Some More News - Even More News: Tim Walz & JD Vance Debate: Election Denial, Abortion Subterfuge, and Preemptive Strikes

Episode Date: October 4, 2024

Okay, hello! Welcome back to Even More News, the first and only news podcast. My name is Katie Stoll. Hi, Katie. I'm Cody. I'm also here with me and you. I'm here as well. I'm here too. Don't you steal his catchphrase. Our catchphrase for... Presence in addition is me. Jonathan's also here. Yes. Hello, Jonathan. Hi. Cool. Hi, guys. We're here. We're going to talk about the news this week.

We love it. We sure are. We haven't. For a change. For a week, so it's time. Why not? Before we do that, we are going to celebrate a bit because I decided that. We've got some good ones today.

October 4th, it's National Vodka Day. It's Thursday. Nobody knows who started it, but these days it seems to largely be celebrated by billionaire Ryan Reynolds. Which vodka started this holiday? I don't know. Jonathan? Nobody knows.

So it must not have done a very good job. Okay. Okay, October 5th is National Do Something Nice Day. This is interesting. Treat yourself to a vodka. Treat yourself to a vodka, but I think it's do something nice for. This is interesting. Treat yourself to a vodka. Treat yourself to a vodka, but I think it's do something nice for somebody else, unless it's do something nice for yourself,

but it doesn't say that. Oh, treat somebody else to a drink of vodka. I want to say this is gonna be a nice thing. When I come, I'm in LA right now. Oh, elephant in the room. I'm in LA. I'm at the studio at the moment. And I feel the difference of how people interact between here and a small town,

where everybody makes eye contact and smiles and what have you and asks about your day. And sometimes I feel lonely when I come to Los Angeles and you spend your day walking around, you kind of ignore. Anyway, but I made it my beeswax to just kind of keep that energy this time. And I've been trying to smile at people and say, hi, good morning, you know?

And someone, this older woman said, thank you so much for smiling at me. Isn't that nice? Boy, she kept saying, she was like, I just, I needed that, thank you. That's so nice. So anyway, very simple to do something nice. It is, and be friendly.

They were a Jehovah's witness and they're here right now and they haven't left me alone but it was very pleasant. They're so nice! Come on in Betty! Anyway do something nice it'll make you feel better and a distraction from the hellscape that we're navigating always. Oh sure. There was a friendly ghost that opened the door for me the other day and I said that flippantly and you're looking at me like this, but I stand by it, it's true. I'll tell you the story off of the recording. No questions asked about that. I always get stuff holding the door open for like 50 people.

And then I keep track. They thanked me, this person didn't, this person didn't. They think I'm the doorman now. Okay, are you dying to know about the... That ghost was dying to, I don't know. I was trying to get in the building that we were that I'm staying at there's a fob so you have to open every door with a fob and I was coming in from the parking garage there's multiple doors you have to go through I was wrangling giant suitcases and bags but then I hit on my keys so

I'm getting the keys open up to do the fob, and I open the door and it starts to close as I'm getting everything. And I'm reaching for my suitcase and it starts moving by itself into the doorway and it stopped the door from closing on me. I swear to fucking God this happened two days ago. Wait, your luggage rolled into the doorway? Yeah, it did in the garage, the parking garage, but that's not joking. I know I know you're not joking It was just you're just describing something is so mundane Like your luggage was rolling and it was rolled into the door there are wheels on the luggage

Imagine these are my two luggages and I'm and this one I don't even have a hand on it It's stopped still. The door that's three feet ahead of me is closing. This luggage starts to roll by itself through the door frame. Okay, by a ghost. What's more reasonable, Cody? That a ghost did it.

And then last night- It's the ghost one. Jonathan, it's the ghost part. part last night as I was taking Benny in outside Mm-hmm. I get in the elevator by myself And it stops at multiple floors that I didn't press and there's just nobody there to get in Okay, I got two ghosts are getting in the elevator with me! So you're describing like Why would they need the elevator?

Electrical problems? Because they like me! They wanted to hang out with me, Jonathan! Also, Katie, you know You know for a fact That the elevators in that building Are like going through maintenance right now Weeks of maintenance! They're fixing the elevators right now!

That one's working! Well, not maintenance right now. Weeks of maintenance. They're fixing the elevators right now. That one's working. Well, not well enough apparently because it's letting ghosts on. I rest my case. You've presented nothing. Your luggage with wheels rolled and then the elevator stopped at a floor. Excuse me. I thought you're supposed to be nice to me

on National Vodka Day. I think there is a niceness to acknowledging that maybe a ghost was not involved here. And maybe- If there's any building that's haunted, it's this one and you know it. If there's any building that's haunted, it's that one. I think there are way more buildings. And a lot of other ones, but this one too.

There are way more buildings. Like an exorcist to this building. You know it's a spooky ass building. they're gonna get rid of all the ghosts and the ghosts are gonna be like Never do anything nice. I held the door open for that lady. She got me exercise And building never do anything nice for people. I said it's a friendly ghost I see you ghosts. I mean I don't but I get yeah, you don't but but okay whatever we've got some news to talk about I support you in this endeavor you obviously don't I can support you and also have my other theories about what happened so a lot to talk about this week other than ghosts and I don't know

anymore like I feel like I feel like all the information I've absorbed about the news has just like exited my brain Well, I've already rested my case. It's true. I can do it. He's closed I'm Handing the duty over to Jonathan now because I've really been taking forever to get to the news part of this news show Well, let's start with the debate Lot of a lot of thoughts a lot of clips. I've got we can show. From my perspective, Vance definitely seemed very polished, certainly more polished than Donald Trump, lied an absurd amount of times, including about very mundane, easily checkable things that there is video of and what have you.

Like brazen lies. Yeah. Not like the politician like, oh, this is numbers off or whatever, but it's like brazen, like that's the opposite of either what you said or just reality. Yeah, and we can go through some of these lies. I also thought Tim Walz did fine. I didn't like some of the comments about war

and what have you, and it seems to me like the Harris campaign has defanged him a little bit, like took away some of what he was doing best. I will agree with your thoughts in general here. I'm truly mad at me. I mean, you got every, it doesn't matter what the fuck I say, someone gets mad at me.

No, it's a nice day. It's the truth. I'm either MAGA-coded or I'm living in a liberal bubble, neither of which are me. They can't coexist together. But also I'm neither in a liberal bubble, neither of which are me. They can't coexist together. But also, I'm neither of those things. However, when Vance was picked, I famously said on this show, I don't know if it was such a bad idea when

I saw him speak at the RNC at first. Sure, he's a clown, but if deployed properly, could sanitize Donald Trump to in a certain way and, you know, people got mad at me when I said handsome. He's not handsome, but he's like a generally like white man, bearded face. He's not like Donald Trump. You know, he's a guy like young, all this stuff. And then he proceeded to act like a fucking clown over and over and over again. Most of that's like online and in that sphere, so it's curious to see how much of that seeps into the general consciousness, which it seemed to be doing.

And then this week at the debate, he performed in the way that when I first saw him up there, I was like, that could be a smart choice for this campaign. And so he seems to have turned it around, although back to being a clown online again the next day. But he was definitely much more polished than he has been. And I also agree with you about Walls. I mean, in the immediate, I was a little confused. Everyone was bashing on Walls saying like, oh, he really did a bad job, he lost. I was like, I actually thought he did a pretty good job. He definitely left some stuff on the table.

He definitely was so focused on being cordial and civil, which a lot of people seem to have appreciated of both of the men that night, but he wasn't following up in the way that he should have or pressing in the way that he should have. But outside of that, I actually, I continue to find him to be an eloquent man and charming. And at the end of the day, does it really move the needle?

I don't know that it does. It's not gonna move the needle in terms of the general election, other than in the sense of like, you can see just in general polling of like, oh yeah, they are both more liked now. More people like Walls than did before, more people like JD Vance than did before.

I think I, I don't even think I would have disagreed with you if you said like, oh, he'll like perform well in the debate because he is a debate guy. He's like there to do that. I found it to be pretty off putting a lot of the way he acts still. And that's just a personal thing, I guess. Cause I think-

I feel the same way I find him. The way he talks. He's talks like a sniveling worm. And it's not even just knowing the lies. When he says something that I know is like, well, I know for a fact that that's a lie, and you do too. Even putting that aside, there's a way he talks that is smarmier than a lot of standard politician

smarm. And it's just very off-putting to me. And I don't know. It's kind of even hard to describe. I mean, he's off very off putting to me. And I don't know, I don't know. It's kind of even hard to describe, but just like. I mean, he's off putting to me too. I just don't find him to be smarmier than, I mean, I guess I do because I know him to be so different than the persona he presented.

He's such a fraud. I try, I really, I don't know how I've been doing this. I think it's maybe a desensitization, not desensitization over the years, but like we've been in this, I've been enraged for so long about these clowns. But there's something that's different, probably also because of where I moved to,

where I am able to temper down some of this and I'm trying to just look at it like somebody who doesn't know as much as I do about it. And I didn't find him to be, but maybe I'm wrong. If I rewatched it, I could second guess myself. But like, no, I just think that, yeah, I agree with you. I just, I'm not sure that other people would say that he's smarmy or, cause I think a lot of politicians are

and like, they just accept that politicians have that like energy and that, you know, that they're gonna lie on stage. They, they're like, oh, it's, you know, they, they accept that at this point, but yeah, he fucking sucks. He's just like, it's this inauthenticity that he can't even fake. Except for that moment when Wall said

that his son witnessed a shooting. Well, I think all the parents watching tonight, this is just your biggest nightmare. Look, I got a 17-year-old and he witnessed a shooting at a community center playing volleyball. Those things don't leave you. That did seem to hit Vance a little bit.

It was the closest to genuine probably. It was genuine, I thought. Like you could see, there was a moment where you see him like look really surprised. And there was like a flash of the dad coming through or something, unless that was all a performance too, which I'm sure it is to a degree. The person that he like, maybe actually,

maybe actually is or used to be. Or used to be because yeah. You see a lot of the letters that like, or the messages he sent with his old trans friend and just like who he was and calling Trump America's Hitler, all these things that he recognized And probably does see is going on but at a certain point he made his decision and he's sold Whatever he has inside of him to this project. And so I think instances like that are like, oh, yeah. Yeah, ha

Yeah, you're sorry buddy. You you this is the decision you made Yeah, I do think it's I do think it's There is just a personal on a personal level. I just find like I just don't like how he talks. I There's such a fraud. I thought walls did a decent job again. It's like he said in his Interview with Harris to become the vice president. I'll pick I'm not good at debates He told her I like up front, I'm not very good at debates. She obviously didn't seem to mind because also debates don't really matter for the VP.

That is debate doesn't matter, yeah. But my main issue, I think, was like, and I understand people being like, oh, everyone loves the togetherness and everyone's so nice when you have Trump up there. He's so negative and we don't like when Vance is negative online and stuff. So it's nice to have everybody be nice to each other. I found it really to borrow a phrase that I guess has been retired weird that that went on.

I know there was like internal reporting about Biden's advisors basically being like to the Kamala Harris campaign, like stop saying we're not going back. It's not forward thinking enough, which I think is absurd. And stop with the weird stuff. And Jonathan, to what you were saying, I think there is an element of like they have been tamping down on him, which again is weird because the thing that made him popular and famous across the nation is that is Going after the weirdness and creepiness of these people and the party He was one of the first if not one of the only Like politicians on a national level to use the word fascist to describe the Republican Party

To describe JD Vance and his way of thinking. And I find it, I found it off putting in weird to be watching this debate and have this guy who's like, yeah, they're fascists. We don't, we're not scared of fascists. We laugh at fascists to be like, I think this guy's great. I think you believe that.

I think you like really, you know, we agree on a lot of stuff. Like all that stuff. I think this guy's great. Whatever he said, you know I think you really, we agree on a lot of stuff. Like all that stuff. I don't think he said, I think this guy's great. Whatever he said, you know what I mean? There's like an element of like, we agree on a lot of things tonight. We agree on a lot of stuff,

and I believe that you believe that, but I don't believe Donald Trump believes that. It's another tactic to go after the people that are on the cusp. Like to say like, hey, we're not that far apart. I think it's a mistake too. The one thing, because Walls, throughout this whole thing, would look over and he would nod and you say, oh yeah

I think there's a lot of agreement here and true There's agreement with that idea that JD Vance just said with the lies that JD is saying one You know, that's not their policy and two You know He's full of shit because he had the exact opposite position the whole debate was JD Vance being like I'm more liberal than you think I am and Tim Wall saying we get we love Vance being like, I'm more liberal than you think I am. And Tim Wall saying, we get, we love Cheney and like, I'm more of a Republican. It was so bizarre. It would have been totally. It was, that's the energy. That's the energy of this campaign

of the Harris Wall's campaign for sure. And I guess that's the new energy or at least that night. But like, it would have been a different way to say it would have been like, if that's what you actually meant, I would agree with you, but I'm gonna have to push back and say, X, Y, Z, you can still be gracious and like keep his energy that we all love about him. Like I do, I like that he's a positive guy. And I get that that's part of what he brought

to the table that night, but like, you can do that while also holding the other person to account. Yeah, you called him a positive guy. And I get that that's part of what he brought to the table that night. But you can do that while also holding the other person to account. Yeah, you called him a fascist. What are you doing? Can I get you to commit to saying that you're going to support in vitro fertilization or whatever it is that's so wildly different? Can we get that in writing, please?

Well, he did that at the end. The biggest moment of the debate was when he said, I don't think this is good enough for me. Because this stood out, and it took, what, 90 minutes almost? He is still saying he didn't lose the election. I would just ask that. Did he lose the 2020 election? Tim, I'm focused on the future.

Did Kamala Harris censor Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 COVID situation? That is a damning non-answer. I'm focused on the future. Did Kamala Harris? Used to do this thing. No, I know. His whole other thing was like, you guys are harping on this, but the real threat to democracy

is, I guess, Twitter files stuff is the only thing I can think that he was talking about, which also happened before Kamala Harris was vice president which is also something that Donald Trump did Right be real Trump White House and the Biden Campaign both reached out to Twitter to take stuff down which they did and one was the Trump White House and one was the Biden campaign and yet only one was reported on Like and that's that's the whole thing of like J.D. Vance trying to like be a I'm going to be slick.

Like, I'm focused on the future. Meanwhile, here's this thing that happened five years in the past that is irrelevant. Exactly. So this is sort of what I like kind of like about his his great performance. It's like, yeah, he competently lied his ass off calmly, which I guess is what you need to do in a debate. But it's one of those things, watching that, even just that 16 seconds of like, did he lose? I'm not, you know, here's the thing, folks.

It's just so gross to watch, and I think he's really bad at it, because I can watch that and go, but he didn't answer the question. And all night it's that stuff. All night he will... But I think a debate is mostly just about how you handle yourself and how confidently you pivot and make a word salad.

And I do think that that's true across the board always. I don't know about that. I think that you can, I think you can. He did about as best as he could do with all of this. He didn't let walls get under his skin at all. All right, that's the thing you're- He just kept bringing it back to his point. And I guess the point that I'm making is,

I mean, not to us, obviously, cause we don't like the man. We're not voting for the man, but for people, a lot of people, they probably just say, well, he handled himself well up there. Right, it was sanitized. Tim Wall's agreeing with him throughout, and being like, oh, yeah, well, you said you care about child care

and making it easier to start families. He doesn't, and won't do any of that. But because he said it, you agree with it and now you've sanitized Trump. You've sanitized the fascism. You've sanitized all this stuff. You've sanitized America's Hitler, his words. And I don't really blame Tim Walz for this that much

because I'm sure he's got a lot of prep. I mean, he has agency and I think he could have done better at attacking those messages and attacking the lies. But it really, I think a lot of people, Katie I think you're right that people can watch this and be like oh okay maybe I can vote for Trump maybe it's not that bad this guy seems like a normal guy who's gonna keep him in check I like the stuff that Trump wants to do and wish he wasn't such a maniac on stage ranting about pets and whatnot. Right. And that's, not that this debate has moved the needle or would, but like if a few people in a few key states believe that they can exhale and vote for Trump now, that's bad. Yeah.

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there was a big lead in an introduction to this question. But the question was, would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran? So the backdrop to this is that Israel loved the framing of this whole... Invaded a country this week. Israel invaded Lebanon. This preceded a missile attack from Iran on Israel.

That didn't come out of nowhere? That didn't just happen for no reason? These are all related? These are all related events? It doesn't happen in a vacuum? I guess we can say that the broader regional war started or if it hasn't started yet, it's well, they invaded. There's their ground troops they did it don't know what else you need to qualify as a war they're bombing Beirut and its suburbs where people live people do live in the suburbs

did you see that cnn it was jim shiuto who was reporting from tel aviv and he is you know there's missiles you know kind of being intercepted and falling behind it. Among the targets were Israeli airfields, but also, and this is crucial, the headquarters of Mossad, the International Intelligence Service of Israel, which is inside Tel Aviv. It's in the northern part of Tel Aviv, but it's in the city. It's in a densely populated area. And of course, the concern is if you're firing even though Iran might consider that a military target, it is in a densely populated city with civilians around it. And that's just one more layer of escalation.

There you go. That's the problem we all have. This is people have been pointing this out online. But yeah, man, it's wild. This is what we've been saying for a year now. I mean, God. Israel has been bombing heavily populated areas in Gaza for a year. And the excuses, well, we have no other choice but to do that. That's the military target. They've embedded themselves in the population. It's human shields. But if Mossad headquarters is in Tel Aviv, we're not going to give not that they should, by the way, like my position is not it's everyone's human shields and everyone's right. So this do it. Yeah, don't bomb civilians, regardless. And you

know, let's let's just really highlights how absurd the especially if you don't want a regional war. Ta-Nehisi Coates was on is doing like a tour basically for his book. And there are a lot of very telling interviews that sort of give it reminds me of this where it's just like there's a side being told and it is the story and it happens in a vacuum. And unless there's like things that like oh a Palestinian did this or whatever that you can like kind of bring in to the argument to bolster the story that you're trying to tell about how Israel can do no wrong.

And this is all very good. What's going on? And he has been doing an amazing job to sort of calmly dismantling this and sort of even just pointing that out that like there is I don't need to say all this stuff That's the story that everybody's being told everyone talks about this what I'm trying to do is tell this untold story About the situation the Palestinians are going through and that situation is apartheid. It is this occupation It is this ethnic cleansing going on and that story is not really told unless it's you know, passive There's always always it's always told passively as like an unavoidable thing as this is sort of that's just how it is and It's just very I mean, I just wanted to sort of point that out if you haven't seen any of those interviews go check them out

They're very Good and enlightening for some for a lot of people. I think they're enlightening I do think like the one that was at CBS this morning that he was on. A morning show when the guy was like, so why are you a terrorist? I have to say when I read the book, I imagine if I took your name out of it, took away the awards and the acclaim, took the cover off the book, the publishing house goes away, the content of that section would not be out of place in the backpack of an extremist.

Called him a terrorist. Wild. And then the other part of that interview was when the guy said, so Palestinians don't have any agency in their own apartheid? He didn't say that, but is Palestinians don't have any agency in this? And the way he was able to deftly negotiate that and stay calm, like we're here on this podcast, like, ah, it drives me nuts.

But he's just like. Either apartheid is right or it's wrong. It's really, really simple. Either what I saw was right or it's wrong. I am, for instance, against the death penalty. What the person did to get the death penalty, it really doesn't matter to me. I don't care if they were selling a nickel bag of marijuana

or if they were a serial killer. I am against the death penalty, it really doesn't matter to me. I don't care if they were selling a nickel bag of marijuana or if they were a serial killer. I am against the death penalty. I am against a state that discriminates against people on the basis of ethnicity. I'm against that. There is nothing the Palestinians could do that would make that okay. And it's very hard to combat that with the logical tricks

or the euphemisms that get so often used in this conflict. I was just sort of baffled watching it like this is a morning show and he's like Why are you a terrorist and like if I were to like again, we're paraphrasing but those that's the underlying message That was being delivered by His questions and yeah, it's very just he's like you have a very moral compass on this. I don't know what to tell you Yeah, you know. Well, I thought it was interesting because the question to pose to walls in vans was would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel and Iran and Walls

Didn't answer it's a debate. You don't answer the question you say what you write. Yeah, exactly Well, the US needs to support Israel, but also the suffering and Gaza needs to stop Trump would be awful at this. He's terrible in an international crisis. Okay. I would have liked to have heard more, but that's what I expected. Then Vance talked about, because it was the first question. I mean, that's the best they got.

He said Trump would be worse. Well, they can't. Yeah, exactly. JD Vance was like, well, I want to tell people about my background first. I came from a working class family. I served in Iraq. Then at the very end he goes, but I want to tell people about my background first. I came from a working class family. I served in Iraq. And then at the very end he goes,

but I want to answer your question. I think whatever Israel wants to do is fine by me. It was a whatever makes sense for Israel to do. It's up to them. Like, what do you want me to do? They don't really want to touch this topic with a 10 foot pole. There is no upside to it for anybody. Democrats, OK, so you come out against,

they're not going to, they're alienating their progressive base and worried about being called something else, you know, anti-Semitic or something for going against, or they just want this to be happening and Donald Trump will position himself however. I'm gonna end this war as soon as I get into office, but then can say like, yeah, there's not- I mean, he wants to flatten that whole area. He would not bat an eye if that happened.

He wants the credit of ending the war to do it. My theory is that NetYahu's gonna get as much done as he can now before the election and in between. And Donald Trump can say that he helped the peace deal, but it's not gonna be anything that helps Palestinians. Oh yeah, it won't be a peace deal. And it's, you know, like, and Netanyahu doesn't want to give Biden, not that I think Biden's chomping at the bit.

Well, Biden doesn't care. There's this reporting even, I forget, it's from like a day or two, Biden told Confidants that he did not believe his Israeli counterpart wanted a ceasefire deal, arguing that Netanyahu was trying to perpetuate the conflict to save his political future and assist Trump in November's election, the official said. Then do anything else that you're doing. It's just this again.

It's just very frustrating to see for a year be like, well, he doesn't want a deal. They're not doing a ceasefire deal. You can say we're working day and night for a ceasefire deal. No, you're not. They don't want it. You're not doing that. And every time, like, well, Hamas rejected the deal, did they or did Israel reject the deal because they don't actually want the deal? Every step of the way, all this and just like saying like over and over, just stop. Stop telling everybody we're working tirelessly for a deal.

Say that you don't think he wants one. Obviously there are political reasons and ideological reasons I think for Biden specifically maybe not to say that, but it's endlessly frustrating, especially to see that he knows they know that that's not on the table, but they still have to be like, well, you know, Israel's right to defend itself and oh, the death in Gaza, we're so sad about it. We need to do everything we can to stop it. But also we're gonna send weapons continually and we're not going to call out the fact

that they don't want the deal. We should move on to other topics, right? Because we still have a lot to get through. We gotta move on to other topics, right? Because we still have a lot to get through. We gotta move on to other topics. Abortion. So frustrating. Oh, his lies? His many lies?

His many lies. And he did answer this about as well as he could have given all the bullshit that he said. Again, lies, I don't believe any of it, but up there on that stage, a lot of his answers satisfied the people that don't like liberals, don't like Donald Trump, especially don't like what, you know,

they don't hate him the way we do, they're like, ah. But the abortion stuff is really bad. Nobody likes the abortion stuff. Nobody likes what's happening. But the vague promises of like, no, no, no, we wanna regain your trust, we wanna fix it. Yeah, he spoke, it was effective for the rubes, yes. Yeah, well.

No offense, I know, but it's just. I don't like that. Look, look, look, I'm not, it's fine. I don't give a shit, like my people that I know, I just don't think that that's a helpful way of looking at it. Like we can't just assume everybody's an idiot. I'm not saying everyone's an idiot.

I'm saying he was talking to the rubes. He's saying, like for eight years Donald Trump It's like eight years ago. He said yeah women should be punished for having abortions. Yeah, and here we are He's like well, we got to earn back the trust. It's just lies You can look up so many things. It's so obviously lying and like I understand I understand I'm just trying to make the point that he actually did about as good of a job with that question as he could have given the bed that he himself made by lying. But tonally, he comes off as so, to me, extremely disingenuous. If you believe him, and I want to play, we don't have to watch this whole thing, but

if you listen to him, it sounds not just completely different from everything the Republican Party has stood for for decades, but now that it's politically unpopular, he's trying to pretend that that was never what we wanted to do, and this is all about options and choice, so. Well, yeah, that's exactly what Donald Trump is doing. He's trying to adopt Donald Trump's spin that he's been spinning.

Well, he's, I mean, there's so many things going on. I just, I am not like everyone everyone's a fucking idiot but if you listen to Vance and live in reality and you're actually concerned about things that Trump said and concerned about the abortion thing and you hear this and you're like Wow, they're really like they're doing False assumptions of people that we just really don't understand the way people are approaching this and thinking, I think fundamentally. But let's watch. But if you believe a series of lies by a liar, then that is what is going on.

They think all of them are always lying. The most generous way to interpret this is that we're in real time watching them being like, whoops, we fucked up, we need a backtrack. And that's enough for some people. And I wanna talk about this issue because I know a lot of Americans care about it and I know a lot of Americans don't agree with everything that I've ever said on this topic.

It's this kind of stuff. You're not gonna agree with everything I've said? Say the things that you've said, say them out loud. Like remind us, what are the things? Like it's this like, you may not agree with me. No, I know, he's trying to distance himself but're if you're watching this, you're like, wow, he's like changes mind. Look at what he has said. It's like you may not agree with everything I've said. Which is slightly different than you may, I know some of you may not, it's actually, but, oh, God, I hate how often I'm in a position

when I'm trying to break it down that I sound like I'm defending this monster because I don't fucking like him, and I do agree with what you're saying. At a certain point, I'm just fed up with it, and I can't, like, I understand some days I'm more, I'm more understanding and pathetic, and some days I'm like, write them off. I don't give a shit. Look at this liar. You need these people. I Mean we we do need I mean we need the people to vote some amount of them to vote for us instead of that

Guy sure doesn't matter. We don't wish ill will on them. So the We're fine I'm just saying like one way or another we all have to figure out how we work as an entire nation with people that we disagree With that's what I'm saying is JD Vance is like I'm so compassionate to all the women in this country whose reproductive rights I have to take and then Tim Walz is like we got Scaramucci, you know I grew up in a working-class family in a neighborhood where I knew a lot of young women who had unplanned pregnancies and decided to terminate those pregnancies because they feel like they didn't have any other options. And you know, one of them is actually very dear to me. And I know she's watching tonight and I love you.

Pause it. Sorry, two things. So you know a lot of women have done that and one of them is dear to you? Okay. What? I actually don't know what's wrong with that. I just think it's like, I know a lot of women. One of them is dear to me.

Okay, you know. Well, I would say the exact same thing. I would say, maybe not the exact same thing, but the phrase of like, I know lots of people that've had this experience and one of my best friends in fact Well, that's not what he said though But it's one of them is very dear to me is anyway I Think that I'm not is not a I don't care about this. I'm not like this is the thing that made me I'm just I like clowning on vans because I think he sucks and he's a

fucking but Like oh look at him sharing a personal story when I watch that I am the right 50 I'm 50 50 on whether or not it's even true but Him saying I love ya You don't talk like that man. You've never said yeah in your doing And she told me something a couple years ago that she felt like if she hadn't had that abortion,

that it would have destroyed her life because she was in an abusive relationship. And I think that what I take from that, as a Republican who proudly wants to protect innocent life in this country, who proudly wants to protect the vulnerable, is that my party, we've got to do so much better of a job at earning the American people's trust back on this issue

where they frankly just don't trust us. I genuinely appreciated that answer to a degree. I don't believe it, but I was like, like what you just did was call out that women are abusive relationships and that she does not regret her abortion choice. And him saying that we have to do better. I'm like, yeah, appreciates the wrong word.

I was gonna say, you don't have to appreciate it, he's lying. Appreciates the wrong word. I would love to see the Republican Party do those things. But he won't. Like, that's the point. Like, he's scum. It's a fascist party of weirdos. Because he is pretending, he's like,

we've got to earn back your trust. How, are you changing any of your positions? Oh no, no, in fact, if you have a medically necessary abortion in one of these states, you might die. We're not changing anything about that, sorry. But I really wanna earn your trust. He's a lying scumbag. Especially, and to be clear, as you continue to watch this,

and as this section of the debate unfolds, you know, and he's saying, like, you know, bringing it to states' rights, states' rights, and it's like, well, this is the fucking problem, though, is that these states have these incredibly repressive laws, and women are fucking dying. And then he says, and that shouldn't have happened, that woman should still be alive.

But he's not saying, walking back, the situation, the mess that they created. I agree with all of that. But there was, I just want to say, like acknowledging on the stage that there are women in abusive relationships and that that woman's life, she doesn't regret her abortion.

Like, there are a lot of conservative voters who probably were like, yeah, I know a woman in an abusive relationship. They can relate to that. I think that that is a good thing in general to be acknowledging on a debate stage. And again, I don't believe a damn word from him

or about, anyway. I don't know if I'm making myself clear. I'm just inviting all the, go ahead, call me MAGA, you fucks. No, that's not what I mean. Maybe not you saying that. But like I just it's this kind of like I know you're not giving the benefit of doubt. But like, OK, it's good that he said that because some I don't I just don't think it's good for these fascist liars to be up on stage

and say like the right thing in service of their project. Of course not. But all politicians do that think it's ultimately way more damaging to sanitize what they're doing and what's going on and who they are and what fucking scumbags they are than to be like, oh, that's a good point. I like that he said that. I mean that. Well, and he had to make those points specifically

because he had to say the thing about women in abusive relationships because he previously intimated that they should stay in those relationships for the benefit of children. And then after this, he got called out on supporting a national abortion ban and he said he never supported a national abortion ban, which is a lie. Absolutely. Absolutely. Look, all of, I agree with everything everything you're saying. I'm not arguing with you, I'm just saying. I know you're not, but like, and it's just, it's bad, but like, I am, I am listening, and I'm hearing your point, Cody, about you. Correct me if I'm getting this wrong,

but you would prefer him to go up on stage and stick to the talking points that he has been, right? Like, because like what he's doing up there is the unabout face, and I mean, sure, that would be the best for us if he did that, but also the most honest. But I am just saying, I'm just trying to make the point that outside of politics, outside of who's running and what's happening,

I want us to be at a point where we're all both sides acknowledging that there are women being abused right now in our communities and people that we know dealing with this and having the pressure of this impossible choice of victims of rape and abuse. And there is something I think good about him saying that just for society at large, because there are some people at home that are, you know, so part of the cult that can see that and maybe recognize that more. And this is outside of who people are voting.

If that's the case and like somebody who is like big hardcore MAGA and saw and like wasn't like aware of this or like kind of opened their eyes to something because JD Vance specifically said that, that is good. I just think that kind of- Or but like maybe it gives them permission to admit it cause it's all this cult of personality, this cult of politics. So maybe there are some people,

I'm not saying that that moves, but. JD Vance is on that stage in service of an abuser. Of an abuser of women who is a rapist. And he doesn't care about that. That's why I think he's scum. And I don't like anything that, anything he says up on stage, even it's like, well, that would be good for people to hear.

I'm over it being like, I just don't care. And maybe I'll change my mind tomorrow and's like, well, that's that would be good for people to hear. I I'm over it being like, I I just don't care. And maybe I'll change my mind tomorrow and be like, oh, it's good. And this, this, but he is such a lying scumbag. And that is a perfectly reasonable and understandable reaction to have. I'm not dismissing that in any capacity. Again, I just feel so like observing it in a way. I know. But if you're up on stage and you're like, vote for Donald Trump, an abuser of women,

a serial abuser of women for decades of his life and be like, oh, my friend was abused. That was real bad. Fuck that person. That guy's a scumbag. And again, just flat out denying and lying, saying that he never supported a national abortion ban. It's just like clownish, we all get it.

And there are some people that that was effective. I do, and I don't wanna dismiss that point cause I do think, you know, again, like, yeah, if somebody has realized something or anything. But at the same time, there's this element of like, oh wow, finally, finally, Republican says that. I guess I can vote for the Republican party, which is all in service of this serial abuser of women

Well, I don't think that anybody is being won over by the VP debate I just think people can feel better about their choices or worse about them or whatever But I don't want people to feel better about their choice of voting for Trump. No, I know I don't want them to do it at all, but they should feel really bad But that's that was his job up there Exactly like both of them their jobs were like what else can I do to help my team? Obviously, I don't want them to do well like this the other thing that I had a hard time thinking of a minute ago is he was trying to show compassion to makeup for the

Time when he said it was just in he called it inconvenient To be impregnated via rape. Yeah, it's just like stuff like that. It's like he's, I hate this man. And it's just, I just like any sort of like, oh this, I shut down because nothing he says is trustworthy and he is like he called him America's Hitler for a reason and at a certain point he decided you know what I'm on that team I'm on America's Hitler's team and that's just who he is and what he

decided to do so fuck that guy what a liar he said that couples should stay abusive relationships stay together for the kids. That's a tear, what are you talking about? It's an abusive relationship. Do you think that's not gonna be abusive to the children too? Do you, I just, it sucks so bad. I could keep talking about this,

but I think we should move on to Helene before we run out of time. Should and can. We don't have very much time, not as much as we should be devoting to this. Yeah. We don't have very much time, not as much as we should be devoting to this. Yeah. Hurricane Helene hit the US last week.

The worst devastation was in western North Carolina where 30 inches of rain fell in a short period of time, causing massive flooding. More than 180 people have died so far across six states. That we know of, yeah. Yes, there are still hundreds more missing. flooding, more than 180 people have died so far across six states. That we know of, yeah. Yes, there are still hundreds more missing. There are still areas that are just being, that people are just getting to. Again, hundreds of thousands of people with no power, no gas or water for days.

As of yesterday, I don't know what the updated number, and it'll be out of date by the time anyone hears this, but 1.3 million people were Still without power as a West Wednesday afternoon And of course, it's being very you know clearly politicized so far of What is it Trump is saying that Biden's boggle or bungled the? response and isn't sending aid In the few days after a disaster response and isn't sending aid

In the few days after a disaster Well, first of all, you have to wait for the waters to recede at Asheville, North Carolina was unreachable for a couple days now Obviously, there's been a federal disaster declaration They've got a thousand active duty soldiers going in there to help distribute aid and it's just really sad how even this like you know, like I don't want to romanticize the old days of like Disasters happening disasters of old. Yeah The idea though is like okay. Well, this is the basic Purpose of government is something happens. We have resources. We're gonna rush aid there. We all together We come together as a society and a community.

Right. And there's a lot of ways to criticize Joe Biden. But within like 24 hours, they were trying to manipulate a quote where he said he wasn't going to do anymore, which didn't happen. Like, of course, they're rushing aid. And it's, I don't know. Yeah.

It's like, there's, you don't want Joe Biden on the ground in the middle of the aftermath of a, you don't want any president, especially not Joe Biden, but like- The governor literally said, don't come here yet. Don't come here. The distraction- I will let him know when it's time to come. People are in immediate danger. There's no infrastructure.

Infrastructure has been literally wiped out, washed out. People have lost their homes. Power, water. People have lost entire homes, people are drowned in their homes. People need to be rescued from trees. It's beyond the imagination. Sorry, I can't, I've been watching all these videos of people all week and it's really fucked up. It's so fucking scary. And like people, I just tried to, I can't type on this app that we use, but I was trying to find the elevation of Asheville.

This shouldn't have happened. This is an unprecedented. I'm preaching to the choir, we all know this, but it is the kind of extreme weather phenomenon that perfectly encapsulate, to bring it into the debate, climate change, and that is how they framed it at the debate. Do I want to go into this?

There's so much I could say about this. People that didn't have flood, people don't have this kind of homeowners insurance. They shouldn't have to have flood insurance. And we're going to do an episode on this soon, but we have a really fucking horrific insurance problem that's looming in this country. Our disaster insurance is skyrocketing and people can't afford it. People can't afford to have their homes insured. Then we're up on there right after, as it's happening, mocking people that don't have

it or mocking people that didn't evacuate when it wasn't expected to come there, but also even if it was telling people to leave is So privileged just sell your homes and move like to just move or just pack up and get the gas get all of your animals Get everything you need take pack up and go spend as much money for months in some other location And then when you come back, you'll have beachfront property. The fuck is wrong with you people? Not you guys, and probably not, but I'm sure some people that- No, I've been saying all of that, so fuck me.

No, I'm sick about it. And of course, I want all the aid and everything possible to go to people, and I want us to be helping them, but it doesn't help to just be immediately politicizing. This is the opportunity for all of us to come together. And then we have people like Margaret Killjoy. Ironically, I don't know how this happened, but I did two parts on her show,

cool people who did cool stuff. And she talked a lot about, we talked about Katrina and how the grassroots organizations from the ground up saved so many lives, but also FEMA actively learned from people on the ground activists. And there's reports going around of like how they learned about what works from grassroots organization and how they begin to implement that

and the disaster plans. There's so much that's happening. Margaret spent her own money and went and drove around to the places that she knew people. You should check her out online and see what she's been sharing about the actual on the ground disaster efforts because it's beyond inspiring. It'll make you feel a little bit better even if it's hopeless feeling. But this is an opportunity. These aren't people that are saying like, who are you voting voting for no, they're out there helping each other exactly. Yeah

That's where the real you feel very emotional about this. It's like yeah I love you very much. I am thinking about you a lot I'm lamenting that this always gets tied into politics and I'm about to do that. But because like- Well, that's the show. That is the show. But like on the ground in these situations is where the real humanity is of where people are not asking each other who are you voting for in a month before they like help each other because they're all part of this devastated community. And that's why it's so enraging when a report that came out today where former Trump White House officials say he asked them

how a community voted. Did they vote for him before he was going to send disaster aid? He didn't want to sign papers to send... And it's stupid that the president needs to sign federal papers to rush disaster aid. What are we talking about? It's like, yes, aid. He has to look at it first. But he refused to sign a disaster aid for fire ravaged communities in California because he was like, oh, California, they didn't vote for me.

And they had to prove to him that there are Republicans in California. Hey, there are more Republicans in Orange County, California who voted for you than in the entire state of Iowa. That's how density works. And so this idea that, you know, that, I'm like, you know, it's Joe Biden, who cares? But like, he's gonna do that basic bottom- No matter what. Floor level of government

where you send the stupid aid. No matter what. You know? Whether or not North Carolina goes for- Because he's not a president just for Democrats. Because he's not- None of them. No president is supposed to be a president for their party only.

Which is the problem with Donald Trump. But that is the thing about Donald Trump entirely, is that he doesn't... Who paid for me to be in office? Who's going to pay for my reelection? Okay. Right, because it's not even about the party, it's about him. No other president probably but him has that mindset. There is just a thing, yeah, a president,

like obviously you've got policies you disagree with, but every person is an American citizen and we take care of those people when there are disasters. Maybe we do a bad job, but like we're not discerning in that way. And it just is an obvious thing we know about Trump and we've known about it forever. Everybody knows that about him. But it is it's really grotesque to see that like huge glaring flaw in him as a human being

just be devastating for people like it emanates and it does affect people's lives in very, very real ways because he's solely focused on himself and even if you're like, well, I hate the swamp or all the deep state, he doesn't give a shit about any of that unless it keeps him protected. He doesn't give a shit about you or anyone who voted for him unless they're gonna make sure to vote for him again unless they would do this or this or this.

It's just about him. And it's so gross. Um, like just, I don't know, even like even JD Vance probably would be like, well, obviously like yeah, it's the California, like the Republicans in California. It's just such a, also like, even if there if there was to him even if there weren't obviously but like it speaks so much to him as a not just as a Vacuum as just the most selfish human being in the world And this sort of monstrous narcissist

Not just that but also like what an incurious stupid man, of course, they're Republicans in, California What do you what? No, he doesn't. You understand anything. He didn't know. It's just like it's all these things like you you don't want that guy in charge. Even if you do like some of his policies or like how he's extremely racist, if you love the catty, the cat eating thing, he said, OK, he doesn't care about you. He will spit on you in your face if it gets him an extra day in the White House I swear to god, I can't believe you. I can't believe you katie Um, he would though he would have to agree with you. Um, thank you I'm trying to think if there's any other I mean because we know like nixon and regan

All these people but there's no other president I can think of where every private conversation, where every personal story that someone shares is about them being a inhuman monster. Every story that someone, they're like, oh, I worked with him for three days and he was the worst person I'd ever met. John Kelly said he was the most flawed person I ever met. What? Like every single person. Oh yeah, he said that my disabled kid should maybe just die. He said we shouldn't help those dying Americans because they maybe didn't vote for me. Like every single story that comes out about this guy is he is a unique brand of evil.

And let's not forget Puerto Rico throwing the toilet paper. Right, it was a photo op. Yeah. A photo op for him to toss the toilet paper. I think we did it, you guys. I think we. Bad guys. We figured out the election. We did, we did.

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