsh upper, right?

I don't know. I think that's just his brain. We're gonna be woke and not speculate on that. Yeah. Well, we will wokenly not speculate on that. No, hey, I'm prescribed Adderall, and whether or not RFK makes it illegal, like, I take that before I do anything in the public so I can do something resembling focusing. I just think Tim might have too much.

I think maybe Tim should have prepared his question. Maybe he should have prepared his question. And maybe he should have thought about it and practiced it a couple of times. But great question, you know? It's so funny, like literally like the night that was posted, a friend of mine just texted, Jesus, Tim Poole, Jesus.

Yeah, way to hold bullshit to power or whatever the press is supposed to do. But maybe his second question will be really good. We'll see. Yeah, because speaking of vibes and how people seem only to operate on vibes with their political decisions, here's this clip we can watch. Yeah, this is a comedian and podcaster Andrew Schultz on What turned him? conservative, I think What made him vote Trump basically the side switch so much?

You know when I was younger like Democrats were cool. They were getting their dips sucked in the office They were like right there like they were like supportive of like hip-hop music They said do whatever you want like we don't want to be in your bedroom. They were cool with gay people. Like, it was cool to be a Democrat. Now conservatives got three baby mama. The president got three baby mama's. He's getting pussy left and right. Right.

He's cool. He's the one saying, say whatever the fuck you want. So now conservatives have become Democrats. So I don't think I've changed. I just like the dudes to get pussy and say whatever they want. So it's very you want me to be a Democrat again? Get some pussy, tell me to say whatever I want. I'm there. So this is a terrible joke.

Joke. I don't think he's making a joke. I don't think he's making a joke. No, no, no, but the phrasing of get some pussies, like as if Donald Trump is pulling pussy right now. I hate that word. I mean, he's having sex with Laura Loomer, which is really cool, right?

Really cool. But I think if you, and it is a repulsive glyph. If you pull back, I mean, he's saying, it's not cool to be a Democrat anymore. And I think that is something to unpack as to the why of it. I don't think it's about getting girls. It's not cool to be a Democrat anymore. And I think that is something to unpack as to the why of it. I don't think it's about getting girls. It's not cool to be any political party. Here's the thing.

It's not. It's not cool. Like you have these guys who are like, like Benny Johnson's out there talking about like, look at the aura of RFK. He's so aura. This is based. Like none of this is cool.

It's not cool to like be obsessed and like support politicians. Some people do it's fine, but it's this is cool. It's not cool to like be obsessed and like support politicians. Some people do it's fine, but it's not like cool. No, I know. Just the whole idea that, you know, these are the purveyors of the idea that it's punk rock to support Donald Trump now. That this is the new cool thing.

It's not cool, but that is the essence of this bullshit that we're seeing. Yeah, and again, and to my point earlier, it's just about aesthetics, apparently. Like, what do you mean you only care if you get pussy and say whatever you want? I thought, didn't Kamala Harris get attacked repeatedly for allegedly sleeping her way to the top

and fucking her way to her job. She's a woman, Cody. Is that cool? That's us. Is that not cool? Donald Trump is base. Also, he cited Bill Clinton, who I'm pretty sure, on another, I'm sure on other podcasts, Andrew Schultz has talked about what a weird pedophile rapist Bill Clinton is.

So it's just this weird tension of like, yeah, it was so cool when you did this, did this, but aren't you one of the big, we gotta see the Epstein list. Yeah, Clinton's on that. He's a rapist and pedophile. Yeah. So there's this tension of pretending to care

and know about stuff and go after these aesthetics when they're also contradictory to what you've said elsewhere. And you're it's just it's just empty meaningless loser shit. And then you have Pete Buttigieg on your podcast like three days later. And all he does is say like, yeah, we want this. We want this. We want this. We want we want to do this.

We don't think the Republicans should be doing this. And like they're shows like, oh, my God, wow, we're turning to libs in real time. You could have looked that up in a second. It's just like this, like you aren't engaged in this at all. It's only aesthetics, it's only for like the clips and the popularity it seems, because if you don't know anything now in like April, 2025, then you don't actually care about any of this stuff.

Yeah, I have to do something that is either yes, ending you or pushing back depending on what mood you're in, which is, yeah, it's definitely not cool to support Donald Trump and his crypto techno feudalist buddies, and there's nothing cool about that. And the bootleggers definitely think they're being punk rock. But I do think it is important to highlight how spectacularly people who share the types of values that I

tried to espouse have failed at seeming cool. Yes. I identify as one of the cooler people in my generation on my side of the aisle, and I spend two hours a day on the Game of Thrones subreddit. I am a theater kid who reads fantasy novels and is obsessed with Frasier, the sitcom from the 1990s. So if I'm one of your cooler guys,

if I'm what you've got in terms of people who look like they have a fucking social life, you're fucked. Like, it is, there is, there are so few people trying to make it seem like believing that our society should be taking steps forward towards equity for women and minorities and marginalized people as a whole. Nobody's trying to make that seem cool. So we can say, yeah, that is the punk rock thing. That is the cool thing. It is anti-establishment to be against Donald Trump. It's like, okay, well,

it is so clear that what we lost more than anything was the culture war. There has been a massive cultural shift to the right, and that's why we're flailing so hard. Obviously, everything's a mess politically in the Democratic Party. I don't want to diminish those absolute truths, but we've also spectacularly lost a culture war, and that means that we need to fight it,

um, which is why I currently work at the same place as Bill Kristol. Mm, exactly. No, I completely agree with you, and I don't think that any of us are disagreeing with watching that, and similar to post-election, saying like, yes, this and this. You're right, and Cody, you're right.

There's nothing cool about Donald Trump or his tech oligarchs or any of these people. And it is being framed as punk-rop, but at the end of the day, yeah, we have lost this culture war, at least for this moment in time. Because I also think they're gonna spectacularly flame out, burn out and like, you know.

Once they get control of the culture, it's gonna be terrible. It's already like unappealing. It's control of the culture, it's gonna be terrible. It's already like unappealing. It's part of the whiplash now that we have. It's not just political. Right, and I think some of it just sort of like, people need to see what was actually being said.

Cause like, you can say like, oh, they're like the Democrats, they're like establishment, all this kind of stuff. But like, what are they actually saying? Do you wanna see what that looks like? And we're seeing now what it looks like. And yeah, it's just like, I don't know, it's like watching that clip,

I'm like, this is like loser stuff. Like you don't even, do you even care? Do you even believe this, what you're saying? Because also he's like, oh, Democrats used to be cool with gay people. Are Republicans? What are you talking about? Aside from like, it's weird to just go off vibes

and this sort of false sense of like aesthetic coolness, but also all the actual points you're making are wrong. Like, on like a factual level, it's like a stupid viewpoint also, which is why I think it's harder to like, be that in this culture because you have to be honest, right? Like you, if you wanna be honest, you need to like say that in this culture because you have to be honest, right? Like if you wanna be honest,

you need to like say these things. You know, at least when us three that are normally on this show were growing up before your time, Cameron. When we were watching Frasier. When we were watching Frasier. Tuesday nights at nine. In real time.

That's right, on CTV. And you couldn't watch it anytime. You had to watch it when it was on. You're just gonna describe how. The right was moralizing. It always felt like they were like, you are bad if you aren't following our values, our religious thing, and they still have that.

But it felt like the right was moralizing and that everybody was reacting to that. So there was like, yeah, like, yeah, we fuck them, fuck that, maybe that's the essence of the coolness of the Democrats. And then for all the stuff we've discussed throughout this episode, and obviously that's switched to a degree.

Andrew, I don't know if you're paying attention, but you actually can't say anything you want. There are actually certain things you can't say, or you'll get deported or disappeared these days. So maybe they're actually not the party of saying whatever you want. I mean, it's like dudes like Andrew Scholes. It's so hard for me to understand how anybody thinks

that these people are worth listening to, because you've got this guy who looks like he's gotta be 40-plus years old, but he's dressed like a 20 year old influencer. There was a but there. I wasn't saying there's anything wrong with being 40 years old. I was saying, you know, people I am. We suck.

He chooses to dress like that. Cameron does. I'm not trying to be the fashion police, right? But it's like, you look like a fucking asshole. You are, there's a type of person who can have a mustache. I think a beard is more accessible than a mustache because it's like, okay, this person didn't shave, but a mustache is a choice.

A mustache is you're shaving everything except the mustache. And this guy has deemed himself worthy of a mustache. And if you take a look at him, he looks like a fucking tool. And he's wearing a bomber jacket that like a 25 year old, aspiring music manager would be wearing at a club who's got some allegations about him that he says are totally bullshit.

And he's got this necklace. Members only jacket. He looks like he thinks that he's so awesome. And listen, I had never heard Andrew Schultz's name until like yesterday when I saw a tweet and I saw him giving his like We did judge one No, I the one right before the Buddha judge one where he was saying why he went to the right and I was just like

Listen, I do think the Democrats are losing the war of cool But this guy is this guy is like not this this guy looks like such a dweeb I kind of want to pick him up by the ankle and shake him to get some lunch money I guess what I'm also saying is that they're more of that, the dweebness of it. I think that that ultimately comes around to bite them in the ass. I do.

We're not there yet, but it's seeing him. And yeah, you're right. He is a tool. Yeah, it's just like, well, it's just like, this is kinda, this is like corny and cringy. But like, if you think those things, if you think those things are cool, like I guess I'm glad that we're not.

Like, you're talking about like rapists. Donald Trump's a rapist. But Quentin assaulted that woman. It's crazy that he's like, oh, he's getting pussy. It's like, no, he's claiming to be grabbing them by it. It's like, how are you characterizing this guy as a player when he's very clearly a predator? Bill Clinton, the rapist, was cool as well.

Yeah. And I'm all for him having Pete Buttigieg on and being like, wow, this is the first I've heard about anything. That sounds good. And yeah, I'm good with him listening to these people and maybe being a little more informed, but it's just like, again, it's like this aesthetic. Thank goodness that Pete had a beard slightly on the podcast

because he looks like, oh, we're like just podcasting around. He's really good. He's doing that. And because there was a clip like a week ago of Schultz talking to somebody else, some tech oligarch and saying like, yeah, if the Republicans announced, you know,

no income tax at all for anyone making $150,000 or less, they would, the midterms would blow up. And it's like, yeah, I guess. Are they gonna do that? Is there any world where Republicans do that for like people making a hundred thousand dollars or less? So it's just like this, this you're not paying enough attention to these like institutions and mechanisms and the people you're being influenced by to be able to talk about it.

But I do encourage learning. So I'm glad that Pete told him all the readily available information about the world. I'm happy that Pete's doing it. I'm glad that there's somebody willing to go into these spaces and can have a conversation. Pete makes the case better than Kamala would have. I think we can easily say that. 100%.

And I like the beard, Pete. It's working for you. Sorry, before we end, I want to point out one other thing. We've frequently on this show, I think with Good Cause, been critical of Democrats who refuse to retire in their 80s. So I want to take a moment to thank Senator Dick Durbin and Representative Jan Shkowsky for being 80 and saying they're not going to run again,

to pave the way for new blood in an example imagine being 80. Um, yeah You guys could probably have a slightly easier idea imagining it than I can I think so But even that that's double my life. Listen here. I'm tired I wanted to let one swing in before we And that's double my life. I wanted to let one swing in before we stopped. I appreciate it. No, you're right, it's fair. I'm 40.

I'm 40! I did need a good cry today, you're right. So we'll go off and do that. Yeah, so thank you. Thank you. Retiring dinosaurs on this Dueling Dinosaurs Day for what you're doing. How nice.

For not dueling us. What a nice way to wrap this up. Cameron, it has been wonderful to have you on the show. I know you've got a lot of appearances coming up and we appreciate you taking the time. Can you please plug, this is coming out tomorrow, so if there's anything in the near future you want to plug or your show, whatever, tell our listeners where to find you.

So we've got a podcast at a network called Bullwark who any allegations made about any former presidents Whatever, tell her, listen to her to find you. So we've got a podcast at a network called Bulwark, who any allegations made about any former presidents on this podcast is not a reflection of the Bulwark's beliefs. I think that's what I'm supposed to say. But we have a show called FY Pod, which is supposed to be a play on FYP, the For You page.

I hate the title. I think that's terrible. I just got it. Especially since- title. I think that's terrible. Especially since... I just got it. Especially since... Yeah, I just got it too. When MSNBC and CNN introduced me when I'm doing my talking shit there, they call it the 4U pod, which it seems to have gotten lost in translation that it's FY pod. Yeah, it's too clever.

It's listed as FY pod. So if anybody happens to be watching mainstream media and wants to subscribe to our podcast and they type in, for you, pod, they're not going to fucking find it. So if anybody's listening to this, we have FYPod on the bulwark and we have a separate channel because only certain types of content that I make are appropriate for bulwark's largely older subscriber base. We're working on building a young audience. And other than that, you know, I have social media, but I'm posting about like dumb shit and my friends, so I'm

not going to plug that. Uh, thank you guys. Thank you, everybody. Thank you, Katie. Thank you too. Oh my gosh. Thank you for thanking me. And you're welcome. Hey. Thank you. Real quick. What the fuck?

We love you very much. Oh, much. This is a story that begins with a dying wish. One thing I would like you to do. My mother's last request that my sister and I finish writing the memoir she'd started about her German childhood. When her father designed a secret super weapon for Adolf Hitler.

My grandfather, Robert Lusser, headed the Nazi project to build the world's first cruise missile, which terrorized millions and left a legacy that dogged my mother like a curse. She had some secrets. Mom had some secrets. I'm Suzanne Rico. Join my sister and me as we search for the truth behind our grandfather's work and for the first time, face the ghosts of our past. Geez, who is he? Listen to The Man Who Calculated Death. Available now wherever you get your podcasts.