Some More News - Even More News: Trump Likes Hitler, Elon Hates Election Laws, and Tim Pool's Beanie Babies

Episode Date: October 25, 2024

Hi. Kat Abughazaleh joins Katy and Cody to discuss Kamala Harris' last-minute opportunity to court voters angry about genocide, Donald Trump's unsurprising praise of Hitler, Elon Musk's attempt at sub...verting federal election laws, Blade Runner 2049, and Tim Pool's big little announcement. Right now, Whisker is offering $75 off Litter-Robot bundles. AND, as a special offer to listeners, you can get an additional $50 off when you go to stopscooping.com/MORENEWS. Head to FactorMeals.com/MORENEWS50 and use code MORENEWS50 to get 50% off your first box and 20% off your next month. We’ve worked with SimpliSafe to offer an exclusive 50% off discount on their new security system with a select professional monitoring plan – but you need to visit SimpliSafe.com/MORENEWS soon to claim yours. 00:00 - Intro, Holidays, and Kat's video 04:02 - Is there time for Kamala to pivot on Gaza? 13:22 – Trump Likes Hitler 26:20 – October Surprise? 31:18 - Right-Wing Freaks 35:26 - Elon Musk 47:37 - Tim Pool Timfoolery

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello and welcome back to Even More News, the first and only news podcast. My name is Katie Stoll. It so is. Hi, Katie. I'm Cody Johnston is the name of me. Hello. Is the name of me. Hello. Is the name of you and oh boy, everybody, we've got a really fun, cool, special,
Starting point is 00:00:32 first time guest this week. Okay, she is a video creator for Mother Jones, a contributor to Zateo News and her latest YouTube video is called The Dangerous Reality of White Christian Nationalism. If you haven't guessed yet, we have Kat Aboukazale on the podcast today. Yay. Thank you for having me. There's fireworks now. This is amazing. Does that, that's going to play. That's going to play.
Starting point is 00:00:55 They're going to see the fireworks. Will it? Amazing. I want them to see the fireworks. They know. If you're listening to this audio only, you shouldn't. Yeah. Get on YouTube, check it out. Don't worry everybody that's at home wondering why we haven't said it. Jonathan is also here. He is, hello, Jonathan.
Starting point is 00:01:12 Hi, Jonathan. Hi. Thank you for also being here. Wow, the guest never says hi to me, hi. I'll say hi to you anytime. He's so hi-able. It's so hi-able. People love saying hi to me. At Trader Joe's.
Starting point is 00:01:25 Also your child is saying hi now. Constantly. I'm gonna just breeze on to Saturday, October 26th, cause this one's better. It's National Make a Difference Day. The news is bad. And we're gonna be talking about a lot of bad things this week, every week.
Starting point is 00:01:40 All the time every week, yeah. Selfish bad people are out there. So this is a nice one. And actually, in my morning wake up scroll. Don't do that, first of all, don't do that. I know, but I encountered just a thread of celebrities being normal, but it just kind of devolved into talking about Keanu Reeves.
Starting point is 00:02:01 And I think that Keanu Reeves maybe epitomizes that. Just moving through every story I've ever heard of him is genuine and sincere and frequently brings a tear to my eye. One day he walks in and hears the make on a film shoot. Here's the makeup artist discussing how they are going to lose their house. They need $20,000 or something, and he just gave it to them and buying the crew, the stuntmen motorcycles, stopping and actually engaging with children, with fans. I think he seems like a real beautiful person
Starting point is 00:02:35 who makes the difference. He's the one. Yeah. So if you see Keanu Reeves in public, don't go up to him and say, I'm a big fan. Loudly complain about how broke you are. I do that to everyone and it hasn't worked yet. But you haven't met Keanu.
Starting point is 00:02:50 Are you saying specific numbers? You need to say specific numbers. Yeah, yeah, I am. I am. I'm saying $69 because it's funny. And still no tickers. Still nothing. Come on, Keanu, get it together.
Starting point is 00:03:04 Let's get it together, Keanu. We love you, but it's contingent on you giving her some money. So you have a new video out. We've already mentioned this on white Christian nationalism. I mean, maybe most people know this by now. If you haven't checked it out, you definitely should. It's pretty terrifying. Would you see it laid out?
Starting point is 00:03:24 And is the entire movement even scarier than we already believe? Is there more to it that you think that could be conveyed? Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, that whole video, which I did with the People for the American Way Foundation, is supposed to be like a primer on white Christian nationalism. But like, I didn't even get to touch on immigration. I didn't even get to touch on like, so much stuff that could be included in there. Like just, I could do an entire separate hour long video about racism and barely scratch the surface. The movement
Starting point is 00:03:55 is fucking terrifying. And I hate to be a downer, but like, we should be scared of it. You know, you've talked a lot about Gaza and the suffering that's going on. And of course, listeners of this show will know that we are very critical of what's happening, very frustrated with Kamala Harris specifically, not engaging with an entire portion of her voter base that are upset about what's happening. And it very well could make the difference on election day.
Starting point is 00:04:25 Do you think it is too late for her to say literally anything, do literally anything to appeal to us? Cause I'm not sure that it's even possible at this point, but. I mean, there is so many, like I, you know, I'm half Palestinian, like I'm half Arab, Arab American. And it's just, I made a video about this a couple weeks ago after trying every official avenue and
Starting point is 00:04:49 it was titled how Kamala Harris could win. Talk to one Arab person for 15 minutes. Right. And like that's, I do know a lot of people that are like, I just can't in good conscience vote for someone that seems to want to exterminate us like bugs. But if she just said like
Starting point is 00:05:05 what one like a winker and not like fucking something. I think that there is time. I don't think she'll do it. And you know, there's no part of me and this is like almost certainly copium. That's like, hopefully it's like a Jimmy Carter thing. Like go hard on this and then get in power and you know, at least lighten this horror somewhat. But that feels less and less likely by the day. I mean, there's certainly time to do something for certain voters that are like, maybe I won't go. But she seems like every Democrat dead set on losing her election. Yeah, she does. It's crazy because she literally had the best possible chance to win this by in a landslide to just be given this in like August.
Starting point is 00:05:45 Like our premier elections are so long. Everyone is tainted by that point. And to just be like thrust in here with a progressive base ready to rally around. But I'm just saying stuff all of us already know and it's depressing. There was a Washington Post article today with the headline, Michigan Arabs and Muslims deeply split over supporting Harris. And it has some anonymous quotes from Harris aides that are like very much trying hard to signal she can't split from Biden on this publicly.
Starting point is 00:06:14 She's the vice president, but like, wink, wink, things will be different. We can't specify how or what and it's like, we can't let you speak at the DNC based on your ethnicity, not based on your position, but based on your ethnicity. She could split with Biden on that. Like this, like this is my humphrey loss, like faux conventional wisdom of like, well, you can't say anything that the the president said. Like Biden's very unpopular.
Starting point is 00:06:41 There's one of the reasons he's not like at the top of the ticket now. He's very unpopular. Many of his positions are unpopular. There's one of the reasons he's not like at the top of the ticket now. He's very unpopular. Many of his positions are unpopular. It would be very easy for her to split with him on certain things, even just a smidgen, just slightly indicating. And I just don't get why it's so terrifying for her to just say like, yeah, I disagree with him on some things because also it's unbelievable that I disagree with him on some things. Because also it's unbelievable that she agrees with him on everything.
Starting point is 00:07:08 That's not true of anybody. Of course you disagree with him on something. Surely there's something, but she's not great at this. These are all things that like we fucking know. But I mean, I think the real truth is, is of course Arabs are monsters and you shouldn't trust any of them and you also shouldn't have them on a podcast.
Starting point is 00:07:27 So you guys are anti-American. Uh oh. Sorry folks. Homeland security is coming for you. This guy, well they're already coming for me. I agree, none of this is stuff we don't know or haven't been talking about or banging our head against the wall. It's like watching a slow motion train wreck. It feels like to me sometimes because like I've said,
Starting point is 00:07:47 I get that there is some sort of a strategy here. It just doesn't seem to be working and it hasn't been working. It's not 2016 anymore. People like Donald Trump for a multitude of reasons, but for a lot of people it is because he seems outside the system even though he's not. He represents everything that we're fighting against. They want something different. And there's no boldness here from the actual parties. There's no policy that there's some, there are some, people get mad at me if I don't acknowledge that there are some things, but we don't really have a tangible idea of how
Starting point is 00:08:20 you're going to fix these problems. It's just not bold enough. It's not like play bold, Buttigieg. It is it is milk toast. It is safe. And it's like handing it over because she just represents establishment. Yeah. Instead of narrowly squeaking by, what if you just try something else? Like what if you try something else that you yelled at progressives for an entire month saying they were anti-American for saying Biden shouldn't run. And we were pretty much the people behind that. And instead of being like, wow, you guys were right. Maybe we should hear like a couple other ideas. What if you just took credit for that and then didn't change anything?
Starting point is 00:08:58 Yeah, it's, it's very, very frustrating. It's every step of the way, just this sort of like, yeah, you're wrong, you're racist, you're anti-American. Oh, actually, two months later, you were right, but we're not going to acknowledge that. Speaking of Pete Buttigieg, there's this tweet that he did yesterday that I'm just going to read about. Well, we'll get to this because we're going to talk about Trump's Hitler, Hitlerian fondness. It's one thing for some leftist group
Starting point is 00:09:25 to call you a fascist, quite another when it's a fellow Republican, and absolutely astonishing when it's your own chief of staff. Really strong on the last half of that tweet, but I don't know if you need to be like, if some leftist group says that you're a fascist, like it's so weird and dismissive,
Starting point is 00:09:41 he could have said Democrat too. Because the point is that if a Democrat calls you a fascist, then that's, like there's so weird and dismissive. He could have said Democrat too. Because the point is that if a Democrat calls you a fascist and that's because like there's this conflict there, they're the opposition party, but when it's your own party, then it's a problem. That's what he's saying. But he chose to be like some leftist groups, but also if you're gonna be like,
Starting point is 00:10:01 well, some leftist group calls you a fascist, then that's one thing, but when a Republican does, that's another. But also what you're going to be like, well, some leftist group calls you a fascist, then that's one thing. But when a Republican does, that's another. But also what you're saying is that some leftist group was correct. They were right then, Pete. So why are you taking this opportunity? Trying to further distance distancing the Democrats from the leftists as if... But they were right, Pete.
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Starting point is 00:13:36 One of the first things with this news story that Jonathan's about to set up. Not new. This isn't a surprise. Yeah. Right. We knew Trump liked Hitler and was a fascist. And we knew his former chief of staff, retired Marine Corps General John Kelly, did not like him. Previously called him the most flawed person he'd ever met. But there was new reporting this week because John Kelly saw Trump give his enemy from within, gonna send the military after certain Democrats comment and decided, as
Starting point is 00:14:07 opposed to the typical, the military, I stay out of this thing, I'm going to go on the record with the Atlantic, with the New York Times and say what I think. John Kelly tells this anecdote to the Atlantic about how Trump is frustrated that people aren't doing whatever he says as president. And he says, I wish I had some German generals. And John Kelly is like, what do you mean, like Bismarcks, like the Kaiser's generals? And Trump says, no, not like that. And then John Kelly says, you mean like Hitler's generals?
Starting point is 00:14:40 And he goes, yeah, like Hitler's generals. And then John Kelly says, a lot of Hitler's generals tried to kill him multiple times. And he says, Trump says, no, they did what he wanted. And then Hitler did some good things. So he's so good at history. He's like, yeah, no, not that. I want the ones that listen to just follow through on his orders. Noted animal rights advocate, Adolf Hitler. I'm sure that's what Trump was talking about, the vegetarianism. There's another anecdote from this Atlantic article that is truly disgusting and it's not from John Kelly. In 2020, there's a soldier at Fort Hood and who dies named Vanessa Guillen and she's murdered
Starting point is 00:15:20 by another soldier who had been harassing her. And Trump met with Guillen's parents, he expresses sympathy, and he says he'd happily pay for the funeral. And ultimately, months later, when the White House gets a bill from the family's lawyer months later for $60,000, he gets enraged. He turns to his chief of staff, Mark Meadows, according to witnesses, and says, quote, it doesn't cost 60,000 bucks to bury a fucking Mexican, don't pay it. And then later in the day, he's still upset. He says, can you believe it?
Starting point is 00:15:49 Fucking people trying to rip me off. Not that it would have mattered, but Gian was born in Houston. She was Mexican-American. She was the daughter of Mexican immigrants. She would have turned 25 a few weeks ago. And the family never got any money from Trump. Just like him saying he would pay for the funeral. This is the kind of guy which like I don't know
Starting point is 00:16:09 You know, we've talked about it a lot There was this whole thing yesterday of like oh some bombshell is gonna come out that's gonna end the Trump campaign Okay, like they like it. They like it. He's a cruel monster and they like it Whether it's because it there he's going after the people they don't like or not, it doesn't matter. I think that this maybe doesn't specifically break through to necessarily everybody, even though it should.
Starting point is 00:16:35 But what this reminds me of, a lot of the conversations you have with people that do support the man is, you know, oh, he's outside of the system. He is malleable in a way. He wants to be popular. He wants to, he says the thing in the moment. He'll say the thing in the moment that appeals to the crowd. And you can't really pin whether or not
Starting point is 00:16:55 he's gonna do it or not. He's wormy, he's slimy, he slips around. But you know, Kim Kardashian got him to, you know, talk about black men in prison that shouldn't be there, you know, and he likes, the Zegal likes it when he says something that people like. So in the moment, this is a perfect example of how he might say something that's generous in the moment. And in the moment, maybe he meant it because it makes him feel good that people are like. But then when push comes to shove so that's why it isn't that argument doesn't work for me actually
Starting point is 00:17:30 Because you'll say anything in the moment To to make himself look good. He doesn't have any morals. He's cruel addictive He's a monstrous rapist and a terrible person It's really horrific this story. I'm surprised we haven't, I mean, there's so much focus on all these different things that are being reported. But if you look on, for example, x.com. Don't call it that.
Starting point is 00:17:57 The website? Oh, yeah, the website. I'm so sorry, twitter.com, the everything app. Thank you. You just see so many people just sort of openly embracing this kind of thing more and more. About, I would say like three fourths of the website is just like, yeah, it's awesome.
Starting point is 00:18:12 I love that he's cruel. I love that he likes Hitler. Even I'm gonna, well, there's this tweet from Ben Shapiro. I'm so sorry. That I think is kind of fascinating. I'm not gonna read the whole thing because it's very long-winded and He's it's too long. You need to you need to you need to be a better writer Ben But he starts it with you want to know why nobody cares about the left-wing media's latest oppo dump
Starting point is 00:18:38 The answer is obvious people care about the quality of their lives and life is getting worse under democratic governance then he tells this story about being out in LA and being attacked and crime in LA. And then he ends it with, this is why people increasingly don't give a shit about the media's latest horror story about Trump saying bad things, TM. I just find it interesting that he didn't say, you want to know why nobody believes the left-wing media reports. He's saying nobody cares about the left-wing media's latest oppo dump. Ostensibly saying we don't care that Trump likes Hitler and wants to do all these awful things because we want law and order. We want crime to go down, even though crime is not like skyrocketing as he
Starting point is 00:19:27 claims his tweet, like if you boil it down, he's just saying like, yeah, we like we want we want a Hitler, we want our stupid Hitler to come in and solve these problems. And it's just I can believe we've gotten to that point, but it's not good. And he's not he's not literally saying point, but it's not good. And he's not literally saying it, but he is more or less saying it, because he didn't say, here's why nobody believes it. He's saying nobody cares.
Starting point is 00:19:52 Nobody cares that Trump wants Hitler's generals. Nobody cares that he's this vindictive, cruel man. I also wouldn't take Ben Shapiro's opinion. I think some people do care. They might care more about the things that they mistakenly believe that Donald Trump will fix for them. But evenly believe that Donald Trump will fix for them. But even the things that Donald Trump will fix for them are kick out everybody, mass deportations now and crime
Starting point is 00:20:11 lower. They want Hitler. Like that is what is going on right now. The problems that they want solved by Trump are that as well. are that as well. Certainly some people do want a dictator type. I've seen that argument more than I care to over the last four years of how we just actually need someone who will take control, big dad figure. Like Tucker said.
Starting point is 00:20:39 I have to read this, you're right, I'm sorry. I have to, like Tucker said, here's this. What a freak. Oh yeah. Oh, it's so gross. I was like, what? Oh yeah. It's like you're trying to make me throw up. Like everybody just cover your ears. Don't listen to this. But Tucker yesterday, of course, is some turning point fucking event. But he's very disappointed in their behavior. And he's going to have to let them know. He's going to have to get to your room right now. event. vigorous spanking right now. And no, it's not going to hurt me more than it hurts you. No, it's not. I'm not going to lie.
Starting point is 00:21:27 This is going to hurt you a lot more than it hurts me. And you earned this. You're getting a vigorous spanking because you've been a bad girl. You can uncover your ears everybody. I just have to point out the phrase is this is going to hurt me a lot more than it hurts you. But he said it's going to hurt me a lot more than it hurts you but he said it's gonna hurt you a lot more than it hurts me I think that's a little
Starting point is 00:21:51 weird and what's telling isn't it I think that's quite telling that he changed the common phrase to be that oh what a freak but that's what they want how's the right responding well we've given it a little bit of attention already with Ben Shapiro. What are some of the talking points that people, the other talking points that people are using to address this? Yeah, I tracked down three categories of thing. One is that John Kelly is a liar and it's a deep state scam. Easy.
Starting point is 00:22:23 Since the elites, because he'll be taken down in the Epstein ring. Because who's met with Epstein? Not the guy, John Kelly. Two is that John Kelly's telling the truth, but he's exaggerating it because of politics. And Trump didn't mean it like that. That's another bench up here. This is 100%.
Starting point is 00:22:40 Does anyone really think that Trump would do the things he says he wants to do? This is the cornerstone of all of their arguments This is it like you said the thing but it's not what he meant and come on He's not gonna actually do it. Is it survived the last bad two? if he doesn't Really think it or want it. Isn't it still bad that he says that? Do we really want I want Hitler's generals guy in there,
Starting point is 00:23:08 even if he doesn't mean it, whatever. And the third. He just says whatever, we like that about him, stupid. And the third is of course that he did mean it that way and that's good and the racism and fascism is good. And that's not fair. My favorite response was from Brian Kilmeade on Fox and Friends yesterday.
Starting point is 00:23:25 And I'd love to play this brief clip. You factor in the fact that he runs his own company coming from the business world, the first one we've ever had. It's not even a public company. And then he obviously has frustration. And I could absolutely see him go now, you know what, it would be great to have German generals that actually do what we asked them to do, knowing that maybe not fully being cognizant of the third rail of German generals
Starting point is 00:23:48 who are Nazis or whatever. So. He didn't know? Who are Nazis or whatever. So I believe what he's saying is like, he didn't know that you don't talk about liking Nazis in American politics. You should know.
Starting point is 00:24:00 Because he's such an outsider, you see. That should be, and I would argue it is, common sense. There's another way to say that you want generals who will do what you say. You say I want generals who will do what you say. Yes, exactly. It was very easy for me to not bring up Nazi generals to express that I wanted people to listen to me.
Starting point is 00:24:26 Well, that's because you're a woke liberal cuck. Oh, fuck, I didn't know that. Have you bothered accepting that? You should accept that, Cody, about yourself. I try to measure my knee-jerk reactions. I try to, you know, stay calm about things. And to center yourself, exactly. And to be aware of the danger of this
Starting point is 00:24:46 and why we fight against it, but try not to. This is what I'm trying to go around anyway. But it is terrifying when someone like even John Kelly is saying these things, you know? And then we're watching in real time people jump through hoops to justify and rationalize it and we know that this is how it happens. This isn't 2016.
Starting point is 00:25:10 This isn't 2020. This is 2024. It's so they're just all so craven and like stupid. There's so many tweets from like everyone at the Daily Wire in 2016 like, wow, Trump is awful. What a bad person. What a bad human being. There's this old Matt Walsh tweet about how Trump fans would vote for Hitler. You're right, Matt. Good point.
Starting point is 00:25:33 You would vote for Hitler, Matt. All these people knew and know obviously JD Vance famously and correctly identified Trump as America's Hitler in so many words. And it's just very, very upsetting to see all of those people just like, but also we kind of like it now. We're okay with it. We're on board. Well, in that poll from the other day about how America is pretty split on putting immigrants in
Starting point is 00:26:05 camps. Yeah that was bad. That's pretty upsetting too. I mean I have to say. Not surprising but it lines up with all this we like the Hitler guy stuff. This is against the backdrop of an American sanctioned genocide too happening. Gosh it's fucking depressing. Jonathan what happened with this bombshell? Do we have any October surprise news from Donald Trump? What is happening? No, and if we did, it wouldn't matter. No, it wouldn't. So some right-wingy figures have been pitched some story.
Starting point is 00:26:39 Mark Halperin, who's with Newsmax now, said, I've been pitched a story about Donald Trump now for about a week that if true would end his campaign. No, it wouldn't. There's no such thing that exists. Right, but then yesterday, Jack Posobiec, Charlie Kirk, and Glenn Beck all tweeted things suggesting like, don't believe any video you see they're about to deep fake
Starting point is 00:27:00 Trump doing, or whatever, don't buy it, which made everyone think, oh, is there a thing? Why would you freaks be afraid of this? And then some people who would have no idea about anything, this guy Chili Dog on Twitter and a YouTuber named Keith Edwards, where like we've heard the rumor is that Donald Trump groped the teenage daughter of a donor at one of his fundraising dinners and it's caught on video. There is no evidence that that's true. 100% believable.
Starting point is 00:27:30 He's a serial groper and rapist and sexual harasser and assaulter of women. And it may be just reflecting a Guardian story from yesterday where a model named Stacey Williams says she was introduced to Donald Trump by Jeffrey Epstein in late 1992. And a few months later, Epstein took her to Trump's penthouse at Trump Tower where he immediately began groping her. And then Epstein and Trump kind of smiled at each other because it was like a game that they were playing together. But again, of course it's worth talking about because the man is a disgusting, awful human being, but okay. Nobody cares. They don't care. They didn't care in 2016. They don't care in 2020. They didn't care when E. Jean Carroll
Starting point is 00:28:21 case was going on. They don't care now. This, which makes it me wonder if this actually is the October surprise that they're worried about or not. It probably is, but we know that that won't move the needle. Perhaps some, I mean, I shouldn't, I just don't understand. I don't understand how people that, a lot of right-wingers want to protect their women, see a man's role as being like, people that, you know, a lot of right-wingers want to protect their women, you know,
Starting point is 00:28:45 see a man's role as being like, okay, well then, if your woman was in a room with Donald Trump, I guarantee you, you wouldn't trust that motherfucker. I guarantee you, if your daughter was in a room with that man, you would keep her the fuck away from him. So why do you want him leading your country for gas prices?
Starting point is 00:29:04 It's sickening to me. And there are a million sickening things that you can list as to why to not vote for this man. And the jumping through hoops of, well, this is all politicized at this point. They're coming forward because, you know, the Democrats are paying them or what have you, is just so, that is craven to me.
Starting point is 00:29:26 That is, it's really hard for me to reconcile that. But yeah, this wouldn't make a damn bit of difference. So much of our rants feel like rehashing the same thing because we're like in Groundhog Day for the last eight, 10 years. Yeah, we're going mad. But we've got advertisements that I'm sure will entertain you. We love them.
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Starting point is 00:31:13 there's no safe like simply safe. Let's pivot from our least favorite person to talk about to our other least favorite person to talk about. God, least favorite person to talk about god Jesse waters. Oh Yeah, what did he just throw up in your mouth? He didn't do anything. I was actually I'm just curious So like cat you're well, so cat you're pretty Like in that world of yes all these freaks the the five the Fox and Friends I don't know if you're familiar with Scott Jennings.
Starting point is 00:31:46 He's not on Fox, he's on CNN now. That guy blows my mind as somebody who's on television now. He's the biggest liar in the world. It's so weird that they still have him on. In the world? I'm blown away by every single person. That high praise from Cody. It's impressive.
Starting point is 00:32:03 It's incredible. We've talked about like Brian Kilmeade and this weird like it's actually so cool that Trump said this Hitler thing in your opinion. Like who's the worst? I'm just like as someone like in fact or just like me hate them. I think one both one, one then the other. Impact, I mean no one matches up with Tucker and
Starting point is 00:32:29 no one matches up with O'Reilly but current cast, I mean I guess Waters because he has the APM time slot and that's where the real magic happens. In terms of who I Yeah, I mean O'Reilly was the number one, like had so much more cultural cachet than Tucker. Like people in liberal households are turning him on. And Tucker was the most popular cable news host in the country. It's the 8 p.m. time slide. And like, yeah, Tucker is doing podcasts and shit like that, but he's not holding the GOP House Speakership hostage anymore.
Starting point is 00:33:03 He has not the capability to have his demands met on national television, and that means something. Jesse doesn't know how to use the time slot, but it's still the most powerful time slot on cable news. Right, so that's sort of what I was getting at, where it's like, he's definitely got the spot, and he has the ability to harness it, but he seems so stupid, and not good at it.
Starting point is 00:33:24 He will tell, okay, so the example I always use is, to harness it, but he seems so stupid. He's so stupid. And like not good at it. He will tell like, okay, so the example I always use is, are y'all familiar with the 80,000 IRS agents conspiracy theory? Oh, that's all what, fill us in for a little bit. Yes, but. There was a conspiracy theory that Biden was hiring like an army of 80,000 IRS agents
Starting point is 00:33:42 to essentially audit you at gunpoint, which is like a conservative's worst nightmare. What was really happening is that there was more funding for the IRS further to hire like 80,000 people over like 30 years, like a very long timetable, which is necessary because so many tax fraud schemes, especially by really rich people aren't investigated because the IRS is critically understaffed. But instead what Tucker did was he had Matt Gaetz come on on, I believe, a Thursday night
Starting point is 00:34:09 and talk about this very scary thing that was definitely going to happen. And then he mentioned it again on Friday and then did a smaller block on it on the Monday after that. And then by Wednesday, had a full ass A or B block about this story and then continually brought it up. So he knew, and I could always, people on my shift, especially you get a sense for when he's trying to build something up, you know, or when someone's trying to cement a new phrase or whatever.
Starting point is 00:34:35 And you could tell that he had thought this out timing and who to bring in and how to do it. And then Jesse in contrast will just say the most insane conspiracy theory you've ever heard that if it was true would be the biggest story of the century, and then just never brings it up again. You never hear about it again. At one point he was talking about how Biden was trying to stop us from mining the Grand Tanyan so that way we could, I want to say give nukes to Kazakhstan.
Starting point is 00:35:02 Sure, it makes sense. Which is insane. And then he never mentioned it again. Just never, never mentioned it again. They can say whatever they want. But in terms of hosts that I dislike the most, definitely Greg Gutfeld. Like his comedy is just poorly written.
Starting point is 00:35:17 My high school standup is so much more, has so much work put into it than anything Greg Gutfeld has done on national television for a whole hour. Can we talk about Elon Musk definitely doing illegal election violations? Let's do it. Oh, good.
Starting point is 00:35:33 Okay. Okay. Jonathan, be the glue. Elon Musk's America PAC, which is just Elon Musk's money, helping Trump. And they are colluding, but not, it's like even by Citizens United standards, it's illegal. Anyway, he's got this scheme where they're offering a million dollar prize each day to people in swing states who sign a petition supporting first and second amendment rights. However, you have to be a registered voter to be eligible for the prize.
Starting point is 00:36:03 So he's basically just paying people or bribing them with a prize to register to vote. And do you know what side they'll be on? Because the petition is about supporting first and second amendment rights. The Justice Department, by the way, contacted America PAC yesterday to say this probably violates federal election laws. They woke Merrick Garland up for like 20 seconds to send a letter. And then he went right back to sleep. So what do we think?
Starting point is 00:36:32 Will he stop doing this? Will something happen? I think he's going to keep doing it and get away with it. And if he's like, oh, find me. Great. And then he'll do something more blatant down the line. Get away with that too. It's enraging. I already said this to the boys, I think. I did.
Starting point is 00:36:53 Kat, I recently moved to the mountains. I live in a conservative town. It's not, it's changing. But it will, there's lots of people leftist moving up here. I would maybe call it purple-ish, but it'll go for Trump, this county. Where in California? In California. The state will go for Kamala, but this county is, has historically been conservative.
Starting point is 00:37:19 It is changing. There are lots of Harris-Walls signs. Lots of people here voted. Bernie won the primary here. you know, the Democratic primary, for example, of the flavor of what we're talking about here. But I do have friends of all persuasions up here, and I have gotten into lots of arguments. And there was a few people in the local bar that were bitching about Taylor Swift endorsing Kamala. And then I see this fucking shit. And you're like, come on, this is this is this is so much worse.
Starting point is 00:37:56 I just want to say what would you think if- He bought the website to do that. What would you think if Taylor Swift did the same thing? And if your answer is lose your fucking mind, then. Maybe. And I have already made that point and it has already been accepted and conceded. Good, good.
Starting point is 00:38:12 I get why you're mad. You get why, okay, well that's as far as I get. I get why you're mad was the response I got. That's nothing. That's better than it could have been, but. Absurd. Celebrities have endorsed presidential candidates since, I guess, the beginning of time, probably. What an absurd complaint about Taylor Swift specifically.
Starting point is 00:38:34 He bought the website so he could do this. It's absurd. God, he sucks so bad. So the exact same guys who yelled at me in the Red Rising subreddit when I was like, wow, there are a lot of really well-written women characters in this book and this series, because I and it's really hard to find when white men write sci-fi. You usually have really women are just not characterized, especially like people of color and queer people.
Starting point is 00:38:58 I think there's really great representation and that's badass. And it's something that, like, you know, especially like straight white men, especially like can sympathize with but they can't really empathize to the lived experience. People lost their fucking minds at me. And so exactly- Oh my God. I forgot about Red Rising and I also enjoyed that.
Starting point is 00:39:16 The Tetralogy, the current, like the one that takes place 10 years after, it's fucking insane. I can't wait for Red God. I finished reading it this summer and I haven't stopped thinking about it. And so like, I just, I posted that and everyone lost their mind.
Starting point is 00:39:27 They were so fucking mad at me. And it's the exact same type of guys that would be like, I get why you're mad, except they just say that to your face. But if it's online, it's, you're trying to do a checklist to say that women, someone was like, I don't like any book written by women except ones by JK Rowling.
Starting point is 00:39:44 That was an actual quote I got. Wait, um, yes, you're completely we have been chatting for not very long I've given you one anecdote and you have accurately pinpointed this person that is I would not be surprised if this person was the one that yelled at you. I accept that you're angry Great. Well, speaking of sci-fi I accept that you're angry. Great. Well, speaking of sci-fi, what Blade Runner would drive?
Starting point is 00:40:08 What else we got? So he has been already giving out prizes. And he's maybe been separately getting scammed by people in Arizona and Nevada because he's paying people to knock on doors who are not doing that. Wait, so the scammer who does scams and attracts scammers is being scammed by the scammers that he's trying to scam. It's like it's a mammoth play basically. Oh no. Elon.
Starting point is 00:40:31 It's a turducken. Oh god. Yeah it's a turducken of fraudulent activity. A griffducken. Cody I believe what you're referring to is Musk getting sued by the producers of Blade Runner 2049 because he wanted to use a still from the film at his Robo taxi announcement. And then they said no. And so then he made some AI slop that looks just like it.
Starting point is 00:40:55 And then the production company. Looks like shit. Looks like shit. We'll show both on screen. I'm sure we'll put them on the screen somewhere around here. Show them. Here's the beautiful and well-crafted film, Blade Runner 2049. And here's what Elon posted. It looks like shit. Yeah, it's just funny. He does this all the time.
Starting point is 00:41:17 He has no respect for any art ever or creativity at all or people's hard work. He asked and then he did it anyway. Why would you want to promote your transportation service by alluding to Blade Runner, the dystopia? Nobody wants to live in Blade Runner. Also applies to Red Rising when everyone is like, I love the fashion character. Sorry, I'm really annoyed by my notifications on reddit right now And I don't care if anyone listening to this knows what my account is. I literally have my bio saying congratulations
Starting point is 00:41:54 You found my reddit account. It's just my cat I was gonna say you're playing a dangerous game by bringing up your reddit posts, but yeah I literally made this entire I deleted my old reddit account and I was like I just want to post pictures of my cat, but people were recognized by cat. So Fuck it. We're just going public. Go for it. All right. Anyways, yeah These people lose the point miss the point of everything It's the most annoying thing about conservatives in the world not very good at complaining just about like there's a certain point where I just I
Starting point is 00:42:20 Have fatigue of my own complaints, you know, but this is one I will never get tired of. You guys have... I was just on a panel about media literacy and it's not just about journalism. It's like you guys can't watch anything fictional and get the point. And it's so pathetic. Okay. Thank you. It's infuriating. I mean, the other day, somebody posted the, what the Jessup monologue from a few good men is like this is why this guy. Yeah What are you talking about? Not to bring it back to this reddit thread? But someone was literally like why are you being political about this book that is about a fascist? Space where like race has been eliminated so that way you can do eugenics for to create like a very segmented class system
Starting point is 00:43:02 Sorry, just well fucking read a book critically one time. Really good, quick distillation of it. I do wanna point out that Musk wanted to use an image from this and then they said no, and then he did it anyway and then they sued him and then when someone brought it up, he tweeted that movie sucked. I always try to use movies that suck
Starting point is 00:43:22 to promote my own stuff. I go, I fucking hate this movie. That's why I wanna try to use movies that suck to promote my own stuff. I go, I fucking hate this movie. That's why I want to put my my product in that movie because I hate it and it sucks. And I want to show how much cooler my my super cool, super sexy truck that definitely isn't a piece of shit. I thought that was the response that he gave. It is. It's a reply to someone. Yeah. God, what a loser. I don't think he thinks that. I'm going to posit maybe he actually does it. He probably hasn't seen it,
Starting point is 00:43:56 but wanted the aesthetic anyway, because he's stupid. Has anyone told him that the Matrix is a trans allegory yet? Like, has anyone told him that yet? I don't think he I don't think he would accept that. I don't think he'd be able to hear that. I think he has selective hearing. I think he saw the movie, that's why he wanted to do it, but then he decided he hated the movie when they said no.
Starting point is 00:44:14 I think that's. It's possible. I think it's also possible that he knows that it's like accepted as, it's like he's like, oh yeah, we gotta do like Dune too, right? Everybody loves dune But he doesn't engage in culture. He doesn't do that kind of thing But maybe maybe he has seen it. Maybe he liked it. Maybe he's pretending he doesn't like it now I don't understand anyone that can watch a piece of media or read a piece of media and not tear it apart with their teeth
Starting point is 00:44:39 Afterwards like I that's my biggest thing is going to the movies with someone I know this is unrelated to like everything except just talking about how bad these people are at media criticism but if I go to the movies with someone and then We finished the movie and they're like, yeah, that was good And they don't want to like talk about every character's point of view and the performance of every single line Or like we read the same book and they're like, oh this fucking quote shook me Let's talk about how hot this character is. I don't understand. I don't get it.
Starting point is 00:45:07 I don't either. I agree with you. Why are you there? Why are you in the chair? Why are you there if you're not dissecting every single thing that you're copying? And are we even really friends? Are we even really friends?
Starting point is 00:45:17 This is true. And there's also this like- Shout out to my friend Sunny who will always read things just to do that with me. At a certain point, you're supposed to- Let's start a book club maybe, the three of us? Yes. They would love that.
Starting point is 00:45:28 We're not invited? I can't, no, that's fair. I don't know. Everyone here is invited as long as you tear it apart with your teeth. There's this like expectation that like frat boys in college will have like severe misinterpretations of things like fight club, clockwork orange. there's like a Mount Rushmore of Misunderstood,
Starting point is 00:45:49 like Roe, yeah, all that stuff. But then, when you're supposedly a genius, you're supposed to be able to deal with any amount of nuance whatsoever. So like, I get that it's like, I also think it's a little just like, cliche to be like Blade Runner is the pinnacle of sci-fi. Like Blade Runner is fine. I'm not like shitting on Blade Runner, but like, I don't think it's like, and I think Blade Runner 2049 is fantastic, but like original Blade Runner, I get it. But like, right. There's this thing about like, Blade Runner. I get it. But like, right. There's this thing about the tech. The tech bros love Blade Runner because they just think it's like super cool. And I'm sure they say tears in the rain, like out of context in a way that doesn't reflect what they did in the movie all the time. Yeah. It's that email strong tweet about how like, I bet you think Robocop is political. They just don't like they think like, no, it's cool. It's a robot and a cop. It's awesome.
Starting point is 00:46:45 I love robot cops. That guy has to be a bit. Right? Can everyone just go to my thread and defend me in this? Okay, me too. Absolutely. What is this thing called? Thank you.
Starting point is 00:46:54 Red Rising. It's the Red Rising subreddit. If you sort by controversial of the day, I guarantee you'll find it. I will find it. That's what you were doing right before this. I am coming for this thread. Oh, the top thing. As a woman, I'm find it. I will find it. That's what you were doing right before this. I am coming for this thread. Oh, the top thing.
Starting point is 00:47:07 As a woman, I'm always amazed. Yep, yep, there we go. The top thing. Top one. The top one. Yes, let's go. I don't wanna spoil this for myself, so maybe I won't read it.
Starting point is 00:47:16 Yeah, I'm not preventing my username to hide anything. Just, I wanna use this platform for good. But you're about to have a bunch of people come in to your help. Especially nice supportive people. Don't disappoint me even more news listeners and viewers. You got to go help our girl out. There are some really nice people.
Starting point is 00:47:36 R slash Red Rising top posts. About one more Tom Fullery person. Tim Fullery. Tim Fullery. This bizarre thing. Pour one out. Pour, let's do it. Tim Flory. This bizarre thing. Let's pour one out. Pour one out for Tim who's quitting the show. Yeah, I don't.
Starting point is 00:47:48 But no? But yeah, I- I'm just so confused by this. He's like Alex Jones, always standing up and being like, I'm done with the show, I'm never gonna do this again. Yeah, I almost don't wanna like go through it that much because I might get it wrong.
Starting point is 00:47:58 Put the beanie on. So like, please like let me know if I'm getting this wrong. He announced on his show that he's stepping back from full-time content production and he said a couple times, maybe this is the last TimCast IRL, which is the name of one of his shows.
Starting point is 00:48:12 Maybe. But then he said that him and his girlfriend are getting married and they're having a baby. So like. Wait, did he? Yeah. In the video? Not that clip that the surfs shared,
Starting point is 00:48:23 but in that segment. She is COO of Tim Casse. Oh wow nepotism. Okay. Oh, okay. So that's, yeah, that's been like a missing piece to all of this. Cause he's been talking about it super weirdly.
Starting point is 00:48:37 Well, right. Cause the bit is like, I don't have a family yet and I'm having a, like that's why. Oh, I mean that makes sense. That's a completely reasonable reason to step away from your show. But then he said his employees are lazy. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:48:51 Oh yeah. Hire different employees if you got a problem with your employees. Wash your beanie once. He's like, I can't start up my coffee shop. I don't have time to do all the things because I'm working so much. Also, can you just work a little less?
Starting point is 00:49:06 I mean, quit the show by all means. Make it the last Timcast, I don't know. But you could just do less. Also, people will be there for you if you took a essentially paternity leave. I was thinking about Glenn Greenwald, whose husband was dying, and there was daily streams. And it was just like, I don't know if it was
Starting point is 00:49:24 a financial pressure thing or something like that. But I don't like him, but and it was just like, I don't know if it was like a financial pressure thing or something like that, but I don't like him, but I also wanna be like, man, you can stop for a second. Yeah, maybe that's it. You should cut money on Substack. Maybe there's this stigma. You can just depend on those automatic. Well, yeah, but he doesn't wanna take paternity leave
Starting point is 00:49:38 cause they're against it. Right, so he's like, I have to quit the show. I can't take paternity leave, everyone will make fun of me. So I just have to quit, gotta cut off my leg instead of. We should maybe do his model where we just do no scripted show, tons of podcasts, and be conservative so we can make a lot of money.
Starting point is 00:49:55 We can get it. That seems to be the way to do it. Then we just read an article in real time and then react in real time before knowing what the article says. I love looking at things like, we should look that up. We should. We should look that up.
Starting point is 00:50:08 Let's look that up right now. That's the other thing about this whole like, ah, work so hard. Do you, man, you read articles live? Like I know I'm not like I don't want to be like you don't do anything. I'm sure he works to a degree. He doesn't work 16 hours a day. I'm just going to say it. I don't think he works 16 hours a day, like he claimed.
Starting point is 00:50:27 But half of his shows are literally him just reading an article that he hadn't read yet and reacting in real time to it. And he doesn't even have makeup. Like that's a whole thing if you're a woman doing this stuff. We don't need to if you have a beanie. That does all the work. That's true.
Starting point is 00:50:40 That's true. I'm a little self-conscious. Maybe I should get going. I mean, I'm a little self-conscious, maybe I should. I'm not trying to defend him. I can imagine that there's more work involved than we would expect when you're on camera every day. Katie, it sounds like you have a crush on Temple. I just want Beanie.
Starting point is 00:50:59 I wanna lick his head. Bring me Winter and all the men in Beanie's. He's a Beanie baby. And now the Beanie baby is on the way. Look, we got there. I put a kiddie pool is on the way in the notes and no one's been saying it. And it just either or is fine.
Starting point is 00:51:17 Major dud. No, beanie baby. I get it, but beanie baby is. Beanie baby is better, fuck it. Kiddie baby's really good. Kiddie pool is also good. It's good, it's good. No, I'm just leading it from the notes. He struck better, fuck it. Beanie Baby's really good. Kitty Pool is also good. It's good, it's good. No, I'm deleting it from the notes.
Starting point is 00:51:28 He struck it, you guys. Everybody come to tell Jonathan how much you loved his joke about Kitty Pool. I thought it was, I thought it was, it was good. You know, it's always better to deliver a joke like a joke instead of, but my, I know that thing that he said was funny, but mine was this. In my document, actually.
Starting point is 00:51:46 In Oxley Joplin. I wrote it yesterday. If you go back to my scroll. Fuck it. I'm just going to put Red Rising. Right the edges, like a history project in fifth grade and you put tea bags on it. If I took all of my docs for all of these shows that we've done and put them in like a book, and that's the Some More News, the Even even more news book people will buy that just endless nonsense pages of news stories from three years ago that no one cares about.
Starting point is 00:52:13 It's not a good she keeps it real holidays. It's a book of holidays. I don't know if I would either. No, it's no good. Katie will buy you guys. Well, I yeah, I have a tendency to buy stuff to be supportive. Yeah, you know, I, yeah, I have a tendency to buy stuff to be supportive. Yeah, you know, I would love if Katie bought it.
Starting point is 00:52:29 I will buy it. I think it would be really, really cool if Katie bought it. And you can just put our name on it, too, like a Christmas gift when you're the eldest sister. Well, everyone go buy Red Rising and we'll meet back here after the election for a book club. The first book is like more like a prequel for the rest. You can tell that he wrote it in 2014 because he was trying to get that publishing deal as a way to make an insane space opera. And it totally pays off.
Starting point is 00:52:52 It's so fucking good. Well, yes, we've done it. I think we've done it. We've arrived at the end of the show. Congratulations to everybody. Kat, you're so fun. Yay. We'd love to have you on the show all the time
Starting point is 00:53:05 and in book club. Yes, please. I would love to be in book club. Can you please tell our listeners, our viewers where to find you, promote anything you want, promote it, all the things. Yay. I just did a one hour explainer
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