Some More News - Even More News: Mamdani Plays Trump Like A Fiddle

Episode Date: February 27, 2026

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Hi, hello. On today's episode, we talk about the reactions to Trump's State of the Union, the president's unfortunate adlibs, Zoran Mamdani, Benny Johnson, and Anthropics Showdown with the Pentagon. All this and more on today's Even More News. Welcome back to Even More News, the first, the only news podcast. I'm Katie Stoll. Badoop, Badoop, Badoop. Badoop. Hello, hi.

The things you said, I'm a different name, and that name is Cody. That's right it is. Jonathan is also here. Hi. Hi. Beep, boop, boop, beep. This Apple watch just keeps binging and I don't know how to turn off the volume, but you know what? Apple Watch is Bing?

Oh, yeah. It goes to a different search engine. Well, Apple doesn't have one. Oh, they don't have a search engine? You can't search on Apple Watch or an iPhone? On Bing. You only go to Bing? On iPhone?

This one's in a different direction. iPhones only Bing? No, this Apple Watch keeps dinging every time there's a news alert. Okay. I thought you meant popular search engine Bing. What's going on? Everybody? What are the days?

We're all having a day. A lot of podcast in this week. It's true. Thank you to everybody that watched our live stream as we tried to watch the State of the Union. You know what? Sort of. We didn't really try to watch it. We tried not to.

A little bit of it. It was whatever. But thank you so much for joining us. And everybody that followed us back over to Patreon and watched Cody finally played music live. I played some music live. Thank you. Thank you. I missed it.

Should I go back and watch it? I went completely to bed. I play like four songs. I'll play more this weekend. Check us out on Patreon. I'm going to take my weekend for myself. Thank you. I think today we should follow up with the State of the Union that we barely watched.

Because I think it's a good jumping off point for several other stories. I agree. I'm phrasing it like I'm suggesting it for the first time, but we discussed this before we started recording. Jonathan. For every story, by the way, this is not just impromptu. We discussed what we were going to talk about beforehand with this subject as well, but not this one, but this one. Yeah, the State of the Union. You know, it was largely as we anticipated it being he went off script a couple times, which we'll talk about in here. One of the big things that on the right they've been trying to do is praise how Trump really got Democrats for not standing up in certain situations. What a fucking joke. At one point, he tried to get them in a little, like, logical game. You know, he said, if you agree with this statement, then stand up and show your support. The first duty of the American government is to protect American citizens, not illegal aliens.

And, you know, Trump said it. So most Democrats didn't get up. context of that. People are playing like, in a vacuum, this happened. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's 2026. We understand what's going on. They know.

That's why they did it. Yeah, they didn't stand up. And Trump then said they should be ashamed of themselves in the speech. And Stephen Miller posted, never has there been a more stunning moment in Congress, which of course they're on. Highly disagree. We all know better, right? They know better.

We all know we see this every fucking year. If Biden's in office, then. Republicans are going to cause a stink. Some people aren't going to show up. They're going to be like, how dare you? They're going to plan their little stunt, their little political theater moments and get the headline and try to distract it. But we've been doing this back and forth, back and forth, blah, blah, blah for so long. Spare me on with the fake indignant.

Next year. Miss me with that shit. Next year. Trump's state of the union will be unifying. And he will use this opportunity to reach across the aisle and, you know, help unite the country. But in the meantime, he's going to do tricks. He's going to do tricks at everybody to trick them is how you unite the country. It's just so silly.

I've seen obviously before every state of the union, you get these dopes like, this is a real opportunity for Trump to step up and be a president. Yeah, yeah. Okay, good job. paying attention but this is like I don't know nobody is going to care in three days we'll talk about

maybe one of the reasons this story is a story now but everyone posting about this is the worst thing I've ever seen in my life and oh my god this is going to follow them if you like in history books this will be the front page

god nobody cares dude oh my god they're either full of shit or have had a traumatic brain injury where they don't remember a few years ago. It's just like he's saying up. So if you disagree, yes. If you don't, then no. One of me is a lie.

One of me tells the truth. Right. It's just like, okay, congratulations. You got a moment, but no. Yeah, it's just funny how the media like still wants to get into that zone where they're like, oh, well, you know, he did what he was expected to do. He did what Republicans wanted him to do and vaguely what presidents do. I think Nicholas Christoph was like, as Trump's speeches go, I think this was more effective than most.

I flinched at the bigotry and myriad false statements, but Trump was less angry than he sometimes was. Bro, what a waste of time. Yeah, like, Nick, come on, man, you're above this, I feel like you should be above this. I flinched at the bigotry and myriad lies. What else is left? Yeah. Other than the gutter racism, I have to admit, he did. He did trick him.

His emphasis on affordability and patriotism may help him with some voters if they're still watching. First of all, he's not on ballots anymore. And secondly, he talked about affordability for like two minutes. Like, it's a Democrat hoax still. So let's pretend. When he's in office, it's a Democrat hoax when he's not. Yeah.

Statements like that, it's like, okay, so you're trying to participate. you're trying to keep this still in the realm of sanity or treating this like a normal president, a normal person. But really that phrase or whatever so that you can be a part of the conversation, like, I'm going to ignore all the blatant bigotry and the lies. And just, you know, other than that, he did pretty good. It's just the continued normalization of this disgusting man and the things that he says. And so we all just have to accept that bigotry and lies. are not a huge fucking deal

in the state of the union from the president in the United States. Look at the Dow, Katie. Look at the Dow. Yeah, look at the Dow. I'm looking at it, but it's honestly

is meaningless to me. Mortgage rates are under 6% for the first time since 2022. No thanks to Joe Biden. Like, right, it's going to be used to kind of prop up anything. Yeah, a lot of people bought

their houses when interest rates were one and a half percent and guess who was president, Joe Biden. Yeah, they're not selling now that it's 6%. They're not moving. They're not downsizing. They're going to stay in their five-bedroom house indefinitely. So there was one part, and I'm not going to play the whole segment, but Trump was talking

about Irina Zerutska, the woman from Ukraine, who was murdered on a train in Charlotte, North Carolina. Trump had her mother there. And this is a story that Republicans have been using to attack supposedly like soft on crime Democrats because her assailant had been arrested before. And released and so on, yeah. But Trump kind of maybe ad libs a little bit in here and see if you can pick out when that is. I don't know if I'll be able to. She had escaped a brutal war only to be slain by a hardened criminal set free to kill in America.

came in through open borders. I found it. Oh, should I stop? What happened? Yeah, no, I found it. I found it. I saw it. I wish they had been on Trump, but they...

I know. Yeah, American citizen didn't come in through open borders. Yeah. The most blatant, like, yeah, it's fear mongering. They do the fear mongering about this. This is all just a political tool to make you afraid and conflate literally anything, anything bad that happens in the world with illegal. immigration because that's the root of all our problems but it's literally not in this specific

case it's wild it makes you wonder if he know well he doesn't know what he's talking about or if he knows that he's if he knows that he's throwing it in and he doesn't care or if he assumes he might just assume he didn't realize what the the thing was supposed to be he's like oh i'm talking about a murder it has to be we're attacking immigrants now and so he ad libed came in through open borders But what's wild about it, if you want to step back, obviously her murderer, gruesome thing, an American citizen. In prison, he's arrested. Arena and Anya Zerutska are here from Ukraine, right? A lot of people in their position are getting targeted and deported by this administration.

A lot of people coming here to, as refugees, you know, trying to escape their countries and the horrors there are being met with the fresh set of horrors here. Arena, I mean, a horrible thing. She was murdered and now she's become a political prop even though if that hadn't happened to her, they might be a political prop in a different way.

I'm just pointing that out. Oh, yeah, I mean, they... Not the first one. They hate refugees. unless they're useful in this way. Yeah, I mean, this whole section is kind of weird because he has a few aside. He leaves his prepared speech three times that I could count in here.

One of them we just talked about came in through open borders. Another one is when he goes in 2020, his speech probably says in 2022, she and her beautiful daughter arena fled war-torn, war-torn Ukraine to live with relatives. and he goes in 2022, she and her beautiful daughter, so beautiful.

What a beautiful young woman. And then continues. Also, that's creepy. You don't really need to lean into how beautiful you think this murder person. That's exactly. Right. She's a, yeah, a white woman

that you found attractive. And then he says, a war-torn Ukraine to live with relatives near Charlotte, North Carolina. And then he says, and by the way, what's going on with Charlotte?

And it's unclear what he's referring to there, unless he's referring to all of the criminals they're letting out on the street, which I guess is the best guess here. But it was so obvious when in a speech like the State of the Union when he sticks to his prepared remarks, mostly, how obvious it is when he's not doing that. Yeah, everybody watching slash listening to this in Charlotte. Please let us know what's going on. What's going on in Charlotte? I was there recently. It was lovely. Do you know if you're, yeah, being in Charlie, if you know Matt Van Swal,

sound off in the comments. What's his deal? What's that guy's deal? He's from North Carolina, I know. He talks about it all the fucking time. He's one of those guys that I, a month ago, I'd never heard of, and now I see this guy everywhere.

Oh, we gotta talk about Van Swal again. Sorry, he's been radicalized again. So actually, you know what? Speaking of these kinds of guys, there are a couple stories about, that I think kind of, relate to this because as people I'm sure have seen, everyone's so upset about the Democrats falling for the trap

that was set by the Great Uniter. And everyone's posting about it like it's the most important thing in the world. And there are a couple other stories that they're posting about now too, as if the most important things of the world. And I feel like we need to regularly remind ourselves how fake so much of this shit is. Yeah. especially on X, obviously, the Everything app.

It's all happening on X. It's all happening on X. And by it, I mean, like, trash and all, it's all fake. Obviously, the bots are out there. Obviously, everyone's doing engagement. But there are a lot of accounts, like, for example, this Johnny MAGA account, which we don't need to spend a whole lot of time on because who needs more attention for this guy. But this big, like, obnoxious blue check.

right-wing account praising a bunch of disgusting shit and being racist and horrible and annoying to be clear uh works in the white house just a white house guy just a guy who works in the white house i mean yanni maga working in the white house doing this exact thing he's a guy named garret wade and he co runs the rapid response 47 x account oh another really obnoxious uh yeah his job are the memes and the just taking trump quotes and praising them he's a rapid response guy. Rapid response. And so would he say he's doing this on his free time or was he instructed to create a

bunch of fake MAGA accounts? Or did he get this job because he already had a slop MAGA account? Interesting question. When was his SLOP MAGA account started? I can find that out. September 2021. I would imagine he got the job because of that. But also he's married to the White House press assistant.

and Schuster. So got his fingers all up in that. This is so funny. His description is established 2016 American flag and then right under that. It says join September 2021. Hell yeah. And then under that for me it says

Johnny Maga has blocked you somehow. Oh, no. He was established in 2016. So he's 10? It just says established 2016. I don't know what that's supposed to mean. Also his like digital avatar, it's like all, you know, an 8-bit thing.

It's brown skin. It's not a white person. It's not the white person that he is, yes. I mean, it's got a blonde hair pixel in here. And I make America great again cap and supposedly positing himself as a darker skinned. That's what it seems. I mean, I guess also that's also a phenomenon that is not new of people just pretending to be other races online to make their little points. try to prove that you probably just thought it was real funny uh yeah probably that too um it's just

it just speaks i think to so much of the online support specifically for the horrible things is pretty astroturfed and um artificial and again obviously the bots and obviously Elon buying the site and um pushing crap and the algorithm is part of it but so many these accounts are just like yeah you're just literally in the white house doing this you're this isn't This is an organic support for this horrible stuff. But what's wild is the amount of influence it has on the culture and on the conversations happening. I mean, you could say the same thing, whatever, fucking Nick Shirley, putting out a video

that is absolutely meaningless, waste of time, but then everybody absorbs just maybe a little snippet of them. And then these people carry water for it and retweet it and share it. And all of a sudden, that has an outsized effect on the cultural conversations we're having when it's an absolute waste of everybody's time. You're seeing that a lot. I was listening to a financial podcast talking about all these different blog posts that hit. And then all of a sudden, people freak out and react. And I don't have anything to say about that because I'm not pro AI.

But I'm just, but I am acknowledging the reality of this landscape that we live in where something goes viral. and it just changes the narrative entirely. And we all panic or freak out or get enraged and give more attention to it. So it continues to be outsized. And it is. And it's usually lies. Like it's just every day and I'm, I'm not going to go through them. But like just bookmark after bookmark of like, well, that person's just lying.

Like not even like, oh, they're misinterpreting into this. No, it's just a straight up lie. There's no way they don't know that it's a lie. and thousands and thousands and thousands of people retweeting them and it's just that's the ecosystem that they have constructed for themselves and it's usually like oh you're followed by J.D. Vance or you're followed by Elon like it's just that group lying constantly and also as an aside they can just like do a bunch of

really disgusting racism and misogyny and like violent sexual thoughts constantly it's really really fucking weird. Bringing it back to the state of the union. What we just talked about is this normalization of that is just this guy's like, well, aside from all of the horrific bigotry and lies, he did an okay job. The fuck are you talking about? That's everything that's disqualifying. But that is the environment we live in where people know that there are lies.

Other than that, how is the play, Mrs. Lincoln? Like, what are you talking about? Yeah. Like, come on. Speaking of Nick Shirley, maybe. There's nothing else to say about him. Maybe they shouldn't have hitched their wagons so much to this guy. Why did he say it or do something?

Well, he replied to this, I don't know who this guy is. Tyler Olivaera. So this guy is another former fucking pranktuber guy. This whole ecosystem is just a bunch of fucking stupid idiots. Former pranktuber does this kind of stuff. He is one of the main guys who went to Springfield, Ohio to push the Haitians eating dogs and cats lie. The Nazi lie about that. He is the guy.

And then he just kept doing it. And now he's doing this. He posted, hello, Goyim. I have released a 73-minute-long documentary on New Jersey's Jewish invasion. And below that is a AI slop image of him pointing at a bunch of what appear to be Hasidic Jews and then guys in uniforms that say Goyem Task Force and they're like burning chickens. And there's a menorah with the wrong. wrong number of candles behind them and they look in front of what it appears to be a huge menacing

synagogue and under that Nazi slop Nick Shirley who you know J.D. Vance's favorite journalist posts in all caps expose it all leading uh Laura Lumer leading Laura Lumer to say expose what Jewish U.S. citizens living their life peacefully. Uh oh are you. Are you. you concerned that there's maybe a strain of anti-Semitism on your side? Fascinating development. Fascinating development, Laura. Every person being like, Nick, what are you doing? What do you think he was doing?

He's taking any marginalized or minority community and targeting them and saying they all do fraud. What he's saying? Like, all Somalis do fraud. They're just like pirates. They're culturally pirates. What is he going to do next? What's he going to do next?

next. What other group is you going to go after? Eventually yours. That is the whole deal. And he's probably stupid to even fucking know what he's doing. These guys who are like 23 being like, hey, when did all these Jews show up in New Jersey? When did that happen? I know. I'm like, what are you talking about? Did you just wake up? We go way back the state and our people. We go way back. This probably goes without saying, but I'm going to say it. It just underscores God, this is fucking tragic. Everything is tragic. So stupid, too.

Genocide is a tragedy. And the way that we've talked about, and the way that our government has cracked down on people trying to express their distaste, their horror at a genocide. Here we are, the same thing we've talked about for years all the time, ad nauseum, the conflation of the state of Israel

with just Jewish people. living their lives. It's... See, not a lot more. And then you're like, oh, Tucker Carlson's really saying some things. And you're like, yeah, he is.

But also why? What are you actually saying, Tucker? It's just a mess. The fact that Tucker Carlson's, you know, Nazi streak is inspiring him to ask tougher questions of the U.S. ambassador to Israel

than any mainstream journalist is enraging. It's enraging. And you would want a journalist motivated by journalism. Not to do that. Not motivated by Tucker's whole. And like, yeah, I'm glad those questions got asked, but I know that he's using it to make a different point than I am, you know?

Yeah, he's got a completely different project that he is working on. But yeah, then there's Nick Shirley just out there trying to get, keep his name relevant. He's so dumb. Before we started, the guys were like, maybe he deleted it. Oh, no, he did. Why would he delete it? It's giving him attention. It's giving attention.

And I do think he doesn't understand. I think he doesn't quite know his role yet and what he's actually doing. I think he's like, again, he's a pranktuber doing polymarket commercials for his, like, racist slop. He doesn't understand. But now he's one of the state's top propagandists. Yeah. So. And so, yeah, here it is.

And you're going to have to slowly fit. You're going to have to maybe reassess what you're doing. Has JD condemned this yet? Oh, I'm sure you'd go, I don't even know that guy. I've never even heard of what, like, Nick. Who? Who? Nick Hoolie?

I'm going to target, like, a 22-year-old kid. Just some kid doing, doing you little YouTube videos. Jonathan, coming in, hot, both of you. Vice. Vice, fuck, nuts. Although, according to, I forget who said it, somebody said today, he's the coolest vice president in the world that we've ever had. Yeah, she, and she, like, was introducing him.

He's like, he's the coolest vice president. I'll find it. somebody who's wrong. Loughler. You all know the story of his humble beginnings, and now he's in the Oval Office as the second most powerful man in the world and probably the coolest vice president

we've ever had. I'm sorry, Joe Biden was cool as VP. Oh, yeah, if you look at any photo of Joe Biden's vice president, but as VP. As VP, he would go into a donut shop and order donuts, like a real person. And order donut. The onion was probably somewhat responsible

for our image of, I know. But also that picture, that picture of him with that biker woman, I think that helped a lot too. That's cool. Have we all collectively forgotten corn pop? That's cool. I don't know. It was a story.

I will say, so this is a sort of side note. I am just so tired of this particular, like, he's the coolest VP we've ever had in the world. I saw Sean Duffy post a picture of the cabinet. And he's like, best cabinet we've had since 1776. First of all, there wasn't a cabinet in 1776. Doesn't matter, whatever. But you don't need to do this. Like every, like, I saw what Glenn Beck's like, this is the best state of the union that's any, any president ever had in history.

Not just U.S. presidents, any president. It's like, just fucking, like, first of all, that's showing a lot of disrespect to every other state of the union that Donald Trump is given. Were those not good? but like you don't have to be so fucking hyperbolic and bootlicky and just like the best it's the best thing I've ever seen in my life just say it was good you're not the best cabinet that's ever existed you're good you're you're you're happy with sarcoz never gave a state of the union like this maybe I'm just wrong and forget but we didn't talk about things that way I mean obviously it's about Donald Trump but from from out of the gate it needed to be the biggest inauguration the best. crowd every time it has to be that way and now everybody everybody's doing it and it's just it's really obnoxious um it's the most obnoxious thing that's ever happened in the entire history of the world actually i'd never i can't even possibly think of something more obnoxious but that's not important i just had to say it because i've noted like the past two days but it's not

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We've done your homework. Speaking, I'm sorry, so speaking of slop pranktubers and propaganda and I guess crime and the fake shit that goes on online that they think that you should care about and be mad about. I don't know if you've been following this, Katie, this snowball fight war zone in New York City. I'm having a little snow PTSD and this got pitched right before we started recording. And I was dealing with the absolute mess outside of my house from the snow. But gentlemen, tell me this story. I will talking about snow trigger you, Katie.

Yeah, I don't want to. I might start convulsing and shaking, but. So there was a snowball fight in New York City a few days ago. And I know. Reporting on it indicates that it started out. It was like high schoolers and some college kids. And it was like a wholesome snowball fight. You can watch video of the wholesome part of the snowball fight.

People playing the snow, doing all kinds of stuff. Snow. We like snow. Well, informer. But then the cops showed up and people started throwing snowballs at the cops. And, you know, there have been times when that's happened and some cops sort of take it in stride, maybe join in. It's snow after all. It's just a snowball fight.

But they got pretty upset about it and it got, I guess, out of hand. Some could describe it as being. and everyone was really upset about it because it was the worst thing that's ever happened and all these brave police officers didn't shoot the kids throwing the snowballs which was showing really, really great restraint. A lot of people were pointing out like,

good on these cops for not freaking out. For not shooting people. Murdering the kids. Don't think we need to give credit the cops for not doing anything violent in that situation. But regardless of your opinion on whether or not people should be engaging in this kind of behavior,

It happened and it was mostly like kids, high schoolers and stuff like that. I'm sure there were adults involved, which we will get to. Mayor Mom Donnie went out and said, you know, kids throwing snowballs. I do think, you know, you need to respect law enforcement. Like, please like show some respect for the police officers who've done such a great job keeping our city safe during the storm and all this kind of stuff. Whatever. He said the things that they wanted to say. Everyone's still so upset that he said that they were kids. And then they are.

arrested somebody finally for the snowball fight. And I just wanted to talk briefly about this because the way that this is being framed is so, it's just chum for all the fucking people who just like, they crave this kind of thing. They arrested somebody, a 27 year old black man who is at this snowball fight. Yeah, interesting. And the way it's being framed is kind of wild because the NYPD News account said this morning the NYPD arrested Guzman Kulibali 27 years old for assaulting our officers earlier this week in Washington Square Park.

He was previously arrested less than three weeks ago for an attempted robbery in the transit system. Well, yes, technically. So he was arrested for ostensibly doing a prank video for YouTube. He was going up to people and

bothering them and being like, you owe me money or something like that. And somebody called the cops on him for doing that. Now, I will say my position is all pranktubers should just spend life in prison. So I'm a little conflicted about this. This is like kind of tough for me. It's tough for me to weave around there. But it's also tough to square that with the other pranktubers that we seem to elevate culturally, the white ones.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is a little complicated. So all pranktubers in prison. But also not a robbery. Also, not an attempted robbery, as they are saying. There's this one New York Post headline, Punk with Rap Sheet, arrested in NYPD Snowball Attack. Oh, my goodness. And so that's, I mean, in fairness.

You've included Chris Cuomo in here. I have. So I had to. In fairness, John. In fairness, John, in first, oh, in fairness, we're going to have to not, we're going to have to go. easy on them because prank tuber is going to be one of the top seven jobs in America. I know. I don't. Exactly. We're going to be doing it. We're going to be like we will be having to prank people.

All praise the prank too. Just to say relevant. Yeah. This is so side note. I'm just realizing it's so funny. I did a video at cracked like 15 years ago, 10 years ago about pranktubers and how they are a fucking blight on society. And here they are ruining everything for everybody. It's the fucking worst. Anyway, Chris Cuomo. Do you even lift, bro? Sorry, continue. Nah. That's what we'll be asking people in 10 years.

Do you even lift, bro? Yeah, God. Show me your papers. Do you even lift? So Cuomo quote tweeted this, tweet from the NYPD News about this person who, this violent snowball fighter, Snowball fight my ass.

Grown men putting stones in snow. This is not simply about backing the blue. It is about right and wrong, Mr. Mayor. He's not quote tweeting the mayor. so it's weird that he's addressing Mom Donnie in the tweet like that. The tweet, which doesn't mention Mom Donnie. It doesn't mention Mom Donnie at all. There is no reporting I have seen anywhere about stones in the snowballs.

No police statement, which obviously take that with a grain of salt, but not even a police statement implying that there was stones in the snow. He just made it up. It's so he, this guy used to be on the news and like report on the news. he just made it up and lied and said there's stones in the snow where did you fucking see that man that's the fleet foxes song stones in the snow oh that's what he's talking about that's quoting that um it's just lush harmony from this tweet from Cuomo the stone I mean I probably wouldn't throw a snowball at a police officer sure I you know I'm not recommending it snowball but like just this it turning from this thing to like, he put stones in the snow.

Nobody said that, man. You're lying. Also, the photo they're sharing of this guy holding this big pile of snow, this scary guy who threw a bunch of stone and ice at the cops. That image is, no, it's from earlier in the day when everyone was playing in the snow. He's smiling in the picture, because they're all playing in the snow. There are no cops from this moment that they're sharing. It's just this collection of all these things just coming together to...

It's not the biggest story. It's not. It's not. But what it is, I think the word chum, the chum in the water. Wow, here you go. And I think it is important to address it because it's so freaking ridiculous what keeps happening, the stupid shit that sucks up the oxygen in the room and people's attention. We are talking about it, obviously.

So many more. We're talking about this and not the president lying at the state of the union. I mean, we're talking about both. But people. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, people, we, the collective, we, we can't hold everything in our brains. And we're just moving on to the next little piece of enrage bait. Yes.

Whatever. To borrow phrase from Cuomo, it is rage bait. I like enrage bait. And that is what he is participating in right now by. making up a lie about someone putting stones in the snow. And something I have noticed also, Katie, kind of your point, today on X the Everything app. It's all happening on X. I have seen so many tweets from people about this snowball fight being like, we got to send these guys to Rikers.

We got to make an example. You're not being harsh enough. All these tweets about this thing, 12 likes, five likes. Yeah. Nobody's engaging with these tweets, but they're still. showing them to everybody. Because they need to push the bullshit. It's just pushing lies.

But it's already dying. Like this isn't a story outside of Twitter and the New York post. Right? Like Katie wasn't even familiar with it. I'm sure a bunch of the people listening, thankfully we're not familiar with it. So that's why it's like a public service. We're filling the people in.

Oh yeah. You're welcome. And them trying to make it a thing against Mom Donnie because he like posted, hey don't, you know, don't do this. The only, you know, I'm gonna take more snowballs or whatever. Mayor stuff.

And Fox News went after him for downplaying it or whatever. But they're up playing it. It's nothing. Yeah, it is, it's nothing. And Mom Donnie damned if he doesn't,

isn't just playing Trump like a fiddle because he went to the White House today. He brought a proposal for like housing and his team created mock headlines to show how the country would react to Trump if these housing proposals went through,

which he loves. Trump really liked it today, wants to move forward and increase housing for people. And also, Mom Doni talked to him at that meeting about the Columbia student who was detained by ICE as part of a ruse today, released. Trump called him later. That's the thing about Donald Trump.

You get somebody that people like and you play the game with it it sucks they have to play the game but mom donnie mom donnie is walking the line pretty well so far uh it's tough man i mean it's tough he doesn't smile in the photos with trump trump seems okay with that right if you can use this man to try and get achieve your ends because that that is the thing about donald trump remember kim carjastian lobbied him about releasing some people from prison that were unfair some black people from prison that were unfairly serving sentences and he does because he wants he loves the he likes the compliments but he wants to bask in their glow and um be considered a part of it and great mom donnie is like

a natural performer at this stuff you can tell in some of these cabinet meetings or in some of these situations where people are handing Trump awards, you can see on his face that he's a little bit embarrassed about it. Like Homer, where the stone cutters are all letting him win and everything. He's like, I kind of get it. You don't need to do that. But Mom Donnie can flatter him and make him feel good, make him feel like he's like cool, young on the winning team.

Hey, we're going to do this together. And it seems natural. Like, it comes off natural. He's just playing him. He's a charming person. He's not J.D. Vance. Yeah. Like it's.

But he's also not. not he's not bending his morals by saying something he doesn't mean i mean he might be flattering him to some degree but he says like yeah a lot of people uh that voted for me voted for you because there is a through line in that people are dissatisfied you know sticking to that line it that's fine but he's not like kissing trump's ass in some way and you know it's so far it's you know it's uh i understand people have uh misgivings about it um it seems to get results, it's better than... It's getting results.

Well, it's also like, you know, how, what are you accomplishing from this relationship? Are you, like, you're saying, Katie, is you, like, are you going to support something like the Lake and Riley Act, or are you going to get housing built?

Or, you know, or are you going to get this person released? Um, the fact that it happened today is, like, kind of wild. It is. How effective, um, he got him to just sit down,

pick up the phone. Like, remember, you know how Trump's always like, I could, one phone call, I make this happen. He, he, He does it for him. He loves saying it and doing it for people also. And he did it for...

I'm sure the... Radical terrorist, commie, who just got released, doesn't have misgivings about a mom-dani meeting with Trump for it. I get it. It's tremendously uncomfortable to make it with a... I did just miss speak and say, Mom, Dami. I apologize.

Mom Dany. I pulled a quomo and I said Mom Dami accidentally, and I really apologize. I definitely understand people having hesitancy or... not sure about that dynamic and that relationship, but ultimately, I think Mom Donnie is very clearly pursuing as aggressively as possible all avenues of achieving his agenda.

And you're kind of going to, with the obstacles that he has in his way to achieve it, you're... Yeah. Also... Need that. This is the least important part, but it's also really funny. Like, that he's just... able to do this and Trump with like the photo of him with the newspapers he's so happy about it like it's he's so easy like what uh either mom dani or someone on his team came up with that idea hey how

can we like flatter Trump without embarrassing ourselves too much give him a couple of newspapers to hold up and smile like it like a dope like he looks he looks o fish dopey like what are you doing so happy it's like he's holding up a couple of bags of McDonald's you know it is like that oh snack time Anthropic is an AI company and they have or had or have a $200 million contract with the Pentagon but Anthropic has given the Pentagon access to these tools but they said only with some guardrails right like they said you can't use it for domestic surveillance of Americans right you can't use to like do the dark night camera thing and you can't use it for autonomous weapons because that could be really bad you know

don't want to put AI in charge of the weapons and deciding when to use them and stuff. And so the Pentagon. I've seen war games. I know what happened. I know what's up. Yeah. The Pentagon says this is unacceptable that they need to use the model for, quote, all lawful use.

And they have given Anthropic a deadline of Friday afternoon to lift those restrictions, or else they lose the contract and they get like blacklisted by the government by being labeled a supply chain risk. How can you do that? Like, how are they of supply? If it's so vital that the government needs to compel them to throw, make all these major changes, how are they like able to blacklist and supply chain risk? That's bullshit. I mean, obviously it's bullshit.

And like, listen, Anthropic is just like all these other big tech companies. their CEO Dario Amode has made the same kind of claims to try to boost value. They've dropped. He's slightly different though. I'm not saying he's good, but he's slightly different in that he acknowledges the risks of AI. Like he's interesting to me because he'll be like, yeah, it's scary. And he's guardrails. And everything you read about Anthropic was that for a long time, that was a core company tenant,

was that we do not proceed. There are all these guardrails. We do not proceed. We are moving forward with caution. But then recently they changed that because how can you be this hundreds of billion dollar valued company and be putting on the brakes constantly? So there's been some like caving within internally.

And this is not me carrying water for Anthropic or Dario, who looks so much like Matthew Reese. Someone cast Matthew Reese to play him. I mean, you're being way too kind to Dario here. I am. I am. But every time I look at him, I think. Hunky TV star, Matthew Reese.

Yeah, well, we always hunkify people when we're making movie about it. I guess you have to. I can see it. I see it because it's right there. Nick throw it up on screen. There's nothing to deny here. Who would I be hunkified as? I'm trying to think of who you can stretch the limits of hunk of vacation.

Gallifanacus, I guess, is the closest you're going to get. Okay. Anthropic, to your point, Katie, what you just said, they abandoned some of their major safety promises because they said we're not going to be able to compete if we're... I mean, that's the whole story, is that all these companies know the dangers and know that maybe it's not in service of humanity, actually,

and there are a lot of things you have to do to regulate and control what happens with these models because there is a lot of room for dangerous things to come about from them, but you can't keep the company going. You got to get the money. and you can't get the money unless you kind of sell out humanity or try, like, go for only profit. And so you have to get rid of all that stuff. And that's every single company seems to be just sort of going that way.

We're like, you start out lofty and then you, you know, chip away out. But we will say that as of right now, Anthropic is refusing to meet the government's demands in this specific situation. I'm not positive that other companies would do the same. But I don't know. I think Grock would be reasonable. I think Grock would be like, no, we're not going to do, we're not going to let, just let the AI do whatever. I mean, Grock is going to draw the nuclear warhead in a bikini, I think is the way that can do that. That's what is higher to do.

That is such an important part of, yeah, just. Our fake bomb girlfriends. The statistics going around about like how AI would choose nuclear warfare, I don't have the percentage in front of me, 73% of the time or something. That's too high. more than that. A study that was reported on this week revealed that LLMs, including Claude Sonnet 4 and two others,

in 95% of the simulated games, at least one tactical nuclear weapon was deployed by the AI models. They also, these AI models refused to ever surrender regardless of how badly they were losing or how many of their citizens were dying.

It seems like a bad idea to put AI in charge of your war gaming or your war or let's maybe not do war let's maybe just not do it. But like it's obviously a bad idea. Yeah. And the fact that the company is like, no, this is a bad idea. See?

The company that wants to make all the money. Exactly. And they're like, no, no, no, no, you're a blacklist. We need the most dangerous thing in the world actually to be in charge of these decisions. And by the way, it's still to their benefit to say this thing we're building is so dangerous. It probably shouldn't even exist. It just like boosts up its problems. and everyone still wants to owe

that's part of the whole push shouldn't exist well I need to own that so you're right you're right I don't need to be completely cynical about it because he may genuinely be like this could be good for spreadsheets and not good for me to make it clear

I don't think that him saying that or positioning himself like that makes him a good guy as evidenced by the fact that they did overturn safety like just a core tenant of their company very recently in fact top of the top

level just a few weeks ago we didn't I don't even know if we forgot to talk about it because there's so much going on but you know just one of the lead safety engineers and another engineer both left about the same time citing absolute concerns about the product that they've been creating and the effect on humanity as a whole and being not comfortable with this that said yeah one of them up there saying hey wait this is a big deal you're right it's too value it's it's it's strategic in its own way bring attention to their company and and Alton does the same thing to an extent. It's,

but I do appreciate. But they're, I mean, they're all talking out both sides of their mouth about this in so many different ways. Like it's like, oh, we're worried about the cognitive decline, but also I can't raise my child

without chat GPT. Like it's all just say whatever you can to make this seem like the most important, dangerous slash exciting thing in the world that we desperately need. Hillary Clinton testifying. Oh, yeah.

We got to talk about the Bobert thing, right? Yeah, we got it. Okay. And then we're wrapping it up. Then we'll be done. Yeah. I guess you explain. So Hillary Clinton's doing a like behind closed doors deposition.

She released on the social media what her statement was where she's like, I don't know anything, guys. She wanted this all to be public. Comer, the head of this committee, like, no, we're getting this in private. And then Benny Johnson tweets out a photo from inside the deposition room where you see Hillary Clinton and people talking to her. And it's covered in like the Benny show watermark. It's also. Yeah. Okay.

You're going to. And well, how did they get this photo? How did Benny Johnson get this photo that he slapped his watermark all over? And in the foreground, it's a placard that says, Miss Bobert. It's so funny. we've talked a lot about things that like technically don't matter and are like these little stories but it's all emblematic of like this whole era it's so funny she's like because you're not supposed to do that it's like it's like it closed and like yeah they're filming it and uh obviously she

said she wanted it live and all this sort of stuff but they didn't do that you're not supposed to be taking photos and you're certainly supposed to be sending them to penny johnson or like it's wild i'm a lot of sauce on this word journalists you shouldn't be doing. And it's just so funny. Neither of them noticed that. It's so funny because like, like aside from you're not supposed to do that,

she had to have her, she had to have her name in there. She framed it so her name was in there. And then the Benny Johnson show is like, they're 40 times. It's so many. It's so, what a silly, what a perfect image.

And they spent like, they're now pretending that this was all intentional. Like, it seems as if Bobert was like, hey, check this out, assuming Benny wouldn't put a watermark on it and tweet it out. But now they're pretending that that's not what happened. Benny is saying that she told him to post it. Yeah, Lauren Bobert is saying Benny did nothing wrong, proceeding with deposition. It was authorized making fun of crap. Bullshade.

So he's just spent hours and hours defending this. But they stopped the, if this is a true closed door session. then we shouldn't be leaking not that anything would be happening not that they would be like right it's just a photo but like so many water marks it's so many watermarks

and like it's just they all just need to be part of the show and it's so transparent and even like Penny's like um so she wanted to have it have it live but now it's not and now she's trying to get out of it by

making a stink about this photo you just said that she wanted to do it live. So like what do you mean she's trying to get out of it now? She showed up to do it. You shouldn't have posted the photo. It's so funny. Like her just her name of the foreground.

So big. That's so big. At first I thought that you meant that she neglected to frame it out. Oh. But no, she very specifically. She wants that name there. That said, I'm sure Monday by Monday, there'll probably be something we could talk about from this,

but also a million things will have probably happened. So maybe we'll talk about this on Monday or soon, whatever this testimony. It's just like, also just like knowing that like, so Lauren Bober just has like Benny Johnson's number and like texts and stuff all the time. Ech.

Ugh. What are you doing? It's gross. I think we've done it here, folks. We covered a lot of territory. We got to film some other stuff. So we're going to wrap this up.

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