Some More News - Even More News: Supreme Court Issues Nationwide Injunction On Decency, Butterflies, Rainbows, Humanity

Episode Date: July 2, 2025

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Hi, I'm Cody. I'm so sorry about your sunburn. Don't go outside. That's what you do. I'll follow your advice. There you go. And Jonathan is also here. Hi.

How's your sun exposure? Well, I've been told many times because of my complexion and genetics that I have to wear sunscreen and a hat every time I go outside. I don't always do that, but ... Well, I just didn't realize it also meant my back. Yeah, counts as skin. Let's do a show. So while we're recording this, the Senate is doing the Voterama on the big beautiful bill. I'm sorry to keep calling it that and that's the shortened version. What are we supposed to call it, Oobabuff?

It's quite frustrating that they're making us say that. We can call it something else. I mean, the Trump bill makes sense. That is accurate and it doesn't let them get away with it. There's so many bad things about it. The 12 million people not getting Medicaid, the increasing ICE funding by fivefold more. That's terrible.

That's too much money. What are they gonna call the next bill? Well, this is the one. I know it's probably the one. But like if they ever like, what, there's only one beautiful bill, all the other ones suck shit HR 371 we are dissolved big beautiful bill act to to big big bit to the full big to the

full bill no more to big to beautiful no more bills only decrees the the big beautiful bill fascist drift there you go okay okay so they've got they've got options they'll figure it out okay we're gonna talk about that I'm gonna keep my eye on what voter Rama things are being voted up or down I think this thing is gonna pass it's bad let's talk about what the Supreme Court did late last week did they accept b? Oh, I'm sure they did separately. That wasn't even part of their story. Is it a day of the week, Cody?

Is it a day of the week? They kind of dumped all this stuff on the last day of the session. And the big one was that they ruled or they voted to limit the ability of federal judges to issue nationwide injunctions or universal injunctions. And they did this on the case about Trump's executive order, about birthright citizenship. So as we have to like clarify right at the beginning, the Supreme Court didn't say that

birthright citizenship doesn't exist anymore. However, they did say that in order to not have the unconstitutional executive order apply to you, individual groups or classes have to sue. So that is to say the judge that said this is unconstitutional, it only applies to the people who sued to make sure that happened. And as we know, newborns whose parents weren't born in this country are really great at joining class action lawsuits. I mean, we teach them young.

And this is good. The GOP famously loves class action lawsuits. They think they're good. They like class action. They like lawyers who, generally they like lawyers they like when they get together and people get together to do these class action lawsuits. For sure. Elon Musk has several tweets about how like the Democrats are the party of class action

lawyers and they're the enemy. Like this has the effect that they don't like and will not want and will try to make harder for people anyway. I do think this will gum up our already gummy judicial system. It is scary. I understand the argument. I see the argument that executive orders have become a more prominent feature become a more prominent feature in our system over the last 20 years with more recent administrations, hard to get things done with Congress being as split as they are. But that being said, the ability to issue an injunction while we figure out the legality of things allows for people to not have their lives totally upended over something illegal, which is what's happening now. This is madness. Um,

right. Like both parties to be fair and balanced. Both parties have expressed some disdain for nationwide injunctions. Obviously the GOP loved them when Biden was in office and he wanted to do student debt relief. But it's very, of course, obvious and telling that the Supreme Court waited until now to make a ruling saying the nationwide injunctions are a no-go. And not always, only if there is a more narrow way you can give relief just to the people who sued, then you should. And if that's not the case, then you can still do a nationwide injunction. And I would argue that the birthright

citizenship executive order is very much like that because something that is blatantly unconstitutional will apply to everyone. It actually applies to all of us because how are any of us citizens other than the fact that we were born here? And that's why this one is specifically so confusing for me. I understand that there is a number of cases right now. Nationwide injunctions that have been holding and this is kind of a test case, I saw somebody discussing whether or not this was a calculated move on their part to bring

this specific case before the Supreme Court and be able to bring up the issue of halting nationwide injunctions. But this one specifically feels worthy of a nationwide injunction. What do we have? Do we have, after this piecemeal, this state, it's okay if you're born here, you're a citizen, this state, you're not? What does this even mean? This is like the, if there was one situation where that should apply, it's this one. Yeah. Leah Littman brought this up a month or so ago on the show that like, because birthright

citizenship is in the constitution, no judge is going to subscribe to the Stephen Miller theory, we hope. A bunch of class actions are going to go through and every district is going to eventually say no, you get relief from this. And I think that is what the Supreme Court is hoping that they can give Trump this win. But the unconstitutional stuff is still not gonna go through, but of course, we don't know that. It does leave open the question that birthright citizenship,

despite it being enshrined in the 14th Amendment, could just not apply because Trump says so. Do we think that that's likely? I mean, in this case, and again, I'm going with some of the optimist analysts that I read. They're saying that if birthright citizenship itself made its way to the Supreme Court, they would say it's in the Constitution,

can't do anything about it. I mean, after reading some of their rulings the last few days, I'm not positive about that. And he can still say, he could say, no more criticizing Trump on a podcast, and then we immediately have to join the suit with Majority Report and everyone else, and Rachel Maddow to say like, well, no,

that's a blatant violation of the First Amendment, but it holds until we do that. It's absurd. That's what's so terrifying. And to your point, yeah, that was a leading question of do we think that this would actually happen? You asked me a month ago, I would have had a different answer.

I would have been more confident in my answer, but as of right now, I feel like anything could happen. And I don't mean to be fear mongering or, but just this- I don't think it's unreasonable to think that they. Why would you make that executive order if that wasn't your goal that you're pushing for? You know, there's, there's no world where they're not trying to do all the things that

we're worried that they're trying to do. Like they're, they telegraph it. I mean, there's, I guess there is a world where like reality is different, but like they talk about all the time. We know who he is. We know what the entire movement is about. We know what Stephen Miller wants to do. Like we know what this Supreme Court is like allowing them to do already.

I don't I just I wonder what I don't think it's fear mongering of you to like be like, yeah, they like this is possible. You know, like I, I would rather overstate dangers than not think they're going to happen. I feel it. I know people at home feel it. Existential terror all the time. Fear. So I, I don't love to pile on to that, but we have to be aware of the reality and the possibility. Yeah. And be like realistic and honest and stuff. And like, you know, don't go lay in the sun.

Don't freak out. Don't lay in the sun. But like, are you telling me not to go touch grass, Cody? I didn't say don't touch grass. I said don't lay in the sun. How am I supposed to touch grass without exposing my back to the sun? God damn it. Put on a jacket, put on a hat, put on a mask and like get your like fingerless gloves and the tips of the fingers can touch the grass. And those will get burnt? Not if you do it quick enough.

Okay, I'm sorry. I hate this because every time one of these rulings comes out, the next thing is, and in a blistering descent, Sonia Sotomayor writes, and we're supposed to be like, yeah, you get there, you know? You say the thing that won't matter. But both Sonia Sotomayor and Katanji Brown Jackson wrote different things to try to, I think, appeal to the better nature of the other justices, which is not going to happen. Or to the other side in general.

So Sotomayor says, No right is safe in the new legal regime the court creates. Today the threat is to birthright citizenship tomorrow a different administration may try to Seize firearms from law-abiding citizens or prevent people of certain faiths from gathering to worship now look One the Democrats would never Do the gun thing and you they would stop it immediately I think we all know very well that this stuff will not apply to anything that a Democrat in office would attempt to do. Obviously.

Well, especially with such a fuzzy, just the fact that certain times a nationwide injunction will stand and other times it's not appropriate and you have to whatever individual lawsuits. Of course, something like a gun ban taking away people's guns would not stand. This would be considered. Nor should it. It is nor should it. Just like with citizenship, it shouldn't. Obviously, that ain't happening. And we all know the Democratic Party and we all know how these things go. But you want to give an example that is counter to what they want. You want to point out that, well, guess what?

If you have a different president in a couple of years, then the shoe's on the other foot and so on and so forth. But obviously, come on. I think it's a perfectly appropriate example to make your point. But the reality of this situation, especially with the Supreme Court makeup being what it is. Well, so what this is referring to, I think, is really when... So after Trump dies somehow, and then JD Vance becomes the president, and then they change the constitution

so that you can become the president if you weren't born in America, so that Elon Musk can be the vice president, and then Elon is the president, and then we get President Mamdani, and then he's gonna take all your guns. And then this is gonna be a problem. That's the idea, is that eventually

we get President mom Donnie and Five specific people all die within a span of six months and you know Who's the leftiest lawyer ever who would get put on the Supreme Court? I don't know Peter for five four Peter Yeah, Peter gets on Peter and Rhiannon get on the Supreme Court, and then you guys are toast Oh you all of the bad the things that you think are bad happened that would be bad I just don't think it's a compelling argument because everyone on the other side is like well. That's not happening You're also too chicken shit to do it if

It did so so maybe not blistering, but maybe not blistering like Katie's back right all right In a blistering back Katie Stolls back said No, I do think like the point the thing that's a good point is that These people are acting as if they will be in power forever and I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. The people who are putting through this bill right now are acting as if sending rural America into economic ruin won't hurt them because they're like, listen, Alabama has been voting for us for decades and we keep hurting them. Like we keep doing things that are bad for them and they keep voting for us for decades, and we keep hurting them. Like, we keep doing things that are bad for them,

and they keep voting for us. They like the abuse. Mm-hmm. Right, but I genuinely think that ripping 12 million people off their health care and having rural hospitals closed all over the place, people will not... It won't reflect kindly on the party in power.

What's happening is going to be wildly unpopular and people are about to see just how devastating this bill is for all Americans. It doesn't matter your party affiliation, how you vote. This will have an effect on your life as opposed to a lot of times. It feels so removed and maybe it doesn't have a direct impact on your daily life, but this will. Just the gutting of Medicaid alone, despite the rationale that it's for immigrants, no, this will devastate communities. Hospitals on the brink of closure are going to close. My community, it's bad health care.

People complain about it. Well, buckle up, baby. It's about to get a whole lot worse. So yeah, This is this is going to be deeply unpopular. This is a consolidation of power while they can Yeah, let's let's um discuss what's going on with the bill that uh, they're voting on right now as we speak Yeah, so uh the there was the key vote to pass it on to the debate and Voterama analysis portion Like there's several like key votes this moved into the next phase because of a 51 49 vote the only Republicans to vote no or Rand Paul and Tom Tillis who then immediately announced he was not going to seek reelection

Just a quick note on that good for him one way, bad for him in another way. Why do you have to wait until you're not going to be in office anymore to do anything that you actually believe in? It's so frustrating to see. Just like, oh, I'm done. This guy's a fascist. I hate this. Like, just great job, bad job all around. Right. He's going to be a guy for the next He was going to step down immediately by the way he wanted to do this vote and then be done and they convinced him We can keep you from being killed by one of the president's supporters basically for the next year and a half I'm gonna give him a nice security detail

giving him a nice security detail baked into this bill? Honestly, going against Trump in North Carolina is not exactly the scariest proposition. Like, North Carolina is going to be heavily impacted by this bill. And this Republican senator was like, I don't want to do that, miraculously. Josh Hawley said he didn't want to do it and then he did Josh Hawley was like well, I think I

Really? I put up a fight, but I'm gonna vote yes to cut your health care But I think we need to do some soul-searching about my decision to cut your health care exactly as a mighty man of valor I fought really hard with myself to not do this The master said we have to do it. We have to do it. It's hard with myself to not do this but the master said we have to do it we have to do it it's confounding the mighty master of valor uh trumps the mighty man of valor the master by the way who said repeatedly that he wouldn't cut medicaid his argument must be that this is all fraud the 12 million people being thrown off medicaid are all fraudsters they found it they found them finally do you i mean, I'm serious.

ABC News put together a whole thing about the number of times he said after becoming president that Medicaid won't be touched. He said it on Hannity. He said it in speeches. He said it all over the place. They're looking at fraud, waste, and abuse. And nobody minds that. But they're not cutting Medicaid.

I've said it so many times. You shouldn't be asking me that question. It's infuriating and obvious. It's the Project 20... I've never even heard of Project 2025. Just like every step of the way. It's the Rogan clip from the other week of like, Wow, he just said like they were gonna... I thought he said they were gonna go after criminals first. Just like don't believe the things he says. They don't give a shit about how this is polling or how average Americans, whether or not they're waking up to the lies or not, like obviously this is what they campaigned

on was different from what they're doing. And at this point, there's so much information. It's not them, it's the senators and the representatives who are allowing this that are just willingly gleefully going along. But the average American probably still doesn't fully understand the reality of how this impacts them, you know, nor will they until after it's in effect in two years, you know, when you start to see all the fallout. Because right now, even once this passes, everyone's going to be angry, right? But then it takes a while for things to be into play.

And so there's some time between when it passes and the reality. It's our job to keep reminding people of when it started and why this, but it's gonna take time for us because of right now it's like, everyone's always mad all the time. We'll see what it actually looks like. Exactly. It's gonna look bad.

Yeah, and during that period of time, it's that amount of time where it's like, well, I didn't feel it immediately, so I'm not going to, I think it didn't actually happen. And you're just like, you're overreacting, all that kind of stuff. And then when you feel the effect, then they've exactly forgotten. But again, I do think that that is our job between now and midterms. You know, this is happening now. So there is some time for us to use this as ammunition for midterm campaigns and whatnot. Here's a slightly positive spin. I want you to open this link I just sent.

It's a graph in the New York Times and they are trying to visualize how much things in this bill are going to cost and then what is going to be saved. You can see the tax cut extensions are like 4.7 trillion in this bill are going to cost, and then what is going to be saved. You can see the tax cut extensions are like 4.7 trillion in this thing. Like far and away just overshadows everything. Even what they're saving by throwing all these people off Medicaid is only $1 trillion.

It's like a drop in the bucket. So when you look at this visually, you can see how we're still adding 3 trillion to the debt. So the difference between cutting everyone from their healthcare and not doing that, like what's the difference between three trillion added to the debt and four trillion? You know, I know it's a trillion dollars, it's a lot of money. But clearly it doesn't matter. Clearly a trillion is like nothing, so like they don't care.

Well I do think it matters to people. I think that there are a lot of voters, I think, I think is the operative word based on, a lot of people vote Republican, voted for Donald Trump because they don't want the deficit exploding. They don't want to add trillions of dollars. But they're doing that. But it's what's happening.

And I don't think that people like it. Right, but just like that point of like that one trillion is like You're already adding to the you're already adding astronomical amounts to the deficit So like you're just you're choosing in vote for Donald Trump for trillion. Oh, I Choosing to fear monger about something that you clearly don't care about because you're adding to it in order to hurt people That that that trillion dollars is like, well, we gotta hurt people a little bit. And yet, but I guess my point, yes, all of that,

and I do think that there's a sizable, not all, Maga, but I think there's a sizable portion of people that are not happy about adding any amount. I mean, I'm just, I'm not like. I will see. I mean, I believe that there are people who say that, but I don't believe that those people care if Donald Trump does it.

Like, I don't think there's gonna be people like, oh, Donald Trump raised it. Like, they don't care. They didn't care when Bush and Reagan did it either. They don't care. It's a cudgel used when Democrats are in power to stop spending on things that are important that people need, and they just ignore it whenever they're in power because they want to get

the tax cuts and do all these sort of things. Fair enough. I'm not saying that it's the hugest difference in the world that makes people completely abandon ship. I've just heard enough people saying like, honestly, I'm almost done with him and that bill, he's not even doing what he said, X, Y, Z, the deficit. So I'm just, I'm broadly quoting

a few different conversations I've had. And again, that changes every fucking day. And ask me again in six months if that's what they think. Cause you know who changes their mind every day? Donald Trump, the guy who's their North Star. Yeah, the tariffs are gonna be back on in like a week and a half. Finally, good, okay.

I've been wanting that because whatever he said. He's been sending letters to other countries apparently. I mean, this like, I mean, just the visual of, you didn't need to do this. Like someone could go to Trump and be like, you know, we're doing all this shit anyway. We're adding all this stuff to the deficit anyway. Let's not like let people hate you. Right?

Like that's what I would tell Trump if I was one of his stupid evil advisors. This bill also basically ends the US wind and solar industry. Like it says if you're going to build a new wind or solar farm after 2027, I think it is that you can't use any parts from the supply chain from China, which is basically impossible. And then if you do use those parts, you have to pay a penalty that's so high such that you like you are not going to be able and then and Trump is boasting about this. He's like, I don't like it's ugly. I don't like this wind and solar stuff everywhere We're doing coal. That's he's such a fucking piece of shit

The I mean he's all we've discussed this since I think 2015 He's always had a vendetta against wind Turbines simply because they ruined the view at one of one of his golf courses. He's been railing about them for 10 years because they ruined the view at one of his golf courses. That is why he's doing all of this also because it aligns ideologically with the parties in charge of all the stuff.

But so much of it is just this weird vendetta he has against like what he calls windmills. It's not news to me how much energy AI consumes, but reading just a little bit more about it and starting to understand and wrap my mind around everything a bit more and the implications of it. And just what are we doing? What are we doing? Did you? Coal's not ugly, you can't see it, right? Coal's not ugly. You can't see it as much. Let's burn, let's just trash this place.

To look at like some wind turbines and look at like a coal plant and be like, ugly. This one's ugly. Like, what a alien man. Whatever, what were you gonna say, Jonathan? Well, there is no coal plant by his golf course. Exactly. I mean, honestly, that's what you gotta do.

We gotta get somebody, get a Wilkes brother or whomever, just build a plant by one of Trump's golf courses. Build one of the like, Geo group, migrant concentration camps by his. Build a concentration camp and a coal plant right by Mar-a-Lago or like one of his just any of his courses And then we'll we'll be fine the country do a zone of interest to Trump, and he'll be like this is very ugly I don't want to do a zone of interest by my I don't I didn't care for this that doesn't interest me Yeah

God that's the press no I your AI thing. Sorry Katie reminded me of I googled 28 years later running time So I wanted to see how long the movie was and that in it the AI overview Which I don't know if you can turn this off. I haven't been able to it said 28 years after June 28th 2025 would be June 28th 2053. Thanks. Thanks and so long Amazon rainforest.

Yeah, so this convoluted me throwing that out there, the AI thing and the energy, but it's something I've been thinking about a lot for this exact thing. I can't turn it off. It's everywhere. No matter what I'm doing. And just the amount of energy that AI uses versus a basic feed, Google search,

is astronomically different. And when we're having all these conversations that we're just saying like, no more solar or wind, you know, cutting all green energy subsidies. I'm like the fuck Where are we getting our energy? Where are the water that's a met used? Well we get both of those from the blood of the poor Katie We simply take the blood we filter out their blood. Okay. I guess that's why they want to make more poor. I mean it's

It's a simple process Yeah, it's a simple process. Yeah, that's pretty disgusting and absurd. Also, aside from all this energy, all this stuff, you're doing this, you're doing this, you're doing this. And to your point, people hate it. It's annoying to most people, and it's not monetizable, so it's not making any money. They're just forcing it down our throats.

It's got a burst at some point, right? This has to. I don't know. We're waiting. We're waiting for that burst. I mean, is there we got to get Nvidia into some other business. So so we all like so the market doesn't completely collapse and wipe everyone out. Because like this sludge that we all hate is also propping up the S&P 500. Yeah. And yet it had its like biggest day or something today.

Yeah, no, it's it's it completely came back, which is why I think it convinced Trump that the tariffs are fine and let's do it again. Let's go. Yeah, everything's fake. We're wrapping this up now because we gotta get this episode out before tomorrow morning. We'll be back later this week. We have more news to discuss.

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