Some More News - Even More News: The Trump Administration Is Losing In Minneapolis

Episode Date: February 6, 2026

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Wonderful. I feel so good. Hi. Hello. Welcome back to even more news. The first and only news. podcast. My name's Katie Stoll. How about that? That's right. That's left. That center. That's the news. Hey, everybody. I'm so loud right now. We are so excited to welcome back returning guest. Friend of the podcast. We don't say that here. I'm going to reset. We can start saying that. We can tell because he said friend of the podcast instead of a friend of the pod.

In front of the pod, exactly. That's true. Okay, leave it all in. Author, musician, and host of the podcast, cool people who did cool stuff. It's Margaret Kiljoy. Hello. I'm excited to be on the only news show. The only one. There are, of course, lots of other podcasts. Those podcasts perhaps refer to guests as Friend of the Pod. But no news podcasts for some reason. No, we usually use Friend of the Pod sarcastically.

Like Tuberculosis is a friend of my pod because it's a history podcast. And so tuberculosis is a returning guest. Yeah. It's really funny. I like that. Everyone calm down. Jonathan is also here. Uh, slightly better than TV, but not quite friend status.

Hello. Hi. Employee of the pod. Yeah. Employee of the pod. It's true. I work for this podcast, this pod. So, Margaret, you visited Minneapolis a few weeks ago and wrote about your experiences

extremely beautifully on your blog, as you always do. Everyone check out Margaret's blog. She's such a fantastic writer. And you also talked about it on an episode if it could happen here. And it's difficult to get information from Minneapolis on the ground right now for a variety of reasons.

I mean, I know we all have fragments and have an idea, but I don't think any of us really understand the scope and the magnitude of what it's actually like on the ground there. And so, yeah, I guess just to start, I was wondering if you could give us a little bit of information about your experiences there,

about the community organizing work you saw unfolding and the mutual aid and all of it. Yeah, I went up with James Stout, my co-worker at Cool Zone Media, and we went up about two weeks ago. We left the day that Alex Pretti was murdered. We left a couple hours before Alex Pretti was murdered by ICE. Or did it?

I actually can't remember off the top of my head. Which federal agent? CBP. killed Alex Pruddy. And so we were there the couple days prior to that. So we were there after Renee Good had been murdered. And we showed up kind of with a lot of these questions about like it's so hard to understand what's going on from outside. Right.

And so we showed up with like, you know, the cleverest way I can put it is that we showed up being like, how widespread is this? You know, I asked my friends, I have a lot of friends in Minneapolis. And I said, you know, what neighborhood should we stay in so that we're able to leave a little bit if we want? but we're not so far from everywhere. And, you know, my friend was like, look, there's no neighborhood that is goon-free. Like, there are federal goons everywhere in the city at any given time. But, you know, here's some neighborhoods that might work. We actually ended up staying in South Minneapolis, which was absolutely where all the goons were the couple days we were there.

And the very first day before I had put on shoes in the morning, I'm like, go out to look out the window. And there's a whole bunch of cars driving by honking horns. and I was like, I wonder what that's about. And then I was like, I wonder if they're following ice and honking at them. That is absolutely what was happening. Yeah. Right. And so that was like the first thing we saw.

And then we were like, all right, well, let's just drive around the city until we, you know, we had some people we were going to talk to, some organizers and some places we were going to visit. And we made it like two blocks before we found people basically camped out outside of, camped out's the wrong word. I don't know if they were staying there overnight. But, you know, loitering outside of a summer. daycare, protecting a Somali daycare, and stopped to talk to people. People were real skeptical of us because I drive a pickup truck with West Virginia plates.

And that's not how to not look like a federal agent. I actually think my septum ring was my single biggest. Help like your life. Your pass. Because what's happening is, and this is, again, my information is a couple weeks old, and the things are changing there so dramatic. week by week. The strategies and things like that are changing. The culture isn't necessarily changing and the idea that everyone's working together to do this thing isn't changing,

but the specific tactics people are using are changing because they're playing this game with federal agents who want to kidnap people more effectively and they want to not have that happen as effectively as possible on the other side. And so the entire city, it feels like the people of Minneapolis-St. Paul, so the two cities, have mobilized to protect their neighbors and a large portion of the people who live there who perceive themselves at more risk

are essentially sheltering in place or mostly staying home and so then this entire two-prong thing is happening. It's a rapid response network to

make people aware that ICE is there and some people take that to mean that they want to stand around and kind of be in the way and other people take it to me and they want to observe. You know, save this rapid response network. And then you have a mutual aid network. And both of these are entirely decentralized and grassroots and bottom up. But they're not unorganized.

This is a thing that people like struggle with, right, is that, you know, you hear like, ah, yes, there's no leaders, right? And so they're like, ah, it's chaos. And like, if it's chaos, it's organized chaos. It's incredibly well-organized chaos. but it's not being like masterminded or whatever. It's just neighbors talking to neighbors being like, hey, that neighbor needs food. How do we get that neighbor food? Or in the case of this daycare, right?

It was like, oh, ice agents want to attack a daycare. How is this just not the most? It's so absurd. How could you? It's hard to wrap my mind around the fact that we are in all earnestness having a conversation such as this in the United States of America. And it shouldn't be hard to wrap my mind around it because we've, all talked about and seen the warning signs for a very long time that this is where we were

heading and yet it's still at such odds with the america that i know with the america that i grew up believing in even though it was much uglier than i ever really understood but it's still it's difficult margaret has done everybody should also listen to her podcast cool people who do cool stuff. I know that I specifically have had conversations with you about mutual aid networks and just the power of the people. How in times of crisis, we talked about Katrina, her king Katrina, and the different mutual aid networks. The, you know, FEMA was learning from the organizers on how to distribute aid and get people help. And yet again, here we are. It's not about it. And it's also everything you're saying makes you think of, of course, this labeling of us as domestic

terrorists of this idea that we have to get to Antifa. What is it the guy that they trotted out last week saying we found the leader of Antifa in Portland, you know, it's so absurd because the reality is it's much simpler and more complex than that. This is humans coming together and sharing information. Like one neighborhood might be saying, hey guys, we figured this out. We figured that this is a great way to organize, you know, and spreading from different cities. You mentioned this in your piece about, you know, the tactic of whistles. So simple and yet effective. And that was one of the things I asked about too, right? Because I showed up and I come from a direct action activist background. And so I was skeptical of the efficacy of whistles and honking,

right? Because we're used to the, okay, the other thing that's like really worth understand about Minneapolis is that the federal agents, even though they're the occupying force, they operate in the shadows. The people resisting them. understand that they, the resistors, are the people with legitimacy. So you'll see people standing on most street corners, right, just looking out for ice agents. And ice agents are hiding. They're hiding their faces with masks.

But more than that, they first showed up and they were renting these, like, black SUVs with blacked out windows, right? And then people were like, oh, that was a nice car, you know? And it was like real easy, right? So they started renting different kinds of cars instead. And, you know, while I was there, someone showed me a picture of a confirmed ice ice. vehicle that had a vegan and co-exist bumper sticker on it.

Wow. Wow. And like, so they're afraid they are hiding, even though they're the ones with like guns and courts and the federal government behind them and they're like most. They're the ones killing people. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And they are afraid of a like largely but not dogmatically nonviolent like group of people like that is just neighbors being like, Like the number of times people are like, oh yeah, I just like went outside in my pajamas. You know, this is an image I returned to a lot of my writing about it because it really stuck with me. You know, I talked to someone who was like, oh, this morning I got pepper sprayed while walking my dog, you know, because they got pepper sprayed by ice agents while they were walking their dog. But and so I was like, why do whistles work, right?

Because they're not direct, right? You're not throwing yourself between the ice agents and their abductees. And the answer is that ICE is cowardly and fearful. And so they are afraid as soon as the light shines on them, they scurry away. The dehumanizing metaphors write themselves about groups of things that you shine lights on and then they run and hide. But it's just true. And so it's like they want to not be witnessed as they do this horrible, horrible thing. Yeah.

And the other thing is that since everyone knows it's horrible, because I was like, but how could this work? How could you have enough people? And the answer is everyone knows this is wrong. If you see it, like everyone I talk to, not everyone, but a lot of people I talk to specifically were like, I know Republicans who are helping do this. Like helping try to track ice and keep people safe. Because when you actually see what's happening, you're like, that's the bad guys. I mean, we have to stive the bad guys. Can't help it think, again, that clip that we've referenced a few times on this show of just that average guy that's like, no, I don't do this. I don't protest. But this is wrong. When something's wrong, it's wrong. You know, people are being abused. We don't even know a fraction of the abuses that have been happening on the streets of Minneapolis this past month. Yeah. You know, you can't trust enough. And no one does, unfortunately. Cars, you talk about it in your piece. Cars abandoned. We've talked about that.

just in the middle of the road, but people are coming together to move their cars home because people, it's just, it's absolute chaos. And you're talking about the, I'm just kind of weaving. You just mentioned that you're not sure what it's like right now. We should acknowledge that earlier this week, Holman announced that they would be removing some of the troops. I believe it's 700 troops. I mean, we use that language. Yeah. Like they said, like, oh, we want to bring them down to pre-surge levels, and it sounds like it's Fallujah, the way people would talk about the Iraq war for a decade.

There's a reason they're talking like that. They've 700, so that still leaves, what, 2,300 ice agents there in town when there normally is 80. And Ken Clippenstein had a piece come out yesterday where it was revealed that they have stockpiled, like, so. so much ammunition and tear gas and stuff earmarked specifically for protesters and crowd control, et cetera. So we'll watch that and see if that stockpile recedes. I doubt it will. I did want to ask about, because we've seen videos, the clips I've seen are from Portland of children being tear gassed, of like they don't seem to care anymore, right? and you posted something on Blue Sky I wanted to ask you about.

You wrote, The unspoken rules for protest in the U.S. have been for decades that if you have a big, tame sign holding march, it's safe to bring your kids. If you're not perceived as threatening their power, they'll leave you alone, which means they perceive their unpopularity

as a threat to their power. So how should people who might normally only go to the, you know, no kings, the big, tame sign holding march, feel about, that assumption being flipped now. You are no longer, there's no presumption of this is the big ring of safety you're in. I think personally, and this is easy for me to say as someone who, again, has a background, direct action activism,

I think that the answer is that people step up and people say, I'm still going to the big sign holding march, even though it's not safe. Because, and to be clear, there is still a scale difference between they throw tear gas at you and they shoot you with life. ammunition, right? I mean, obviously, we've seen them shoot people with live ammunition. I can't remember the number of people that federal agents have shot in the past a little bit. They have not been shooting into crowds of people with live ammunition, right? And so I think if people, if the sort of, I would say, more liberal crowd, the more, you know, symbolic action type crowd continues to hold down symbolic action. I actually think it could be really effective personally in a way that I would, be surprised I've heard myself say years ago. I think that they are intimidated by their unpopularity in a way that honestly surprises me because I expect them to be like, we have all the legitimacy, but they know they don't. And that's a dangerous thing because they are kind of a wild animal backed into a corner to a certain degree. Right. Because even, you know, the blue sky tweet,

whatever it's composed, is like, it's a little bit flipping to me to say. It's very hard to say in a very short period of time because they didn't do this because they were like, oh, sign holders are the problem, right? They did it because they as a separate entity that is not interested in the rules of engagement that have been developed between crowd control and protesters, especially like permit holding protesters over the past decades, they sit completely outside of that. They have no interest in the existing rules of engagement. They've been told they can do whatever they want. And so they're just like a crowd came near our building, so we shot tear gas at them. It could have been anybody, right? And that, so it's less they're like, oh dear, our power is threatened, we must lash out.

So that's the part where I was a little flippant in my very short skeet. I think that it is worth continuing to say like, okay, then we're going to continue to show up. That's my feeling about it. Yeah. I know it's hard for parents to want to show up with their children to something that they would have in the past considered a family-friendly event. And I think, you know, depends on where you are. But that is certainly a consideration, you know, you might want to not bring your kids, you know, which is unfortunate because I know you also want your kids. Because our children are watching our children as if I have kids.

My friends' children are watching all of this unfold and have questions and I'm sure they want to participate, you know? And the more, I mean, the more people, the more people, which is a part of it too, that show. Yeah. Trump more than, say, Stephen Miller does get affected when he sees how unpopular stuff is. There was reporting this week, probably from people within the White House who are leaking because they, don't like Stephen Miller and want to sideline him. But there were leaks that Trump is, you know, personally knows how unpopular ICE is, thinks ICE has gone too far in certain instances. And, like, they're trying to spread a narrative in there.

But I also think it's probably true, where he's like, why am I going to make everyone hate me to do the thing? And then I got to go on TV and say, well, these people were no angels, which is something he literally said yesterday. Yeah. He also seems like he's realizing how much of a shadow sort of guy, Stephen Miller is,

and like rewording all the executive orders and like going on TV and talking about issues that he really has no right to talk about or in that position. And that bothers him too because that means that he's not the president calling the shots. Yeah, that's true.

At least as far as this reporting is concerned. Jonathan, you're the one that brought up a point of do these leaks reflect his annoyance or the White House and the leakers annoyance, you know? It speaks mostly probably to the fact that they know they're unpopular now and they're wildly unpopular. It's not like ICE is unpopular, the administration is unpopular. The whole operation is and that's not good for them. So they need to figure out how to adjust. Like there's a world where they think like, oh, if we get rid of Stephen Miller and we say, we didn't mean that stuff.

Right, right. But they'll keep doing it. But it's someone to point to. But it's somebody to point to. This odious person who you know is so unpleasant to watch is the reason. So we're going to get rid of him. And that's like what they did with Bovino in Minneapolis. Exactly.

Yeah. The fascist playbook. There are books written about this is how fascism operates. And so it's a good sign when they start eating each other and sniping at each other. It shows that there is the inevitable thing. They're not as unified front to take everyone out. And they're weak, like fundamentally. like Gnome is weak now.

Bondi is weak. Now they're throwing each other under the bus constantly. And so that needs to continue. A few minutes ago in the same conversation, I mentioned all the atrocities happening that don't even break the surface or, you know, someone isn't around to film. You tell a story in your post about a queer couple

who was observing ICE around the time of Renee Goods' murder and I mean, they were just absolutely battered. It was a hate crime, a heartbreaking story, beautiful and heartbreaking. Again, everyone check that out. So I tell a story in the post that I did. I think it's the, I did a couple posts. I think it's called Our Neighbors in Minneapolis that post. And it's a story that two people told me about holding hands while being screamed at

and told horrible homophobic slurs and being beaten and stuff by ICE agents the same day that Renee Good died. I actually don't know and would guess they're not a couple. And actually the part that that's actually interesting to me is the care, you know, the central emotional part. I actually talked to them. I was like, look, I'm kind of crying when you're telling me this. I feel a little weird that I'm going to focus on the fact that you were holding hands in my story. How do you feel about that? And they were like, that's okay.

Because I always feel weird when I'm a journalist instead of a historian, you know? Yeah, yeah. But the core emotional part of that, for me, my takeaway was we hold on to each other. And so actually the fact that I think they were friends, but they held on to each other. They held hands as this thing was happening. Anyway, I just wanted to clarify that point because it's, yeah. Yeah, thank you. But I didn't say one way or the other in the piece because I didn't know, you know.

Yeah, I think I'm saying that's not what it was about. It's like, yeah. I just, I even say that. Either way, I mean, that's a testament of love and strength and unity. And it's two people that are caring for each other through a traumatic time. And I wanted to highlight that as an example of everything else that's happening, but also to say, yeah, Miramar, Mar-a-Mortina's is someone else that was shot by, I. a few months ago. And I'll be real. I didn't even know about that. I didn't even know about it. And she, you know what? Jonathan, you set this up because you've got it. You're better at this point.

Yeah, back in October, a woman named Marimar Martinez in Chicago was observing ice and her car was kind of side swipe. They lied and said that she ran into an ice car. That's not true. And then a bunch of guys got out. and opened fire into the car. She was shot five times and survived. Barely. And so now she's, you know, she gave testimony to a congressional forum this week. She wants to be able to release evidence. She wants body cam evidence released because she thinks it will show how egregious ICE acted

and that she wasn't doing anything. One of the pieces of evidence that we already know about is the guy, one of the Border Patrol agents, sorry, not ICE. one of the CBP agents who shot her Charles Exum texted friends and family afterward I fired five rounds and she had seven holes put that in your book boys and so you know this is a person who should

probably be like nationally famous like she didn't ask for this but now she is like an activist kind of representing the brutality of these agencies and survived of course to tell about it in a way that Renee good and Alex Pready did not. It's awful. She just was staggering

looking for help and lost consciousness at, I forget where it in an auto body shop or something and this horrific thing and this was back in October and we're talking about it now.

It's just, it makes me just sick to think about everything we don't know. All that has not been revealed because people weren't around to videotape it. but she is using this as I mean she's fighting she's trying to be a voice for people like Renee good like Alex Pretti because obviously their voice has been taken away yeah it's just so it's overwhelming to me it's interesting to me because of these things that we're sort of used to the state getting away with and murdering people is on that list it's terrible but it's like beautiful when they murder someone and it doesn't work, you know, when they're like, oh, yeah, well, we fuck that guy anyway, you know, like how hard they tried to make George Floyd just be like,

whatever, we kill people, we like killing people, let us just kill people. And it's interesting when people are like, nah, you can't. And I'm surprised in a positive way at how much resistance to ice is growing rather than sure. drinking. And even as they bring out more and more violence, it's bringing out more and more people saying, like, now you can't do that. You know, because I'm used to like, well, they kind of can. They do it all the time, you know, and obviously there's like complicated parts about, I think it's because you look at like the shooting of Philando Castile, which I don't have the details in front of me, but it was a, you know, legally armed black man who is killed for being legally armed,

you know, like the way that the state gets away with killing people of color substantially more than they get away with killing white people is a really important part of this conversation. But it's just like I expected when they killed Alex Pretti, I expected people to be like, well, he had a gun. And instead people are like, yeah, you can't kill people for that. That's, you know, and I'm a little bit like, where were you with Falunica-Steel. Well, it's interesting because some people are saying, well, he had a gun. Yeah, but you're right. More people than I expected. It's brought up an interesting conversation for sure about gun rights and the state and, you know, you know, because a gun activist would say, you know, you need to be armed to protect yourself against the state. That's the whole deal.

That's what they say the whole deal is. That's what they say the whole deal is. Right. And about 5% of them meant it and we can tell now. because about 5% of them were like, look, I didn't agree with that man about his politics, but actually the federal agents should not shoot people for having guns.

It is interesting to see the gun rights activists who are like, this is ridiculous. They shot this legal gun owner, and then they look around being like, wait, what are the rest of you care about? Not that? Like, they legitimately thought that was the thing to care about. And then they are surprised when, like,

all of their compatriots are like, no, no, it's not. not if you believe these things or if you're this. What are you talking about? No, we're bound by, so they're bound by the law. We're unbound, actually. And you don't understand the situation that we all signed up for. It's written in the book, the fascism book.

Yeah, do you mean 2A or not? That's just, yeah. Do I want to talk about the flagrant podcast? No, it's fine. I don't need to. They had this conversation. What? Go for it.

No, go for it. They have this little, I wanted to listen to this moment that people have been sharing about Andrew Schultz talking about the liberals were right or whatever and they end up talking about guns in a way and one of the guys is like I don't know it's wild man you know they say it's like you should have guns to you know to protect yourself against the state that's always a talking point but now I'm like if I have a gun am I a target of the state and it's like oh no maybe I should not get this gun that I'm applying for he's like wow I'm going to do it anyway.

But it's interesting. I'm like, you're dancing right up to the conversation, boys, aren't you? Aren't you? You're catching up. Just dipping their toe in. But also, to your point, yes, none of this should be happening and it does happen, particularly to people of color. It does make you a target.

It makes you a terrorist instead of a patriot. While we have you here, Margaret, I wanted to get your opinion on the whole. will stancel situation. And I'm sure everybody can catch you up. The boys maybe could catch our listeners up to speed better. But from what I understand, there's been some controversy because he's documenting things and, you know, videoing, getting in the way, not getting in the way, but trying to document what's happening.

And now he has been removed from all direct action organization because people believe that he is putting their safety at risk. And I don't really know how I feel about that because I, on the one hand, want more visibility. At the other hand, it's like, no, I want people to be safe. So I was just curious if you have any thoughts or opinions about that situation. Yeah, it's something that's very much on my mind and I think needs to be very much on the mind of anyone covering rebellion. And people who are potentially breaking the law, we don't know yet whether this is illegal because we know what the state is doing is illegal. and does any of that matter, right? And so I think that kind of the most important part of this is consent

of the people that you're reporting on and the tactics that people are using and things like that. It's so hard as a movement-aligned journalist, you have to tell the truth and you can't lie by omission, but you also should not put people in danger. And there are certain things that like, like, people didn't talk to me much about the mutual aid stuff happening there. And they, they chose not to, and I respected that. I didn't pry because, ironically, the mutual aid side of this was much more secretive. The feeding people's side is more secretive because they are feeding people who are sheltering, right? And so I'm not really going to talk much about the tactics of how that happens. I didn't ask much about how the tactics of how that happens, right? Because that's a common.

conversation that needs to happen between organizers. Whereas, I don't know, I don't know Will Stancel from a rock. I know who he is now in this context, but I live under a rock and I rarely know the various talking heads, right? But, so I don't know what he was doing or who asked him to leave or things like that. But I do know that, like, everyone I talked to felt that certain things, the things that they talked to me about were things that they wanted people to know because they felt that the generalizing of these tactics and ideas was a safer plan than keeping them really secretive.

This was about rapid response network specifically. But I also am like still not necessarily out there trying to like film people doing rapid response. Right. And this is my, you know, if you if I had to pick between journalists and activist, I pick an activist, right? But I think that it's a complicated dance, but it is one that like I talk to a lot of people in Minneapolis who are like, we don't like what reporters are doing here. You know, we showed up at one point. We're like, hey, we're press and people are like, cool, get the fuck out. Or like, we're like half the crowd walked away immediately, right? They're like, we don't want to talk to you.

You know, and like, that's fair. right? Because press sensationalizes like another thing that people talk to is that like press tends to find the most dramatic and especially negative things to fixate on and like the trauma right sells and gets clicks you know and so we have to be careful like

I talk to people who are like hey we want people to see the beauty of what we're doing here because it is far and away the most impressive rapid response in mutual aid networks I've ever seen or really heard about and I study this stuff professionally you know and and so like

some of that beauty does need to get across but it's a delicate balance I don't know how Will Stancel handled it but honestly if people tell you to fuck off you gotta fuck off that's ultimately what I was thinking it's like regardless of your intent oh it's fine fuck yeah

regardless of your intention to me if the people that are putting their lives on the line are telling you it's not helpful. That is not helpful. Before we move on from this topic specifically, Jonathan is going to subject us to something. Woo, clips.

The end point for this and then what we're going to get to before the end is J.D. Vance, being a glib little lying shit in each of these instances. So this is a real quick clip of J.D. Vance talking to, I think, a reporter for the Daily Mail. Should you plan to apologize to the family of Alex Breddy? For what? For, you know, labeling him an assassination with ill intent. Well, again, I just described to you what I said about Alex Pretty,

which is that he's a guy who showed up with ill intent to an ICE protest. No, but if it is determined that his civil rights were violated by this FBI investigation, and will you apologize? So if this hypothetical leads to that hypothetical leads to another hypothetical, will I do a thing? He's just a pathetic little wormy guy. I obviously, it's not, he wasn't asked a hypothetical that led to a hypothetical that led to a third hypothetical. It was a simple hypothetical. But not even that.

It's like, well, there's an investigation and there are two results. there are two possible results of that. If it goes this way, you won't say anything. Also there's video, exactly. It's just video of it. But like, you can't answer a really,

really, really, really simple question. Just what a disgusting smug little guy. This is a little smirk that falls as soon as the journalist is like, but you call him an assassin. It's interesting. You retreated Stephen Miller, right? Calling him an assassin.

Yeah, Steve Miller called him an assassin who was there to kill federal. agents and the vice president retweeted that post from the deputy chief of staff to like millions of people. And so it's a very simple concept. I've seen so many people like, what does you have to apologize for? The thing that he said, watch the video. It's explained in the video.

They're all just lying and they're pretending like it's nothing, but they all know what is going on. It's wild because nobody liked it. Nobody likes the way that they're, not nobody, there are some people that do. No, he's got, they got some fans. I just don't think it's as many as they think. It's way less popular than it was a year ago. Yeah, it's what I mean is like it's, I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know how this is going to develop. I think that with any, like, like, part of the reason that the fascists are still in Minneapolis to such a degree is because fascism is like a machismo-based ideology of like, it can't be seen. to show weakness. It simply can't. The whole thing crumbles as this fragile, masculine ego, not all masculine egos are fragile, but there's a version of them, right? Where it's like, I

know what it's like to be like, there's like men who if you say like, yeah, well, fuck you, they're like, oh, well now we have to, I have to puff up my chest. What did you say to me? Wait, wait. What did you say to me? Jonathan, Jonathan, calm down. Jonathan, no, no, no, no, okay. Uh-uh, gonna break my computer.

And so it's, it's actually, I think this is an advantage we have against fascism. They are so predictable. They won't leave. They will do a little bit of like, the fact that they folded a little bit on Minneapolis weakens their position, even to their base, so much, right? Right. Because they need to be seen as dominating at all times. And the fact that they're being beaten by like,

parents in reflective vests with whistles is like so deeply shameful for them so of course he can't apologize but when your enemy is wildly predictable that is that's good I'm glad this absolute piece of trash won't apologize because like good

he does exactly what we expect him to show them exactly who you are because also I mean, we've talked about this so many times before, but like when Trump's dead, because everybody dies, eventually he'll be dead. This isn't going to fly. I really don't think. I think only Trump is capable of this kind of disgusting callousness. Because even Trump was approached about Renee Good and told like, well, her parents like you and you're calling her a domestic terrorist.

And you can see him being like, oh, well, that's, that kind of makes me feel bad, you know? And, like, Vance is just not that guy. And he's also just like, yeah, I'll eat the sins. I gobble it up. I'm hungry for your sins. And it's really, really, it comes off really, really odiously. But also we're getting used to this now. And, you know, and let's be real, Trump is a puppet.

I mean, he's an unpredictable one and he's got his own motivation. reservations, et cetera, but he also does, carries water for everybody. And as soon as those people rally with all that money, rally behind the J.D. Vance, who, you know, I hope you're right. I agree with you completely. Oh, I mean the general public is what I'm talking about. I know. I need to. I'm saying we're a year in. And anyway, I don't know. I'm aware at this moment in time that things get normalized quickly and also I never thought

people would vote for Donald Trump in the first place. Sure, sure. So who the fuck knows? I just think he's so charmless. I mean, yeah. I left Minneapolis thinking like,

for the first time at a long time, I left Minneapolis being like, not like, oh, we got this. We don't, we can just like relax now. Right, right. But I left it being like, oh, we're going to win. Yeah.

And a win condition is hard. and it's going to suck, and it's like, people are not stopping every abduction and all of these things. But I'm like, oh, they like aren't going to pull off a 1930s Germany. And again, I'm not saying this to let ourselves off the hook. It's going, we're going to win because we're not going to let ourselves off the hook. But it's, it's no longer just the leftists or the progressives or even the liberals. it's just people. People.

And I think that what they're doing, I am not a person who has optimistic thoughts about the American character. I think that it's not going to fly. And I don't know. I left optimistic. I agree. I'm so glad we had you on today.

I mean, we're not done yet. But seriously, it's the perfect voice for this moment to share your experiences. No, but. You're right. That is the right way to look about this. Look at this. It is awful, but we should have optimism. We should feel hope that we're not letting this happen. Everybody after the election was so in the doldrums and everyone was like, where are the protests? Why aren't we protesting? Well, we needed to take a moment to recalibrate. But when push comes to shove, everyone is out there and they aren't letting up. And I'm so proud. I'm so proud of most Americans. It is like it's officially most It's the majority We've been saying it for a long time

People hate this shit Yeah it's not It doesn't always happen during When it You know matters during like election time But it is most people And that's something I've been holding on to For like years now

It's like okay but like I really don't think Like it's most people When like when everything When all the veneers like stripped away And it This movement is whittled down to like here's who they are. I think that is going to be rejected by most people.

And I think that's kind of what we're seeing now. It's like what? This is super corny. But now I can't help but think of the Anne Frank quote. In spite of everything, I still believe people are really good at heart. Hopefully someone in the comments isn't telling me that wasn't Anne Frank. You're wrong. Well, no, it's in spite all my rage.

Despite all my rage, I'm still still ready to rage. Maybe I'm the only one, maybe I'm chosen one. Maybe I'm amazed by you. Maybe I'm amazed, yeah. I mean, the Netherlands is such a, is the example that I look at more than, I, again, because my own background, when I think about people fighting the Nazis, I think about like the Italian partisans and the like, you know, Spanish anarchists who flew and fled into France and got tanks and liberated Paris and all of these things. But the Dutch actually had probably the largest percentage of the population was directly involved in the resistance than any other country. And they were doing it in this largely nonviolent way. And I have no particular qualms about violence against the 1930s and 40s German government.

Some, I don't have the numbers in front of me, but it's like I think the majority of the Dutch people were on some, level passively or actively involved in hiding Jews, Roma, folks, queers, like people who are being targeted for extermination by the Nazis. And obviously, that didn't save Anne Frank, right? But, like, but just that you used Anne Frank as the example. Like, this is the thing that I end up thinking about us. I'm like, oh, just the, like, people down to try to help at great personal cost and the fact that the great personal cost hasn't turned anyone away

like people were like oh our numbers went up after Renee Good was killed like because people were like man you just can't do that you know and like that's impressive like usually when someone says if you do this thing you might die that makes me less likely to do it

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Before we wrap things up today, I think we should talk about a few other things. things. Like are we going to have elections? Let's start with this. What's going on? Jonathan is what's he mouthing off about this time? I will say I think he's saying these things because all the stuff he's tried hasn't worked thus far. Yeah, stuff hasn't worked and he knows it's hard to do. And also everything we've been talking about, he knows that they're unpopular. And if they don't do anything like this, then they're going to get crushed in November. But anyway, here's the president who clearly has a cold earlier in the week, calling in to the podcast of his former deputy FBI director who's back with, he's a podcaster again.

It's so funny that he's just like normal and he's just like slipping in. He's like, hey, everybody, I was just in the bathroom and I'm back podcasting. It's so funny. It's back. And all this stuff I learned off, you only knew all my field states. Stop. I know. It's so embarrassing.

These people were brought to our country to vote, and they vote illegally. And the, you know, amazing that the Republicans aren't tougher on it. The Republicans should say, we want to take over. We should take over the voting in at least many, 15 places. The Republicans order to nationalize the voting. So, you know. Yeah, that's not great. He's such.

What does he mean? over the voting in 15 places at least? Or like, what's he talking about? Well, he later specified because the next day in the Oval Office they asked him about it and he said, you know, Detroit, Philadelphia, Atlanta, these places

that of all the fraud that is over there that you have seen. So he has a list of 15 places and he's just like, those are the ones, but also everywhere, ideally. But definitely those places. Specifically taking the, because the states run it normally, right? And he wants

the federal government to? Yeah, this is what's wild. The nationalized the voting and take it. The state rights people want to nationalize the election, at least in these locations. I mean, he can't. Like right now, like, I know there's like, he doesn't care what the law is. He doesn't care what the Constitution says, I get that. But there is no nationalize elections lever he can pull.

So I just take this. It's terribly frightening and they're going to do everything they can. But I do take it as a. sign of his extreme desperation. So what worries me about it is the very real potential for ICE agents to be stationed at polling locations or nearby. Oh, they definitely will be. I know.

Also illegal. But illegal, I know, but whatever it is, but using this rhetoric, we need to protect our elections and using that as. And then what is, that's a chilling effect, even as we're seeing, just regular, U.S. citizens who happen to be brown, being harassed, swept up for God knows how long, and it's very,

it's frightening to think about that and what it could do to elections. However, I'm still running high on this conversation with Margaret about how people show up in spite of fear, so there is that. But yeah, they're definitely, I mean, they're definitely planning on intimidating

as many people as possible. and then if you question the validity of sending ICE to polling places, then the response is like, so you admit that all the illegals are trying to vote. That's not what we're saying, actually. I do think that, depending on what the vibe is, right, when we get to November, there will be some commanders of, like, Bovino types of CBP and ICE

who know it's a federal, crime to do federal agents at polling places who will be like, well, what are the chances that I get the pardon or that I do end up getting arrested for this? Because there's a risk and you might easily get the pardon. Maybe you think the risk is like 10%. But everyone who orders their agents to go do this stuff is going to have to assess what's the likelihood I'm going to go to jail for this? Because the president's not. He can say do it. Right. If it were, if it were, if it were, works and there isn't like a blue wave because of our actions, then we're a little safer. But if it doesn't work, then maybe we'll have consequences to face.

There's an old quote. I can't remember German revolutionary, I think from the 1848 revolution, but maybe even before that, whatever. And his quote is those who make half a revolution dig their own graves. And I think the right wing is attempting a revolution right now, right? and they are they are they're at this point of like it's kind of win or die for some of them at this point if they do that right and it kind of already might be

win or die for them and hopefully they don't hear that quote and they just like oh half revolution's fine and they dig their own yeah yeah we'll do the other half later it's fine yeah i have a feeling our side is a little more well versed on history than their side um and before we go we're gonna do another Trump clip and also acknowledge that all week

and for the rest of our lives probably more information about Epstein is going to come out and more information from these fucking emails that are so horrific. They all want to

like grind up the bones of the poor and like fertilize their lawns with it. They're so open about it. It's wild. Very little from our leaders in terms of, at least American leaders, in terms of what do we do about this?

Should we get these freaks out of our government? Should people resign? Internationally, people seem to be getting heat for... Yeah, I want to point out, and we're not going to talk about this guy at all, but I just think it's so funny to see Elon Musk out there every day being like, this is a Democrat hoax, and like, they're trying to hoax everybody.

and being like, I'm actually the only one who's calling for arrest for all of these freaks and these creeps. So clearly I'm innocent. Like, but it was a hoax, dude. Who do you want them to arrest if it was a hoax? What do you think is going on? I was going undercover at those wildest parties.

So let me subject you to this. This is the C-SPAN view that's just on Trump. So there's another one where you can see Caitlin Collins and hear her a little bit better. So if you, I'll repeat the, what she asks. What's the expression on her face when she's at there? We'll get to it.

The country to get onto something else, really. Now that nothing came out about me other than it was a conspiracy against me, literally by Epstein and other people. But I think it's time now for the country to maybe get onto something else. Like healthcare or something that people care about. What did you say? What would you say to the survivors? You are the worst reporter.

No one to say. CNN has no ratings because of people like you. You know, she's a young woman. I don't think I've ever seen you smile. I've known you for 10 years. I don't think I've ever seen a smile in your face. You know why you're not smiling? Because you know you're not telling the truth.

And you're a very dishonest organization. And they should be ashamed of you. I just, here we go again. You know that he's really cornered and he's really feeling things when he starts lashing out like that. He didn't even hear what she asked. I just, I'm just like, we watched a clip of JD Vance. I'm like, I fucking hate this guy so much more than the other guy.

And then we watch this. I'm like, I fucking hate this guy so much more than Jady Vance. You're going to hate them equally. The level of misogyny. I know that that's not the single most important thing here, but just the, there's just the complete utter disregard of women. Contempts. Contempt.

Utter contempt. Yeah. That's the whole movement is to hate women. Yeah. That's all, that's so much of what to. It's not a surprise, but just the lowest hanging fruit in the world of feminism is don't ask women to smile. That's the lowest hanging fruit. And of course, I mean, he doesn't even approach that tree because he doesn't care at all.

He's actively antagonistic to it. But that being the thing, everyone knows that's misogyny. Everybody knows. Everybody knows. It's so wild. And then I guess Megan Kelly was her and J.D. Vance talking about this. Well, right, that's our take on it is, huh, he was asked about the survivors of sexual violence who don't feel like they've gotten justice. And Trump's response was, why don't you smile more, lady?

And so our take is that's misogynistic, but some people had a different take. I mean, like, there was a moment in the Oval Office. I wasn't even in there, but, you know, I was in the West Wing and somebody sent me where he was talking to Caitlin Collins, who's the CNN anchor. And I have, like, a decent relationship with Caitlin Collins. which is unusual given that she's from CNN. But the president, she's asking a question. The president says, why don't you ever smile? Yeah.

And it's actually like so perceptive, even if you're asking a tough question, even if you take your job very seriously, like why does it always have to be so antagonistic? Well, I laugh because I saw online everybody who's calling him sexist for saying that, and I literally said the same thing about Caitlin Collins a year ago on my show.

She never smiles. Every once in a while you have to smile. Roger Ailes used to tell us that. Every once in a while you get, remember smiles, I'll show the viewers they have a heart. Have some fun. Oh, Roger Ailes used to tell you that. Oh, Roger Ailes.

And he ends with, have some fun. Have some fun while you're talking about survivors from Epstein's pedophile ring. What a bunch of disgusting fucking people. I, like, this is, I can't, but Megan, he said you were rude to him because you were on your period. Like, do you not fucking. remember when that happened to you? Do you remember anything that Roger Ailes did and said to you actually?

There's a movie about it. You were played by Charlize Theron, I believe. And they're just pretending, too. Like, they know they have to play up this, like, we don't care about anything, and we love how disgusting we are, and we revel in it. Don't you just want to be fucking disgusting?

And they know it, and I just, I did. I flip back. I flip back. I hate him more than the other guy. Yeah, see, it happens quick. I was like daydreaming about if I was her, what would I have done? And I imagine just going like giving him a nice smile.

I was like she should have just done, showed her teeth. Well, because also I've seen Caitlin Collins on TV and she does smile actually. So you're just lying to be misogynist. But also I, what do you say? And it's actually like so perceptive. What a perceptive observation from the president. It's so perceptive that our president noticed this woman never smiles. What disgusting.

And you can see the two of them at the beginning, their body language. She's beaming smiling at him and he is looking completely deadpan at her. And that's just what's normal. He starts smiling during that. But that's he has a, he has a like, I'm being so clever smile, not I'm trying to please anybody smile. Like, whatever. Again, it's just, it's like, everyone knows that they're all garbage. gross. But I also I don't feel bad for Megan Kelly

but there's a part of me you're sitting there with that big fake smile on because that's how you'll get their attention whereas a man can behave any way that they want I mean this is of course the whole point is the expectation that women

need to smile or else I'm a bitch and you know maybe the president would answer your question if you weren't such a fucking bitch, you know, kind of energy. And you're like, but, but like at this court, obviously that's what we're talking about. Very perceptive. As feminist, so perceptive of you.

But Megan, hun, you come at somebody serious and he starts declaring, yeah, she has blood coming out of her wherever. She must be on her period. She's being a bitch. That's, I know I'm just repeating you, Cody. It's just, it's so infuriating. Women being a traitor to other women. Also, I mean, obviously.

it's not perceptive. So like, what do you mean, man? But, like, he says, he does say like too much for a vice president. I say it too. And we all have our little words that we say as ums and us and stuff. You do run the only news show.

But you do have two other hosts. Cut us some slack. We got some likes in there. But then he's like, even if you take your job very seriously, like why does it always have to be so antagonistic? She asked, and I'm quoting, what would you say to people who feel like

they haven't gotten justice, Mr. President. That's not antagonistic. What's antagonistic is responding to that by saying, you're the worst reporter. I fucking hate you. You're a stupid, ugly bit. Like, what are you talking about, J.D.? You lying, a little slimy guy.

And when he's like, because he doesn't listen to the question, he's like, why don't you ever smile? I don't see you smile. And she's like, well, I'm asking you about survivors of Jeffrey Epstein's, Mr. President. Continually, just so, so respectful. Why don't you, yeah. Why would I literally just?

This is a big question. like exactly what i'm asking about a very serious things why do we so mr president what do you think should we do about the survivors of the like it's just so stupid of mr epstein and maybe you yeah and and probably definitely you sir um you share a wonderful secret um this is unrelated and it's related a little bit i just he's such a little he's just a little sin-eating little gobble he just gobbles him up and he's just like so happy to do it's like you want me to fucking eat your sins

I will like what which ones he's starving I got that oh you got that oh anyone and in the past few days they've announced that there's a turning point USA half time show they announced that a while ago a while ago but like the official lineup

has been announced and first of all you can't call it a half time show just because it happens during half time there is The halftime show during the Super Bowl. And then if you do something else, if I, if I watch the first half of the Super Bowl and then I go watch a movie at the movie theater, that's not the half time show. That's just me going to do something else. But they're doing this thing and they have Kid Rock headlining the Turning Point USA halftime show.

And you have J.D. Vance out there being like, oh my God. Yeah, we got this guy. I don't even know his real name, but he says his real name, aka Kid Rock. And it's not the worst thing he's ever done. obviously, and it's not the worst lie he's ever had to gobble up and just, like, let eat his soul away from the inside out. But we know that he is a fan of, like, The Shins and Death Cab for Cutie. His favorite soundtrack is the Garden State soundtrack. You're listening to Wolf Parade, bro. He doesn't listen to Kid Rock. He's listening to Wolf Parade.

He's listening to Clap Your Hands Say, yeah. He's screaming the fucking Riloha Kylie songs at a party. He's an elder millennial. He went to Ohio State. At the same time as me, I'm pretty sure you're one of us man i he does not like fucking kid rock and it i know how much it pains him to have to pretend because he wants to be there listening to the fucking like he wants to listen to oh inverted world or whatever but he has to be like wow the people who like politics we got kid rock i would like to do a series of sketches which is just j d vans talking about indie rock from the because that's what he wants to do but he can't and it's just so funny that This is like one of...

This is like one of the... Actually, I think Fields is the best animal collective album. I know people say Meriwether Post Pavilion, but I do think some of their earlier work, they got really into the groove of it. And here's the problem with your question about Feels, is what you do, actually. Margaret, before we leave,

we're going to bring this back around. What are your recommendations for people at home that they can do or how can people support their rapid response and mutual aid networks in their areas or in Minneapolis? Yeah. Okay. So one of the things that I asked people, I said, you know, what do you want people to take away from what you're doing? And one of the things that people said is like, get to know your neighbors now.

This is a, we live in a very isolated society. And it is a good idea to be on like just basic conversational, hey, how are you? relations with your neighbors. And if your neighbors are immigrants in particular, learn the language that they speak. Even if it's a little bit, even if, you know, specifically someone said to me, like even if you're just speaking in Spanish and present tense,

like, you know, that little bit goes a long, long way. Whatever language the people around you might be speaking. And one way to do this is like having block parties. Like, it's so interesting that we're in an era where, like, one of the most radical things you can do is throw a block party. Breaking down the social isolation. And I am an introvert. I am an introvert's introvert. But, like, breaking down the social isolation is one of the more important things that we can do.

Socializing and meeting new people as a muscle. We need to start exercising that. These are very similar muscles that you use in organizing because we are being asked to potentially all participate in this grand organizing project. of creating a grassroots rapid response nationwide, right? And also, another thing that people talked about is kind of like not to shut out orgs and NGOs and nonprofits and things like that and like strong specific political ideologies from organizing with rapid response, but not to let any particular group control it. Everyone was saying that one of their biggest fears was like this or that group being like,

this is ours now, right? because that happens a lot and that doesn't allow for a mass movement, even if the org's whole thing is like, we're building a mass movement. It's just not true. You can't have one structure

that works for everybody. And so decentralization seemed like a very much of a strength. Rapid response networks are being built all over the country. I don't immediately have the resources in front of me about that. There are a couple

crimethink.com, which isn't spelled how you might think it is. It's crime. T-H-I-N-C-com is an anarchist collective that's been around for a long time. That's put together a lot of pieces about the decentralized organizing in Minneapolis and elsewhere. I know that's a resource that a lot of people, including non-anarchists and stuff, are using. That's a very signs of the time moment when Rachel Maddell was tweeting about it. And then in terms of supporting actually just like Minneapolis's rapid response,

because they do, especially the mutual aid, needs a lot of help right now. Let's see. It could happen here episodes that me and James did in the show notes. There's a long list of vetted fundraisers. And then also at the bottom of my post on martyrakiljoy.com, it's a free post and article or whatever. I have a list of vetted fundraisers. A lot of them are rent fundraisers because people can't go to work as much. Some of them are to get protective gear for legal observers.

There's people raising money to do kind of art movement stuff. And, yeah, I think it's a good time to think about what you're willing to do and how to try and coordinate with other people because we're being asked. One of the other things that people talked about a lot in Minneapolis is that it's like, yes, there's like organizers there right there's people whose job it is or not this our job but like main hobby is organizing right um but it's a thing that like it's not like the people in minneapolis or specific heroes right it's just people who are like man i kind of wish this is what i had to do you know it's like talking to an audio engineer who's like oh there's a really important band i'm

supposed to be recording today but um people are kidnapping people from my kids school so i'm not recording a band today. I am standing in front of this daycare and later I'm going to that school to like, you know, like and so just yeah, thinking about all that. That's a good, that's a lot of information

and a lot of very valuable information. I really love the idea of, I mean, a block party is such a simple way to accomplish both much needed joy and community, but also from a practical sense, getting to know people, exchanging numbers, an opportunity to meet face to face

and talk about what we would do in XYZ situation. But yeah, I really do encourage everybody to go find Margaret's substack. Go check out cool people who did cool stuff. Check out her episodes for, it could happen here.

Because you're a bright light, Margaret. Thank you for being here. Thank you for going there and for all the work you do. Thanks for covering the news because no one else does it. Sorry, that sounds sarcastic. I just really like girls' bit about being the only. No, but yeah, no one else does it. It's a good bit. It's not even sarcastic.

It's not a bit. Yeah, it's not a bit. Truth. Well, there's truth in comedy, right? So. Any last Elon Musk impressions, gentlemen? No. No.

Look at me. I'm Elon Musk. That's what I got. And now I'm Elon Musk. All right. We'll be back next week. We love you very much. Much of you.