Some More News - Even More News: The New Pope Hates JD Vance, And With Good Cause

Episode Date: May 9, 2025

Hi. Comedy writer and producer Sabeeh Jameel joins Katy, Cody, and Jonathan to talk about the new pope hating JD Vance, MAGA donating $750,000 to a lady for being racist, Pete Hegseth's not-so-subtle admission about the trans military ban, and Trump voters' complicated feelings about their loved ones being deported. Get the world's news at https://ground.news/SMN to compare coverage and see through biased coverage. Subscribe for 40% off unlimited access through our link.PATREON: https://patreon.com/somemorenewsMERCH: https://shop.somemorenews.comYOUTUBE MEMBERSHIP: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvlj0IzjSnNoduQF0l3VGng/joinSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hi, hello and welcome back to Even More News, the first and only news podcast. My name is Katie Stoll. Thank you, Katie Stoll. Thank you, podcast. Thank you, America. Thank you, the globe. And thank you especially to me, Cody, for being here. Hi, Katie Stoll. Thank you, podcast. Thank you, America. Thank you, the Globe. And thank you, especially to me, Cody, for being here. Hi, I'm Cody. Especially to Cody and also to this week's guest.

Very excited to welcome comedy writer, producer, and new some more news writer, Sabeej Amil. Hi guys, hello. Thanks for coming. Of course, happy to Jamil. Hi guys, hello. Thanks for coming. Of course, happy to be here. Jonathan is also here. Jonathan's also here. Hi.

I did actually almost forget that time. I was wondering why, I was like, surely you're gonna say it. Thank you podcast. I forgot, I forgot that he was also here. Ooh, I'm gonna get canceled. No quicker way to get canceled in this fandom than to forget to briefly reference my existence. Yeah, but then I can crowdfund off of that cancelation. Oh sure, we'll get to that.

So we'll get to that. Holidays, we do have holidays today. Of course we do. Every day is a fucking holiday. Friday, May 9th, National Sleepover Day. What this is from Bear Minerals. Okay, Bear Minerals and Cosmopolitan created National Sleepover Day as a holiday

to celebrate spontaneous sleepovers and Bear Minerals original and Matt Foundation. What? You have to say the whole name of the product, Katie. Okay, Matt Foundation Broad Spectrum, SBF 15, in their newest claim, makeup so pure you can sleep in it. This is wild. You know, you're on a sleepover, but you're

celebrating the sleepover by using a bare minerals foundation that you can sleep in, which I guess is something you can't do with other makeup. I don't know. You're not supposed to. I do it all the time. I don't know why you need SPF 15 at night while you're asleep. You don't. But it does do that. And I'm gonna be honest, there are other makeups

with a higher SPF content in them, like a nice CC balm with SPF 25 even. You know what? It's fine. This is dumb. The next holiday. It's not great. I have to mention, go to, sorry everybody, if you like sleepovers, go to Tommy Bayer Time,

his Twitter account. He's a writer for Reductress. There's a sketch he posted today, and it's a bunch of guys who live in a house calling their landlord to see if their friend Matt can sleep over. It's incredibly funny. It's a bunch of guys who live in a house calling their landlord to see if their friend Matt can sleep over. It's incredibly funny. It's a really good bit just to bring some joy

to this national sleepover day. Go watch a funny video. This next holiday though, I'm chomping at the bit to get to, cause it's my day. Saturday, May 10th. I'm champing at the bit to see what it says. Is it champing or chomping?

It's champing, but no one. I thought it was chomping, makes sense everywhere. I only say it's champing when a bit to see what it says. Is it champing or chomping? It is, yeah. It's champing, but no one. I thought it was chomping, but it makes sense. I only say it's champing when someone's chomping to be annoying. Did it work? So obnoxious. Anyway, my day, National Dog Moms Day. Come here, Benny, come here.

Okay, come here. Oh no, he's running away. I'm really glad we switched this to a visual medium or added that aspect to this. Hi, Benny. Hi, this is Benny. To all our listeners, there's a little, furry little guy named Benny, and he is... Confused. Confused.

I mean, very on camera. Very generous of us to think that this is not on the digital cutting room floor already. It's not on the boss. This is good stuff. We're keeping it. Okay, baby, that was enough. But I have to talk about why this exists, because National Dog Moms Day was created

by Dig, the dog person's dating app, which doesn't exist anymore. And if you go to their website, digdates.com, you're redirected to betterlook.ai, which you upload your dating profile photos and it uses AI to make them more clickable. So increases your swipe rights by 35%. 35%? So if you did wanna be on the dog person's dating app,

you're now being suckered into AI-ing your photos to make you look, I don't know, like you're getting a cappuccino more. I don't know what makes a photo more appealing. Anyway, just fuck that. Wait, so they make AI photos of yourself? You, I think you give them photos and then they change the background and update your face.

Oh yeah, this is evil. So they're showing- It sounds terrible. Sorry, they're showing like photos of like, oh, here's a selfie. And then they just take his image and put him in another place with a different pose and different lighting doing different activities. This is just a lying app.

This is just for lying. Are there any holidays this week that don't require me uploading my credit card information or being a consumer of any kind? Most of these holidays are in fact scams. I mean, they're selling you something very few or just people creating the holiday out of the goodness of their heart. Sabi, this is the part of the show where we chat

and get to know our guests a little bit. Welcome, thank you again for being here. I don't know if the audience knows that you have a lot of experience in writing for late night shows. We're curious, the rapid fire news, is your brain just kind of primed for a real quick monologue joke?

Are you reading the news and crafting things? You're able to entertain yourself in that way? Yeah, like what's the thing that I might, like American Pope, like immediately, like, oh, Chicago, like, you know, he's gonna give away deep dishes at communion. Yeah. You know, that kind of stuff.

Chicago being like a holy city. Yeah, there was that news earlier in the week, you know, it was like, oh, Trump's having like a big like Middle East policy announcement this week. And I was like, oh, I wonder what it's gonna be. Then I saw American Pope was like, oh, I guess the it's gonna be. Then I saw American Pope was like, oh, I guess the Crusades are back. So, you know, there's-

Look at you go on the spot and everything. Look at me go. Yeah, I mean, all of those, everything I just said, there's like a better version of it already on IG from some person who is working like a, I don't know, like a marketing job during the day. Right, yeah. There was that guy who just tweeted like 50 kind of monologue jokes based on the news

every day and then years after years of doing this sued Conan when like two of them vaguely resembled stuff that he had posted to his Twitter account that no one looked at and had like no likes or anything. Did it win? Surely that didn't work. No, it got thrown out of court because it's like of course people are going to come up Stuff that he had posted to his Twitter account that no one looked at and had like no Like anything surely Got thrown out of court because it's like of course people are gonna come up with the same Kind of style of joke, but he thought he was gonna be able to make a lot of money by if you post enough Monologue jokes, it's gonna be close enough to a financial you'll catch somebody. Yeah, like that's No, it's do nice try speaking of that a big Middle East announcement that turned out to be about a

Trade deal with the UK right or is that a separate announcement? Oh, is that? I think it might have been I don't know. I think that was the big announcement that they made. Oh Not like anything about the Middle East. I think I know there was yeah, that's the wrong continent, right? Yeah I don't think I don't think this I don't think those are related, but the trade it doesn't really Wasn't it only like one of the 10% ones instead of a hundred percent ones and also the president I mean, I know we just kind of ignore this but the president can't make trade deals like it's not part of what the president Does well sounds like you gotta go tweet at the president. I guess I should at him and let him know. It's actually the biggest news of the year.

Very positive with I believe he said with a very respected country, which I thought was really funny. It's like our first trade deal announcement with a very respected nation, by the way. Excuse me, sir. It's not part of your purview to make trade deals. We have got a lot to get through today, but first some breaking news. Some holy news. As Arnie referenced, we do have a new pope, and by we, I don't include myself. Sure.

But people have a new pope. Some unknown group of people have a new pope. Certain people have a new pope. His name is Robert Prevost. He's from Chicago. He has selected the name Pope Leo XIV. You know, it's the pope stuff, positives and negatives. Positives is he doesn't like JD Vance, or at least tweeted once that JD Vance was wrong,

that you rank groups of people that you care about. Your hierarchy of compassion, yeah. Yeah, the hierarchies of compassion are not a thing. But there's some concerns about the LGBTQ plus community. He has said, here's a quote, he lamented that Western news media and popular culture fostered quote sympathy for beliefs and practices that are at odds with the gospel. He specifically mentioned the homosexual lifestyle and alternative families comprised of same sex partners and their adopted children.

So like, mixed bag here. and alternative families comprised of same-sex partners and their adopted children. So, like... Oh, mixed bag here. Yeah, mixed bag. So, Hayt and JD Vance, but a little Matt Walsh in there, too. Great. We got the whole range. Interesting to have, like, the first pope that was on Twitter and social media, like, before they were pope.

So, we can actually, like... Everything you just mentioned, like, everything I learned about this person is just from like their social media history and like the Snoopy memes or whatever they've been they reposted like when they were just like a citizen. Yeah it's very it's it's weird. I've seen a lot of people be like this is like it's like a new cast member for SNL. Let's go through their their tweets to make sure they didn't say anything bad. I will say I as as as a Leo Born on the 14th who also hates JD Vance

I do feel very holy today Just saying just saying like maybe thank you very much I could be I'm Pope like I guess if you if you remember the bad stuff that Jonathan said I don't I don't agree with That stuff would would I mean what name would you choose? I guess it has to be one of the names like how many different names could there possibly be? There's Leo. There's John Paul. There's pious, which is weird not pious pious But the other pious if I'm the Pope I can do whatever I want right so I can just say like Cody the first The Pope has an article to that allows him to do whatever he wants So it could be just Ted the first I'd have first. I'd have to look at a list.

I'm not well-versed in all the. I always think of like Pope Innocent, which I think was a name used a lot more a while ago. But now I'm like, you can't really use that name anymore. People think it's ironic. Yeah, it's very silly. It's too silly these days. You can't do that.

You can't be doing that. It's absurd. Congratulations to's too silly these days. You can't do that. You can't be doing that. It's absurd. Congratulations to that guy. And me. And you, Cody. And Cody. Thank you.

And the new Cody. Yeah. Okay, great. Congratulations, Tal. All right. Let's get into non-Pope news. So there was a woman in Minnesota. She was in a dispute with someone at a playground. I guess she thought that

a five-year-old black boy had taken something from her diaper bag. Not really clear exactly what happened. But anyway, on the video, she's being called out by another man for calling the five-year-old the N-word, and then she defended her use of it, using it several more times. People quickly found out who she was, and in the ensuing week, she has been given, I'm sure it's updated by now, let's go to her Give Send Go page, $755,000 has been donated. That is so much money.

That's absurd. You might know this. I try to not dig too deep into these stories whenever they happen, because they happen a lot, and it's a pattern of the right for a long time to sort of defend this kind of stuff and support it. It didn't seem like she needed the money for anything. It seemed to me like, it wasn't like, oh, and then she got a fire for everything, like lost

this, lost this. It seems like this happened. And she went online like, give me money for this. Yeah, here's what it says. I am asking for your help to assist in protecting my family. I fear that we must relocate. I have two small children who do not deserve this. We've been threatened to the extreme by people online.

Anything will help. We cannot and will not live in fear. Clearly, the donations are just in support of what she said and did, or the ostensibly like, well, we don't think people should be canceled for indiscretions or for their worst moments. But she is also just not apologetic at all. Right, she's not apologetic, and she wasn't canceled. It was just like, look at this. Right, she's not apologetic and she wasn't canceled.

It was just like, look at this awful woman, right? If anything proves the point that what even is canceling, because you will always find a group of people there to support you, especially in the anti-woke crusades. But this just further proves that point as if we didn't already know it. But it seems like this situation specifically might be bringing that whole conversation, I don't know if it'll effectively bring it to a boiling point.

But just looking at the different responses, Matt Walsh and Ben Shapiro have very different takes on this. Ben Shapiro taking the stance of, stop giving your money to crappy people. I guess that is the takeaway that's interesting. Ben Shapiro still is incapable of calling her what she is, which is a racist. He always does that specific thing where he's like,

it's just not crappy, stop supporting crappy people. No, she's a racist, she was racist. She's a bigot. No, that's a racist. She was racist. She's a bigot. No, that's a valid and fair and true point. It's like, even when he has an opinion, he's like, that seems wrong. He still can't bring himself to be straightforward about it.

I find that interesting. Part of it is also just, I mean, how much the culture shifted. Even five years ago, like May 2020 was the Central Park Karen, I think Amy Cooper. Yeah. Who if that had happened today, she would be like a millionaire four years ago. Like Ashley Babbitt, like, you know, people were going to jail for January 6th.

And now I think they're like the Babbitt family is getting like a 30 million settlement or something. 30 million. Which I mean, just in a short amount of time, like it's, I mean, America's always sort of been a great place to do business if you're a racist, but I mean, now it's like, Yeah. Yeah, it's really transparent now.

Oh, yeah, so obvious. It's such a cottage. It's just like, there's that woman who just randomly said the N-word in like a TikTok or whatever, and now she's just like, oh, I guess I'm gonna be a conservative influencer where I'm just racist, and I say the R word a lot.

It is just a decently solid career move these days. It is, disgusting. And when I first was aware peripherally of this story, I lost, I didn't know that it was a little boy. When I first was aware peripherally of this story, I didn't know that it was a little boy. Not that it would have been okay if it was a grown man, but it's just so worse. It's so disgusting. Gross.

Jonathan, you've highlighted this particular sentence from her statement, and I think it's really says it all and Would you mind reading this? Well? Yeah, this is from her her give send go page She says I recently had a kid steal from my 18 month old son's diaper bag at a park Here's the third sentence of her description I called the kid out for what he was, and then another man who we recently found out has had a history with law enforcement

proceeded to record me and followed me to my car. I mean, this is as blatant as it gets. I called the kid out for what he was, and then on the video, the guy's like, did you say this? And I think she says, well, if he's gonna act like one. Mm-hmm, that is what she said. So it is this idea of we're going to reward anti-social behavior because it's going to trigger the left, because it's anti-woke,

even if people find it abhorrent, although they had to kind of take down the comments on her Give, Send, Go page because people were saying white power and just other – Of course they were. – horrible racist things. But instead of kind of analyzing what has happened to segments of the right to make this palatable, I read this article on the Free Press, Guy River Page. He does start by saying like, she's bad, we shouldn't give her money, this is bad. But then he writes, in some sense, this story is a decade in the making and it starts with the zealotry of the left

Not the right the past decade is filled with tales of people who were wrongfully canceled in the fervor of what people like to call the woke era as I wrote earlier this year the Excesses of the left canceling all those innocent Americans has triggered an equal and opposite reaction on the right Which has become more and more extreme in railing against cancel culture. And I don't want to, like, go off on too deep a tangent here, but the two examples of tales of people who were wrongfully canceled, one is Amy Cooper, the Central Park Karen.

He just says, like, she was wrongfully canceled for being yelled at in the park, fails to mention that she specifically said, I'm gonna call the police and tell them that a black man is harassing me. Like that's what she did. Yeah, she threatened his life is what she did. And then the other case is like a very local case that may be a misunderstanding

where some kids tied a noose on the playground and it became a big deal in Evanston, Illinois. They might not have known like what the new symbolizes but certainly not one of the most well-known tales of people who were wrongfully canceled during this era. There was a period where there was a lot of pearl clutching and worry and maybe some of it too, some of it's fair I don't mean to dismiss it outright if you've got a young kid at school there was a period of time for like one school year where I felt like there were a lot of stories of kids using

that against each other, like trying to hurt each other in that environment. And I think it's valid to acknowledge that and also say that that doesn't mean that this is bad calling people out on their behavior, but maybe there's a way to healthily have a conversation about it. I mean, I've dealt with a lot of frustrating toddlers, but it's never occurred to me to be openly, like, clan level racist about it, double down on it, and then be lucrative about just how awful I'm treating this toddler, so.

Proudly, it's like, that's the thing, it's like, it's just so gross, and we have no, like, there's no, it is this very just anti-social rewards for people. And it's been happening for a long time, obviously. And it's getting, it has been getting worse, but like they're like, the right is very anti-social and they do seem to support this kind of stuff. Some to like just make the left mad, but like, I don't know. It's, it's just a very...

It's gross and it signals to people that this is what they can do. If rents do, just go get caught saying the slur, and you will have the president's minions give you money. Matt Walsh, by the way, his video is titled How the Shilohendricks Case Killed Cancel Culture. It's his, he weaves his way is titled, how the Shiloh Hendricks case killed cancel culture. Like it's his, like he weaves his way into it. And he also was like, what she did is bad. Don't do that.

But it's the free press argument. It's like, what do you expect after how crazy the left is? Look what you made us do. And what I think is really insidious, well, because if you go on her page, it's all anonymous giver, anonymous giver. And then some people change their name to something racist. I think a lot of people are like,

oh, in a moment of anger, this could happen to me. I could very well do this. A gamer moment. And I have to like, we have to build a defense against it. As if it's cancel culture to be like, what the hell's wrong with you? Like, I don't know where she works. I don't know if she's been fired or what the deal is.

We wouldn't be talking about this if she hadn't gotten $750,000. Right. But you know, or her talking about, you know, my eldest child may not be going back to school, bringing in the effects of her own actions. You are a bad parent. You are bad with children.

If your reaction to a little boy coming up to you is to call him an, that is not a motherly sounding woman, but this is just the repercussions of her own actions and it's worked out well for her. Yeah, also it's like when you do this kind of stuff, it's like one of those things that you see that and she's casually saying this stuff with her child in her arms.

And you just assume like, oh, so this is just like how you are. This isn't like the, this isn't the only time you've talked like this. I don't know, it's gross. Executive orders. They're almost like laws, except they're not. Like, at all.

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Let's see what we got here. Depressing, depressing. This is depressing, that's depressing. I mean, the Supreme Court earlier this week allowed the Trump administration's ban on transgender military service members to stay in effect or to go back into effect while all the litigation plays out. The short order didn't really say anything about the merits of the case, though it noted

that the three liberal justices would have denied the application to lift the ban while it plays out. So there's no guarantee that this is going to be the verdict forever. But it seems likely that when they do actually weigh in on the merits of the case, they're going to allow this to happen, despite it, of course, blatantly violating the 14th Amendment. Yeah, they seem to have no regard for specifically

the 14th Amendment. They don't like that one. In so many cases, they really. They don't like that one. In so many cases, they really, really don't like it. They're doing a little trickery to try to get around it. They say, we're not discriminating against trans people. We just added gender dysphoria as one of the medical conditions that can preclude serving in the armed forces.

And you all agree that there are certain medical conditions that means you can't serve. So that's not violating anything. But then Pete Hegseth tweeted, no more trans at DOD. And then he said in a speech, We are leaving wokeness and weakness behind. No more pronouns, no more climate change obsession, no more emergency vaccine mandates,

no more dudes in dresses. We're done with that shit. So maybe that will be brought up to the court eventually. Maybe that's compelling evidence that maybe they're kind of being dishonest about their argument. Yeah. It's kind of proven the whole point. He's a bad person, isn't he? He's a very villain-coded, just like aesthetically, every single thing.

Yeah. Also, just worth noting, Department of Health and Human Services released a report, the Treatment for Pediatric Gender Dysphoria. It's a review of evidence and best practices. This was issued following Trump's executive order, protecting children from chemical and surgical mutilation. Remember that one. It's hard to remember everything that's happened in these heady 106 days. But essentially this report is saying, first off, it's not a scientific report. It was at the

behest of an order. It has a clear goal that they're trying to obviously predetermined and looking for research to support that. But basically calling into question gender affirming care for kids and essentially recommending what can be called as conversion therapy, exploratory therapy is what they are suggesting. Supports the use of psychotherapeutic approaches. And it's just really terrifying how fast this is all happening, is I guess my point. And this specifically

feels like it can even make waves, because there's so much. We didn't even have time with all the news going over, happening to go over what happened in the UK very recently about their decision, biological women. It's just a really, really disgusting time to be alive, isn't it? It's upsetting. This UK ruling basically said the legal definition of the word woman excludes trans women. That was a unanimous five-nothing ruling in the UK. They said it's not gonna increase discrimination, but it is discriminatory ruling. And listen, the right wing, as much as they can, is going to try to keep this as an issue so that their base doesn't realize that they're paying three times as much for stuff and that they're deporting American

citizens and stuff like that. I don't think it's gonna work forever. These things kind of like fade and change, especially once enough innocent people get attacked, including cis women, you know, being accosted in bathrooms and what have you. It does seem like every day, every week, there's more of like, wait, what? Like, why are you doing this?

Like just sort of the toxicity of the right is bubbling up and over and it's so unappealing to a lot of people. And like you're saying, like yeah, more attacks on cis women, more attacks on trans women, more like just all like all this very like gross targeted stuff, even like Nancy Mace every day just like doing her little bathroom pageantry It's like what like I love trans people simply for the fact that I never have to find out when they go to the bathroom But I can tell you like I get a notification every time Nancy Mace has to go take a dump

And she had that alone like I mean, I think the the band on the military is I think that's gonna be like the first real Noticeable because I think it's a it's a big number, I think that's gonna be like the first real noticeable because I think it's a big number, right? It's like a couple thousand. I think yeah, 4,000 at least. It's a noticeable number where like, you know, I think athletes, you know, people don't notice it as much. It seems like a disproportionate focus, but you know, if you actually attack like recruiting

numbers and stuff like that, like, I don't know, it seems very dumb. Can't imagine a world where I would ever want to be in the military, but for whomever made that choice for whatever their personal reasons are, making a plan for your life, for your career, for your education perhaps, and to have that removed overnight. It's honestly just so gutting to me to think about being targeted in that way. And to how, everybody, you've spent all this time and you've got people that you work with that,

I don't know, perhaps they've become like a family to you, and you're just made othered and made to leave. Yeah, and it's also like the start of, you know, and as they all make it so clear, every Hexeth tweet, every tweet of any of these freaks about trans people, it's the military ban thing is the easier thing for them to do first because their goal, as many of them say out loud all the time, is the eradication

of transgenderism. What they want to do is make people go into hiding or stop existing in public space, stop allowing them to participate in society. So you chip away from the military, like, okay, we legally were able to do that. And it's going to keep, and then sports and then bathrooms and all these public facing spaces, they are going to continue to push and push and push people out of that so that they aren't considered like part of society.

They don't want you to be allowed to be yourself in public. And this is just the start of that. It seems maybe I'm overreacting to the things they constantly say they wanna do. We'll get to some silly stuff soon, I promise. But I wanna talk about Libya real quick because while all the El Salvador stuff is still being litigated,

the Trump administration tried to sneak a bunch of immigrants from Cambodia and Laos in the Philippines to Libya. They were like, they had a flight ready to go. And then lawyers for those immigrants were like, stop, what? Stop, that's illegal. The judges agreed. They said that would violate the restraining order on violating the due process.

Obviously, like all the stuff that we've been talking about. So that has probably been stalled for now. And then when Trump was asked if the administration was trying to send people to Libya, he said, I don't know, which is his like number one thing these days. He says, I don't know to everything. What? Yeah, he's like, ask the DHS, ask Christy

Noem. I don't know. Put her in the Hague, not me. I don't know anything about this. And another group of people or groups of people who don't know about this are apparently the two feuding Libyan governments who both say that this is not, you can't send people to another country, duh, and then it seems like we are picking countries that are known for human rights abuses. We're in conversation with Rwanda. It does seem to be that.

Also, did he not say we wanna, you know, it's good to send him away, we don't want him coming back. It is horrific. It's the thought, we're just leaning into this, I guess. Setting people to places they've never been, to countries where they don't speak the language. We have no recourse for yourself. What the fuck?

Yeah, it's careless and cruel. You know, there was some mentioning chatter of you might start looking into these countries. My brain just washes over it like, maybe not, maybe you. I have to stop thinking that the sneaky reports are outlandish, because they are true. They do want this. This is 100 percent what they want.

Yeah. Trump's second term is a parade of freaks who want to do worse things than they did the first time, and they talk about it all the time. These days, like, we'll take them seriously, not literally. No, we're just gonna listen to what they say and believe it. Like that is- Yeah, you have to take them literally.

When he says, I don't know, I take that literally. He has no idea. He's being lied to or told whatever, or like wants to be kept in the dark. And, you know, obviously we've talked about like, oh yeah, they're gonna be building more prisons to house these people they need to put somewhere because we can't have them here.

Slowly being like, well, actually, what if we just do it? What if we like export that? What if that's one of our biggest exports is like our prisoners or our citizens in some cases. And just like, instead of building the prisons here, we'll just have all over the globe a different, a weird, worse, different kind of empire. It's wild to be able to convince like other countries like Libya to just take like quote unquote deport US citizens who've like never been there before and just like

complete strangers all over the world and build like an international global like prison industrial complex But like you can't be nice to Canada. You can't be nice to the UK Like you can't do like the most basic functions of your job But you're able to like like the amount of thought you put into like doing the most complex like circuitous like evil schemes Yeah, I'm always blown away by like the sheer brain power behind like how like conniving and how weirdly picky these like, like weirdly thought out these schemes are.

But like, you can't just like shake hands with like, like your friends already and just like, I don't know The plan all the way through it's like you're either a dick or like you're a really complex dick. Trump is Running into the same problem that Hitler ran into where the plan was well, we have all these people We don't want them here. I promise to get them out of here. Maybe we can send them to Madagascar I believe was the plan for the Jews and then a bunch of people looked into it and told him My fear we can't that's that what boats how we need boats up here to fight the British where we can't be Shipping people around the poor trying to be Nazis here. We can't be we're trying to be the Nazis here and so then they're like, ah and look I

don't think that Trump is building gas chambers around the world. I don't believe he'll kill millions of people. But he is. In the same way. In the same, no, people are dying for sure. They will rot in these places 100%. These are, it's happening on a mini scale already

all over the place. I do think though that Stephen Miller is gonna concoct some sort of horrible scheme because they are running into the problem. I promised we're gonna deport 10 million, 20 million people and that whatever crazy number I'm making up and it's very, very hard to logistically do that. Hard and expensive.

Hard logistically. Yeah, it to move the infrastructure to do it, but it is unbelievably expensive. That's why they're just hoping the self deportations work. Well, just to highlight what Jonathan was saying, Stephen Miller, of all of them, the most has studied how to legally be Hitler. Like, as close as- It is what he wants.

It's what he wants as close as he can get. So when Trump says, I don't know, it's because he's got a little legal Hitler on his shoulder being like, you don't need to know this, we'll take care of it. We're gonna do it ourselves. I wanted to tie this into another conversation that's been going on, well, this whole time,

but especially the past week. More and more stories about Trump voters having complicated feelings about what is happening, especially in terms of immigration and these deportations. You know, stories of we voted for Trump, but now their son is in a nice deportation or now my baby daddy is being deported.

It's a polarizing conversation and I think it's a complicated one. It's heartbreaking though. And cause you got to, we can get angry about the voting for this man, but at the end of the day, we don't want this to be happening. You know, somebody that's lived there their whole lives came here as a child and has children and is now doesn't know anything else than is being deported and their parents, like

do we villainize them or not? I think that it's an interesting conversation by the difference between sympathy and empathy. I don't necessarily have sympathy for them because this is a situation that they contributed to, but I have a lot of empathy, and it makes, I don't know, I'm curious what your guys' thoughts are because I don't think there's a wrong answer, but, you know, there's a lot of strong feelings about this.

I mean, I've got, I think my, I guess it's complicated and I do, I think I see and agree with your distinction of like sympathy versus empathy and sort of like, that's a horrible thing to happen. That's horrific. It is. We don't want this to happen. And the thing is, we don't want this to happen to anybody.

That's the project, right? We don't want this to be happening. And it is, I will just say that it's extremely frustrating to see these stories continue to happen because for all of the months leading up to this, they had signs saying mass deportations now. And the only way to do that is to do what's going on right now.

And there's so many quotes from like the first Trump term, like that person, like they're not hurting the right people or like, oh, like these stories happened the first time. And so taking the fact that those stories happened the first time before they had mass deportations now signs, now it's ramped up even more. Trump is even more fascist about all of these issues. So to see people be like, I feel betrayed.

Well, people felt betrayed the first time and maybe think about that. But to your main point, like, yeah, it sucks. It's horrible. We don't want this to happen to them. And there's also no like, oh, maybe they'll change their mind now and they'll vote.

The voting happened. it's done. He's the guy, you know? So there's no world where it's like, oh, maybe they'll figure it out. It is important in general that public opinion changes about the man. Exactly, totally, 100%. And the party. But you're correct, the voting is done.

It's too late, you can't undo that. But you can realize these things and get on board and join the loud, loud voices that are saying, this is bad, what is going on. Which, I guess, it's good. This is who we are, but it shouldn't be who we are. And then, so also, I guess, some amount of acknowledgement that they are putting themselves in the position

where they're speaking to news outlets. They're posting about it. of acknowledgement that they are putting themselves in the position where, you know, they're speaking to news outlets, they're posting about it, they are talking about what's happened to them. And so- Oh yeah, well, like whatever their feelings about it even are, like it's a story that they're putting out there for people to see.

Like, oh yeah, people who supported this man, they're being hurt by him too. In this avenue, in all avenues actually, we talk about them pretty regularly. Every single aspect of the government can kind of be looked at through that lens. I think that Trump, and I don't know how he pulled this off, manages to be a different kind of candidate

because all of these voters put on him what they thought he would do. He was just this blank slate. He hadn't been president before or they just had vague memories and they said, well, I have this idea that he's going after the criminals, of which I believe there's this amorphous number because the media told me so. He's gonna go after them. There's no way he's gonna go after people I love or care about. The media has helped him craft this image because Joe Biden, they all know, they're like, well Joe Biden opened up the border and let 20 million people in, period. People forgot about like what the deal that he offered that Republicans were told to not take by Trump.

Also, the public opinion on immigration flips. When Trump was president and he did this stuff the first time, support for immigration went way up. And Biden gets into office and he says, "'Okay, people wanna path to citizenship "'and they wanna make it easier "'so it's not chaos at the border. "'So I'll do this app, right,

"'where everyone can make their asylum claims on the app. And then, of course, you know, Fox News ramps it up, right, and they get vilified, and now they want something completely different. And I just think, I mean, if Democrats are ever in office again, they can't take the bait, but Trump has this magic ability that people believed that he was who they thought he would be. So of course, I mean, I do feel bad for these people. I don't think they're evil. I just think they didn't listen to us because they don't listen to us.

And I hope their loved ones get out of this. Yeah, it's that thing of like, you know, people always, you always hear the word like the phrase Trump derangement syndrome. And like that's used to describe how, you know, oh, liberals, people on the left, they'll always see the worst in Trump, no matter what he does, no matter what good thing he does. When it's really, I mean, it's the opposite,

like the real derangement is like, you always see the absolute good in this, like whatever good qualities you can attach to them, they're not there, but like you're always gonna, that's like the actual derangement. And that's why I'm like... I feel bad for the voters to support from, but come 2026, 2028, all the ads will be, Trans Kids, Gas is High, whatever. There'll be a new caravan.

Yeah, there'll be a new caravan right there'll be a new caravan like right on schedule like August September whatever the October surprises like won't matter yeah that you know most of these most of these voters will you know stay pretty loyal in that camp yeah that's what that's what he's cultivated over it's yeah he's been very effective at getting that that 30% of America cult. These people being deported that didn't expect to get deported. Just in general, we hear that someone who's been here for 20 years has grown up here 15 years, however long. But all of this is framed as if Biden let them all in. As if there wasn't also more and more people

coming to the border during Trump's first administration. As if it hasn't been becoming progressively more of a situation, I'm not even gonna say problem. Because, you know, because we like immigration, but the whole thing is like, yeah, Biden let them all in. That's all they ever fucking say. That's not true. It's just not true, obviously.

Democratic voters or voters on the left are the only people with agency. Everything we say can turn other people off. But these people don't have any agency. They don't make any decisions on their own. They're just reacting to the left and the cancel culture and the emphasis on woke, right? Yeah, they're constantly made to do stuff and be who they are. Yeah. All right. Do we want to finish or start finishing with this new Vance clip?

Pope hated vice president of the United States loves to talk about stuff. You know, maybe American kids should have three dolls instead of 30 or whatever the number was. Do you agree? Do you tell the people of this country that you need to make some sacrifices in order to reorganize this bad trade relationship? Well, I think the president's point here is that, yeah, we do need to become more self-reliant,

and that's not going to happen overnight, and it's not always going to be easy, Martha. But what I'd ask people is not whether they want $2 or $5 or $20 for their kids. I'd ask American moms and dads, would you like to be able to go into a pharmacy and know that the drugs your kids need are actually available to you as an American parent? Would you like to, God forbid, if your country goes

to a war and your son or daughter is sent off to fight, would you like to know that the weapons that they have are good American-made stuff, not made by a foreign adversary? What President Trump is talking about is bringing self-reliance back to the United States economy. This is a new like justification for the tariffs and everything. And it's saying we're so reliant on them that once we get it, we can't we can't go to war with China, you see, because they have all of our stuff and they make all of our stuff and they can they'll really like screw us over if we're going to war or if this is such an important thing for us to make everything, Q-tips, toys, guns, to make it all here, they haven't really brought that up because it was more about bringing

manufacturing back for jobs, I thought. Yeah, it's so silly. Because Vance's job is to add some faux intellectualism to whatever Trump says. Whatever Trump says, Vance needs to go out and be like, I'm one of those really smart venture capitalist guys, and like explain it in the sort of right wing rhetoric that they love to hear and try to make it make sense. First of all, America uses American made weapons.

Like we're like the leading exporter of weapon. Like that's, isn't that something that like, I feel like he's probably criticized the like military industrial complex in the past, but like we make the weapons here. Yeah, are we using Soviet machine guns or something? We make the weapons. They are ours. So like this weird idea of like, well, we're gonna have to start using other people.

No, we don't. We make them here. We export them everywhere. Like any war zone, you can see like America on the fucking bombs. Like I don't know what he's talking about. But if we're at war with Congo, we can't get the cobalt. Coney will keep the cobalt from us. Right? I mean, is that the argument? I think, I don't think so,

because we just import the cobalt with our great new trade deal or whatever that is gonna happen. And then we have it and we manufacture all the stuff here, right, because we need the jobs and so on. Also, I just have to point out, and I know I hit this a lot of times, and maybe they won't do any wars.

For being anti-war, they love using the threat of war to make a point. They love, Vance specifically loves to say, God forbid if we ever have to go to war, or like when we go to war, God forbid. Like he's always talking like that. And I just think it is indicative that maybe he's a bit of a fraud

and doesn't actually believe in anything. And maybe they're cooking up something and actually do want to go to war. Because if you're talking constantly about like, we got to get trans out of the military because we need a strong military for the wars that we're not going to fight. We need to manufacture all our weapons here

for the wars we're not going to fight. Unless we do, which we like, the whole thing is absurd. military for the wars that we're not gonna fight. We need to manufacture all our weapons here for the wars. We're not gonna fight. But unless we do, which we like, the whole thing is absurd. I hate this man, much like the Pope. The Pope. Also does. You like the Pope. I don't know, I've got issues with the Pope.

But I like some things about the Pope. And mainly it's that he doesn't seem to like JD Vance Who's a little pipsqueak liar? I feel like if the Cody if the Pope met you I feel like he'd be friendly to you I feel like that's already a bigger plus than most the people in this administration, right? It's like someone is nice will shake your hand have like, you know, he's American You know, you can talk about the Cubs game or whatever. Oh, that's true. I can actually talk to the Pope and like understand what he's saying.

Yeah, and he speaks like seven languages, but yeah. He would be polite to me. I do think he'd be polite to me. He's a polyglot. So are you, right, Sabi? Yeah, I speak, yeah, I read his list of languages, like, oh, okay, like that's decent. Are they not as impressive? I mean, they're all, oh, okay, like that's decent. Are they not as impressive?

I mean, they're all, I think he, it's like all romance languages. So like, I figure he studied Latin when he was a kid. Like, you know, I mean, if there was, yeah. So I mean, truly like, if there was like a Japanese thrown in there or something, I was like, okay, like legit, like groundwork up. Right, where there's like Spanish and Italian. You're not taking too big of a leap here. Okay, like legit, like groundwork up. Right, where there's like, Spanish and Spanish syntax. You're not taking too big of a leap here.

Yeah, it was literally like Spanish, Italian, French, like just down the list of romance languages and then the German thrown in there. I'm like, okay, I'm like, that's fair. Now that would be funny to meet the Pope and just straight up dunk on him for only knowing easy languages. You're like, it's pretty good.

Sabi, thank you so much for joining us this week. Can you tell our listeners where they can find you, check out your work, anything you want to promote, all of those good things? Oh man, I feel like your listeners probably have enough stuff to listen and watch. I feel bad, like throwing on more, giving them more homework. I mean, you can throw me a follow on IG. If you folks are so inclined, it's my first name, last name is Sabeech Emile.

Besides that, I mean, I don't know guys, go outside, live your life. Honestly, I agree. Best plug we've ever had. I keep thinking about it. I sound like an asshole when I say it, your life. Honestly, I agree. Best plug we've ever had. I keep thinking about it. I sound like an asshole when I say it, but you gotta get outside. You do.

Just turn off the computer and go outside after you're done listening to this. Get some sun in your eyes. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Get some sun out there. Enjoy it while you can until it's gone. Yeah, I appreciate your time. Thanks for listening, but I don't know. I'm giving you enough content. If you see me in person, say hi, but but like, I don't know, like, yeah, I'm giving you enough

content. If you see me in person, say hi, but besides that, I mean, I don't know. Sure. Go outside, foster your hobbies. Get a hobby, yeah. All right, that's it. We did it. We're done. We're done. We will be back next week. Next week. And every week. And every week. Till we all die. Till we all die. We love you. We what? very much.

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