Some More News - Even More News: Mass Shootings at Brown University and Bondi, Australia, and Rob Reiner Murdered

Episode Date: December 16, 2025

Hi. This weekend was marked by violence and tragedy across the globe, and Katie, Cody, and Jonathan do their best to unpack it all. They discuss the mass shooting at Brown University, the antisemitic attack in Bondi, Australia, and the murder of Rob and Michele Reiner, as well as the hate filled responses to these events from Trump and various Republican senators. It’s a lot.And as always, we recorded right before that big thing that happened.PATREON: https://patreon.com/somemorenewsMERCH: https://shop.somemorenews.comYOUTUBE MEMBERSHIP: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvlj0IzjSnNoduQF0l3VGng/join#RobReiner #BrownUniversity #evenmorenewsSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hi, everyone. Today we are talking about the many tragedies that happened over the weekend, the Brown University shooting, the Bondi Beach shooting, and Rob Reiner's murder. We also discuss the reaction to them. Happy Monday. Hi, hello, and welcome. Welcome back to even more news, the first and only news podcast. I'm Benny. Hi, Benny. Oh, hi, Katie.

I don't know why I said hi Benny and Benny's voice or in a different voice. That's not Benny's voice. His voice is more like this. Hi, I'm Benny. That's going to know he talks to me. But anyway, me being Cody, Johnston, hi. Hey, how's it going? Don't worry.

Jonathan is also here. Hi. Yeah, I'm going to put Benny down, because while he is very cute, it's true, it's been a horrific, violent, tragic weekend, and we have a lot to get through. Yeah, Jonathan, I don't even know where we're going to start. Yeah, I mean, there were a couple of mass shootings around the world, one at Brown University. a few days ago and then a anti-Semitic

terror attack in Sydney, Australia and then on Sunday night we found out that Rob Reiner and his wife had been murdered

in their homes and those things are horrible enough and then the reactions to them are unpleasant and we were just kind of

I don't know, figuring out how to live in a world, there's tragedy, and then there's people's reactions to tragedy that kind of makes you give up a little bit of hope. I don't know about you guys, but it's like headline after headline in my whole body tenses, because I'm like, who's behind this? What's the fallout going to be? What's the president going to say? How is this going to be spun to target people who are vulnerable? heartbreaking. It's existentially terrifying that this is the reality. It's the holidays. And I personally don't feel very cheery or holiday-like this year or any year lately because there's just so much. There's so much. So let's, I mean, I'll quickly go through the Brown shooting because there's a lot we still don't know. There was a person of interest in custody who has since been released. As far as we know, the suspect. in the Brown University shooting is still on the loose. And, of course, our president said things can happen. So to the nine injured, get well fast.

And Brown University, great school. Great, really, one of the greatest schools anywhere in the world, things can happen. So to the nine injured, get well fast. Also, just here we go again with very publicly announcing, with suspects in custody and then released and now this person's still at large. Just a clown show of trying to handle any sort of tragedy like this. It sucks that we got the podcaster government that wants to be the guy that gets attention

in credit and is all about appearances and not actually doing anything that you'd But, you know, I think this like this tip didn't work out was from Cash Patel, I believe, but I'm not positive because we don't know any information because the information landscape is bad. And if you look at some information some people are sharing, it's not even just like, oh, you were misinformed. It's like, oh, you've chosen to lie. You just decided to lie about this. Yeah. Today it's just a forever caveat of a lot of the details that we're sharing today will be out of date or incorrect tomorrow because of the pace of these things. I mean, that's, you know, that's fine. People don't listen to us to hear what, you know, they know, they know the news, this kind of stuff the most part. And there's just, you know, it helps to for me to listen to other people feel like they have the same reactions and are holding the same. kind of pain. So you don't want us to say just things can happen? No, I mean, it would be hurtful for me if I heard, you know, people I like and respect say that. To hear the president say it is, that's what he says. He has no capability to be affected, I don't think, by tragedy. As we'll see, I mean, his reaction to the Brown University shooting is probably his best reaction of the weekend.

Bizarrely, that is true. Yeah. Yeah. The right-wing reaction to it is, of course, I mean, it's what you'd expect. I see a lot of, because there were two fatalities in the shooting, and notably, the right-wing cares about one of them. And it's the young white woman, and they're sharing her picture a lot, and it's, you insinuating that it was targeted in such a way

that she was head of college Republicans or some similar. It's conservative and is involved in the church. And a lot of people talk around, like they call you Nazi so they can kill you and get away with it, that kind of thing. It's just a weird like, oh, this is the mode that we're familiar with.

Remember when Charlie Kirk died? We'll do that, we'll do that, we'll react like that. And they're trying to, like, frame it like this, like, targeted attack when... There's literally no information. No information. It wasn't the only victim. Right. One of the two fatalities.

The other was a brown Muslim young man. So, like, I don't even know what they're trying to say. It's just that... You know, they've spent years screaming that every time there's a mass shooting. And except that now they're going to try to tackle on this other narrative. And, no, we need to politicize things immediately. we don't have any information. They believe it is worse

when some people die than others. Other people aren't as human. I mean, it's just... Unhuman, many of them say. It's also horrifying when you realize that some of these students, this isn't their first mass shooting at a school. We are now, like,

growing up with this violence, our whole lives and multiple times... Like, it used to feel as if the odds of you specifically being in one of these, events like maybe it would happen but you know it would happen once but that's not the reality this is an ongoing lifelong problem that we now all are facing and it doesn't schools elsewhere's public

we're going to talk about the bondi beach shooting it's everywhere the violence is everywhere and it it is terrorism um and it's breaking our brains yeah uh i mean it's a statistical certainty if these keep going at the rate they go, that people will be involved in two, three mass shootings. You know, I think the Brown University one happened to honor the day before the anniversary of Sandieha. And that was over a decade ago.

And one of the most horrifying things I can remember, this is, when we go through the transcript of this, when you see it's a five or six horrifying episode, you know, it's a lot of bad stuff. happened. But like, I didn't think anything worse than Sandy Hook could happen in terms of just carnage and numbers. And then Yuvaldi happened. You know, 10 years from now, we'll have other cities. There will be cities' names that exist right now that you won't be able to hear their names without thinking of a monstrous shooting. Tragedy, yeah. This Bondi Beach

shooting in Sydney, Australia, the reaction to this one from people in America is truly startling. This was an attack on a Hanukkah event. As of right now, 15 people confirmed dead and 38 people hospitalized. The suspects are a father and

son. And then the hero, the man who subdued one of the shooters, I believe being shot himself twice in the process as a man named Akhmed al-Aqmad, a Muslim man. A

Muslim man. a person who is part of a group that is now being blind and attacked for this shooting. Let me read some of these responses. These are not randos. This is a U.S. Senator Tommy Tuberville. Islam is not a religion. It's a cult. Islamists aren't here to assimilate.

They're here to conquer. Stop worrying about offending the pearl clutches. We've got to send them home now or will become the United Caliphate of America. He's talking about not he's not talking about just immigrants. He's talking about Muslim people, period. Congressman Randy, fine. I'm not going to read his whole thing. But diversity is not our strength.

Diversity has become suicidal. It is time for a Muslim travel ban. Radical deportations of all mainstream Muslim legal and illegal immigrants and citizenship revocations wherever possible. Mainstream Muslims have declared war on us. The least we can do is kick them the hell out of America. There's more. I mean, this is these.

But again, this shooting happened in Australia. This happened in Australia I understand It's it's madness This is madness This is madness Councilwoman Vicky Palladino We need of New York City

We need to take very seriously The need to begin the expulsion of Muslims From Western nations Or at the very least The severe sanction of them Within Western borders This is remarkable And if you were to say

Oh the alleged Charlie Kirk shooter was from a Christian conservative family should we ban or deport Christian conservatives from this country like the the obviously it's a it's a gotcha type point yeah but I don't think they would see any equivalency whatsoever to them this is no proof of their of their virtue proof that they're right I think it's important to highlight that yes Australia has seen a rise in anti anti-Semitism, especially since October 7th. And yeah, we have seen elements of that everywhere.

But it's not because Muslims are bad and hate Jews. It's not so black and white as that. I mean, it's just hate and violence breeds more hate and violence. This attack will be used as a justification for someone to commit some horrible act of Islamophobic violence, which will in turn be used as a justification for more anti-Semitism or more anti-Semitic violence or more violence against quote unquote the West as some of these members of Congress see it. You know, that part of it, I'm not disagreeing with you that there's nuance and things are complicated in terms of how people see and react to things. But like that to me is just so

simple. That simple process that political violence continues to swirl and grow until such time as there's a breaking point. And it, you know, it's like there was a lot of political violence in the 60s and the theory that I read from, you know, sociologists or anthropologists is that it eventually just like become so intense at like people have to step back and it settles down. thankfully we have to hope we're at that point where these these kind of attacks calm down I just don't see evidence that that's happening yeah especially when

amidst all of these horrific acts by seemingly random people and citizens the state is also enacting violence abroad and at home and so it's hard I think it's hard to lower

the violence when, even if these kinds of acts stop, the violence won't really stop. Like, the, you know, the ceasefire, not really holding, as we have updated randomly. But, like, that's not, you know, that's not going to stop. The current American government is doing to anyone they don't like or you just read a bunch of representatives talking about this like they're not going to stop there i mean you know we've made there's a lot that's been light of the like words or violence but uh that phrase but these are threats from these yeah they are representatives they are threatening a large group of people millions of people i don't even know what they think is going to happen when was the last time an ethnic

cleansing happened that what like when was the last time a group was able to successfully remove another group of people from what they consider their country and it like worked out okay like what yeah like what's your example from history of this going well see and it worked out okay that's where that's where they get you

people are here millions of people are here they're not going anywhere you can't get rid of everybody you can't kill every Palestinian you can't get rid of an entire group of people You can't. They're trying. I mean, they're going to try. They can try.

But I'm saying, but you're right. You're right. Like, literally, what do you think is going to happen? What are you saying? What are you actually saying? Don't get rid of the people they don't like. And then suddenly everything will look like an ad from the 50s. And they'll be happy.

People will agree with them and like them finally. Everything will look like a New England town that voted nine to one for Kamala Harris. These people live in a fantasy world where what they want to, to happen if it happened would not be monstrous. Anyway, shall we talk about Rob Reiner? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, this is a horrific thing that happened.

This is a horrific thing, and it does appear that his son, that their son is the person responsible. I don't know about you guys, but as this story was developing, I was just chilled to my bone, wondering what happened? Was this somebody targeting Rob Reiner because he is a very outspoken critic of Donald Trump? Is this some sort of crazed fan? Is this an attack on a Jewish family? It does appear to be their son. But that doesn't mean that the conversation has been okay around his death, especially from our fucking president, our fucking... Well, according...

According to the president, it was what you described. Yeah, he agreed with a bunch of liberals who thought, oh, well, he is a critic of Trump, which is, I can't believe that anyone would think that. And that was a bunch of liberals on blue sky being like, oh, well, he is a outspoken critic of Trump. You couldn't believe that after the way... I mean, I believe that there is a very, that there was a possibility. He is out there. He's on cable news talking about Donald Trump. He could have some mad person could have targeted them. It was my initial thought. I was afraid of that. Yeah. I mean, we just didn't know anything. And then here. So I guess I'll read what the president of the United States said about it. After we already have more information. By the way, in case this is not your world, Rob Reiner is a legendary actor. director in Hollywood and who went on a run of films in the 80s and 90s. That's like truly

remarkable in terms of American Hollywood classics. He directed the Princess Bride. He directed this as Spinal Tap. Misery. A few good men stand by me. Like the American president, a bunch of films that people, when Harry met Sally, people rank among their favorites. And an incredible actor in his own right. A legend. Very funny. Yeah. A legend of a man. Anyway, here's what Donald J. Trump had to say about him on Truth Social. A very sad thing happened last night in Hollywood. Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling but once very talented movie director and comedy star, has passed away, together with his wife, Michelle, reportedly due to the anger he caused

others through his massive, unyielding and incurable affliction with a mind-cripling disease known as Trump derangement syndrome, sometimes referred to as TDS. He was known to have driven people crazy by his raging obsession of President Donald J. Trump, with his obvious paranoia reaching new heights as the Trump administration surpassed all goals and to expectations of greatness and with the Golden Age of America upon us, perhaps like never before, May Rob and Michelle rest in peace. I hate him so fucking much. He said rest in peace. That's nice. He's nice. I was upset, but then he said rest in peace.

To turn this whole tragedy into an opportunity to rail. Against his critics. Very expected. Very expected. Very fucking disgusting. And I know we bang on this drum all the time. But it just doesn't cease to amaze me that a few months ago, they all will tear their hair out and scream about people not being respectful to Charlie fucking Kirk and after his death. And this man.

A bunch of random people. A bunch of random people. Yeah, not. Yeah. And the president, yeah. And the president of the United States is, is tweeting this vial. I mean. Lowest of the, it just doesn't get much lower.

Yeah, he's a scumbag. It's really disgusting. And that was this morning, right? That was like two hours ago, yeah. Let me see, he posted that 6.51 a.m. I just want to highlight the fact that last night, well, yes, it crosses my mind. Was this some sort of political violence? Was it because he's Jewish?

All the stuff. Was it because he's anti-Trump? But not by this morning. You know, there's been more news reports. Instead, the President of the United States is just going to go out and say that. Yeah. Well, don't expect him to read the news.

It's also, I mean, 12 hours ago, about 12 hours ago, 10 hours ago, everybody, not everybody. There were some scumbags doing their little scumbag routine, but so many people like see how kind we are when this happens to one of one of theirs but like what they said about Charlie Kirk again we've talked about this so much like well is random people online whatever you can't force people to like be sad or whatever and it's so obviously performative like these right wing blue checks going out and being like I didn't agree with him but I at least am sad that this happened like that kind of thing where like they're like they They know people are watching, so they do that. But then, but then they're like, see? And literally they're like, they tweet the nice thing and like, see?

So we don't do what you do. But then the president opens his fucking mouth. It's so, it's so expected. Like, what do you think he was going to say? I would pause. Something nice. I would posit part of that reaction on this specific person is because he is beloved. Yes.

That helps. That helps for sure. has directed and started their favorite movie Ted Cruz's favorite movie and they all loved him playing Jess's dad on New Girl or whatever he was he was very funny he was very funny he was very funny so I would say that there is probably an element of that they're still making it clear like we're not doing this but I I didn't just like his politics but I loved his movies well none of us like Charlie Kirk's message I don't want I don't I'm not Missing Charlie Kirk clips.

I will miss Rob Reiner's impact on our culture. Yeah, exactly. Charlie Kirk didn't make like, yeah. Yeah, one person has a famous quote where he thinks black women don't have the brain processing power of white men. And the other guy is responsible for as you wish and I'll have what she's having. Rodents of unusual signs. You kill my father, prepared to die. Just so I have a inconceivable.

I don't know. Like just that movie alone. Write down the 10 most famous lines in cinema history and a couple are going to be from. He's got a couple. Rob Reiner movies. Up to 11. Like, I don't know. What do you?

Yeah. It's just, it goes and goes and goes. You can't handle the truth. Apparently he met his wife on when Harry met. met Sally, met Michelle on when Harry met Sally, and film love, and changed the ending, apparently, so that Harry and Sally stay together. That's the story that I read. Spoiler alert for... Oh, no.

Yeah. If this had been an act of political violence, then I would have expected a relative of Rob Reiner's to be on-team. TV being interviewed about the message four times a week for months as Erica Kirk has been. Apparently, that's what happens if someone is... Well, she's a star. Yeah, I don't even want... I didn't mean to, like, I didn't mean to turn things over to her in the CBS News interview, but it's... I mean, we can.

We'll probably talk about it either now or later in the week. I do want to read some truth social reactions to the president's post. Uh, good. Well, I think he might have discounted what the princess bride, for example, means to people. Like, this is, not every director is known around the country, and I think he's one of the few who are that people can name and could picture in their minds from his appearances and, you know, all of the family and spinal tap. All right. These are reactions from, you know, truth social people. I respect you so much, but this was heartless and uncalled for.

You could have just said RIP, love you, Mr. Mr. President, but none of the other stuff was needed. It's very sad that we are living in the world we live in right now. Come on, Mr. President. Not appropriate thing to write. And my favorite, please take that down. It's beneath you. Is it, have you guys not been paying attention?

I also like the one where it's like, I need to, first off, big fan of your work. Big fan. Love you. Deeply in love with you. You can have my first born. I think this was a little tacky, but please know. I've dedicated my life to you. What are you a fan of if you don't like this?

What are you a fan of? That's exactly what I'm getting at. It's like I love Jumpin Jack Flash and Honky Tonk Woman, but Gimmy Shelter is beneath you. That's not the same quality of Rolling Stone song that I'm used to. Like this is, this is it. This is who he is, man. I'm offended by that fake tweet. I love Gimmy Shelter.

Well, yeah, no, it's on par with the other good Rolling Stone songs. It would be an absurd thing to say. Yeah, it's really. This is where we're at, right? I don't know. I don't know anybody expected him to say. Maybe he should be asked if he really thinks that somebody killed Rob Reiner's wife because of their Trump derangement syndrome, which implies that a Trump fan killed them. Like, that is what he's saying.

That is what he is implying with the tweet. And that it's a good thing, basically. Yeah. He's kind of linking. That's what you get. That's what you get. That's what you get. Or being critical of me.

I've been reliably told by the vice president of the United States that we need to fire this guy now. We need to get this president fired for what he's saying. Yeah, tell their employer all of America. I was also reliably told that they're eating cats and dogs, so maybe I shouldn't take their word for it. I do not think that word means what you think it means. I was doing a Princess Bride joke. It's from that thing. It's from that thing.

JD Vance always tries to like give himself plausible deniability because they've all been a lot of people have been posting primarily of the vice president about the vice president of the Brown University College Republicans who was one of the two people who was killed in the Brown shooting and then J.D. Vance just posted as we were recording it looks like the second victim in the brown shooting has been identified a brilliant young man who dreamed of being a surgeon. May God rest the soul of Muhammad Aziz. Umurzikov say a prayer for everyone affected by this terrible tragedy right before Christmas, right? So he's doing the thing you would expect. What a whole piece of shit. And like, and right, you can't call him a piece of shit for like acknowledging, but he knows what the comments on this are going to be, right? The things that he has fostered. I don't want to, why am I scrolling J.D. Vance's.

Yeah, I don't mean to be like, what a piece of shit for saying the actual thing that Apologies should say, but like he doesn't mean it and he knows what he's attached to and he will probably, uh, he, like he is behind a project that didn't want that kid to even be in the country. He doesn't want him here, right? Um, his entire project is to either, uh, stop him from coming here or kick him out now. So, well, Vance is walking a tight rope right now. trying to uh well who knows how long his boss is going to be a life well vance was probably ready with his uh rob reiner post before his boss tweeted or posted some horrible stuff so now vance is like oh should i post a regular thing saying because he's a millennial he's seen these movies he's you know he's got to love princess bride and stand by me got a part of all of our childhood it's a it's a story told to a kid that's homesick and so when you're home sick

you want to watch that movie because it's comforting right Cody was it you over the week last week were you saying that you used to tape everything and for Princess Bride you missed the first

or was that Jonathan? That was Jonathan you missed the first I remember seeing the wavy lines and then Wesley and Buttercup like kissing for the first time Like, that's where I, like, came in.

Oh, so you never got the first three minutes. Well, no, I did eventually, but I just have these memories of, like, seeing a movie that was coming on, shoving in a blank tape and, like, recording it. So I missed the first minute, minute, and a half frequently of a lot of these movies during a HBO free weekend that they would give you once every couple months during which you would tape. Before we wrap things up for today, Cody, you wanted to bring up one other aspect of the Bondi Beach shooting, which I agree is very important. Yeah, I did. But first, earlier today, J.D. Vance, just for context, J.D. Vance, two hours before he posted about these victims, said, quote, tweeted, the single biggest obstacle to prosecuting violent leftists is judges and prosecutors in deep. He's doing, he's just doing the whole thing.

It's really, really, like you said, a tightrope walk where he's like, actually just just burned down the rope. Anyway, what I did want to talk about with this. Just got to sneak one more Vance thing. Just a little bit, just again, you know, and his whole morning was like, oh, we're going to get the leftist. I don't know if you guys have picked on, I picked this up, but Vance really bugs, Cody. He really, really bothers me. I really get to stuff. I do not like that Ohio fellow.

Would you like him on a boat? Sorry. Nope. Could I interest you and J.D. Vance with a goat? No? Okay. Jaddy Vance is the goat. How about an ice cream float?

I would not like Vance on a train. I would not like Vance in the rain. I do not like... Katie Stole. I do not like his fame. No, I'm not good at this. Cody Bondi Beach. Well, I'm just trying to figure out where I would like him.

Nowhere. I was going to say in pain, but that would sound like a threat, so I didn't. And no, I did. No, you did, though. But no is the answer. Okay. Yeah, I just wanted to talk about shooting Australia one more time because it's so fun. Because Australia had a mass shooting 30 years ago, and they implemented a lot of gun control, and then they didn't have mass shootings.

I've seen a lot of people sarcastically tweet like I thought that Australian got rid of all the mass shootings with your gun control well nobody said they got rid of them all and nobody would say that you can get rid of all like bad things in the world or crime but you can make it better and you can reduce the number

significantly which they did for decades and decades and decades and from what I can tell this shooting was done by was done by these two guys who used bolt action rifles. If this was in America, tens, maybe a hundred more people would have been injured or killed

because of the weapons that we are able to buy very, very, very easily. And I just, I guess I just wanted to point that out. Because people can, yes, we'll go and like, I guess that doesn't work anyway. No, it did work. It has worked for a long time. time. It made this disaster less tragic because fewer people, even though so many people were killed and so many people were injured, it would have been astronomically worse. And it's an important part of the conversation, especially since after this attack on the Reiner's, I mean, I've seen multiple tweets of like, it's the knives. It's the knives. It's just making fun of us. I, I,

can't. It's so just so disingenuous. Yep, it is. Yeah, they don't. They don't believe it. They don't mean it. They don't care. They're just, to borrow a phrase, they're just doing rage bait.

All right, folks. Well, that is where we're going to leave things for today. I don't know. I wish I had something profound to say. It's just fucked up. It's so fucked up. I hate it. But I love you guys.

That's nice. At home. And you guys are. too that's nice with me now that is nice yeah I'm being nice because it's the holidays um but yeah thank you for joining us thank you for watching like and subscribe whatever um and we do we love you very much Cody