Some More News - Even More News: Trump's Anti-Antifa Meeting w/Roy Wood Jr.

Episode Date: October 10, 2025

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Your first great love story is free when you sign up for a free 30-day trial at audible.ca slash Wondery. That's audible.ca slash Wondery. Hi, on today's show, we talk about the administration's continued assault on Chicago and Portland. Christy Nome arresting the girlfriend of the founder of Antifa, apparently, and Pam Bondi's attempts to stay in Trump's good graces. you're going to like it oh hello and welcome back to even more news the first and only news podcast somehow my name is katie stole hey there katie stole uh first time doing this uh well i'll make up a name I'm Cody Johnston. Hi. Great. Great improv right there. Quick thinking skills. Thank you.

And we are thrilled to welcome a very exciting first time guest, a comedian that you know from the Daily Show and have I got news for you. And his new book out at the end of the month is called The Man of Many Fathers, Thrill to Welcome, Roy Wood Jr. Yes. It is I. Thank you for having me on. I mean, we're thrilled. Absolutely thrilled. Someone else who is also thrilled and who is also here, Jonathan, mixed up that catchphrase.

Hi. Don't put words in my mouth, but I am thrilled. I'll confirm it. Yes, thrilled. We're all thrilled. We can all agree. Before we get into the news, I was just, I'm curious. So we're, you know, we're writers, comedians, and I think a lot of folks who are in the political

news comedy world tend to be like comedy first from sketch shows and things like that whereas you you know your half brothers an anchor man you went to school

for broadcast journalism your dad has this long history and legacy in journalism and I was just sort of wondering if like how you sort of brought that in to your work now and at the daily show if you notice that sort of difference where you have that background that not

a lot of news comedians do. It helps, but it hinders in a way because journalism can get in a way of punchline sometimes. And I know there's a degree of, we don't live in a time where you can just be journalistically agnostic. You can, but it's kind of a bitch move, kind of a sucker move.

So this idea of I just delivered the news And like the way, I don't know, Barbara Walters and Hugh Downs or Sam Donaldson even would just give you new Bryant Gumbull. You didn't know how Bryant Gumble voted. You couldn't even guess. He just gave you the facts. You know, that part of it is gone, journalistically speaking. So, but in comedy, comedy is all opinions and all what I. I think we should be doing.

So I can start with this happened and then get into the comedy. So I think for me, having both kind of skill sets, my setup and punchlines are kind of a little bit more different. Or I can use a journal, I can present and present the facts journalistically and then go into Crazy Town on the back half of that thought. So that's kind of where I exist for the most part. but, you know, I try not to have the same opinions as everybody else on stuff. If everybody's already said A and B, why are you opening your mouth?

What do you have to offer that is different? Or report on those opinions, you know, take it a step further. And I know part of that is from my time in morning radio. And when I did morning radio, I was fourth chair. and when you're the fourth person on the show you are the least important you talk the least and i was and i was basically told my first year of radio as an intern don't talk unless you have something funny to say literally don't open your mouth don't just go mm-hmm yeah well yeah it's a sad situation all right shut the fuck up no one we have other people on this on the show

who can say all of that what can you say that you know for a fact that three of us would never say or think of. Sit quietly and think of that. And that's what you say. And that first year of radio out of college

it literally shaped my writing style for the rest of my years because I didn't want to get in trouble and it's kind of a like any internship. There's some borderline trauma, PTSD abuse you open your mouth and then the host looks at you and knows that wasn't funny and then goes

right back to talking to the guest and it's like ouch yeah but but you need that so you know i don't know i just think that i've always pride at myself in having the weirdest opinion or just the perspective nobody's considered and if i can support that journalistically with facts and numbers and details then i've kind of blended the two worlds that's a great answer At first, as you started sharing that, I was like, curious if it's changed for you over the years from the beginning when you first started in morning radio. But it sounds like this has all been part of your evolution. From the beginning, you're like, sit on it, find the right take, find the funny take. Also, noted, I'll try my best not to go interject with, that's a shame for anything like that.

But you're right. You're right. It is hard, especially now with an ecosystem that's full. of people saying their opinions or regurgitating other people's opinions as well. What value, what new perspective can I bring

to the table? I think it's a really good way to go about thinking about it. That's always been my approach. Or everybody gets a podcast. Well, we do the opposite here where this would be we would end the podcast right now. Don't say anything that, don't say an opinion that another person hasn't said. Oh, yeah.

I almost certainly will today. yeah well that seems like a good place to start talking about the actual news and what a shame it is indeed jonathan what is the latest with gaza the gaza deal right well as of thursday afternoon when we're recording both israel and hamas have signed the first phase of a peace deal to end the attacks on gaza we will see if this holds the hostages and prisoners are are scheduled to be swapped starting early next week. The IDF is going to move back to agreed upon lines. We obviously hope the brutality ends for good. We've been here before over the last two years, but this one hopefully feels a little bit different. If for no other reason, then Trump wants to sneak this past the goal line

before Friday morning when the Nobel Peace Prize is announced, and he certainly hopes that his name will be called. There was somebody announced for a Nobel Peace in literature or something this week, and I was, at first I was like, oh, great, he didn't get one then. But no, unfortunately, we still have a few more days. I mean, he should have won for literature as well. I mean, some of these speeches are. Sure. Well, that poem, the Epstein poem, I mean, that alone should.

should have done it. But we'll see. I'm hopeful. I think that we should be hopeful that this is something that sticks. We'll go into more detail on this as it develops as we see. Hopefully the hostage exchange goes as planned, et cetera. But I think that we're all well advised to take this with a big grain of salt. I don't know. Yeah, I think it a lot of it boils down also to how much, you know, Trump is for sure going to use it as an opportunity for political gain. But if this gets this war stopped, fine. And they should give them a peace prize. Just come up with a trophy to give it. Yeah, you got to get, because otherwise he's going to come out with his own thing. And then that's going to be another day. And then it's going to be more military coming down the street, tearing up

the pavement with all of their equipment. Just give them a trophy. Give them a trophy. A bowling trophy Doesn't matter, just something Give a fake plaque Say you won You won all the All the possible awards ever Here you go

Yeah It's like when a little kid Is playing a video game You give them an unplugged in controller You're playing the game too You're helping You did a good buddy Hell yeah man

No I think I'm with you I don't want him to be Showered in accolades But Just shut him up And also felt clear that if anybody could do anything with Netanyahu, maybe it would be Trump. And then that didn't seem to be holding out.

It wasn't looking so good for a long time. And if we can just get the carnage to stop. By the same time, there's also a lot of reporting basically saying like, yeah, Biden could have done this. He could have done it so many times. Could have. Chose not to put any pressure on them. But, you know, that's in the past. Yeah, I mean, you want to keep using Biden as a

As a, I don't know It's a whipping stick, beating stick, dead body Punch him back, yeah, punch him back, whatever, okay, fine, Whatever, just end the war Yeah, exactly. Whatever you can do to figure that out, fine. And if he gets a Nobel Peace Prize, he might be less likely to do all the other stuff

we're going to talk about. I was going to say, is a bit of a tension between the Peace Prize and a lot of his other actions internally in the war on America that he's waging. So, yeah, speaking of war, let's talk about Chicago, Portland, National Guard, the drama. What updates do we have? Yeah, I have a few updates this week. I don't have them.

They happened, and so I will say them. The Texas National Guard arrived in Chicago. Things are very tense. There we saw a pastor, Reverend David Black, shot in the head. head with a pepper ball from the rooftop of the ice facility in Broadview. J.B. Pritzker's on TV, the governor saying, if you come for my people, you come through me. So come and get me, which is a nice thing to say, although they are coming and taking the people. And that's just happening no matter what. And then, meanwhile, sources told NBC News this week

that members of the Trump administration have been more seriously discussing how and when to invoke the Insurrection Act to deploy active duty military troops. Which, I mean, they've made clear publicly in all their speeches about how that's what they want to do. So it's only a matter of time, it seems. I mean, Miller really wants to do it. Stephen Miller is like ready to go. There are apparently others in the administration who may have done the leaking to, you know, test the waters and show everyone else that this would not be popular. They recognize the political dangers of sending U.S. troops to hurt American citizens and that there is at least a small chance that the Supreme Court might not. let them do it maybe they think that's it stopped you in the past i know yeah surely one day one day

it'll work there's so much of this administration last time and definitely this time we're you're walking around and you're really hoping really hoping that that it is hyperbolic that we are overreacting but we're not and um it seems more and more likely that they will pull this move it seems that the conversations have shifted into floating the idea, which is also how this happens. You float the idea a little bit and let it get normalized amongst people. Let all of us yell each other online and then you could say they're being hysterical and then they just normalize the idea and then bring it into action. So that does seem to be the rulebook that we're following at the moment. This government floats illegal suppression of citizens the way you try to

like slowly get your girl on board with a threesome. You know, you know, you know, some people, you know. Some people be, have another person, you know. It helped, it helped a friend of mine. It helped their, help the relationship, actually. And as well, they just have troops in the streets all the time. What do you think about truth in the streets? I feel like there's multiple personal stories coming out of the rest of this.

Yeah, I don't know if that analogy tracks. I feel like I'm telling too much of myself. Well, in this case, they just give speeches about it. They get out on stage and he's like, yeah, we're going to be warriors. And then the president comes down and those warriors are going to be against American citizens. And they just say out loud. And they're going to love threesomes. Yeah, but also the analogy, I don't know where the analogy comes in where Trump is up there saying that something is

happening that is blatantly not, where he's saying, well, you see the governor of Oregon talking and there's explosions going off behind her. I guess it'd be like all the neighbors are having threesomes, right? They have these, they have the cul-de-sat origins, right? That's not happening. I'm looking through all the windows. I spy on all of them, and they're not doing that. We never go to the block party, but if we did, you'd see. That's what goes on. And yeah, in Portland, there's an ongoing court case. It looks like the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. which has two Trump appointed judges on there is probably going to let Trump deploy

National Guard troops there. But it's very interesting. The New York Times reported that in the days before Trump declared Portland as war ravaged, federal officials described the protests there as, quote, low energy. And then this week there was footage.

Benny Johnson was with DHS Secretary Christy Noem on top of, on the rooftop, on top of the ice facility. looking down on what he described in his tweet as an army of Antifa, and it looks like there's a dozen people there, a couple of videographers and a guy dressed as a chicken.

Seems like if you're Benny Johnson and you're on the level, you would not want to post that. Just don't post it. Just say it. You're going to lie anyway. So just say it without the video. They can get away with it. It doesn't matter.

He could just say whatever he wants and somebody who's willing to lap it up. I've tried my best to not laugh at these videos, but they're just so ridiculous because it's just it's still a surveillance state and oppression and harassment when there's a guy in Portland

in a frog suit I saw one thing where somebody was in like some inflatable suit and was like harassing the ice agent but like walking up on them and the ice agents are like walking back in fear all backed up yeah

the frog it's the frog he starts thrusting and I don't know if it's the same frog or if this was a different frog but then someone else put a can of mace inside the where you like can reach in for the frog but it's in the ass so it's like where the frog's ass would be like an ice agent went up through the frog's ass and like spray heat mace which is terrible because now you're in this enclosed environment with no real fresh air that's torture it's abuse yeah it's trying to poison him like but also this man reached inside of a frog's ass and I'm like this

is the most confusing time for democracy. Man, when they show the footage of this a hundred years from now, it's absurd. Oh, it's so farcical. It's going to be a different time. Yeah. Is there anyone dressed as reptar, the dinosaur from

Rugrats, doing like the Harlem shake in the 1930s in Germany? Do we have like video of that? Reptar. I mean, what a treasure trove for historians, future historians, Definitely a lot to unpack here.

Yeah, Frog suit man apparently has two. So he didn't interview. He's like, oh, yeah, it didn't work, actually. I couldn't even tell I was maced for like 15 minutes. And then he changed out into his second frog suit. So they're all prepared for this. There's a Portland dry cleaner that's like, again, another one, the mace again? It's just also so absurd.

Just over and over repeating the same line. I mean, same thing that they did in L.A. a few months ago of this. is a war zone. We're terrorizing the city, et cetera. They desperately want it to actually be that. They desperately want it to be violent and chaotic. And so they just start talking about it. And it can become a self-fulfilling prophecy, though, because you just ratchet up all the tensions and then people show up. But Portland, bless you with your sense of humor, with your community, with your joy. Keep dressing up in those outfits. keep making them look as absurd as they are.

Playing the Benny Hill theme at them as they get off the plane. But that's all you got to do. You just have to lie. Like, I mean, there's this quote from Trump from this Antifa meeting that we'll talk about where he says, the amazing thing is you look at Portland and you see fires all over the place. It's like movies you see for the kids, adults also with these bombed out cities. This man. What's he looking at?

Movies you see for the kids. Okay. And also the other. A great quote from the president, I guess. Never mind. Well, he should have given more specificity in that a lot of movies are made both for kids and adults these days. There's also the guy in Chicago.

I'm going to give a shout out to the Chicago guy on the bike. I can't remember what he said to Ice, but he told him, like, kiss his ass or you guys suck to their face. And then he rides off and then realizes he left his cell phone on the ground. And he has to bust a U-turn and ride back to the people he just talked shit to. and he scoops up his phone and then the agents are like chasing them but they have not run

and these must be the new ICE agents that they got like these aren't the ones that was already there and in shape these are the new ones that they recruited and they couldn't catch the guy from a dead standstill from 10 feet away that video is remarkable because when I first saw it

I was like oh that this guy got away that's that's fantastic but then I thought they might have been like legitimately trying to get him for some sort of immigration thing but no it turns out they were chasing them just for talking shit to them they're just like very thin-skinned and

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I think we should talk about this Antifa meeting. They had this Antifa roundtable at the White House on Wednesday, but it was members of the administration and then a bunch of right-wing influencers who are maybe turning point USA. affiliated, you know, Jack Pesobic was there, a bunch of these weirdos, Cody, who I'm sure you're more familiar with, uh, than I am. And these guys would just like pitch ideas of like, hey, maybe bomb this American city or something, you know, some wild thing. And then the president would be like, well, we're looking into that. Pam, Christy, you know, like maybe we're looking into this,

but. So a think tank. Yeah, really. Yeah. A real thing tank. Live feet. Um, right. We got to watch, we got to watch this clip right here of, uh, They have been so bold in making sure we're bringing those individuals to justice. One of the individuals we arrested recently in Portland was the girlfriend of one of the founders of Antifa and that we are hoping that as we go after her, interview her, and prosecute her, we will get more and more information about the network and how we can root them out and eliminate them from the existence of American society. Eliminate them from the existence of American society.

So much to delve into there Girlfriend of one of the founders of Antifa A friend of a cousin of a brother of a dude Of the thing that doesn't actually exist We'll prove it, we'll prove it eventually Or you'll stop asking about it and you'll forget about it We won't need to So she's a member of Rose City, Antifa

The Portland-based activist group Prosecutor for what? What do you mean, Christy? I think that Republicans use Antifa as like this catch-all for all protesters that you know just isn't accurate it's like maybe for some of them but not all it's like the way liberals use racist

for like people on the right there's a lot of them other ones are just voting their self-interest and they just don't care maybe not racist you just don't give a fuck about people I don't know I it would be interesting I just, what do we expect from this administration other than that at this point now? Like, this is who Trump. Remember when we all thought he was dead?

Oh, I know. Three days? Fool me once. That was a wild weekend. This past weekend I saw some tweets snuck through my notifications of like, it's been X amount of days since we saw Donald Trump. And I'm like, I'm not doing this again, folks. Absolutely not. I bought a travel mic just in case he died while I was on a plane and no, never again.

He did disappear for like a shorter amount of time last weekend and like three days. And now they say that on Friday he's going for his annual physical at Walter Reed, which he had one six months ago. But he's doing it again. So there's some, I mean, the guy's got some sort of treatment going on, which is fine. 79. He just doesn't want people to know that that is his age. So the next clip I want to watch from this Antifa roundtable involves the founding of Antifa. Thank you.

Because the contradictions are everywhere in this meeting. So Christine Nome says they arrested the girlfriend of one of the founders of Antifa. But Jack Posobic, a guy, he's a guy. He's a neo-Nazi collaborator and sympathizer. I'll just say one of the first things he did in 26, during the election was go to a Hillary Clinton rally and hold up a sign that said rape a Melania in order to cast everybody in the crowd as these terrible people. So he is just a liar from the very beginning.

Yes, exactly. So here he is talking about Antifa. Mr. President, thank you so much for having us here today and holding this roundtable. Antifa is real. Antifa has been around in various iterations for almost 100 years in some. instances going back to the Weimar Republican Germany. Going back to the Weimar Republican Germany. Whose side were you on then, man?

Or were they... For World War II? Or were they anti-Jack? What were they anti? Who were the fascists that they were anti? He knows what he's doing there. That's an intentional dog whistle megaphone. I don't know what.

Yeah, it's political theater. But it seems like you're at least risking a little bit of Donald Trump, like, waking up. here because he was pretty sleepy during the whole thing of Trump waking up and being like wait what are you saying? Antifa was there at the wait you don't wasn't the because Trump still thinks that the Nazis were the bad guys I think he would

still agree Jack Posobic doesn't yeah I don't think he has understood I don't think he understands the context of a lot of stuff exactly but what if he perked up and is like wait what are you saying what do you mean that Antifa goes back to the Weimar Republican Germany continue go on I mean the whole the whole meeting was just bizarre

you have this whole thing of like just anyone anyone is protesting and at one point christie noem said antifa are they she likened them to hamas ms 13 uh ISIS as Bella and said they're just as dangerous as ISIS so I think they've made it clear what they intend to do I the problem is that if you start labeling Antifa like those organizations and you're militarizing you're changing cities into militaristic zones, then you're approaching some degree of warfare. That's what they're, you know, it's what they do with the drug dealers, the drug traffickers and labeling them as terrorists and blowing up these boats of fishermen and saying, it's okay, we're at war.

But he's also the peace president who wants a Nobel Peace Prize, but he's waging war on alleged like drug traffickers. And then in this meeting, they also said, we're going to treat them these Antifa protesters, whatever, like we treat the drug traffickers and cartels. So what are we to glean from that? But the fact that we're classifying things in this way in and of itself is so unprecedented. Designating organizations as terrorists has been reserved for non-American citizens, not for people here. And notably, you know, there's lots of things that, you know, organizations that one might want to designate as terrorists that we haven't. Yeah, we just have, we have an administration that is declared war.

We have a department of war that is now looking for a war. And from what I can see declaring war on their own citizens. Openly, proudly. Active duty reporting to domestic cities to walk the street. You deployed somewhere in Afghanistan and then they go, yeah, we got to send you to Detroit. To do what? Six mile road. You're going to walk six mile.

Make sure everything's straight. It's like, this is ridiculous. I have to interject briefly. We don't have to talk much about this. Leticia James was just indicted for bank fraud. Oh, they did it. Eastern District of Virginia. Yeah.

U.S. Attorney Lindsey Halligan presented the case apparently herself to the grand jury. Don't know, you know, as we did with Comey, all of the specifics about it, but that's brand new as of this. moment. Do you think someone's going to get fired for not doing a perp walk for her? It's so interesting. Did they want to do the perp walk when it was announced or just for the arraignment? I think for, yeah, just like, I think whatever. I don't think they really care. I think as long as we can do a perp walk for Comey. But they couldn't. So fire the guy. Maybe they'll get one for her. It's so wild that just for months, they've been like, we don't have any evidence. We can't, there's no evidence for the thing. You keep saying that,

she did this crime, but we can't prove it. So leave us alone and like, okay, well, you're fired. I'll get somebody to lie about it. And it worked. Yeah, just do it. It's like, no, she didn't do nothing. You're fired. Who's up?

Do it. Okay, yes, sir. Exactly. And then, yeah. No, it's like next man up. We're on like our fifth string U.S. attorneys at this point. Like, they're putting in practice squad players. It's not going well.

So speaking of the weapons. of the DOJ. We found out in reporting in the Wall Street Journal on Wednesday night that the Pam message that Trump posted on Truth Social was, in fact, supposed to be a DM directly to her. I did not believe this until people inside the White House apparently corroborated it to the Wall Street Journal. Trump was surprised that it was publicly posted, him saying, Pam, you got to indict all my enemies. We're looking weak if we don't do it. And then because of that

screw up. I love that he signs his DMs. Yeah, signs everything. Yeah, sign the checks. Sign the texts. Sign the texts. Sign the DMs. Sign everything illegal so they know it was you. Sign the letter to your pedophile best friend. Yeah, there we are. So Pam Vondi, I guess, got very

upset about this when the DM was public. She called the White House. She called Trump. and then they all huddled together and agreed to post that second post where they said Bondi's doing a great job. It'll be interesting to see at the halfway mark with midterms how many of these people are still here. Or do they all just start falling off like Elon? Even though I still would argue that Elon is still working kind of behind the scenes.

He's just not the front man anymore. I mean, I'm also curious. I have the same thought, although I was expecting more people to be. fired or you know ousted in some capacity by now. I was because it didn't take long for a time

you know. Well they're all loyal. I was going to say I think they all sort of realize like it's just the loyalty. That's all you need. Like as long as I say he's great publicly and do the find fake crimes to prosecute people for then I can stick around and everybody getting fired is just people who have

some semblance of a conscience who are like, well, I'm not going to do that, and then they go. Right, right. And he's sort of, the first term was a lot of, like, well, we can be the adults in the room and we can babysit him and make sure he doesn't do too much. But now it's just everybody like, yeah, let's do it. Let's destroy it all. And they know the game they need to play, it seems.

Yeah, like the Bondi having been on the hot seat in so much as there is a hot seat at all is because she apparently attempted to not discuss cases. with Trump and he internally was upset that she was slow playing this like why hasn't comie been indicted yet it's april what's going on uh she did kind of want to stay away from that said oh that's up to the deputy attorney general who's choosing the cases um so toss it to blanche uh and then now he's got this this u.s attorney in the eastern district of virginia who's doing all the stuff he wants so the pressure's kind of off her but um all that talk at the beginning of the administration which was like don't worry about Bondi.

She's like the serious one in this administration. And of course in these... She's sane. Yeah. But in the cabinet meetings, obviously she falls all over herself. Like, thanks to your leadership, Mr. Trump, everyone's got $10 billion now. But, like, privately it appears, according to this Wall Street Journal article, that she tried to keep a little bit of distance there.

And that's why Mag is calling for her head. Held on for nine months. Working for this man in any... capacity is a bad idea, but I do think being agey for Donald Trump is just a terrible career move. Really bad choice all around. You're going to get fucked. You just are. You either going to get fucked by him or you're going to get fucked by everybody else once he's gone. That's my opinion. Sorry, Pam. But surely she's doing a good job with the Epstein stuff, right? Oh, right. All that stuff.

she did a good job with congress she spoke to a a senate committee this week and there's a interesting back and forth with senator sheldon white house who is asking her about this is a slightly longer clip but i think we can watch it asking her about uh allegations of photos that the FBI has of Donald Trump with quote half naked young women let's watch this let me ask you something else there's been public reporting that Jeffrey Epstein showed people photos of President Trump with half-naked young women. Do you know if the FBI found those photographs in their search of Jeffrey Epstein's safe or premises or otherwise? Have you seen any such thing? You know, Senator White House, you sit here and make salacious remarks once again trying to slander President Trump left and right. When you're the one who was taking money from one of Epstein's closest confidence, I believe, I could be wrong, correct me, Reid Hoffman, who was with Jeffrey Epstein on multiple occasions. And the senator sitting right next to you tried to block the flight

logs from being released. Yet you're grilling me on President Trump and some photograph with Epstein? Come on. The question is, did the FBI find those photographs that have been discussed publicly by a witness who claimed Jeffrey Epstein showed them to him. You don't know anything about that. Okay. We've learned of nothing else from this administration how to dip and dodge lies in your marriage.

Like if you're cheating, you have every possible playbook. Did you have sex with her? you dare to question me. Yeah, exactly. When you accept money from a friend who's like just bring up just whatever. Just deflect, deflect, deflect. It's beautiful. Or just make a face and don't answer.

Just roll your eyes as if you can't believe you've been asked this question. It's just like also just being like, and you're asking me about these alleged pictures of Trump with Epstein. Well, we also have many pictures of Trump with Epstein already. This doesn't out of the blue. We all know the history of these people, but it doesn't matter to them. Does anybody believe them? I mean, there are a few people that do. But I think more, even supporters know that something fishy is happening here.

Even supporters are like, y'all are lying. It's interesting that her point is like, you're bringing this up, Senator White House, when you hung out with a friend of Jeffrey Epstein. So you think being close friends with Jeffrey Epstein is bad then? Is that bad? Is that bad? Ms. Bondi, you agree that someone being really close with Jeffrey Epstein for like a decade in certain context might not be a positive thing? The contradictions are, it's just, they're overwhelming every day.

Yeah, I just, I think that these people have to implode in their own failures. I just think that logicing them to death or like even the King Jeffrey's getting with Mike Lawler in the hall. hallway the other day. I'm like, all right, that's a nice little show. It's not going to make Mike Lala turn around and go, okay, I should reconsider my book. Like, that part of it, these people are so married to power and corruption that they are willing to do or say anything to stay aligned next to it. And the getting away with it, too, is like part of it. Like the sort of the lying, the hypocrisy, the contradictions, all this sort of stuff. It's, it's demoralizing to a lot of people like as a as a tactic and it's kind of they they not everybody but they kind of seem to

enjoy it like it's like this is part of it like part of is i get pleasure out of like lying to your face and knowing i'm being hypocritical but it doesn't matter i'm going to get away with it and that's part of it too yeah we've lost truth i remember those days listening to you guys chat right now i'm just thinking about where we started and you're talking about old school journalists and how we don't really have it anymore. And that's because we can't afford to have somebody sitting up there and recurgitating lies and trying to be unbiased about it when it's just wrong. You know, it's really difficult to come across as unbiased in an environment where

this lies are just so normal and impossible to contain. So you kind of have to have a perspective. You can't. You just can't be a normal. I understand the like the feeling of futility though because it used to be someone would make a claim and then the journalist would fact check it and say here's the reality and then move on. But now you have guys like Daniel Dale for CNN who have to say, okay, Trump just spoke for 10 minutes and then you just have to read off a laundry list of things that are not true that he made up. It is so dizzying. It must feel like what's the point of this at all? If you are listening to this guy and you think he's making any sense,

you don't care that any of this, that all of it's made up. And you can't even, you know, you can't fit in a headline. He says like all these lies like, okay, so I guess we'll phrase it like Trump falsely claims that this, but even that is going to be perceived by half, you know, half the country, the third of the country, whatever as. And then he'll sue your newspaper. Exactly. And then, or you'll settle.

even though you don't need to ahead of time and then he'll be told by that action that he can just do it for everybody and then you hire Bari Weiss to head your news department maybe maybe this back and forth with

Sheldon Whitehouse went on for a while and he asked her about the $50,000 that Tom Homan took I'm not going to play the whole clip but basically she keeps going back to this scripted line where she says the investigation of Mr. Homan was subjected to a full review.

They found no evidence of wrongdoing. And Senator White House is like, well, I didn't ask about that. What happened to the $50,000? Did the FBI take it back? Or does he still, does he have the $50,000? And then she's like, you should ask Cash Patel about that. I'm sure he'll be very, very forthcoming about that. Just ask Cash.

I mean, if he was going to tell you, he would have tweeted it already. That's true. I don't know. You'd have been better off subpoenaing a Kava employee and asking them. What they saw before Cash Patel gives you the full... It is, like, funny. They did this whole thing. It was a sting operation.

They got him, and where it all ended up is he got $50,000 to spend on things for himself. Although, has he, maybe I just haven't seen him on the weekend shows. Has he been kind of, like, taken a back seat? He used to be on TV five, six times a week, and now I have not seen him recently. He's kind of laying low, it seems. I haven't seen him either. I mean, he might just be taking some extra time for more brides. He could be taking more bribes at the moment.

He's in an underpass right now or a parking garage taking bribes currently. You got to figure out all my bribes, baby. Maybe Cash will finally show some evidence when there's a bullet with $50,000 engraved on it or something like that. Yeah. There will be a bag that says money not for a component for up and up stuff. Spin this, fascist. so one thing with Epstein that's kind of still in flux is that micer uh micr speaker Mike Johnson still refuses to swear in

representative elect Adelaida Griolva from Arizona she is expected to be the 218th signature on the petition to force a full house vote on releasing more Epstein materials he Mike Johnson has been really flip-flopping about will he or won't he swear her in and when or why he previously said he'd do it as soon as she wants but then has said that well we're going to do it when the house is in session

even though the house is like in a pro forma session you can still do it and people have been sworn in before and there's really no reason not to other than recently specifically recently to conservative reps from Florida were sworn in

in a pro forma session and his excuse was their family was in town it was a special occasion something to that effect I'm sure there's a more specific but it keeps like you know the family was here and we did it but that was its own unique

situation it's just fucking do it you coward but we know why he's not but when a when a Democrat's gonna learn to lie and use that to their advantage. I think there's such a desire to be liked throughout your political life cycle by your base that it keeps you from running the games that you need to run to get progress.

She shouldn't have said shit about Epstein's list. You won. Don't say shit. And then they'd be like, well, when you get in, what's the first thing you're going to do when you get it on? She said she was going to vote for the thing. Shut the fuck up.

Just just, just, Oh, well, you know, I'll just get acquainted and hopefully find where the coffee maker is. Tee-hee. And then you get sworn in and then you fucking flip the script on them bitches. There's this such a desire to, oh, hey, you voted for me and I'm going to go there and do the right thing. Now you're sitting with no job. You got a job that you can't start at because you talk too much. You got to.

The score points online, you know, or race. raise your profile. And you already won. So what more points? You already won. But that's kind of it. I would go as far to say as lie, but then you run the risk of burning your base. If you go, I don't see the point in Epstein files being released. Then you flip.

They'll say you flip because of pressure from your base or whatever, whatever. But I don't know. They were always going to block. But also it's like, you know, to your point, like it's more, it's less like, oh, lie to the American people or lie to your base or whatever. It's like, lie to them, lie to your opponents so that they don't go on the defense and then not swear you in. Yeah, but then you also have a bunch of reporters in the pool grilling her if you're elected. What will you do about the Epstein? Shut the fuck up. We're trying to do something here.

Trying to sneak in. I think we're in the situation. We want those files, but we don't want the files. It's been so long. What could possibly be in those things that they're still afraid of? I can't imagine. Nothing's going to, it doesn't matter. Or it's really bad and it does matter. Right.

That's the thing. But like what could it be? I feel like if it was something that bad, it would have leaked or come out. You know, I don't want to get my hopes up that when this stuff comes out, there's going to be something really damning for Trump, whatever could possibly be damning for Trump at this point.

It's, it's, but now it's just been built up so much you think it'll probably be a victory for them when they come out and it's just like oh yeah he was really close friends with like all the stuff you knew yeah what they've done and the way that they have how fucking suspicious he is all the time the way he's handled it the way they all handle it whatever does come out if it doesn't implicate the president or whatever no matter what people aren't going to trust it i don't have any faith in whatever the fuck they put out at any point at all, let alone with this.

So, sure. Release the, do your whatever thing. Redact everything. Eventually let come out that's like nothing to see here. You're a liar and you're lying and I will never ever believe you. And I will be a conspiracy theorist of the day I die and fuck you for making me that. How dare you? It's, yeah, it's, it is frustrating.

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