Some More News - Even More News: Trump Has Known For Months That's He's In The Epstein Files

Episode Date: July 25, 2025

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I urge our guest today to not fact check that, but welcome to it. Hi. You won't need to fact check that but welcome to it. Hi. We won't need to fact check that. Today's guest is co-host of Left Reckoning and producer of The Majority Report. We're very excited to welcome Matt Leck. Thank you. Very happy to be here. And actually my first job in media was as a fact checker for a little outfit called

Full Fact in the UK chasing down anti-Brexit rumors about how the EU wanted to regulate how curved bananas could be, and that later became Brexit. So that was my entrance into politics. So fact checking maybe not always effective. I think I pronounced it dead, given my experience with it. I pronounced it dead in something like 2017, and I think we've been just sort of looking

at the corpse since then. We might be right. We'll maybe dig into that today a little bit. Don't worry, everybody. Jonathan is also here. Hi. Yeah, fact checking is obsolete. Anyway, here's Jonathan.

Here's Jonathan. Here. Matt, this is your first time on our show. And we love to start things off by celebrating the holidays. Got to look for joy somewhere. And Friday, July 25th is National Wine and Cheese Day. That's more normal than most of the holidays we go through, actually.

This is a very normal holiday. There's normally normal than most of the holidays we go through actually. It is, this is a very normal holiday. There's normally something fun to parse out. But I like cheese, I'm not a big wine drinker. I'm not opposed to it, but it does give me a headache. But I'll eat the cheese in a sparkling water. That's not wine. I'm pretty picky about what cheeses I like, and increasingly picky about what wines I can drink too.

Not like in a snobby way, but in the sense of, yeah, they give me headaches. The headache way. I would certainly like to be able to drink a glass of white wine and not have a headache, but. Can't be doing that. This is a great news conversation. What else is in the news?

What else is? Well, Matt, first off, okay, I need to fact check myself. You do work for a type of political podcast, but I would call it more of a live stream, which it is. So I still think that we are safe with our designation of being the first and only news podcast. You literally came here after working all day on your news live stream.

And I guess my first question is, what did you guys talk about today? What was your leading topic? So, of course the most salacious topic is the Epstein stuff. I never know how to pronounce it Epstein or Epstein I've been saying his name since like 2016 but Jeffrey Epstein the guy who died in custody Despite everyone saying let's make sure this guy doesn't die

because he's gonna testify about some important stuff. He died when Trump was in office, and now that's gumming up the works of Congress. Unfortunately, probably the most historically relevant thing going on right now is the massacres of people seeking aid in Gaza that, you know, maybe tangentially related or something like that. But that's probably the main thing.

And it's like, how do you if you start with that, which is probably the most important one, that's what we started with yesterday on the show. It's kind of difficult to really think about anything else. So that's probably the main story. And then, you know, other stuff. What I mean, those are the two big ones. Those are the two big ones. You just outlined it, chef.

Incidentally. Yeah, that is what we're gonna, you know, it's interesting, it's hard. This exact conversation of like, do we start with, what do we do? Like, we can't, everyone's talking about this. You have to talk about this thing, but the real thing is happening, yeah.

And we're very aware that we've given a lot of time to this story, but it keeps going. You guys have a bit more real estate available to you in that you do this every day and have three hours of it. But it is, it's tricky, it's hard, because there are so many things that desperately need attention. And then this guy sucks up all the energy in the room because this is also

needs attention. Um, it's, it's madness out there folks. Yeah. Like I'm actually like somewhat sympathetic with what Pelosi said when she's like, this is kind of a distraction because it's not a distraction, but it is taking attention away from a just calamity of a bill in the bill big beautiful bill power grabs just all over the place like the the gerrymandering Texas like there's so much going on right now and you know it's kind of a shame that there's not like 36 hours in the day and people don't have an extra

four hours to you know consume civically minded content about all this terrible stuff going on. How do you keep... you just sparked it... you're right and maintaining sanity is very difficult right now and carving out time for yourself, peace, moments of joy and just as you're saying that I'm thinking'm thinking, how do any of you guys find time for yourself over there doing this every day? Because the amount of prep that goes into hosting an hour show, let alone a three hour show every day, you blow me away with how much you guys know

and how prepped you are all the time. But then I think it's exhausting like when you get to take care of yourself. What do you do? Yeah, you know, I mean, we get a big giant news packet that one of our producers puts together, just puts like a whole bunch of different articles in that. We try to scan that.

And you know, it's interesting, like I have two different modes after work that I usually like to go in. One is, and usually both are self-medicated, but one is to watch like really stupid comedy stuff like your Kickstarter sucks or like the guys podcasts and stuff, which is sort of like my new Conan O'Brien. Like, you know, RIP Colbert, but you know, now it's podcasts that I sort of wind down for bed. Or I go deep into history. So I'm like reading about, um, the 18th century, a lot of civil war stuff, uh, and that sort of thing, because I think that is almost, it's not a relief, but it's

kind of good to know that like, despite the urgency of everything going on right now, people have faced similar sort of urgency and apocalypse before, and reacted somewhat heroically to it, and not in ways that set the world, you know, right, but at least bent things in a better direction than it's seemingly being bent towards right now. I think that there's some comfort to be found in that perspective. Not that it provides answers necessarily for this immediate moment,

but you realize that time continues, that we have lived through periods of enormous terror upheaval. And we come through it and you learn from that. And so there is a comfort to be found in looking at history for sure. I read, I can't remember who said this the other day, I apologize. But the idea is like there will never be total victory, but there will also never be total defeat. There will never be a moment where it's like, that's it. This is this is over and we lost.

It's like, okay, a lot of people suffered more people than we wanted to suffer. But there's always an opportunity. So to make that number. more people than we wanted to suffer, but there's always an opportunity. Yeah. To make that number lower. And, you know, I like feeling sort of community with, you know, somebody said these modern day SJWs, there's somebody in the UK, I think, being arrested for, you know, being in solidarity with pro-Palestine protesters.

And somebody said, like, these people are treating Palestine like they're like the modern day religious zealots. And somebody quoted that saying, yeah, like, these people are treating Palestine like they're like the modern-day religious zealots. And somebody quote to that saying, yeah, like in America, we called them the abolitionists. And that is true. That is just a through line. That's not even really a metaphor. It's the same sort of energy and apologize for the siren going on. But also, you know, on the other side, the hysterical sort of racism and bigotry and sort of witch hunt tendencies of reaction are the same ones that were galloping after like John Brown, the John Brown raid, when you see the Confederates saying, okay, the entire North,

we cannot work with them, is basically how the Republicans treat Democrats now. And, you know, and then also you go into George McClellan leading the Union forces and not actually wanting to take the fight to that reaction. And there's a lot of parallels throughout history is all I'm trying to say. Yeah, it's good to recognize the shades and and the tactics, because the tactics don't often change. They maybe take different forms sometimes. Obviously, Trump's playbook is largely the same. It's just through his voice.

So it kind of seems a little more chaotic and different, but it's all like the same project and the same tactics and the same accusations. And good to know that they don't always work. Yeah, they know it. Like the Department of Homeland Security just posted that painting of, you know, the, what was it, the Department of Homeland Security just posted that painting of you know the was it the American Progress or whatever shows like the angel of death going westward with the capitalized the 14-word message with the

capitalized H's. They know exactly what they're doing. So yeah ADHD and I mean that's just something people don't know what they're doing I actually got a tweet posted in MediEight this morning because I was one of the people who commented on the DHS tweet talking about, basically capitalizing ADHD, which 1488 numerically or whatever. And if that was the first time, that's one thing, but in Trump's first term, they did this whole thing about, oh, we lost 1,488 kids. And they also had a press release where, like, we must secure the borders in the same way

as the 14-word slogan. There are 4chan Nazis that have been staffed at these agencies, these agencies that just got a giant load, billions of money in funding. They're ran by 4chan Nazis. Yeah. Yeah, exactly, run by working there there and then putting those people in charge of their social media to give the, to be able to dog whistle and in many cases just whistle.

It's really, really disgusting. And I mean, there's some good threads out there that sort of like dive documented, like, no, they've been doing this since 2017. It's just ramped up quite a bit because they know they can. Well, I feel like this is a good moment to, we'll keep talking about what we're talking about. Jonathan, what's the latest on Mr. Epstein? I mean, there might be more latest that I'm not seeing, given how fast this goes, but the latest as of yesterday was that Attorney General, Pam Bondi, notified Trump in May that his name did in fact appear several times in the Epstein files.

Sorry, sorry. So excuse me. I'm so sorry. So we were filming, we filmed a big episode about the Epstein stuff yesterday, just sort of catching everybody up and just being like, oh, he's the guiltiest man ever. And it, I don't know, well, it'll come out next week. And in it, there's a section we talk about, the clip that was going around

where he first started saying like, oh, this is all Comey's stuff. Comey did it. The Biden administration, he's stumbling through it. And that clip has passed around a lot, and I didn't see anybody point out that the question he was asked was, did Pam Bondi tell you you were in the Epstein files?

And his answer to that wasn't no or yes, it was Obama put a bunch of stuff in there and so did Comey and they all made it up. So his answer was yes. And literally 10 minutes before we filmed that part, this dropped that yes he was informed, obviously, in May. And it's just such a funny sequence of the guiltiest man in the world.

Obviously for decades, just slowly just like trying this. Well, that didn't work. Oh, it was report. Okay, yeah, okay. I've never even drawn a picture. Oh, I've drawn many, many pictures. Like every single step of the way. Wrote a picture.

Wrote a picture. Sorry, I'm paraphrasing poorly, sorry. But you know, this can't, this is shocking to me. I mean, shouldn't everybody be in, everybody's been lying for months then, you're telling me. This sounds even more like a conspiracy. One that people, a lot of his supporters in theory

should be upset about, because they don't like being lied to. I don't know. Lies the line. It's very funny also, this lines up with about a week later is when Elon tweeted about how he sent the Epstein file. The online fans are, it's weird because it's not,

it is true that it's not really showing up into polling, but the people who are active in sort of online, you go to any comment section for like Charlie Kirk or, I saw Crowder just dropped an episode on it, like Trump's in the Epstein files, what's going on? There is, there is an amazing amount of upset from, and at first I was conspiratorial. I'm like, is this just Elon juicing the Twitter stuff?

But it is on any platform. The people that are engaged enough to comment, at least. And, you know, who knows how important that is, particularly, but at least it's jamming their communications and their propagandists in a way that's, you know... I don't know, some of them should have maybe been prepared for it because Trump is, again, like all this stuff, even the stuff about the, I'll take the fifth, the sixth, the 16th, I'll just take every amendment against this.

Ken Silverstein reported on that for vice news in like 2015. So like this stuff isn't known. It's just, we need to receive a new salience because and you know I'm curious what you remember about this because I always thought q anon was sort of like the The epstein conspiracy stuff without the actual characters um in a way that was like I thought designed to take some of the pressure off of the actual epstein stuff But he got actually arrested and then killed or died

in prison, whichever happened. And then it became like, Oh, all of this sort of psychic infrastructure about global pedophilia, it actually has to map back onto the thing it was meant to obscure. Right. And now he's been unable to run away from it. I keep resisting the urge to think there is a Trump smoking gun in these files because it just feels like that would be so unlikely. But given everything that's already come out and he's still standing, if that's all there was, you'd think he wouldn't have a problem. Be like, okay, release the files.

I went to six parties or whatever. It doesn't matter. I did a weird birthday card. it's fake by the way, or whatever. We used to be friends, you can spin it however you can, but not what he's doing, he's stepping on rakes left and right. Right, you keep thinking at this point,

he either, either he knows there is one, or he's afraid there is and he's getting paranoid that Patel and Bondi are holding an ace in the hole or maybe he doesn't know who's leaking this stuff to the Wall Street Journal. They've tried to purge as many career FBI, career DOJ people as they can, but some of them must have grabbed or photocopied something on the way out, right? So this, you know, it's it's it's his own hoist with his own petard his own fascism coming back to bite him because yeah There's the paranoia who's turning on you who's loyal? Yeah, it all comes. It's he just seems it's that trap rat thing and he usually doesn't feel that way and it's

He you think he any he knows that it's partly his fault too I mean even we kind of talk about Matt what you were you mentioned that sort of like that's, you'd think, and he knows that it's partly his fault too. And we even, we kind of talk about, Matt, what you were, you mentioned, that sort of like, the conspiracy theory to cover the actual conspiracy. And then the thing happens and you're like, okay, so we were right, but not about the people we thought actually about the guy who was telling us

to care about this was actually doing it. It's not like a one-to-one comparison, but we sort of bring up the like the weather machines, right? Oh, they're doing like weather machines to like change the climate. Well, no, the conspiracy is that like all these fossil fuel companies try to hide all this information for decades about the damage that they're doing to the planet. That's the conspiracy. Your theory is that like, oh, the weather machines from the Democrats are doing this. And that just blankets over the actual conspiracy that you don't want to look in the face.

And now we have this group of people who are like, are you gonna break through that wall? Are you going to be able, or do you need something? Like John is saying, like a smoking gun. It's like, no. There's a letter that, like a video of Trump literally saying, yeah, I did it all. Like we're not gonna get the jinx moment necessarily.

That would be great. I don't think that you get a hard pivot for most people. That would be amazing. Without that smoking gun. I don't know though, people feel, I get the sense outside of being online that there is a deep unease that nobody likes this. Nobody is okay with this. They are desperate to have something else to pay attention to.

They do want to glom on to Obama conspiracies. But I don't think I literally had somebody in this little mountain town say the other day, the people I used to believe, I don't think I can believe anymore. And the people I never believed, I guess I need to start trying to believe, but I'm feeling a little unable to touch it right now, which I respect a little bit. That's hard, it's hard.

The polling shows this unease, that 90% of Republicans still support Trump. He hasn't lost that approval, but the percentage of Republicans who strongly approve of how he's handling this situation is very, very low. It's like 10%. And there's- He's not knocking this out of the park? He's not doing a good job here?

It's 50-50 among Republicans in a way that no other issue is. He is like sky-high polling in every single other thing, even economy stuff. So there's this unease of like, wow, what's going on here? So I think you're right, Katie. There's no bottom falling out. There is this gradual kind of unease the longer this goes on, and it's going on a long time. Yeah. And it does seem like everyone knows that like, well, if we stretch this out, he'll, yeah. The thing I would look for in terms of like a possible piece of evidence is this relationship

and Trump being seen at Victoria's Secret stuff with Jeffrey Epstein is significant because of Epstein's connections with Les Wexner as his basically money manager. Wexner, of course, I went down for some pretty severe crimes. I don't have that off the top of my head, but that thing and the way Trump talks about moving through changing rooms at pageants. Like remember the original Billy Bush thing.

And I believe there's even some accusations about, like, people saying that they worked for the Trump, like a Trump pageant. And then the point is, those women are not safe. And they haven't been safe. And they've even very plausibly been predated on by some of the most powerful people in the entire world. And yeah, like, I think something like that could come out. Cause I think there's a lot of people who have been cowed into silence by

threats of either like legal harassment or worse, that know things about this. I think it's plausible that there is like the drip, drip could continue for a long time time similar to like, you know, Watergate wasn't Poland in a way that was challenging to Nixon for months and months and months and then all of a sudden it was the The the kill shot and the thing to worry about if I'm Trump is You already gave the powerful people of this country what they wanted with tax cuts You've kind of done as much as you can for them. You've already stacked the Supreme Court with them,

which is why they didn't help you overturn the election in 2020, because it's like, look, we got a good haul here. Let's make our escape. Vance will do whatever you want. Like he's not a threat to you. Now it's though, do we want to discipline him? And I'm not saying this stuff is fake, right? I'm saying it's been held until they needed to deploy it. And so the Wall Street Journal

is now very interested in going after Trump. Well, like I said, they got their tax cuts. They might not like say the tariffs or that sort of stuff so well. So maybe it's start time to play some of these cards that we've been holding in our hand. And the Wall Street Journal that these our hand and the the Wall Street Journal that these are two cards that the Wall Street Journal has played I would Imagine they have more or they probably are still alive. Yeah noted noted vice president JD Vance did visit Rupert Murdoch two days before this birthday card Story dropped maybe maybe Vance is betraying his one fake dad

for his other fake dad. Yeah, I don't know if I'm Donald Trump. I'm gonna trust JD Vance at this point in my life. Maybe start to feel like the walls are closing in a little bit. I mean, I feel like the most loyal person to him has to be Stephen Miller because His project is what is polling terribly people do not like this deportation strategy So if Trump goes down and someone else is taking the reins, it's like, okay

Well, we'll we'll settle that down a little bit Yeah, we got a Miller really needs to keep Trump to be the guy so he can stay the Deportation president or whatever section of the government he's the president of. I mean Stephen Miller's political career I think is so completely hinged on Donald Trump at this point. Like Trump's gone that's it for that guy. That little golem. I want him gone from he's like our he's my age. I don't want to have to think about him for as long as I live. He shouldn't have to, exactly. But anyway, the

Department of Justice, apparently as we are recording, is chatting with Ghislaine Maxwell because she's got... I don't know what anyone else thinks her incentives are right now, other than to get leniency, but she's chatting with Todd Blanche, is that how you pronounce the deputy AG's name, Todd Blanche? And he's acting, he's like, justice demands courage, for the first time the Department of Justice is reaching out to Ghislaine Maxwell. What are you talking about? The first time the Department of Justice is reaching out to Ghislaine Maxwell. What are you talking about? The first time.

Yeah, she was part of a giant federal case. She was prosecuted and went to prison. Oh, but no one thought to ask what she knew or who she could, like, she wasn't talking. Oh, it's very funny. They're going through all this. I remember, I feel like maybe two weeks ago when this really started to go, we kind of pinpointed the three things that they were going to try to do. I feel like maybe two weeks ago when this really started to go, we kind of pinpointed the three things that they were going to try to do, but not really try to do them.

The Ghislaine Maxwell testimony was one of them. I was like, okay, so you mean you're, you mean Trump, you mean your lifelong friend? Yeah, you're a person that you've known your entire adult life and have socialized with for decades. The guy who famously pardons everybody who's ever supported him in his life. So there's that and then there's the release the grand jury testimony, which we'll get to as well. Like, okay, we're going to pretend to try to do this. And then the other thing was just simply using the phrase, release the credible files, just sort of seeding this idea. Well, there's some not credible stuff in there and maybe it's all about me.

They've been doing that for a couple of weeks and now we're finally getting this like, well, Obama did it, they're faking it, whatever. There's credible stuff we'll release, but anything else we don't, it's because it wasn't credible. And we just all have to take that as face value. It's very obvious how their plan plan formulated because he had no plan He was like well, I'll just like lie forever and this lever come to bite me in my ass if if

You know the because there was what a house panel Yesterday voted to subpoena The Justice Department for the Epstein files if they're forced to turn over everything and they actually do that's Files if they're forced to turn over everything and they actually do that's Going to contain the birthday card that Trump has said is fake the picture that he's never written in his life, but if that's been in their possession for a decade or Potentially more why would someone have written that what Obama's doing fake birthday cards to make Donald Trump look bad What Obama's doing fake birthday cards to make Donald Trump look bad in?

Yeah, because also there's other reporting about this birthday card book that was made for Epstein's 50th birthday of like Yeah, there's a birthday card from Bill Clinton There's a birthday card from these Harvard professors Like the book is real and there are other people in it being reported on too. It's just he's saying that his is fake, I guess. No, nobody's like he is the president. So it's getting a lot of attention. You know, well, meanwhile, we're getting the steady drip, drip, drip on the other side of Tulsi Gabbard being like paper. Here you go. I found a scrap of paper over here. Here's a tissue that Obama used or something.

Obviously, nothing that shows what we didn't already know about the, it's so funny they want to bring Russia, Russia, Russia stuff back because then we can keep going back over the fact that Russia attempted to influence the election and met with Donald Trump Jr. Trump Jr. is like, do we have to talk about this meeting anymore? Tulsi? So anyway, that's still going on. Ben I thought we were friends. Ben It went to the point where Obama had to, or didn't have to, but Obama released a statement saying what you would expect him to say, that this is nonsense, bizarre allegations, nothing in the document undercuts the widely accepted conclusion,

and then of course pointed out that the findings were affirmed in a 2020 report by the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee, led by then then chairman Marco Rubio who again has he been asked about this? Yet has anyone come anymore? Why would people ask him he's not in the government anymore? He doesn't do anything Marco Rubio is like running He runs like 12 agencies doesn't he? Oh Marco Rubio 12 13 14 agencies. He's the USAID head He's the private head of Social Security at this point. But what about the House though?

Surely they're on this, right? Oh wait, no, I see. Mike Johnson announced that he was sending all the lawmakers home early for the summer in order to avoid holding votes on releasing Epstein files. Courageous, that one. Well, they're not gonna play political games. They're not gonna play political games.

They hate playing political games. And, you know, as you said, he's like, we've always been intellectually consistent on this issue, is I believe a quote from him. Well, they love the process. And any attempt to make the process of the legislature to pervert it to play politics is something the Republicans would never do.

That's funny. The thing about Tulsi being like coming in and being like, we cannot pervert intelligence toward political ends. That's exactly what she's doing with this whole thing of, oh, the secret thing we found about Obama that they never actually claimed. And by the way, the whole stuff about Christopher Steele and that dossier being being in the annex of some sort of thing like that's all a pissing contest between the FBI and the CIA like that that it's any kind of like Severe political thing like issue. Yes, of course like the CIA and FBI documents are political

But the the actual claims didn't come from that steel dossle dossier anyway it was included because the FBI wanted to include it yeah and it's like and then they felt like you know at the end you know maybe not but that burying it would be problematic in its own right and and that's just like part and parcel with the FBI not understanding its role in a democracy in the same way that they like made the accusations about Hillary Sort of like not being in trouble, but kind of we're looking at you Right before the election like that. Just it's just it's just bullshit

That's why you know, it's kind of like the Benghazi thing when there's sort of like Bullshit around whether Republicans know that like it's tough to get full transparency because it intersects with the National Security State and intelligence apparatus, you know, they know that they can play around with it That's what they thought Epstein was before they realized that like oh actually Seeking transparency on this is going to show that these guys were extremely good friends And I think what I heard today is that Trump's been saying I kicked him out of my club because he's a creep I heard today is that Trump's been saying I kicked him out of my club because he's a creep But now it looks like Epstein is in the ban in footage because Steve Bannon did a documentary about him unreleased Apparently and maybe this isn't gonna be true so we might want to wait for verification on this But Epstein is on those tapes saying he thought Trump was a crook

Trump was a crook. And he wanted to stop associating with him. I gotta not hang out with this guy anymore. Exactly. I don't want to be around this element. Also in the alleged, with the Michael Wolfe audio, I think. Thank you for bringing this up. He apparently, Epstein, also thought that Trump was the guy who originally ratted him out to Palm Beach police. Because the timing is,

because the claim is, oh, I kicked him out because he's a creep. But the timing is, their falling out was over a real estate deal in Palm Beach. And so, of course it was over a real estate deal. And Epstein suspects that after that, Trump vindictively called Palm Beach police and said like, yeah, Epstein's got young girls there

or whatever. That's so funny. This guy John Barron called us and he told us. Exactly. And there's also like, there's been claims for years, like, well, yeah, Trump, he helped the FBI. He helped with the investigation. So clearly, there's nothing there there.

I was like, wait, then how did he help them? What did he know? What did he know? What did he know that helped them do this? I was just gonna say, famously people who helped the FBI, yeah, they're definitely the most upstanding, never having done anything wrong type of folks. Did he not get anything out of it?

What do you think happened there? But the idea, the idea? I'm like, if I was Donald Trump, I would just lean on that. Like, no, I helped. I turned him in. But he can't because then you think like. But he can't because he.

And just like, it would just be so funny if like kind of going back to like the QAnon thing, sort of having to be mapped onto this Epstein stuff, if Trump, because of a real estate deal, called the police on his best friend Jeffrey Epstein about this and then 20 years later, it comes back to him would be just such a funny thing. Do you guys think that he misses his best friend?

Does anybody ever think like, God, it would be really great if I could just call Jeff up. I miss our little notes to each other, our little secret notes. I mean, like, I don't think we're giving enough compassion. He lost his best friend. That's true. Those were the days.

And that's a hard thing. We'd meet for Starbucks. We'd just talk for hours and hours. Just real quick, why doesn't Michael Wolfe just release what he has? He wants to make money off of it. He needs to make money. He needs that book.

I want to read this blurb quickly from this morning's Politico playbook. Trump has ruminated about the Epstein fallout for weeks. Quote, they're going to accuse me of some funny business, he said recently in the Oval Office according to a Republican close to the White House who personally heard the president make these comments. Trump again maintained his distance from Epstein's criminal behavior but lamented, they're going to fuck me anyways.

Well at least he maintains it. Funny business. I don't need to parse every single thing he says, he's an alien man with a weird brain, but calling it funny business is a bit telling to me. The fact that the President of the United States isn't like, they're gonna accuse me of some fucked up shit, they're gonna accuse me of this disgusting behavior. It's like, funny business?

Is that really how your brain works? But you know. Also, who's gonna accuse me of like this disgusting behavior is like funny business. Is that really how your brain works? Um, but you know also who's gonna accuse you the files Yeah, the Joe Biden James Comey files My birthday letter that I wrote is accusing me of this disgusting behavior Things you could only think and say about your daughter, not about other children. The potency, the way that they think Obama is just this, I mean, basically a time traveling hoaxster, because not only did he prepare all these documents and have them sitting there and also convince Trump to like, not release them themselves as the Democrats, but convince the Republicans to make it an issue

where they want them to release. But also Obama was smart enough to go back in time and make the Honolulu newspaper carry an announcement of his birth on the same weekend. They knew to do that. Yeah. Yeah. Once in a lifetime politician.

He's got some great skills. I don't think he did a really good job of trying to stop Donald Trump from taking office in 2016 though. Right. I think that think he did a really good job of trying to stop Donald Trump from taking office in 2016 though, right? I think both times either. On this massive conspiracy that we're just being revealed like Yeah, that's the other thing about conservatives is they've spent this entire last four years Obsessing about the 2020 election the one that Trump actually lost as being like this, the stolen election. And they get into power and skip right over into proving

anything about that. And then go back to say, actually, the one that Trump won was unfairly him by delegitimizing it, I think is the argument. Why wouldn't you talk about this whole thing in 2017? If this was such a big conspiracy, why now? And it just blows my, it blows my mind and it doesn't, it's not shocking, it's still hard to accept. Why there are, and there is any amount of people that are accepting this why there is any of their own people that aren't sitting there saying like funny timing this mmm funny I mean they didn't say it was

funny timing when he fired the FBI director that was investigating him so I think yeah in the first month or two like that was, it was so early on. Yeah. Hey, you! Look at me. Come on, look at me. Are you locked in? Because Summer of Cinema is here. Not the Summer of Cinema. What do I look like?

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These attacks occurred around aid sites run by an American contractor that's working with the Israeli government called Gaza Humanitarian Foundation. So all of those hundreds of non-militarized UN-run aid points are gone. These are like American Israeli run aid spots. They use mercenaries, American mercenaries. Yeah. And now almost every day there's a new report, you know, 30, 60, 90 people slaughtered by the IDF just while they're trying to get aid. There doesn't appear to be any, you know, I'm sure they come up with explanations, but it's it's It's harder. He's kind of gone. I've seen them. I've been seeing a lot of

shifts in finally a Lot of headlines a lot of the way that some of the mainstream media is Framing this a lot less passive voice a lot more like Israeli soldiers killed these people Which is like again this sort of low bar of like well, that's happening I guess maybe that will help shift public opinion even more Barry Weiss of the free press of Barry Weiss don't know She's a basically a Zionist propagandist cancel culture warrior from her late days.

Yeah, exactly, right. Her Free Press had an article in May, the Gaza Famine Myth, but even today, she posts an article for the same publication, the price of flour shows the growing hunger crisis in Gaza, important from Amit Siegel. So even Barry Weiss, they understand this is a historical snapshot moment, this absolute apocalypse of famine being imposed on Gazans.

And they're rushing to pose to make themselves look a little bit less ghastly than they actually are. Yeah, it's an economics issue and not a they're being intentionally starved issue. It's like Barry Weiss using the terms like food insecurity is like really like so you're you're doing that now. Yeah, and I mean people like this the the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation is the the sort of outfit that were these mercenaries backed by private equity and maybe some you know Gulf states and probably Israel money. They they and maybe some Gulf states and probably Israel money. They started up, the day before they were supposed to start up in May, Jake Wood quit as their executive

director because he said we weren't gonna be able to operate in a way consistent with humanitarian values. And he's like a military contractor, mercenary. So, and he was like a military contractor, mercenary. And he was right, because thousands of people have been shot at these aid sites and like 700 or so of them have been at the GHF aid sites. And it's a huge problem. Why is there a military contractor sort of out mercenary group there doing this at all?

It's because the UN has been delegitimized not only by, you know, Israel and its spokespeople, but also by the Republicans, of course, here calling it the UN, you know, basically, I mean Reagan's been going at the UN for started going at the UN, conserves has always had the UN, but Chuck Schumer in this year, February, went on to the New York Times to talk about how anti-Semitic the UN is. So, okay, we don't have the anti-Semitic United Nations Relief Works agency there to give people food. We have death squads that are playing, reportedly, like games where on a different day, there's a different part of the body of people that they are aiming to shoot.

Like absolutely the worst type of horror, people running through rubble, hungry people running through rubble to try to get food and ducking gunshots. It's really apocalyptic. And it's designed to be that way. It's designed to not offer aid, you know, a very limited hours, maybe 45 minutes open a day. And so just imagine being in that, you know, what hunger games kind of such a new way should we're like, everybody run at once, Everybody try to get your food while you can. And it's supposed to cause chaos. It's supposed to create sensation, so justify being shot in your right. There's like, today we're shooting people in the head. Today we're shooting people in the leg. It's fucking disgusting.

And you know, there's just very few politicians willing to talk about it anymore. Obviously you have the Randy Fines of the world who think it's a good thing. But in both parties, a lot of people just avoid this topic. They say, I haven't seen the thing. You know, they treat it like Trump's tweets, the way they treated those tweets six years ago, seven years ago. I haven't seen it. I'll have to take a look at it. Or, well, we don't have all the information.

And, you know, we're, as you said, Cody, we're past the point of passive voice. Reuters isn't really pulling any punches. It's not like you have to go to Al Jazeera to see what's happening there. It's almost every day. Which is why you need to hear from the man himself, from the Nelk Boys. If you, you know, we're in an era where even Theo Vaughn is being like, seems like a genocide to me, dawg. Seems like a genocide, man. Too astute.

Yeah, when you get that kind of moral clarity. And meanwhile, the Nelk Boys, who if if you don't know are these like prankster bro You-tubers who are also like became kind of MAGA ish during the last election They just posted the the interview with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu Which I thought I saw the thumbnail. I thought it was a bit Thank you. Thank you. I can we show the thumbnail? Every face they chose is incredible. Guy who doesn't know where he is. And then Netanyahu is like, I can't believe I'm doing this, but I got it for my propaganda. And then the other guy is like the dumbest faces you could possibly choose. They're confused in the thumbnail. It's so

funny. They're doing such a fucked up horrible thing to do. Netanyahu learned the lesson from our election, you know? You just gotta make the podcast rounds. And that'll save him. Just gotta get some of that value tainment out there. I guess they literally gave these guys the questions. So we walked in and there was just like 20 people in suits there. The setup was already there, like both flags, we couldn't touch anything or move anything.

And they don't give you any restrictions like don't ask this? I'll be honest, they gave us a paper with questions to ask. But they also said like they kind of, you know, they gave gave us a script to ask but we didn't really follow it we tried our very best to to ask some questions, but I Think I like like the questions you Yeah Yeah, I don't know dude. I don't know I just read the questions

I was handed what and and which makes me, like was the main question that's been making the rounds, if you're seeing a clip of this online, is Kevin Forgard, I think is his name, the main guy. He's like, wow, there's so much going on, there's all these different sides. It's just really confusing to follow. Let me give you the floor, which is such a bizarre

thing to do to a guy who's as if he's a historian who's like, well, I'm going to try to present this in a way where I give you plenty of historical context like no, he's the guy. I'm trying to sell a genocide to you. That's my my goal here is to sell this genocide to you. And they did get some some backlash, you know, their audience was not on board. They lost 10,000 subscribers in a day. They went, they within a day went on Hassan's stream with Adam Friedland and those guys had to convince them why this was a bad idea, which was very amusing to see.

I don't know how long they were on. I just saw this one clip. It's an advantage for them. And they're using you guys. They're using you guys to look good. Hassan, wait, someone. Bro, why does anybody, Hassan, Hassan. Sorry, I don't mean to cut you off.

Hassan, anyone goes on a podcast, promote whatever they're doing. We've heard of that. They're not, but Benjamin Inyal is not promoting a book, dog. He's promoting a genocide. Bro, we have an OJ Simpson on, we have entertain on, it's the same shit. This is not promoting a book, dog. He's promoting a genocide. That's the point. We have an OJ Simpson on. We have entertainment.

We have the same kid. This one might be a little bit more. OK, none of those things. You do realize that, like, this is the one instance where it's the worst guess you could have, because these guys are bad people. But what you're talking about is the worst person. There's the Biden's envoy to anti-Semitism, There's the Biden's envoy to anti-Semitism is a woman named Debra Lipstadt who was making beeper jokes a couple of December's ago or last December. And the current guy is some dude from California who said like, good luck Minnesota because of Omar Fati. I would make Adam Friedland when I'm president, I would make Adam Friedland my special envoy

to anti-Semitism, and I am 100% sincere when I say he will do a far more ethical and just job than either of the previous ones that we have had in that position. 100%, he's very good at that. Moral clarity with just like, he's a very good communicator, especially to I think guys like this

who need to hear it in a certain way to like really get through to them. Yes, we need to start calling the left personalities great communicators the way the right would just repeat that about Ronald Reagan. Cause if you say it enough, it sort of becomes true. Oh yeah. Just a great becomes true. Oh, yeah. Just a great communicator.

I hear he's a great communicator. Yeah, I get it too. Trump is the orator of our time in terms of quantity. Sure. In terms of quantity, yeah. I will say good job to Hassan and Adam, but also Nelk Boys. Maybe also don't have Nick Fuentes on to lecture you either.

It's so weird to be rubber banding constantly with guys like this. Do you not get it yet? What is the missing piece here for you? Yeah, and I like that they told that they were given the questions in advance, but my question has always been Did you get a check for this?

And if not, like why did you do it? Because at the beginning of the interview they they even say like look We are not qualified to do this. It's probably the most controversial thing we've done and We're gonna do it and that to me is like, oh, yeah You understand that you are just chasing controversy to try to blow up your mind share, right? And hopefully it will not work out for them. And people are so sick of this.

There might be a check involved, but in their minds, there are checks in the future for it. They're doing it for the attention and for all the monetary reasons you can do stuff on the internet. And they think they're supposed to now. That's what people like them do. And maybe they'll really go out of their way to balance it out and they'll have Chomsky on next week.

Net in Yahoo is a wild one though. Yeah, I'll just say like Kyle Rittenhouse is working at a gun shop in Florida So like this idea I not that this should be the thing that discourages you from becoming like a right-wing sort of like propaganda asset But you're not it's not like unless he gave you $200,000 you shouldn't have done that because you are gonna lose subs This is what you're going to be remembered for that guy that was on Jubilee with Mehdi Hassan who supposedly lost his job,

I'm unclear if that's true or not. But he- It seems like he might have lost his job earlier. Before that. Right, yeah. That's what I think I saw too. But the one that fundraised off of it? The one that Sendgo already set up, yeah. And he fundraised off of it,

and I'm not sure how much he's fundraised off of it. Last I saw it was like 25K. But I'm sorry, like, first of all, it'd be nice to just have 25 new thousand dollars. So I'm not saying that. But have you seen rent prices? Like, you're going, how many times can you do that of give me money because I'm a Nazi

before you have to get a job at a gun shop in Florida, basically? It's not a sustainable model. Yeah, there's the, oh, Lily's something, the N-word woman. In the park? No, a different N-word woman. It was in a TikTok, and then she's like,

oh, I'll just do like Charlie Kirk stuff, I guess. Oh, yeah, yeah, the Lily Yetis. But only races? Gaddis? Gaddis, yeah, yeah. Where it's like, okay, so you know that this is a lucrative opportunity for you, and you're gonna go all in on it

but also you're charmless and you don't really know what you're talking about so you only have the racism and Eventually people were going to get bored with that you have a very Morgan's like you're a horrible racist on the air Then you've got a kind of yeah that I invited because I knew you were and I knew I So yeah, it's a it yeah, it's like such a scam, the whole cycle. Not this, what we're doing. This is very, I'm just saying the whole. Oh! This is above board.

Here's my GoFundMe. Would you guys do Pierce? I've thought about that. I don't know. It's so, I've seen too many clips of him that I don't, I wouldn't trust him Like I don't the only reason you would go is to sort of point out his whole thing that he's doing Yeah, you know

Emma's been on it a few times and it's always interesting to hear her experience for it Me I would go on one time and I would bring up that he's a phone hacking criminal I was gonna say the phone hacking is like yes perfect like or maybe I would go on until like he upset me and then you spring that on it like Jeremy Paxman says you knew about phone hacking and you lied about it and frankly like a fugitive of justice right now what do you think about that but other than that I kind of think it's not actually worth any kind of bump you get from the type of people who watch that show.

And yeah, who it's for and what it's for. Also, I don't think I would necessarily be good on that show. Like, I've seen Emma, and she has a great job. And like, Sam would do a great job on there. I would, yeah, I don't think I would do a good job, necessarily. But also, I've seen him, I've seen him so many times try to claim that he's not this spectacle-chasing,

like, debate show guy, you know? When that is obviously what he's doing, that's why he has all these different figures on who fucking hate each other, right? Like, he's like, oh, we'll get this person who has this beef with this person, and then I'll be like, I'm just here for honest conversation.

And I've never seen him sort of have to confront that contradiction. You have to go in with your takes pre-loaded. Because I think Francesca Fiorentini does a good job on this. She does. Exactly, yeah. You need to know. Because she's good at hearing what they're saying, responding, making the points. But then she's got some pre-loaded jokes about the topics they're going to have.

Like she has a way to like get into it. And I think you have to do that. You have to know that regardless of what someone else is going to say, this is a TV interview. You're making your points. Yeah, I think there's a lot of strategy involved of like, you know, you kind of know how much time you're going to get. You got to know how much spent time to spend on reacting Versus throwing your own sort of grenades for other people to react to it is something that you know I think about I've turned out a couple things not Piers Morgan

level but Other challenges I got because I don't I think it's it's something I want to slowly Practice on because I do think you don't want to fuck it up Because it can be so bad if it goes poorly. I think that's what's so scary about it, knowing that nothing is good faith and that there is a hunt for moments to humiliate you when you enter that environment.

And it's such a big platform. And it's interesting, because we show up here every week and we do this on YouTube and subscribers and I want my channel to grow. And it terrifies me to enter into that arena where you get so much hatred. I think that everybody that does it, I think Francesca, Emma are very brave and I admire them for being able to put themselves in those environments. I think I have to cook a little bit longer.

I've also recently learned I'm not the best at interviews, so... Oh, no, trust me. I had Ro Khanna on, and I'm not happy with myself at all. And it is the sort of thing where I think it's probably good. I just got danced around. There's a lot of people in media who see, like, any sort of chance to get more exposure and then jump on it. And I think, like you, Katie, I'm one of the persons

who understands that, or has seen people be overexposed maybe too quickly before they're ready. And I don't, I wanna be a slow cook, you know, crock pot style. Oh yeah, you got a moment, great job. Wait a few, wait a month or two and do it again and not like, yeah go on. Kana can't keep this up until the primary candy.

He's on it. He's done them all. Yeah, I know. Did he ask you guys to be on? He was on a couple weeks ago. Literally, that's what Katie was referring to. That's what I was referring to. I was like, just didn't go well.

Which is why it's hilarious that you said Kana's pretty. Yeah, I was like, oh, so you know you saw my shame. Yeah, yeah. Katie, our shame. Our shame. No. Yeah, yeah. Katie, our shame. Our shame. We can laugh about it. We have fun here. But he's on like six shows a week.

And it's like there's this inundation. And that's fine. You're going to run for president. You want to be this person who can bridge the divide. I have no problem with that. But at a certain point, people are going to be seeing you make these same points multiple times. And it's almost like a stump speech instead of being like Trump going on Rogan, where it's like, oh, we're just going to work having a chat here. Yeah, it didn't feel like we could do that.

Because I think I think Obama is a good example of a guy who's smart enough to know he shouldn't be on podcasts all the time. Because the more that he gets on a podcast to say like, Oh, I actually like abundance. And I think that's why houses haven't been built since, you know, the economy exploded and I was president people. The mystique is gone. Like I don't understand all these venture capital guys or Teal. Why is Peter Teal get in front of any camera? He should just be a loose. Don't do that.

Why does Peter Thiel get in front of any camera? He should just be aloof. Don't do that. Hubris. Yeah, it's hubris. Hubris and a history of lack of consequences, right? He can just do it. No matter how bad your appearance on a show goes, if you feel bad, pick up Peter Thiel on any show

and watch him melt in front of your eyes. Oh, the dying man that we can have on? The guy you can literally see through when he's on camera. Gosh. Well, you you brought up Barry Weiss earlier and there is there are some rumors that the free press might sell to CBS News and for hundreds of millions of dollars somehow. So that Barry can be the ideological guide that all news organizations need to have an ideological guide like that. Right.

So Paramount Global slash Skydance soon is thrown around tons of money. They're paying off Trump. They're going to pay Barry Weiss and they just gave Trey Parker and Matt Stone, the creators of South Park, 1.5 billion. Well, they didn't just give it to them. The deal over the next five years is worth potentially 1.5 billion dollars for 50 new episodes of South Park streaming rights all that and You know the South Park guys can still surprise you their season Premier last night had an episode about Jesus encouraging South Park to settle a defamation lawsuit with Trump

Or I'm already smiling just like Colbert because they're always so quick on the thing. And so of course they depicted Donald Trump with a tiny penis and jumping into bed with Satan and they made a little AI video of Trump and his small penis collapsing in the desert. Would you consider that an accurate description? That's pretty accurate. Yeah. Just slowly stripping while they pretend like it's a pro Trump ad, but obviously not. Yeah, it's funny.

Good for them. It's interesting. You always see like the cat turds of the world, the Ian-Mile Chongds of the world, the Ian mild chongs of the world, sort of posting like a scene of Cartman being the worst person in the world and then saying like, look, see like based. It's like, well, finish the episode. Like, it's not about how Cartman's awesome.

Are you like, do you get it? And I think most of them actually do. They just like doing their little propaganda. But so it's always very funny when this happens and they're like, you have to face the fact. Nobody likes this guy. He's a con man. Everybody knows it just because they don't constantly

do episodes about how he sucks because that's what everybody talks about all the time. That doesn't mean that they agree with you and your weird little culture work grievances just because they hated liberals in like 2005 Doesn't mean that they're on board with this guy. Yeah, they don't like politicians. I just was I Don't watch South Park a lot. I've caught her episodes here there I saw that one a long time. I saw that special where it was like,

oh, everybody has tech jobs and now the handymen are the rich people because no one knows how to fix a light fixture or whatever. That's fine. But I just was like, this is very bold. This feels like a bigger swing than normal for them in terms of political commentary about a specific leader. And I did enjoy seeing it.

And it is of course bothering Donald Trump. Yeah, well, and it puts them in sort of like a weird, weird crosshairs because I feel like, I feel like he's got at least a couple people around him who are like, look, I know you like fighting with Rosie O'Donnell. I know you hate the woman on the view. I know you like your little celebrity spatsonnell I know you hate the woman on the view I know you like your little

celebrity spats don't get involved with these guys like they'll win don't try well also I just love the idea of him suing for defamation for this because then you'd have to prove that his dick doesn't look like that yeah the only evidence is that it looks like a mushroom not that it's small I mean, I I never I'll be honest. I always had sort of an allergy to South Park But I do like that They feel the obligation to say something and you know act on it and it's a tough week for Don jr because not only is he very clearly a South Park fan and you know tweeted out something that they said against Democrats like only a few years ago be like this is awesome South Park never misses and now well they're coming right for you and this is only a week after he's like my dad never doodles and everyone's like well we have very we have a lot of examples of his doodles in the public domain. So you saying, I'm his son and I've never seen him doodle.

It says more about maybe your relationship with your father. It's so sad. It's either you are lying for your dad and you know it. Or your dad just doesn't love you like he loves Jeffrey Epstein. Your dad hid the joys of his life, the joyful moments of his life from you. It's like if I said, my dad never was into archery, and it's like, yeah, he's into archery. He's had all these archery meets.

It's like, yeah, okay, well, he didn't do that anyway. Right, right. We probably hated it. But Trump Jr.'s got to get on more podcasts and stuff because he's planning to go up against Vance and Rubio in 2028 because they're all delusional about who... But all the, all the Gropers want Baron to run. Like it's, Baron's really, he's like sort of the fountain father, the sort of where you have to act disinterested in a higher political office.

Don't seem thirsty for it and then they'll select you as sort of a natural king. Don Jr. is very clearly too anxious and pining for it. Yeah, he's in the corner, just sort of like, I need that crown. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Oh, it's very funny. Barron's young. Yeah.

He's too young based on the Constitution. Well, currently. I mean, that could change. To run for president. Yes, that can change. If we're getting rid of the 22nd Amendment, nobody else is running. You know what I'm saying? I mean, there are so many amendments we could get rid of.

I don't know what I said. All the ones that Epstein didn't cite in not answering whether he... We gotta keep those. We're gonna keep these really important amendments. That video. Make sure the fifth stays. Pretty remarkable. All right, I think we did it.

I think we're at the end of our show. And it was a good show, if I do say so myself. And I did. Matt, thank you so much for joining us. I know it's been a long day for you. You know, we're in the content minds. Yeah, we're in the content mines. Yeah. We are.

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