Some More News - Even More News: Missing Ron's White Rain Boots

Episode Date: February 23, 2024

Hi. Jennifer Welch and Angie Sullivan of the podcast "I've Had It" join Katy and Cody to discuss the Alabama Supreme Court ruling that frozen embryos are children, the tradwife and "divine feminine" movements, and how we almost forgot about Ron DeSantis' gross, weird, tonguey little smile. Go to https://ground.news/SMN to stay fully informed. Subscribe through our link for as little as $1 a month or get 40% off unlimited access this month only. Right now, Hungryroot is offering Some More News viewers 40% off your first delivery and free veggies for life. Just go to https://Hungryroot.com/morenews, and don’t forget to use our link, so they know we sent you. Take the first step to visibly thicker, healthier hair. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our viewers $10 off your first month's subscription and free shipping when you go to https://nutrafol.com/men and enter the promo code MORENEWS. If you want to take ownership of your health, start with AG1. Try AG1 and get a FREE 1-year supply of Vitamin D3+K2 AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase exclusively at https://drinkAG1.com/morenews. MERCH: https://shop.somemorenews.com Follow us on social media: Twitter: https://twitter.com/SomeMoreNews Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/SomeMoreNews/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SomeMoreNews/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somemorenews

Hello and welcome back to even more news the first and only news podcast somehow my name is Katie stole hello Katie welcome back to me saying hi I'm Cody thank you for having me once again all the time i feel so welcomed i feel so stoked we have two fabulous guests today uh co-hosts of the podcast i've had it jennifer welch and angie sullivan angie do you prefer pumps no i actually don't refer to myself as pumps jennifer refers to me as pumpsumps. It doesn't matter if somebody else does. Off limits, understood. That's your thing. That is not like an official name change. I meant to ask you before we started recording,

but here we are. Make sure you call her Pumps. Okay, Pumps. A lot of conflicting information here, but we'll give it a shot. We are so excited to have you guys. But first, we need to talk about some holidays cause we got a good one. We need to.

Today, February 22nd is national cook a sweet potato day. I don't know this one. What is up with this one? So random. I'm out. I think it's big potato, you know, big potato, big potato, much like big pharma and big oil, you know, inventing a holiday. Trying to get into our lives, get into our kitchens, control what we do, control what we cook. Exactly.

I mean, I like a sweet potato, but I don't love, I mean, I guess it's fine. Jonathan, you included a note here that's accurate. Feels like more of a fall crap. What a weird time of year to just push the potato yeah February is odd for that yeah I looked it up to verify that it's indeed a fall crop how do you guys cook your sweet potatoes because I kind of well I don't okay I cut my hands when I try to cut um gourds or anything I get I'm not great with my knife skills. So I tend to buy the pre-cut ones. And then I put it in a skillet with some onions and, you know, cook it up.

That sounds good. I bake mine like I do a regular baked potato, like in foil. That's better. Then I don't have to bother cutting it. I order mine. I don't really cook. Oh, you order it. I'm an order. Like on a Postmates? Yeah. Other people are better at cooking than i am so i delegate a lot of that i feel like we don't even need to mention this one well i am anyway february 27 23rd is

curling is cool day and so this is from well cat this is a this is a well cat um offer up a worldwide embrace for an olympic sport the entire family can play okay oh if you don't get it you ain't cool that was unnecessary um all i know is uh another podcast from a recent guest gareth reynolds the uh we're here to help podcast with jake johnson very funny um there was a caller they call in with problems and people, they give very bad advice. And it's fun. But somebody called in being like, I'm on a member of the curling team and I want to make curling seem cool. And they kind of wrote a theme song.

I have a feeling that these people also contacted Wellcat to get curling school day. Yeah. I'm always surprised when I watch that. I mean, I love that people have something they're talented at and can do, but I'm just like, this is really on TV. Wow. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's glorified sweeping. Sweeping around it. Sweeping around.

Throwing it. I would do it, but I think I would slip and fall on the ice. 100%. That's a barrier to entry for me. Hiking is fine. I'll go sweep outside. I'll sweep around a ball if you want, but don't put me on ice. Right.

That's a recipe for the emergency room for me. Absolutely. I remember I was a kid. My parents used to have a holiday party where they would rent an ice skating rink for the afternoon and invite all their friends and their friends' kids. But there would be alcohol there. And it was very traumatic because every year somebody was seriously injured.

You know, like terribly concussed, broken bones. How many years did that tradition last? Like two or three and they stopped it. They were like, we can't do that. This is irresponsible. Liability reasons. Total liability. But, you know, it was the late 80s and we've learned.

Okay. Jennifer and Angie, you're delightful. You're fun. Your show is called I've Had It. You talk about the things that you've had it with. But we just thought we'd give you an opportunity to tell us, you know, something you've not had it with. Maybe you'd like something you'd like more of. What have you not had enough of? Surprise question. You know, I really enjoyed watching Ron DeSantis, who we've nicknamed Kitten Heels.

I really enjoyed watching his face plant. And it was kind of, it was this slow-mo face plant. And I thought it was just glorious. And then I also enjoy Republican cannibalism quite extensively, and so I hit those things all the time. I haven't had it with those, and I kind of miss Kitten Heels running around with his awkwardness and his Kitten Heels face planting, actively watching him face plant. Because where we live, so many people were like, he's the new guy. He's the voice of the Republican Party. And it's just like he just slowly started face-planting.

And I thought it was just beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. It was very artful. Because it was also, there was a non-threatening thing about him. Totally. Like you're saying, everybody's like, ah, he's going to be the guy. And you're just like, no, he he's not i've seen him talk once and so every time he's there it's very

non-threatening he's got he's got his weird way of standing and walking and uh just the smile attempts and it was uh only entertaining there was nothing like terrifying about like oh no desantis is up there um but, he's not intimidated at all. Did you notice before he smiled, he always like stuck his tongue out and licked his lips. And then he smiled and I was like, that's so weird.

It's so off-putting. Very disturbing. Remember when he was wearing those white rain boots? Yeah. He has on the white rain boots and he looks like one of the seven dwarfs. And he's out there walking around like with FEMA or something in his big boy boots. I mean, that shit is just, God, I love it.

It's priceless. Oh, it's so good. I like to inject that into my veins. We miss him. We miss him. Oh, yeah. The white boots. Oh, what a big boy.

However, I am glad that he's not going to be our president. Sure. That was never really a threat, though, I feel. No. But it's good. It's definitely good. I mean, it's like, you know, something you'd like to see more of, something you haven't had it with. It's like, yeah, I'm here for the pictures of him, the weird, odd moments.

Sure, the tongue, mostly to have a laugh. Any example of like any proof that nobody had like seen him before saying that he should run for president. Like it really seems like he just decided to, and everyone's like, yeah, do it. And then they finally stopped to listen to him and realized, oh,

this isn't going to work. Or they saw him on camera. You've never talked to a human being before. Sometimes you don't realize how off-putting someone is until you put them in front of a camera, until you see them in the boots, until you see the tongue in action, until you see the smile attempt. They're like, whoops, whoops, never mind. Put it back. Put it back. Back in the box.

He's such a one-tr trick pony. All he says is woke agenda, woke agenda, woke agenda, virtue signaling, woke agenda. And even I think, you know, the low information voters at some point needed a little bit more crazy to bite their teeth into. I don't, I'm not a Trumper, obviously. I don't like Trump, but he rotates the crazy around. It's an all-you-can-eat crazy smorgasbord, whereas DeSantis was just a one-trick pony with a woke agenda. And I think it just fell flat with his awkwardness. Yeah, he didn't have like, oh, windmills today. I'm going to complain about windmills today.

Right, right. Injecting bleach, injecting bleach. I mean, that was exciting. Why aren't scientists injecting bleach into their skin? I mean, every day it was a new crazy thing. You know, DeSantis didn't roll out sneakers. He didn't, you know, he's just a very monolith candidate against Wokogen, which he never was able to define. In today's information age, you can't.

I'm a shorter than average man, and I find you don't tend to get a ton of disrespect unless you're desperate to make yourself seem taller. Absolutely. 100% agree. So if you are shorter than average, and I'm not even sure Ron DeSantis is, but if you are, the boots and the heels is the worst thing you can do. Blood in the water. We're all going to smell the blood, Ron. Yeah, don't show a weakness. the water we're all gonna smell the blood ron like yeah don't show a weakness um in general i think that people underestimate or you know just the entertainment value of donald trump uh they

want to mimic it but you got to be able to go full bore you got to be able to live sleep drink shit that crazy all the time you got to be authentically that way to put on that show uh but also like you know uh sad entertainment wise entertainment wise i think many people listening are probably like yeah what if he dies soon that'd be great but uh when he does i think you can find solace and at least it'll probably be in a hilarious way like he's gonna die weirdly right it's not gonna be just, very quietly in his sleep. He's going to go out spectacularly. Well, and then there's going to be just a whole, you know,

all of his cult following. And that's what I believe that they are as a cult. It's going to be, you know, the martyrdom of him and then conspiracy theories that Hunter Biden killed him. And that shit's going to go on and on and on until the lot of them are all deceased i mean it's going to be he's going to be dead but he will still very much be alive in on the internet and in the news cycle because they will not let it go yeah yeah it is actually it's. I do remember. The aftermath of that.

At the beginning of this podcast, in the midst of the Trump years, towards the beginning, I always forget when we actually started the show. It's become a big blank space of time. But I remember being bummed. Yeah, that's not strong enough of a word. But realizing that it's going to take so many years, the pop culture element of him, the zeitgeisty element, even after Alphys, like the amount of content and the way that he's just going to dominate our conversations for so long, even after he dies. And that's better. And and sadly that's the best case scenario. Yeah. He,

the worst case scenario is that he has been out of office now for two years. We live in Oklahoma city and let me tell you his policies. We live in an abortion ban state and they've outlawed transgender care. You've probably read the story about the non-binary Owasso high school student, our fellow Oklahoman, Nex Benedict, who we have now in this state legalized bullying LGBTQIA plus kids. And all of this comes from overt Trumpism. And I think he gave so many people permission to feel angry that a black man slept in the White House and ate off the china in the White House. And that's how he started it. And it just came out. And it is just it's like a big exploding volcano.

And so the residue from Trumpism, sadly, is really impacting marginalized groups, particularly in deep red states like ours. And it's, you know, they all engage in what I call religious theater. Our governor does. He's always praying. He dedicated every square inch of the state of Oklahoma to Jesus Christ. Guess what's happened since he's done that? Fucking nothing. I mean, absolutely nothing happened. since he's done that? Fucking nothing. I mean, absolutely nothing happened. And so this Trumpism and the marriage to like evangelical Christianity is super fascinating. And people say, how could Christians, you know, how did they support Trump? How did they like Trump? And I'm like, it makes perfect sense to me. I'm not a religious person, but I live in the buckle of the Bible belt. Evangelical Christianity is the most punitive

religion I've ever been around. It is, you're either this way or you're going to burn consciously in hell forever. Trump is the most punitive politician I've ever seen. So it makes perfect sense that those two ideas would marry punitive laws and a punitive religion. They feel at home with each other. They feel normal and I've had it with them. Had it. Oh, that's such a good answer. To die, I've had it. I mean. There's like a kernel of solace, I think, in that like what you're saying, it is a perfect sort of marriage there. But he's so unique in that sort of like the showman way and his spiteful politics and what he does and what he emanates,

um, that like a person like him is required for the stuff we're seeing, I think to like really take hold without him. Uh, it kind of falls apart and like, they're like, well, who's in charge,

who's doing this? Like we don't have like the King anymore. Um, and I think once he goes away, it's going to be this very long protracted sort of dissolving of it um but without him uh or somebody exactly like him i don't think it is sustainable it is agreed bizarre though i mean it all makes sense i agree with you completely but as an outside observer as someone who's not religious, but

does my best to try to understand what I can and have conversations with people, but it gets very frustrating. The cognitive dissonance of, yeah, this is the person that will help me achieve achieve these goals, but don't you see how immoral this person is? You are turning a blind eye to just, where do I begin the list of crimes? Think about how somebody could so comfortably have cognitive dissonance. And it is in order to be religious, you are indoctrinated to have cognitive dissonance at a very young age. God loves you. You have to love him. He knows everything about you. But then, you know, he sends children.

He sends bears out of the woods to attack children that made man that made fun of a bald man and kills them or Noah's Ark when God commits mass genocide. So cognitive dissonance is something that these people were indoctrinated in from birth. And so the psychological soil is perfectly cast for them to say, oh, he's an imperfect vessel, but wink, wink, it's really God. Because that's what the whole, I mean, it's the whole house of cards. I was born and raised an atheist and my parents are atheists, but I live in this around a lot of religious people and have always been able to kind of sit back and objectively view how the cognitive dissonance in which they engage and how many of them have tried to convert me and how much their logic just completely falls apart if you even just tap

into it a little bit. So I obviously don't engage with it. But a lot of people will say, how can Christians support Trump? And I'm like, oh, my God, he's number one, just like an evangelical preacher. I mean, to the T, showy, flashy, magnanimous, all of the stuff. And then he speaks that same kind of poison rhetoric that evangelical preachers do. It's a hellfire damnation, but in the political form. And it's just, I mean, they were made to worship that. Hello, America, but mostly Doug Smith of Boston.

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Jonathan, would you mind setting this up for us? I would not. answer thank you i mean i do because it's horrible but i won't mind yeah saying what the story is uh so the alabama supreme court ruled that frozen embryos are legally considered children under the state's 1872 wrongful death of a minor act um this came out of a wrongful death lawsuit brought by three families who had frozen embryos that were accidentally destroyed at a fertility clinic this is bizarre how they were destroyed like i want more information about what yeah there's not much a hospital patient

removed the embryos from their tank and dropped them um so just wandered in there and picked them up and dropped them i guess right i don't know there's more to that but the claim was that well this was negligence on the part of uh the clinic and that this constitutes liability for the deaths of children um there is some very disturbing language um from chief justice tom parker uh a doctor, and I just want to say that right up front. Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, not a doctor. And I'm not going to read this whole thing, but the ruling details the theologically based

view of the sanctity of life adopted by the people of Alabama. So this is a court document. It is a Supreme Court, Alabama Supreme Court ruling that says that God made every person in his image. Wild. Human life cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring the wrath of a holy God who views the destruction of his image as an affront to himself. And this ruling is going to have a lot of significant repercussions for in vitro fertilization in the state because typically you fertilize a bunch of embryos and then you see which

ones look best and implant those and then the rest are stored or destroyed. But now that would be liability for death and could even be extended in future rulings to murder. I mean, it's baffling to me, first off. Yes. How is it legal in a ruling that – how are we – I can't wrap my mind around it. I mean, I can wrap my mind around it, but this is all 100% referencing God and we are a country of religious freedom. 100% referencing God and we are a country of religious freedom. And so at its base, no, we're not, but in theory, but at its basic level, but then you start to pull the thread. I mean, there are so many implications here as to what this means for couples trying to get pregnant, for LGBTQ plus people, for people struggling with their fertility, for people going through divorce. And now what do you do with these embryos if you're not going to have a child with your ex-husband? It's terrifying. I'm at a loss here.

I was at a loss too when I read it. I highlighted what John just read about how he was comparing. Like, this is a legal document that is now law regarding the Almighty and made in His image. And I thought to myself, well, the only way to reverse this is to go to the United States Supreme Court. And then I'm like, how much faith do I have in those bozos? Not a ton. We've got the handmaid that she's probably all for this. You know, I don't know about, you know, Clarence Thomas, he's just arbitrary and corrupt. And then Alito, he's a loose cannon. I mean, so there's three there right off the bat that,

you know, are not going to be in favor of reversing this. And I just think the implications and it just kind of, it kind of stuck in my head, like, okay, the original reason the United States was founded was to get away from the Church of England so everybody could have religious freedom. And now we're indoctrinating laws based on the Bible. And where does that end up? Where does that lead? Nowhere good. Nowhere good. It's like Christian nationalism. When Trump was first elected, how, you know, everybody's banging the drums about abortion and fertility and women's rights and just all of these issues. And then it was like, calm down. Stop being, stop freaking out. You can't lose rights. You can't give people a right and then take it

away and for a while i was like okay yeah maybe i'm overreacting maybe i'm i am you know anticipating this too much but no everything is happening it it it's happening quicker and quicker it's like a snowball effect yeah i mean he's gonna you know they're gonna it's it's i don't even know what to say uh you're right it's very scary um and it is frustrating to sort of see that um all the like it being very clear at the very beginning and very obvious what's going on and it getting more and more obvious and it's happening now and um even like we're saying like all the you know they're gonna go after gay marriage soon like that's gonna become an issue again like it's no question they're just gonna be doing that they're if they're using the bible in this way and like the word of god uh just thinking about where that could possibly lead is not good.

Well, and quite frankly, I think the Democrats have never really truly taken this seriously. Merrick Garland sat on all of this stuff with Trump way too long. He sat on all of it for entirely too long. He should already be in prison. Biden should have immediately done something with the court. And it's like, we sit back and try to play by the rules in these guys play the long game. They're not scientists. They're not doctors. These are religious fanatics. This is the patriarchy stuck in biblical times, referring to antiquated documents in the modern era. And I think that the Democrats need to launch an attack that would equal the launch, the attack that the Republicans

would launch. Why do presidents only have two terms? Because they couldn't take FDR anymore, so they fixed it. The Democrats haven't remedied any of this Trumpism, any of it, The Democrats haven't remedied any of this Trumpism, any of it from Merrick Garland to Biden. They barely scratched the surface to eradicate this and stand up for the principles that make America unique. They do like saying that they will do something about it, though, if you elect them. This is a winning issue for them. We see that even people on the right are like, don't know i guess i'll go this yeah a lot of people are surprised that this is where it's uh come to and so you actually you're correct there's enough support where you could take some bolder moves but i think that

they win by losing they win by having this issue to rally against. There's a little bit of that and a little bit of, oh, we're going to try to play nice and this idea of decorum and working within the system. But the system has changed. It's different and it's broken and we need to fix the system. I remember when we knew a month in advance that the Dobbs ruling was coming out, and I just remember how stunned we were. I think we were just sitting in stunned silence on this show that their response was, I guess you should vote or something. I don't know.

Shocking. I don't know. Like, yeah. Uh, not shocking in a way where like it's surprising, but it's so disappointing and unsurprising that they had a month to plan and like,

well, what if we get act blue.com links, uh, up and running forprising that they had a month to plan and like, well, what if we get act blue.com links up and running for when that happens? Just send a bunch of texts to everybody. That'll fix it. Yeah. They were acting like it was 2011 and you should be like, well, we got this change.org petition right there.

And if you, you know, make your voice heard just through that way, specifically sign it with your name and maybe use a hashtag. And it's like, no, no, no it's like no no we're way we're way far past that uh and i know you can't do everything all at once you can't just like overrule the dobbs ruling as the president but like there's we're screaming do something and he's like do something.org you know i do uh and and you know, this Chief Justice Tom Parker suggested in his ruling how in vitro fertilization might be able to continue in the state.

Chief Justice John Parker, again, does not have a medical degree, and I know you'll all be stunned that I keep repeating that. But he suggested, well, look, they just need to change the way we do IVF so that we just make one embryo at a time implant that embryo and then if it doesn't work they have to try it again not noting that it is an expensive process it's an arduous process unbelievably expensive yeah um and and you know it's like it's it's a it is a medical procedure you're getting shots beforehand you have have to change your habits. To go through that for literally a clump of cells. This is not the government's business. And this is where the Republicans are so ambitiously successful and the Democrats are not successful. We should be saying over and over and over again, big government Republicans, big government Republicans.

That's why Trump has been successful. You know, lion Ted, lion Ted. I can barely hear Ted Cruz without myself in my head going lion Ted, little Marco. And we should be pounding it over and over these big government Republicans. We should start a movement where all women, when they're getting a pap smear, take a picture of their feet in the stirrup and you know post it thank you so much big government republicans and just pound it and pound it and pound it and pound it and pound it because at the end of the day this chief justice can say all he wants to he can quote the bible all he

wants to but it it's going to go to as pump says it's going to go to this whacked out Supreme Court where the Chief Justice, John Roberts, is the biggest pussy on the planet. I've had it with him. I mean, he should have never allowed that to happen, where he votes for the Affordable Care Act to keep it, but then he votes with the lunatic fringe of the court. And so I just think that, again, it goes back to Democrats need to immediately respond to this as this is overreach by a Republican Party gone rogue. These are big government Republicans. That's such a great job branding us. We're these crazy woke, you know, with the trans agenda and all this stuff that's not even true. But I just I get exasperated with the Democrats lack of ambition to just get a simple message and get out of the nuance and just get a simple message and just beat that drum.

Yeah, it's the lack of, yeah, like, forcefulness in the messaging, but just, like, ability to message, I think. It's a Democratic party issue specifically, but also, like, we don't need to talk that much about this, but Joe Biden is not a very like alert sort of like with it kind of guy. He's not going to be communicating these things very strongly. RIP your mentions, Cody. I'm so sorry, everybody. I just don't think that he's great at this. But like picking a message, sticking with it and like hammering it home and being able

to communicate to everybody these things. Communication is such a huge, sticking with it, and like hammering it home and being able to communicate to everybody these things. Communication is such a huge, important part of leadership. Yes. As we're like – Pivotal part. Pivotal part of leadership. But not being able to do that and pick those sort of battles and just like, here's what we want to do and here's what they want to do. And we're going to remind you all the time.

That's such a good point, though. Just the hypocrisy of being against big government, except in this situation. Listeners of the show, I recently moved to the – know this, I recently moved to the mountains, a little mountain community that's pretty conservative, which was a culture shock for me. We're working on changing that. But I see that here too, the certain ways that they're like, fuck the government, we're all libertarians. However, yeah, regulate this, not that, can't have this. It's like very bizarre to me where you pick and choose where you want your regulations, but you hate the government,

you don't trust them at all, except for when they're doing the thing that I specifically want. Yeah, it's interesting because it's usually this sort of split between like, stay out of my business, but like business as in like, an actual business, like a company, stay out of like the business side of things. But like, yeah, get into people's lives, like the personal lives and regulating that aspect seems fine in a lot of ways. And that's something that the Democrats should have destroyed this myth a long time ago, several election cycles ago, that Republicans are so good with the economy and with business. That is the biggest myth on the planet.

Every time they get control of the economy, it tanks. Their system doesn't work. And the Democrats have failed to message that Republicans are business killers and they should tackle that and we should own that. But the messaging with Democrats gets too intellectual. It gets too nuanced. You have high information voters like all of us here. But when you get to mid to low information voters, those buzzwords matter, those little buzzwords. And so you've got some voters, like, oh, woke agenda. Yeah, I don't want the trans in the bathrooms. And so they vote that

way. But if you start pounding, the Democrats are better with business, very simply over and over. And I just think the Democrats cycle after cycle fail to do that. I think also following through on the ideals that, frankly, they pretend to have a lot of the time, on the ideals that frankly, they pretend to have a lot of the time, because a lot of the policies are what Republicans would say they want, you know, stock market going through the roof, all that stuff, we're not getting the free health care, and everything. But if you know, if you're going to talk a big game about student loan forgiveness, you know, we're getting okay, $130 billion here and there sounds like big numbers, but like, you know,'re getting okay 130 billion dollars here and there sounds like big numbers but like you know you got to follow through on that stuff eventually you can't just say vote so eventually

you got to take your big steps like the republicans do they say okay we got the numbers we're gonna ban abortion even if it affects us politically i want to see that follow through occasionally. Yeah, the big swings. Yeah. I follow AOC on Instagram. And yesterday she released, you know, another they're doing another round. It's so difficult to get entitlements passed because the Republicans, again, have messaged very well and they have demonized poor people very well. And I don't agree with this.

I think it's immoral. But they they pick on women and people. Once these kids are born in Alabama, you know what they say? Tough titties. No child care for you. No health care for you. No programs. Oh, and you don't have a dad for that kid.

You single mom. You're not a traditional family. But the Republicans have defined all of these entitlements as moochers that are living the high life on their food stamps. And again, their messaging is simple and effective, but it's so difficult to pass a social safety net because at the end of the day, a lot of the Americans are just not empathetic. And I think that's a symptom of, you know, capitalism on steroids. Absolutely. And everybody feeling the pinch in their own way for their own lives and fear for the future, perhaps, and uncertainty.

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Very soon. And we are back as promised for even more news. You were right. You recently did an episode on Tradwives on I've Had It, which I find is very interesting. I have been seeing a lot of that on my social media. Wanted to bring it up to kind of talk about some of these social media influencers in general. Most of our listeners, I'm sure, are pretty online savvy. They're on the TikTok and the Grams. But for the uninitiated, Tradwives stands for traditional wives. And these are women online who talk about how they embody traditional gender roles, taking care of the house and cooking and cleaning, taking care of the children while their husband goes out at work. But there's a lot of dress up involved in this. um they are kind of pretending to be this fake 1950s uh housewife that never really uh existed

um there are a few like very prominent uh uh trad wives some of whom have been interviewed by you know the daily wire and whatnot of like ah see this is a the good thing that you can be but it's interesting how this whole ecosystem contributes to this conversation that we've already been having about traditional families and values and Christianity in general. And it's very insidious to me to watch the rise of these different types of accounts. The other thing I wanted to bring up,

I'm not sure if you guys have seen the divine feminine TikToks about pushing for women to be locked into their femininity and not their masculinity. But when you start to pull the thread, it's actually from the same traditional perspective of a woman should be obsequious, a woman should be doting, submissive to their male, and that that's our actual power, right? Yeah, your meekness is your power. Your meekness is your power. Your femininity is your power.

But I just loved the way you called it out on your episode, is that it's a freaking scam. It is a scam. A traditional wife. It's cosplaying. It's cosplay, but like, if they were really a traditional wife, they probably wouldn't be allowed to be making money off of their viral content. Right.

That's the thing. Like this one gal, I spent too much time on it one afternoon. Okay. I just crushed it on the pickleball court, went home, letting my heart rate go down, and I find myself on this trad wife deal. And this one gal is very, you know, she has huge breasts and she's like the cinched waist and she's making bread. She's talking about how empowering it is. And her husband makes all these decisions and I'm just like eerily fascinated in it.

And I'm like, okay, number one, it seems like this is some sort of fetish thing. Like I think that this is playing to a larger fetish community. And then number two, you're just a grifter on the internet, just like the rest of us. I mean, you're sitting here, you're not a traditional wife. Plus you're making all these TikTok videos as your side hustle. You know, there's nothing traditional about that, but it's like, it's really weird. Whenever you see it happen, like whenever something new comes up where you have Gen Z and our kids are Gen Z and they're like annihilating gender right now. And it has been

really insightful and eyeopening for me as a 49 year old woman who thought of everything in binary terms to open up my mind more and think about where did we get this idea? It's from Abrahamic religions. You know, man was made in God's image. Woman was made from the rib. And so you trace it all back and there's really a lot of meat on the bones there. So you have like, and I think it's a really good movement for people. I think it's a really good solution for a lot of gender inequality, which is to kind of annihilate gender altogether. So then the pushback from it is, is to prop up these traditional wives, which like there was the one that were like the sexual

vixen ones. And then there were kind of like these granola Amish looking ones. The floral sort of dress thing. Yeah. It was so fucked up and fascinating at the same time. And they were so much younger than I was. And I thought, Oh my God, kids are so impressionable. Some women might think that, okay, this is the way. Let me tell you how it would have gone in my life. Had I been submissive towards my husband who I've been with for over 20 years and I have two kids with, okay. He is a recovering opiate addict. He's been to rehab five times. And if I had submitted to him, I would have been a

drug addict. We would both be dead and my kids would be orphans. That's how that would have played out. And so all of this is real fun and games for these gals that are doing this online, but it's just a terrible idea to submit to your husband. It's the worst idea on the planet. And I'm a divorce attorney. So I see women that have been traditional wives and I did the stay at home mom thing. I would never call myself a traditional wife, but I was financially dependent on my spouse. And when that goes belly up, you're trapped financially and financial abuse in marriages is ever present. And if you put yourself in a situation where you can't earn money, you don't have the confidence to go interview for a job. I mean, you have to be 100%

dependent on somebody that may be disappointing because generally humans are disappointing. That's just how it rolls. So to think that all of your life choices and your circumstance for survival is dependent on somebody that could tell you to fuck off and go start screwing their secretary that's 20 years younger, what are you going to do as a traditional wife? You're not going to bake bread for the internet because nobody cares. I mean, absolutely. Everything you guys both just said is spot on. And it kind of breaks my heart for lots of women who find themselves in these situations and kind of get brainwashed into it. As I said, I'm in this community that's kind of a culture shock for me when I first got here. And I've had these conversations

with like dudes up here, like I want this type of wife or, you know, talking about this. And I'm like, and I'm saying this and I'm like, but, you know, if a woman, the vast majority, people are disappointing. I don't mean to just say men are, but like a lot of men are, let's be real. It's true. But, you know, also it's so freaking hard to make things work as it is these days. You need both salaries if you want to raise a household with children. But just the fact that a woman gives up all of her power to somebody who could become abusive, to somebody that you barely know at the beginning of your relationship, but you never know anybody. It's a lifelong journey of getting to know people and we evolve and change.

So you're just saying you put all your eggs on that basket and, you know, look at the numbers of spousal abuse. And the response I got was, you got to pick better men. Like, no, fuck you. You're completely fundamentally not engaging with my point here. Yeah, because also, like, if you see a lot of these videos and the reaction to them, because on the other end of the spectrum you have like the trad life men and that's also really fucked up um even like looking at comments on these like trad wife videos like those are the kinds of men that this approach is attracting and that is the situation you're talking about like Like men who just want to sort

of like be, have that like total control to be able to like, uh, abuse that power and that dynamic and basically have a servant, right? Like it's, um, if you're the breadwinner, you do have all the power, you have all the money. That's how we function in a society. That's just how it is. So you have this built-in power dynamic where well you're gonna take care of this and take care of this and do all the things that let me just be here so it's like this sort of employee employer relationship that is built into it um and i don't know i like don't look at the comments i guess it's just a general good rule for anybody doing anything on the internet but um the kind of guys that sort of gravitate towards this uh ideal uh woman is uh not good either

um so you just have these two sort of uh skewed views of like reality feeding into each other i watched a few minutes i couldn't get through the whole thing i watched a few minutes. I couldn't get through the whole thing. I watched a few minutes of the Michael Knowles interview with Estee Williams, who I believe is the woman, Jennifer, that you mentioned earlier. She's talking about, yeah. She's one of the main trad wives. The blonde kind of, yeah, Bobby. Yeah. And Michael Knowles was like, and he's the Nazi guy.

Michael, one of the Nazi guys. Michael Knowles was like, is just this is just great so you're doing this thing that's kind of untraditional by today's standards why don't you explain that and he's being like not only treating her like a child but also being like kind of pathetic in that it's like oh man wouldn't it be great to know a woman who didn't have hobbies or interests or want to do anything? Like it's bizarre. He was like, it's an act. Like he's also buying into this fantasy, which you can tell like he lives in the world.

He doesn't really believe that this person is the cartoon she is presenting herself as. But I do think there's this sense of certain conservatives wanting to live in a fantasy they're like well like this this world doesn't exist anymore it's changing so i'm just going to create this fantasy and i'm going to live it online even if it's right like yeah really because even doing it is like fake like i think you pointed out earlier like traditional wives back in the day weren't baking bread like in their window. So perverts can leer at her while she's baking bread all day and then make money from that. Like doing this on TikTok just completely destroys like the illusion because that's not how it goes. I imagine like a lot of these women are the primary breadwinners because they

make a lot of money from TikTok, right? The bread makers. Bread makers, yeah. But there is also an element of white supremacy to this movement because for black women, they were who traditional wives managed back in the day. While the black women took care of the children, cleaned the house, prepared the food. It's never been an option for a black female in America to be a trad wife and have this side hustle and all of this stuff because they have had to work so much harder than white women have. So it's rooted in misogyny, crazy ass Bible shit, sexism, and white supremacy. The whole thing, you know, you don't see African American trad wives saying, Hey, we're going back 50 years

because that wasn't a very good time for them, you know? And so, and that's another thing too, like make America great again. Let's go back to this as shitty as we all think the world is right now. It's just because we see it all the time because of our devices. We see all the fuckery nonstop, but race relations were worse back then. Women's positioning in society was worse back then. As horrible as we all feel because the information delivery system, we're all on our phones just tweaking out all the time. the information delivery system, we're all on our phones just tweaking out all the time. There has been movement and improvement towards more social justice. It's not perfect. It's not where we want it. But it is vastly better than it was 50 or 60 years ago. Absolutely. These are all such good points.

I also wanted to just dive in real quick and just point out because you'd mentioned also, because you'd mentioned also this so much of this comes from like this sort of biblical aspect and the you know man came from like image of God and then a woman was second but literally that's just not true except XY chromosome like the Y chromosome mutated from the X chromosome so like women literally were first if you look at like actual like biology and I just wanted, I have to point that out whenever anyone's like, man's first.

No, no, no, no. That's not how it works. The OG OG trad wife. There we go. Exactly. That's it. I'm glad that you pointed that out. Speaking of like awful trends

on social media and grifters making videos. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll end on a light note and talk about Ruby Frankie, the parenting vlogger sentenced to 30 years in prison for child abuse. This story is so fucking wild and gross. And we're going to set it up, everybody, if you haven't heard it. I just want to preface this by saying,

in conjunction with this conversation we just had, I'm very alarmed at our general media literacy, media literacy, but also our ability to navigate this kind of propaganda or the people, the grifters, the different people trying to make a buck off of our attention, trying to – it is all a grift. It is all – you don't know who these people are or who to trust. So anyway –

Especially, yeah, they're presenting a specific lifestyle too, especially. I think that's – There's so much about it. But Jonathan, let's set this one up. There's so much about it. But Jonathan, let's set this one up. Yeah. So this is about a former family vlogger on YouTube named Ruby Frankie who managed this YouTube channel, Eight Passengers, with a business partner, Jody Hildebrandt.

Also, fat name for a channel. I'm sorry. Keep going. Well, yeah. I mean, we have lots of YouTube suggestions we can make for them 10 years ago. They were, they both were, Frankie pleaded guilty last year to four counts of aggravated child abuse. This all came to light after one of her sons escaped her house and ran next door to a neighbor for help. uh for help there were allegations that one child was forced to stand outside in direct sunlight for several days which resulted in repeated and serious sunburns with blistered and sloughing skins um another child was found bound uh with with duct tape um and what came out

after all this came to light and the channel was shut down is that her business partner, Jodi Hildebrandt, runs this parenting and lifestyle coaching service called Connections, which when you dig into it is a cult where former followers of Connections said that everything was based on shame that they were belittled uh by this woman that it's not until you pull yourself out of it that you realize that you're just forced to comply that you are you know told to um basically run your household through judgment and shame and abuse of your children. And a few other details I want to throw out there, that both Frankie and Hildebrandt regularly shared discriminatory viewpoints on their YouTube channel. Insider wrote that Frankie and Hildebrandt shared racist, homophobic, ableist, and transphobic comments on their channel. And this came out years after that

the division of child and family services was originally notified because of things they were doing on their youtube channel some viewers who were fans of theirs and into this parenting and lifestyle coaching were like should you be saying this to your children should you be saying this to your children? Should you be doing this to your children? This seems like it should be raising red flags. To be fair, the extreme things that have come to light were probably not on there, but there were comments and examples of being like, this seems weird. Yeah, it's like leaking through kind of. You're like, wait a second, what's actually going on here?

I'm not quite sure what to say outside of my abject horror, but it does go hand in hand with the stuff that we've been talking about and the online space. Where's the dad in this? And the fact, okay. That was my question because I was reading about it and it was like, he just filed for divorce recently, the dad. Yeah. And that they'd been separated based, because I guess this Jodi Hildebrandt was their marriage therapist. And she recommended they separate so that they could rebuild their marriage. And that's when the Frankie woman started like following all the rules of this Hildebrandt. But I'm like, where was the dad? Because they were separated for 13 months before this all came to light. So it's like, did he not know? Did he not see the kids? But he had to have. He had to have.

I mean, his attorney says he was brainwashed and was kind of excommunicated and forced into isolation, which on the one hand is very, you know, useful for his attorney to say. But on the other hand is apparently part of this whole connections thing, which is about breaking connections. Right. But at the end of the day, brainwashing or not, I mean, he has to be party to this abuse. It's been going on a long time. At some point, if he realizes it's a problem and he's aware on some level, he goes and

seeks a court order to see his kids. on some level, he goes and seeks a court order to see his kids. I mean, if it's on the videos, it just seemed he was way too passive for my taste in that, that he intervened long before he did. But I also read that she kept the kids at this Jody Hildebrand's house all the time. So, I mean, I don't want to give him any credit that he was hiding because, I mean, after 13 months, you can – I mean, justice is slow, but it's not that slow. But they made it – I did read it's like a Scientology thing where you have to cut ties with anybody that's not in the program. But I also thought, okay, this woman had to be crazy before that she was a punitive parent or something for her mind to just be like, okay, well, that's what Jodi says. So that must be right. that position themselves as an expert in mental health or dating or whatever, and they get something that goes viral. Let's say maybe it's a good piece of content, a good piece of advice,

and they get these followers. You got to keep doing it. But then you also get this echo chamber of people encouraging you and you start to get more entrenched in it. You go deeper down this path and I can see how it can snowball. However, these people seem truly sadistic. I think there's a larger, you know, psychopathy behind this gal's, you know, in her DNA that to abuse your own children is a lacking of empathy that, you know, would be left to the psychiatrist. But it's beyond just some of the performative parenting that we all see on the internet right now. And I'm, our kids are older now. I have a sophomore at Syracuse and then a high schooler at home still

with me. And I'm so grateful that I didn't see all this crap when I was raising my kids, because we have these brains that are meant to be activated all the time. And when you're kind of in kid jail and you're planted at home and you've got the wiggles or some bullshit cartoon on and you feel your brain kind of rotting, if I could see, you know, going on this thing and saying, Oh, this mother's doing this. Oh, this mother's doing that. And there's this level of guilt that you feel all the time when you have a child that you never had before. Like, are you doing, am I good enough of a mom? Should I be doing this?

Should I have let them eat that bag of Cheetos? And it just kind of permeates. And so I'm so glad I didn't see all that bullshit. Because the thing about being a mom is, especially to really young kids, young kids are like drunks. One minute they kiss you. The next minute they vomit. Then they slap you across the face. And then they kiss you again. next minute they vomit and they slap you across the face and then they kiss you again and then they fall asleep.

It's like hanging out with a drunk person. So you feel kind of unhinged like you do when you're running alcoholic. And so, and I, I mean, loved my kids. I'm glad those days were over. I enjoyed it when it was there, but I don't think any of that stuff is helpful. And a lot of what we talk about on our podcast is like this toxic positivity bullshit on the Internet. And, you know, we try to be an opposing force to that because life is messy. Motherhood is messy.

Being a wife is messy. Marriage is messy. And there's beauty and ugliness wrapped up into all of it. But the performative parenting, I have to say, I just think when anybody's grandstanding about anything, if they're grandstanding about what a great mother they are, it's a red flag. What a big Christian they are, it's a red flag. You know, we have this superintendent in our state. His name's Ryan Walters, and he's going on and on and on about gay people and porn. I have a personal theory that he watches gay porn all the

time. I mean, that's just my own personal theory, but I just think whenever you hear somebody going on and on and on about something, it's a mask. And so that's what I think a lot of these performative accounts are. And I just think, I think they're kind of dangerous, wildly entertaining, but dangerous. Yeah. That's the problem, right? right is that it is you can watch all these videos and like be very entertained and they're silly people in a lot of cases and it's not always going to get to this dangerous like tragic sort of point um so you can't always look away it's hard to look away you know you got people who are watching these videos who are like really really enjoying them and absorbing them in in in harmful ways and then you have half the audience is like look at this dope this is so silly what

are we doing and that just gets the more uh more reach and more popularity and more money so they're gonna lean into it even more i have a son who's almost one year old and i notice what when i go to the park with him and my wife, there is this kind of like, my brain tells me, you got to turn it on a little bit more. You got to appear to be a really good dad. And my wife is always like,

if she sees a dad at the park with her kid, she's always like, that's a weekend dad. Look how much he's like turning it on and being like, right, buddy, let's go over here. Come on. Like they're like, that dad is a everyday dad. Cause he's like turning it on and being like right buddy let's go over here come on like they're like that dad is a everyday dad because he's like all right what's next swing can you do it and i'm now very aware of that i'm like okay i don't need to like

i can just be the person i want to be with my kid and i don't have to like prove myself to these other dopes at the park yeah i'm just trying to get through the park. I know Jonathan is a great dad. Oh, thank you. I mean, you don't, I suspect he's a good dad. I don't know.

You're great. So you gotta be a great dad, right? That's the logic. That's what I wanted. That's the good stuff. You guys are a goddamn delight. Thank you for being on the show with us today.

Please promote your show. Tell us where people can follow you and all the things. Okay. It's called I've Had It, and it's on all the podcast platforms on Tuesdays and Thursdays. And then we go totally political on Mondays and Fridays on our YouTube channel only. We like to traffic in Republican scandals, particularly Moms of Liberty type stuff. Yeah.

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