Some More News - Even More News: Shut Up, Tucker

Episode Date: April 24, 2026

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Hi, on today's episode, we talk Virginia's redistricting vote, the Justice Department's indictment of the Southern Poverty Law Center, and the continuation of Tucker Carlson's bogus apology tour. All this and more on Even More News. Oh, welcome back to Even More News, the first, the only news podcast. My name is Katie. It's Katie. Katie Stoll. Hello. I am Cody.

He is Cody and Jonathan is also here. Yeah. Hi. There is. Hi, Jonathan. I almost said hi. Hi, Cody. Instead of hello, I'm, I didn't want to step on your whole situation.

You would have been. Your whole thing. So you're welcome. We're on a palette today. We got a color palette. Oh. I didn't notice that before, but we do. Oh.

I did on a purpose. I didn't. do it on purpose. Well, I think we've done it here, folks. That's it for today. Come check out our live stream on, if you want more of this, talking about our clothes and the way we introduce ourselves, there will be more of that and things at the live stream. I had a half hour about holidays, but I guess we're not doing that. As Jonathan mentioned, we are doing a live stream next Tuesday. And despite the rough start to this episode, it seems to be a lot of fun. People seem to really like. like it and we certainly really like it. It's like a fun hang. Anyway, next Tuesday, 6 p.m. on our YouTube channel.

6 p.m. Pacific. And then after that, we go over to our Patreon, for any patrons out there, and we continue the party. But that's next week. This week, we're here. We're talking news. Do we have any Iran updates, Jonathan? Is that where we're starting?

Where are we at? I think this is our first opportunity. in a while to not spend the whole episode. I mean, not that anything's resolved. It's just we're at this stalemate where the ceasefire has been extended indefinitely. Thankfully, Trump decided not to start bombing again. He will not extend the ceasefire.

Will not, blah, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden, end of day, extended. I guess it wasn't that wild come to expect it, but impossible. Yeah, he's extending it. Because they're so discombobulated over there, So I'm going to let them in Iran get their act together and make a proposal to us. Whatever.

The straight is still closed. So there's still that kind of economic war going on that. And it has been closed for decades, but Trump is going to finally open it up? Yeah, 47 years. Okay. That, man, you have no idea how much cheaper oil and gas will be like 30 cents a gallon once Trump does the thing. The presidents have one. wanted to do for decades.

That's low. 30 cents. Things are just kind of, we're just kind of waiting around for the war to end, which is over, but still going on. Who knows? Oh, and the Pentagon says that even once the straight is open, it could take six months to remove all the mines that have been placed there. So, again, we're just kind of plotting along here.

Or if you're hearing Donald Trump, yeah, we're cleaning up the mines. It won't take long now. Depends on who you listen to. We have the best mine cleaners. The best mine cleaners, one might say. Either the oil and gas experts are right and things are about to get really bad or they're not. I don't know. I don't know what to say.

In that scenario, Trump would be the correct one, yes? I guess. Either the experts are correct or Donald Trump is correct. Yep. Yep. Well, again, now I don't know what to think. I'm still seeing six. I'm being $6 gas near my home, and I'm like, that's not as bad as it could be.

Not as bad as it could be. There we go. It is between six and seven. But worse than it should be. If only we'd voted for Bernie. Ten years too late, but yeah. He could run. He's got one more in him.

He's got one more in him. Yeah, that continues to drudge on, and I guess we shall see what happens. It doesn't feel good. Also, they fire a top. Navy. It's a day of the week. They fired somebody. Yeah, John Feeleon, U.S. Navy Secretary, is leaving.

Who, I guess, is in the Epstein files. So there's that. But he's going to get a nice little retirement package then, I guess. They'll put him up. Everybody who's anybody is in the Epstein files, don't you know, Jonathan? Except for Trump. Epstein was a real naval military enthusiast. So it just comes up, you know, here and there.

Also, Labor Secretary, Lori Chavez, Doreemmer's gone. If you're a woman in the Trump administration over the last 12 months, things haven't. Like, you hanged in the cabinet aren't doing... You just really hung on for a long time, actually. I wonder what that's about. Meanwhile, RFK doesn't get fired. He just gets completely sidelined. Speaking of RFK, should we just really quickly play that clip, not the breathing clip,

the dog MRNA clip. Yes, RFK, Congress. They just talk once a week now. it's miserable here he is. AI is going to revolutionize medicine. And it may at some point make FDA even irrelevant. And it's going to give us the capacity to develop new drugs, personalized medicine for every citizen.

You know, I just was reading about a dog that had cancer. And his owner used AI to develop a personalized treatment that cured the cancer. We're going to see that now in medicine, across medicine, and we're very excited about it. AI is very dangerous potentially, but also has the capacity to bring really great things to humanity, particularly in the realm of human health. That's kind of true. It's almost a little bit true. It is kind of true. An AI helped create an MRNA vaccine that didn't cure the cancer. It did reduce tumors, which is a good thing.

I'm glad that he got some good results for the dog, but didn't cure it, but also... Well, it's just... The anti-vaccine guy. I mean, not just the anti-vaccine guy, the anti-MRNA vaccine guy. Specifically this technology that they're cutting, like, research for. But if AI, which will make his job obsolete, apparently, it can do. it, then it's okay, I guess. But like, again, it's like, it's, you know, there's stuff that AI can do in the medical field and in research, um, apparently, allegedly. And, but this isn't a case where like,

yeah, they, uh, AI made a vaccine and it cured the dog's cancer. That's just not what happened. And it would be better if he was more responsible on how he talks about it. 100%. But also very interesting to see someone who has made his way into his current position, specifically, as referenced, railing on the MRNA vaccines, being against vaccination for your children in general, causing measles outbreaks all over this country. So there's that bucket. But then the idea that, so then the FDA won't, like his job. Like his job. would be obsolete. What?

You think that's safer somehow, that people are just creating vaccines in their homes? And then one final point is that one of the fear mongering claims that have been circulating lately is that the threat of AI to create a biological weapon, the flip side of that coin, like the threat that AI poses in terms of everybody, if somebody can just make some sort of, and I'm not saying that that's legitimate. It's interesting because RFK is lying.

It didn't cure the cancer and all that. But also, he could have done a much better job at describing what this was because it is a person who worked in tech that had some existing access to advanced software, to looking through like different, I don't know the exact terminology, but a personalized cancer vaccine looking through neo antigens

and encoding them into an MRI sequence and then going to the University of New South Wales like there's a significant process. And he says, right, he is saying, well, a person used AI like you would use, like Chad GPT, to make a personalized treatment, not an MRI vaccine that treats the cancer. Personalized treatment for the dog,

he made it sound like it gave out a list of supplements that cured the cancer, which is what he would love. But it's not that. Dufus. Anyway, he's sidelined. He has nothing to do. You know, like, vaccines are fine again.

They should try sending him to Iran to negotiate. The guy who's like, yeah, none of these vaccines are tested. They don't know what's in them. They're just like willy-nilly making all these vaccines and pumping your kids full of them. But a robot could give you this dog vaccine and that'll cure you. It's just. I know that's not what he said exactly, but come on. Let's talk about SPLC.

Todd Blanche, who you'll know as the acting attorney general, and FBI director Cash Patel, going strong. They had this press conference on Tuesday where they announced an indictment against the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is a civil rights group going back decades. But for the last several decades, they have been tracking hate groups. You can go to their website and see a list of different hate groups and the things they do and their leaders and all that stuff. And the indictment says that the SPLC paid. informants to infiltrate these extremist groups like the KKK, Aryan Nation, and National Socialist Party of America, but that they didn't disclose this to donors. And so that's fraud because they're basically paying the KKK and the neo-Nazis. And the implication, though I don't think it's

explicitly stated in the indictment is that racism's basically dead. And these guys are paying the racists to keep it going so that they can stay in business. is the like it's and it's obvious this is obvious to many many many many people um except for the liars who have clearly gotten their marching orders on what to say what to make claims about this isn't a legal thing this isn't about the law part of it is related to the nspm 7 which will be talking about i'm sure in the future and next week and so on this is only about establishing a narrative this isn't going to go through. This isn't like they're not like this case will go away. Cash Patel,

obviously floundering and having a rough time. Donald Trump obviously has been like go after my enemies. Stephen Miller has obviously for a month's been like, we're going to go after all these left-wing groups and we're going to take them down. We're going to take down all these civil rights groups and so on. And this very clearly is the flimsyest version they could find and are using it to, take back a narrative and create a new one. The second this went out, you saw all these right-wing slop accounts, the Matt Van Swalls of the world, all the freaks that we all know, Becker Media, blah, blah, blah, whatever blank, blank media is out there.

They all said, so all the racism was fake. All the United the Right was fake. All these groups are fake. They've been funding these groups for years, but literally that's not at all what is true. It's not even close. It's so insulting and frustrating to see. Maybe there'll be some piece of information that comes along. There won't be.

That shed some light on it, but there won't be. No, money to pay informants. And like, you know, there's something to be said about maybe that's not what everybody wants to be paying informants, but that is not, this is not funneling money into. Right. So at best, the story is that, okay. Okay, so there's like some improper ways that they've been like moving some money around to do this. And maybe I don't know.

I don't think so. But I don't know. Maybe there's like, okay, we shouldn't have like wired this. You can see a donor being like, oh, I don't want to give money to someone going to be in the group. But that's not what anybody even is talking about. No, it's not. Or saying at all, even right away it wasn't. What they're saying is that, oh, they funded the KKK and Patriot Front and all these.

They organized Unite the right. they paid an informant. That is just what happens. I want to actually read this tweet from this account. You might not know him. He is named like Jeff Blahar. He writes for National Review. So that should tell you what you need to know.

He's a conservative writer for the National Review. He hates the left just as much as anybody. I hate the SPLC, but I think these indictments are basically bullshit. There I said it. Brave statement from a national. writer during these dark times. And someone like, oh, so you're, so you're just like, you say you're conservative, but you're not. And then they respond.

I'm a former lawyer. I view the law through my training in the law. Ask yourself, would you sue James O'Keefe for wire fraud for hiring someone to infiltrate a left wing group? Interesting point. It goes on and on and on. And I just wanted to sort of highlight that like it's obvious bullshit. And I've seen so many accounts.

I've seen based Mike Lee, the congressman and a bunch of. Congresspeople share videos of specifically Patriot Front, which is a white nationalist group that we're all familiar with, specifically Patriot Front being like, this, this was all fake, we all knew it was fake, SPLC funded them. Of all the groups that they could have cited, they specifically weren't cited at all. They're not in the indictment. Patriot Front specifically isn't, which I think is very telling that all of these people are like, oh, it's all fake. This one, this one, this one, this one. you can't even pick one that's mentioned. You're not even engaging in the words

and they know it doesn't matter. They just need to lie for a day. And then the narrative takes hold. And we're going to see fucking J.D. Vance out there being like the SPLC funded the KKK. Unite the Right. They organized it. No, no, no, no.

They paid an informant. It was organized by like fucking like Richard Spencer and Nick, like all these people that we know. No, there's been like a decade of digging into Unite the Right. We know who these people are. We know what happened. There. We know.

But Vance is going to have to like. We know they like to rewrite the history though. Yeah. Exactly. They, but they're going to need to like simplify this story. Because right now for to put it through the culture war and have it be on Fox News every day, it's a little bit complicated.

Like people were donating to this group that they thought was a civil rights group. And then they were paying money to informants to rat on the KKK, but it was somehow funding the KKK. It's like a little bit. It's kind of like Hunter Bidenish where you're like, wait, what's, what are you? What's the accusation here? Wait, are you not allowed to hire, like, pay informants to get information about these groups that you're trying to, like, take down? To say that the SPLC is funding these groups, that's clean.

That's a headline. Right, they're going to try to make it that. That's a talking point you can wrap your head around, really sink your teeth into it. And they already believed, like, well, Obama created a racial strife that wasn't there. Remember racial strife was gone. And then Obama said, uh, Trayvon Martin could have been my son. Right. He said something like that and that is apparently the thing that broke America again. But they're not like this indictment is not alleging that anyone from the SPLC was embezzling money fraudulently or using it to spend it on lavish stuff like everyone in the in the Trump administration.

And so they're going to have to prove that they like deliberately lied to donors and were trying to hide that they were trying to take down these. groups, which is their, like, explicit purpose? Their explicit purpose. And they all know this. They're, how do you, like, think that they have all these reports about all these figures and all these groups? Where do they, where is that information coming from? Good point.

A couple more things. This is just, it's such a, this is such a frustrating story because it's so obviously what it is. It's just a narrative attempt is what it is. Like, it's so blatant. But in, um, there's this. somebody noted in the indictment when they refer to something that the SPLC described, this one group as a grandchild of the KKK or something like that. And they use that phrase, but they omit what is actually originally written by the SPLC, which is a pathetic grandchild,

a pathetic attempt to reignite the KKK, which implies that they know that, well, The SPLC thinks these people and these groups are pathetic. They're trying to infiltrate them and get information to take them down. But the narrative they're trying to sell is that, oh, they want to fake the racism. They're like trying to create all this racism to like push their agenda. No, no, they think they're pathetic. So they're taking out all this language so that they can kind of present this narrative that it's all fake and all being created. And that the viewpoint of the SPLC isn't that these groups are bad, but that they need them to survive, right?

There's also, I read that tweet from the National Review writer who, again, bravely took a stance on what is obviously true. And I'm only being half sarcastic. I mean it. It's hard to say things that are true when you're on the right these days and get no pushback. Also, it's not illegal for 501c3s to pay informants. That's just not against the law to make that clear. But there's this other tweet I wanted to read from, I would say, a young Nazi account on X, Twitter.com,

who I assume Elon follows, I'm not sure, but you've seen it probably out there. It's one of those like anime avatar, Blue Check, very right-wing Nazi accounts. It's in response to somebody sharing the United the Right rally, the Jews Will Not Replace Us chant and saying, the all right funded by SPLC,

well, that's not true. So here's the tweet. The GOP continually loses because instead of coming to the correct conclusion, which is that the SPLC saw white independence advocating for their own interests and immediately tried to infiltrate and sabotage it and gain info to feed to the feds, but their takeaway is this. And I find that so funny and fascinating.

It's the same tweet as the National Review tweet saying it's bullshit, but also saying, yeah, and like they're trying to take our, we Nazis down. Like, our white people, our right to collectively gather. It's recognizing the lie. as a lie, but saying like, no, you should be saying they're trying to take us whites down and they know that we're Nazis and we don't like them doing that. Well, but they're also like the SPLC was actually secretly funding these groups, which we agree with everything they say because that tweet is basically like saying Jews will

not replace us. Yeah, no, no, he literally. So you agree with that. So what's your problem? The chant was good and the problem that the GOP needs to run with is that they saw that and they wanted to take us down. Fascinating little dichotomy going on there. It's so maddening and it's so obvious what they're doing.

And anyone who's going with the narrative of like, oh my God, they're funding all the KKK, you have been officially written off as a serious person who is an honest actor forever. I can't take it. It's absurd. Except for these two like weird Nazi guys who were like, actually, here's the real problem. I've got nothing to add. I think you really covered it. That's, yeah. Yeah. But also this isn't going to materialize in anything, I don't think. Oh, no. I don't think the case is a big show. Cash was like, what do we have for me? James Comey and Letitia James and whatever. It's going to go away.

Literally, they need, no, they needed something. They always need something, right? And it was like, well, we have this, I guess. We could do this. It's not like a lot, but we got it. Yeah. Cash is like, I need something to move people on. Exactly. And so it's not going to, like, I don't think the, it doesn't seem like the case is, like, has legs. And we'll do what they want. But it will because what they actually want is just the narrative. They want people to claim that all the things we're talking about over the past 10 years was fake and funded by the enemy to create this narrative.

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Zoo comes in. So on Tuesday night, Virginia passed its congressional redistricting measure that could give the state a 10 to 1 Democratic advantage in its house representation. It's currently 6 to 5. It is the latest domino to fall in the U.S. You Played Yourself Awards that Republicans did with this whole redistricting debacle. A judge in Virginia has already ruled the referendum unconstitutional. Virginia is appealing.

The Virginia Supreme Court is going to get involved. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Who knows how many seats are going to be able to stick in there. But basically, Democrats, if this stands, are a couple of seats ahead in the redistricting fight and people on the right. are really whining more than I thought they would, given that it's not even original thought. They clearly started this.

You did this yourself. You could pass, like, Democrats are ready to pass a national gerrymandering ban right now. They voted against it. They voted against it. You voted against it. We tried. You voted against it.

I mean, like, I don't know what to say. We're playing the game that they are playing. And the Democrats so rarely do. they so rarely take a page out of conservatives playbook and here you are yeah but i mean like i push them far enough i don't like jerrymandering i don't want us to be needing to do this but i didn't create this situation ban it or don't what are you going to do um yeah i mean and yet and like to be clear it wasn't an overwhelming but it passed you know it clearly, clearly passed,

they voted on it. And to be clear, never underestimate the modern GOP's ability to whine more than you expected them to whine. They will always be whining about everything they do to themselves.

They're going to, I mean, what are they going to do? They can't, they keep saying that it's... They're going to gut the Voting Rights Act. I mean, I think that's why they're not going to ban gerrymandering because they think the Supreme Court any day maybe by the time this comes out. Who knows? I tried to figure out when the Supreme Court's going to release the decisions.

It's very hard to do. So they're a mysterious, shadowy group. But at anyway, they're going to gut Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act, which is going to give them 10 to 20 more seats in the South. And so they're like, we're still going to win this thing, ultimately. Probably not going to help them this November. The rumor is that Sotomayor, or whoever is trying to slow play the dissent so that they're not going to have the time to redistrict all those states pre-November but you know you're playing this game you got to be prepared for the other side to fight back and you might lose and they're just always so surprised when anyone fights back yeah you're not allowed to uh that's the cry bully way i don't think that the talking point

takes that talking point. The Democrats stealing elections, blah, blah, even registers. There's too much going on. No. You know, I... Oh, yeah, and everyone is like, oh, when this goes, he's going to say that it was rigged,

and that'll be that. And he did. And that it was. He said this vote was a rigged election. He said six to five goes to 10 to 1. And yet the presidential election in November was very close to a 50-50 split. It wasn't.

You lost the state by like five and a half, But still, you're right. That's very, Democrats are going to be overrepresented in the state. Seems unfair. What do you propose to do about it? You intense schmuck. Okay, intense schmuck. Interesting.

One of the nicest insults he's ever received. I was like, fart boy. I don't know, you know. Orange meaning. Diarrhea man. Oh, that's a good one, yeah. Gross. He doesn't want a diary on America.

I don't even like saying that. Oh, yeah. And he did just play the clip. With the song. Oh, don't put no of that song. I didn't start it. He started it. I didn't just come up with diarrhea man.

He made himself the diarrhea man. Don't blame me. During the show, every 10, 15 minutes, I just check the various places to see, like, anything going on. And it's usually, like, usually the president is talking while we're recording. because he's always talking. And so I'm like, anything important here, anything important here? And someone just asked him, how much longer is this going to take? Wait, about Iran?

What do you say to the American people who question how much longer this will take? Obviously, you know, they're having higher gas prices. So basically, like, how much longer is this going to take? And then Trump apparently says, you're a disgrace. And compares it to Vietnam. He's like, Vietnam was so long. What do you say to the American people who question how much longer this will take? Obviously, you know that they are having higher class.

You hear such a disgrace. Did you know what I just said? Vietnam. How many years was Vietnam? I understand, sir. How many years was Vietnam? Well, I did my end. I took, I took the American people.

I took the country out militarily. Like, don't start saying Vietnam. Vietnam was very long. People are dumb. Is that the metric? This is, yeah. He's like, this is not as long as Vietnam. popular is one of the most unpopular wars a complete boondoggle that this country got bogged down in for a decade

this is what i need like ask him ask like the scott jennings of the world what's the date like what's the timeline where it goes from it's not that long to it's starting to get long is there a timeline is there is it maybe is it september is it maybe they floated that earlier maybe Maybe December, maybe after. It's just absurd. But yeah. No, I, although I would say I do think that Trump should keep talking about Vietnam. He should keep bringing Vietnam up.

Just keep doing that. Bring up Iraq too. Iraq, Vietnam history. And then compare it to that. Like, we were in a depression for a decade. And this is slightly better than that. Thus, I'm a good president. Remember that civil war?

Yeah, not doing that. Great point, sir. I know. people don't want to hear it but he is hemorrhaging support i just oh no he's only got like 68% support among republicans now he's down to 33 it was 30 no he's gonna drop lower than 30 i promise you that but i even think that's inflated to some degree i don't even trust that i mean maybe not we all we oh we talk all the time about it but like i just can't tell you we're gonna talk about Tucker Carlson and that'll key me up for

to expound upon this thought a little bit more. Well there's a permission structure to do this that there wasn't. Yeah, now it's time. And it is going to be very interesting. Like if he goes below 30 and he's just so

unpopular, there's just, it's lame duck stuff for two and a half years. Does he just check out? Does he just go play golf, hang out at Marlago, stop doing anything president stuff? Ballroom stuff, right? All ballroom, all arch all the time probably that's what he wants to do anyway try that and a big arch burger from McDonald's oh is there one all right it's called the big he should

call his arch the big arch he should do it first oh he needs to call it the triumph for triumphant arch so that his name is in there kind of his name is in the name of the art it's not named after him but it's the triumphal arch and they can't spell it without him all right there are some good graffiti opportunities uh if it's oh so good Which we are not recommending. No. Don't get yourself in trouble with the National Guard who are hanging around for vandalizing property. But triumph, arch, there's a lot of options you can do with the word arch.

Yeah. Like what? I'm not going to give you a little. Archery. That is not good. The economy? In this economy? What I'm saying is the economy is a lot right now.

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One more time. No one's going to, okay, gusto.com slash more news. All right. Let's watch Tucker Carlson talk to his. brother Buckley I cannot with the names

in this family Tucker and Buckley I've known this for a long time but still when I when I remember I'm like Quite a bit about His family that His brother was named

After William F. Buckley Like that is like Come on Tucker and his brother Spent like two plus hours Just talking about They don't like Trump anymore And here's all the ways

Trump has betrayed them So looking back being because I mean you and I and everyone else who supported him you wrote speeches for him I campaign for him we're implicated in this for sure yes it's not enough to say well I changed my mind or like oh this is bad I'm out it's like in very small ways but in real ways you and me and millions of people like us for the reason this is happening right now small ways small ways also you were his propaganda arm on Fox News. You, me and millions of people like us. No, no, no. You, him

and like 30 people like you, you're... Tricked the millions of people. You have millions of people watching you. You tricked... Yeah, you lied to millions of people watching you, but like that's not the same... And they were a little too easily duped. I'm not going to let them off the hook.

They voted for this guy a third time, but yes. I agree. I do think it's like a moment to wrestle with our own consciences. you know, we'll be tormented by it for a long time. I will be. And I want to say I'm sorry for misleading people. It was not intentional.

That's all I'll say. Okay. Yes, it was. Yes, it was. Yes, it was intentional. We know this. We know from text messages and communications. We know that you've known who Donald Trump is for a very long time.

We know that you got your job in general. by being a liar and misrepresenting things and just pretend fake it till you make it kind of energy. We know that you're not a trustworthy person. You intentionally did this. Now there are various reasons you're distancing yourself from him. Okay. There are political financial reasons that this is working out real well for you to be able to be critical of the president at this moment in time. But you were not misled.

Now I'll also add, I still appreciate, I appreciate people saying stuff, but let's be very, you know, like calling it, having now that they have the permission structure, yes, to come out and say these things, you, but you're not forgiven. Oh, yeah, I just wanted to note to your point about how he did it intentionally. I just wanted to note how quickly he said and it wasn't intentional, but anyway. Right. He knows he's a propagandist. He knows how to talk and communicate things and undercommunicate certain things and overcommunicate other things. He knows exactly what he's doing. It's absurd. I wanted to be a little more specific about some of the things you alluded to because I think it's important. Everybody knows how full of shit he is. There's obviously when he started his career, he was in print media. And in order to get on television, he was he lied about knowing anything about the OJ. He lied about being an expert about the OJ trial, and that's how he got on television. He didn't know anything about the case. He admits this. It's in his book.

He writes about it proudly, how he lied to get on TV, and that is how his career has continued since then. There's this one clip from years ago who's on Fox News, and he's talking about segregation, and he introses it with, we all, you know, we all agreed that segregation was the worst thing that ever happened. he makes his mouth look like he's going to say best. For listeners, yeah. He shapes his mouth to say best. It is very obvious. It's, he pauses on purpose because he's about to say best because he knows his little Nazi freak audience is watching.

Pretty much everybody agreed that segregation was the worst thing this country ever did. And he's signaling to them. He's done so many things like that exactly for years. He wasn't fooled. He wasn't misled. he misled people intentionally. All the texts you're talking about are him's calling Trump a demonic force. He hates him.

He can't wait to be done with him. And those texts are from 2020, which for listeners, you know, that's four years before the second time he tried to get this guy to be the president. It is a lie. It's if you believe him, you're a Mark, you're a Rube. He's a fascist propagandist. This is not sincere. He will either change his mind in a month when it's acceptable to change his mind or he's just setting himself up to promote J.D. Vance when he runs and like, oh, we were the reasonable ones who actually didn't. When Tucker runs.

Well, I think Tucker's going to try to go for the VP for Vance probably. I don't know if he's going to go for the big thing. But also, he might not want that job at all. He might just want to be a propagandist. Even outside of that, this is lucrative for him right now. Yes. This is the audience. And so I, again, another thing of people don't like.

But I did have a very interesting conversation with somebody that lives locally here. Great conversations with this person. And we brought up this clip. And he was saying how, you know, I cannot believe that I'm agreeing with something that Tucker Carlson said. I find him to be vile and hateful. And it's brought up all this stuff in me seeing him say that. That's apology and being misled on the one hand. I appreciate that.

But on the other hand, I know that he's trying to say that to me. He's this man is like, I know that I am the person that Tucker Carlson is trying to reach and I'm not buying it. I do not buy it. I just want to say that

because people are waking up, people are talking. And if you, they're not buying it. Some people are. There are some people that are. Well, some people are buying it. But I mean, even like on the left,

there are people who I don't think they're necessarily buying it, but I think they know it's a lucrative sort of symbiotic relationship they can form, which is disgusting. He's obviously a liar. He would love to round you all. Like, it's so absurd. I also want to point out that just from this clip,

it is unclear what specifically Trump is doing that he and Buckley are upset about. And if you go through here, I'll just like pull up the chapters. This is important. context is important. You know, some of this is very vague. Let's see. Trump's hatred of wasps. Trump's failure to stand up for Americans. He means the January Sixers.

Trump's failure to investigate Charlie Kirk's assassination. Epstein files Marjorie Taylor Green, and has this been the plan? Now, it's clear that Trump's unpopularity is what is giving Tucker the confidence to do this. But the only thing that he's upset about that we are also upset about is the war. Like, that's it. That's it. A lot of the stuff they mention is stuff that was true well before he supported them in the 2024 election. Tucker's mad about the COVID vaccine.

He believes it's killed people and made women infertile. Arrest Fauci. Yeah, Buckley is upset that Trump betrayed and abandoned the January Sixers. And even Tucker's like, but he part of them. And Buckley's like, that's the first thing he ever. Jonathan? You know, there's many more better, Tucker's.

But, like, Buckley's like, but that's the first thing he ever did for them. He abandoned them in the immediate aftermath and never talked about them and never helped them out. They say he didn't show

enough sympathy after Charlie Kirk's death. First of all, if you're going to Tucker or if you're going to Trump for sympathy, the man is not capable. We all know this.

He did his best, like, in terms of that. And Buckley thinks it's like a huge conspiracy. we don't actually know what happened to Charlie Kirk. All this. And maybe, so the, the war and maybe the Epstein files.

Yeah. Also, why is. Also, the money. The money, the money. Him having a popular podcast and being outside the system now because Donald Trump is no longer outside the system. Yeah. That's why I'm, I'm just curious why Buckley would care about,

uh, Trump abandoning like a bunch of SPLC employees. Yeah. weird, huh? Like, what's his issue with that? That was funny. Well, I want to just say this because, yes, Jonathan, thank you for sharing that part, because that's the other part of this conversation. And I believe I said it on this show at some point.

There is a benefit to clips in our clip system that we all have where we're getting stuff, but it's also, you know, injected into our veins all the time and seeing what the clowns are saying. But it's also so easily. misrepresented. You can clip something and people on the left can say, look at Tucker, look at Tucker, but he's on our side. We agree with him. And that starts to seep in. And most people don't have time to listen to the whole podcast. But if you do, you realize, oh, treatment of January Sixers. What about the treatment of immigrants? What about the treatment, like calling everybody a terrorist? and I mean

They like that stuff That does not come up Right that's my point And and But if you were to just knee jerk react to this You would think Right he's mad It's similar with like Marginela Green

We're like yeah I do think there's Epstein stuff there that really upset her In terms of like Trump's reaction And I do think she probably is like Well why are we a war with Iran But generally She and they are also mad because he's not doing enough of the bad shit that they wanted him to do.

Like, they're like, you're not, you're not our guy as much as we want you to be. So it's like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry for saying you should vote for Trump. He's not going after immigrants enough or whatever. Not very compelling in terms of a coalition of the left and the right. Also, I even question, like, there's just like, well, why are you, like, don't reject this guy. Like, this is like the anti-war coalition we need. First of all, no. he's a like again he is a fascist propagandist this entire career don't be a sucker okay stop it please

but also what's it gonna do like i i i wish there was more like anti-war like protests going on and things like that but like this idea that like finally we have somebody like Tucker we can like really like get this movement going Trump doesn't want to be in the war he's just stuck in the stupid fucking thing that he did he like there's like what like Tucker Carlson being like we don't like it isn't going to get Trump to handle this better. No, but, but, and this is the amount of credit that I will give, there are people that now, we talk to reference permission structure. Now Tucker is giving a percentage of people the permission to start criticizing this administration.

And that, I think, is valuable and fine. the more people that are woken up, the better. It doesn't solve our political problems long term. But in terms of this moment, the less support that man has, the better. So I will acknowledge that I think that is a positive. And I appreciate that that exists. But that's where it ends. But even then he didn't start it.

He didn't give people permission to question. No, I don't care about that. But I'm just saying that like the permission was already there because people were already talking about it. He was given permission by them to start saying it too. I'm just saying that the trickle down effect, people watching it, and now people are like, yeah, you know, I just, I think that's a positive, but not if you think that he's a good guy now. Yeah. It's also might just be indicative that they're aware of something worse that's going to happen or come out. I don't, we're not going to get into speculation, but apparently, allegedly,

reportedly, a couple of days after Melania for no reason went out to the world and said, I have nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. Apparently, Galane Maxwell, two days later, sent the DOJ some like USB drive. Don't know what that's about. And now certain members of the House Intelligence Committee apparently or oversight, I don't know which committee. I should. didn't prepare to talk about this but apparently they are discussing and open to pardoning her in exchange

for her collaboration in the Epstein Files Epstein investigation and it's like she's a monster what are you talking about unless she unless that USB drive says yeah the president's a pedophile

obviously you fucking morons here then no she's a monstrous person also even then she should not be in minimum security prison. Like, exactly. I mean, yeah, I'm just fine with letting the awful people fight.

I'm not going to get, I can't give Tucker credit for anything. Like, he's such scum. Also, we're not going to play it. There's a segment of this. And by the way, I do not recommend that anyone watch the full two hour and 17 minute podcast episode of Tucker Carlson talking with his insufferable partner.

Tucker and Buckley talking about stuff. Yeah. Did they call him tuck and Buck? They did. Of course they did. You must have. Early on, like, when they're, like, before they get to all the other stuff they're upset about, they're talking about Trump's hatred of wasps.

And Carlson's like, oh, yeah, he's told me many times. Trump hates, he hates wasps. And it's a whole thing about how he never felt like accepted by, he's basically calling Trump new money, unlike him. Yeah, Swanson boys. Oh, my gosh. And whose father was the ambassador to the Seychelles. whatever. Like he,

no, he's like, he never felt like accepted. He never felt like accepted by this country club crowd and is trying to get back at them, i.e. like, white people. Like, it's confounding.

And it's all mixed up in this soup of him being an open white nationalist, but also trying to be vague enough to have a career. It's, it's full of shit. He's a liar. He's trying to dupe everybody.

He will change his mind. Drop of a hat. What a weird, like, grievance to invent. to try to like have some sort of position that makes sense. Yeah, one last thing about Tucker, two last things. One, again, fuck that guy. Don't be a sucker.

Come on, folks. It's been 10 years. You know. We know. Come on. Number two, recently Russell Brand has come under fire for his rapes that he's done for against two young girls, 16-year-old, and he was on a fellow, another rat leaving the ship.

Megan Kelly recently talking about it. And it's also, so he's starting his court. Of course, he's carrying his Bible with him. He also has a book coming out soon or now. It's called How to Become a Christian in Seven Days, which is amazing, hilarious. I think probably day one is get accused of sexual assault by many, many women. and day two is I guess like hide away for a while day three is like think about like how what

what audience will accept me even if I do these things and so on and so forth so that's going on but I think it's important to note that the publisher of this book is Tucker Carlson Books Surprise not surprising at all

that's an important point and funny I did want to mention if this came up The Russell brand. We're not going to talk about this more than this sentence I'm about to say. Disgusting human. And he's just openly talking about like, yeah, I did. I slept with a 16 year old when I was 30. And yeah, there's a power problem there.

But in the UK, I guess the age of consent is 16. Hey, UK, that's fucked. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Wow. That's it. End of sentence. Follow up sentence.

It makes sense and is appropriate that he was on Megan Kelly specifically to talk about the 16 year old because about two weeks ago she was like, yeah, so maybe Epstein liked 16 year olds or something. Like that's not like. That was a couple months ago. A couple months ago. So she's already been on the 16's fine beat. So that was a safe space. We're unstuck in time a la Slaughterhouse Five. So everywhere we go, we're just like, where is this?

Where could it be? who knows. Everything everywhere all at once. Or all of the movie Premonition with Sandra Bullock if you prefer or don't know what day of the week it is.

Everything everywhere all at once. Oh, go watch premonition. Yeah? It's a baffling one. Jonathan, you got one more thing. I'll play us out with this

and I don't want you to see this quote if you can avoid it. All right. This is a little bit tough to hear. This is like at the end of a Trump appearance right before they cut the feed, see if you can hear what he says.

Do you hear that? Let's try it one more time. Water? I can use a shit. I can use a shit. Right now? Yep. That's not.

I want to. That's okay. Where was this from? He was doing one of his Oval Office appearances And I guess one of the guys Who gets all the streams Like right before they cut the feed They have this thing up

And it's awesome Wondering off saying I could use it You know He's an LPJ mode He's like yeah you should schedule a meeting For your big shit You know I've seen

Various times Clips of him in the Oval Office And people standing behind him making the most disgusted looking faces. You know, have you seen those? Have you seen those clips? I never give him too much credit, but I think that it might be true,

that the guy is just farting up a storm and he needs to get out of that chair and go. Any of us might be incontinent at one point, right? But he's the president, and they can't say anything or do anything. Yes, sir, I bet you could. About it. Yes, sir, absolutely.

I'm in full agreement. If you're the president, Bring me the poison for my shit You gotta have a structure You gotta have like an 8 a.m. to 10 a.m. window And then you're out. Absolutely. No schedule anything. Then you do your day.

Yeah. Then you be the president. Can't be four or five in the afternoon. There's no, he's off of a schedule. Old man's off the schedule. He doesn't, his body's out of whack. He doesn't sleep. His body doesn't know what time it is.

Those camera turns on. He's got up. He's got up to. It's done. Not good. It is done. We're done here. We're done here, folks.

He's over. He is going to just be like watching TV, golfing. Finally, his dream life. And then we'll try to figure out who the president is in the meantime. Whoever can get the power that day. Yeah. We put just, yeah, it's lock Rubio and Vance in a room and see who comes out. What a disgusting and delightful way to end the show.

Thank you very much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. This is why I scan the feeds for breaking news that might be happening. Folks, that's it for us today this week. But again, remember next week, live stream. Party time. Excellent.

Pacific standard time. And if you miss it, the audio is going to be on the podcast feed the next day, like a podcast. You can watch it afterwards. You want to be there live. It's fun live. I would love to see you live. Sure. We're getting better at it.

I really like all the comments and having a chance to like interact with people. Maybe one of us will be like, oh, I can use a shit right now. And we want, it's live. That's how we'll let. Hop on Polly Market. Bet whether or not one of us will say we need to take a shit on a live stream. I mean, you never know. Please don't do that.

We have thought that it's over or not known it started. And we're saying all manner of things like, how are you? And I need more coffee. and things that out of hold those SOBs that out of those little SOBs everyone who listens to us as an

SOB all the people listening are SOBs All right that's it we're done I think we did it oh my headphones just turned off

well we love you very much that's our much shut up my headphones turned off