Some More News - Even More News: Donald Trump Is Still Quite Racist

Episode Date: August 2, 2024

Hi. The House of Pod host Kaveh Hoda is back to chat with Katy and Cody about Donald Trump's comments to the National Association of Black Journalists, J.D. Vance's birthday, and conservative attacks on an Algerian boxer at the Olympics. Check out our MERCH STORE: https://shop.somemorenews.com   SUBSCRIBE to SOME MORE NEWS: https://tinyurl.com/ybfx89rh   Subscribe to the Even More News and SMN audio podcasts here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/some-more-news/id1364825229   Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6ebqegozpFt9hY2WJ7TDiA   Follow us on social media: Twitter: https://twitter.com/SomeMoreNews Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/SomeMoreNews/  

Hello and welcome back to Even More News, the first and only news podcast. I'm ChapStick on my cheeks. I mean, Katie Stoll with ChapStick on my cheeks. Hi, Katie. Hi, what's your name? Cody. It was said in a manner that actually was like you were meeting for the first time and that was really cool. And who are you? Spoilers but we prestige this podcast so it's a new Katie and a new Cody every year. They've

never met each other. Chopstick on your cheeks. It's a really terrible... Chopstick on your cheeks. David Bowie as Tesla. I was doing... Sorry. I was doing the P-52s. Oh yeah, totally. The Chopsticks. I guess that's technology. On your cheeks.

On your cheeks. On your cheeks. Yeah, totally. That makes sense. And joining us today is our friend of the podcast. I know that's been coined by other podcasts, but you are a friend of the podcast. I know that's been coined by other podcasts, but you are a friend of the podcast. Palcast, Palcast.

A pal of the cast, Palcast, Kavehoda. Hello, Kaveh. Hey, thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be back. I love it. I miss your faces. You have wonderful faces. All of you.

Oh, all of us. That's the chapstick. Yeah. Especially Jonathan, if I'm being honest. Oh, wow. Especially, wow. He's Rosie. He's Rosie chapstick. Especially Jonathan, if I'm being honest. Oh wow. Especially. Wow. He's rosy.

He's rosy. Cave, in case you don't remember, is a gastroenterologist, hepatologist, and host of the House of Pod podcast. Most importantly, friend. Most importantly, friend. I don't know, you're also a father. Podcast be damned. That's important.

Friend. Yeah, now, a father's kind of important too, but mostly friend. Kind of. Mostly friend. Well, father's kind of important too, but mostly friend of mostly friend Well, we have some holidays to celebrate This first one's wild. Thank you for including it Jonathan Friday August 2nd gosh darn happy 40th birthday to JD Vance He's only 40 that guy's too young I Know 40s, and I know 40s not young but like politician wise like it is young.

All right. Well we're fucking babies. All right. What the fuck. It's not old. I didn't say it was old. I'm just not young. He's a spring chicken. Spring chicken. J.D. Vance local couch fucker. Yeah. Happy birthday that guy. Also National Water Balloon Day. Oh, he does look like a water balloon.

Kind of. Oh, and as as Jonathan points out, a water balloon is kind of like a latex glove. Yeah. You got to turn it inside out in order to fuck the couch. But I feel like this is a conversation I missed when Jonathan pointed that out. I'm kind of curious now what entailed that conversation with Jonathan bringing that up. It's just our notes. It's a little nice. Just little tidbits, little information about it.

I write a bunch of information in advance. And sometimes that information includes that a water balloon is kind of like a glove. Kind of like a latex glove. If you're already going to the lengths of. It's a bit more like a condom, isn't it? It's a lot like one. Latex glove or a condom.

Either way. Don't use, yeah, don't use latex glove for sex. Just say that to people right now. Not, yeah. Because I feel like I have to, because there's like a medical thing behind it. I don't want people saying, hey, we end up getting pregnant because I heard on your show that we could have

sex with latex gloves. And you can't. I'm not saying it's not possible. I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm just saying it's not been proven. You can include latex gloves in your sex, but not in the same way a condom is used. Right. Yeah. Right. Right, folks?

Good point, yes. Folks at home, all right. But yeah, don't do that. Happy birthday, JD, I guess. How's it going for you, man? Went from negative six to negative 15 in four days. God, nobody likes this guy. You're crushing it, bud.

You're crushing it. So funny. You guys see Vivek Ramaswamy's tweet about like, hey, it's time for a reset? No. I think he's throwing his hat in the ring. I think he's trying to. I did see that.

He is, he knows. I think, I have to say, I mean, it would show like weakness for Trump or a change in his, which is not his thing. It's not his deal. But like, I actually think that would probably work for him if he did it. Right. I think it'd probably help him if he actually switched VP. Yeah. I think there's an element of A, we already have, the election is already weird. Things have already happened that are pretty unprecedented. So it wouldn't be like, oh, Trump is the chaos candidate because we did it. But people love who people who love Trump love that he fires people and like treat people like shit and, you know, passes the buck and like his whole career is

throwing people under the bus so I don't think that him getting rid of JD would hurt with his like fans right right but I don't know that either way it hurts or helps them I'm still on that train and JD is really making me eat some of my words, but Because I well Kaveh to catch you up I Still sort of believe this but Especially gauging the reaction at first like I was like, I don't think he's that bad of a pick for Trump There's lots of things that at least his first appearance at the RNC especially and like gauging that reaction I don't think that he's off putting to people on the other side. I think that if anything, you know, he's a

young man. He's very malleable. You can point to his transformation. However, he is a clown out there. But it's hard for me to actually get an accurate gauge of how people are reacting to it because so much of the online reaction is, you know, very online and very, but we can talk more about this. Oh yeah, there are quotes, new quotes from his boss about him. We'll get to. But I don't think that, I don't know, they could fire him. Sure, fuck it. Why not? Cave, you wrote an article that is about to be published.

I did. In the British Medical Journal with BMJ. BMJ is a British medical journal. I did think at first it was bowel movement journal or something. I am more than just about poop. I am more. We know, we know. But don't run away from it, it's okay. So you wrote a whole- Colloquially known as the shit book, but professionally as the bowel movement journal. You wrote a whole article on presidential bowel movement. For the shit book.

I did, I've given it a lot of thought. Which president has the most fiber in their diet? Uh-huh. No, I wrote- It's Trump. I did write a- I think he's got very little fibers. Very little fibers. His boobs are awful, painful experiences.

His boobs are awful, painful experiences. His boobs are awful, painful experiences. His boobs are awful, painful experiences. His boobs are awful, painful experiences. His boobs are awful, painful experiences. His boobs are awful, painful experiences. His boobs are awful, painful experiences. His boobs are awful, painful experiences.

His boobs are awful, painful experiences. His boobs are awful, painful experiences. His boobs are awful, painful experiences. His boobs are awful, painful experiences. His boobs are awful, painful experiences. and no I wrote I did write a I think he's got very little fibers very little um his boobs are awful painful experiences his bowels must be terrible um but again the whole point of this I'm not supposed to uh this article is I'm not supposed to make judgments like that I I wrote it with uh professor Gavin Yamey is awesome doctor at Duke who I like very much. And we wrote this article basically saying, you know, there's this long history of American presidents and presidential candidates who have either hid illnesses from the public or they've had, they've been protected by the media. I mean, this is like back from JFK and his Addisons to Woodrow Wilson and strokes to FDR, you know, going for his acceptance speech and his legs failing to Woodrow Wilson and Strokes to FDR,

going for his acceptance speech and his legs failing him falling out of his braces and having to be picked up. They're protected, the public didn't really know about these things at the time. And nowadays, it's still that way. Usually, what we know about presidents and their health, it's coming from these sort of partisan hacks

like Ronny Jackson or weird scribbled notes from Trump's gastroenterologist about him having astonishingly excellent health. And those are medical terms right? That's what we use them quite frequently. Well actually that Dr. Bornstein the the GI doctor who wrote that he actually says that was that was dictated to him by by Trump. So he's a Trump wrote that he actually says that was that was dictated to him by Trump. He said Trump wrote that. Oh no I was saying it as a joke but it was the truth. Yeah I think that's exactly what happened and so like all things when there is this vacuum of knowledge we don't know what's happening everything medically related it gets filled with theories or people reaching out to

doctors like myself online to make diagnoses about people that we really can't do. I mean, it's from far away. It's unethical, first of all, but it also, it gives a pretty false impression to the public when people reach out to doctors on TV shows like CNN or Fox, and both sides have done this, where they'll come and they'll give a diagnosis. And it makes it seem like you can do that just from over the TV. These are pretty complicated diagnoses which require specialists oftentimes to be able to do. And it is something that I would like to see doctors

do much less of, this weirdly speculative and seems really exploitative thing to do. So in this article, we kind of talk about you know maybe some ways to get around that and you know forming a non-partisan or bipartisan committee that something along the lines of the U.S. Preventive Task Force, something that we could do that could standardize this and make it a little bit more transparent for people and deal with it in a slightly more professional and less gossipy weird manner that we're doing currently. That's what I would like to see, is what Professor Gavin Yamey would like to see as well.

So again, I should say for people listening, I'm not saying people with disabilities can't or shouldn't be in politics. They absolutely should. Currently from federal to state levels, there are people with disabilities and chronic illness, and this does not mean they can't do it. But just like with a Fortune 500 company, every CEO has to get independent health screen. I feel like it's not too abnormal to have a standardized way of Measuring our presidents and being transparent about their health. So that's what the article that's what the article is about

I'm happy that they accepted it and should be coming out. Yeah, that's great That's like you're saying like it's not As an alternative to the partisan hacks who get like information dictated to them by the president themself or You know, that's just not how we should have Medical situations dealt with well, I'm excited to read this. I do have lots of thoughts on it, but We could talk about I actually could talk about that a lot

Especially in context of Joe Biden and the conversations about dementia versus being old. It's like, just it doesn't fucking matter. You don't get to diagnose him. However, we've got so much news to get into. So we're gonna just do that. I'm gonna throw to Jonathan to walk us through some Trump dates cause there aren't lots of them all the time.

Over on dates. Man, this guy talks a lot. This guy. Have you seen him? Have you heard him talking? Running in his mouth. He likes it. Well, which clip should we start with here?

I don't know. We were planning for full transparency. We were talking, planning to talk about the you won't have to vote clip. However, there are so many more clips since then. Yeah, there's an issue. Let's start with the journalists. Yeah, there's an issue with these quotes. An overview. Donald Trump loves to talk and he loves to just say whatever and it's often not true or like a thing he heard somewhere and he's like inserting it somewhere else.

And sometimes it's just like, no, this is just what he thinks. He's an evil, rapist fucking guy. But sometimes he says something so vague and in such a way that it can be interpreted in a couple different ways. Usually every way is bad, but to different degrees. You know what made me realize preparing for this show? He's what he wants to be. He wants to be like some mob boss he saw in like a movie that uses barely coded language to say something that he's gonna we're gonna make him an offer he can't refuse. He loves to say weird shit like that that makes him sound kind of threatening. Absolutely. He loves that and it's so dumb. And again Christians get out and vote just this time.

You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what? It'll be fixed. It'll be fine. You won't have to vote anymore. My beautiful Christians. And you can't like parse it because it's like, well, part of it is just like he wants this air about himself. And so you can't even decipher necessarily what he's saying.

So like, for example, that don't vote clip is like, oh, OK, well, you can't even decipher necessarily what you're saying. So like, for example, that don't vote clip is like, okay, well, you can either interpret it as, yeah, you won't need to vote in four years because I'll still be the president, folks. Or you don't need to vote because I'll do all the things that you want me to do and then it won't matter. You don't need to vote for anybody because you'll have voted for me.

And then it doesn't like, I won't care beyond that point Because all have been right, right? Like it's this weird narcissistic approach In the land of plausible deniability. Yeah, so and he just steamrolls through every public speaking engagement of any kind and Just does whatever he wants and it's hard to follow, although the women will get to this,

the NABJ conference did a great job, we're gonna get to that. But yeah, it is really difficult to parse it out because people can say like, that's not what he meant. We don't know that it's not what he meant. It's very, it totally is possible, but that he was just saying, vote for me this one time

and I'll accomplish all the things you wanna accomplish and you won't have to worry anymore. Also bad, also an alarming thing. Especially as he tries to distance himself from Project 2025. And yet that is probably what a lot of people, a lot of stuff in that are probably what that specific Christian conference are erred about. So what is it, my guy? Yeah, like you don't know about it, but like the guy stepped down because of pressure from you and like whatever. But yeah, so we'll get to this this this interview. I just wanted to sort

of gloss over this thing. I don't want to dwell too much on. But I got into it a little bit on the Internet, which you shouldn't do. Don't recommend it to anybody. There are some accounts that are like Kamala Harris,

like campaign accounts, Kamala HQ in particular. I've noticed every once in a while there's like a quote or like a tweet or like a video they'll share. And part of it is like the big unearthed video. It's a podcast. You found it. Like leaked video. No, that's a podcast clip. What are you talking about? It's from Charlie Kirk's show. I can see the I can see the the watermark. It's not leaked.

But sometimes they'll present quotes in, I think, a kind of dishonest way. I don't I'm not giving Trump the benefit of the doubt. I'm not like being charitable to him. It's just if he's talking about, for example,

oh, yeah, they're trying to put me in jail and they're animals. Well, I think that saying that Donald Trump said that all Americans who don't support him are animals is not an accurate paraphrase of what he was talking about. What he was- Maybe we'll throw that tweet up on the screen here

so for visual watchers, they can see it. Yeah, and like people got like, we're like, oh, so you're defending the GOP now. No, that's not what's going on. Everyone. And people are like, oh, like, oh, so you're defending the GOP now? No, that's not what's going on. Everyone. And people like, oh, well, they didn't use quotation marks. Yeah. It said Trump colon a sentence in the first person. You can say it's not a quote, but it's it's presented as he said that. I think it's not a honest way to present.

It's not a lie or whatever, like, but it's not it's not honest. And I think that it's harmful for the cause if you are misrepresenting things like that. Because then people will be like, well, you didn't quite say that this, this, this, and then you're gonna trust that less. It deteriorates trust. I agree with you completely.

It frustrates me to no end. Because the truth is fine. Like, not fine, it's bad. It's bad enough. But it's bad enough. Yes's bad enough. It's bad enough. Yes. And one of the things, and we'll get to some of this JD Vance stuff too,

I think in this interview. But I have a problem with us lying. Like some of the responses to that tweet were, oh, but they do it. Stop it. That's not, but they do it stop it That's not a reason to do it. All it does is delegitimize you Yeah, all it does is play into the idea that we are sensationalizing it that we're histrionic But the truth is is that the thing we are actually worried about the things he said are bad enough

You do not need to sensationalize this man And then everybody's you know, but the JD Vance thing, I know lots of our jokes about fucking the couch or whatever, but like. As far as we know, it's not true. It doesn't help actually. Uh, I disagree on everybody. You, but I know what you're saying. I just think that we think it's funny, but like in terms of the people that

you're trying to reach, what you're actually doing is saying like oh We were this guy really pisses them off. They're making up all these stories. I Don't think it works in our favor You're it does two things one is it gives like politifact a thing to be like, oh well to keep it even They're lying too. I think the only thing This isn't even pushing back, but Trump is so fluid when he says they about vaguely his enemies.

Because in that clip, he says, they tried to put me in prison. And I think he's referring to the Democratic Party, but it's really just like the attorneys and whatnot. Right, exactly. And then he says, they're letting tons of people over the border. So it's clear by they he's meaning just the Democratic Party in general. So I think it would be fair to say that he called the Democratic Party establishment animals. But again, they took it farther and said anyone who doesn't support Americans

who don't support him. Right. And it's again, it's not even a paraphrase because it says Trump colon Americans who don't support me are animals. That's phrasing it, it's not even a paraphrase because it says Trump colon Americans who don't support me are animals. That's phrasing it like it's a quote, even if there are quotation marks. And that's a very different statement. And you can say, yeah, you call the Democratic Party animals. That's not good. It's not good. Yeah. But I really like that you did that.

I saw that when you tweeted that. And I appreciate it because I know you did take heat for it. But it's also not like you're saying let's not fight and let's not be aggressive and let's not make fun of him or go after him. Let's just use what is actually true. And I think that's super fair. I think that's the way we should approach it.

People who not like that. Also, this is how things go so far off the, like in general, I don't like that that's the the fucking norm that we're going to use social media in this way to sensationalize things and misrepresent things. And like it is becoming normal. And now we're going to play by the same again. I agree with you, Kaveh. Like I'm not saying that we're not aggressive, that we shouldn't call things out

or or whatever, but we don't need to make things up. He's an evil rapist. Yeah. Just say that every day. He's a rapist. That's my opinion of him. He's a rapist. You didn't say the thing you said, but like.

So in terms of the things he legitimately does say. Yes, exactly. He went to the National Association of Black Journalists Convention and Career Fair, and he answered questions during a very contentious interview, which was supposed to be an hour long, but it ended like 25 minutes early. I mean, that is team started late. Team Trump was like, we have to end this. Team Trump was like, we have to end this. He said they started late in this. There's reporting that it started late because they they were like disagreement

on whether or not doing like live fact checks. Apparently they didn't want to. They he didn't want to do that. Well, you guys are going to watch. Yeah, it didn't go well. You believe that Vice President Kamala Harris is only on the ticket because she is a black woman. Well, I can say, no, I think it's maybe a little bit different. A nuanced look. So, I've known her a long time indirectly, not directly very much, and she was always

of Indian heritage, and she was only promoting Indian heritage. I didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black, and now she wants to be known as black. So I don't know, is she Indian or is she black? She is always identified as a black. I respect either one. I respect either one, but she obviously doesn't. Because she was Indian all the way and then all of a sudden she made a turn and she went, she became a black person. Just to be clear sir, do you believe that she is a black? I think somebody should look into that too when you ask, continue in a very hostile, nasty tone.

It's a direct question, sir. Do you believe that Vice President Kamala Harris is a DEI hire, as some of the public interest said? I mean, I really don't know. Could be, could be. There are some, and there are plenty. I know this. Whoa!

What? Oh, he's such a lunatic. So much. I think he did a lunatic. So much. I think he did a bad job. So much. I think he did a bad job as well. I would love to have seen what his advisors in the back look like during this.

I would love to see. They gave him the big boot half 25 minutes early. Yeah, they're just sweating. They're like, when can we take him off? Yeah, I feel like they pitted out those shirts back there. Had a bad day. I had a stiff drink after that. And then I just want to point out

that this reminded a lot of people of the 2016 campaign when he would do this kind of stuff all of the time. And there was a lot of outrage in the media, and including in the Republican Party. But now the Republicans just really fall in line. So immediately after this, there were people sharing old articles of like, oh, Kamala Harris becomes the first Indian-American senator.

See, they were pointing out that she's of Indian heritage there and not black. And it's very simple to see that she wasn't the first black senator. So that's why they were pointing that out. So that's why they're. If you, literally the article that they're sharing, if you read the article, it says first Indian American senator and second black senator. I have a lot of thoughts about this.

I thought this was amazing. And I'm not going to lie, there is a part of me, it's a sick part of me that I'm not proud of, that enjoys and gets a pleasure from the chaos of words that just come out of his mouth sometimes. And I know that's bad and I try to fight it and I'm trying to be a better person but I can't help but enjoy the insanity of this. None of this makes any sense. First of all, she's identified as black. Not that she would have to or that matters, but she has. She's identified when she was a law student here in San Francisco when she

was with the district attorney's office. Her website identified her as an African American. She went to Howard. She went to Howard. Black. Just look at her. But even if she... the logic of him, there are millions of Americans who are biracial. And look at this and they're like, I can't be both. I can't sometimes, you know, play up my Indian heritage or here and then my African-American heritage over here, my black heritage over here. Like that is something that people who are biracial, multiracial get to do. That's just kind of the way it is. And like for him to like, and also to assume that like, I don't know, does he think the Indian people got treated amazingly in this country? I know. It's not like they also got treated. No. You know, so like it doesn't, none of this makes any fucking sense. It's absurd and even he said in that clip, like it's either, I mean I, you know, it's one of the others either and like I'm fine with either but you're not fine You're not fine with both. You're fine with like one of the other like it's absurd and like I don't well first of all

You know who else is a half Indian JD Vance's kids Yeah, like Trump. What are you doing? Like what? right the Right. Yeah. Like Trump, what are you doing? Like what is it? What is right? The implication? Like even if his comments themselves weren't just extremely racist on their face, the implication is Uh people of color are frequently opportunistic in order to yes. And so like he's like well, we're gonna move away from the uh, she gave sexual favors to get ahead which was last week's thing and now it's like well she's using her race whichever one would be most beneficial for her to get ahead and I know we've talked about the word weird

too much but like they are not doing a great job of helping everyone move on from that narrative when they are spending the entire week like trying to pick apart the racial identity of the candidate. It's very odd. And I know there are people on the Democratic side and the left that will say, you know, maybe we shouldn't even be giving this much airtime. We shouldn't be talking about this sort of weird racist stuff he does. And we should focus on the, I guess the the logistics of his party and

what the 2020 or project 25 whatever it is but I do think this is important I think this is really important I feel like we have we can't stop do you gotta do both we could talk about like all the crazy policies that he wants to put into place but that he's a deeply at the root of it lost old racist man like this is like that we can't not also hit that point because I think that is really important. Yeah, because that's I know I understand people's sort of reticence about this kind of stuff because there are it suddenly within the last week and a half it's suddenly like this is very 2016 like a lot of 2016 vibes going on.

going to have it suddenly like this is very 2016 like a lot of 2016 vibes going on. Some of it with the Democrats and Harris and just Trump being out there and saying all this stuff. But it's actually and I get that and we don't want to get like overconfident. We don't want to like focus too much on his stuff because people love it. And he won. He won. That's one data point. And it was eight years ago. I don't think that's enough evidence to be like, well, we can't focus on him.

We can't talk about this. He's older and weirder now. He's more racist. We've talked about this before. But when Trump was announcing he's president, he kind of opened up. He was going to be running for president. He just go like, I'm president now.

He ran for president. When he was announcing he was running that kind of opened up a lot of discourse. It opened up people to be more forthcoming about their racism and their weirdness. And he kind of opened that door up. But then that led a lot of people who were like fucking freaks and racists into the party. And they got louder. And he is a guy who listens to everybody and absorbs all the random stuff he hears

and turns it into a Trumpy sort of thing. It's a feedback loop. He opened up the door, they got in the house and they're shouting and he's like, oh yeah, I think they're right. Like he is amped up. He is worse now. He is saying worse things. And I think that I just still I know we differ on some of this, but I still am very optimistic and hopeful that I think people mostly hate that guy. He's exhausting.

He sucks. Like that whole rant, the whole 30, 25 minutes, whatever it was, like that's unpleasant. And like, I know some people are like, oh, he destroyed them. I don't think that's, I don't think enough people think that. I'll have to dig into that. I hope you're right, Cody.

I don't think it's wrong to be hopeful, but I do think that we take for granted how divided and stratified and how complicated people's opinions are. And they don't, a lot of people hate it when he runs his mouth and they still want to vote for him. Oh, I know. And I don't know. I feel very bolstered right now. I do not feel as confident as I was three weeks ago that like for the last year and a half, I've been like, he's going to win again. Like, this is a fucking mess. He's going to win again. And now I'm not so staunchly confident about that. But I do think it's And now I'm not so staunchly confident about that,

but I do think it's a mistake, maybe not a mistake, at least a personal mistake for our own hearts and minds to lean too heavily on that because I don't know that that's necessarily true. He is so unpalatable and he is making it worse. I don't know what the line is for some people. Yeah, I don't know. And I wanted to be framed like, you know,

like we got this, don't worry about it. But I have seen like, I've seen even like daily wire Babylon B writers respond to this and be like, what are you guys doing? Why are you like, why are you going in on this? She's biracial. It's so, it's such an easy thing to understand. And it seems like he's also combining like like Nikki Haley and Elizabeth Warren

stuff into like this thing that it's not that and he throws everything at the wall to see what sticks. If there's one thing we know and then especially right now, because it's like, well, this will be gone this will probably be gone by the time this podcast is released that's not true it's too soon but this will have faded and then in a month or two it'll be like that's not what he said i can't remember look it up and right that's the way it happens but he is kind of testing the waters right now is my opinion he is kind of seeing what his attack line will be

that one didn't work man didn't work he's like a garbage stand-up comic who just does open mic nights a lot and throws out a lot of stuff and most of it's terrible and then every now and then he'll get like a laugh and he'll be like okay i'm gonna go with that terrible but the thing you're right though about this is we also can't lose sight that even in this same conference and this same thing he said things that were equally crazy for example, you know this post-birth abortion thing that keeps coming up that's insane and they keep bringing up that and people believe it and it's insane it drives me nuts every time I hear it but it's always like like when he had like the thing with Joe when he had the debate with Joe Biden,

that would have been the easiest time for Joe Biden to have destroyed him. But instead he did this weird pivot where he was talking about- Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Anyways, terrible, terrible thing that happened there. But-

Shocked. Even the things that Trump is kind of right about, inflation has gone up, right? But then he's like, this is the worst inflation in 58 years, which it's not. It's like in the last like 20 years, maybe it's bad, but not even like the last like 20 years. Also it's falling, and yeah. And then he even corrects himself to kick it up a notch.

Not 58, 100 years. What are you doing? It's like it's so fucking absurd that it does require like parsing out of all this stuff and giving each thing attention. And that's tiresome. But I do think it is really important to to do all of them. I think we have to do all of them. Yeah, it is. Because even like even in that that interview, he said so he's talking about immigrants or something. And he was like, and they're coming in and they're like they're all like illegal or whatever. It's like it's 20, 30, 40 million people.

Which is it? That is a huge difference. Like he just like, he just throws anything out there. And it's like, that's a massive difference. I don't know. It's. But also I do wanna talk about the JD Vance question. The other stuff he said.

I mean, he said so many things. JD Vance, is he ready on day one? Does he what? Ready on day one, if he has to be. I've always had great respect for him. That's so common. And for the other candidates too. But I will say this, and I think this is well documented,

historically the vice president in terms of the election does not have any impact, I mean virtually no impact. You have a few or three days the election, and it's all about the presidential pick. Virtually never has it mattered, maybe Lyndon Johnson mattered for different reasons than what we're talking about, not for vote reasons but for political reasons, other political reasons. But historically the choice of a vice president is not the only one that matters. It's the election of the president.

It's the election of the president. Maybe Lyndon Johnson mattered for different reasons of what we're talking about. Not for vote reasons, but for political reasons, other political reasons. But historically, the choice of a vice president makes no difference. You're voting for the president, and you can have a vice president who's outstanding in every way. And I think JD is. I think that all of them would have been. But you're not voting that way.

You're voting for the president. You're voting for the president. You're voting for me. If you like me, I'm gonna win. If you don't like me, I'm not gonna win. He's not wrong about that. He's not wrong, I guess. I just, for a brief second, felt bad for JD. Like you just, you're like, let's say he wins.

Your life is hell. Hell. You are about to be the punching bag of this man. 50-50 on if you're hanged, man. He would have wanted to kill Mike Pence. Yeah, I felt the same thing. JD Vance sitting there on his couch that he may or may not have freshly made love to, and he's watching Trump say this about him.

That's like the major takeaway was that it does not matter. He does not matter. That's brutal. I just pictured the Charlie Brown Snoopy song. What is that sad song that they play? Oh yeah. That's what I pictured Keity Vance watching this and his face falling in that song playing.

Good, good, he deserves it. What a fraud, no sympathy. But it's so funny, also like, why would he say like, and then like he's great, like, and I respect all the candidates, you do not. You don't respect any of the candidates who've ever been on any stage ever. Does he mean all the candidates?

Does he mean all the people who I could have picked as vice president? I think maybe he does He means Kim Scott He's at the NABJ like Yeah, he should have picked the vague that would have been another different kind of disaster but who knows if it would have been a better disaster than Than mr. Mr. Negative 15 Vance. Yeah, more likeable than JD Vance, perhaps. I still am not positive that JD Vance affects his numbers one way or the other, though.

I hear what you're saying, Katie, that I don't know how much of an effect it'll have, but I will say this. It seems to be lasting the drama about... The news cycle. Yeah, it seems to be lasting almost as long, if not longer longer than the 34 felony convection convictions did you know what I mean? It's lasting longer than him getting shot at. That's right. You know it seems to be sticking and the weird thing surprisingly to me seems to be sticking too. Well that's us though.

That is us running with it. You know I'll say that. They hate it though. They hate it so much. Like we're in a bubble. I'm not doubting that at all, but so are they, because they think a lot of these culture war things transcend to people who are not super online and following stuff, and I think they think, and I don't know if we'll get to the Olympics thing, I think they think that's gonna work,

I think they think attacking Kamala Harris's race is going to work. It hasn't electorally. Like, I mean, every midterm when they try to go in on like the trans stuff, like it doesn't work for them. It's not a winner. And it is weird. It is weird that today we are and we'll get to this maybe, but like we're having a whole discussion about one person's

genitals. Yeah. I that's so weird. It's it's so bizarre and off putting and I don't think it's a winner. And like, yeah, it's it's funny that JD's being unlikeable and weird is like really sticking within the cycle. I know that when I come here representing different conversations outside of our bubble, sometimes it can feel a little dire. But I'll say something hopeful that I was journaling about.

I don't know why I said it like that. I don't have to make myself for journaling. It's OK. You're being vulnerable right now. One thing is like even in my short, this is not representative of everybody, but perhaps. If you sample across the country, you would see some of the changing attitudes about trans stuff. Not that some people have fully accepted it, but the line has stopped coming from what I have conversations about. It has stopped being about horrific or, you know, like it's like unnatural to the hateful language I

To yeah, I don't understand it, but I just I don't necessarily It's just or like I worry about kids or whatever and then I have that conversation and answer questions Like I've not so worried about bathrooms. I just want to make sure people are making the right choices from it is shifted in conversations that I've had. And that makes me feel a little bit of hope. And I think that that kind of goes along the line with like, it's not a winning issue because people just acclimate to things. They don't understand it.

And now they start to takes time. Took us a long time to get gay marriage. And the other thing that I found helpful is more and more people that I'm realizing in my community that are pretty left, maybe not as left as me, but they're quiet about it. They don't wanna be bugged, they don't wanna, but like a lot more people than I realized over the past couple months have quietly said to me,

like, am I listening to your show? Loved it. Or, you know, like- That's nice. And whispers like, I don to your show, loved it. Or, you know, like, and whispers like, I don't want to get into it with everybody, but I'm really worried about Biden. You know, and they're talking to me about it. But then you see the rally in Florida, I forget the name, the villages was it called,

where it says staunch Republican, the hotbed, very red. And all these people showed up in their golf carts for Kamala. Was that the majority of that community? No. But that's a sizable. The enthusiasm is palpable. The relief is palpable. So I'm just going to sprinkle that little bit of hope in there. Even when I talk about people's, the other side's opinions and how it lands I am encouraged by what I see changing.

We'll see how extensive that changes I don't know. I think the more like again like the more Trump talks the more JD Vance talks about his fucking bad weird opinions I think, I think that will be more and more and more apparent. Because we've talked about, even you said, but I'm concerned about Biden is what a lot of people think. He's gone now. We're done with him. And now we can move forward and talk about these other things

instead of just being like, oh my god, what is this guy going to say? And yeah, that's heartening. Thank you for sharing that so much. Just to put a pin in the JD Vance conversation, a pin cushion, if you will, put a pin in that. I bet he did. It's very clear. That's right. It's very clear. He was pushed on Trump by right. It's very clear he was pushed on Trump by Peter Thiel, David Sacks, Elon Musk and his son Donald Trump Jr. And I think those guys have terrible political instincts and are really stupid. And I it's like part of me is just like, just vote against Trump to make those guys mad. Like we can we can be

enthusiastic about Kamala, but we can also be spiteful about the other guys. And it's just funny to watch them all flounder. That's all I'll say about it. It is interesting seeing Peter Thiel again sort of involved in this. Sweaty Peter Thiel, he's so hopped up on something. I think with the high remaining time

We had so many topics this keeps happening so many topics. Sorry Jonathan you prepped a lot But I do want to talk a bit about the Olympics because they Kind of dovetails into some conversations I mean first off was the opening ceremony that just set everybody. Don't talk about those. Don't talk about those. I don't want to. I don't want the energy from that ceremony to get into my home. My home is pure and yes. Okay. We don't want Satan in this house.

I mean, what a wild thing I started seeing. I mean, these fucking people boycott it. Boycott it. And people are like are okay goodbye it's so who cares well yeah good should we just describe what happened if anybody missed it I don't know if you what happened is the thing that always happens when there's any semblance of pageantry in anything there's a sect of the world on there and they're all online and they think that Satanists are trying to influence everybody and push Satanism on the populace. And it can be a Christmas pageant where there's like, oh, that weird, it can be the Nutcracker. It can be the opening ceremonies. And it's just as long as

there's a little bit of pageantry and imagery that maybe they're not familiar with oftentimes it's because they're like the Performance is alluding to imagery. They're not familiar with and they perceive it as satanic and they freak out and it's so weird This is what we're talking about. I Okay, so I will briefly say a couple of things that seem to trigger people just for like the three people who don't know what we're talking about. There was an opening scene where there's a bunch of like people at a party at a table and some people read it as a mockery of the Last Supper. It turns out it was not the case at all.

It was about Dionysus, some Greek gods of the botchery. The Olympics. All that. Right, which all makes sense and that's all that's all. In Paris. There was also a French heavy metal band, I'll give a plug out for French heavy metal and French rap, two genres you should look into,

named Gojira were playing. It's awesome, it was a great, I thought they were great. Anyway. I thought they were great, yeah. I will say this though, I will say this. And I'm okay with this I think the French guys the guy that I heard him talk a little bit and the French people behind The opening ceremony knew that dumb Americans were gonna be there like we had no idea that the Americans I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe they would do this.

I am shocked I say, shocked. I couldn't believe it. And you know what, I'm okay with them fucking around a little bit like that. Yeah. Because it was fun, it was really good I thought. I think you nailed it on the head there because what the discourse has become is like,

you guys are stupid, this wasn't the Last Supper and then they're like, we're not stupid, you're trying to pull one over, this wasn't the last supper. And then they're like, we're not stupid. You're trying to pull one over. This is obviously, you know, a ding at Christianity. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I'm like, oh, the other thing I've seen is like, you wouldn't see this happening, you know,

for a Muslim religion or something. But I think that they are taking it way too far. I mean, part of the problem is that there was a drag queen featured as well. I think that that added to it. But it was silly that discourse less silly. And I'm rushing through this quick because we are barreling towards the end of our show. And now that we do a video podcast, we got to be on time. We got to be on time. We got to talk about the the yeah. But this is a much more important Olympic story and that is uh about

the boxers. I don't have the name in front of me. Jonathan save me right now. Save me with the names. This is a last minute edition. This is a cisgender Algerian boxer named Iman Khalif. This is a cisgender Algerian boxer named Iman Khalif. Iman Khalif is a cisgender woman. She has elevated levels of testosterone, which is what disqualified her last year, but that does not disqualify her from the Olympics. There's no reason she can't compete in the Olympics, but a bunch of people are very, very mad because a Italian boxer she was facing named Angela Carini ended the match after 46 seconds said she'd never been hit so hard

and now a lot of people online are either dumb or lying and pretending that they don't know. They're saying that Iman Khalif is transgender. And they're saying, oh, this is actually a man. So infuriating. The boys know, well, Kaveh, you weren't here yet. I started the call cranky today for various reasons. But one of the reasons was I was reading all about this. And I'd seen somebody share this, somebody that's generally pretty progressive, but saying,

oh, I support transgender people of course but this seems this seems bad or something and I was like what looking into it and it took me a minute to actually find stuff that clearly stated no she's a woman she was born a woman and like she does have you know elevated testosterone, but she has the exact same weight as Angela. She's in the exact same weight class. You know what the difference is between Angela and Iman?

Is that Angela has done far fewer matches and has lost a lot more. Iman has lost a lot of matches. It's not like she's just swept through every woman she's encountered. But just the fucking fact that people like I don't have a headline in front of me, but it is it's everywhere. And it's perfect. It's very pervasive. And it's a very it is appalling. Because it is like it's just lies.

It's so weird, like to see just people doubling down, tripling down on this just verifiably wrong assertion. And just in general, the idea that, it's not brand new because all of a sudden we are have an awareness of trans women trans men this this conversation is new it to people maybe but this is a biological thing and she is an athlete and there have been other female athletes with elevated testosterone. They have biological advantages over the rest of us mere mortals who are not top of our game athletes.

Michael Phelps was physically designed to be an amazing swimmer. His hands, his body shape. He doesn't get tired. He produces like half the lactic acid. Yes. Of normal people. Of the average person. get tired he produces like half the lactic acid yes of normal that's like the average person yeah that's a superpower and I don't I don't it's actually know much about her and I don't know much about the she they they keep saying that she's DSD which just means differences in sex development it's like

a whole group of different things that can happen. And it can affect the reproductive organs. And basically what it means is your body may not respond to the sex hormones there in your body, the way that you would for someone else. So I don't know what her particular diagnosis, if there is one, I don't know what that is. But it does seem like there's a shifting, moving goalposts on this, like,

because they just don't, because they want to have someone to hate and because She has masculine features and they want to just hate her for it And and maybe she's a better boxer than the than the Italian. It seems like she wasn't protecting her face You saw it, right? Yeah I'm not a boxing expert. I'm not. I can't really speak to that. But it looked like she wasn't looking at your face. That's one of the things you do.

It used to be about, well, what are your genitals? And then it's like, well, if you're going to go that far, this woman has female genitalia. And they go, OK, well, ha, ha, ha, ha. Now it's about the hormone levels. Now we have to test everyone's hormone levels. OK, what if one person has hormone levels that are higher than another person's hormone levels? That's just kind of a natural thing that happens. JK Rowling, terrible person, JK Rowling. Can

we get sued? Holocaust denier, JK Rowling. She's a bad person. Yeah. She tweeted, could any picture sum up our new men's rights movement better the smirk of a male who knows he's protected by a Misogynist sporting establishment enjoying the distress of a woman. He's just punched in the head and whose life's ambition He's just shattered so JK Rowling misgenders this person a bunch, but also it's like well. What do you want now? Do you want? Her to have to be trans because of her hormone levels? She is, she identifies as the gender she was assigned at birth. Isn't that what you want people to do? Exactly. It's very counterintuitive. It does speak to like, so if somebody's transitioned

and there's a trans man who has elevated testosterone levels, do you want them to compete with cis men? Because that's what it seems like they're saying. Right. They like their position based off of just today seems to be like, uh, transitioning is valid. Like when we want it for when we want it. Exactly. Um, and it's just so, I don't know. So we've talked about this before.

This is a, one of the many problems with this sort of anti-trans like sort of turf movement. It does hurt women. Men, they're like cis men who are feminine, they're cis women who are masculine, and there are a lot of people in between. And it like it just turns into this thing where like, yeah, you're saying like, well, are you going to inspect everybody's genitals if they look a little manly to you?

Like, what is the protection that you're actually offering here? Yeah. It's just really gross. I keep thinking of that like fucking sorry, Austin Powers bit where it's like, that's not a woman, that's a man. And he's like ripping off her wig. It's a woman. And like that's that's what these people are doing. They're just like making these wild assumptions and sticking with them, even though the facts are the exact opposite. Algeria is not a place that is safe. Not an easy place for transition. Yeah. But it's it is this is awful for her. I know. I mean, like, this is is so embarrassed. Like I hope she's not embarrassed

She shouldn't be but like people are being awful online and her home. She's out there representing her home country Which is not a good place for trans women And she's not trans but now all these people are saying all this bullshit now She has to I mean she probably it was it's probably terrible but she probably was like teased at some point, because she had masculine features, and maybe she had to deal with that.

Although I saw a picture of her as a child, and you know, whatever, it looked like a regular cis girl to me at the time. So, but like I'm sure at some point she had to deal with that, and then on top of that, she finds something that she can do really well, and that she's good at, and now she's good at and now she's not even

allowed to do that because Because someone's trying to make an argument and it shifted from the genitals to now having a Y chromosome Which in her case because of her medical condition isn't working the way that Cody's delicious and find why chromosome is working So, you know, yeah, she's not out of this. There's somebody, another woman, I don't have the name in front of me, who is slated to fight her in a few days. And that woman has said, like, I'm not afraid of her.

I'm a fighter. She's like, I can't speak to this, to Angela, but it's shocking to me to start a fight and just bail like that. Those are not a direct quote, but the assertions of it like I fight and I'll fight and I'll win or I'll lose. It's yeah, it just again, they are the exact same weight. Right. These two competitors.

And again, it just speaks to this like this weird conversation like you're like this weird conversation, like you're like this transvestigation obsession that a lot of these people have were like any picture of a woman. They're like, but how much of a but are they like they are obsessed and there's this claim like, oh, we LGBTQ, they're always shoving it down our faces. They're always talking about it. No, you're always talking about it. You won't shut up about it. You're being weird. You're being obsessed about this thing. And it's going to be harmful. It's also just like regular garden variety sexism at a point. They're doing it with Katie Ledeky as well. They're like, well, she's won all these competitions.

She blows out the competition. She must actually be a man. It's like, okay. So your whole thing is that like women can't be good at sports. Do you just want to ban women's sports at the Olympics? That seems like what you want to do. Yeah. So, OK, we can close this out.

I want to bring this back to American politics because this is something that is louder and louder, more and more we're seeing. And we're seeing it more and more these days. And I think it's going to be very detrimental to Trump's party because you have this JD Vance stuff talking about like childless cat ladies, and like if you don't want kids or you don't have kids, like you're a demon, whatever he's fucking saying,

he's weird. And Trump's absorbing that too, it might not become like his platform, but he's going to start talking like that, because that's how he is. He won't be able to help himself. And I, you see a lot of like Twitter, like a lot of the blue accounts and a lot of the MAGA people and Jesse Waters on Fox News taking this position that if you are a man and you vote for Kamala Harris, you are a woman.

And I have a few things to say about that. One is so like you do think transitioning is possible. You just think it's a lot easier than it actually is. Shut up, Jesse Waters. Get the fuck off of television. But the main thing I think that we should take away from that is they just have so little respect for women. If you're saying that if you vote, if you're a man, you vote for a woman, that means you're a woman. That means that

you think a woman shouldn't be president. And if you are, and it's stupid, women are stupid and incompetent. They shouldn't be president. And if you vote for a woman, then you are less than a man. You're less than they're, They're putting you in a tier that is less than men because you support this woman. You're also dumb and you shouldn't be the president because you're like a woman, by which they mean inferior. It's really gross and really weird. And I think it's going to ultimately be very off putting for a lot of people. And you know, Jesse W waters can go up there be like a Man is about strength and family and this like bro. You cheated on your wife

With like your assistant and like and you you like it took the air out of her tires So you'd give her a ride home like you are not a family man. You might have a family. You're not a family man That's not those aren't your values and framing it it like well if you vote for a woman which would suck then you're a woman which sucks. It's just utter disrespect and sexism. And I don't think it's going to get them where they want to be. And I don't know it sucks. I hate it. OK.

Kaveh. Well said. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. We barely scratched the surface of all the stuff we wanna talk about, so you're just gonna have to come back. You're just gonna have to come back. You're just gonna have to come back. You have to.

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