Some More News - Even More News: Trump Calls For Senators' Deaths, Insults Reporters, And Begrudgingly Signs Epstein Bill

Episode Date: November 21, 2025

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please contact Connix Ontario at 1866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming Ontario. Hey, hey, on today's episode, we talk about Trump lashing out at reporters and threatening Democratic senators. We also talk about more Epstein files and the flailing Comey indictment. Also, quick programming note, we are off next week for Thanksgiving. But we'll be back with even more news on December 2nd. Oh my goodness. Hello.

Welcome back to Even More News, the first and only news podcast. My name's Katie Stoll. Hello, Katie Stoll. No, I do have something to say. I'm Cody Johnston. Hello. Welcome to me. Hello, Cody Johnston.

Welcome to you. Welcome to me. Thank you. Thank you so much. Welcome to our guests, our guest who we're so excited about, uh, senior writer for a little. Last week tonight, former co-worker of ours at cracked.com. I almost said colleague.com.

And our dear friend, Daniel O'Brien. Hello. Thank you so much for having me. It's so fantastic to be with my favorite people. This is the only way we hang out anymore is doing podcasts about the sad news. We hang out. Jonathan is also here. Hi.

Hi. But I don't want to blow past. Is that? I'm sorry, is that an Emmy behind you? It's an Emmy behind me, yeah. Hidden in your plants? Hidden in my plants, yeah. Like trying to be slightly discreet about it, but not too discreet about it.

It's just if I obscure it with my body enough, then you don't know that it's there, which is typically... You need to get some art to your left that has like an arrow pointing at it. So even if you're covering it up, we know something's there. It's probably better for the plants than talking to. them makes them feel really accomplished so they'll grow even faster yeah I actually try to use it to shame the plants that that just so they could see some symbol of greatness just out of reach for them and then maybe that gets them to step up their game something to aspire to yeah that they will never achieve stupid plans what I I neglected to say in your intro is that you're a seven

time and be a winner it's too many it's a silly amount it's a silly amount it's a silly amount Which one's the one behind you? This is probably the seventh. I, uh, one is with my parents. The first one is with my parents and I gave one to each of my brothers, one to my mother-in-law. And then we have the, the others in like, the others. Dumb places in, in the house. Where am I on that list?

Yeah, how many do you have to get? For us. How far down the list am I before I get it in? Is there a designated survivor situation? I'm trying to see, to get Katie in. you would have to I suppose I can offer up my nephew for this

when he comes of age you marry my nephew and you inherit and then you will get an Emmy because you will be part of the family at that point I'll take it I'll take it if my brother won an Emmy and was like hey you want to hang on to this for a while tell me get the hell out of my house

oh oh you won one of those I didn't hear enough about it already. Did you hear your brother want to net? Shut up, shut up. Yeah, I haven't. He gave it to me. I didn't realize how annoying it is, but I do appreciate that now that anytime they have anyone over, they're like, oh, what's this?

It's not mine. It's somebody you haven't met. So how's teaching history going? It's fine. We've got so much news to get through, but, and we have been chit-chatting, but I'm in chit-chat a little bit more. Please do. Daniel, you guys, your latest episode of last week tonight was all about public media.

And you have this big fabulous fundraiser auction going on. And then the day after you posted that episode, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting agreed to revive a $36 million deal with NPR. And I don't know. Did you guys do that? Was that your success, do you think? No. In fact, it's so surprising that normally, internally, whenever we describe something as the John Oliver effect, what we mean is we talk about how bad a company is and then watch as the next day that company's stock soars. Like we have famously never fixed anything for, never changed anything for the good. So if this worked, that would be fantastic. That's pretty cool. Meanwhile, the fundraiser is going great. I watched the episodes and I went to the website and you've even got, well, I'm not going to spoil things.

I'm not going to spoil what's up there. People watch the episode. I'll spoil it. We're auctioning off a Bob Ross painting original, which is like the big ticket thing. And it pretty quickly is going for over a million dollars, which is people have too much money for like kind of. Kind of a middling Bob Ross painting, if I'm being totally honest. There's also a signed bidet up there that people are bidding on. The thing that made me laugh is that we've, for reasons deep into the last week tonight lore,

we've collected a bunch of wax presidential statues that we featured on the show a few times years ago, and we were auctioning those off. And Nixon is one of them. I can't even remember all of them, but like a bunch. It's presidents. So they're all a little bit famous. There's a Clinton, a Nixon, and so on. And people are bidding on those.

And they were, at least for the first couple of days, they were going for like $2,500 to $5,000 on these bids for these wax statues. And William Henry Harrison hadn't cracked a thousand yet. And it's so, there's someone who works for William Henry Harrison Foundation, who's probably just like, it's, they're all the same thing. It's all just like a wax guy. He can crack at that. It's not really Nixon.

We can give... We're just like... We saved up all year and we can find me a fourth William Henry Harrison's It's like the amount people bid is correlated with the length of the presidency. Exactly. So ultimately, Trumps will go for 10 billion dollars in 2040. I'm kidding, obviously. You're trying to get us to talk about the news, John?

Some news broke this morning that you informed us of. So let's start with that. Yeah, we're bumping things up to the top of the news. We have a section in our doc called Trump Lashes Out because he lashed out a bunch this week. And then this morning he did a he doubled downed or triple quadruple downed on lashing out. So for context on Tuesday morning, Democratic senators Alyssa Slotkin and Mark Kelly along with other public officials released a video appealing to military. members to refuse potential illegal orders given by the Trump administration. We're all worried about that, right? And of course, many of us would argue that these boats in the Caribbean,

those are illegal orders right now, but, you know. And like, you know, the oath is to, you know, above all else, with uphold the constitution and not obey unlawful orders from the president. So they put out this video on social media and the right got pretty mad and Stephen Miller got very angry about this he went on fox news he called it an insurrection plainly directly without question well so before we get to trump because i because this happened for like a day and a half two days and we were going to talk about it anyway a little bit uh because it was it's one of those examples of everyone thinking we're a different like time than we are they're just like the trump guys the like the blue check conservative like freaks sorry folks uh they are like

really, really are just like, when are you going to arrest and kill our enemies? I thought you were supposed to arrest and kill our enemies. And so you have this video that isn't calling for insurrection and isn't like a seditionist act from these congresspeople. It's very straightforward. Don't obey unlawful orders. Very, very clear cut. And then you have Stephen Miller being like, this is insurrection. And you have all the pundits saying this is an insurrection. And then you have this category of people who are like, then arrest them. Then they're doing it. Like they, I don't even know if they believe it or not, but they just want their enemies arrested and killed. And so they're just like desperate. Like, no, Trump needs to actually do something this

time. He needs to do it. And he's not going to, obviously, because he can't, because that's not what it is, which we'll get into an example of this exact thing on a less extreme level. And it's just this swirl of people like pretending that this is an insurrection because they learned that word four years ago. And then pretending like, they're, going to do it this time. This is the one that's going to get them to arrest everybody. It's very funny. It's wild to still be surprised by bad actors behaving like bad actors at this point. But when I watch that video, it's, I try to have an open mind and think everyone is watching this the same way that I am, which is to say, this is corny dork shit. This isn't going to do

anything. Let's just move up. This is the fucking imagine video. Let's just move on from this. We can dunk on it a little bit and then like continue on with our lives. How cute is it that these serious adults like got this script on a teleprompter to put on Twitter to talk to the troops this is so corny this is so dumb and then to hear scrolling for their message on Twitter specifically right it was like oh well I was going to do do crimes for the president but then once I saw all of my favorite people telling me not to it's a muller man children's book right like who's gonna cut like it's that kind of stuff also I think it's an important thing for people to know that if you get an illegal order, you don't have to obey it.

I also feel that the response is maybe predictable and a little, I have two minds. I'm both good message. I agree with the message. And is that what we needed to do online right now? Because now everyone's talking about this insurrection when we're also dealing with, We could just be more specific in pointing out the illegal actions that are happening in Venezuela. We can focus on the Epstein. There's so much to focus on.

And instead, the conversation becomes about this insurrection. And I would not address it to the troops. I would just say like, hey, just in case you didn't know what was going on, here's what's going on. I don't think it's great. Luckily, we have great troops who know they don't need to follow every order from the president. If you also watch you get home, think this is a problem, then. here's the phone number to call or here's the way to show

that you don't think we should be bombing a bunch of potentially fishing boats guys in the Marines right now are like do you see what Slokkin posted did you see the new Slotkin drop right they're ready to go

but let me get into what Trump so Stephen Miller must have told Trump first thing this morning because last night he's still posting about Jimmy Kimmel because Miller was like this an insurrection

and I'm sure he saw all the people like didn't arrest him like then stop doing Stop pretending and start doing it. And so he... Yeah, so he started by retruthing a bunch of people who were, like, arrest them. This is sedition. He retruthed this person P78, who all caps posted hang them, George Washington would.

Important to note that that person's profile picture is a red iron cross, which... Could be a biker thing. Could be a biker thing. In the context, probably not, but I don't know. Just point it out. All right. So here are a few truths. Daniel,

am I correct that you have not read or heard these yet? No, I woke up and gave blood and then I've been closing out my garden. I'm on hiatus right now, so I don't know what's going on. Do a good person stuff. All right, 608 a.m. It's called seditious behavior

at the highest level. Each one of these traders to our country should be arrested and put on trial. Their words cannot be allowed to stand. We won't have a country anymore. An example must be set. President, DJT. 6.17 a. Well, to be clear, this is right after, because he gave blood this morning, too.

And so this is just sort of him. He's kind of loosey. He's a little, yeah. He didn't get his cheese. He's sucking down an apple juice. 6.17 a.m. This is really bad and dangerous to our country. Their words cannot be allowed to stand.

Seditious behavior from traders, lock them up. Three question marks. President DJT. And then finally, 7.21 a.m. Seditious behavior, punishable by all caps, death. Ooh, really on a. tear so yeah that's the reaction so and this is him this is him not retruthing this is him saying those were his statements the video the people in this video uh are are should be killed

punishable by death it is the people in the video were engaging in seditious behavior which is punishable by death were his words that they don't have to follow illegal orders. I just want to point out that this morning, uh, press secretary Carolyn Levitt, uh, was asked,

does Trump want to execute members of Congress? And she said no. Okay. Case closed. Did they follow up and be like, but he said that he did? Um, like,

like, do you want to watch the clip? Do you think, do you think president wants to execute people? And they're like, no, he doesn't. Like, okay, but he said he did.

So your response, ma'am. All I'm seeing. are some of the clips and you know she misrepresents what they said she's like they're you know they're telling service members to ignore lawful orders from the president and then they're following up they said unlawful orders he said unlawful and then they were like by the way what did he mean what he called a reporter piggy oh good in this press conference today yes uh should we talk about that yes the bottom of everything yeah from some journalists who were like So this question used to be at the top of my list

And it got bumped down A few pegs after this morning But if we've got time I was going to ask about the deficit, madam But I will ask about the president Calling a Reporter Piggy When she asked about Maybe he's about a file

He does He does take it especially harsh When people bring up Epstein stuff Like these are the things that have made him last Why do you think that is? Probably because there's something He's worried about being in those files That agreed to release

So So just for a context, if you somehow haven't seen, Bloomberg's Catherine Lucy on Air Force One asked something like, it's hard to hear. She asked something like, why were you against releasing the Epstein documents for so long if there's nothing incriminating in the files? And he points at her and he says, quiet, quiet, piggy. Sir, is there nothing incriminating in the five-based playlist? Quiet, quiet, piggy.

I hated that so much. I mean, obviously. it's been it's been years you know but like sometimes I'm just like fuck you piece of shit you're just a piece of shit you fucking every day disastrous man monstrous like fucking fuck you

I've only experienced this interaction through text and like text on screen of re-blue guide etc is there a reaction on the plane it's like in my mind when the president or anyone says quiet piggy

to another adult person. There's a big New Jersey. Oh! Was there anything like that from a group of people? Anything. What was the sound? It seemed like silence to me. It was the next question.

The gaggle, right? They just moved on. There wasn't even like muffled through the cockpit door. Oh, shit! From the captain. There was nothing like that. Not everybody, maybe not everybody heard it in the moment. It wasn't chaotic.

It's chaotic. It's chaotic. But it's one of the same. those things were however many years into this well with a pause a pause for a few years of Donald Trump being president and every time he's on a microphone every time he's answering questions something outrageous comes out of his fucking mouth and so it's hard I think you would yes that would be a normal reaction to something like that people yeah yeah whoa but it's a barrage all the time and I think sometimes there's that did he just say that did he does that what he said because he

says it in such a there's such a there's a real viciousness to this one in particular um it really like knowing knowing his history of like just how he treats like women yeah in his in his life in his personal life and generally it's just like really really disgusting it gives like a really dark window into a lot of stories about him with women in his life. In response to a question that, again, is like not even a trollingly rude question. Not that the president should be immune from people being rude to him. But it wasn't even a question that was like, are you nervous that you were on the Epstein list because you are a pedophile, you piece of shit?

it was like a very bland reasonable journalism question of just like hey before you were against this thing coming out and now you're for it but yeah what's going on this is an interesting story we've all had why are you acting this way it's the question we keep bringing up why did you act this way if there's nothing bad you're the president and that's not it though this week yeah I made a little because the the next thing in the Oval Office with Muhammad bin Salman happens over a few different questions, so I cut it down a little bit, but I would like to play this. It's 90 seconds if you guys would like to watch. I got time. I'm ready. You guys all have 90 seconds?

I got, I do. I got 90 seconds. For this? Sure. For this guy, you bet. For Muhammad bin Salman? Mr. President, is it appropriate, Mr. President, for your family to be doing business in Saudi Arabia while your president, is that a conflict of interest? And your loyal highness, The U.S. intelligence concluded that you orchestrated the brutal murder of a journalist. 9-11 families are furious that you are here in the Oval Office. Who are you with? Who are you? Who are you with? And the same to you, Mr. President. Now, who are you with? I'm with ABC News, sir.

You with who? ABC News, fake news. One of the worst, one of the worst in the business. But I'll answer you a question. I have nothing to do with a family business. I have left, and when I've devoted 100% of my energy, what my family does is fine. He's done a phenomenal job. You're mentioning somebody that was extremely controversial. A lot of people didn't like that gentleman that you're talking about. Whether you like him or didn't like him, things happened,

but he knew nothing about it, and we can leave it at that. You don't have to embarrass our guests by asking a question. Mr. President, why wait for Congress to release the Epstein files? Why not just do it now? Well, it's not the question that I mind. It's your attitude.

I think you are a terrible reporter. It's the way you ask these questions. You start off with a man who's highly respected asking him a horrible insubordinate and just a terrible question. And you could even ask that same exact question nicely. You're all psyched. Somebody psyched you over at ABC. You're going to psych it. You're a terrible person and a terrible reporter.

I just can't. Where'd you go, sir? You're a terrible person. person and you're a terrible reporter. He's horrible and then funny and horrible again. It's really, there's a lot there. There's certainly,

was he trying to say, you guys get all psyched up to come at me? Is that what he was doing with the psych thing? Yeah, you get psyched up and then you get, it's like they suck you up and your energy's up and you come at me and then, yeah, I think so. It's,

it seemed like because psych is not a word that is part of his idiolect. You don't hear him using it often. And it seemed like maybe it had been recently planted. Maybe someone else very casually was like, they got, watch out. They're really fucking psyched up to talk about this. And that snuck into his vocabulary. And so he said it a couple of times. And then he goes off somewhere a little bit just be like, this is, where do, what usually comes after this word?

This is all new for me. This is not one of my usual things. Where do I go now? he really is it a is it a verb is it a noun how do i use what's what's the word you i think i want to call them psychos that's adjacent to what i'm doing right now but i don't think that's what stephen miller said this morning you're psyching you're psyching up but yeah you know his old standard of pivoting from a question to just insulting the reporter especially a female reporter it's just boring um yeah he would have answered the same if she said it nicely which she did

anyway. Yeah. The Muhammad bin Salman part of this and the questions that are being asked are very, very important. I respect for asking that question.

And he came about that guy you killed. Also, bring him 9-11 too. He comes so close to saying a normal thing when he starts saying a lot of people didn't like this guy whether you liked him or not.

And then I thought, ah, this is when a normal person comes in and and says, you shouldn't be murdered and chopped up into little bits and pieces by a crazy person in the government. But no, he said, whether you like him or not, things happen, don't bring it up, you're embarrassing our guests. And it just seems like, I don't know that the far right conservative or even internal White House ghoul talking point was Koshigi. was kind of a piece of shit. Like, that's not part of a narrative that I'd heard anywhere in the country. And in any, I'm talking with the same group of people.

We all are on the same beat. We consume a lot of far-right media and, like, everywhere on the spectrum of conservative right to far-right, all of it. It hasn't been, no one was coming out and saying, like, the journalist was kind of a jerk. The journalist kind of had it coming. He deserved it. Everyone was in pretty much lockstep agreement. It was like, well, you just can't kill journalists. That's just a thing we were not cool with.

And even like the, I mean, that's a home run for the whole country to be mad about that. But it's Trump now saying it into existence, this was not a really nice guy. That's going to be it now. That's going to be his talking point forever. And that's going to be... It already has worked. I have since that clip, I have seen people be like, yeah, he deserved it, actually. Yeah, he was not controversial outside of the Saudi royal family, right?

And, like, Trump could have avoided this because every president has to explain why we're so buddy-buddy with these people, with a brutal dictatorship, with their human rights record that definitely murdered this journalist for the Washington Post. Wasn't there a thing like Biden? fist bumped him or something and that was like a big controversy. So he had to go there for oil or to try had to. Yeah. But, uh, you know, trying to to bring down oil prices here in the United States and everyone was up in arms because he fist bumped him. Yeah, but this goes back to Bush.

There were books written about how they were the, the, they were so close. So, uh, Trump could have avoided this by, you know, not inviting him into the Oval Office for a press conference where he was not doing a course going to be asked about that guy he killed. Well, he needed to bring him in so he announced that they're a non-NATO ally now because he's collecting he's collecting non-NATO allies now. It was like a huge state visit. Oh, yeah. He spent a lot of money on this. I love the idea of like, oh, you're being so rude and how dare you be rude to this guest and like, oh, my God, I'm so upset with you.

But like the thing that you do, you get mad at actually is when somebody allegedly doesn't say thank you to you. Right, like just the the juxtaposition of this moment and then Vance being like, you didn't, you didn't thank us once. Like, what is this weird fake like manners administration? Yeah, she's being insubordinate as if she has a responsibility to be subordinate to NBS. Those little words slip in sometimes like, oh, you just, it's the king stuff. It's really obvious. One more thing to point out regarding this story before we move on to say. something else is that Alexander Vidman's brother, Eugene Vidman, who is a member of Congress,

has apparently heard a phone call that happened in 2018 right after the murder of Khashoggi that is apparently extremely disturbing. And it's between MBS and Donald Trump. And he is calling for that phone call to be released. I have no idea what's in that phone call. He's probably like, you've got to do what you got to do, man. And no one... Things happen. You know, obviously the cost, the price of coffee and gasoline matters a lot more to most people

than some phone call they had after the murder of a journalist they've never heard of. So it's like, we might hear it and it would land with a thud with everyone except for like the DC journal crowd. Well, that's a thing because like there's this, you know, on the far right, especially in the right when conservative culture generally they just are they just hate journalists so much um and do want them to just uh in a lot of cases and so like i they would be cool with it if the uh i have suspect that that call involves trump maybe with sneaky language maybe not insinuating that he wishes he could do that 100% right when it's at this point in time they'd be like yeah we wish you

could do that too trying to think of what someone else means when they say There's a very this is a very disturbing phone call. I think that's one hundred percent the only like short of hearing someone die on the other end of the phone the part that would be would make it disturbing would be Trump saying you know off the record directly into a telephone between you and me. I have always wanted to do exactly what you did to that journalist or it's aspirational all of it. So the other thing that was brought up by ABC News is Mary Bruce there. after which he called her a terrible reporter and a terrible person was about Epstein. Real quick, though, I do. Just a dumb thing that occurs to me is when she's asking the question and he asks repeatedly, who are you with, who are you with, who are you with? And she says ABC News and he says fake news. I do, I don't know why he asks because he has that locked out loaded anyway.

There's no version of this where she says, one America network. And he goes like, ah, fuck. one of the good ones damn it why he goes through the whole like charade of this there are two things I really want like in another quiet piggy situation

just somebody like fuck you man fuck you yeah eat your own shit oh I can't be on this stupid plan anymore fine that's okay I'll write a book it's okay exactly just one just one of that it's been years but also I was going to say like they should do that

just lie who you with I'm with One American News. Yeah. I'm with your boys. I'm with Newsmax, buddy. You love me. I'm with the Trump journal. He's not going to be like, no, you're with ABC News.

I'm familiar with you. He doesn't know. This week, the House and the Senate overwhelmingly approved the legislation that requires the release of the Epstein files from the DOJ. Trump signed it after he told them to stop being against it and sign it, which doesn't make a lot of sense because he can just release it. He can just do it at any time. So for him to say, you could have just.

sign the thing that makes me do the thing that I could always do, uh, whatever. Did you guys see Mike Johnson just spiraling out of control as all these votes came in? Like, is he like stress, like sweat? Well, because his whole line was like, I'll vote for this in the house, knowing that there's going to be changes in the Senate. So last we spoke, it was like, okay, it's going to have to get change in the Senate and then go back to the house and then kick down the, kicking the can down the field further. Okay.

but then he was on camera when the Senate vote happened and he basically ran off like this wasn't supposed to he's got fine Mike Johnson has got such a tough racket

that guy he is not allowed to have any conviction about anything there's the ground is never stable for that guy and I don't have any sympathy for him or anything like that I just look at him sometimes like if anyone was going to have a Michael Douglas falling down

moment and just go on a rampage somewhere. It seems like Mike Johnson who was just going to snap one day when he walks up to a microphone and he's like, blue is the color of the sky, blue is the color of the sky. And then someone was like, President Trump says it's green now. It's like that was it.

That was the last thing keeping me tethered to reality. Off I go. I haven't seen the sky. I'm not familiar. It's highly possible. I haven't seen the sky. I haven't seen the sky. I haven't seen the sky. I was busy looking at my phone to monitor my son. habits. I only bring this up to say it's unclear. They're clearly trying their best to walk this line or figure out what to do. They're in panic mode. The plan had been to delay this further,

but the groundswell of support. And then the president saying you could, putting his backing behind it officially gave people the freedom, you know, vote for the release. However, However, Jonathan has more stuff to say about what's about to happen. Well, he probably felt a lot more comfortable doing that and saying that once he asked or demanded that his attorney general open up a new investigation into Epstein's ties to prominent Democrats. And then Pam Bondi said that she had done so because new information, new information, information, additional information has come up. and now we're going to start an investigation, which of course means that certain records can be withheld if they would jeopardize an active federal investigation and they get to decide what that is. So we are going to get some stuff within 30 days, they say, but, I mean, is it going to be the stuff that people want to see? You just literally can't trust, you can't trust information coming from Donald Trump about Donald Trump in the Epstein files.

How could we ever? I want to clarify Jonathan was quoting her when he said new information and information and additional information Oh, that's for real? Yeah, that's real fun.

It is a mix of the two Lubowski quotes where he says, new shit has come to light, you're not up on all the new shit and when he goes papers, my papers, business papers. It is like her stumbling around

trying to be like, well, we've got a lot of new you know, there's like, oh really? After years of this case, the man's been dead for six years and you're like, something just came up.

The day after he ranted on the public social media site he owns that I have to investigate Larry Summers, who's had a real bad week, a really funny week. Oh, yeah, Larry Summers had a bad week. It's like everyone else gets to skate through, but it's like, oh, I didn't know we were doing that anymore. He has to, like, immediately step back from being a professor. Is he doing that? Yeah, he's good, good, okay. It was unclear to me. Yeah, good, good.

Because he asked the sex offender how he could, like, lure a, what, a grad student? Yeah, it's, yes, he should not be doing that and have a job anymore. He seems to have become quite obsessed with that young woman. Do you think his signature on the, when he signed a bill, is a match for the signature on that birthday card? That hot, thank his birthday card? Yeah. Do you think they're the same?

Do you think it's the same signature? I think that would be a nice piece of art for us to look at. That's going to be interesting if the deed. E.OJ releases that fake piece of, because that was not an official when we did finally see it. That was like a leak, right? That was from, uh, so there's like different collections of like files. That was from Epstein's estate. Yes. Um, that they released. The same with these emails were from, I believe, from Epstein's estate. So the files that are going to be released are a completely separate thing. There were probably the overlap. Um, so maybe there's something even more.

incriminating and embarrassing about that very incriminating and embarrassing and shameful and disgusting card that is all the evidence I need I mean it's interesting that yeah that's the thing that leaked so if there was something else it probably would have leaked something else like more than just like circumstantial he was generally being a creep I mean yeah it's definitely going to be like embarrassing for him in a way like you're going to see a lot of again with these emails was like yeah like they're making funny you they don't respect you like you're kind of the butt of the joke for a lot of people

and you're obviously a creepy weirdo if not something that's like oh you definitely were involved in this yeah we're not going to get the email that is a picture of Donald Trump on the island doing crimes and good I don't want to see it either yeah their scrambling is

you know we've talked about so many different instances of this kind of thing where they're like scrambling to like either protect somebody usually be Donald Trump, or to go after their enemies for the reasons that they just need to conjure up, which is not to say that they're conjuring up any Democrat that's involved with Epstein, but the fact that it's like, we got to do, we got to do this. We got to make sure, okay, we're going to reopen an investigation so we can't do this. And they do this all the time

with, again, with the podcaster government that we have. They're so incompetent. And the same thing with the sedition video. They're like, we got to like, we're going to like arrest them. Right. No, you're not. That's not how the law works. You're going to try, which is all to say, I think we should talk about this Comey thing. So another person who's had a bad week is Lindsay Halligan, the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, who was given the job. The real estate insurance lawyer, to be clear. But at any rate, she was given this job specifically to go after Trump's political enemies, which she did. She indicted James Comey.

So first, a federal magistrate judge concluded that Halligan, who presented the case herself to the grand jury may have made quote fundamental misstatements of the law in her instructions so the she she suggested that mr. Comey does not have a fifth amendment right not to testify at trial which of course we've all seen law and order or been on a jury or heard anything we know people don't have to testify in their own defense and that the jury is not supposed to read anything into that she may have given that we don't know it would like the statements that she gave to the grand jury are redacted so we don't know what she said

but that suggestion was made and then the judge suggested that the way Halligan said the instructions gave the impression that it is Comey's burden to prove his innocence rather than the government's burden to prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and this one is great

this is from the judge second the prosecutor told the grand jury that there was redacted we don't know that statement clearly suggested to the grand jury that they did not have to rely only on the record before them to determine probable cause, but could be assured the government had more evidence, perhaps better evidence, that would be presented at trial. That's my favorite thing in the world. I love it so much more. I've got much more where this came from. You like what you see here? There's more.

What could she have said? We are saving the better evidence. We have it. You can't see it. It proves he's guilty. So like, do we even need to go through all this? We don't even to go to this. Just trust me. You trust me. And you can't defend himself, but also, she never officially, like, filed it, the second one. Well, you can't officially file stuff. What? Again, it's just this.

And maybe at one point it'll work and they'll get somebody where it's like, ah, they really just cooked the books on this and they managed to do it. but it's just every step of the way you know you have to do what Donald Trump wants you to do just go after his political enemies and not all of his political enemies or perhaps even most do crimes

and so he's just forcing like you gotta find a crime did the mortgage fraud do the mortgage fraud sir you've done mortgage fraud no do their mortgage fraud okay well find them for this get Comey for this and then he gets some

fucking real estate insurance lawyer who's never done this before doesn't know what she's doing to do it and fake it and real serious people are in charge still in some places and it just doesn't work it's so funny somewhat comforting isn't it

I mean the whole point of all of this isn't I mean I'm sure they would love to get a conviction out of it but more important I would imagine is just literally tying people up in trials is just literally saying because our attention spans are so short there's so much going on

it's like well Comey clearly is a criminal because he's under trial No, dude, he's not. And the act is a hundred percent. It does not matter what the outcome of any of it is, literally just the headline of, see, I got this of that. And now you get to just spin it like, oh, it's probably Biden judges or whatever that are stopping me from doing this when it's just clearly. It's a thousand percent headline, you took the word right out of my mouth, is that you don't need to give him anything other than a headline that he could point to. And I'm sure a lot of it is his own trauma response to being on.

debate stages with people who have been like, this is a man who is convicted of this many counts of this, who is currently on trial in this circuit court of New York and is currently this thing and just Trump thinking like, I want to be able to say that about people. I want to be able to say that Comey is under investigation by a grand jury, whatever that means. I want to be able to point to it and say it's happening. So someone just give me that. Someone just please give me this person is, it sounds like, this person sounds as bad as, Why even me? That's all I want.

So it got, things got worse for the case for Lindsay Halligan from here. Jonathan. Wait, how could you possibly? She then goes in front of another judge, her specifically, and, you know, other lawyers working on the case. They go in front of a separate judge who is looking at different indictments. And this gets a little confusing and I'm not going to try to get into the technical aspects. But essentially, the grand jury. originally said yes to these two counts no to this other count and they thought that the grand jury

it said no to all three so they tried eventually they were like okay these two are good the other ones not and so they wrote a different indictment which is just those two counts and then the four person of the grand jury signed off on it without seeing it and she like turned in the one that like it's basically the same stuff but she essentially filed an indictment that had not been shown to the grand jury, which she then admitted to this different judge in what the New York Times described as a, quote, excruciatingly awkward hearing.

It was filed illegally, basically. You're not allowed to do that. The grand jury has to see the thing that you're filing. It's just like, oh, yeah, I fixed it. Just sign it. Like, you know, we talked about, you know what's in there. Just sign it.

And they did, and you can't do that. And she either was like, screw it or didn't know them. you're not allowed to do that because, again, she's never done this before. I think she didn't know. Yeah. You think she didn't know? I think, yeah, it's possible.

I mean, if not probable. I just also think that if you go through all the proper channels, it would have run the risk of being rejected again. So either she didn't know or they're purposely like, just turn it in, just turn it in, just turn it in, just get it done. This is better for us because then there's no pushback, there's no guff. Make the law work for me if I can wiggle around it. want to know more about the awkward conversation with the judge. I want to know more. It sounds super embarrassing.

I feel really bad. Well, right. All the redacteds. I'm like, what did she say that was so like, terrible? She might have even just said, like, the evidence or the other evidence we might, or other evidence. I want to know how she insinuated it. You're right.

Yeah. Or the better evidence that's on this way, trust us. And the, the last thing that was kind of embarrassing for them is that one of the lawyers, this guy, Tyler Lemons, who, quote, appeared unnerved under questioning, according to the New York Times, confessed to the judge that the previous prosecutors who were working on that case drafted a memo where they said, here's why we're not prosecuting. We don't think there's enough there. And then they were told not to, like, don't mention that. Like the deputy AG's office told them, don't bring up that there was a previous memo saying, we're not prosecuting these guys. But of course, Mr. Lemmon, doesn't want to get disbarred by lying to a judge so he's like oh yeah there's a memo or they said like at first from what I understand at first

he was trying to be cagey around it but then ultimately was like yeah I was told not to talk about specifics or whatever way he phrased it but yeah they knew they had the letter they knew that there was nothing

worth pursuing seems like a pattern seems like that headline well the next the headlines going to be case like judge throws out case against Comey Trump attacks the two Biden judges activist judges free the yeah whatever it's going to be I mean I'm glad when the the judges do the right thing ultimately I I've been we can cut this if you want I've just been struck by something since I was to this search engine podcast that I love very much it was

about this guy who was writing a book about the differences between China and America It's someone who had, was from Canada, lived in America for years, lived in China for years, came back to America, and it's just like observing the many differences. And one of the things that he, like, sort of like, to boil his thesis down is that China is run by engineers and America is run by lawyers. And he was just going through like the amount of our founding fathers who are lawyers, the amount of people in Congress who are lawyers and the amount of like presidents. in history who have been lawyers is really high and just how much our country is run by lawyers doing lawyer stuff and a how that's just like very disconnected from what the actual population it's just like not a reflection of most of us aren't lawyers is the thing um and b it just means that like everything turns into these strange legal fights and things get kicked up courts and to different

courts and now there's judges that are that some of the judges are good and some of the judges are bad and I'm just there's a part of me that um values justice and appreciates that we have a system of laws and and I'm thrilled when they work and another part of me that is like this is so boring I'm so sick of hearing about the judges and hearing about the legal fights even though like boring is good it's still I know that makes me a dummy but it's still just I just it's It's exhausting or they found this. It's such a tricky, sneaky system, from my perspective anyway, because you're right. Most of us are not lawyers and are not trained to read these dense law materials, judicial proceedings.

There's so many ways that you can gamify the system that you're like, I found this loophole, this convoluted, absurd. obscure whatever and the rest of us have no idea what the fuck they're talking about their words we don't know and it's meant to keep us what was that I'll we'll discuss it in a second but keep going throw a quarter at you um yeah are you playing quarters right now playing a little game it's okay but but like even like like getting someone or something tied up in the courts is a method of achieving your ends at this point and it's just it's all so

fucked up and not what the law should be used for and so like the thing about me with doing podcasts is I'm not allowed to have things on my desk because I play with everything and I have this little guy I'm holding it up to the camera it's um it's like uh

yeah hooks on to a microphone stand and holds the cable and I have a quarter and I thought that's interesting the quarter is almost the same size as this thing And then I thought, I was playing with a quarter and I wedged the quarter into like the gripper of this thing Which was very satisfying to do. Yeah, and then I put it down and then time passed and the I the plastic thing gave way and could no longer contain the quarter and it flipped on its own up in the air Which as as as as satisfying as it was to find a quarter that fit in a spot that was quarter shaped

It was thrilling to see the chaos. You know, J.D. Vance used to have that problem himself on his podcast, and the way he got out of that is squeezing his fists so tight until it starts bleeding out of it. That's how he got past it. You might want to try that, Daniel. Yeah, he seems like a pretty chill and happy guy all the time. Well, adjusted and normal. Whatever works for him. You know, when talking about this law stuff, though, because you're right, like, oh, well, you didn't.

do this little procedural thing, but the law is just to like give us a basis for the society we're supposed to live in. And so when you have people like Bannon or other Trump allies being like, well, here's the little loophole so that he can stay in for a third term, like we know what the intent of the 22nd Amendment is. The intent is two terms, that's it. Like you're not, you don't really, you don't care about the history of this stuff and like the contemporary writings of when people put that together if you're just like well here's a way we could interpret elected and then sneak someone in there it's like a complete perversion of the the whole point yeah yeah no it's just like finding like the little rules to your advantage making the

argument and getting the the correct interpretation that you've been going for even if it's not yeah and like you're saying like you know and keeping things in arbitration just like being like oh well I'll sue you and then you can't do anything about it because it's going to cost you money and you're going to be gumbed up for years and that's just the threat and so um yeah really i'll indict james combe and just make it look like he's a criminal for as long as possible to like it the things that i want doesn't matter how it ends up yeah and you've heard him do it on the campaign trail too where he'd be like we're gonna we're suing these people we're suing these uh poll workers and they say we're probably going to lose that but that's okay because then we're just going to appeal it in this court

and like his poor fucking audience who has to go nuts about that and pretend that like yeah that's right oh we love the sixth district court yeah exactly like fucking yeah that tom macdonald guy but like here's my new song about the sixth district that we love how wokeness is killing us one more thing about that though just the suing it's like yeah donald trump so much money these people have so much money but whoever you're suing whether or not guilty you're or not, you have to front the money to pay for your lawyers and shit for all of your legal fees. And that is a non, like, most people can't afford it. Can't do that. Well, we did it. We're here at the end of our show. We did it. We've arrived.

It's happened. We solved all the problems. Daniel, tell our listeners where they can find you, anything you want to plug, other than your seven Emmys. I do a podcast with my best friend Soren Bowie. It's called Quick Question with Sorin and Daniel. You can get that everywhere. Podcasts are found including YouTube. You can see our faces when we do the podcast.

I'm on Blue Sky intermittently posting. And I have a substack that is Googlerable where I share book recommendations once a month. I like that. Donate blood, vote, serve jury duty. Do all those things if you can. Everyone should do those three things. If they can safely.

And that's what makes Our society run That's true I think that was a really Really good plug One of the best I've heard Hell fucking yeah General call to action for people

Yeah This guy's a professional folks I've heard some good plugs And I was like I think I can beat that I think I can I can cross that Just get an Emmy for your fucking plug dude

Hey man I'll take it Yeah Give it to me But show us your fist Is your fist okay? Oh yeah You gotta be

You gotta have that bloody fist I've been sitting on my hands Since I caused such a disruption I should try that I'm all I am also a fidgeting have you tried taking up like knitting or something like that or like a like a dexterous hand activity I should when I when we were we used to be in the office and we were in the writer's room doing gangs there was not a lot of like typing done there's a lot of just sitting and thinking and I had to bring a pack of cards so I had something to shuffle to keep my hands occupied because I kept touching too many things and then other other writers where, like, can you stop fucking shuffling? I'm really sorry, I can't. I have to.

I know you want to. I want to, but I can't. Or, like, practice, you know, the quarter trick. That's also dangerous. Do, like, close up magic. You should practice close up magic. I should practice close up magic. I think that would really help.

Okay. Everybody around you and this. That'll be less distracting than the coin flipping, you think, is if I did every, I spent every podcast doing close up magic. Yeah. Okay. I mean, I'd be focused. I'm focusing on the close-up magic, but that's what I want.

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