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Episode Date: December 19, 2025

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Hi, in today's episode, we talk about Trump's address to the nation. Susie Wiles' incredible admissions in Vanity Fair and the end of Dan Bongino's eventful, I guess, tenure at the FBI. Hello and welcome back to, Even more news, the first and only news podcast. Woo! Okay. I'm Katie Stoll.

I'm, Woo! Cody Johnston. Hello. Hello, Cody Johnston. Wow. Oh, gosh, guys. We're closing out the year strong because we have such a good guest, our very own head writer, our beloved David, David, David, Christopher Bell. Call the Esquire Doctor.

The guy. As you say, an expired rice cake before this. How was that? It was delicious. I feel like that would be fine. Did it taste stale or did it just say it was expired? Slightly expired. Yeah, according to the rice cake, it was expired.

Those are guesses. It's fine. Yeah. Well, now it really is expired. Oh, that's true. Oh, that's true. You have expired. Jonathan is also here.

Hi. Yeah. I don't get to do this I already said it before Jonathan I really liked your take on the Netflix merger stuff That's all I'm going to say We already mentioned it before Go listen to it, download more podcasts

More podcasts for everybody The point being that sometimes Netflix movies are good When they can't Yeah occasionally Occasionally Occasionally Again gray man red notice I could go on

It's one of the least bad outcomes Of potential mergers I would say not that I'm thrilled with the state of things This is our last show Of the year That's true

Oh it's because We're really close To the end of the year That's also true We're all really looking forward To having a little bit Time off That's also true

We could just coast for this We could just sit in silence True Would you guys find that interesting? We could Why don't we do that? Just do us a favor guys Like let us just

You know Chill out My friend has a saying that she likes to use when she's tired or been talking all day with people interacting too social she goes, I'm just I'm out of words.

I'm gonna kind of feel that way. I'm out of words. There are no avant-garde podcasts. We could really be trendsetters here by mixing it up and not talking. Yep. There are podcasts designed specifically to fall asleep to

where it's people like kind of mumbling and like talking really low about stuff that doesn't go anywhere. specifically to like there's one called sleep with me yeah but there's that that thing that tickling the brain ASMR ASMR we could do that oh god breaking news folks Donald Trump just die we just lost 12,000 subscribers you guys what the hell speak louder now 14,000 subscribers yeah obviously it is the holidays but I'm not going to wish you a merry whatever of those.

We've got other holidays to celebrate. Friday, December 19th, National Emo Day. It's a weird time of year to shove that one in, huh? Yeah. Also, by definition, they don't want a day celebrating, right? No, like the emo's. They would reject that. Yeah.

They'd be like, no, leave me alone. I don't want your holiday. Curious what you guys think about this, because the examples they gave of emo songs. are interesting. We've got the middle by Jimmy Eat World notoriously poppy, right?

Say It ain't so by Weezer. Would you consider that? No, it's not. It's not emo, Jonathan. That's not emo. I mean, I'll defend that maybe Pinkerton is a progenitor of some emo stuff.

But I wouldn't say that say it ain't so is emo. Absolutely not. No. It's not emo. I don't know this one for want of by Rights of Spring. I don't know that one. but then the next one

in circles by Sunny Day Real Estate Sunny Day Real Estate I would classify as emo. That is perhaps the only thing on that list. I would also throw in their dashboard confessional. I was going to say why didn't they mention dashboard confessional? It's so obvious. Maybe even bright eyes. Happy your hair is everywhere day.

Screaming infidelities. How do you guys know so much about emo? I only know that. I was pretty, I was kind of emo. I was 18, 25 years ago. I was posing as emo. I was, I think, I think that I tried on different identities when I first got to college. I remember going to shows

because I'm just going to see you lots of shows, lots of emo shows. I remember trying to like, but I, my version of emo is that I put on a bow tie or something and I got made fun of. That was that a... That seems like you're doing... That might have even...

I actually think that was at a dashboard confessional show. I was going to say that's more of a tweet sort of vibe than emo. It was tweet, but I was trying to get into that group. I was never I was never

I was aware of dashboard confessional Your hair That's the one Everywhere Mm-hmm Please tell me You're just feeling time

You guys know so much about emo Sorry We're trying to celebrate the holiday The apology This one dovetails right into the next one That we have also 1219 It's National Underdog Day I would say

The Emo's are the underdogs at least in the terms of getting the girl. That's true. Yeah. I mean, I tried to give them this girl, but they said, no way, take that bow tie off. It is the bow tie. It was definitely the bow tie. And there's actually nothing about me that's emo.

I'm too excitable. It's a real end of the year vibes, you guys. This is a real last day of school vibes. Because I'm out of words. We've got so much to talk about, though. We really do. And I don't want to. I really don't want to, but.

We don't have to. It's kind of what. people are here for i think i think so i mean never mind don't let me don't make me don't make me force us into news all right fine jonathan tell us what you want to talk about sorry sorry the news

what a grinch we should start with uh was that that was not a mandate until you showed up okay well yeah katy showed up and was like where the fuck is everybody's christmas i think we talked about this in my head before this no we talked about it okay we did All right, I didn't, I didn't want to have to say this. We talked about it.

In the show, we just recorded before we're recording this. We just did a show that's going to come out on January 2nd, so we don't have to record a show on January 1st because I'm going to be hungover. Not these two, apparently, just me. However, that's beside the point. On that show, I was wearing a different shirt. And I explicitly said, for you two and for everybody at home who will bear witness that I was going to change costumes towards things. You did say that. You said, I'm going to change clothes.

And then Jonathan, you said, oh, should I? And Cody, you suggested that you were also going to change. I did. It was a bit Christmas. For the record. And I guess we can go back to the tape to hear this. But I remember you saying, I'm going to change clothes. And I was like, oh, should I?

And then you're like, and Cody was like, I might change clothes. And then I said, you know what? I'm not going to. And verify when you watch that, you'll see that I'm wearing this. And that was kind of the conversation. There was only about Christmas. Everyone used to wear Christmas. Nothing was brought up about dressed like Christmas.

I'm doing it because of Christmas. Or maybe you should do Christmas. I am not a tyrant. I do not. Brand new. The emo band. No, what's not brand new information is that I would be wearing Christmas and that you were aware that I was going to wear Christmas.

Dave. You didn't say Christmas. I'm interested. Dave, you didn't say Christmas. I said holiday, I'm sure. Dave, you are not implicated in this. all you know what i'm i'm joining katy's side oh thank you yeah wow you want to know the best part about all this is we're 10 minutes into this recording and our regular editor is already off

on vacation we have a backup editor today which means all this is staying i was gonna say ordinarily this would be like three minutes better this is important jonathan what happened what's going on yeah so So on Wednesday night, Donald Trump gave a little address to the nation. Everyone's like, oh, are we going to war with Venezuela? What big an act? Because, you know, when you do an address to the nation and you preempt television, you break into prime time, you have a big announcement.

But this was about 20 minutes where he did the normal stuff, and he just talked about how great a job he's doing. I inherited a mess. We're the hottest country in the world. Immigrants and Somalians especially are bad, apparently. transgender for everybody nobody's paying for anything you're getting Christmas gifts

for free this year nobody thought we could do it yeah no one else could do this but me and also we're giving 1.45 million service members a he framed it as a tariff dividend of $1,776

each but apparently that was money that was already congressionally appropriated from the big beautiful bill that was going to go to some sort of service member housing program that is now just being rebranded as money Trump is giving to the troops.

So, this, God, this, this, so I, the energy of this was like a debate rebuttal, you know what I mean? Where it was like someone told him, like, we don't have much time, go. And it starts with him immediately going, like, I inherit, he does he say like, hello? He says, like, good evening or something.

Right. And then he just dives right in. Blast into this. Or my fellow Americans. Yeah, you're right. It's a debate rebuttal vibes. I mean, before. Yesterday we were talking, what do you think it's going to be?

This is what I thought it was going to be. I thought it was going to be him actually getting up there and just trying to make a case as to why you should be loving your president going into Christmas. Let me just remind everybody of all the things that I've done. But I also think the rest of nature, I can't help but think part of that has to do with the fact that he isn't out the juice. They're like, before he like passes out on stage, get through it. or they gave him a quick B-12 stimmy shot or something get out there

you've got 30 minutes before this fairs and things yeah there's a tip off this is going to last 20 minutes tops that this was going to be nothing aside from like the pattern that he does this semi regularly

at one point during the day Tucker Carlson was like I've got insider information and he's going to declare war with Venezuela and I saw that I was like oh so it's nothing there's nothing going on there's nothing amazing there's nothing this was it was mind numbingly nothing it was like what why are they like is he like required to do this

around this time of year is this like a stay of the unit stitch where it's like well you got to say something you got to say so like um it's sort of like don't say anything at all yeah it's it also i think i mean you know they are we are gonna he really wants to do war with venezuela we'll get to we'll get to that um and we'll get to this other thing which i think part of it is this fanity fair piece that we'll talk about and just like the general damage control of very unpopular everyone's talking about this they think we're going to go to war with Venezuela

which we want to do for the oil but also some of our supporters are like we don't want to go to war all this sort of stuff I think it's just alter defensive I got to go out there when did he announce it the day before like Tuesday afternoon it was like President Trump will give a Wednesday night address to the nation

it could have been also epstein files but i do have some thoughts on that that i don't know i've got mixed thoughts on the susy wilds piece but yeah epstein files coming out um just all confluence of just all these sort of things that indicate that you're not very popular and you're not doing well and you can say a plus plus plus as much as you want but people aren't buying it um because it's too expensive uh so this could have been a true social post in all caps truth social like And it is just him going, like, everybody's wrong, this, we're doing great. Everything's great.

Obviously, they were like these exhausted, like, I looked up the fact checks and it's all people like, hey, let's go through this. And of course, it's like, yeah, no, this isn't true, this isn't true. This is technically true. This isn't true. And it's like, you know, yeah, like. The vibes of the beginning of this podcast. Yeah.

We were all having a great time. That's true. He shows up. Like, why is everyone not wearing Christmas colors? I told everyone before my speech Christmas colors. Check the tape. Actually, sir, we have the tape. No, you don't.

We have the tape you slept. That was you sleeping. I do think that he likes attention. And it tends to go okay for him either, even if it goes poorly, people talk about it. And then he likes people talking about him. He likes to be just to have people's, he likes to have people's attention in person. and the reaction online, et cetera. However, I don't think very many people watched.

Oh, no, I think it's boring. So I don't know how YouTube works, but it's less than half a million views. On the official White House? Yeah, on the official White House one, which I was like, that's like less than like the Street Fighter trailer. Like, it's just weird. I mean, I don't know how this one goes.

Right? Yeah, exactly. They're watching ABC, NBC and this interrupted the Survivor finale, I guess. don't know if they pushed it back or if it just came right i think the reason he might have been going quickly is because since they announced this the day before and they're like we promised the networks it'll be less than 30 minutes and so he's like okay i don't have the time for my usual stuff and he blew through it in 19 minutes where he's just like scream shouting at everyone now back to survivor yeah that's a good theory he took a breath like 13 minutes in like i

was genuinely impressed when it was like it was like a like a weird like free association just like stream of consciousness where he was not breathing it really does seem like it's like mr president we we gave you the thing now go out there go go go go get through it we did this for you matt walsh said it was the most pointless presidential address in modern history it's either it's pointless and why did you do that or nobody even like watched it or paid attention Because once you realize, like, oh, because I wasn't watching it live because, again, Tucker was like, we're doing war with Venice Wales. Like, okay, so it's like some bullshit. Like, I don't need to watch it live.

Right. Then you realize, oh, it's just him talking. And so no one's going to watch or care or react unless it's your job to fact check him. And then here we are. I just feel like it's like, well, good. I hope you had fun, sir. It's weird because it was so, it was so, like, do you think there was like something that fell through where they're like, Mr. President. we found like alien life

we gotta get this thing and then like 30 minutes before they popped up they were like oh it was a prank Mr. President we just learned it was a prank and he's like all right throw something together I don't give a shit what that new guy we hired at NASA we screwed this one up sir

A community note just got published it's fake it's an RNA sequence we really got to inject it in everyone's brains right away what we're or is he like watching Survivor and he's like you know what I don't like how this season's going I'll give him some better reality TV I think I would imagine he says it always my approval ratings will go up it'll

get better you just need to get me on a camera in front of people people love me do it do it and people are like sir I don't think that's a good idea sir you're barely alive sir survivors on people love survivor they resent people that take survivor off the air to do pointless speeches sir that's my theory yeah he's right that ultimately he makes every single goddamn thing about him So why would he, like, interrupt Survivor to, like, be like, hey, remember me? Everybody look at me for no reason. He had that fun 1776 check idea. Wanted to get that out there.

Yeah. You know what number is like Stephen Miller handed him. And he's like, I'm not doing that. Yeah. I've Googled it already, Miller. Yeah, he's like, I'm pretty sure the country started like 300 years after that. He's like, no, no, no. This is an important date in American history.

He's like, I don't know. I feel like this is medieval. I don't remember it from school. The number I know. We're going to do that one. Can we make it for 6-7 hit the youth vote back? Elon's back there being like, I've got a number you could use. Yeah.

Let's do that. Yeah, let's talk about that. A couple of days ago, Vanity Fair published a two-part profile of Donald Trump's core team, the chief of staff, Susie Wiles, J.D. Vance is there. Stephen Miller, Marco Rubio, on and on. But the profile really became about Susie Wiles because she said some very candid things that no one expected her to say. Things like Trump has an alcoholic's personality, that he said it a million times.

I judge people by their genes. That J.D. Vance has been a conspiracy theorist for a decade and that his switch to MAGA was political. A Russell boat is a right-wing absolute zealot. There's a lot of stuff in here. Was she coming out of, like, dental surgery or something? And they're like, oh, we got to talk to her. During all 11 interviews that she conducted.

Wow. She's just sowing her wild oats. Yeah. No, it's either a scaramucci thing where she really thought she was off the record in some of these things. But people don't think it's that because she's a shrewd political operator. Yeah. Like, this writer, Chris Whipple must have really, like, you know, just kind of, uh, well, what's the phrase I'm thinking for? like soothed her nerves

or they got super comfortable and she just felt really comfortable sharing it's so interesting it's pretty fascinating the whole thing it's fucking wild um the things that she said it's very wild the things that she said the photographs we'll get into the

photographs but it is her to imagine that this was just that they just snuck one over on her um you know everyone's framing it in the administration is going out of their way to to back up susy wilds and for now anyway frame this as a hit piece but it's all stuff that she said but it also makes it feel like maybe there's a world where she did know what she was doing um when you read it i i don't know

i don't know because by all accounts that she's an incredibly shrewd political operative has been for a very long time when you read it it's it's what's fascinating is she says these things but she doesn't intend them to come across I don't get that impression anyway as critical it's like just matter of fact like yeah yeah he's a really obsessive and manic about stuff the way an alcoholic is he's you know like yeah Elon Musk does ketamine but you know and that's part of his genius is what he is and you know and she's just frank about it um you know I've seen some speculation that this oh oh also the Epstein part of it saying like yeah he's in there she does say that like and I guess we'll see this when this comes out but she says like Trump's in the file we know he's there he's not in there doing anything awful and then she said that Trump was lying basically when he said that Bill Clinton visited the island 28 times she said there's no evidence that there was anything incriminating about Clinton in there as well way of getting that information out there is I guess what I'm saying while framing it to them in a way like like he didn't do anything bad he's just in the file

a bunch of times getting that information out there I don't know I don't know it's so fucking odd It's weird Almost strategic where it's like Be very honest about a bunch of things So that you seem like

Okay but then they're ahead of the spin It's like yeah It's a genius I don't know but when I think about this It's hard for me to understand How somebody can grant 11 interviews And be totally blindsided It just doesn't seem

or it's for vanity fair specifically it's odd like you know that they're not going to be like oh my god the the slick amazing trump administration in this profile uh so it's a odd choice yeah right and or she doesn't give but she does and they all agreed to it they all want to be in the magazine right so we haven't talked about the photographs the photographs i think our works of art the extreme close-ups they're showing all all the imperfections and the quiet moments where you'll almost see Marco Rubio's soul leaving his body. They're very reflected. They're, they're incredible. This photographer, he did like Mark Zuckerberg once. I think I've seen his, he's done a lot of celebrities. And to his credit, every picture you ever takes, like you're saying,

humanizes the people, including these freaks. Like, where it's like he's taking very weirdly humanized photos of these people. people who, you know, I don't, I'm not even sure deserve that, you know. There's this one thing, this one, um, quote from the photographer, but it is essentially of him with Stephen Miller. And, uh, you know, Stephen Miller didn't know if he should smile or be serious or what's the energy in the photographer's like, just let's do a mix of both. And as he's leaving, Stephen Miller goes, you know, you've, you've got.

the power to be nice here. The exact quote is, you know, you have a lot of power and the discretion you use to be kind to people and the photographer says, he looks at him and says, you know, you do too. Nice.

And I think that's such a cool moment, but an interesting thing to include and feedback about this whole process, he had the forethought to say, like, you know, you get to do what you want with these photos. You've got a lot of power here. He's acknowledging that in the room, and yet they didn't request approval

of the photo. for this piece, all of that feels a little odd to me. Vanity Fair would not have agreed to this if they got to choose what made it and what did. Also, there's an element that, you know, Stephen Miller knows that they can kind of,

you know, galvanize their base against the media in any situation. So that's, there's also the sense of like, yeah, they're going to do like a hit piece and we'll use the fact that they did hit piece to like go after them, you know? Yeah. Because like they surely knew

that it wasn't going to be a glowing profile of them so why do it yeah i i do think like it does even not just the photography but the agreement to do these the pictures is humanizing because it's them saying like we want to be the cool kids too we want to do the cool artsy shit yeah um we want to and it establishes them as a as like it's weird to have to say this but as like a serious group of people who matter where it's like, you know, see, we're like, you know, we're like the Obama administration too. They're a unit, they're a team and they've got personalities. Part of the pop culture where, um, meanwhile, I think Vanity Fair has, it's had the vibes

of them being like, this is going to be valuable 50 years from now when the shit settles. And it's like, it feels like them almost like, I think someone described it that way. It's like, it feels like a historical piece done currently. There is a photo of gerbils taken back then. that is very similar to one of these Stephen Miller photos. It's thought that it might be intentionally. Maybe not. It's just like a black of white photo

where you're leaning a certain way, but it's... It's very similar composition of the shot. Miller's like... Or Miller is like, oh, you're doing the gurbles. You're going for the gurbles? Yeah, you're doing that gurbles. Even the shadow on the face and the tilt of the...

Is that the first time you're seeing it, Cody? Yeah. Yeah. This comparison. It's hard to see that being an accident. I think one of the most embarrassing quotes or sections in this two-part piece that I didn't really see kind of rise above when people were talking about it on social media or when it was being written about in other articles was about what Elon did to USAID.

She told Chris Whipple, the guy interviewing her, she says that at first she didn't grasp the effect that slashing USAID programs would have on humanitarian. age she said i didn't know a lot about the extent of their grant making and then when asked about like how they tried to stop it and how she called frantically called marco rubio to try to put a stop to what elon was doing chris whipple asked her about the president's role in this and she said the president doesn't know and never will he doesn't know the details of these smallish agencies which feels like a miraculous admission that you the chief of staff and he doesn't know what this thing that you were slashing did

and of course now we know that they're mass murderers like Elon is a mass murderer they all are they're like shielding him and they were being told at the entire time I do get the vibe of maybe

she's throwing Elon under the bus because he's extremely expendable to them because her being like yay this is ketamine and like you know it was a plausible of all these people die that's the one quote that she's flat out denied saying

about his ketamine use but they have it on recording yes exactly she's like i didn't say that i wouldn't know and then they played for the new york times like well here it is has elin commented on that no i he's busy replying a nazis on his website it's so funny because i think her quotes of him really sum up but like her being like the quote where she says about him in a sleeping and a sleeping bag and the executive officer and she says he's an odd duck uh but you know that's that's what geniuses are like it's not helpful but he's his own person

I think that's all the quotes where it's like yeah he's kind of sucks he's like shitty but you know they're like genius that's the thing she's still trying to be diplomatic

even as she's like well he's real piece of shit because people hate him we didn't want him there he's annoying yeah they're like you know like Doc Brown was a genius too

you know these weirdos I mean he's not helpful and he just do anything and he kind of killed a lot of people but who's just you know he's a genius who's just like the yeah the phrase

is he's not helpful, so funny. I think that Susan, while, she's been around for a while, right? She feels like she's like the figurative or, I don't know, literal genie that granted Trump his power. Like, I feel like she's holding him together more than

everybody knows. 100% she is. And I feel like it's a combination she doesn't give a fuck. But also, I think this is like, because Trump reality TV show, boss guy, she doesn't go after Trump that much here. I think this is just shit that Trump probably doesn't care about.

Trump's like, yeah, you can fucking say that about J.D. Vance. I don't give a shit. Yeah. Like, she's just... That weirdo? Go ahead. Yeah. Like, I think she just knows him well and is probably, like, knows like, no, he's not

going to get rid of me. Like, I, I, like, she's secretly Epstein in a mask. She's not very, like, known. Like, if we think about, like, Trump's first term, like, the chief of staff was, like, more prominent and like she does seem just sort of like no I'm back here I'm keeping it together you barely know I'm here

but I'm I've got my hands and all this I think she's holding that chip together I think that they cannot afford to lose her especially not right this moment but I don't I don't all the stuff she knows apparently

in the show that will come out later in the new year that we just recorded We talked about how predictions were the new year, but we were talking about how a lot of people, as opposed to Trump first term, we haven't had a lot of people leave or get fired yet. And I think that she probably has a lot to do with that, keeping things intact and keeping things. Keeping things looking normal. Just from what I've learned about her in this past week. I also think it's possible that maybe she knows that Trump at this point, like maybe he's doing worse than we realize.

You know, maybe she's like, oh, he's not going to read this. he has no idea what's going on you know like it might be that feeling of her like oh it doesn't fucking I'm safe it's fine well right yeah the president doesn't know that part's correct and never will what do you mean he never will

like he'll know what happens right because he can read the papers and see the TV he can I guess not he's just watching Fox News and no one tells him anything and he never will so weird too because like you could tell him shouldn't he know yeah he's the president shouldn't he doesn't know and never will but shouldn't he

is the question like that's the thing like how could you say that to a reporter when we're all pretending that he's the decider he's just but no he's like absent

like Russ Vote is destroying the the bureaucracy you know Kennedy's going wild on health or whatever Trump said like these guys are just

running the country Rubio and Vance are I guess in Heggseth preparing for war Miller's doing yeah Miller's doing his thing

you know yeah it's like when we've known that and it's been clear and like we've sensed it for a long time obviously but it is kind of striking to see her say it that like yeah he doesn't know he's like kind of on autopilot he does his little speech quickly and then that's that I'm surprised she's not next to him during some of these interviews like look I'm going to flick his ear I'm flicking his ear he doesn't know he can feel that just doing routine next to him dumping water on him. Real quick, I did want to point out one more thing she said,

which is, again, it's sort of like weird back and forth thing she's doing. She said if Vance chooses to run in 2028, she'd be one of the first people to support him. But she also said he's a conspiracy theorist who is cynically changing his political views for like personal gain. So like, what does that say about you?

There's a career politician, I think there's a mentality of, and I certainly hope this doesn't come out as defending that, but there is a certain mentality in especially old school politicians, political people that are like, yeah, I do what it takes for my party or my job. Right. This is work. It's not, I check some of my personal grievances because I'm my civic duty is that I'm. am showing up to serve my country, blah, blah, blah. That's some weird justification.

Yeah. But it's just like, is it serving your country to like support a conspiracy theorist who you know is full of shit? I would say, right? But it is, you're right, Katie, where it's a job. Like, I think about actors who will do these promo runs of like, I think it's my best film ever. And then in regular interviews, they're like, oh, I don't watch any of my movies.

Or like, you know, they're like, I loved working with this person behind the scenes. Exactly. is a prick where it's just like yeah you say the things you say like it's it's why we're so fucked right like in this situation where it's like yeah they're all just having lunch together and hanging out and then they're like all right let's get out there yeah tend to care about stuff well it is like she gets over things that like that ordinary people like us might not be able to get over like she wanted him to get all the retribution the illegal retribution out of his system within 90 days and then he kept going and she's like ah what are you going to do she didn't

want him to like pardon the most violent uh january 6th offenders and then she goes well i guess i got on board because they've all been sentenced to longer than the guidelines would have suggested which is not true but that you know and then i right she but she like wants to set the record straight like i'm against the january 6 pardons i'm against the retribution i was against liberation day vance and i tried to stop him from doing that and he did it anyway oh I got nothing to do with me. But I'm also for it and it's good. But ultimately at the end of the day, my, right, I'm for it and it's good.

But the justification, the mentality is, I'm doing my job. I pushed back. I spoke up and expressed my concerns. And apparently she did. That's something. It's not that it matters or listens, but, you know, according to her, she did. She's definitely doing like a job interview. It feels like here, like, I don't know.

As this continues, we've gotten more and more of that vibe of people like, I got to get all my ducks in a row. Look what a great job I am at keeping this disaster afloat. Right? Like I can, like this shouldn't be working, but it is thanks to me. I would like to know if like

most of these big revelations came out in the more recent interviews or if she was saying this stuff back in January and February. It like goes through a little bit. Yeah. Being that I wanted to say when we're speculating about the approval of this piece, et cetera, was

the timeline in January they're feeling good exactly exactly we are the hot new team yeah invite vanity fair cruel kids table stuff when was that yeah when was that one piece that came out with all the sexy photos of the young

conservative the cruel kids table oh the cruel kids table that's what you said yes yeah they were feeling themselves twas the night before Christmas and all through the dwelling not a Katie could find a good gift that's been selling then an idea emerged, which made me feel wiser in the form of a very adept advertiser.

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why don't we spend the rest of the time going through things a little little quicker a little quick style from our man Jonathan oh me shit okay Yeah, so quick on these ACA subsidies, the Affordable Care Act subsidies are still set to expire at the end of the year. That means that 22 million Americans who get tax credits as part of their ACA plan will see their premiums go up. An average of 114% is the increase, some by thousands of dollars. Speaker, Mike Johnson, was just kind of set to let this go by and not really talk about it as much, but four Republicans the other day. joined Democrats and signing on to Hakeem Jeffrey's discharge petition to force a vote on the subsidies. That vote's going to come in January. If it passes, it's going to die in the Senate unless there's a lot of pressure on them to start it up again. So most of these people will still

see their premiums go up quite a big deal. But it is a hit to Mike Johnson's leadership that he couldn't wrangle the whole party. He said he hasn't lost control. He said he's still powerful and I got to believe him I gotta well I saw him on that Katie Miller podcast he seems really trustworthy and like a real guy like a normal guy normal person

men's brains are like waffles terrified of this to see the reality of what this looks like in the fallout people some of these depending in your state depending on where you live and your household to have your monthly payment

shoot from $600 to 2,000 or some of these I'm terrified for myself. I'm terrified for all of us. Yeah, according to the president last night, Democrats are demanding steep increases in health care premiums, so the American people are really...

I guess just say it's their fault. It's so infuriating. He just said it. He's just like, yeah, they want it. Who said that? Trump last night in this speech. Oh, of course you said that. Democrats are demanding steep increases

in health care premiums. With Trump, it's like, I don't even get a shit what he says at this point, where it's like everybody sort of knows what he is, right? Where even his supporters must at this point where They know and they like it. There's literally one person that I know

of IRL and they're not It's somebody I know's relative. That's all I'm going to say. Okay. It's the craziest bad shit things about Democrats and just regurgitating Trump stuff and it's so nauseating that it does work on some people.

But I still maintain that the vast amount of most people have been juggling. Yeah, he says weird shit. I in the prize, whatever. Inflation needs to come down. Like that idea, like, you can't really believe a fucking thing going out of his mouth, anything like. Well, yeah. Also, I mean, there's this, we didn't show this clip in our little clip episode that we did. But there is a clip of Gutfeld talking about this dynamic.

and how, well, you know, yeah, he said this. I think it was in context of the Reiner tweet or truth or whatever. And I think the thing is, you don't have to like the things that he says all the time. It is why in my filter, Trump is always words versus deeds. I don't have to like what he says. In fact, I can hate what he says, but I can also think in his brain, he's going, this guy compared me to Hitler. He put a target on my back.

I don't like him. It's like, well, if it were me, I'd go like, but I'm sorry he's dead. but he can't let that go. We don't have to like it. I just look at the deeds. Don't listen to what he says. Only what he does is evil. All the stuff every week.

We talk about twice a week. What he does is evil. Yeah. Anyway. Okay. Another, we were supposed to go quickly. What else happens? Jonathan.

Yeah. Let's do the weed one now before I forget. Because of all the weed you're smoking. Oh, you know it, baby. You know it, baby. That's not the kind of thing I say on here. That's cool. All this reefer, what do they call it these days?

There he is. Trump signed an executive order on Thursday to fast track the reclassification of cannabis. This would allow the FDA to start studying it for medicinal uses for the first time. It doesn't decriminalize or legalize it across the board, but it gets people more access to CBD and stuff like that. Already got it, baby. Kind of feels like a... Cup on screen. A Hail Mary or a Hail Mary Jane, if you will, to try to get people to like him.

Because that's what the kids are calling it. A last ditch weed effort. Oh. Yeah. It does feel to me like most of the people who really like cannabis can get it legally or easily these days. So it doesn't feel like this is going to be as big a win as it would have been 15 years ago. There's two things the president can do. I think at this point that will interest.

me legal like just say it's done it's legal legal it's like it's like booze or get high on national television yeah one or the other just like go like my fellow americans i'm gonna smoke this joint for what reason no reason i just thought it would be funny um it's one or the other you can't do anything else that it doesn't matter i mean not we but our last two presidents have 100% been high on camera multiple times oh yeah yeah oh and you can go If one of them wants to do meth or something, that would be interesting, too. So Donald Trump and Joe Biden were high on camera multiple times. I don't know what exactly, but stuff.

I would argue most of them have been high just because that's fun, right? If you are present, you're like, let's see if they can tell on my high. Yeah. Yeah. You get used to doing the State of the Union a couple times. And like the third one, you're like, I can do it. I could go. Yeah, I can handle it.

You just do it a lot better if you take a hit. hit to take the edge off. Just a little bit. Like, Mr. President, after the Fool Me, you can't get fooled again thing, you really can't keep smoking weed before giving these speeches. And he's like, what if I,

whoa, I fell Americans with the, they got the yellow cake there, and they're going to, just we've never seen him sober. Yeah. Oh, that's why. Oh. Yeah. What else we got?

Bon Gino is out. Bon Gino. Bye, Gino. Bye, bye. Dan Bongino is leaving the FBI in January. So, you know, the podcast is coming back soon, I'm sure. The funniest thing in the world, I have to, so I guess, preview, spoilers for listeners. We have an episode that we filmed yesterday that's coming out in a few weeks, and it was about, somewhat about the sort of, like, podcaster government that we have.

The Katie Millers, the J.D. Vance's. the Dan Bonchino's, the Cash Patel's, just like they all need a podcast and that's what they want to do with their entire lives. They don't really care about governing. And in the middle of shooting, I was sent this information

that Dan Poncino is leaving the FBI to go do his fucking podcast. And I got to read, I got to read Trump's quote about it. And I'm going to find it and I have it. And the quote is, Dan did a great job. I think he wants to go back to his show.

It's Trump. sometimes Trump Trump speaks like a five-year-old writes a birthday card where it's like it's just so matter of fact and like pure where you're like yeah

that is right he's right yep he wanted to go back to his show it's so funny I think he wants to go back to his show the dichotomy of Trump both being the biggest liar we've ever had as president and the most honest sometimes oddly

where he's just like he'll be like I don't really want to do this I kind of wish I never ran for president I want to drive off into the sunset This has all been a burden I just want to host the Hunter games Like sometimes it's worth it

When I like once a month we sit around And everyone praises me And I get to take a little nap During the day Every other time it's miserable And I hate it and I hate all of you You were all dead I don't care

I thought one day When I was young I thought everyone was like me and then I got older and I realized that other people's brains work differently than mine but I don't care about you

I never will I prefer me in the way I think and talk so you think J.D. Vance is going to be like the sort of the next leader of the Republican Party

he's like I don't know a lot of guys out there who fucking cares he's like so Mr. President what do you think about this person that you're speculated your pardon

I don't know anything about that I don't know them Pam look into that maybe do it don't do it I don't know who cares Good, oh, is the quote, the good luck with your crypto and the things and the money that stuff you do or whatever. Your crypto and your Bitcoin and everything else you're doing. Whatever else. Who cares?

The most honest liar in America. Yeah. I was surprised this hasn't happened more often and faster because it's like an administration filled with people who are the equivalent of a guy at a bar being like, I could do a backflip. Right. Where it's like, we all have this hubris in us where it's like, I could, I could run the FBI. You know, like, how hard can it be? I don't know if I can yell about it. I can podcast, you know?

Certainly, it's no different. It can't be that different. I love the idea of, like, the FBI, like, sitting at his desk, and he, like, makes sure he has a microphone there just to, like, make himself feel comfortable. My headphones died, so we've got these on it. I changed outfits. I put on a Christmas crown. For Christmas.

Oh, were we all supposed to change our headphones? Right there? I didn't get that memo. You didn't say that. We said it in the episode that comes out in a few weeks. Are you kidding me? I was just to change my headphones? Yes. People stand off in the comments.

Who's right? Me or Jonathan. Okay, let's go through a few more things. So even more news? Yeah, the Trump administration, we've been having some fun. They are trying to do some truly horrible things out there. And I wanted to do it now so we aren't ending on the worst possible thing. So Trump and RFK Jr. on Thursday morning announced an intention to pull federal funding from any hospital that provides gender affirming care for minors.

Since Medicare and Medicaid funding make up a huge chunk of what goes to hospitals, this would effectively close any hospital that kept doing it if this rule passes. So, you know, truly evil stuff of them trying to control everyone. Yeah, just monsters. Conflating a lot of stuff too. Gender, gender affirming care can be. a lot of different things and... Yeah. Transgender for everybody.

It's only going to be... Yeah, did he promise transgender for everybody? But he was saying, like, that's the... That's what the Democrats want. That's what the Democrats want. They also want the premiums to go up.

They demanded it. Yeah. And the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services was given a mandate to send the Office of Immigration litigation 100 to 200 denaturalization cases

per month to give some context over the last eight years only 120 such cases have even been filed so this would be a huge increase in they just want them to go through and look for people who they should maybe denaturalize so they say they're going to start

with those who've unlawfully obtained U.S. citizenship okay and then they will open it up social media posts Muslims yeah anything in order to hit that it's criticized the president like literally they'll just be whatever

unlawfully obtained citizenship because you have to go through a whole process to get your citizenship I guess if you lie on the forms or something there's like certainly things you have to do yeah they will probably try to do this for

mom donnie right yeah not not not he likes him I know he likes them but like they've they've talked like there was that whole i don't know i don't know i feel like they're gonna they just they started on this lie uh that there was this you know all these like illegal immigrants in this country and crime and stuff right and now they need to act on the lie and it seems like they clearly they figured out pretty quickly that the problem because you know it's like they forgot they

lied they're like oh this problem isn't that big and but they need the results that they promised and it's just going to keep you know it's that thing where it's like okay who's next who's next who's next yeah till like they will i feel like until they hit whatever number they want it'll just be anybody who is remotely close to what this this demonized group is they set the quota for deportations and then they set the quota for this and then you got to meet the quota and so you're just going to sweep up whoever whoever yeah It's ice being like, you know, coming into an area and going like, who has dark skin. All right.

Let's grab you guys. And then you can sue us later, I guess, you know, when we're wrong. It's just, you know, quota-based, result-based stuff. It's the same of the RFK stuff where they're like, yeah, we want this result or we want this conclusion. And it's just, yeah, they're not existing in reality. And as long as the president can say a big number or the numbers going up or down, whichever, you know, whatever the context demands of him. This is terrifying.

A lot, everything is. And I, you know, especially since all the rhetoric around Muslims is so toxic and obviously pointed at trying to create another scapegoat. It's hard to not think that Muslim citizens might be a target for this specifically. and um yeah yeah yeah i personally think and this has been fueling me for decades now spite spite is magical right if you're like i don't know a young trans kid who's who's reading this news and is really down about it fucking just use that spite to fuel you not to do anything bad but to actually do positive things or to just exist to thrive just to be like fuck all of you i'm still going like just let's just fucking spite through the next three years just

really drink it up you know transgender for everybody yes transgender for everybody and next year we get the patriot games so fine i'm something to look forward to i can't believe they all right we've done it we've arrived at the end of the year at the end of the podcast we will be back next year we just recorded an episode that we've already multiple episodes that we've referred to in this conversation that you get to look forward to including January 2nd when we're back here predictions for 26 and they're really good can I throw one in real quick please yeah volcano

that's it the the volcano the film with Tommy Lee Jones scenario you interpret that the way you want. Okay. Keep it fake. That's great. I know what I think about it. And volcano. Volcano 2.

Joe versus Volcano 2. All right. How fun would that be? That's what we need. Yeah. Okay. We're going to work on manifesting that. It's very important we manifest that.

All right. I'm stalling because it's hard to say goodbye to you for the rest of the year. But we got to. Not that hard. We love you. So much. Very much. And I mean it.

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