Some More News - Even More News: Trump's Racism Somehow Reaches A New Low

Episode Date: December 5, 2025

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Hello, on today's episode, we talk about Donald Trump's cabinet meeting, his racist rants, his droopy eyes, and Pete Hegg sets excuses for the ongoing war crimes. Ooh, sounds like a great show. Oh, hello. Welcome back to even more news, the first and only news podcast. My name is Katie Stoll. Hi, Katie. Thank you for welcoming me specifically back to the show. And oh, our audience is here too.

Hello. Welcome to the show. You are welcome. They are welcome. You are Cody. Jonathan is also here. Oh, boy. Hi.

Yeah. Yes. A wacky one today. Yeah, you're really mixing things up. And I usually prep for like 20 minutes for that moment. And when I don't, anything's liable to come out. And it did. Friday, December 5th is a weird one.

Bathtub party day. Ooh. Thumbs down. What is this about? What are you doing? It's about bathtub parties. I don't know. Almost everyone nowadays, I'm telling you, almost everyone nowadays takes showers.

So here's a day to recall some of the luxury of days gone. by invite a few friends get out of here who has a bathtub big enough to fit a few friends fake in there with me fake it's holidays fake I am a bathtub girl love you're saying you can't be saying that don't Jonathan I'm a tough girl I'm not just like Katie's saying it to me so I'm just like confirming I feel like I said something Katie rephrase Katie what's wrong with that just say just say you are a person who likes taking paths I'm a person who likes taking baths, a.k.a. A.k.a.a. A bathtub girl.

No. Yeah. It's just so simple. Okay. I honestly don't know why bathtub girl is bad, but I don't. And you never should, to be honest. I love a bath. Folks, I think it's very relaxing. There we go. Loves a bath lady. Bath lady. Crazy bath lady.

A fan of bathtubs. I don't want that to be a party with other people, though. Yeah, why would you? It would be not comfortable for multi-party. like a party for a limit yeah or like a news though what about it though unless you guys want to chat like just general check in of how everyone's doing i think that we would cut that from the episode we did in fairness we did that for an hour before this we did we did i don't know sometimes people like to check in with how we're doing sometimes people like the chit chat up top i don't

disagree with you but i know almost for a fact that our editor will cut it out Nick, leave it all in and let the people decide. Chit-chat or no. Sign off in the comments. Chit-chatter, no. Sign off in the comments. Did you hear this or not? If we check the comments and no one mentions this, we'll know it's gone.

I'm certainly not listening to it again. Is this part where we ask for you to respond to the comments? Cut from the episode. Please sound off in the comments. Nick, let us have our news time, though. Let's do it. Let's doze it. Well, a lot is.

connected to this cabinet meeting that Trump held that took place on Tuesday. This connects to everything else we're going to talk about today. But to start, I guess we should talk about Trump's racist, disgusting comments about the Somali American community. But to start, Tim Walls and Minnesota's dealing with there's fraud. There's a lot of fraud that's going on in Minnesota. And some people convicted of fraud are from. the Minnesota Somali American community, I guess is all I need to say up top. Yeah, that's very fair assessment of those situations. Right.

There's more to it, but then there's that. So a reporter says on Tim Walls, Mr. President, do you think he should resign over the fraud scandal in his state? And Trump launched into a rant that started by calling Walls incompetent and talking about Ilhan Omar. And then he started saying some pretty horrendous things. There's no structure. And when I see somebody like Ilhan Omar, who I don't know at all, but I always watch a few years. I've watched a complaint about our Constitution, how she's

being treated badly, a constitution, the United States of America is a bad place, hates everybody, hates Jewish people, hates everybody. And I think she's an incompetent person. She's a real, terrible person. Somalians ripped off that state for billions of dollars. Billions. Every year, billions of dollars. And they contribute nothing. The welfare is like 88%. They contribute nothing. I don't want them in our country. I'll be honest with you. Okay. Somebody who said, oh, that's not politically correct. I don't care. I don't want them in our country. Their country is no good for a reason, their country stinks, and we don't want them in our country. I could say that about other countries, too.

There are 80,000 Somali Americans living in Minnesota, and he's not talking about people here with documentation or not or anything like that. No, people who were living here are people fleeing civil war. He's just saying they're garbage, and he doesn't want them here. People born here. Because, I mean, even saying their country stinks, well, their country is America, sir. Their country is America. Yeah, this is one of those.

Oh, it's been a while since Trump's been like so outwardly, openly racist. He really let her rip. At least he didn't use the R word in this. Well, he didn't have some fucking 24-year-old Groyper writing his little speech tweets. Yeah. tough to find silver linings in this one like a real multi-minute tirade at the end of a two hour plus cabinet meeting he didn't need to say any of this um they were finished um we know this is what you believe please keep yeah we don't need to yourself uh yeah it's really just disgusting um

obviously uh saying they contribute nothing over and over is not true they're not people the work got through their garbage all this stuff it's just plain racism well we were going to talk more about the scandal in minnesota of course but in general this is another chapter out of his same playbook of drumming up hatred and fear towards a specific community um point blame get the median of frenzy for a day or two and let it justify his continued attacks on walls which he does seem to be in Trump's crosshairs at the moment. He's the current fixation. Yeah, I do think the media that I saw was trying to say, hey, this is like, I know we're all desensitized to when Trump says this stuff. This is a big deal that an American president is going on this kind of racist rant

about a group of people that is not just like four people that committed a crime, but tens of thousands of people. The New York Times called it a xenophobic tirade that was shocking in its unapologetic bigotry and I you know that's just one sentence but I do feel that there were efforts by the media to really stop and underscore this one lest we become completely desensitized yeah that's you know there's another era maybe when they would have called it like racially tinged or something like that but the sentence you read is pretty straightforward yeah they called it shocking and you know we still have a

ability to be shocked by things that this man says and does and God I can't believe he said all that stuff about Haitian people while he was trying to get people to vote for him and then they did and then they did so

I guess yeah no I know it doesn't seem to matter maybe this one does because it's so blatant and so vile. We know who he is and what he said over these years, and it didn't seem to matter in the election. People are desensitized to it. Some people are racist. I mean, a lot of people do like what they said this. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And a lot of people, you know, are influenced by whatever videos they see on social media framing this as some sort of scourge and that we should all be afraid locked in your homes from the bad immigrants. And I'm not going to go, I'm not going to go so far as to say this is not who we are, you know. But sure, this is not who most, like what he said is not who most of us are.

And he continues to paint a picture of America that does not match most people's lived experiences. Like, this was Biden's problem last year when they were trying to say, actually, the economy's pretty good. And everyone's like, well, look around. Everything's too expensive. Now he's trying to do it and saying, actually afford a big. is a hoax and I'm for everything's more affordable now like well that's your problem now you're telling people that their lived experience is not true and he's doing the same thing when he goes so far to say like all of these cities people are afraid to leave their homes they're unlivable

because even people who don't live in those cities and live in the suburbs I think most of them know it's not like that like they might think oh going to the big city I hope I'm not a victim of a but like I I think they know that what he's saying is a fantasy is like a dark, demonic fantasy, and he's doing it more and more with everything. The whole goal for him all the time is to take isolated incidents or specific individuals or one event and transferred over to an entire population that he can demonize, whether it be a specific immigrant population, oh, Haitians reading the dogs and cats, blah, blah, which also is just based off the complete lie, or this fraud case or anything.

And I think that most people, like you're saying, Jonathan, do sort of recognize that tactic as like, well, this is just blatant demagoguery. Like, it's childish on its face to, to assume people like all think like that. But let's explain the scandal that he's trying to. Right. So we all know that there was tons of COVID-era fraud. Not by design, but they knew it was going to happen because they knew we needed to get resources and money into people. pockets quickly because everyone's losing their jobs and whatnot. So fraud was kind of inevitable and there of course was lots of it. And one area from a lot of different people, a lot of very wealthy people,

a lot of corporations that didn't need it, but continue. Yeah. And so one kind of specific bit of fraud was these people that started a fake nonprofit called Feeding Our Future, which they used us to get COVID funds and connected to some of these Minnesota schemes, 59 people have been convicted in the last several years, some of whom were part of the Somali diaspora, like some of the people behind feeding our future. I think that a lot, I think a significant percentage of that number are people from Somalia just to, you know, be clear. That's why this is part of it.

But continue with the vaccine. Yes, that's why he's singling out this. community and federal prosecutors are saying that this feeding our future scheme was pretty big even in comparison to other COVID-related fraud. I do think it also continued outside of COVID stuff, that there were other, which I don't know the specifics of, but some other abuses of social programs. Yes. And so the idea from the Trump administration is that this casts some sort of shadow over the 80,000 Somali Americans, as well as Ilhan Omar, who has nothing to do with any of this, and Tim Walls, who was the governor, who has put in a bunch of, like, he signed executive

orders, like anti-fraud measures since then, because it's been such a, this is an investigation that's gone on for years. This is not a news story, but since this happened, you know, quote unquote, under his watch, he signs an executive order intensifying efforts to detect fraud and adding new penalties and even proposed using AI tools to try and detect fraud. So he's been like kind of all over this this year. That's why 58 people have already been arrested. That's the part that's real. And then Chris Rufo and all his wisdom decided to add on a not real part by saying that

the fraud money has been funneled to the terrorist group al-Shabab because he wants to make it, he doesn't think it's racist enough. Yeah, no, he needs to make it more. He needs to heighten the racism. Yeah. So he wanted to make it more terrifying. to make it something truly anti-American instead of the very American standard fraud.

Exactly. This is a perfect example of taking something that is real. This is something that happened. Happens in a lot of instances, not just this one that we're focusing on right now. And again, we've highlighted them over the years. We've known that this is true. But it's a very real thing.

And then extrapolating that, hyper-focusing on one community to other them, to paint them all as criminals and also probably create a narrative about how social programs are just all being abused across the board. You know, a real throw the baby out with the bathwater situation. Instead of the thing that we all acknowledge

is that, yeah, there's some amount of fraud that happens, especially when times are as hard as they have been for all of us increasingly every year not to dismiss fraud, but like, yeah, that's to be expected. but that doesn't mean that those programs aren't important. That doesn't mean that it's not serving a purpose.

It means, yeah, we can have different rules and regulations about how we monitor fraud, but it's going to happen. People are going to figure out how to gain the system no matter what. In some cases, we call that being an American. We call that ingenuity. If it was Donald Trump, we'd say he was smarter than you guys and figured it out. He has said that about himself. Yeah, no, I wanted to highlight that actually because. They do this all the time specifically to try to say that like any helpful program is bad and should be destroyed.

It was Elon ran into this constantly with Doge where he'd be like, look, we found all this fraud. And it's like, well, no, the investigators in charge of finding fraud did years ago. You know about it because we found out about it. This is another great example of it where everyone's like, oh my God, they did all this fraud. oh my God, they're getting away with it. No, they're actually not. You know about it because they're not getting away with it. We have institutions and investigators in place to prevent this or catch it if it's not prevented. And they can point to this all they want and like, oh my God, look at all this fraud. Yeah, well, guess what's happening? People are getting convicted for it. So they can't actually use this. I mean, they can. They're going to try. But just Elon did it all the time. Any fraud in Social Security. is like oh my god see there's all this fraud no they found it they prosecute those sort of things that's the whole point of having these institutions in the system is that you can detect and prosecute when this happens right they like caught them that's why walls has been going around

saying like why are you coming at me that the system worked we like our investigators the federal investigators found them and prosecuted them and and they didn't hide and and and and And the narrative that they want to have is like, oh, my God, the Somalians get away with all this fraud and tampon Tim is letting them and sweeping it under the rug. No, he's exposing it and trying to like... Yeah, tough on crime, Tim. Exactly. So they're just like sort of flailing to try to be as racist as possible. Good luck to them.

Double bonus, they can also demonize any sort of welfare program by pointing out that fraud is detected and prosecuted. against when it happens. It's that whole thing of like there were more, that Marjorie Taylor Green thing, that there were more people apprehended at the border under Biden,

which shows that they were caught more. That they were caught. Exactly. He's doing the thing you want to be done, but it's a sign that, well, they see you as being so permissive that they're going to commit more crimes under you. Like, it's a logic that falls back on itself. Yes.

Constantly. The, what would make sense in their, in their world is like, oh yeah, Tim, he caught this fraud, and nobody ever heard about it because he let them all go. Well, that didn't happen, so now what? Do you have a home chef in your life who needs a serious hardware upgrade this holiday season? Like, let's say you live with a Swedish chef whose eyes are completely obscured by giant bushy brown eyebrows, and he desperately needs better cookware. For that hypothetical guy, you gotta go with hexclad, cookware that style.

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agreement with iGaming Ontario. Do you guys want to talk about him falling asleep in that same meeting? I don't have anything else to introduce. He fell asleep quite clearly at a couple different points. Dosed.

The way you might, if it's, you want to watch a movie late at night and you're like I just finished for the day I'm sitting down to watch this movie and you're really nodding off those lids are heavy they get so heavy

I don't think you've ever seen me doze off in a company meeting have you no but of course Trump didn't have the option to turn off his camera and mute himself he's sitting right there with every camera pointed at him and going I know that

this has been talked about this week and I don't know how critically it's been talked about on certain channels. I know that Fox News happened to have him on camera as he was nodding off. And so that's not a good look. Not great. I just can't. I will never be over the fact that they're just such a double standard.

This is just the sleepiest man who keeps nodding off, who is so unwell, who keeps getting MRIs and brain scans and demands. dementia tests and is incoherent half the time and is visibly dying in front of all of her eyes. And there's not a fucking breath of a word from his sick advance to even suggest that they understand the double standard, the hypocrisy. That dementia test was an IQ test that he decided to take, though. They said, do you want to take this test? And he said, yeah, I'm a healthy man. I love tests.

Let's be fair to the man. Yeah, he fell asleep during this cabinet meeting. It's absurd. It's absurd. It's ridiculous. It's like... I just like, if we're not talking about how unfit he is for the office, I know I say a similar thing. Almost every week when a story like this comes up, but I don't know what else to say other than the man is dying and is old and shouldn't be the president.

Have you guys seen the... I mean, I know it's maybe his, his heart, there's a heart thing, but have you seen the theory this week that he's on some kind of Alzheimer's treatment, which requires a monthly injection, which would explain the hand and a monthly brain scan, because brain bleeds can be a side effect? I don't know. I'm just listening to doctors, aka people online who may. Like, there's only so many things it could be, though. Right? it's like it's a heart thing it's a brain thing it's a

those are the ones I mean come on like how many things but he's not like a drinker he's still covering the hand wherever he's going it seems to be like the first few days of the month when he has to go

for these things so it's like a monthly regimen of things you know what's interesting though I don't know if you've had the experience I had this sometimes where especially on Zoom we're in meetings and I'll like zone out for like 45 seconds and then come back and hear something someone's saying and then I'm like

oh I have something to add to that and then you end up saying something that was already said I feel like Trump's gonna do that one of these days he's gonna he's gonna wake up and then say and everyone's gonna pretend like Rubio just said that oh yeah yeah we're like you're called on he's like called on yeah sir do you have any of ads like that that's a good prediction we should make our predictions for 2026 we should bet on it on an app where you can bet on any disagreement you have with anyone. We could log on to CNN.com and

bet on the news. On the news. Now that they're doing yeah. We love the future don't we? Every even even bet, even met bore betting more bet more now. Bet more now. Just bet

just bet more now. Just bet more. Just bet more. Keep gaming. Keep gaming. Yeah look it up folks. I guess. Oh yeah, we're talking about a thing. Yeah. We're actual thing.

Yeah. Should we talk about the boat? The boat strikes? Yeah, they did talk about that in the sleepy meeting. Yeah.

So far it's sleepy and racist. Can we add a little spice to it? I did not personally see survivors, but I stand because the thing was on fire. It was exploded in fire

or smoke. You can't see anything. You got digital. This is called the fog of war. This is what you and the press don't understand. So the thing about this that I think is very interesting is if you're a fan of the show, you'll know that we just released a Some More News episode about Venezuela and the Trump administration's aggression toward Venezuela.

And these boat strikes are already war crimes. Yeah. Like we're already blowing up boats of people that they say are drug traffickers. And even if they are, you still can't just. blow them up because they're not enemy combatants, but what seems to have gotten everyone freaked out this week is that there were survivors that we then blew up, which is bad. Don't get me wrong, but I'm surprised that it's seen as this much worse than the thing they're openly doing.

Yeah, that's interesting, isn't it? Well, because also, and they've talked, and we talked about this in the episode, they talk openly about how they wish they could do more war crimes like they talk about how they want to blow more people up and have fewer restrictions on what they can and can't get away with yeah um but it does seem like this is i mean significantly worse uh to a lot of people it's uh so so here's what happened sorry on september 2nd they blew up a boat after they did that there were two survivors hanging onto the remnants of the boat and then we sent

we the United States military sent another plane back to kill those two people and that is even if that's an enemy boat of like soldiers that's a war crime international law the Geneva Conventions all that requires that once people are out of the fight you rescue them they're prisoners of war now you can't just go and kill them

again that's also presuming that you've been in a fight which this was not a fight of any kind it's not a war but right if you were going to accept the premise that this was war and that first strike was legal which we reject um this would still be an international war crime so i really quick because we talked about the memes on monday because they were like bragging about this pete haggseth was online bragging about this now things are a little bit different and the stories keep changing So just in the last few days, Trump was asked about it, said he wouldn't have wanted that second strike, the double-tap strike, to happen, but he also wasn't sure that it did. Then the White House confirmed that it happened, and then Pete Hegeseth, in the cabinet meeting, said he didn't make the decision to do the second strike, that after the first strike, he left the room, because he's got meetings and saloons to go to or whatever.

And that Admiral Frank Mitch Bradley did. He made the decision, that guy over there, but also it was the right decision. But if you're angry at someone, be angry at him. Nothing to see here, but if you're mad, it's that guy's fault. As if he's not the guy in charge. Sorry. If Jonathan does something that reflects poorly on our company, the buck stops with the person. Jonathan, who did it.

Yeah, no. Oh, I was going to say something else. Sure. Well, you were going to say the right. You were going to say the correct thing. Yeah, I was going to say the correct thing. It's just absurd. And wasn't that guy testifying today before Congress?

Well, it was at a closed-door session. He met with them. He disputed that there was a Washington Post report a few days ago that said Hegseth said, kill them all. And the Admiral Bradley said, that's not true. That didn't happen. And then he showed them the video, yeah. He was really sweet about it.

The Admiral showed them the video. members of Congress from both parties and the reactions to that video are kind of on a party line where Democrats are like, this is horrible. These were two survivors clearly trying to like flip over a boat so that they could survive and then we killed them. And then there's people like Tom Cotton who said that they were, here's the quote, I saw two survivors trying to flip a boat loaded with drugs bound for the United States back over so they could stay in the fight which is

what a thing to say when back in the fight because if you're if your boat has capsized and your only way of surviving is to flip it back over how could that possibly be an act of war you're back in the fight you're back in the fight

and also it's a boat that's if it's a boat that is is small enough that two people could feasibly flip it over and it has already been blown up. Is it going to make the 1,300 mile trek from Venezuela to Florida? Is that a thing that's possible? Again, if they're just, okay, we're going to flip the boat back over and we're going to get all the drugs that we can

and then we're going to continue to take those drugs to their destination. okay but that doesn't mean they're back in the fight either what describe the fight what do you mean by it back in the fight what's the fight if it's just what are they fighting with you would think that it would do a lot more

for their cause to capture people compensate the drugs prove it but also find out who sent them find out where the drugs were manufactured specific

Do you literally anything other than just think... Kill them all? Maybe we've got them with no confirmation, no evidence. But you would think that a better tactic would be to get information, confiscate the drugs, make sure they've been destroyed. But no, obviously that's... Obviously, that's not what they want to do. They want to start over.

Well, right. And again, that's, I mean, that's what Hegg Seth has been talking about and alluding to. It's like, yeah, we're going to fire people who stop us from making these kinds of decisions. they want to continue to do this and probably worse. Yeah, it's so weird how they're trying. Hegseth specifically is trying to have it both ways where he's the big tough guy and he's calling all the shots. But just in case, I didn't call this specific shot, which was correct, unless you don't

think it was correct, in which case it's this guy. But I support him. Yeah, the decorated admiral who's going to go to jail for me. Also fun, just tidbit from this week. he's renaming it to Donald J. Trump's Department of Peace? Is that correct? It's the building, I'm pretty sure, is the name.

But I just can't talk about this story without saying that. What is it, man? Is it the Department of War? Are you the Peace King? Are we you keeping peace or starting a war? It's both. It's the State Department's Peace. War Department's War.

Peace is only peaceful. Well, yeah, you have to have departments for both. Because of the war. Peace wouldn't exist without war, folks. Well, you've got to aggressively do the war. The war is a department. It's a department that does the war. The peace is an institute.

We institute the peace after we've departed the war. Well, we do the war. We depart the war. I see. I just needed some men to explain it to my girl brain. Here we go. It's very simple, Katie. It's very simple.

Was that patronizing enough? I can do it. I can really lean into it. I know it doesn't come natural to you. No, don't. It doesn't. No, I don't. I never explain anything to anyone. I never think I know the thing that other people don't. It's never. It's never happened, Katie. It's never happened before. Quiet, piggy. You should have said that. God. Oh, my God. But you know what? The buck stops with you. So if I did say that, it would, it would kind of be your fault, really. It would be my fault. Like, if you think about it. Everything's my fault. And that's true. Sorry about the state of our country. No, it's not true. A little more Heg-Seth stuff.

The Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday that Heg-Seth asked the other admiral guy, Admiral Alvin Holsey, to step down after disagreeing with each other from the very beginning of Heg-Seth's tenure as Secretary of Defense. But also, apparently, Holsey regularly said, these strikes are illegal, and Hegseth said either order them or leave. Yep. And he left. so you know there were there were some disputes among the top admirals about the legality of there were there were signs there were signs early on that perhaps heggseth was intending to do the war crimes that he is definitely doing because of this resignation or firing people who can tell him that it's actually illegal if they can't tell you then you

you can just do it. If there's no one there to say, then it doesn't matter. And of course, I do think that video at Mark Kelly and was it Slotkin made a couple weeks ago was a little, I don't know, I'd

mixed feelings about it at the time, but this is literally case in point what they were talking about. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's a little, I don't know. I mean, you probably will lose your job if you don't follow the illegal orders. But if they're illegal, they're illegal. then they're illegal yeah but then it's interesting that this has been going on for a while but that when I forget what show Alyssa Slotkin went on a show and they said well what

the illegal orders are you referring to and she's like well I don't think there have been any yet that's exactly which is unfortunate given that you could point at any number of things but I guess she didn't she was getting worried about telling specific members of the military not to do specific things. Yeah. Yeah, I guess it would get a little dodgy if you're like, oh, you mean the things that are going on now. But also it could just be indicative of like, well, she's kind of okay with them doing this, you know. Because if the things that have happened are not the illegal orders you speak of, what are they?

What do you mean? Because this is bad. You know, before we started recording, I mentioned this op-ed trying to frame it. as these strikes are not illegal. Obama would do it, the double-tap strikes and blah, blah, blah. But again, if you see that floating around, yeah, Obama sucked too. Like drone strikes were bad. There was a little bit more legality with that in that he was, you know, using a prior authorized war act.

But, no, it sucks. But this is even more egregious. yeah it's um pretty uh frustrating to see that that's a you know they have to say something they have to have some sort of talking point they have to justify this somehow um and i've just seen so many people be like well if you're not if you weren't mad about obama doing this then you can't be mad about this first of all yeah you can you can think anything it's fine you can you can isolate this and talk about why it's bad but also many many people didn't like the drone strikes under Obama. Also, that's like

two and a half presidents ago. Are we not able to talk about the current day at all and specific events that are happening without being like, well, okay, if you weren't mad about this, but what about now?

I will acknowledge that Obama years, I think we can all acknowledge and appreciate or understand how we've changed and become more culturally dialed into the news and, you know, what's the latest catastrophe. But in the Obama years, a lot of people were checked out. A lot of people didn't understand the extent of which things were happening. If they did, they probably wouldn't have liked it if we were covering

things in the same way. And I think it's okay to acknowledge that and say, yeah, but we learn from that. And people do are aware of what happened and are not comfortable with it. We do not want to be a country that's always at war, always meddling in other places affairs, a country that kills indiscriminately for vague reasons. We are better than that. And that it, you know, was something that, in theory, Trump campaigned on being anti-war, you know, getting out, not being involved everywhere, not doing this. And so, yeah, we're paying more attention and we're pissed. And this is egregious. It's terrible. We don't, wanted to happen that's okay both things can be true also like hearing someone like criticize this

or point out how it's bad and then being like oh but if you were if like but you like obama like you didn't care about when obama was doing it it also implies that that person is saying i agree with what obama did right right which i don't think they want to be saying right it's just what i mean like just because people weren't speaking out about it then a lot of people didn't know it was happening but we're you know also but whatever we've got information a lot of people spoke out about it then a lot of people were unhappy about it did i just know that when it happens not even like after the fact yeah i feel like we talk about it a lot anyway people were like hey this sucks why why why are we doing all the droning stuff even you know eight nine

years removed from 9-11, it was a tougher argument to make to the American people who were still a little like, yeah, maybe we should do this. And there was a lot of, like, raw rawness around the killing of Osama bin Laden. But, yeah, exactly. Drone strikes had their detractors quite vocally. Biden reduced the number of drone strikes when he was in office. But he still did some, so throw them all in jail. They're all, all villains. I love, I love the, Tall villains. The fog of war justification.

What fog of fucking war? That's so funny. There's video. You saw guys on the video. They're like, well, the fog of if they had guns that they were going to fire into the sky. The fog of war, meaning your foggy brain all amped up on adrenaline and bloodthirstiness, that fog of war. It's like he thinks the phrase fog of war means literal fog. and it doesn't quite

it's a large it's like a larger more broad term about the uncertainty that one experiences in combat and some of it might have to do with fog but yeah we just couldn't see but also the claim is that you could you say that you could you could see them

yeah they were flipping over the boat and getting back in the fight but if there was the fog of war and you don't know then how do you know there's a whole movie called the fog of war he should maybe see it but there's there's the idea is that's something you bring up way after the fact to be like listen we couldn't have known there's all these different factors

piling up on each other once we were mired in in a in vietnam for five years but that's not what's happening here this is like aggression on your part uh yeah they called them like tactical like kinetic like kinetic strikes like i thought you were being like really targeted and professional you knew everything is going on but now you're like well the fog of war yeah this is not like you've drifted down the river to encounter colonel kurtz and you're like i don't know what's real and what's not anymore right you're the secretary of defense and you chose to blow up a boat and then you saw people and you chose to blow them up again with like you're and you're like it's like you're just using computers in like video like you have you're looking at it you're looking at it

maybe it's just like the resolution's a little too low the the the resolution of war Exactly. Got to upgrade those screens to 4K so you can see the guys holding the vomit tubes out there. Right off the right off the side. Look it up. Look it up. We're talking about something real. To indicate what kind of a actual scandal this is, this is Judge Andrew Napolitano, formerly of Fox News, now a contributor to Newsmax, talking about this.

It gives me no pleasure to say what I'm about to say because I worked with Pete Kegseth's first. seven or eight years at Fox News. This is an act of a war crime ordering survivors who the law requires be rescued instead to be murdered. There's absolutely no legal basis for it. Everybody along the line who did it, from the Secretary of Defense to the Admiral to the people who actually pulled the trigger, should be prosecuted for a war crime for killing these two people.

Okay, Judge Andrew Napolitano. Pretty clear. Not mince in words. Not at all. Pretty unequivocal right there. Yeah, it's like the New York Times talking about the racist tirade that the president went on. Yeah, that's pretty clear cut and straightforward. And after working with him for so long at Fox News.

For so long to just, yeah, okay. Well, presumably, though, he knows him better than others, certainly better than. than us. But that's fun. Just fun little note to end that conversation on, just to make it clear that it's not just us that think this. We're not the only three people

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Advertisement Yeah, we should just quickly recap what happened in Tennessee on Tuesday. Yes, we should. So as expected, Republican candidate Matt Van Epps defeated Democrat Afton Ben in Tennessee's

7th District on Tuesday. The real suspense was how much he would win by. There were some people who thought she had a chance. The Democrat in this district with what's been going on to pull this one out. But no, Van Epps won it by nine points, but this was a district that Trump won by 22 points last November.

So that's a 13 point swing and with a midterm level turnout, not really a special election turnout. That's significant. Some people might have been disappointed that it wasn't closer, but that is a wild swing. I think it is a really good harbinger of what's to come, of what things might look like. in the midterms. Especially when there's more attention on the races. You know, this is a special election. Yeah.

I mean, presumably there was a lot of attention there because the turnout was similar to the general. But this says a whole lot. And I do think people in other districts should and are nervous because that was a significant spread there, the 22 points versus other places where it was much closer, where he didn't win by that much. Or at least not by that that much.

Right. This would suggest that if you are in a Trump plus 10 district and you're running for Congress there, maybe you'll have something to worry about still, you know, 11 months. It's a long time away. All the prices could go down by then. But, you know, this is another indication that people hate this shit. It's interesting. When deflation happens.

To see. Which we love. Yeah, you know, some Democrats, some people, you know, arguing that Ben was just a little too progressive, I suppose. But, you know, that's silly because the moderate candidate didn't win there. And she overperformed could just be a sign of the times. Maybe that specific district is, you know, too conservative to ever really go for some. that identifies as progressive, but it's pretty impressive that even with being a, you know, identifying as more progressive, there's only nine points. So, uh, yeah, everyone's got opinions. I don't know. I just, I, I, whatever this happens, everyone's like, oh, it should have been a moderate. Should have been more progressive. Should have been this. Should have been this. Well, I mean, some do. Some do in certain areas. Uh, and, uh, sometimes there are lessons to be gleaned. Sometimes there aren't. Sometimes this is just how it is. and a moderate would have done very, very similarly. And the primary voters chose this person. So that's how it is. And there were going to be other districts with primaries

where there's a moderate choice and a more progressive choice. And you can browbeat progressive voters, like you have to choose the moderate for this particular election. That's not really going to be effective. So it's going to do whatever. I mean, there's this lingering fear among the moderates that Democrats, Democrat primary voters are going to do the same thing

that Republican primary voters did in a lot of places where they nominated a MAGA candidate that was way too extreme and couldn't win in a general election and Democrats are going to do that too with these progressive candidates who can't possibly win and I just don't think we've seen the evidence of that yet and when you get right down to it these progressive candidates are a lot less extreme on the left than the maggot than like

Carrie Lake was on the right and especially because they're talking about like grand platoners still polling well in Maine and uh you know afton ben's message that was very similar to what mom donnie is doing like plugging away at affordability these guys are don't really share your uh concerns they're up on the mountain top um they talk a big game but they don't really share the working class values that we have and either way, whether it's progressives or moderates, they're going to have to build a brand that is like a working class brand again, which I would argue is tougher for moderates to do because they're not that. Yeah. And I mean, you know, like you're saying like Mom Donnie sort of like gave a blueprint for a lot of things. People saying like, oh, well, she's like

one of those defund the police people and that you can't get that stink off. Mom Donnie is like a DSA member who said a lot of things about defunding the police, but he was able to reframe that and step away from the toxic slogan, I guess, and explain what it means and get people on board with the idea of, well, yeah, we've got these bloated budgets and the militarization of the police. And if we had them focus on the things they need to focus on and maybe had other, like, institutions, organizations focus on these other things that they're wasting their resources on, that would be good. That makes sense to people. So it's not like this scarlet letter of, well, in 2020, they said this.

That's just not how it is. I don't know. In 2020, Trump said a bunch of stuff. And again. And he's the president again. It does speak. Just all of this speaks to people being desperate for realness, for a change, for solutions to their real life problems.

And progressive candidates are at least speaking to people's real fear. I don't even know if we have time for this, but like the deflation thing is really interesting because politicians and the media and, of course, economists all know that deflation, when prices across the board come down, that creates a bunch of economic problems. It often results in recessions itself. We don't want that. But everyone pretends that we do and that politicians will do that when they get into office. When was the last time you saw a reporter be like, do you actually want deflation? Wouldn't that lead to? But no one does that. Everyone just pretends. And so it's no wonder that the general voting public doesn't really understand that

because everyone in front of them is pretending we're going to get your prices down. The prices are going to go down from what they are now across the board. Food and gas and all the toys and products and everything you're going to buy for Christmas, the prices are going to come down. And no one's like, that's bad because it would obviously be terrible politics to be like, actually, prices need to go up. It should be like.

Well, exactly. You can't really talk about it. You have to be like. Mike Johnson hinted at it to try to like get past this. He was like, well, listen, prices always go up. It's like, what are you talking about? We have to lie. We all lie about that.

Yeah, not like on both sides, but like in the entire realm. Because you can't say, you have to go out and say, we're gonna bring prices down because you can't go out and say we're gonna stop prices from going up so fast. Yeah.

Like, right? Like, that's what they're really saying is we're going to slow inflation. It's like an agreed upon lie essentially. Like where we're all wink wink, we know we're not actually doing that. Yes, we're gonna say that they have the lower prices button

and they're not pushing it and I'll push it. But then it'll be my problem once I'm in there. Across the board. Because you know, you can bring prices of, things down. You bring housing down.

They're like rents down. That happens. But being able to go up, but going out and saying, yeah, I'm going to bring all the, all the, all the prices are going down. Everything. You spend money on. It's all going down. Yeah.

That counterintuitively will lead to you getting fired probably. Right. Exactly. I know you know, I know it doesn't feel like it would. This is what's driven me, this whole time. Yeah, no one ever talks about that. Like, do prices come down? Do they?

Can they? They can in a certain way. Again, gas can. And in certain things, but I'm making, but in general, things get expensive. Things get more expensive. And all of these companies want to make more money, more money the next year. Each year has to show more profits than the last year. Certain times, whether you're talking about inflation or not.

There's just everything changes and it gets more expensive and I don't like it. What do you mean you're going to bring all these prices down day one? I mean, you just have to appreciate that some things. aren't like, oh, I can buy a 55-inch TV that looks really good for the same price that I paid 20 years ago for a big TV that didn't look as good. That thing is the same. And I just have to deal with the fact that if I want to go to the movies, that's like an event. Yeah. Then that's, yeah, yeah. Little rant I had to go on, I guess. Yeah, no. It was good. Jonathan's Corner. I'm glad I'm glad I

mumbled deflation and then we got those stuff for a while It triggered this like monologue in my mind I saw I saw something happen when I said that's like Are we gonna come back to that or are we skip Oh yeah I'm sure that happens where I'm just like

Oh I got a thing I got a thing I got a thing that take over this podcast For 10 minutes Well you did it and it was great We did it And so is this conclusion that I'm about to speak

I have 15 more minutes about Chris Cuomo real quick, if that's okay. Just short 15. I'm just kidding. We'll do it another time. We'll do it another time. Like, how short is this 15? It's, we're not going to do it. Fascinating Twitter account, Chris Cuomo, right now.

He just learned the term rage bait and it's all he tweets about. It's so funny. But we'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. There's plenty of time. We'll have more instances to reference by the time we get around to it. But don't worry, folks. Cody's on it.

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