Some More News - Even More News: Donald Trump Struggles To Say Anything About Tylenol, Kash Patel Live Tweets A Shooting

Episode Date: September 26, 2025

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My name's Katie Stoll. You're spooking me. It's not even October yet, is it? No, it's not. Hi, I'm Cody. You're Cody. Cody Johnston. All colors.

Hello, I'm Cody Johnston. Hello. Is that my, it's like an Elon vampire? I don't know what's going on. What's up? Jonathan's also here! Hi. There he is.

Hi. Jonathan, spook at us. Oh, boy. You introduce me and then you still get a jump scare out of it when I'm here. Yeah, well. It's October, after all. Almost. Almost.

You know what it is? No, it's still September, folks. Not quite. We haven't quite made it to October. We have some holidays to celebrate. today Jonathan what the fuck is this Saturday September 27th

Jonathan notes this one's for Katie National Ghost Hunting Day I feel like you're trolling me in what way yes it's for me I'm not a ghost hunter I have a loose association with ghosts

right you have a you have a an association with ghosts in a way that Cody and I do not Specifically the ghosts that live in the building where we shoot our show. But generally ghosts. And generally ghost, yes. General ghosts, yes. No, ghosts, yes.

I have had many run-ins with ghosts. I don't need to hunt them. They hunt me. Oh. Well, then I guess you'd be the bait, right, for the hunters? I don't really like being used that way, but it is there one day. I'm sorry, it's their one day. There's a percentage out there of our viewers.

Yeah. They're on team ghosts. Oh, that's cool. This day's for you. Go out there and hunt them. I don't know what you're going to do with them. You're not going to hang them up on the wall like a trophy, but... Someone will one of these days.

I also have to note, sorry, if you're... When you're asked if you're trolling, the best thing you can do is go, why do you say that? And then take a sip from your mug. What are you talking about? I don't understand the implication. Ghosts are real. And so is the news.

Unfortunately, the news is as real as the ghosts. you will be hunting this weekend, maybe as consequential. I don't know. Jonathan, what's been going on? We should start with this shooting on Wednesday at an ICE office and processing center in Dallas. So here's what we know as of Thursday morning. There's one detainee dead and two others injured. No law enforcement was harmed.

The suspected shooter apparently fired indiscriminately at the ice building. and then shot at a van where the victims were all shot. This, well, FBI director Cash Patel because it's his job to just tweet out evidence of crimes. Like he shows up on the scene and just, well, he doesn't show up. He gets photos sent to him and then he tweets them out immediately. Before we get to what he tweeted, is this good behavior for him to be doing? This should not be, in my humble opinion, what the FBI director does.

It probably won't matter here since the suspected shooter took his own life at the end of this. Right. There will be a trial. But for the shooter of or the suspected shooter of Charlie Kirk, there will be a trial. And Cash Patel probably should not have tweeted out all this evidence immediately, right? You would think. I'm not a lawyer, but you would think defense attorneys would think that helps us. I would posit that even though this shooter is dead.

this is not the way an investigation should be conducted regardless. Not when you're trying to, you know, de-esculate tensions and, you know, which he's trying to do. Right. He's clearly trying to do. It's hard not to just picture the, his face is always shocked face out there, tweeting this shit out immediately, like, I don't know what to do. Send.

It's embarrassing and weird. it's clearly coming from his need to be and he's an attention guy he's a podcaster first and foremost but it also seems as we'll I guess we'll get it to right now it's just this very weird like every time there's something like this he's like well guess what

I got the bullets and they said everything I want them to it's weird so one of the things he tweeted Cash Patel was a photo of some unspent shell casings that were on the roof of the building where the alleged shooter was, and Cash Patel said that it was engraved with the phrase anti-ice, even though

in the photo, as you can see, it's not engraved. It's written in, like, blue marker. It's a pen. It's a big pen. Scrawled with big pen. And then Cash Patel has since tweeted out that there was a note found that said, hopefully this will give ICE agents real terror to think, is there a sniper with AP rounds on that roof. So regardless, as soon as the shooting happens now, you know, we all have to go to work.

Oh, he's on. This is the side that the guy is on, which will prove that we're right that it's all this. Of course, as usual, it's not that simple. And also, this suspect is a 29-year-old white man who apparently spent a lot of time online, was a 4chan irony-pilled edge lord, according to former friends who talked to Ken Clippenstein. His brother said, I didn't think he was politically interested. He wasn't interested in politics on either side as far as I knew. One of those former friends even said that he didn't believe that any messages left could be sincere political beliefs. This is what a, this is how much of a irony lord.

Yeah, it's a shit poster guy trying to, it's, first of all, I just want to say that. everyone's going to do whose side anyway discourse-wise like that's going to happen it would be awesome if the head of the FBI didn't participate like I know it's going to happen no matter what that's just how it is but like the fact that he's like on a team and it's his mission to deflect any sort of like suspicion uh is really really going to be a big problem it's just suspicious and weird and it's a problem I think growing big time it's incredible it's incredible difficult to trust anything they say

and not just because they're a you know I disagree with him on literally everything that they believe and want to do but because of the way that they're handling this and because of the obvious narrative they want to spin anti-ice that's not what we say

that's not what we say it's not what anyone says it's not what anyone left broadly it it feel anything could have happened. This person, and that could illustrate how this person really didn't subscribe to this movement at all and did not actually have an ideology, but I'll just say this.

I cannot help but think, oh, they could have just scribbled that on. There's literally no reason for me to take at face value what they're putting out. And I don't want to be the kind of person that is spiraling and conspiracy-minded, but they are knowing nothing to make it seem like this is in good faith or that there is any sort of an attempt to, again, de-escalate this. It all feels like you want to pin literally everything on the left. It's all, I do resent it, actually, because when he shared that engraved message on the bullet casing, I was like, oh, so you're lying? Like, you're just doing cop shit now? it's so like the fact that he said it was engraved is absurd we all see the picture it's not engraved

why would you say it's engraved and then double down on it being engraved it's not engraved it's a pen and obviously no one says anti-ice no one would do that the only thing that the only thought is like okay after hearing like oh he was this way he's this way like spent all this time before chan irony pills like oh so he did that as a joke for what we're seeing now like oh yeah it'll be really funny when Cash Patel sees this thing that says anti-ice and they'll think it's this side doing this or whatever. So many

of these shooters recently, and it sucks that I have to say many shooters recently. But there you go. It doesn't fit into those pegs. Most people, if you ever read these voter

focus groups are very fluid. Most people who are very very invested in politics get invested in politics and don't think well this is the only way to do things uh politically so it's not surprising that um someone would be not a leftist or not maga but still be very angry about something the president is doing that's what people do the the bad thing is that they go out and start shooting in order to to carry that out now for this specific suspect uh i mean it appears that it's just like like outrage he he apparently would

just like lost all of his friends over the last few years because he wouldn't give up this kind of persona yeah attitude he apparently left uh rape jokes on every um facebook friends feed you know and people are like okay i'm just going to mute you or block you now because it's not funny. I haven't listened to it, but apparently there's an audio recording of him trying stand up and bombing. I heard that, yeah. His former friends were like, it felt like the Joker movie.

Like, it felt like this guy who's just angry that nobody thought his schick was funny. Right. And that's not like, that's not Republican or Democrat. It's like this is a completely different thing. Exactly. What's sad to me, without wasting any of my energy having empathy or sympathy. for this person, but in general, for all of us, the conversation immediately becomes left, right, blah, blah, blah, defending everything.

We need to be talking about what's happening online and has been for decades for this brain rock and, you know, the isolation. We talk about it, of course, and people talk about it vaguely, but there's not enough attention. There really isn't. There needs to be some deep dive, a social collection. Reckoning with what we have created and the effects on people and the alienation. And it is sad. This person has lost his friends over the course of many years and has become more and more isolated and acts out. We don't know much about this person. But it's a story that keeps happening over and over again. And we waste literally no time trying to actively engage with that because we all are addicted to it and we all rely on it. And it's a part of our. our lives and nobody wants to give it up. Nobody wants to, I don't know. It's very overwhelming feeling. Yeah. And when it's a pattern and clearly a thing is happening and then every single

time, again, you have Cash Patel being like, actually, it was a professional Democrat who did it or whatever. It's like, that's the directive. And you don't care. You're exactly. You have your orders and you're going to try your best to scrawl messages on bullet casings. Or whatever, instead of accurately giving out disinformation and making people feel like they know what's going on and can trust them and so on. Again, it's like the chaotic like acceleration is soup almost. I want to talk briefly about this. There's another shooting, this ABC shooter. And it happened about six days ago, fired shots into a lobby of an ABC station. He's he's taken into custody and so on. No one was injured.

All the headlines were like, uh, potential like Jimmy Kimmel shooter and like, oh, a politically motivated shooter, uh, after the Kimmel stuff. Like, they tied, they tied it to immediately they immediately. They tied it to, well, Kimmel was fired. And so this person fired gunshots in ABC. And if you read the actual articles with those headlines, you go down and they describe the political message. And one of them was a note that was a, about the Epstein files and Pam Bondi and Cash Patel and Dan Bonchino so it had nothing to do with Jimmy Kimmel

it probably didn't have anything to do with anyone like on the left because people on the left aren't like mad specifically at Pam Bondi for the Epstein files like that's a very specific viewpoint about the Epstein files so it's just very it's really gross all these like media outlets and of course Cash Patel sort of forcing this framing

another thing they found was allegedly on a whiteboard calendar in his home on the day of the shooting and it said do the next scary thing and that I think is really so much of what's going on here with a lot of these it's not like oh yeah I'm mad that this happened or like I'm mad that ABC did this

it's like no oh everyone's scared I'm going to be I'm going to do it too I'm going to contribute to this atmosphere of fear and chaos that everyone is feeling and try to heighten the temperature. Same with this ice shooter. If you're like an edge lord guy who wants to get a rise out of everybody and is just a troll,

then what are you going to do? Oh, I'm going to like write like anti-ice and be like, oh, watch out and stuff. But he doesn't care. It's just the reaction is what they're going for. And it's horrifying because it also involves gun violence. Because immediately, you know, Vance gave a speech and pointed fingers at the left and, you know, Trump has already labeled Antifa a terrorist organization, and now he wants Pam Bondi to go after Soros groups, and he's going to, you know, we're going to infiltrate and take apart all these

groups, whatever groups those are. Act Blue. It does feel to me, like, like, after Charlie Kirk, it was full court press, and now Trump's numbers are even lower after that, because it felt pretty ugly what they did after the Charlie Kirk murder? I don't know that it's landing well. I don't know that the big propaganda political rally masquerading as a memorial service and all of the fiery rhetoric is landing the way they want it to. It's hard to gauge. But yeah, you know, his popularity is tanking ever all of their popularity is down.

RFK Jr. used to be the most popular member of this administration and now he's minus 21 and We'll talk about why shortly. We'll get to it. But I just wanted to say from a big picture of view is that I don't know that the rhetoric is working they want it to. I'm not sure that it's not. Because it ebbs and flows, right? Like if an event will like spook people and then, but then their reaction will also be weird. And then it like kind of simmers and then you move on and it's unclear like how, yeah, how committed they are.

Stephen Miller definitely is like, but I thought we were going to do a thing, guys. come on and Vance It's just the biggest liar In the fucking world But yeah They've got too many Not too many projects

Yesterday Vance was asked About the FCC thing And he was like Well I want to answer this In good faith So the FCC chair Went on and posted a joke

And that was really mad about that What do you mean he posted a joke He said it out loud on camera What do you mean you're answering A good faith What a piece of shit The joke he published hosted was not the easy way or the hard way.

He said that on the podcast. The joke was the Jack Nicholson. Project 2025 thing. Notting. Yeah, saying that it was part of Project 25 to do this. Because he wrote Project 2025. So, of course, he's going to say, yeah, we're doing it. That's not what we're talking about.

We're talking about him going on and saying out loud, we can do the easy way or the hard way. Even if that's a joke. JD. The mob-like threat still happened. JD? Right. J-D. The president was like, well, then I'll sue them if they're going to put him back

on the air. It's just like all of it, all of it combined with right before saying that being like, well, I want to answer this question in good faith. And then lies. I want to answer this question in good faith. But I'm not going to. I just can't. I can't do it. Jimmy Kimmel is back. Jimmy Kimmel's back now they put him back on the air. Or whatever. Our guy, I guess. You know what? But like people are like, oh, you're making me go to bat for Jimmy Kimmel. I hate that you're making me do this. But I didn't have anything against Jim. I don't have a problem. I'm like so. Yeah, he's good. He's whatever. He's a type of entertainer. He does it. It is true that like late night shows are going away. Um, right? I was like a huge Conan fan growing up, but even by the end of Conan's TBS show, it was nobody was really

watching anymore because it's not what people did. Well, I think people were tuning in for the little skits I did on it. Yeah, no. I would, I tuned in. He's up here a little bit, Jonathan. I too. I mean, listen. Okay. Shots fired. First night back for Kimmel drew six point. 2.26 million viewers, even though it wasn't airing in a quarter of the country, because Nexstar and Sinclair stick into their guns. So it was his highest ratings in over a decade. And as of yesterday, when I looked it up, the YouTube video of his monologue had 16 million views. It's probably over 20 million. Now, of course, this was going to... Getting into Mr. Beast territory. But like, of course this was going to happen, right? No, it was

funny. He had good jokes. You know, he didn't apologize, but he did say, obviously, I didn't want to disparage a group of people or Charlie Kirk even though he didn't he didn't he didn't do that he didn't even mention yeah I think he did a good job with it no this is backfiring I think on the administration people don't want their late night shows taken away even if they're not huge fans even if they're not like libs or whatever yeah it's it's like again like despite what J.D. Vance says yeah they went out and they threatened them and then they pulled them and then they put him back on and the president's like, well, I don't think he should be on there. I'm going to sue them

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report in the Miami Herald over a week ago that hasn't really become like a mainstream story in the lame stream media there were 1800 men detained there during the month of July and the Miami Herald could not track down where two-thirds of them are their families don't know where they are their lawyers can't get in touch with them so angry about this and 800 of those detainees

had no record on ICE's online database, and this may be because it's a state, you know, Florida runs it, not the federal government, ICE doesn't run it. So, you know, they might just be there and they'll get transferred or they'll get their day in immigration court, or they might be gone overseas. Their families don't know. Their lawyers don't know. They're just disappearing. Yeah, when you're naming your facility alligator Alcatraz, it doesn't really give a lot of confidence that you're, uh, you care about anybody being detained there or are there safety or lives or anything like that. There's no accountability. Uh, we don't know if they, who they logged and who they didn't, where they put them. And it is terrifying. It is terrifying that this

many people are missing, disappeared, relocated, deported. What's happening to them? Are people getting the medications they need? Uh, you know, families in dismiss. not being able to find their loved ones. This is fucking bananas. And there's no recourse. Yeah. And, you know, it can be really tough to elevate these cases, right? Kilmar, Brego-Garcia was a huge case of an individual we were following.

But these are people we don't know their names. Their families are just desperate. And I'm sure some of them are, you know, getting their cases in front of judges who are saying, okay, we have to have a process here. The lawyers aren't going to stop. It's still like a local thing. It's not like Trump is going to, you know, local municipalities in Florida

or saying ignore the law still. But the issue is that we just don't know. We just don't know what's happened to people. And I'm not suggesting some, you know, that they've done the catastrophic thing or that we always talk. I'm not saying that, but really troubling that they can just disappear.

people in the thousands and nobody seems to know about it and it's tough because only local newspapers are covering it and credit to the Miami Herald for still doing it work because it's you know couldn't be easy not to yeah let's talk about Tylenol nothing bad can happen it can only good happen but with Tylenol don't take it don't take it and if you can't live if your fever is so bad you have to take one because there's no alternative to that sadly first question what can you take instead it's actually there's not an alternative to that and as you know other other of the medicines are absolutely proven bad i mean they've been proven bad with the aspirins and the ad bills and others right and they've been proven bad

sir you are a hot mess this entire thing like if if you do have the time to sit there for 45 minutes and watch this whole press conference, it's very embarrassing for them and he's just fortunate that most people don't do that. It makes him seem like he does not know what is going on. Now, makes him seem that way. In the second part of that he shows that he does not know. Like he does kind of cheapen his argument a little bit. So months ago, RFK and Trump, they said, we're going to figure out autism and we'll have the big announcement about what causes autism in September. And then it's September. Like all science goes. That's how you do it, right? Right. It's September. And RFK's like, okay, we're ready to go and say it's all the

vaccines. And Trump's like, except mine, which is good. You can't say that. You can't say all vaccines. I like some of them, the polio, for example. So, and they're, he's like, well, we did promise and the plan was the vaccines. And he's like, what about this thing? So they announced that pregnant women should not take acetaminephine, let me just see, acetaminephine, is that okay? Is that okay? Is that okay? Well, let's see how we say that. Ascetaminopin. Acetaminopin. Is that okay? No, you can't take acetamin, also known as Tylenol, or paracetamol in Europe, because it can increase the baby's risk of developing autism. It can. we'll talk about that or it's not been there's an association but it's not we'll talk about it

so this was this rambly press conference where he's like don't take Tylenol but unfortunately you can't take Advil or a leave or aspirin because those things are proven bad and this one hasn't been proven bad and also vaccines we pump too much he said so much stuff in this thing oh yeah too much liquid in the little bodies too much liquid in the little body break it up over four I'd even say five but maybe four what that's a gibberish thing that he said it does like he was he went in hot not prepared he's like I got this and then in the middle of it's like I don't got the words and it's I know I'm I sound probably rambly trying to describe briefly what happened in this thing and it is hard to do that I want to read quote other things we recommend

or certainly I do anyway is uh and it's so important to me is to take you see the doctor four or five times for a vaccine don't let them pump your baby up with the largest pile of stuff you've ever seen in your life going into the delicate little body of a baby even if it's two years three years four years you just break it up into i would say five but let's say four four visits to the doctor instead of one and uh certain things i think you should do we have already taken out embarrassing uh hilarious terrifying that this man uh uh is president i mean no he just says whatever it's like wild he was like randomly he was like the mmr i think should be taken separately this is based on what I feel is what he said like how do you like why you talk why are you doing that what are we

doing like what is what is this what it it does not feel like his heart is in it it feels like he made a deal with the devil RFK to get a percentage of voters on his side uh he's sticking with him I think he's always he's sticking with him well until he takes a look at the popularity points taking maybe uh but he's like I don't know I fed this rabid machine about on autism. So I'm going to have to say something. I promised a report. That's the energy I'm getting from this. He doesn't seem to believe what he's saying. And you know what? That's good. He shouldn't. Because it's interesting how literally no other country in the world is giving this advice, right? Like no one else is going out there banging this drum. Or doctors. Or doctors. Like American doctors have a much more nuanced view of this. We can't trust doctors, Cody.

Science is woke now. So let's even remove that. Let's just look at other countries. No, I'm not serious. Science is not woke now. Oh, thank God. And Jonathan, you can probably more eloquently, you've taken notes here,

break down why this is bullshit. Right. So there have been several large scale studies looking at this. It can be tough to do anyway because it's based on self. reporting did I take Tylenol during my pregnancy? How often did I not? That kind of thing. There was one study that showed an association, but then they did what's called a sibling control analysis. And they found, well, a parent who has multiple children with a neurodevelopmental disorder would have been likely to have taken Tylenol during both. Then the association vanished. And the reason they think it was there in the first place is because some parents, may have been genetically more likely to have children with neurodevelopmental disorders and experience a lot of pain in pregnancy necessitating the taking of a pain killer.

That there's genetic factors here and those things may be linked. So it's a correlation causation thing, basically. Yeah, it's not super clear. There are a lot of like different explanations and possibilities, which is why you can't go out and be like definitively it's this. if you're sick a lot during pregnancy and you have to take a lot of Tylenol, maybe it's the sickness stuff, like during that period that we don't know what the cause, you know. Like anything, there is a risk assessment in our lives. And if you're a pregnant woman and you have a very high fever, that is extremely dangerous for you and for your baby. And so there is a risk assessment. And this fear mongering. around maybe this might cause autism in my child. Autism, by the way, which isn't a bad thing. There's a

spectrum and just the idea of just immediately vilifying everybody that is born, you know, with brains that work differently from the standard because we're all sane out here. Look at the internet. We're all healthy and normal. It's fine. But the autism, that's the problem. with his fucking country. Anyway, it's madness, in my humble opinion. I would rather have my baby and be alive to take care of my baby than spend an ounce of energy worrying about how that baby's going to come out. Obviously do your best. But what are we talking about here? And again, once you remove the sibling factor, the association disappears. I also worry because there's, there are plenty of things, studies to be done and information to be gathered about autism and how it works.

But there's other factors you can point to just to jump on the Tylenol train. No, they needed an answer and this is their thing. And then they also announced, and this hasn't gotten as much attention because of the incoherent nonsense. But they also want to promote this drug lucoverin, which is used. to treat something else as a quote-unquote treatment for autism and they want to encourage doctors to prescribe it off-label to children who have autism and it's essentially philinic acid it's a modified version of vitamin b9 there have been small studies that have suggested that people with autism are more likely to have certain antibodies that interfere

with folate and that this could potentially alter that this is a little alter that this is is also not proven. It is not something that all people might want. But, you know, it's like there's all these little things and the president cannot go out there and just say, oh, we're also looking into this and this ends autism. It's an extremely irresponsible thing to say. despite you know stories of parents and and children who have done this and they'll like it all that stuff right like there's a spectrum of things you can do depending on the situation you're in with your doctor and trump and rfk junior shouldn't be spouting off about it so yeah so confidently and publicly and politically um it's not it's not normal it's weird um it's not like how to safely go about this stuff they they uh they resurfaced like an old tweet from Tylenol from like 2017 that was like we don't recommend uh taking Tylenol when you're when you're pregnant and then the White House was like see we were right and Tylenol's like no we

don't recommend any over-the-counter drugs like that to anybody without consulting your doctor it's like just what it's like the practice of these kind of like medications um and like they just had like they have to clarify like what they mean and like why why certain like why you can't recommend things without consulting your doctor or things like that there's all these regulations with medication it's very frustrating just to see like i've never been pregnant um but a lot of my friends have or are currently pregnant and it's already overwhelming every year it seems like there's different advice do this don't do that it's stressful Your hormones are going.

You're creating life. Every day you're doing your best to protect your unborn child and yourself while living your life. It's a lot. And to have to constantly be keeping track of everyone's different this year. Absolutely not. You cannot do that last year. That was the recommended advice. And it's hard for women to do what they think is best for their body as is.

and just to add to this and this whole social stigma is if it's the mother's fault we don't talk about old dusty ass sperm but that's apparently the older you get the men specifically 60 years old thinking you can still go out there and procreate well you're increasing the choice you guess you can right but i mean but it's never it's never men's fault but that's not the conversation at all. It's mothers. It's mothers and women have to do this. And also you have to endure the pain. There's nothing we can do. Which he talked about at the thing. You're going to be uncomfortable. You're going to be in pain. But that's, you know, you're right. It's a, it's, it just happens. It's very convenient for them that it means women have to be subjugated. Let's see Donald Trump, uh, handle the pain that just women endure every fucking month. You know, let me forget that. Men forget that. Men forget. that sorry boys but uh women spend half of every month in some sort of disarray because of our bodies and have to just not talk about it sorry i like my advil and my Tylenol when i need it also um as

all doctors will say and many have in relation to this every single person is different and reacts to different things differently um it is really does come down to like well, what about you and your doctor? Not Trump going out there and being like, don't take it or do. I don't know. However I feel at the moment, it's, that's not how medicine works. Maybe the experts are right, but I don't think so. Whatever.

No, like, it would have been great if he went out there and said, well, the increase in autism, there's been diagnostic changes, you know, a manner having children at older ages, which increases the risks, a lot of different things. There's nuance to this people. Jonathan, you brought up something important. It's glossed over, I guess. The increase of autism diagnoses should be a – this should be common sense to everybody, but we've changed the guidelines for how to diagnose it and expanded.

As we've researched and understood it more over the years, that happened in the late 90s, that happened in the early 2000s. There is a reason why we have more – cases diagnosed, and that one of the reasons is we've changed how we diagnose it. Yes, if you look at history, probably a lot of the people that we've revered and put on a cultural pedestal throughout time have probably had autism. But that aside, it's not to say that it's not worth looking into and trying to understand this more. There are probably environmental factors. There are probably things that we ingest. There are probably chemicals around in our paints or whatever.

There are things that might be affecting us. Not everybody, because like Cody said, we're all individually different. But they don't want to do that. They don't want to look into all those things. They want to blame something and put it on women carrying a child. That's the simplest thing that they can try to regulate as opposed to industries or, you know, and I'm not even trying to vilify our food XYZ. I'm saying that there's a lot of stuff that we unknowingly

ingest all the time all around us and it's probably affecting us on some level. Also, autism isn't bad. Some people struggle with some of it and raising kids

and it can be tough but like it's not it's not this like this like weird like death sentence sort of like idea like they're kind of trying to push and like um so you know i sympathize with people who do struggle with it but like it's not that's also really important i'm going to piggyback on that because yeah cody's right it's not there's different levels of autism and it certainly can make your life harder i have empathy for people navigating it you've got a young child and you're figuring out how to give them the best life possible and so

I don't mean to minimize that, but I am saying that this cultural conversation that we're having is othering your children and othering us in a way that is unnecessary and not going to make anybody's life easier. As Dr. Oz says, you're responsible for your health. So if your child has autism, if your child's on the autism spectrum, that's something you're doing wrong. that's a problem for you. You caused it and it's bad and now you have to take responsibility for it

perhaps with one of Dr. Oz's fucking supplements or whatever he's selling. Get it on Medicaid. Yeah, I want to kind of highlight that too because they're not allowed to do nuance they're only allowed to like say we fixed it, we have the problem. But it is this sort of like this movement

of sort of conflating all these elements of health and with like your character like it's not just like well it's your responsibility it's also like well it's your fault and it shows a fault in you as a person in a lot of ways the way they're framing this like you got to just like toughen it out and not do it and I also want to highlight Katie what you've been talking about is this sort of like well I guess we can blame women and sort of put this burden on them and really highlight the what they want people to see

as women's only role in society, right? It's your responsibility for doing this one thing, and that's what we only want you to do, and talking about this medication in this way and, like, their responsibility, and, like, you've got to fight it out and making this big national thing and putting it on mothers really does seem like

just a sort of step in their desire to just control women and put them in one box. Thank you. I agree with you completely on your agreement with me. All right. Thank you, everybody. As always, like and subscribe. Oh, yeah. I told myself I was going to start saying that at the beginning of episodes. I guess if you like this, it'll be in the algorithm and more people will see it, which is what we want, right? Yeah. Like and subscribe. We appreciate you so much. And even more than that. What? I mean, we appreciate you, but also. What? We love you very much.

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