Some More News - Even More News: I Did Everything Right And They Convicted Me On 34 Felony Counts

Episode Date: May 31, 2024

Hi. Well, we finished recording our episode about an hour before Trump was convicted. So, at the top of this episode, you'll hear Cody and Jonathan, who jumped back on for some immediate reaction. After that is the actual episode, where podcaster and Some More News writer Katie Goldin is back to talk about Joe Biden's pretend red line in Rafah, billionaires once again venturing into the ocean, and the return of those pro-natalist weirdos. Follow us on social media: Twitter: https://twitter.com/SomeMoreNews Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/SomeMoreNews/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SomeMoreNews/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somemorenews Check out our MERCH STORE: https://shop.somemorenews.com SUBSCRIBE to SOME MORE NEWS: https://tinyurl.com/ybfx89rh Subscribe to the Even More News and SMN audio podcasts here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/some-more-news/id1364825229 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6ebqegozpFt9hY2WJ7TDiA Timecodes0:00 - Trump Guilty! (prologue)7:47 - Intro to the actual show (nuts)11:53 - Holidays (holidays)19:53 - Rafah and Biden's "red line"53:23 - Billionaires in the deep sea59:33 - The pronatalist weirdos are back

Hello, hello, everybody. Welcome to our brief interruption into the intro that is normally here. Sorry, Katie, you have to wait. We are here to talk about the news that I'm sure you all know about. We were recording this episode in the afternoon of Thursday, May 30. And then about an hour later, some news happened. Jonathan, do you want to let us know the news? Yeah, Donald Trump was found guilty on 34 felony counts, all of them unanimously, all of them, all of them. So pretty quickly, too, it seems. Didn't seem like it took long. They the judge like sent word to the jury like, Hey, are you guys ready yet? And they're like, not quite. Not really. And he's like, OK, then we're going to dismiss and come back tomorrow. And they were like, no, no the jury, like, hey, are you guys ready yet? And they're like, not quite, not really. And he's like, okay, then we're going to dismiss and come back tomorrow.

And they were like, no, no, no, hold up, hold up. We got it. We got it. We got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can take care of it. There must have been one person being like, I think we, you know, it's a bit, you know, we all have our opinions about Trump, but we probably owe, you know, this. But then the guy's like, I got Yankees tickets tonight. I got to get out of here. You know? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. We were trying to be. Yeah. It's very funny news. We'll see what happens.

Obviously, the sentencing isn't has not happened yet. And it won't happen until like a few days before the RNC, which is very funny. July 11th is the sentencing Republican National Convention. It is on July 15. So yes, four days prior. Very close, very funny dates to choose. So maybe he'll get sentenced to who knows what he'll get sentenced to. But it would be really funny if he was sentenced to actual jail time and they had to nominate him four days later. Yeah, this is unlikely. Which they would do. It is unlikely. But yeah, so there's really not much to say other than

ha ha ha ha ha ha. This is a funny thing to happen. It does feel good. And people are going to hear us like be mad at Joe Biden with good cause for a while in the upcoming episode. But it feels good that the guy got convicted and then he went out and he was like, this was a rigged trial. He said, I'm a very innocent man. I don't know how all the most the most there's a ranking of how innocent you are. And he's like, I'm extremely very there's mostly innocent.

There's kind of innocent, but he is extremely innocent. We love our extremely innocent former president and maybe future president who knows because he won't be able to vote for himself, but he will be able to run for president. And there was a little bit of confusion about this. From what I understand, he will be able to vote for himself for president. Florida defers to a state's disenfranchisement laws. So as long as he's not incarcerated under New York law in Florida, he'll be able to vote for himself.

So if if Trump wins Florida by one vote, I get that Trump, I got him. And obviously, like, it's just one of those situations where it's like, you know, we've talked about, you know, the, you know, taking away people's votes for being felons and all this sort of. And the the the problem with that in our justice system. But we're going to think this is funny. It's OK. We're going to think this is really, really funny right now.

Because what else are we going to what else? Yeah, no, I think it's very valid to feel good and funny about this. And yes, it doesn't mean we want to take everyone's votes away. But it would be funny if all of the bad stuff that we tend to do to people in our criminal justice system happened to him a couple hours. At Rikers Island. It'd be really funny. Just one, just one, just one president, one former president, please,

for a little bit of time. And oh, I do. Well, we're having fun with this and we'll get to the real episode. Sorry, Katie, again, who is not actually here. She's out living her life. She's going to be here for the emergency. No, no, no. That's what they call these things. They were doing. I know.

I hate it every time I hear I hear that. I'm like, it's not an emergency podcast. But while we're having fun, it should be mentioned. Some people are already mentioning this. The jurors are like this is actually like a big deal for them to have done in the sense that they are now in more danger than they were. I'm sure we'll see more and more people get more and more mad over the next few days and talking about this sham trial that is going to destroy the nation and has

destroyed the nation and we're banana republic all this sort of stuff. They are implicated in this. or Banana Republic, all this sort of stuff. They are implicated in this, and they knew that, and they did this anyway. So just kind of like props to them for doing it. Yeah. I don't know. They've done a good job after that first person who left the jury was immediately revealed

and had to not be on the jury anymore. I also think, I mean, I don't want to give Jesse Waters any credit. They did calm that stuff down after an admonishment from the judge. No one wants to get in that kind of trouble. But people are going to try to find out who these people are. And I feel like the gloves, if the gloves were on at all for Fox News or Newsmax or whatever, they're going to try to find these people. Yes. Yes. And yeah, pretty even even on these charges. Very brave thing to do, I think. Yeah, yeah. It's worth mentioning. And sure,

you know, credit to Jesse Waters, who one day will be thrown up on by me as promised. I mean, I think it's a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a

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little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little this game a little earlier today. Any account that's like the most mad they've ever been. I just see I've seen a lot of like like what Michael Flynn, like a lot of accounts talk about how the Rubicon has been crossed now. And just anybody, if you're out there, just do a search of that account

with the word Rubicon and you will find how many times the Rubicon has been crossed. It's very, very funny how mad they are and how there's all these statements like Marco Rubio, like this is lawfare. And it's like, come on, guys. Yeah. Elon or Linda, Yacarino tomorrow is going to tweet like engagement was up 8000% yesterday and it was all cat turd. Just tweeting through. Yes, just cat turd and bots.

That's what it was. We can't we can't wait, folks. All cat turd just tweeting through it. Yes. Just cat turd and bots. That's what it was. Oh my God. We can't wait. We can't wait, folks. I love when I when I engage in politics, I love the justice system. Smiley face. That's Linda's tweet.

Like it truly is an event that happened. We love her. But yeah, I think that I think that's that's good. We just wanted to because we talked about it in the original recording this episode, and we were like, we'll pop in if there's news, but there might not be. So we wanted to just sort of get it out of the way up top. This thing happened. It's very funny.

Everybody listening knows that it happened and is laughing along with us, I'm sure. And I'm sure we'll talk more about any fallout from this appeals, whatever is next next week. Totally. Yeah, yeah. This is this is more just sort of like acknowledging it and expressing the humor and the the little joy that, you know, everybody can be Jeff Tiedrich today. It's fine. Let yourself let yourself go. All right.

Hey, Katie, take it away. You know, everybody can be Jeff Tiedrich today. It's fine. Let yourself go. All right. Hey, Katie, take it away. ["Let's All Hit Record"] Let's all hit record. Let's all hit record. And have ourselves a treat, an unsalted cashew. Wow. I accidentally got the unsalted kind.

Bold. Okay, I was worried. I was like, are you okay? No, I'm not okay with you. Did you put some salt on it? That is such a good idea. Yeah. Well, maybe spray it with some canola oil.

So the salt sticks. I got to go make a Bavarian pretzel. I'll be right back. Let's just add some salt. No, I'm not really. Normally I eat them with cheese, and so I don't notice as much that they don't have flavor, but I like the texture of cashews a lot. I like the flavor of a cashew, but do you like cashew cheese?

Welcome to Nuts Pod. It's real bad. Let's start. Oh, I am recording. I'm going to the pod where we rate nuts. Welcome to D's Pods, D's Pods, these nuts. Macadamia Macadamia is solid. Solid. Do we count sesame seeds? No, I'm sorry. Do we count?

What's the other one? Sunflower seeds? Are those sunflower seeds a nut or a seed? Yeah, culinarily they're a nut. It's a seed? Right. In my mind they are a seed. They don't have the same impact, isn't it? I'm just gonna say this, we do have to start the show. There was one point where Dave called Joe Biden the bland cashew. Like he's like the cashew of nuts. And I was offended. Like these cashews are my favorite nut.

Well, just like Joe Biden's your favorite president. That's- How fucking dare you? It's, I'm just saying that. Can we all agree? Cashews are objectively fancier. They are like twice as expensive. They're very good.

Can we just all agree that- They love ethnic cleansing brazil nuts are really bad and I hate them too big uh yeah they are too big I don't like them I don't trust them yeah I'm okay with the brazil nut but I never buy them but I don't know necessarily avoid them in the mix I see that in a nut mix, and I don't wanna go near that. It's like the cantaloupe of the nut mix. Yeah. All right. I'm gonna text Quincy,

but we haven't started the show yet. Hope you like nuts. Hope you like the nut talk. Deez nuts, Q. This is in the show, right? This is the show. We can leave it in the show. Leave it all in!

Welcome to Nut Chat. Back to Nut Chat! Pissed Radio! The first and only Nut Chat! My name's Nut Chat Stole! My name's K. Welcome back to Even More News! The first and only news podcast where

sometimes we talk about nuts. My name is Katie... Nut Chat Stole. I'm Picoti... John... My name is Katie... Nut Chat stole. I'm Picoti... Johnseed. Ooh! Look, it's not great, but we got here.

Anne? Yeah, I'm Katie and also Nuts. And then Golden. Macadamia! My Macadamia! What was I doing? Oh, fuck, man. You had it and you lost it. KD's nuts. Oh.

And with his as always is Jonathan. Katie stole your nuts. Never been more happy not to be introduced on this show because I don't have to come up with a nut for my name. I feel like we're all just procrastinating because we don't want to get sad on the podcast. It's always a struggle. Classic start to this show.

It's always a struggle. Yeah, the whole top portion of the show exists in general for us to get our vibes good before we bring them back low. We were talking about nuts because I've got some snacking nuts here with me, some roasted cashews. However, they are unsalted, but it's nice to have a snack on hand when you love to have a snack on hand. Potting. We do.

Oh, and you know what else we love to have on hand? Holidays. Holidays. I was right. Yeah. Holidays nuts. Holidays nuts. Holidays nuts.

May 31st, National Speak In Complete Sentences Day. It's entirely possible to celebrate the day while texting as well. So no LOL or ASAP on May 31st. Why can't you use, I think ASAP could be in a full and complete sentence. Yeah, and so there's suggestions. So if you must laugh out loud as soon as possible, you will need to say or type it completely and be sure to include, okay, they do.

I was like, you can't say laugh out loud and call that a complete sentence. I guess if you're telling somebody to laugh out loud, that would count. But if you're saying that you laugh out loud, then that's not gonna work. Is it bad podcasting just to make a fart noise? Because that's like how I feel about this holiday.

It's just sort of, I don't know. Put in a fart noise or like a, yeah baby. Yeah, you know. It's a womp-womp. It's a community center who's like thinks that this is gonna be really passive aggressive towards the kids. And they came up with this. Okay, so. Also, shouldn't they call it-

The national day calendar also suggests that you celebrate this day by quote, visiting your English teacher from high school. Maybe the teacher will remember which parts of the class you slept through. Don't do that, that's weird. I think so weird to go seek out- It's a school day. It's a school day. I mean do that. That's weird. I think so weird to go seek out your it's a school day. I mean, maybe it's not weird. Maybe a teacher would like teachers

like that, but not for this stupid holiday. If everybody started, if this became a thing where every year they have to like talk to the students they once taught. No, but teachers enjoy that generally. I think I've heard that like it's nice to have your students come and be like, oh, thanks so much for all you taught me and so on. How have you been? And so on all that kind of stuff, but not for this holiday. Not for this holiday. Also, if you're going to do this national speak and complete sentences day, call it. It is national speak and complete sentences day.

Thank you. That is a complete sense. That's a really good note. Although I guess I did have a teacher who named their child after me, so maybe he would like to hear from me. Wow. It was weird. It was a weird situation.

That's weird. Should I have said it out loud? I don't know. It's fine. Is the teacher still alive? What's going on? What's that guy up to? He named her kid Stole?

Katie. Oh. Yeah. Weird name. They named them Stole Your Nuts, What's that? What's that guy have to he named her kid stole Katie? Oh Weird name they named them Stole your nuts and it was so weird and they're always moving to the child news mother Yeah, they named every time every iteration of me. They update their their child's birth certificate It's strange. That is strange June 1st National Game Show Day birth certificate. It's strange. That is strange. June 1st, National Game Show Day. The TV network buzzer in 2023. OK, so this is this is an ancient holiday.

I do feel like maybe they might be biased. Yeah, I think you're right. I think they want people to watch their network. Did you say the network buzzer? Buzzer with no E. BzzzR. It's an app, I assume. What do you think they show on this network?

Bees. Bees, yes. I was gonna say wasps. Wasp stuff, yeah. Yeah, wasp stuff. I was just gonna, like, I mean reviews of different, like, buzzers and sounds and alerts that you use in, like, debates and whatnot. Also like, maybe it's like rumors. Like they just like, they just always go like, what's the buzz?

Oh, I was going in a different direction. I hope they play rumors during the day too. Like it would be a missed opportunity if they didn't. I don't know, maybe they would play old episodes of Queen for a Day. I would like to see, my grandma was on Queen for a Day and I would love, love, love to find it. Do it. Does anybody know what Queen for the Day is?

I don't know what you're talking about. Not a clue. Well, we don't have any catch up or get to know your questions written out. So I'll just tell you guys this story. You're really calling me out on this episode. No, no, no. Why would you? It's Katie. I just started to love like normally we like to get like to like get to know you questions, like ask our guests like stuff.

But here's the story about my grandma. I wasn't. Yeah, everyone. I don't want them to know anything about me. I want to be a pleasant mystery. Perfect. So I'm going to tell you guys this story real quick. And I want to see if it's actually if this story has changed over the years and in my mother's memory of telling it. But Queen for a Day was a show, very popular show

back in the day of the 50s, 60s, whatever. And they would get women on, you'd go to the audience and you'd write down your story and like people would get picked to go up on stage. And the person with the biggest, the saddest story would be crowned queen for a day. So it's like people talking about losing their children, their husbands in the war, or, you know, ejected from a car. My grandma gets called up there and her story was, well, I agreed to go fishing with my husband and, oh, I cannot tell you, it was horrifying.

Fish were just leaping out of the sea. So many fish, hundreds of fish jumping in my boat. And it was so scary. And the host is like, hundreds of fish, Bonnie. And she's like, well, maybe not hundreds. And she was saying they're huge fish. And they're like, how big is the fish, Bonnie? And she's like, well, and her hands get smaller. And my mom was deeply embarrassed and this was on TV and I'm dying to find it. Please find that.

Okay, so I've been looking, there are some episodes available, I guess a lot have been lost and as all of the episode guides I'm looking at don't list the contestants unfortunately. I know. But we can. We have to just watch all of the episode guides I'm looking at don't list the contestants, unfortunately. I know. But we can. We have to just watch all of them.

We need to watch all of them. Wherever they are, a national archive. Fun fact, Katie Stoll was in a little web series called Prom Queen back in the day, and there's an episode of that show called Queen for a Day. It's true. It's true. In that episode, Sadie gets a shocker.

That's me. I was Sadie. Your character was named Sadie? My character was named Sadie. I'm loving this interview of me. Yeah, my first job in LA. I got cast in Prom Queen and it was really exciting. It was, we did short episodes every day for several months and it was like the first show to be put on the front page of my space, my face.

And I was the alternative girl who like ran the newspaper and like, I'm not going to prom because that is just capital. Like, I mean, and they just typecast me. And anyway, Sadie ends up through a bunch of dramatic mishaps of the prom queen. Congratulations, because somebody and then somebody pulls a gun on. It's really dramatic. That's neat. I wouldn't recommend it.

When I was in eighth grade, I we were tasked with doing a historical sort of skit about Queen Elizabeth and like Mary Queen of Scots or something. And so my whole thing was that I was the vengeful spirit because my head had been chopped off in a horrible fashion. And I was screaming about how like they missed my head and hit me in the skull and blood was gushing everywhere. And it was a big hit. And my teacher was not really happy with me. That sounds amazing

So we've both been Queen for a day at one point. Queen for a day. There we go. Well This is gonna be a hard pivot into the news. Yeah, so now comes the point where we talk about the big news of the week, and I don't even want to introduce it, but we should talk about Rafa. Yes.

Biden's red line. And I'm going to now cowardly throw to you, Jonathan, to get us started. No, that's OK. That's what I'm here for is to save the things. So this week, Israel is pushing further into Rafa days after a strike that killed dozens of people sheltered in tents using our bombs, mostly women and children. There have been a couple of different strikes this week, and Israel has had varying excuses.

They claim they've taken out members of Hamas. And then after further condemnation, Benjamin Netanyahu called it a tragic mistake. The IDF denied that they participated in another strike on a tent camp near Rafa that killed 21 people. I wonder who did them. Or they said there were munitions there

that must have been Palestinian or Hamas munitions that must have caught fire. Have you guys seen that post being shared that just lists all the headlines of the mistakes Israel's made? Like, Israel says this was a mistake. Oh, didn't mean to do this or... The passive voice has been strained to its limits during the genocide in Gaza, where it's just like, wow, missile finds its way amongst the ruins of refugee camps. It's, yeah, it's quite disgusting, I think,

to unquestioningly just accept the first random explanation that pops into Netanyahu's mind, like, ah, it was a mistake. unquestioningly just accept the first random explanation that pops into Netanyahu's mind, like, oh, it was a mistake. And then it was, cause like you said, Jonathan, there was another explanation was that, oh, this couldn't have caused a fire. It must have been that they were storing weapons there and it exploded.

Does that sound familiar to you? Cause that is one of the excuses they used for like hospital bombings. Like when a hospital is like, oh, it must not have been our strike. It must have been they were storing weapons there. And so our innocent little baby missile set off all of their big scary weapons. So it's just it's so it's a type of exhaustion that's infuriating and incredibly sad at the same time.

And it makes me feel like I'm losing my mind when like headline after headline is just like kind of credulously going like, you know, he's saying it's a tragic error. Yeah, especially after after eight months of it, after. Yeah, like after the. Well, the pattern is clear. A lot of tragic errors Yeah, you think back to the beginning of this It's like well they would never deliberately target a hospital the fuck they wouldn't look and now people we can just look back at the last eight months and and

See and then people the needle moves there's so much other stuff going on that they're not, or desensitized to. The most precise and moral army in the world. Yeah, they have all these, yeah. All these contradictory claims of like, we used advanced AI in order to pick targets, and it's like, oopsie poopsie, we just killed a bunch of innocent refugees.

That was a mistake. Because the AI waits for the people to go into their homes. And I brought this up to Cody, and I've mentioned this show some of the frustrating conversations I've had with people that I used to respect, not even from the mountains, from like, you know, LA. And the line of like, people saying like, oh, we're heartbroken that everyone is falling for Hamas's propaganda, that this is all their propaganda. I'm like, oh we're heartbroken that everyone is falling for Hamas's propaganda, that this is all their propaganda, and I'm like, the fuck?

Do you think that Hamas has a stronger propaganda arm than Israel? That's wild. Yeah man, I think it's actually the dead babies we see. I think it might actually be that we see photos, like, I mean, you know, I've felt strongly about this issue for, I don't know, decades. So I came into this with my own, I guess you could call bias, which was that I think that the way that Palestinians have been treated over the past decades have been horrendous. But I think also that there is an effect that happens to people who may have not been paying as much attention or, of course, like people are fed a certain line from the U.S. about like how Israel is always just defending itself.

And, you know, I mean, like, it's just how propaganda works. Right. It's not just Israeli propaganda being effective. It's American propaganda being effective. It's a joint effort. And so I don't really blame, well, I don't necessarily blame people for falling for that, right? That propaganda is very effective. But I think that what happens is when people are scrolling through Twitter, which is so busted now that there's just images of dead people on it with no censorship, with no blurring or censoring or anything.

And you just see a dead child in very graphic detail. That's like, Israel is manufacturing propaganda against themselves just by committing atrocities, which I guess isn't propaganda at that point, that's just called the truth. This is actions that they're doing. Yeah, so it's like, so I don't, it's like, oh, well, you're falling for this propaganda. It's like, no, I just wanna stop seeing dead kids. I wanna, and not even just, like not just children, right?

I think we use children a lot because there's such a, it's so incomprehensible. But like adults dying is bad too, right? Also that just people dying in general is really, really bad. And it's like, it is so baffling to me because it's always goes back to like, well, what about Hamas? What about October 7th? It's like it's actually incredibly easy to be morally consistent where you are against the slaughter of civilians. So you can be like, yeah, no, I don't think that militants who targeted civilians on October 7th were morally correct.

That doesn't mean I want to slaughter more innocent civilians, right? Like and then do that like a hundred times what happened. You know what I mean? Like it's with no end in sight to write with the clear. The goal clearly very evident and no end in sight. And like it keeps pushing, keeps pushing. And the number keeps growing and growing. And at a certain point, the number it's like there is no there's no limit. There's no lie. There's no right. It's like there's no like, well number, it's like, there's no limit, there's no line, there's no.

Right, it's like, there's no line, like, well, it's by like, well, this isn't a red line, it's like, well, then the line is just a laser pointer, you're just like waving in front of you, like, I don't know, like, the line's over there now. It doesn't exist. If there's no red line in terms of like, bombing a refugee camp, setting it ablaze,

and killing, what was it, over 50 people and saying whoops and saying whoops when you've had so many whoops is that now you have like thousands of people like I think the latest count is like it's over 30,000. It's over 30,000. Yeah. Of civilians dead and with and to like really hammer this point home or highlight this. It was this specific bombing.

Not all of them. This one was very specifically using our bombs. Right. Yes. The United States may bombs. The thing that is like the easiest thing to understand why people have a problem with it. Obviously, there are other reasons to have a problem with this, like moral catastrophe going on, this horrific thing. But the very clear problem that people can express is that we don't want our own weapons to be used to do this. And he said that this wouldn't happen or that's the red line.

And it isn't. I just wanted to circle back on a point Katie made earlier. And it's like, yeah, we always use babies. But just to underscore, it shouldn't be that way. Like, it shouldn't be that people are all whatever it takes, you know, if this is what it takes for you to be convinced that this is wrong. But to me, whenever I see like, yeah, it's unbelievably horrifying, the images that we're seeing of the babies and what the impact this has on children and the future generations of Palestine.

But just as horrific is the fact that all of these people are being murdered senselessly, brutalized, terrorized, lied to. I treated like animals and humiliated them and human like over and over and over again, you know, people being shot trying to get to aid. So that really resonated with me when you said it, cause it's something that I've been thinking about a lot.

Like, yes, the babies, but it's not just that. Well, like, right. It's like, it sort of devolves into like, if you mentioned that, like, well, what about these? It's like, are we at the place where we're arguing over who has the dead or babies? Right. Yeah. Who's the like the dead or kid competition? It's just like so grotesque that we're. Yeah, that's a death.

It's a death spiral to be like, well, what about, you know, like we're I mean, like when I if ever you try to say like, hey, maybe we should stop the slaughter of innocent Palestinians or, you know, I don't care, like just civilians like in Palestine. And I don't care what their political beliefs are, because I don't think you should kill someone over their political beliefs or whatever, because people often say like, oh, well, what if they voted for Hamas? Well, you don't kill them. You don't kill someone for voting for a group that you dislike or disagree with or has even for a group that has done horrible things. You just you there is a line. You don't. Well,

there is a line, right? In terms of like there's there's an idea of, hey, when there is a war, right, this isn't a war, right, this is an onslaught, a genocide against Palestine, to call it a war. I know, whatever it is. It implies a sort of equality in terms of the use of force and a capability that does not exist. But, you know, the idea that like, there is like the creep,

the creep of, actually maybe in this case, it's okay to kill a bunch of civilians, that is very, very dangerous. And honestly, I think that it is okay to be consistent about this, right? For October 7th, I actually disagree with people who say, this is just a very valid form of fighting back. I think that if they had only targeted military,

like if they had limited themselves to military targets, I would have agreed. But the fact that they like did take civilians as hostage, I don't, I don't think that is justified. I don't think that means that. And I, I say that, and I also understand the history of Palestine and why that might happen and basically when you abuse and terrorize a group of people, the Palestinians for so long why that would happen. That doesn't mean I think it's like, you know, more like correct. Yeah, there's it's that difference that we've talked about of like understanding something

without justifying it. Exactly. It's not the same thing. But it's like when when someone is treated as subhuman for so long, like it is what you expect. Exactly. But not that you support it. But no, but no, but of course, but it's also you understand what happens in that situation when you push a people to their limit like that. But then that does not justify taking that, you know, taking whatever atrocity occurred there and multiplying it by an incredible amount towards Palestinians. Especially given that they've already, like this is not something that started in October, their sort of their mistreatment, their subjugation has been

occurring for decades. But yeah, it is, I just like this idea of somehow, there's always some excuse for killing civilians and making it okay. And like the idea of like, yeah, but you know, we're going after Hamas. So it's okay that we bombed But you know, we're going after Hamas, so it's OK that we bombed right at a at a refugee camp. It's at what point is it not OK? Like, like if that's the if that's right, right, then like you can justify anything. Right. Like, well, we have to kill these civilians because they may at some point become the bad guys or, yeah, we have to kill these children because they're fun size terrorists. You guys know that reference, right? I mean, you definitely insured that's going to happen now. guys or yeah, we have to kill these children because they're fun sized terrorists. You

guys know that reference, right? I mean, you definitely ensure that's going to happen now. Well, no, exactly. It perpetuates the violence. And then it's also just like, you know, I also just think that even if somehow it was effective, right, Like in terms of achieving your war goals, which are sick and twisted, like you still can't just do a genocide to achieve your so-called war goals. Cause that's not how morality works, right? You can't just be like, well,

if a genocide works to make us on top of things, then it works. That's repulsive. Yeah, well, apparently you can do that. Well, we let them. Yeah. And and yeah, and it's I think also, Cody, you said something earlier about this idea of like it's our bombs. And this is like U.S. bombs. And that's so upsetting.

And that's one of the things is like when people whenever someone's expressing any sympathy towards Palestine, it's like, well, why don't you condemn Hamas? It's like, dude, I'm not funding Hamas. My tax dollars aren't going towards Hamas. U.S. politicians aren't signing Hamas missiles, saying like, go get them or whatever. She fucking signed on that. Our politicians after October 7th then go like, well, this is not our red line for Hamas. They didn't do that. So, right. Like, why would I? What do you mean condemn Hamas? It's my tax dollars just killed a bunch of people in Rafa. And so I have to condemn that. And, you know, it's like, I feel like this, I think it's completely unfair. But I'm sure like other Jewish people who are opposed to

genocide in general or genocide against Palestinians feel it's like, okay, so I have to be like, yeah, I'm Jewish and I'm against this. Like stop being so weird about like saying, oh, this is like to protect you, a Jew. It's like fucking shut the fuck. I am so fucking sick of it. I can't like respond to it without, I don't know, just being enraged at this point. It's it's so ugly. It's so disgusting to use

Jewish people as like a shield in terms of like, well, we don't have a line here because we want to be good allies and we don't want to be in don't protest because then you're anti Semitic. It's like, just shut the fuck up. Shut up. So many people need to shut the fuck up. Holy shit. like what's actually going on. Yes. And stops anybody from really talking about like we're like after this what I think. Yeah, I said 45 or 50 people in this camp. And I've just seen people argue like, well, actually, his red line was about going into Rafa like a ground invasion

where there's I know. But like and like arguing like, well, you know, they they delayed the invasion to get these people out like I think like 900,000 people and then bomb the people. Exactly. But it's just like, why can't you talk about how the thing that happened is bad? Right. Why can't you say like, I'm just waiting for like, I don't want to get this into like election stuff, but it like really bothers me when there's like disgust for, for example, our U.S.

made bombs horrifically killing these 45 people. When that happens, the conversation immediately turns to like, but you're going to vote for the Joe Biden, right? Or like if you don't like if you're upset about this, you need to not talk about this. You can't talk about this because it's hurting whoever in the election. And I just like I want to be able to talk about this bad thing. Right. In a serious way. It sounds kind of like they're using democracy as a human shield.

And that is a good, we have to go to an ad break and then we'll be right back. Oh God, okay. And we're back already see continue Cody. Oh God, okay. Just this, yeah, inability to talk about it. Like I would say like adults who understand that there's like five months for the election, the president is doing this and he's fine with it. That's the thing. He's fine with it.

Otherwise, he would say something else than what he's been saying and do something else that he's been doing. But when you want to talk about it like adults, you're told that you're childish because you're not thinking about like the election or whatever, like all these other things like, no, but what just happened? Why can't we condemn this thing that happened? And talk about the reality of the situation. It's like you got two guys and they're they're in your living room and one of them is

shitting on your rug and one of them is shitting on your rug and one of them is pissing on your rug. And you're like, oh my God, stop it. And you're talking to the guy like, stop pissing on my rug. It's like, well, if you don't vote for me, like you got rug shitter over there. And it's like, yeah, but you could stop pissing

on the rug, right? Like you could stop doing that. And he's like, yeah, but you could stop pissing on the rug, right? Like you could stop doing that. And he's like, yeah, but you telling me to stop pissing on the rug makes it more likely that rug shitter over there is going to come and shit on your rug. I don't know if that's a great metaphor. It's fine, because it's more likely that the best way to stop the rug shitter is for the rug pisser to stop pissing.

Right. But instead he's like saying, stop talking about my pissing. We've got a rug shitter on the loose. And right. And then, and then just like every day there's like this, these press conferences were like, you know, um, there are tanks in Rafa now. And the fucking spokesperson's like, I don like, we haven't seen anything like that. We did, we saw it. There's videos. We saw it, we see it.

There's a video of a tank rolling over, like, I heart Gaza and welcome to Gaza for no reason, other than like for whoever's in the tank to shoot an Instagram video. It's sick, taunting stuff. It's so disgustingly petty and childish. I think the misconception. About the left when it comes to Joe Biden is a lot of people think

like we're enjoying this, like that we wouldn't love for this to not be going on. So it's yeah, right. Or that like I because I there's a lot of suggestion that the left wants Trump to win, which is a weird thing to think. It's all they have. It's all it's it's they just can't. They can't contend with people. It seems to me they can't contend with people having like actual like moral like lines and like issues with these these kinds of things. Right.

But it's like I'm not happy about this at all. I'd love when I'm pitching stories for the show every week. I'd love for there to not be a bunch of charred infant corpses that the president is responsible for all over the place. I would love that to not be the case. So we can just talk about how evil Trump is and all of the horrible things he's going to do if and when he gets back into office. It's like a frightening thing. It's not enjoyable at all to be talking about Joe Biden

every week. But the fact of the matter is, is that Joe Biden laid out a red line earlier this month, said, we're not going to be sending bombs if they do this. And then they do that exact thing. And then you have John Kirby and the State Department spokesperson trying to explain how it's not that. And Joe Biden has no tweet, no statement about this horrendous atrocity that we're all seeing play out in front of us. It's really it's like just like political malpractice and like humanitarian malpractice. Right. And he's just like waving Trump at us like a loaded weapon. Like you can't criticize anything I do because you know that Trump is worse.

And it's like, yeah, man, we're all terrified of Trump. Like I do look like I am scared of him. Right. I'm scared of Trump. I think Trump has the capacity to I think that Trump has the capacity to be more dangerous, I suppose, but you're sending bombs to go do a genocide so we can't say anything about that. Like that seems like if you lose, that's your fucking fault.

Do think that he's more dangerous objectively. He's also a bit of fucking Trump. But he's more dangerous objectively. He was a little bit of fucking Trump. He's but he's also a clown. And at least, you know, when Trump's the one in power, this isn't me saying go vote for fucking Trump, but people are horrified when it's Donald Trump doing something. Yeah, if this was happening under Trump. It would be such a different situation, these conversations amongst us,

once the people would be different. I think that when people, if people saw, yeah, at least it would make the thing clearer. I mean, to be fair, I think that like the propaganda vis a vis Israel is really powerful in the U.S. So even if it's like I think that at some point like Trump was like, yeah, we should like Israel should annex the Golan Heights or something. So like and there was not really a peep about that amongst like, you know,

Israel supporting liberals. So I don't know. But I think that there would definitely be a different conversation if this were happening under Trump. There would be fewer people with the big D by their name, forgiving all of this and letting all of this go and not talking about it at all or telling people not to talk about it or saying like, well, actually, you know, he's trying to he's trying behind closed doors to do this. He's doing this. He's doing this. Or like, well, you have to, you know, send bombs or whatever it is. It would just be so easy. Their words a bit where it's like, well, I condemn this. Like in general, I think Israel

has the right to defend themselves. But this goes a little bit. It would be a little bit more, but they would still, you know, they're mincing their words now, they're using words later. It's just like one of those things where I, it would be so easy for any one who's just like not willing to contend with what's going on to just say, like, the president should maybe consider changing policy regarding the ethnic cleansing in Gaza, because he appears to be losing support during this very important election year. That's like, just a true thing that you can say without it being like anything other than just like, hey, the president should maybe

not in swing states like Michigan. And it's like, I mean, you know, I think that there's there's something to be said about, you know, one should stand on their principles and not just always go like, what's most strategic thing in elections and stuff. But it's like, well, the principle thing here, right, is to be against the genocide. And you're also potentially losing a swing state. So what is the calculation here? I mean, I think there's, I think there is like a, there may be some like thing of like, well, you know, if you oppose Israel, then like you'll lose

more financial support than if you, if you, you know, were to like put limits on it or something, but like seriously to have no, like no red lines, it seems like to have nothing. It doesn't seem it's the truth. If there was going to be a red line, we would have crossed it. Like there's no turning back. I don't think that we're going to see any sort of meaningful change in policy. It's just going to be continual. Like, whoops. Yeah. Jonathan, you included this in terms of, is there enough,

like, like what are the chances that there's enough pressure can be put on him to drop out of the race? But I don't think that that's a realistic thing. We don't have anybody. Well, not even, not even just that we don't have. But I don't think that that's a realistic thing. We don't have anybody. Well, not even just that we don't have anything. I don't think, why would he? What's his motivation to do that? This is like- But he's going to lose. I don't think he thinks that, right?

Like, I think that there's, you know, he has like, someone who wants to be president, there's something wrong with them already, right? And he's been he's a career politician. His whole goal his entire life has been to get to this position. There is no way he drops out. I don't I don't I mean like, you know, why why would he like who could possibly convince him to do that? But I do think there are other people who would be miles better. That would be fine. I think I think there are people.

Absolutely. I think there's like this idea that like, well, who has the name recognition, who has the polling or whatever? But like, that's not that's a non argument, at least in my opinion, because all you need for name recognition is for the president and the vice president and the Democratic Party to say, look at this person we're supporting. And then that person talks on camera. If we if they're five months away, the American people can learn another name. Yeah, but I do think that it might take time for somebody to get comfortable with a new person.

That's all like, you know, like if you have if you have Trump and like nameless. Dem disagree. But I'm saying maybe maybe it's hard to break through the surface at this point. I think in October or like, you know, September or something. But is Taylor Swift old enough to run for president? I think so. Not yet. Not until she turns 35. She turns 35 in December.

Damn it. Oh, next time, girl. Next time. I know. Well, it's the top of my head. Quick with the birth month. Can you imagine how fun the State of the Union would be with Taylor Swift singing it?

I think about that with backup dancers. I'm not going to think about that. December 13, 1989. Oh, right. December 13th, 1989. All right. OK, John, my wife is going to love this. Hi, John. We said that for you. Yeah, I don't know. I know your name. I just wasn't going to say it on the show. OK. And we don't need to keep, you know, we keep rehashing like all the election

stuff, because again, I also still have the pin of like it's it's May. We're like we're getting to the month. We're finally getting to the month where I'm like, OK, election talk can happen now. June. That's that's reasonable. But like for the past eight months talking about it, just like shut the fuck up. And I, you know, we don't need to. Yeah, I just want to be too much into that conversation. I'm just I'm just super looking forward to being cudgeled.

Like you should definitely you should vote for us no matter what we do. And then if they lose them being like, it's all your fault, we lost. But also we don't need you to vote because you're not going to vote anyway. But also we're going to blame you. But also you're like, you don't even believe it always goes though Yeah, yeah, it's nice to be prematurely blamed. It's nice to know you're gonna be blamed for The the worst guy in the universe being the president, you know, it's like that that has anything to do with Yeah

discourse on The left on social media. Yeah. It's just like maybe. Yeah, I don't know. Like Trump takes it too far. I just like that's other people's red line. I just can't like it's just so disgusting to stuff like things that were like.

He's such a bad person, like in so many ways, like, you know, and we'd be having a different conversation if this wasn't going on. There are good things that he's done and their policies and things and so on, so forth. But like denying the invasion, like there's a ground invasion, there are tanks in Rafa when they're literal photos we can see is wild, but not like this quote unquote tragic mistake where 45 people were killed at this camp of refugees not like this quote unquote tragic mistake where 45 people were killed at this camp of refugees

with US made bombs. Right. And he hasn't spoken about it yet at all, right? Like it's not. It's not. Let's let them conduct their investigation. Let's let them look into the thing they did. Good, yeah, go for it.

And like, it's like, it's so disgusting. We're like, even if like, there's a, like a scenario, like, okay, well, it wasn't with our bombs, it was with Israel's bombs. And so like, okay, maybe the president's like, well, we don't want to get involved even though we're all very much involved. But like, it's literally ours that did this.

How can you not address that? You're the president. You're the commander in chief. What, what fucking are you doing? It's just so gross. It just, can you like imagine going, knocking on doors being like, hey, other than using our, like allowing our bombs

to be used to kill people in a refugee camp. This Biden guy, you should vote for him. Inflation Reduction Act. I won't be doing it. Pretty good. I mean, there's some good stuff in there. Like, I can't like... Most pro-union president in decades.

Yeah, hey, you know what? It's all true, but guess what else is going on? I can't, it's like, you know, I can do some kind of clothespin things of like, well, you know, every president's kind of a war criminal. But it's like when you're aiding and abetting an ongoing genocide, I don't think I'm going to be knocking doors for you. You're not even trying to stop it, you know, like there's not any concerted effort to mitigate.

A lot of finger wagging, a lot of distress behind closed doors. Yeah, I've seen lots of headlines where it's like Biden official is really mad this time, you guys. Exactly. Yes. I'm sure. And there was the delay. I want to there was the delay of the invasion, right? Like that was part of an alleged quiet deal where there was a delay that was that allowed many people to leave. But what else? I also don't know.

I have I'm a little cynical about it. Like you also just got a bunch of people to this area. So I understand. I also don't know. I have I'm a little cynical about it. Like you also just got a bunch of people to this area. So I understand. I understand. That's kind of occurred to me as we're as I'm listening to you guys talk is, you know, one of the things with Donald Trump, we were so horrified about our international image about how people would see the United States. He's tarnishing our reputation. Let's, you know, we're not, you know, our diplomacy.

No, that's toast. You look around the world and after this, like I don't see how we are a trustworthy, reliable beacon of democracy if we are, and not just because we are behind this. And yeah, from personal experience, talking to Italians here. Yeah, you're right. You're right, Katie. It's like I don't know.

And I'm not it's not that I want Donald Trump to be president, but and I know that there are ways that things can get worse specifically with judges and all of that. And I think that those are really valid points. But I honestly, at this point, like the arguments feel meaningless when the morality is so stark right here. And a lot of people like, you know, once it gets closer and closer and like, it's September, it's October, it's November 1st or whatever. A lot of people are going to fucking swallow it and just vote for Biden.

Um, a lot of people, although many people are not, but it's a waste of time to Hector these people who are saying this right now when you could be at least expressing that what is going on now is, uh, unacceptable. What is acceptable? Sending billionaires to the bottom of the ocean. Titanic. Oh, yeah. Part three. Oh, this I am so happy that we can end on a high note.

Yeah. Jonathan, tell us. Part two when the ocean gate submersible. I know. And by by my logic it is. But yeah, this is the third. This is third time's the charm. Yeah, I'm so excited. Seventy four year old real estate billionaire. Larry Connor plans to take a new submersible down to the Titanic

in the summer of twenty twenty six. He's it's a little murky. He's investing and partnering with his company, Triton Submarines. And he and the CEO of that company are going down there. But they also say it's a research mission. Unclear exactly what they're researching. I love that. So it's going to cost a lot of money. He wants to prove that.

I mean, they're researching billionaires going to the bottom of the ocean. Yeah, I I like this. Well, first of all, we don't appreciate enough that. Ocean Gate is such a funny name for something that turned into a big to do to a big motion. Yeah. Violently imploded. Yes. Yeah. But change the name anyway. I like this new billionaire.

I think it's funny if you go and read his stated reasoning, obviously, like apparently some vague idea of research. He told the Wall Street Journal, I want to show people worldwide that while the ocean is extremely powerful, it can be wonderful and enjoyable and really kind of life changing if you go about it the right way. And I love that reasoning. Certainly can be life changing. Connor, if you're listening, Larry Connor, nobody saw what happened with Ocean Gate

and was like, well, now we all must fear the ocean. Now I think that the ocean can't be enjoyable or wonderful. And there's nothing life changing possible about the ocean. No, it was a tragedy that didn't need to happen because of all the reasons we talked about, like the idea of like, I'm going to boldly prove to the world that the ocean is neat. Nobody thought it was a guy. Also, I want to say you're wrong to the point of like, yeah, everything you're right about

in the way that people use the ocean and enjoy ocean activities. Yeah, no one's saying, oh, did you hear what happened to the Titan Triton or whatever the fuck it was called? The Titan was the Titan. Titanic two. Titanic deuce. But you should have a healthy fear of the unknown ocean at that level because it'll kill you.

There's a reason they died. They all died because it's dangerous. Almost instantly. Almost instantly. A gruesome death. Almost instantly. It was more so fully instant, I think. Mostly, but still gruesome. The idea I really and I feel really bad for that one kid that went along with his dad.

The other the guy the guy, the CEO. No comment. But can I teach you guys, like, tell you guys a little marine biology fact that is relevant? So hermit crabs, which are cute. There's this thing called a, it's like a, I think it's called like a cycle of death or a death trap where it's, a hermit crab will go into a container, usually a glass, like a bottle or something,

because like hermit crabs do this thing where they like, they outgrow their shell, they gotta find a new house. It's very cute. And then they, there's like, I just found a jug, a glass jug and maybe this is my new home and they go in it and they're like, whoa, the dimensions of this is not what I was expecting.

But then they can't get out again because of the shape of the thing. And then they die. Okay, so this is the beginning of the death spiral because hermit crabs have this thing where when they smell death, they're like free house. So another hermit crab goes like, I smelled a dead hermit crab, that means free house for me.

So it goes into the jug. It's like, wait a minute, I'm trapped too. Oh no, little guy. It dies and then you get a bunch of hermit crabs going into a glass jug and dying in succession as more and more of them are attracted to the smell of more dead hermit crabs and they're all going like, great, free house! And then they all die. It's what these billionaires are doing. It sure is. And it's and it's like one billionaire or a few like get crushed at great depths Somehow that creates a smell that attracts other billionaires or they're like hey free

Submarine house I'm gonna go down there. That's funny except. It's not like here's my opportunity to do it opportunity my My money and my big, powerful billionaire brain. Right. Maybe this is not. I see that this glass jug is filled with dead hermit crabs. Maybe it will fit me. Yeah. Perfect furniture to sit on the bodies. But if we're ending on a high note, we're trying to be nice to Joe Biden.

The IRS is making direct file open to all 50 states, all states, the free great news, the free tax. Great. Cool. Sure. That's good. I'm happy about it. Will those taxes that we can directly file go to bombs? Yeah, that's my question. You can file your taxes for free, though, that go to to bombs. So that's my question. You can file your taxes for free, though, that go to the bombs.

So that's more money, more money to go to the bomb potentially that you can spend in the economy, which is great. Which is good. Which is good. No problem. Bombs. No problems there. I didn't mean to say the economy might not be working for everyone. It might not be working for everybody. But actually, but actually, so if you look at it, all right.

We have Katie Golden here and she wrote about the pronatalist couple, and I thought it would be interesting. Oh, yeah. Or talk about it. But wait, when did I write it? Did I? When did I write about birthright stuff? The wrenches, right? The freaks. Oh But wait, when did I write it? Did I? When did I write about birthright stuff? They're mentioned, right? The freaks. Oh, yeah, I did. Huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Back in the day. I was like, we don't have to.

I figured it's these guys. Yeah. Oh, no, it's good. Oh, it's fun. They're like a quiver full family, except they're like, we're logical and an atheist or something, but we're also conservatives. Yeah. And they both play dress like the nerd emoji. And they slap their children in public. They do. Yeah, it's pretty stupid. Yeah. Listen, I will remember.

Stupid listeners might remember Malcolm and Simone Collins, their pronatalist couple, their weird little freaks who are obsessed with declining birth rates, which as we also could note this week, there's more data about this. And it seems as though a large part of the decline in birth rates is due to lower teen birthrate, teen pregnancy rate.

Gotta get those teens pregnant. I shouldn't have said that. I should not have said that on an audio play. You did, it's not cuttable. But that makes sense as teen pregnancy is something that we noticed as a problem and tried to reduce that. And now that it has, everybody's freaking out

about the low birth rates. Yeah. That was interesting. But these pronatalist freaks do slap their kids in public. And I just thought it was interesting that they are very, they pretend to be, they claim themselves to be very data-driven people. We're the smart ones.

We're worried about birth rates and we look at the data and we live our lives based on data and science. But also they hit their kids in public. Because because tigers do it in this tiger's zoo. And I keep adding in public, but that's not in private is bad, too. To be clear, it's just the thing is like when you do something in public, it's also like, well, what are they doing in private? Because they feel so entitled to slap their kid in public.

So it's like, okay. It's a comfortable thing they're doing in public. It is a habit. Yeah, and the thing about like, yeah, there was something in this article where the guy was like saying like, we came to the decision to do this slapping because we read this thing about how like tigers

will like slap their cubs when they're misbehaving. So first of all, you've admitted that this is like cold calculated slapping and not just, not to, you know, say that like this is justified, but like apparently losing their temper or something. Not still not cool, but the cold calculated slapping is like super creepy. And also. Tigers are not children.

I don't know, like compared to monkeys or something like, I don't know. That's not what they're doing. And this is like, it's not it's very obvious what they're doing. You can you can pick any animal that exists and pinpoint a behavior to justify your own behavior. This isn't data driven. This is taking one example and being like, well, they tigers do it. Yeah. Lots of animals eat their offspring if they're too weak.

So what are you proposing one time? All right. The the the real argument is, you know, there are lots of people. This is not me agreeing with them by to be clear. Lots of people that think that you have to like be firm and discipline your children like that. And if they want them to act right, but that's not something that you could just print. So they're just holding on to at this point and you like, they're just grabbing whatever scientific. I think the worst part to me,

I mean the abuse shore is just, you know, their whole goal is to be like forcing their all of their many children to commit to having what was it? Eleven kids each. And then within a certain amount of time, they will have like a lock on the gene pool or just these. This is a family of hundreds just slapping each other. That is so unwell.

Like that just suggests to me. Yeah, you're not viewing your children. Yeah, you're not viewing your children as individuals who will grow into develop their own wants, their own ambitions, procreation army. Right. You're like, I'm making myself immortal through my children by breeding an army. And like, the woman didn't even want to have kids. And now she does because I don't know.

Because of man science or whatever her husband told her. I don't know. Yeah. I. Yeah, there's also it's just I just don't harp on this. But the data driven thing is so frustrating to see because like your data point is a tiger. That's one animal. I don't know if you know this, but there are hundreds of thousands. And when they were.

But also, if you are data driven, you know that there's study after study after study after study that says that it's actually bad to do this. It's not good for your kid to do to physically harm them in this way. It's not good to hit your kids. Not going to your kids. That's just we just know that. But also when their response to this piece that came out was to say that they were upset by all of the racist comments

and all the racism and backlash because actually African Americans hit their kids more than others. Oh my God. That was their claim. And they- Oh my God. I know, which is like, what's your point? And they sent this article from 2011 from CNN as proof of like, see, like it's racism to say

this is bad because black people do this. And in that article, I'm not even unpacking that part, which you can. In that article, there's a passage this like and study after study shows that hitting your kids is bad. So your point is that it's racist to say that it's bad to do this. But the article you're sharing, it's like, well, black girl do it is to point out that like there's information in that that points out that there's countless data

showing that it's bad. So they're just liars and they are racist and it's fucking weird. Throwing black people under the bus. Just like, yeah, keep digging that hole deeper. And we know you can't because you probably use your kids as child labor. Yeah. No, but I mean, also, like their whole point about like they made a point also originally, which is that like, oh, you know, when people because like a main point of this whole thing

of like we're population is dropping is like, OK, immigration, don't worry about it. There's going to be plenty of people. They're like, well, that's actually racist because you're saying that immigrants have to come and work for us. It's like what? And so they're no, it just. They're all a thing. They're a tangled mess.

When confronted with this. Yeah. Yep. It's dumb. It's dumb. But you know, it's not them. You having having you on the show today. Thank you for joining us. From Italy. That was like a spooky. That one. That's a ghost thing that could go in your podcast, Katie,

is which animals beat their young. Oh, that's a great topic. Which animals should we emulate because they beat their young? Right, yeah. I think that's actually a great suggestion. And we'll select those and ignore the others. Which animals don't beat their young

and we get them out of here. We gotta be like the lobster, the noble lobster. The noble lobster. Speaking of your podcast, tell our listeners about your podcast. Yeah, so I host a podcast called Creature Feature about animals. I don't actually talk about child abuse on the show.

Well, some animals do eat their children. So that is something I talk about, I guess. Don't tell the Collins. Don't tell the Collins. But if you're interested in animals, I talk about them. It's fun discussion, good times. Also, I'm on a podcast called Secretly Incredibly Fascinating

that I co-host with Alex Schmidty the Clam. And we love our Schmidty the Clam. We love our Schmidty, our canned Schmidty. That didn't make any sense, but at the podcast, we talk about things and it sounds boring, but get this. It's not, it's very cool. It's not, it's very cool. I come on and my job is to sit there and talk to Alex and he does all the work and it's great.

That sounds great. I highly recommend. Highly recommend. Okay. Thank you, Katie. Thank you for joining us. Thank you so much for having me. Thanks for all the hard work you do for our show and for to our channel. What?

Thank you. Yeah, you do. You're a real rock star. I gave birth to Wormbow. That's right. From my womb. She did give birth to Wormbow. That's why his name is Worm, because he came from a womb. It was warm, warm, warm. That's disgusting. Let's move on. But you guys sat through it and you're champions for listening to that image.

But and no, but and I want you to know. Don't we love me too much. Me too, me too much. Okay, he's just picking you back up off of what I said. I said it first. I'm agreeing with you completely.