Some More News - Even More News: Tariffs On, Tariffs Off w/ Francesca Fiorentini

Episode Date: March 7, 2025

Hi. Francesca Fiorentini joined Katy, Cody, and Jonathan to discuss Trump's will-he-won't-he tariffs, the real reason he might be doing them, the lies in his address to Congress, "lavish" fish monitoring, and Cody's feet. Get the world's news at https://ground.news/SMN to compare coverage and see through biased coverage. Subscribe for 40% off unlimited access through our link. PATREON: https://patreon.com/somemorenews MERCH: https://shop.somemorenews.com Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with @shop.mando and get $5 off your Starter Pack (that’s over 40% off) with promo code Morenews at https://shopmando.com! Over 2 Million Butts Love TUSHY. Get 10% off TUSHY with the code SMN at https://hellotushy.com/SMN

Hi, hello and welcome back to Even More News, the first and only news podcast. How fun. My name is Katie Stoll. Hi Katie Stoll. What's my name? It's Cody. I was going to try to come up with a bit, but I couldn't.

Oh, thank God. Okay, good. What's my motherfucking name? I'm sorry. I just had to do that. You know what? Never apologize. Perfect time for you to speak

because I was just about to introduce you. You guys, what a treat. We're very lucky to have today's guest, comedian, journalist, host of the Bituation Room podcast, and host of America Unhinged on Zateo News. That's right, it's Francesca Fiorentini. Hi, I forgot how much of this is video and how much of this is audio.

I believe it all video, right? So I should be making deep eye contact with the camera. It's so hard to do. Be very animated, a lot of motion. I would be remiss if I didn't mention that Jonathan is also here. Hi, I'm looking at the camera, so I can't see you at all. I mean, it does feel like you're making eye contact with me,

and I appreciate it. Oh, good. OK, I'll do this the whole time. To me, it looks like you're looking at a camera. All right, we got some holidays. Oh, good. Are they good? This is OK. This is good. Oh, OK. Yeah, I like this one.

Friday, March 7th. You better. Yeah. People will be mad at me if I don't like this one. National Employee Appreciation Day. I appreciate Jonathan, I appreciate you. Today. Thanks. Today. Today I do. For the day. Well, tomorrow. We appreciate you.. Thanks. Today. Today I do. For the day.

Well, tomorrow. We appreciate you. Well, OK. Well then, thanks a lot, Jonathan. Does this still exist? I thought we were, we got rid of woke. So why would we? We're post-employee.

Celebrate. Well, we're firing all of them. We fire them, and we certainly don't appreciate them. Just one last, one last appreciation day before it's abolished. This does say, while showing your employees how much you appreciate them, ask them how they like to be thanked.

Jonathan. Big severance vibes right now, big severance. Oh geez, yeah, no, I'd like to be severed. So I can just experience this and then in the rest of my life, I don't have to think about the news. I can just pretend I live in a different world. But like being severed and like the first thing

your little fresh little baby mind experiences is just like the news. And then you just watch the news all the time. That's all you know. That would be bad for that person. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Your Innie would be really, your Innie would die in short order.

Like if you, we couldn't have any balance, like if I couldn't just like go hug my cat after this podcast, not this podcast, but every other news podcast. But sure. There are others. There are others? Like how long would you last if you could only,

I mean that's kind of what I'm doing as a life choice is to see how long I can last without going insane or. Yeah, anyway. But it'd be all that you know though too. It'd be all that you know. So it'd be like, oh, this is just normal. Yeah. So you wouldn't even know that there's anything

to compare it to. I feel like y'all aren't paying close enough attention to Severance, they're doing so well down there, the innies. I mean. We got news to get to, but real quick, Francesca, you are doing standup this month. Have you been, is this your first time doing standup? This is my first time and I'd really appreciate

everyone could come out and support me at the Sacramento Punchline on Sunday, March 16th. Me and my husband, Matt Lieb of Bad Hesbara podcast and Good Mythical Morning will be there. So come check us out. And also if you're in San Francisco in May, May 7th will be at Cobbs Comedy. So come one, come all.

If I'm not back on the show by May, in which case I will remind you. Let's bring that in to get you on the show around May. But also maybe I'll come check you out. I feel like we should talk about the news. I feel like we should talk about the news. I feel like we should talk about the news. Positive reframe, everyone looks so glum. No, it's good.

What happened that was good? John, what happened that was good? I mean, as of now, it'll change three times before this comes out. As of now, the tariffs have been paused, most of them again. So they worked. Well, depending on what you think they were for, which we can talk about. Show, for sure.

We're unsure. So they worked. He has paused the 25% tariffs on most products from Canada and Mexico a few days after they went into effect. This is in addition to the one month reprieve he gave to US automakers a couple days after they went into effect. This is in addition to the one month reprieve he gave to US automakers a couple days ago. Because they worked. This back and forth has sent the stock market

into a tailspin as no one knows if they're going to be paying $5,000 more for a car or. $20,000 more for a car. Yeah, or several dollars more for, you know, crops, produce, gasoline, et cetera. The things that the people who are putting these tariffs in place don't think about, the things that don't affect them in their everyday lives,

so they don't think it's gonna be a big deal, and they're like, well, you just, you can handle it. You can handle it, because I'm gonna be able to handle it. You know what it is, it's the- I'm a billionaire, so clearly it's gonna be fine. You know what it is, it's the word, Cody. Like tariff sounds so like that's up there. The tariff, big tariff man, strong diplomatic word. And I think that's why Trump likes it. Tariff, ooh, old timey government.

And it's like, no, it actually just means every bunch of prices on goods are going to go up. All consumer spending spending what you've Orchestrated the American economy to thrive around is going to go up and everything is going to be expensive I like to think though that the tariffs were dropped once more because Justin Trudeau had to hand over his personal fentanyl stash Which was me? Huge oh my god Concession Trump got here. Bigger than that cop who smoked all that fentanyl. Was there a cop who smoked a fentanyl?

Yeah, it was a story about like, oh yeah, a cop, the headline was like, oh this cop overdosed on fentanyl and this after seizing it, and like you read the articles, no, he smoked fentanyl. Well he said it helped him with the paperwork. It helped him focus. It helped him focus on the paperwork. I mean, this is fucking wild. See, that's what, like it should be illegal Well, he was said it helped him with the paperwork

Like it should be illegal in all these other cases except when a cop could use it to fill out some paperwork then it's fine Well when you need to like pull an all-nighter you need it Well, this is really what RFK jr. Will be replacing like people's adderall with well We just have so much fentanyl so why not we have so much of it Sorry, I didn't need to mean to derail us about the cop that OD'd on fentanyl because he needed to focus on paperwork. No, that's actually hilarious. Katie's been trying to get something out, though. Here's the thing. It's so difficult to cover this administration.

We're barely into it. Things change wildly overnight. We have a whole section talking about tariffs that I think is interesting, like the car thing, how difficult it actually is for automobile manufacturers to all of a sudden domestically make everything needed to produce your cars. That's part of the reason why that was going to be put on pause for a month, as if a month is enough time

to all of a sudden introduce a whole new production line. They don't like the ability. But also they don't know what's going to happen. Should we? Should we not? It's chaos. But ultimately I don't know if we need to get into it because the motherfucker paused them. I mean I think we should like as much as we can dispel the myth that like tariffs are somehow you know distant or you know distant from your actual everyday existence is better. Like the tariffs mean it's a regressive tax.

It's just a tax. Tariff means a tax, but on us. And unless you think that corporations are going to be like, no, no, no, we must shield our beautiful consumers who are just brand loyalists. They must be rewarded. We'll cover the costs of said tariffs, which is like you gotta have a baby brain and a lot of people do Then yes, we should cover them and it is very like yes It feels pie in the sky and distant from everyday life

But then you see like, you know liquor distributors pouring not pouring out But taking off like Kentucky bourbon from the shelves and all this bullet rye and you're like, oh my god And you know having Ontario be the one of the What is it the Ontario liquor board or something being one of the biggest? Wholesale distributors of liquor in Canada. That's like, nope. No more no more American liquor Does that mean the Jack Daniels gets cheaper for us though? I'm trying to find silver linings here Well, surely the glut of Jack Daniels that they now have, will they be just giving it away to like us?

Well, that's how a market should work. But we know that from like oil, that's not how it works. There's plenty of oil, the prices are still not coming down. So I'd love to go through the reasons that the administration is saying that they are doing the tariffs, which are all over the map. Howard Lutnick, the Commerce Secretary, is still saying it's revenue. Tariffs are going to drive America better. Remember, we pay taxes into the internal revenue service. Wouldn't it be amazing to stop paying taxes to the internal revenue service and have the external revenue service of Make America Great Again replace our taxes?

That's the goal of Donald Trump, and I think he's going to hit there. We're going to be able to replace the federal income tax because we're bringing in all that revenue, but of course you would need to keep the tariffs in place to get the revenue. There's leverage. We're going to threaten Canada and Mexico with tariffs to get some thing, but it's unclear what the demand is this time around. Or we're going to bring all... This is what the press secretary, Carolyn Levitt, said, we're going to bring all this manufacturing back to the US. It's going to create so many jobs.

Great, but then you do have to put the tariffs in place to force them to do that, because if you just take them off right away, no one would do that, and then that contradicts the revenue thing, because then if everyone's buying domestically, they're not paying the tariffs to import it, and so you don't have the revenue.

It doesn't make sense. Well, and then if you get, and then if you make the deal that you wanted and you get your Whatever your demands are then you remove the tariffs that were necessary and good for these other reasons Just trust the process you guys. I keep doing that. I keep trusting the process Trust the process and maybe you're find true love. Stuck forever with a goblin. But trust that process. But okay, so theories as to why he's actually doing this.

I know you've prepared these as well, Jonathan. I wrote a bunch of, I wrote five bullets actually about why he might actually be doing this. Okay, first one is he's dumb and doesn't know how tariffs work, maybe. Totally an option. I feel like that should be like swirling around all these other reasons, too. Like whatever the reason is, that's kind of part of it no matter what. Right. It could be a pump and dump.

Right. The stock market goes down when he announces tariffs, then they buy all the stock. They buy the dip. So that's OK. Yeah. That's actually not a bad theory there. I mean, you know, they're selling off everything right now and they want to sell it off cheap for their friends. And then, yeah, some of the stuff I think gets a little too, would give Trump a little bit too much credit in the 3, 4 or 5D chess world where he's intentionally cratering the

economy now so it bounces back in a few years and he gets credit for that for the election that- I've only thought that far enough. Look at what even supporter, different random financial expert people that probably did vote for Trump saying, like, I don't know, this is risky. You can't run, this is also incorporating the doge of it all and cuts. Just in general, we're looking at the period

of financial hardship could be like six or seven years, you know, before actually rebounding from some of this stuff. What's crazy is that in every other move around doggy, which I call it, like all that is like, okay, there's a very clear beneficiary. It's Elon Musk's Starlink. It's Elon Musk's, you know, SpaceX, right?

It's the- Cyber trucks. Right, at $4.5 trillion tax break for the ultra wealthy. That's really clear. You wanna give the forestry department to a lumber guy. That feels clear to me. But like starting a trade war with our biggest allies in trade and our neighbors, without anyone who's like, I'll make a buck.

Like there, there is no like sycophant who seems to be there. It's not even a tick tock thing. Like there's no one who's there. It was like, well, I'm going to be making a ton of money off of this. That infrastructure is just straight up not in place. Like the Amish aren't poised to really cash in on the can only buy locally and fucking nationally here with their quilts. Like they're like really trying.

So that's why it's such a head scratcher. Yeah. I mean, it seems like there's a lot of tension in the White House about this specific issue and there's always going to be going back and forth. And because so many people also voted for him knowing like, well, he's not going to do the tariffs. He's actually not going to do this stuff. Right. And now that he is, there's this like, OK, but like maybe

it's not going to do it for like a long time or like there's this recalibration that people are expecting. But which is like to your point, like, yeah, there's no like clear like winner. Unless it is this sort of longer game that Jonathan was alluding to. We're like, here's the reason why he can't get it through. The other thing is that he can fire a bunch of federal workers and you can tell them they're going to have to feel pain. He can tell the farmers they're going to have to feel pain. Elon loves saying that the pain word, there's going to pain, we're gonna go, everyone's gonna like suffer

a little bit, but he can't do that to the stock market. Obviously investments, it is important, we shouldn't want the stock market to tank. But like, that should apply to shareholders as well. Like that should apply to the stock market. If you think everyone else should feel pain, then okay, deal with a freefall that the tariffs are creating. If you swear it's gonna go back up at some point, then you should be okay with all of these bankers who are getting a bunch of handouts by getting rid of consumer financial protections

and allowing them to do as massive amounts of fraud as they want. But do you know what I'm saying? He's too afraid to allow the stockholders to also do a little bit of that free fall that literally everyone else is experiencing right now. Here's some two choice quotes from President Donald Trump. He just said he's not looking at the stock market,

so don't worry about it. And the globalists are behind the stock sell-off. Oh. Those globalists. I mean, he's not wrong, too. You're like, well, I do believe that global corporations are behind a lot of what a lot of the neoliberal economics in our world today. It is globalist.

When he's right, he's right. But does he mean the Jews, though, really? But does he mean the Jews? Is he low-key just being? These days, especially. Yeah. That's the thing. We're at the point where even the dog whistles, you don't even know if it's intentional or

not intentional. You can't know what he means or doesn't mean at any point. So every day, like we've got three or four things in here. I've got in our notes screenshots of truth social posts. Okay. Like I don't even know what to make of it. You might never hear about it again or he might be like, well, I told you I was going to shoot all the protesters on the truth social.

Did you guys see Ben Shapiro talking about like, well, I don't even know what the point of these tariffs are. Inflation killed Joe Biden's presidency. If you wish to see President Trump be successful, he needs a booming economy. He cannot have a recessionary economy. If tariffs continue to drive up prices, and if wages do not increase sufficient to meet those prices, you're going to be in exactly the same predicament in which Joe Biden found himself.

Now, again, I'm perfectly fine with using tariffs as leverage. If the goal of the tariff is to get other countries to lower their own tariffs, if the idea is you have a 25% tariff on our lumber and now we have to put a 25% tariff on your oil products and then we trade one for the other and all the tariffs go away. I'm perfectly fine with that. If the idea of a tariff is to threaten, say, the country of Colombia with a 50% tariff in order to get them to take deportees, great. That is a piece of leverage. I still am unclear as to what the actual demand is against Mexico or Canada that would get rid of the tariffs if the idea of the tariffs is that they are inherently a good for the United

States that is not true the tariffs are in fact a tax on American consumers they drive up the prices interesting perspective I'm sorry before we get into real feedback on that did anybody else he looks like the AI version of him in that clip but he does whatever they're doing. I mean he has a 35 step skincare routine I think okay that's sort of the video we've all been waiting to drop. Yeah, what is shabiro's? Incredible stuff yes Here's how I get ready not peg by my wife fantasize about being pegged by my wife only Step one um

This is amazing to me that he's like actually I know admitting it. He said wages need to go up Ben What are you doing? I know we all all have viscerally reacted to that, like stay in your lane, bro. Yeah, well it's interesting, because you could, I guess, view this as like, we'll see, even the right is willing to call out their own when they're making, oh, this is the bare minimum at the edge of like, okay, but wait,

why are you doing this? Like, he's, but you know, good for him I guess. And it is happening when it affects their bottom line and how much money they make. Okay, but whatever, I'll accept it. I will. But he's also, he made a few different arguments in there. One of them was like, well, if it's 25% and 25%,

and then they cancel each other out, I'm fine with that. And it's like, no, no, no, that's also bad. It basically means the people of Mexico, the people of the United States are both suffering on either end. And if they're not getting a wage raise in order to be able to afford the new price of these tariffs, then what are we doing? I mean, ultimately, the unspoken is corporations and we'll never say the word corporations. I hate saying that. It's deep state. It's establishment. The elites, not like our benefactors, but the other elites. It really makes my head want to spin off my body. It's so blatant. I'm not going to derail it, but you hear Joe Rogan talking about profiteering and Biden,

everybody profiteering, but corporatists. But his guests is like Mark Andreessen. And his guests were Elon Musk. And like, Elon Musk is doing the good work that we need to have done. And like, why can't you connect these dots? Why can't you see that we are not inching, we are going full throttle into just embracing this completely?

There are reasons. There are about 60 to 65 million reasons. Yeah, obviously. But like, but then that's your average, everyday American, not being able to connect these dots either. Like, they're all fucking lying to you. Democrats aren't great either. They're all fucking lying to you. Oh no, Democrats aren't great either. They're fucking, Democrats are too.

It will all connect when the prices begin to go up, which companies have warned, and also there's no labor to do things. If you wanna do a remodel on your home in Florida, and labor's been deported, lumber is like twice as, five times expensive, whatever it is. It's like, things are going to start getting very real and not just for like working people, but for again, people are like, I want to remodel or you know, whatever, anybody who's got extra money. But I think it's funny that like, he's like,

it is also funny to hear him admit that like, if you don't want to be hit with inflation or a recession, you need to like raise wages. Incredible stuff. I thought it was interesting that he even mentioned that, like, because what he said was inflation tanked Biden's presidency. I thought wokeness tanked his presidency. I thought like wokeness is dead now because Joe Biden, the Democrats. But like, it's like, yeah, inflation.

It was just inflation. That was it. If that wasn't going on, Trump wouldn't have won. Certainly not so easily. Yeah, no, it's like Matt Walsh being like, can we admit Project 2025 was the plan? It's like, no, you didn't like Joe Biden because you like the stuff that Trump is doing. You can't pretend like, oh, look how bad he is for the economy. I know. Yeah. So it is it is true that it does look weird for Ben to stick his neck out.

But Ben's also someone who's just like, he what is it like five videos a day? Like the guy's a fire hose. So tomorrow he'll say the exact opposite. Tomorrow he'll give Trump a bunch of credit. Tomorrow he'll say it was a power move. And yeah, they're going to find another backpack of fentanyl or whatever many 40 more pounds. A new caravan for him to stop, whatever it is.

A new caravan. He's putting out all these videos because it's AI obviously. Look at that smooth beard, come on. There's no way. And then someday he's going to be able to say that wasn't me, that was AI. That's so true. You can tell we're real because of the roughness of our beard. Exactly.

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a few nights ago. Not the State of the Union, but it is, who cares what it's called. State of the Month. Yeah, oh yeah, he's like, I like that. Can we do that once a month? His speech writers are like, oh, okay. Of course he likes that.

It's his favorite thing. It's his favorite thing. It's his favorite thing. The longest in modern history. Yeah. They're so old, how are they awake? That's why they walked out. Well, that's exactly it, Cody. I was like, that's why Al Green,

Al Green was definitely obviously gay Al Green, but he was also like, I am tired, and I know this will go on forever. An hour, 40 minutes, no thank you. I'm going to do five five minutes in shake my cane good night I'm gonna have a nice cup of tea throw me out good night like Al Green like that was the move he played his cards right he piped up he said you do not have a mandate to cut Medicaid eventually he was removed from

the chamber and then this morning censured by the house ten Democrats joined the Republicans to vote in favor of censuring him. Because the decorum, you guys. Oh yeah, 10 losers joined the party. What an absurd thing for any of them to participate in. What are you doing? Everyone should have stood up and walked out.

Not the moment, folks. Just the fucking political theater of it, the show of that entire speech, which we'll go through, is just every other word is an insult to Joe Biden or the Democrats, a blatant lie. But this idea, like, the Democrats, they'll never applaud for me, they will never stand up for me.

You're insulting them, every other word. And also, not for nothing, they did the exact same shit. They do every, they do the exact same shit. So get your head out of your ass and just talk about what's important. Like you want people to, you don't give a shit if people stand up and what you would like people to stand up and applaud for you. But at the end of the day, you, you know, you're egging it on. You know that you're not trying to be conciliatory. You're not trying to be a president for everyone. You want the reaction.

You want us to be sharing social media clips and being enraged. That's what you want. That's why you're saying this shit. The civility police is very frustratingly effective, apparently, as evidenced by this censure. But I've seen a big uptick recently of like a lot of conservatives and Republicans and just pundits and being like, the Democrats are so cruel.

They're so like callous and rude and stuff. Like what the fuck are you talking about? I mean, I know what they're trying to do, but like, I can't believe it works on some people. Like this is what you wanted. You, he went down that escalator and was like, actually we're doing mean stuff now. We're just gonna be, we're gonna be awful to each other.

Everybody's gonna be awful to each other. That was the deal. And now that some Democrats are finally like, okay, fuck you and your feelings, I guess. They're like, oh my gosh, did you say thank you to us? Did you, you didn't even, you weren't polite enough. Like it's so absurd. And like. You didn't even, you weren't polite enough. Like it's so absurd. You didn't even stand and give me an applause.

I mean, he's obsessed with them not. They couldn't even applaud, they couldn't applaud the child who survived brain cancer who wants to be a police officer, even though we're defunding NIH funding for child cancer and Medicaid for disabled people and disabled children or just children in general. Yeah, it's like good luck.

Here's your fake job, kid. Like, what do you like? No, you have to applaud the exploitation. I'm so done with like the decorum bullshit. Like it's wild to me. Like when you see 10 Democrats and you're like, nah, we're cooked. We're cooked with this kind of stuff. And you're like, who is this for?

I guess it's for your donors, I guess it's for people who you court who are in the middle. But like Al Green of all people, like this guy, nobody ever heard of him, you know? And you're gonna censor him. So this is absolutely terrifying. This is when I use my one DM to AOC, I do one about six months, and I I'm like start a new party, please

Just start just do it just start a party right now. You know, but really if there ever were a moment To break from the Democratic Party with a few leaders and I know again the logistics of blah blah It would be now because of the kinds of displays in cowardice that we're seeing Yeah, I'm leading Dems. Hakeem Jeffries asked for there to be, what was the word? I don't know, John, if you have it. He was like, people need to be civil,

or he said something like, we need to be calm, basically, don't interrupt at all. I saw him today saying, we've got the Republicans on the run. We have them on the run and we're going to keep our foot on the gas pedal. Oh my god. Don't you know we're winning? What do you mean?

Citation needed. He also said before the speech, like he called for like unity among Democrats and stuff. enough. And I would posit that true unity would be every single Democrat leaving when they kicked him out. Like, OK, you're going to kick one of us out. We're all going to go. Yes. In solidarity. This is what like and that is, you know, it's performative, whatever. Everything's performative. Like that's what politics is. That's speech with a performative. Exactly, like you get that moment and then you see, yeah, they're kicking everybody out. Look at the unity of the Democrats.

They're supporting their party, like all these other things. There's like ways to go about this. I'm not even like necessarily, you know, I mean, some of the outfit stuff and the signs, it's like, all right. Oh God, I know. But it's like something.

They were just so pathetic. The signs were so dumb. They're figuring it out, you know? Maybe they should have figured it out months ago. He's the president now, so time has passed. I like what you said yesterday at our shoot. The women weren't wearing pink. I mean, like, at this point, it kind of makes me

roll my eyes, but then just all the men, how about all the men wear pink if the women are deciding to unify and do that? Sure, yeah. It's a little less like, all of makes me roll my eyes. But then just all the men, how about all the men wear pink if the women are deciding to unify and do that. Like it's a little less like, all of it's performance. It's a little corny and obviously, but if you're gonna do like, oh, we're wearing pink, men wear pink suits too. And it would be a major conversation

that people were having too. I don't know, yeah, I definitely think turning their back, you know, like one time when we had a, one time in class when I was like, we were all annoyed, I think our teacher, our teacher was just crazy, our Spanish teacher, and just to like fuck with her, when she came back into the room, cause she would come to the room,

be like, class do this, read page this, and then leave for like 10 minutes, and we're like, where the fuck is she going? When she came back, we had turned our desks in the opposite direction. I was very much a a disruptive high schooler, but classic turn your desk in the wrong direction. Can we do that?

One thing, turn around. Together do a thing. This is the very same spot where many of you were straight up held hostage by Trump's brown shirts four years ago, and you're now gonna give him the, whatever, his due, sit there and listen to him. Senator Mark Warner, by the way, today, apologized for what he said two days ago,

when he was like, I think we should give Donald Trump some credit for bringing deportations down. Now he's like, I shouldn't have said that. He's also 70 years old, guys. A Democrat just died in office yesterday, was also 70. I love 70 year olds. My mom's 80. They're not up to this job.

They're up to going to the farmer's market, maybe, getting their favorite fruits and veggies, coming home, making some tea, and going to bed by nine at the latest. They're not up for fascism fight. They don't know how to update their phones. Exactly. Okay, Jonathan, let's go through some of the lies that were.

I was gonna say, yeah, the lies are pretty egregious. They're bad, they're really bad. And that's another case of like, yeah, just yell that's a lie. That's what, like. The guy did. That's what the guy did. Well, that's what Marjorie Green did, and that's what.

That's what Marjorie Green did, the Bobert. Bobert did. That's what like the guy did that's what the guy that's what marjorie green did and that's what marjorie green did the bobert Oh, like that's what they all do and Joe. I can't remember his name to Obama too long ago I have to purge names from my mind, but a Republican congressman did that Yeah, I know it's like okay here Trump lied a bunch He said that they'd already recovered hundreds of billions of dollars in government fraud was the word that he used. Fraud, interesting. Who's been charged with fraud?

Yeah, zero people, zero dollars of fraud. Oh, still zero, still zero. Eric Adams, but he's made his speech. He's okay. Oh, no, that doesn't count, sorry. He said that they had inherited an economic catastrophe, an inflation nightmare from Joe Adams, but he's made his speech. Oh, no. He's OK. I don't count, sorry. He said that they had inherited an economic catastrophe, an inflation nightmare from Joe Biden.

And we're going to make it worse. I hate to go all Will Stancil, but that's not exactly true. He lied about what tariffs do. He said, I've stopped all government censorship and brought back free speech to America. Oh, have you? Within hours, I think, is of when he truthed that federal funding will stop for colleges that allow illegal protests and agitators will be imprisoned, etc., etc. No definition of what that illegality is. What's illegal about a campus protest?

And then, I mean, there's a bunch of stuff. Social security stuff he lied about. Yeah, well, that's frustrating just because it's one of those lies where it's like, oh, we all know that's a lie. It's been debunked so many times and proven to be just a weird little lie from Doge's little pipsqueaks. And we all know, and he's still doing it, so it's malicious and purposeful,

and there are people eating it up still. Wait, wait, wait, I spaced for two seconds, but you mean, oh, where he like spent a whole half an hour to be like five people, age 237. Yeah, it's like, that's not true. We've debunked this over and over. Over and over and over again. But that's the other thing about them is that like, you, the moment where, you know, you think, oh, they're definitely going to correct the eating the cats or eating the dog's line.

And if they don't correct it, they won't repeat it. At least they won't repeat it. Like that would be crazy to just, but no, the more outrage that it causes, it's like that's the line they're gonna go with. You've just pushed the edge, which is wild because it's like, how are we supposed to respond? But it's like, that's, he thinks that that hits. That's Elon jumping in a small t-shirt, showing his midriff and going, oh, that shit slaps.

I'm gonna do more of that. And you're like, no, no, no, how do we, like you have to reverse psychology, these motherfuckers. Like, I don't know what to do to be like, yeah, you, no. How do we, like you have to reverse psychology these motherfuckers. Like I don't know what to do to be like, yeah. You know what I mean? Like what is it? Debunking the stuff fact checks don't really work,

but what are you supposed to do? The journalists have to, we have to give them the Pinocchios. We have to say, this is not just a distortion of the truth. This is just like utter nonsense. It's malicious nonsense with a very clear end goal that they're pretending isn't there. And so, yeah, what do you do? You can't be like, ah, he lies or like, ah, maybe it's a lie.

Maybe it's not. I don't know. You figure it out. Like, you can't do that. Well, they say this lacks evidence. And it's like, you know, there is no evidence. Yes, it lacks evidence and they haven't presented any evidence, but it's just a, it's a lie. And it's like there's no evidence of the whatever purple teapot around the moon. Like, okay, we just know that's not true because you made it up. There's two things that stick out.

You know, one is there's that story of this, you know, young woman who's like, worked in, I think, was she working at a national park who was since fired, who voted for Donald Trump because she thought that he was going to expand IVF and make IVF free for all people. And it's like, somehow people still believe the things that come out of this person's mouth. And I don't know how, but they do. And I feel like at a time when news media is truly, I mean, this is the story of 2024's election, to me is a story of media. And as folks who do media, it really is a story of the media

capitulating to Donald Trump. I just read an NPR piece two days ago that talks about creating this federal fund of crypto. And in nowhere in this piece, did it say it would be dangerous, volatile, you know, economists warn it was reserves are often created, blah blah blah. That would mean the federal government would buy crypto. Like, I mean, and look, I know NPR is worried about being defunded, but it is truly striking

that you're like, okay, can you put the word lie? Can you put the word false? And can you put the word without evidence to John at this point within? Let's go with headline, sub sub headline or the first paragraph, because otherwise folks aren't. Any context. Right. People still think he's telling the truth. Just like stenographers, you're just like publishing just the quote. So many people do that now.

It's like, but like, is it correct? Is it like where did that one sentence come from? If you just repeat the sentence, people hear it and go, oh, okay. And then you get in that situation where like, we're just talking about either, oh, he's not actually gonna do that. Or I heard somebody say that he was gonna do this

and I believe them. Like there's no actual reality that you can grasp onto. It's also very, very, very difficult for the average person. This isn't an excuse for it, but it's overwhelming to keep track of what's happening, what he has done or haven't done, especially when they walk back this part, but not really, but this, and then it's impossible.

But I'll piggyback, you're right, Francesca, that can be the story of this election, but it is becoming the story of this election, but it is becoming the story of this life, this generation, definitely this year, because it is getting worse. NPR doing that is almost certainly, yeah, afraid of defunding being- It's gonna happen no matter what.

How much funding do they get from the government anyway? It's like, isn't it all like the Charles and David Koch Foundation? Right, but you know, it's also about access. So he's now saying that he's going to handpick the journalists that get to ask him questions. We've already breezed right past that news item, haven't we? Well, he brought back free speech. The questions will be now laid in with the R words, N words,

C words, all the letter words, except for LGBTQ. Yeah, we can finally say that. I do like the C word when properly used. Not try and agree. When properly used. Against other people. Yeah, and then you do not give permission.

I don't give you guys permission, but Francesca and I have permission. I don't want permission. I know. Although, if it's appropriate. I think a good C word versus a loose B word is preferable on a male. Like if a dude. 1000%.

Yeah, if a dude uses like a well there's got to be some gaming analogy of like a precious C word versus a whole lot of B words. It's like I would use your precious C word. You know what I mean? 100%. I couldn't agree with you more. It speaks, it speaks. Well, I was hoping to make sure that, like there is funding for transgender mice, right?

Surely that wasn't a lie. Well, not anymore. Yeah, okay. So Trump in his speech spent like two to three minutes going through a big list of Doge cuts and I like a idiot Went to doge.gov to try This stuff together like some of the main ones will go through and news outlets reported on them But I stupidly dug in more thinking that doge.gov would give me some answers on this

No, okay So the first one the one that got a lot of headlines is he said eight million dollars for making mice stupidly dug in more thinking that doge.gov would give me some answers on this. Hell yeah. No. Okay, so the first one, the one that got a lot of headlines is he said. Eight million dollars for making mice transgender. This is real. This is real. Yeah, he said this is real like a comedian. Have you guys heard about this?

Have you seen this? This is real. This really happened, okay? He meant, or I don't know if he meant it, the study was about transgenic mice, which has nothing to do with transgender mice. The Doge people, I'm sure Apple F'd for trans and deleted it.

That is what they've done. They love their Apple F stuff. Across the board. No, no, that's like so weird! It's research on mice that enables them to model human disease responses in mice when you alter their genetic makeup so they can study cancer and asthma and HIV Progression in mice and model it in humans. There is no eight million dollars for making mice transgender We know that they've done this before because of the condoms to Gaza line

Which was what is it, Gaza, Uganda, or something like this? I forgot where Gaza is. And it wasn't 50 million, and it wasn't just condoms, like all these different qualifiers. Apple F is like, or Control F, whichever, you know. Yeah, sure, I don't mean to be.

Pick your method. Mozambique. Is what they are doing, mostly. There is that one, they delete some tax forms because they use the word equity Well, maybe it's not about DEI if it's a tax some program that was about transitioning from one side into the word It has transition in it the word diversity which is used in so many different Contexts that maybe you shouldn't just focus on that one word there was a there I think I saw a video of a woman who was at some sort of like

like they were like auditory specialists and people talking about hearing. Right. And like research around like deafness and whatnot. And so like their funding was cut because the word diverse was used in how people hear the one diversity of hearing. That's right. We're going gonna start seeing nonstop scientific studies like without words that would typically be used to describe things to make sure that they don't have the keywords that Elon doesn't like or whatever.

And they can put in patriot. It'll just be patriot studies from now on. Patriot studies on how anti-woke signify, like it's, God, it's so stupid. But I mean, they're being careful. I mean, they're only actually deporting people with criminal records, so. Oh, I just think it's important to remember that.

Is that true? And they're deporting them back to the places that they came from for sure. Yes, yes, yes, they are. Yeah, he also said that they're cutting. This one lost my shit. Eight million dollars to promote LGBTQI plus in the African nation of Lesotho,

which nobody has ever heard of. Oh, he got to laugh for that. Yeah, he got to laugh. He got to laugh and he got to scream for me. Well, we'll return to the truth about this. The whole thing was a little, it was very unsettling, the amount of laughter.

And like the reaction to a lot of stuff, the sort of like, it was playful in a very uncomfortable, like sort of demonic way. It was very odd, just the vibes. And like, just like these weird little like fascist goons just like yucking it up and stuff. It's I get very distasteful you know what it felt like it felt like like the moment it like after Christmas dinner

when everyone's in the living room and then like parents go in the other room or something and the kids are there watching like Grandpa on the couch being like and then the transgender mice and the kids are like on the couch being like, and the transgender mice, and the kids are like. Like yucking it up and stuff. When you just say that, yeah, you know, and nobody's ever heard of this African, you're like, what the fuck, that was so old. Like, you know, there's no adults in the room,

and you're like, someone's gonna stop him, right? Like, I don't know if that's seen. They all know it's lies, they all know it's like, mostly bullshit, and they're still just like, ha ha, yeah, get him, oh look, they're so haha yeah, get em, oh look they're so mad. They're just laughing about how they're so mad. Well, Wokeness is dead so we can laugh at jokes like that. Now.

I do think that he will drop the R word. I will give Donald Trump, I think he's gonna drop the R word in like two or three months. Oh, 100%, definitely by the end of the year, probably earlier. He'll be applauded. No doubt. Vance might do it first.

Vance might do it first. But he'll do it on Twitter against Jeff Computer, or whatever he's doing all day. Like, he's in an alternate universe where he's just arguing with Twitter people all day. What an incredible gig he's got. Does he actually? He does, right?

Yeah. He's a big reply guy. Yeah. Yeah, he got into it with Rich Lather right? Yeah. He's a big reply guy. Yeah. Yeah. He got into it with Rich Lather the other day. We're Jeff Computers now.

Yes. Or Allah Liker, Ghan Maslam, whatever, whatever you want to call him. And just like, how dare you, sir? This is like, you're the vice president. What are you doing? What a waste of your stupid time. Or maybe it's better that he's doing that instead of other things. I just want to make sure we do point out that the eight million dollars in Lesotho is for HIV prevention and anti-retroviral

Treatment for people living with AIDS about a quarter of the population of the country has AIDS And as anyone who has watched Animaniacs or played the nations of the world's forical quiz knows We know where Lesotho is It is a landlocked country within South Africa And Elon Musk has definitely heard of it because he met with Lesotho's prime minister less than six months ago to talk about expanding Internet access there. No, he's on a bunch of catamomines. So he doesn't really remember I just I'm gonna sneak in one point. That's a broad observation, which is not a new one. True of last time. You know, you're talking about our allies in terms, Trump sex,

no, our allies in terms of the tariffs, our allies in terms of how we're treating Ukraine and Zelensky last week, which by the way, news goes so fast. We couldn't even talk about that major story. But in general, this is some pivotal ally, but this is a relationship we have. We're so fucking disrespectful. We're going to have nobody that has our back, you know, burn every fucking bridge possible. We are making ourselves a pariah nation and we're being treated as such.

And I do think that like Ukraine for a lot of Americans is a little bit of a disconnect, right? Nah, I don't get it. Okay, sure. But like again, Canada and Mexico, whatever. China, we don't want to admit that we have a massive trading partnership with them. We share borders with them. Canada and Mexico, our biggest allies we share borders with, that I think truly makes no sense. And I think to a lot of people who live in border territory, which is a lot of folks who do regular business, whose import export, whose small business relies on China, Mexico, Canada, like I don't know why I did the opposite, but you know what I mean? Like that I also think is like it's breaking some of

these you know some of these sort Like, that I also think is like, it's breaking some of these, you know, some of these sort of like middle upper income folks who would otherwise probably go to bat for a Trump administration. It's sort of like there's a big disconnect there. The last thing is like, again, what do you think is going to happen when we defund all these programs to, you know, poorer nations in the global south? Right. Thank you for saying this. Where are they going to go? Where are they going to go? Who are they going to do? If you hate immigration, then you in the global south. Right, thank you for saying this. Where are they gonna go? Where are they gonna go?

Who are they gonna go to? Because not that you need to- If you hate immigration, then you should support these programs. Right, because, well, the point of these programs, yes, are to make things better, improve situations in- Safe lives. These regions. Safe lives. Safe lives. But if you wanna talk about it selfishly

from the our-centric perspective, it's like, improve conditions there or less people want to leave. Also, I don't know, I'm not gonna go hard in the paint about different forms of power, but this is something that we know is like soft power. You go into other regions and you generate goodwill, you help them, then you create economic trading partners. Also, if you don't, you're leaving a vacuum for China to go

in, for Russia to go in and do the thing that we're doing. So if we leave, that's a vacuum for someone else to come in and have influence. Again, I don't feel lovely. I'd love to. I don't feel great making that case because. No, the soft power case is a really important case, actually, though. It's important, though. Yes. If you want to be a global hegemon, if you want to be like a player in the in the big leagues here, that's what you have to do. Which they do, like they obviously do.

Which they do. Although they do, you want to get respect, that's how people respect you. Take the COVID-19 vaccine. I remember my friends in Argentina were like, oh yeah, we don't know the COVID-19 vaccine. It was like six months after we got the Sputnik. And I was like, what? Yeah, Russia gave us a bunch of Sputnik. Now, what's funny is there weren't enough for everyone to get two doses, so we kinda got one dose of a half shitty one that wasn't so great. But they got it, and again, Russia,

it was a gesture, and they did it to a lot of global south countries. You think the United States did? Of course not, and that was a Trump and a Biden decision to say, nah, we're gonna prioritize big pharma and the patents over any kind of soft power. But like if you're in the middle of a global pandemic and Russia and or China are giving

you their Sputnik, I'm forgetting what the Chinese vaccine was called. It was something else, but it was TikTok. That's right. And it was really like that means something to you that you're like, okay, okay. Means everything. As instead of us selling the patents or whatever. It's the mirror version of having your wedding or village bombed

and then seeing that there are American-made bombs. It's like that has the opposite effect. And so maybe we should do even less of that and actually help people and try to save lives. God, my heart is pounding so fast. I get so worked up.

I do have one more Doge cut that I would love to bring up though. A $3.5 million consulting contract for lavish fish monitoring. Hell yeah. I love this. Hell yeah. Okay, I looked it up. I love this. Oh, thank you. I don't know if it was written this way in his speech or if it said the correct thing and he just read it wrong. What he should have said is larval fish monitoring, not lavish.

So bad. The monitoring is not super fancy. We're not doing it at the Four Seasons. And what it is, is like a really good thing that helps US fisheries. Larval fish monitoring helps researchers understand travel patterns of fish, which can help with habitat restoration,

and then ultimately fisheries can get more fish for us to eat and sell. Yeah, this is like, I've panged this drum a few times before, but it's so frustrating to see this kind of thing trickle down from somebody specifically like Elon Musk, where you're a, you're a science person, allegedly. Like you present yourself as somebody interested

in the science and the world and the universe and all these things, but you're making people dumber and more ignorant by framing these lavish fish monitoring. No, it's actually like really interesting. You could get people interested in these studies and projects that are going on in order to help this industry or this sector

or this type of environment and like bring everybody into this idea like well, a lot of things are connected, not just us to the places we are or the other people in the world, but also like to our environments and like on a molecular level, there's all these interesting things about science and scientific progress and inquiry. And they're just making them like they're studying beetles. Yeah, that's interesting, probably. And it's just like really depressing. I think that's really important.

And I think you made this point on your, on the Elon video is like, it's kind of exemplary of how, like, I mean, the right is just very incurious. Fascism is in curious. And also he, it's revelatory about who he is and how he's never been an innovator. He's never been on the cutting edge of anything. And he doesn't actually, I mean,

other than torturing chimpanzees with microchips well because you want to play tetris in your brain while you drive you have to I am a top 20 tetris uh 99 player going up against all the top people can I just say when I heard him say lavish like I like that's the most Donald Trump word is to say lavish, right? It's so funny. It's so funny. And it's so funny that he thought, and I really now want to ask every writer in the room, what is lavish fish monitoring?

I just picture one of the big fish tank in the Notorious B.I.G. hypnotized video and there are just these lavish fish and we have to like monitor them for that That's a huge wasteful thing. There are like species Yeah, instead of the fish are gonna cost more now because now you have to pay for it I see more like a cartoon Disney fish sort of sitting there with big lashes That character exists it I probably is named the lavish fish that must be where well in the Little Mermaid There was definitely like a sexy like singer fish and she yeah I'll say the flute play the lute the carp plays the harp we can get this the

Have you seen it recently Jonathan no Thumbs up on the screen I've seen boss baby exclusively on repeat for the last like three months. That's what your little one wants right now. As soon as Boss Baby ends he goes more baby, more baby, more baby. And I'm like okay we're gonna go red just real line. How old is your Boss Baby? He'll be two soon. He likes Boss Baby at two? Yeah it's like the one of the first cartoon. He also likes Flow which just won best animated. Oh my god I think our kids need to hang out. We're doing, speaking of Fish,

we're doing Nemo and Dory, and she really likes Dory. Oh, awesome. There's a lot of action scenes. It's very interesting to watch your child watch a first action scene, which her first action scene was like a boulder rolling down a hill in the Tigger movie. And it was like, oh no!

And she's like, really? Ah! Like really, and it was like oh no and she's like really uh-huh like really sad and I was like it's okay there's music in it. You know and she was really scared and now it's like whatever big-ass shark in Nemo. Well it's weird to see things in cartoons, this is not about the news, it's weird to see things in cartoons be like too intense and you recognize in real-time like oh you're worried you're literally worried about the capybara and the cat on the boat dying in flow. Is there a capybara?

Oh yeah, there's a bunch of animals. Look at my capybara slipper. Oh, that's adorable. Wow, that is really cute. It's streaming on Macs, the one to watch, so you should check out Flow. On Flow, okay. I love capybaras.

Well, the robot was good too. I like, I enjoyed that. I was gonna show my slipper, but I don't think so bars. Well, the robot was good too. I enjoyed that. I was gonna show my slipper, but I don't think so. What is it though? That's too late, I mentioned it. Thank you. Yeah, what is it? You brought it.

A happy face. Everybody feels like a good place to end it. Let's all fake it till you make it. Show your slippers. Are we all wearing slippers? I'm not. And I wear slippers all day. Show us your feet.

Cody, show us your feet. I'm so sorry. Show us your feet. I am not gonna show up on us your feet. I am not going to show up on WikiFeet. I am not going to allow this. Wait, do you have a WikiFeet? No, and I don't want one. I do. You guys can put my slipper on the WikiFeet.

You have my permission. Here's Warmbo's feet. Does that count? Warmbo in his beautiful dress. All right, guys, we've done it. Bridget, are you looking up if I have a WikiFeet? I swear to God. Well, now there's going to be one, Cody, we've done it. Bridget, are you looking up if I have a wiki feed? I swear to God. Well, now there's gonna be one, Cody, so watch out.

Oh, before we go, I did wanna clarify, Jonathan, you asked if you think Lavish was written incorrectly or if he read it incorrectly. He probably read it incorrectly. He doesn't know how to read. There's a specific story that Pete Davidson is allowed to tell about when Trump came on the show. And he was very, very clear, like, yeah, he can't read. He had trouble reading and he would, like, say things weird and he wouldn't, he would want to make up his own lines and stuff.

And one of the lines that he did get right, kind of, but not is they're, like, doing some, some skit. And the line was, all right, let's get out of here turkey legs like we're gonna get turkey legs and Trump said all right let's get out of here turkey legs like stuff like that but apparently the content is over there is that he can't read so he probably said a little anecdote Francesca tell our listeners where they can find you I mean we listen to the top but do it again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, come see me do stand up and listen to the Bituation Room podcast,

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What, what? No, I just always, I say this at the end of every show, but I do mean it. What? What do you say at the end of every show? I'm so grateful for, I'm grateful. I am gonna be sincere. I am grateful for our listeners.

Oh, you're doing it for real, all right, I'll let you. Yeah, I'm doing it for real. I'm grateful for you guys. It feels very cathartic, and I'm grateful to be able to come together and talk about this stuff with y'all and for everybody that listens and supports. Sincerely, we love you very much.

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