Some More News - Even More News: The Executive Order Blitz and the Executive Coder's Mitts

Episode Date: January 24, 2025

Hi. Some More News head writer David Bell joins Katy, Cody, and Jonathan to go through the dizzying slurry of executive orders issued by Donald Trump on Day One. Also, we talk about Elon Musk definitely not giving a Nazi salute... how could you even suggest such a thing? Get the world's news at https://ground.news/SMN to compare coverage and see through biased coverage. Subscribe for 40% off unlimited access through our link. Chapters: 00:00 - Intro and Holidays 02:33 - The News is a lot 10:08 - Nazi Salute?? 11:55 - Birthright Citizenship 19:32 - Pardoning January 6ers 26:18 - Nazi Salute….. 28:00 - Back to the pardons 31:52 - DEI 36:43 - Anti-trans executive orders 43:49 - Lighting round of executive orders 48:48 - Nazi Salute 57:49 - We did it PATREON: https://patreon.com/somemorenews MERCH: https://shop.somemorenews.com

Hi, hello, welcome back to Even More News, the first and still only news podcast. My name is Katie Stoll. Still, folks, you gotta start podcasts. Right? Somebody start another news podcast. But I'm happy to be here. I'm Cody. We don't want competition.

No, you're right. No podcasts. No more podcasts. Don't listen to Cody. No more podcasts. Just this one. Oh boy, what a treat. Folks, oh, it's such a treat. We have today as our guest of honor,

some more news, head writer and host of Gamefully Unemployed and lots of podcasts, honestly. It's our very own David Bell. Bell. I am honored to be on the Only News podcast. There are so many people in the world. I mean, like, what,.0001% of people who get to be on the news podcast, that's incredible.

It's a privilege. Thank you. You're welcome. We're very, very selective. Don't worry, folks, Jonathan is also here. Also here, hi. Hello. There he is folks Jonathan is also also here. Hi Hello There he is. What a catchphrase. There's our guy

I mean sometimes I put spins on it. I say hi multiple times or in different ways. I'm doing well Dave Thanks for asking How are you? I'm a little I'm a little sleep-deprived ay, a little weird, a little weird energy coming off of me, wafting off of me. Let's get weird, y'all. OK. Friday, January 24th is a fun one.

It's National Compliment Day, boys. What a nice day. Aw, I think you all smell very nice. Aw, thank you. I assume you all do very nice. Oh, thank you. I assume You all do as well. Thank you. Okay That's all we got for compliments. You guys can't dig a good job introducing the compliment thing Yeah, great job everybody on the intros and the small talk

It's pretty good I'm trying to do some compliments, you know, it's like It was pretty good I'm trying to do some compliments, you know, it's like Dave we already asked you how you are. This is a section where we talked to Dave and get to know him He said punch I'm punchy. I'm punchy. That's my yeah my overall punchy Oh, I know you didn't sleep well last night but I'm just trying to generally segue into talking about how it's a dumpster fire of a year so far and

you get really get the brunt of it being the last line of defense before between production and shooting. I mean, you already wrote a whole episode this month, just about Yeah, what's happening. It's not it's not fun. Well, it is and it isn't like I I mean, I'm sure you guys get this all the time because you guys have to as well. You do this every week you do a podcast about the news every week. And I get and I'm sure you guys get people going, I don't know how you can do this. And I would argue. kind of helps sometimes. You can disassociate a bit when you look at it through the filter of work. You don't want to, mind you, it's not good to always do that because then you lose the humanity of these stories.

But sometimes it's easier to get to look at these stories and go like, well, how's that gonna fit into an episode? And you can immediately process it through like the cold hard stare of work. And you could just become a robot and then stop feeling things. And then you have to go out in the world and like start fights with strangers

so you can feel something and you know, so on and so forth. And then maybe you like build a community of people who wanna start fights to feel things. Right, like a club, that on and so forth. And then maybe you like build a community of people who want to start fights to appeal things. Right, like a club. That's a great idea. Like a small level club. Like a fight club? Well, no.

Yeah, I don't know what to call it. I wouldn't call it that. You don't have to go that far. I wouldn't talk about that. It's like a brawl organization. Yeah, yeah. Okay. A brawl bureau, yeah.

There's an outlet. There's a place... Before we started recording, we were talking about stupid fucking Twitter and how hard it is to use it and how unsatisfying it is to use it, so I don't. And that was a good outlet for me at a point in time. But having this show in this space where you feel safe to talk about things and know that you've got like-minded individuals and the people that are listening and leaning into the community element of what the First and Only News podcast allows for definitely is a good outlet.

The flip side is, another thing I already said to you guys before we started recording, I started this administration, what, a week, less than a week ago. I was like, I'm going gonna keep notes in my phone. I'm just gonna write down everything that he's done, said, because what we found with the last administration was that it was so overwhelming that you'd be like, oh, I forgot about that, you know? And there's that, and you forget to follow through.

However, I've already been overwhelmed by it. Like I just couldn't keep track of all of the things. I'm like, nevermind. It's by design. And so that is panic-inducing. And then, you know, people wanna talk to you about, I don't know if you guys, it's just, it's a lot, yeah. It's a lot and the media who I sure seems like loves this.

Yeah, they do, don't they? Yeah, like loves this. Yeah, they do, don't they? Yeah, they wanted this. They make it really hard because everything he says is a headline. I'm on like NBC News is what I often go on because they tend to be boring and they're not trying, but even them have like Trump Watch, Dame 3, where it's like hour by hour,

here's the thing he's doing. And I'm like, how long are we gonna have to do this? We're treating Trump like he's a hurricane and that we have need hour by hour updates. And it's like, there's going to be a lot of horrible things he'll do, but it's drowned out by like, he also just says a lot. And I would argue everybody kind also just says a lot. And I would argue everybody kind of just says a lot, right?

But like he does it more than other people and they're gonna make every goddamn thing he says. A meal out of every sentence. Some things matter, some things don't matter. Right, and it's really hard to weed through what matters and what doesn't. And it can start to desensitize people. It can just, maybe so many people

are already dealing with so much and fear for their own personal safety. I mean, full stop. There's so many different groups that are fearing for their own personal safety for a variety of valid reasons. And then, at least amongst the people here in this Zoom right now have been dealing with the astronomical stress of wildfires and as the backdrop for this and devastating loss. And it is just really hard

to wrap your mind around all of it. I do think the media missed him. I think the media missed him. And it's so funny because people will frame this as being unfair to Donald Trump, the fact that he gets all the headlines. And I'm like, they're loving him. They're giving him exactly what he wants and needs to thrive. You know? Yeah, because everybody's, everybody's paying attention to them.

You know, they get to be the doomsayers. And like, I don't know, I think the thing, the big thing that feels different this time, at least right now, is that you combine that with the Democrats being absolutely useless. Yeah. I feel way more like we're left twisting in the wind than last time.

And maybe last time. And maybe last time it was the same, but that's how I feel now, which is like this feeling of like, all right, no one's here. Like no one's here to help, you know? No one's keeping track of it. The media is just, you know, being the media. Democrats are just being cowards. That social media has collapsed.

Not that it was ever strong. But it is stronger than it is now. It's way easier to follow things and anything going on. The owners of every social media site weren't so blatantly just all up on him trying to get his favor. Yeah it does feel different and I'm hoping that that shifts. I'm hoping that we're all able to keep ourselves healthy and focused.

But yeah this week I've been like I'm assuming someone's filing a lawsuit. I'm assuming someone's trying to block this. Dear God. And they are you know they are like a lot of people, like there are a lot of lawsuits coming down the pipeline and people doing things. We'll probably get to that. But I forgot how often there was stuff coming down the pipe during Trump's first administration. We were like, well, I guess I'm going to learn a lot about this right now to try to understand it.

You know? Yeah. And there was that there should always be that we should always have a curiosity of understanding, but the intensity of the pressure didn't feel the same with the last administration. I mean, we should, but also I would argue we shouldn't have to. It's not my job. Yeah, exactly. That's not my job. We shouldn't have to. It's not my job.

Yeah, exactly. That's not my job to. Yeah, like for the average person, it's like, you know, that's how a society needs to function, right? No, people, everybody shouldn't have to be vigilant about this stuff. Yes. But here we are.

The ideal you have, yeah, trustable institutions that kind of fill in those gaps that you can turn to and trust are being taken care of. Well, speaking of all this, we should probably dig in because boy do we have a lot that we're in theory going to get to. We've been recording for a while and I think we're going to go through the executive orders first which I think we should because they have real weight and

are going to affect people's lives immediately. But the richest person in the world and one of the president's top advisors gave a Nazi salute this week. And it's not just like we didn't say, hi, welcome to even more Nazi salute. Anyway, we'll get to that. No, I know. Wild that that isn't our lead story. We're at this point where every bullet point is a scandal

that 10 years ago would have been the only thing talked about and would have destroyed entire careers. Yeah. You try to say like, okay, we can't let this be normalized. It's not up to us. It's normalized and how we live with it. Right, there's only so much you can say about things like that.

And also there, we'll talk about this, as we said, but there are things like in the first administration and this that are worth talking about and worth being like upset about mentioning and talking about. But also it is distracting from the important things that are actually like actually happening. So, you know, there's like an effect to, there's an effect of must do a Nazi salute, which he did,

but there's also the other stuff, and it's like how much, maybe he was dabbing, yeah. He was autistically dabbing, god. All right, let's talk about the executive orders. No, no, no, just keep that in your mind that the Nazi salute happened, and I'm sure it will be tempered and throughout. So offensive to autistic people that they're like, he's just autistic.

Sorry. Well, circle back around to that. Yeah, birthright citizenship. I should preempt this by saying a federal judge in Seattle has already blocked the order, calling it blatantly unconstitutional, temporarily. It's all about if the Supreme Court feels like letting it do its- So many of these things are going to just be like, well, what does the Supreme Court say about it?

Yeah. Can Samuel Alito convince a few other people that this is a thing? So Trump signed an order saying that for babies that are born after February 19th, 30 days after he signed the order, if neither of your parents are American citizens or if they are unauthorized immigrants, as they're calling them, undocumented immigrants, or are here on a temporary work or student visa but aren't citizens, you are not an American citizen in blatant violation of the 14th Amendment, which is, I don't need to read the whole thing. It says, all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction

thereof are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. The Trump administration is trying to argue that subject to the jurisdiction thereof means that these babies-to-be don't qualify, which is silly because everyone here is subject to the jurisdiction of US laws. If an immigrant breaks a law, you arrest them for the crime. The subject to the jurisdiction thereof is typically applied to foreign diplomats where they have some level of immunity and then it's up to their home country to potentially waive that immunity and a few other edge cases.

You guys are worried about the rapists and the criminals coming here. These are babies. And they think about, yeah, you are a resident of the country you're born. They are living here. They are growing up in the United States of America. That are, that's all they've ever known. They are citizens and you should be, we want citizens. Are you afraid of the birth rates falling or not? We want citizens. We want to talk. I, it's just, what is this targeting? Right. I think there's, there's two running themes looking at what we're going to talk

about that I definitely like. I'm sure everybody listening to this are probably already on the same page as us. But like when talking, if you have the opportunity to talk to somebody who supports Trump or supports this stuff, the two questions that keep coming on up in my mind is one, like how does any of this make logistical sense? That was one of the things during the election where he'd say the tariffs and then people would go like, well, that doesn't make any sense because of this, and this, and this.

We're starting to see that, right? Where it's like he's trying to do the things he said and we're starting to get these questions of like, wait, why, it's not constitutional or it doesn't quite make sense how you would do it. Or where do you draw the line in this stuff? With this, I'm just like, it just starts getting weirder and blurrier where it's like, you drew a line where it's like, if you're born in the United States, you're a citizen unless I guess you're a diplomat, unless you're here specifically

representing another country or rather your parents are. And so it's like we had these very clear rules and now they're making them weird and unclear. The second thing throughout this that I feel like people, you should ask Trump supporters is how does this help us? Like how does any of what we're gonna talk about today is designed to help us to what your point Katie, where it's like, how does any of what we're going to talk about today is designed to help us? To your point, Katie, where it's like, how does this solve the problems they said there

were with immigration? Right. And it's nothing to do with it. And again, if you're really concerned about birth rates and next generation and I don't understand the logic in any way. Well, they're concerned about one group of people's birth rates. I know. I mean, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I know that. But I do maintain that certainly there are some voters that, or of his voters, agree with that, but not all of them. I know lots. Anyway, I don't need to do this. People will get mad at me. But that's not what people fucking care about, are the babies.

Some people do. But that's what he telegraphed, right? Yeah, sorry. Asking it to a Trump supporter, how does this help people? You're either gonna get one of two answers. You're gonna get someone who didn't think it through, who is just, you know, bought the propaganda, or you will get a mask off moment, right? Because they would have to say, Oh, it would ensure the white race, right? Like that, that would be the other that's like the actual reason behind a lot of this, something like this, where it's like, Oh, yeah, we want birth rates up for some people So it's like it's these questions. I feel like they either make them expose the actual thing or

Like I just don't know how with a mental gymnastics you can do to say like oh this actually helps us Not in like a racist way for this reason and that reason. They'll also ignore it. I mean, I know most people are going to be blind to that. I've seen a lot of people even point out, even the conservatives in my life, when I talk about specifically the birthright citizenship thing and then the pardoning every single January 6th person, the response is often like, that sounds fake or like, well, I didn't hear about that. Like there are things that are gonna keep happening

that are like in your face. It's the Westworld answer. That doesn't look like anything to me. I don't know. This is one of the more telling executive orders and I think it signals like a lot of different things and is important to just harp on because it is blatantly unconstitutional.

That phrase is accurate. And for a party and person who is constantly talking about they're authoritarian, they don't care about America, they don't get like, well, you're trying to blatantly go against the Constitution this way. That is pretty obviously built on racism. And just today or yesterday, Trump was giving an interview with Sean Hannity and he said, referring to criminals and immigrants that you can just tell with some of them. He said he wasn't going to get into it, not going to get into it, but you can just look at them and you can tell.

Sean, who would ask for open borders with people pouring in? Some of whom, I won't get into it, but you can look at them and you can say, could be trouble, could be trouble. Not the first time he said something like that. Not the first time he said something like that. And I know it doesn't really matter to some people and they just brush it off, but it sucks. And it's so, it's so blatant.

It's the verbal version of the salute. It's the verbal version of the salute. The birthright citizenship executive order appears to me to be the most testing the waters of this. It's like, let's see if they right off the bat just let me get away with everything yeah and if not I'd be like okay I'll come back to the table on that one right it's yeah very very clearly like because it is and that's this is also stuff that was said before the election oh he wants to do that well that's blatantly unconstitutional. So this isn't like news, but it is very much one of the top items of let's see.

Let's see how this is going to go. Okay, so the pardons. Trump took- The pardons. Many people in his party, many of his allies by surprise by pardoning nearly all of the January 6th defendants, about 1500 people commuted sentences for 14 others, including the 169 people who pleaded guilty to assaulting police officers.

Something that JD Vance said a couple weeks ago. If you committed violence on that day, obviously you shouldn't be pardoned, and there's a little bit of a gray area there. Obviously. Obviously. He did it anyway, so. Yeah, obviously. He did it anyway. So, yeah, there's it's the hopelessness again of this where right where the people who nobody's going to say, oh, I've changed my mind, right? Like, oh, that's

offensive to cops. We love cops here at the Republican Party. J.D. Vance said, of course not. Like they're just going to move on, right? It's just. Yep. Well, or they'll say like, oh, I? Yep. It's just. Yep. Or they'll say like, oh, I'll look into it. Trump was asked like repeatedly about this and he was like, well, I don't know the details of everyone. Well then why is it a blanket pardon? Why are you just lumping everybody together

if you don't know the details of them, maybe? Didn't he say, did I pardon them? Yeah. Oh yeah. He's like, was it a pardon or a commutation? That's the thing. Because that's the thing. because he's also I mean You know some of it is lying some of it is he's just like wildly and curious and doesn't know what he's doing and doesn't know

The details he's letting other people do it It's a combination of these things his reaction is going to be everybody else's reaction supports him like well I don't know about that. I don't know the details of that and it's just wild that like yeah, they're're going to say that they're going to pretend that they don't know what's going on. But it's wild that like he can do that. Like you're the president and you're the one that's saying like, well, I don't know about that. I don't have to look into it. And he's just going to be able to do that. Because we know that he can just do stuff. And that people get

away and he gets away with it. And certainly, you know, the JD Vance's aren't going to undermine him, especially not at this point, probably ever, I mean, he wanted to have his last president VP hanged, hunged, hunged, hunged, hunged, hunged, I do think that you will find people saying, whoops, people already, you know Oh yeah, no, of course. Of the general population. But in terms of his administration, until someone gets fired or a year in starts leaking whatever.

Oh, people can regret all they want. That's the frustrating thing too. Like you'll see even like Dave, what you were talking about with like think these things through, how does this help? What are the logistics of that? The mass deportations now, for months they held up signs. That's what they were talking about. like, think these things through. How does this help? What are the logistics of that? The mass deportations now for months, they held up signs. That's what they were talking about.

Well, what are the implications of that? What are the millions of people who are going to have to be imprisoned in camps in order to make this happen? Or you or you're blatantly unconstitutional and you just forced them out without a due process. So like there are these two very obvious things going on and now as It's going to happen. You see all these reports. Oh private prisons are like feeling real good about this They're gonna build a new infrastructure for this specific thing. We're seeing all these stories already of

migrant workers and people not showing up to work like 75% of a workforce is like We're not showing up to work because we know we know that there are these workplace raids now. So like there are people scared to go out in public and all these things happening and people are going to start seeing that and go, oh, oh no, I'm starting to regret this. Well, great, but they're going to still be able to do this stuff like the regret only goes so far. It's just, I mean, it's good to like, it's good to be aware. Hopefully we have more elections where things can change, but it's just frustrating. You're like, oh, I regret it. Yeah.

Everybody's saying that this is exactly what's going to happen. And now there's nothing to be done. Like, I mean, there's things to be done, which we'll get to, but like, but like, they're going to still do those things. Like the administration is doesn't care if people regret their vote, you know, like that doesn't affect that part of it. I think my message to anyone, I always go back and I've mentioned this before is such a, it's out of nowhere to mention, but Hazel Brian,

a woman who, uh, like back in, I assume, is the woman in that picture yelling at the girl going to school when they desegregated schools. She was a symbol of hate. She was protesting a black girl going to school. She ended up having to spend her entire life atoning for that. She like developed a friendship with that girl. She went on talk shows.

She had to swing the other way. And what I would argue is that like, yeah, I'd say if you didn't vote for Trump and you're mad at people in your life who voted for Trump, it's good to allow people a chance to come back. But if you are someone who voted for Trump and you regret it, you have to fucking roll up your sleeves now.

Like that is kind of what my feeling is. It's like, well, guess what? Like if you're starting to go, oh shit, maybe I should have voted for this guy twice. It's like you're gonna have to fucking, you're gonna to have to fucking, you're going to have to show it. You're going to have to do the work. You're going to have to be out there protesting. You're going to have to be very vocal about that, about repairing that.

And you might have to spend a lot of time doing that. Yeah. And I don't think that that is going to be a mass exodus out of the gate, but I do think just based on conversations I've had already, people are uneasy. Again, I'm not speaking for everybody, but from my anecdotal experience, and I'm not gonna be like, angry with them right? I mean, I'm angry, I have my frustrated feelings. But if you're telling me that this thing makes you uncomfortable and you're nervous, then I'm gonna be like me too. And how's that?

Oh yeah, I'm not saying like, people shouldn't have this opportunity or be able to change their minds or regret. I know you're not. I'm just sharing my perspective. Again, some of you get pissed off when I talk about this. Some of you also live in communities like mine and you find it helpful.

Yeah. So sharing my perspective. It's good to be able to, and that's probably I think part of what we need to not focus on but like always be open to discussing is how to discuss these things with people in your life because that is part of this time now is building community and understanding of what this actually means,

what these people are actually doing. The Project 2025 stuff. Well, they lied, they're liars, they're doing it. Sorry, Tiff. No, no, it's just basic. If you make a mistake, you should feel responsible for trying to fix that mistake, right? And if you don't, so like for example,

if you make a Nazi salute in front of a lot of people, and let's say hypothetically, if you didn't mean to do that, let's say you didn't mean to do that. You would go, oh my God, I'm so sorry, I didn't mean to do that, that's so fucked up. You wouldn't be like, yes, you wouldn't go like, eh, it's not a big deal, everybody's a Nazi these days,

because that would make people go, oh, I think you might be a Nazi actually since you don't actually give a shit thing Like and so like that's what it comes down to is like and on the other on the flip side people need the room to Get to go. Oops. I fucked up. I'm so sorry Even if what they did is really, really bad and cannot be fixed easily, it's better to have one more person trying to fix that, right?

But obviously it really depends on the situation too. Like, I don't think anybody's obligated to forgive anybody else too. No, no, no. There are so many different situations and different experiences in different communities, and this is not moralizing, like, you need to go, I'm just saying, if there is some slight silver lining

for me, this out of the gate, it's that I've had some conversations that I'm like, okay, cool, because one of the things I'm worried about is people not being able to see what I'm seeing happen and not be able to engage with me. And I'm sure there are plenty of people I'm gonna talk to that I have that experience, but the handful of interactions I've had this week,

I've been like, okay, okay, sure. Yeah. If a person has, if someone has the bandwidth and patience and privilege to do it, they should do it, right? I think it comes down to that, right? Is like, you know, if you're like a young trans kid in the middle of America, it's not your obligation to talk to your parents again, you know?

Like it's that, where it's like. Especially if it's that loaded of a relationship that's, you know. It's about, yeah, where a person is in life and their ability to. Yeah, it's just, I just wanted to express the frustration of it's day two. And like, my surprised face,

like the Leopards Eating Your Face party is not a new concept. It's been out there and we all know and they're all like, Oh my gosh, he's doing this already. Yeah. It's day two. What do you think? Like what did he say? What did he say? All of this stuff is what he said. Yeah. There's no, there are no surprises here, uh, which is just, right. I'm expressing. Yeah. And going back to the pardons, it's like, again, it's how does this help anybody

and how does this make sense? I would honestly. More fascist in the streets. Because I bet there are people on January 6th who was part of a crowd who wandered in and was like, oh hey, I guess we can, we're going in the Capitol, who got carried away and maybe didn't do anything bad. And I can see like, oh yeah, I'm pardoning this handful of people that I feel like didn't do anything. But blanket

pardon, that doesn't make sense. Maybe not the violent planners of it. Right. Even if you don't think it was like a coup or whatever your view, you would look at it and go like, yes, there are people there who did fucked up stuff, who broke the law, who attacked cops, who trespassed, who whatever your line is, that you're like legally speaking, yes, that person did something. But they were mad about the vote.

You see, Trump says that all the time. He's like, well, they were mad about the vote as if being mad about something justifies violence. What does that mean, mad about the vote? Well, because you were mad about it onifies violence. Mad about the vote. Well, because you were mad about it on Trump's behalf, which makes it OK, which is terrifying. I mean, that's why we're seeing more violence and we will continue to see more violence

because he says violence on my behalf is OK. That's what he's saying, ultimately. He is the party, he is the country, he's the guy. There's probably a word to describe this type of political movement, He is the party, he is the country, he's the guy. There's probably a word to describe this type of political movement, but we don't need to get into that. But that is just what it is and what he's been doing.

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because polls have showed that, like DEI is not a thing that's at the top of people's minds, even Republicans. A slight plurality of people think DEI is a vaguely bad thing and that it shouldn't be part of corporations and stuff. It's like 48, 47 type things. Right, so like kind of like the popular vote of the election. Yeah, it's not top of mind for people.

Well, it started the fires, you guys. Yes. Well, obviously. And all the plane crashes and the hurricanes. Yeah. I mean mean if only people knew so Trump signed an executive order that gives All agencies in the federal government 60 days to get rid of all of their diversity equity and inclusion initiatives and the Office of Personnel Management

Has created an email address for people in those agencies to report if DEI initiatives are being disguised behind quote coded or imprecise language and for no reason that email address is DEIATruthatopm.gov. Just gonna put that email address out there to people. This is unbelievable. Yeah. What is it again? Sorry.

It's DEIATruth at OPM.gov. So if you're in the USDA and they're doing a DEI but they're calling it a CRT, then let the DEIATruth at opm.gov know about that. Yeah, or like, yeah, if you just feel like something might be DEI out there. How does this affect people currently holding jobs? They're not even being reassigned, they're just getting fired.

They're getting fired. That's what I was, I thought so, but I didn't wanna say it, but that, how is that okay? Yeah, everything's okay now. How does it help us? The average person, how is this helping you? Is it helping you? It seems like it's more bureaucracy, frankly,

that they're creating these new departments to handle this and wasting everybody's time to fire people. No, smaller government, that means good. Fewer people means good. Right. Doesn't matter how. That's why the work from home stuff, same thing, it's just there so that people are like,

well I moved, I did this, I'm working from home, I guess I can't have this job anymore. Oh, oh no, you're fired, it's just to get rid of people. They don't care, they don't care, they just want fewer people so they can do what they wanna do. They want a small government run by a few oligarchs so that they can do whatever they want.

They don't want, all these other people, all these civil servants, all these just like lifelong nonpartisan people in the government who just like have the institutional knowledge of all these organizations, departments, they can pass that along, they keep things going, they want it all gummed up and they want people gone so they can pass that along. They keep things going. They want it all gummed up and they want people gone so they can

loot the nation. And those people are now unemployed. Yeah. That's what we want, right? More unemployed people. That's what we're going for here. That's why the AI initiative is there as well. Oh, man.

Don't get ahead of ourselves. Stargate, sorry. I'm kind of excited for that shit show. Oh, about this DEI stuff, I want to point out two things. One is that the Labor Department is supposed to discourage private businesses from having their own DEI initiatives. But Costco is like, no, this is important to us and our business. And diversity and inclusion is a big part of what we do.

And everyone's like, another win for Costco for Costco Costco hot dogs and DEI yeah I have to point out like there's a lot of criticism about the movie Idiocracy but one of the ones that always pings me is them treating Costco like it was the epitome of stupidity that it was like everything will be one big Costco and I'm like Costco is the fucking hero now apparently. Costco's just smart. Resistance Costco. Go there and get it for cheaper in bulk.

Yeah, get a trampoline, get a guitar, get some eggs, get your- Get some samples while you're at it. Get your eyes checked, get some cheese, get paper towels, get whatever you want at Costco. Eggs are expensive everywhere, John. They're at an all time high right now on Trump's watch. Thanks to Trump, yeah. You know. Oh Eggs are expensive everywhere. They're at an all-time high right now on Trump's watch. Thanks to Trump. Yeah. You know. Oh, they are very expensive. Like exit. There's a restaurant or a coffee shop that's shutting down this week and I chatted with the

owner today. It's different than my normal coffee shop, but pop in there sometimes and they were just saying it's just so expensive and this person goes, and it's gonna get more expensive. I went, yeah it is. It is gonna get more expensive. All of it. I feel bad for them, I hope, wish them well. Trump's yelling that they need to lower rates

and maybe that'll work. There were of course some anti-trans executive orders, one that says it is the policy of the United States to recognize two sexes, male and female. These sexes are not changeable and are grounded in fundamental and incontrovertible reality. There's been, Cody we were talking about this the other day, there's been some business people are talking about how it talks about about things on the cellular cellular level or starting at conception and there's a debate about oh did Trump just declare that everyone's female and it's I guess a funny gotcha it feels a little beside. Yeah, it's funny to talk about that because they're trying to take this like complex nuanced thing and be like no the gender is actually male and female which is like not true I like it's like they're like separating sex and gender and like mashing them together and all these things.

But like the effect is the same. Like we can be pedants, which is fun. No, I do think it matters though, because I think it plays in to the question again, how does this help anyone? Because this doesn't erase trans people, they still exist. It just makes it harder for them. Like this law isn't gonna make the trans people that you might know magically not be trans, right?

No. Yeah. Like it doesn't do anything, it doesn't help anything, and also how does it make sense? Why is the government getting to define this nuanced scientific thing? That is a really weird thing for the government to do. Very weird. And it doesn't make any sense.

It's not based in science as evidenced by the conception thing, as evidenced by them going like, the thing you were during conception, and then people pointing out like, well, that technically, you just technically did the thing you accused the Democrats of wanting to do is forcing everybody to be trans. It's like, so none of this is grounded in science and you're seeing that from when it starts,

when they start trying to do the thing that they said they would do, you're seeing that it's nonsense and that it also doesn't affect anybody and it's just gonna sit around until someone swaps it back, right? It's just a performance, it's a virtuous signal. That's it.

Yeah, they want like a no more pronouns in bio law. Like that's what they're going for. It's like this weird mishmash of like all the culture war resentment stuff and all the like trans panic things sort of like when you write it, when you try to write it down as a rule, it's very silly and weird. Why are you doing this? It works in the social media sphere as like a thing to rile people up and get like engagement or whatever. But like when you actually like, what would the rule be? Right. Well, that's stupid. You know, like it doesn't so much of this. It only works in like the ginning up frustration and fear part,

not like the codifying things. Sorry, also non-binary people is part of this as well, where it's like, this was just things to make stuff easier, right? Where it's like you're filling out a form and they're just like, what do you want to be called? Like, what the fuck is wrong with asking people that question? That's what they were doing. That's like why, like the Michael Nolces of the Daily Wireverse and what Trump says out

loud is always like, no, we need to get rid of the transgender ideology. Well, that's not what most people think at all, but they're trying to eradicate the whole thing, which is saying that people don't exist. Well, that's what so much of this is. It's like, one, it's not an ideology, but two, you are trying to make law people's minds and culture in places where you don't live.

You're not going to be able to legislate away the fact that people like living in a big city and having all kinds of different kinds of food and different races and events to go to and stuff. You can't take that away. This is who people are. This is what people like to do. And you're trying to executive order like, nope, you're going to go to and stuff. You can't take that away. This is who people are. This is what people like to do. And you're trying to executive order like, nope, you're going to go to a county fair in Missouri and eat hot dogs. The end. Yeah. No, they're trying to force it. They're very authoritarian.

You can do that for so long. You can force people to live in a society like that, but that tends to lead to terrible societies that break not just themselves, but other nations around them. Hopefully we don't get to that point, but like that is what they want to do. They want to ignore the fact that people are individuals and people have all kinds of experiences and thoughts and desires and all these sorts of things. And they want to get rid of all of that and say, you live life like this. And it's only, you know, I don't know. Well, this is, I'm sorry, it's a deviation, but the, the, I, the concept they're cramming it down our throats, right? I,

just personally speaking, I grew up in an area that had a, I knew a lot of trans people actually before I hit 20. They were just people in my life. Not a huge amount, but like a handful of trans people either as close friends or like students. They were, they were people like some of them were assholes. Some of them were really nice, just human beings, I generally don't care. What I mean by that is I don't care if someone's trans. It doesn't interest me, right? It never interested me.

It was like, what do you want me to call you? That's great. I don't give a shit. I had to start giving a shit because of what they've done, because they started taking away these people's rights. I was perfectly happy to just exist and let trans people exist. That idea of like they're cramming it down our throats,

it's like no motherfucker, you crammed it down my throat. Exactly. Now it like takes up a big portion of what I'm thinking about. And it's like you made me have to give a shit. I wanna live in a world where I don't have to give a shit. Yeah, people can. Yeah, and that's half the reason why people

are even irritated about the conversation at all. They're like, I don't know, it's all anybody talks about. This is, you know. It's all who talks about. It's all they talk about. So we have to talk about it in response because these people are real and exist

and deserve to dignity and respect as themselves. That's what it is. It's like when we have Parker Malloy on the show and she talks about, I am always labeled a trans activist when I get interviewed, but I'm just a media writer and I just wanna talk about the media. I wish I didn't have to talk about trans issues every week, but you won't stop attacking us.

Right, exactly. Like if you're in a room and you see a group of people getting attacked, it's like, well, I didn't wanna get involved, but I guess I'm going to have to get involved. Wait, stop that. Right, right. That's really what it comes down to. All right, immigration and border stuff.

He declared a national emergency at the US-Mexico border. Blurg. DHS and DOD have to build more border barriers. He shut down the CBP One app, which helped asylum seekers book appointments with immigration officials. Is that going to make things worse, harder? Yeah, remain in Mexico, back in place. Don't promise. I'm kidding.

And this one's... I mean, they're all screwed up. This one's especially screwed up. He suspended resettlements as part of the US refugee admissions program. There were 1,600 refugees from Afghanistan who were ready to come and had their flights canceled. These are family members of active US military personnel It includes individuals in Afghanistan that helped the US in Afghanistan and now fear reprisal from the Taliban I mean we promised them. Yes. Yeah. Yeah again. How does it help anybody? How does it help you?

Listening we're never getting to Elon which is good. Fuck that guy. He's a Nazi There's a this element of all these things that is very frustrating to watch. Where it's just all those things you said, Jonathan, seem bad and like not actually what people like want to happen. And I saw this it's like a Fox and Friends, I think with Jessica Tarlov, who's like just doing her best out there on Fox and Friends. friends, I think with Jessica Tarlov, who's like just doing her best out there on Fox and Friends talking about this specific thing with these Afghan refugees and talking about like, weren't you like when Biden pulled out of Afghanistan talking about how like we've abandoned these people and like he did such a bad job and look, we're like we're leaving these people to like twist in the wind and all this stuff.

Weren't you upset about that? But now you're cheering this on. So you don't actually believe in anything. And of course, Greg Gutfeld is like, well, this is what people voted for. I'm not saying it's good or bad. I'm saying the reality and the facts, which is that they voted for it, which first of all,

no, they didn't actually, they didn't vote for that to happen. But it's just this sort of like, I don't have an opinion actually. I'm not supposed to, I'm not, I call balls and strikes. I just say what is happening. I don't say whether I think it's good or bad and it's just so pathetic. Similar to probably people who were championing

a TikTok ban when that was important to Donald Trump. Same thing. And now it's like, thank you Donald Trump for saving our app. Believe you nothing. It's good. What else, Jonathan? What else we got?

Jesus. OK, and the environment. It's not going to be good for the environment. He rescinded a Biden order that protects some Alaskan coastal areas from oil drilling, removed us again from the Paris Climate Agreement, suspended all offshore wind leasing in federal waters because they kill the birds and creates the cancer, whatever. He hates those windmills.

It does not cause cancer. That was for whales. Oh, that was for whales. That one was for whales. Okay. That he cares about. But not sharks. Winds was about whales?

Yeah, the wind. I think it affects whales because whales are very sensitive to sound and Yeah, the wind, I think it affects whales, because whales are very sensitive to sound and stuff and the currents and I think it messes them up. He cares about the birds too. Oh yeah, but this is being framed as it's for the whales because... Oh, I see.

One thing on this is that he's declared a national energy emergency, and I believe that is to allow us to drill baby drill, to quote him. However, we are not. In a national energy emergency, no, Biden to some people should grin, drilled quite a bit, actually, he did. We're a big oil producer, I think more than we have ever been, actually-hmm fact check me in the world or something. Yeah

Drilling there were some leases that were not honored and canceled but lots of drilling lots of drilling So maybe we're actually sitting pretty we are you finally funny? and depressing that The Paris climate agreement. It's just like, okay, so every four years, every eight years, we're just like, we're back in, we're now, oh, we're back in. Same with the World Health Organization, we go back in, we leave, we're back in, folks.

Some of this stuff is just petty. I think the prescription drug one, I think it's just because Biden did it, where he ended that order, which just asks Medicare, hey, look at ways to lower drug costs. Maybe we can negotiate this. Maybe we impose a monthly out-of-pocket cap on generic drugs.

And Trump was like, don't look into that anymore. Yeah, we're not looking into that. And they're like, cool, we weren't doing it anyway. He revoked security clearances of his former national security adviser, John Bolton, which I think is kind of funny, and former intelligence officials who signed a letter discrediting the Hunter Biden laptop story, just to be petty. Yeah, and to, again, punish people, to tell people like, violence is okay in my name,

and if you dare try to inflict reality on me, and like, I will punish you, you know, like it's sending a message. Yeah. Oh my gosh, you guys. So let me ask you guys something. If you were trying to, if you were telling people my heart goes out to you and you were telling them this not in the context of sympathy, the way like you would say my heart goes out to you if that you'd lost an uncle or something you're thanking them for something

So you're saying my heart goes out to you. How would you? If you were doing that in a gesture, how would you do that? Oh, you'd place your hands Not this is your heart. I do the Nazis. Yeah, and then if there's a crowd Yeah, I would try to make eye contact and then how Hitler. I'd probably how Hitler first and then I would do this. Yeah. He also, I have to note, he also said, you're ensuring our survival. Yeah, I did.

There's something around that. Civilization survival, yeah. Yeah, it almost felt like he was saying like the 14 words in a weird way. He knew exactly what he was doing. There's just no way to argue your way out of it. Do I think that that means that he would want to kill all the Jewish people?

I don't really know, although I guess maybe, but he certainly knew what he was doing. And I think the most charitable interpretation is he's trying to bring his Twitter trolling to the world stage and See how much it pisses people off But it does piss people off and I know that I'm gonna sound like a broken record and some of you are pissed off But I get no I sincerely I've talked to a lot of people about this and they're all horrified. Yeah, it was horrifying

Okay It's great some of that's breaking through. I still see various centrist pundits and conservative pundits in that media sphere being like, obviously the terrible comparisons to other moments that are still photos of things that aren't to the Nazi salute. I hate that. People talking about his neurodivergence made him awkward. He's such an awkward guy.

He's always awkward. No, his awkwardness made him more clearly do it. The goal there, as he is, he changed his name to like Keckiest Maximus a few weeks ago. Like he's just a 4chan troll. And one of the things that they like to do is wink at Nazism to troll the libs, to watch them freak out about it. That's what he was doing. That's what he did it. That's why it happened. He practiced in front of the mirror to like watch them freak out about it. That's what he was doing, that's what he did it, that's why it happened. He practiced in front of the mirror

to get plausible deniability, like I'll do it like this. Hey X, X, watch me, watch me do my Nazi salute. Is it good? Thank you, son. I'm sure there are DMs between him and end wokeness about like you know what you should do. End wokeness, jackposobic, or I'm like, maybe Rogan, he was like, would it be funny if I did this? You know, like they're-

Rogan would say no though, I think. I mean, Rogan's defending it now, saying like, you're all, you're everyone, you think everyone's Hitler, so boy, you cried wolf, you fucking idiot. But that's why he did it. He even had a tweet earlier today that, context-less, when I see the troll emoji, troll emoji,

it's like looking in the mirror. That's his statement He didn't make a statement about it. He didn't say like sorry it came off as this. It's his random tweet That's his official statement. Well. He also happened tweeted these Like Nazi puns yes, we said the Nazi puns gurgles anything down stop gore in your enemies his pronouns would have been he Himmler actually laughing about cheek. Cry laughing about cheek. I'm sure you have a wonderful writer's room for all of that. I actually feel nauseous.

But. It's just like, I don't know if he thinks he's clever with that stuff. Yeah, for me, it's just so simple, which is like, like someone, I saw a tweet that was really good was just like, oh, if you think it's innocent, do it at work tomorrow. Yep, that's the best one. And that's what it comes down to, which is like, he did a Nazi salute, guys.

I don't care what's in his heart. If it was an accident, he should come out and apologize and say that was an accident. Otherwise, in a decent world, everybody would say, well, you can't, everybody would call for his resignation. He would step down from Twitter. He would step down from his fucking doge position. Trump would demand his resignation and say, you didn't like that's, it's not really a matter of like, did he mean it? Whatever. It's just like, did he apologize? No? Is he just running with it?

All right, well you're gone then. I don't know. And if he was in the wrong position, you'll get fired for criticizing him. A CBS affiliate meteorologist in Milwaukee got fired for criticizing him on your Instagram. And of course nobody in the mainstream media, which hates Donald Trump and Elon Musk,

of course is defending it or not touching it at all. Awkward gesture. NBC cut it out. It's just frustrating to see people not buy into the lie, but knowingly participate in the lie. If you watch the clip, just show the clip. I think that's one of the most effective things you can do.

Because you're gonna see like, oh, tweets and like, oh, he's this, he's awkward watch it watch it and say it's awkward the awkward thing as I was like alluding to is that he did he did it too much he practiced it he's like I'm gonna do it like this but it was too obvious because he's an alien so he couldn't do the even do the joke but the fact even if it's a joke and then you talked about exactly or Laura Ingraham Yeah, I know But even like a little better covered up a little a little bit

But even you know, we've talked about all of his boosting of Nazis They're talking points literally them their accounts all this kind of stuff. So that's the context But even if it's just a joke what you're doing is normalizing the use of the Nazi salute in America. Andrew Tate literally came out with a video like the next day, like we should all be doing it and he did it. And like you're, it's bad.

It's bad that he did it as a joke. It's bad that he did it if he meant it. And those are the only two options. Yes, yes, that's the Yes, it's not an accident. If it was an accident, you would apologize and say I'm horrified. You wouldn't be like, I love trolling everybody. Look at me, I'm such a meme lord.

No, you're not the apologize. You're an adult. I hate him. That's the thing, he's an adult. I know that Hollywood Reporter bit about it, one of the few media outlets to call him out, was talking about on the playground, if a kid did that, they might not know why, they just think it's funny.

They would still be punished for it, for them to understand why it's bad. I don't know, for me, it's just... This is part of the helplessness, the feeling that we're on our own, because it's like, I don't know, man. I spent a lot of time at punk shows, skinhead shows that would often have Nazis who would try to show up, and it was a very basic idea, is if a Nazi showed up, you'd show them the door, and that was that.

I was at a guar show, and a guy took off his shirt, swastika on his chest, he was gone 30 seconds later, from like, he was gone. He was ejected by the crowd, by the bouncers, by everybody. It doesn't fucking matter really. It's a Nazi. It's a Nazi thing. You're doing a Nazi thing. And so the fact that there's like not this immediately people ejecting it just to me says like, okay, we're on our own then. Like again, like, okay, if they're not kicking the Nazi out, then we have to do it ourselves. That's what it comes down to to me where it's

like, I don't know what else to say. What did Trump's not saying, Oh, get him out of here. He did the Nazi salute. Oh, he was joking. Who gives a fuck if the media isn't covering it that way? Then it's like, oh, OK, we're really twisting in the wind here. We have to rely on each other. Yeah. Yeah. The narrative is it might just very well move on. And like people who know will know.

But like it might be like, yeah, it was an accident or like he didn't mean it. And that's that. That's that. And there's nothing to be done funny joke to do a Nazi salute at the inauguration of a Objectively right-wing demagogue like of all the places to do it. That's the joke I guess Hilarious, it's really funny But seriously just like I've like I think it's so effective to just like if someone's arguing with you

Just toast the clip. It's only a second and a half. It's him doing a Nazi salute twice At this point I I'm just not willing to have the debate is like if you if someone is trying to excuse for it Just be like wow. I didn't know you were to I've written so many people off like yeah You are you're like it, you're pathetic, and it's sad for you. I don't know what else to do.

I can't be bogged down with, did he or didn't he? Yeah. Yeah, and here we are. Yeah, we're talking about it. And that's the thing. That's part of it. He's like, well, I'll distract them and get them talking about it and make them look foolish.

X, I'm going to make them look so foolish by being a Nazi on stage. Yeah. Would you like to play Polytopia with me? We did it. We talked about executive orders and the Nazi thing, but not a lot of other. This is 11 page document we had

and we didn't get to it all. Golf of America. But it'll keep coming. The hits keep coming. The hits will keep coming. It just is what it is. I hope this wasn't too depressing for everybody. I'm really appreciative of everybody

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