Some More News - Even More News: What To Do About Graham Platner?

Episode Date: October 24, 2025

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Trump trying to make the Justice Department pay him millions of dollars, Trump demolishing the east wing of the White House, and Trump getting into a fight with America's cattle ranchers. Ooh, boy, Trump. Trump, Trump, Trump. We're so sorry. Oh, hello. Welcome back to even more news,

the first and only news podcast. My name's Katie Stoll, if I know you. Cheerio, Katie. I'm Cody, Johnston. I'm trying to balance your energy out Did it work? That was great I think so

I think that we're giving our listeners a wide range of emotions to start the episode with Welcome to the show Welcome to Katie and Cody's Wait what is it Cody and Katie Shody is Grady

There we go Katie and Cody's Shody is Grady Okay Jonathan's also here Hi Even Keel All the way through This is our neutral Jonathan I feel nothing

think. Oh, you got to feel... Feeling nothing accounts something. I got him. He's considering it. Saturday, October 25th, National Trick or Treat Day.

I'm sorry, what? We've got Halloween for a week. Wait a second. Yeah, the last Saturday of every October is National Trick or Treat Day. And sometimes it's the 31st? I mean, I guess once out of every seven-ish times, I don't know exactly how it works,

but yeah, usually just before Halloween, there's National Trick-or-Treat Day. I don't understand this at all. What do you do on Halloween? I think it's just because, you know, kids and families and stuff and not, and making sure you can tricker here on the weekends, right? Yeah. Like, do candy stuff on the weekends, even if it's...

Okay. We're talking about, like, small town, perhaps like the one I live in. All the local shops open up. You're not let... You're in L.A. right now, though. So what do you talk about? I'm in L.A. right now, but I live in a tiny mountain town. The little warm blitzer.

I've never told you that before. Oh, yeah, I made all of these. You did. All right, whatever. This one's better, though. Saturday, October 25th is also Chuckie, the notorious killer doll day. I'm going to let Jonathan read this quote, but first, I just, I need to say, Chuckie specifically ruined my life. I don't know.

It didn't ruin my life, but I saw that way too young and was so terrified and there was a big period of my childhood, and honestly, to this day, that is just afraid of small redhead children. Oh, my goodness. I mean, I did not, I did not mean to trigger you by putting this holiday here or appearing. Or like being, yeah. You're not a small redhead child. But at heart, I am.

Uh-huh. Maybe when, as children, we would not have gotten along. Katie, to clarify, it's not like a doll thing. No, I really got scared by Chuckie. And it's not a one-to-one, but then horror movies and spookies, it could be a part of it. And then I went on this trajectory, which is separate, but we can trace the line to me today where afraid of horror, afraid of dolls and spooky, creepy things. And then I started getting into Ouija boards and got really afraid of that.

My mom had to break it and burn it, our Ouija board, because I was so scared of it. Oh, you can't do that. Wouldn't that, wouldn't that anger them? Wouldn't that anger the spirits? If you burn it? It could be why to this day I'm haunted. Did you watch it get burned? I don't remember.

Yeah, maybe. Well, I'm just saying if your mom took it and said, I'm going to burn this, she probably did not. She probably just threw it away. She probably threw it away, yeah. Unless, yeah, she's showing. He's like, watch them be destroyed. Right.

And you see the spirits leave, right? You're asking me if I saw it burning. My memory, I immediately thought. of my childhood fireplace, but I don't know that I ever saw it. Anyway, little information about me and Chuckie. But the important...

Much perhaps. Yeah. No, that's enough. It's exactly the right amount. Yeah, okay. Anyway. But what's this holiday? Oh, I just really liked this article in the National Day calendar

because of the words like that clearly have to be there for... It's really incredible. So here's the third paragraph. Quote, for those who have stuck around to the third paragraph, of this article. And for those who don't know,

Chucky is a creepy horror flick staple of the 1980s involving a doll. His full name is Charles Lee Ray, but prefers Chuckie for short. After being shot in real life, Chuckie enters two soul of a cute doll. And the film and the franchise is called Child's Play. It's not called Chuckie. Whatever. That's just a me thing. I'm like, ah, it's called Child's Play. But also, listen, folks, you're on Word 200 of this shit. you're still reading here's what Chuckie is if you don't know you idiots yeah it's weird also

like after that third paragraph after the fourth one after the fifth one and the sixth one they suggest movie watching treats and the first one is child's play popcorn it's the only time they use the phrase child's play in the entire article

do they say what that is I think it's just popcorn child's play popcorn it's just child's play popcorn and then they suggest bride of chucky corn with razor blades. Pump and spawn of Chucky Seeds. What?

I sympathize with the person, because this is not chat GPT, a person wrote this. And that's the kind of stuff I had to write way back in the late aughts early 2010s when it's like, listen, to get indexed in Google, it's got to have 300 words. And then I'd say, but I'm putting together a page about ketchup. How much you have to write 200 words. It's a ketchup is a tomato-based condiment. Can't plagiarize Wikipedia, so I have to change up the words a little bit. But that's what it is.

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old oyster farmer from Maine. He is running as a Democrat for U.S. Senate. He wants to unseat Susan Collins in the midterms next year. His early campaign videos got a lot of attention. He's the progressive voice in this race. Bernie Sanders has endorsed him, all that stuff. He was on the fighting oligarchi tour. Yes. Yeah, he went with Bernie on a few of those stops. He's like in this group. However, first CNN got a hold of some old, deleted Reddit posts from 2013 to 2020. 21. He appeared to victim blame people who'd been sexually assaulted, dismissed concerns about sexual assault in the military, called himself a communist, said white manors were racist and stupid, among some other things. He disavowed those comments, said he no longer agrees with them, internet comments. Okay. Then the tattoo came out. There is a video of Platner singing shirtless at a wedding where a tattoo is visible, which I would argue strongly. resembles, if not is identical to a skull and crossbones that were the insignia of the Nazi's third SS Panzer Division, aka Totenkov. Platner says he got the tattoo as a young

Marine in Croatian 2007 while drunk with his buddies. He only recently, he says, found out about its Nazi affiliations and has already had the tattoo covered with some Celtic imagery. Is that what it is? It's like a Celtic knot and then like a wolf or something like that. that um which is a funny thing to choose to cover up it looks to me like a like a game of thrones crest or something like that uh yeah it's just a celtic knot it's just yeah with uh it's it's all it's extra funny to me just because uh well a if you want to like cover up your nazi tattoo like make it even more neutral probably but it's not fully covered up you can kind of see like the end of the uh the bones uh seems very haphazard well i don't know much about

tattoo covering and how that works in general I don't know how much it's possible to completely erase it I was at first glance I did not see the Tottenkopf in there again so anyway the left is very divided over this stick with him he's not a Nazi he's never said any Nazi stuff support him or come on it's a Nazi tattoo he's got to go there are other candidates in this race and the most notable one is current main governor Janet Mills, 77, much more moderate, criticized Portland, Maine for divesting from Israel and things of this nature. She would be the oldest freshman senator ever. There's a lot of opinions on this. There's a lot of valid opinions on this, by the way. And it's hard to know. It's hard. I could

see arguments on both sides. I have a feeling I know where you guys land. And I think that I'm kind of in the middle on this. There are a wide range of reactions, as you stated. Some people are saying we need to not subject our side to purity tests the way we have. There's a real conversation about welcoming people in, reaching different demographics of people, having more working class politicians, people that represent those demographics. And then there is just the reality of we sit here and spend a lot of time talking about authoritarianism, about, blatant nazism within the conservative party and it feels very frustrating to have a candidate who is progressive and is needed in this region who also literally has a Nazi tattoo on his chest I listened to his interview with Tommy Veter this week and it was interesting I had many

different thoughts to hear his side of it. He has laid out how he's, you know, coming back from his time in service, how he was suffering from severe PTSD, how he didn't have access to care, eventually got it. But this was a really dark time in his life when he was posting a bunch. There's that explanation for the intense posts that he has online. But the tattoo, he has claimed he didn't know what it was. And if you look at all of his posts, out of all of his online posts, nothing was Nazi-ish. And I think that that's true. But it's complicated.

I think it's a tough position for some people to be in and less tough for others and it's less complicated for others, which I understand too. We here have talked about the ability and importance of allowing growth for people, evolution. We get messages a lot of like, I was in the right wing pipeline. and I saw this video and now I'm out and that sort of thing. And we, I think we want to encourage that kind of growth and ability to denounce, renounce your, like, these past views. And, you know, there's some rough posts, but also there's this element I see of people

sort of taking other candidates that, like, have been claimed to be, like, oh, you're purity testing this person, but not this person. Um, or like, you know, they, you know, uh, this behavior is okay, but this isn't okay. And I think one difference is that with a lot of, I guess, you know, people have brought like Buttigieg or like, uh, Kamala Harris and stuff, like changing their minds. Like they didn't change their minds or like say they were wrong about X or why, really. That's not really the same thing. I've heard Plattener talk about this and he does seem.

to be growing in this way, but it is a pretty, I find, I am, I remain skeptical about how much he knew about this tattoo because it was on him for about 18 years, and that's a long time to not know, especially if you're running for Senate of like America, uh, it's a little unbelievable. Um, and I also find it, I just find it hard to square some of the things and some of it's like politician talk, but him, I understand Jonathan's saying it resembles this Nazi symbol because we only have this sort of grainy video. But when he says it resembles this, then I'm like, but it's probably it is that. And I find it hard, a little hard to square the fact that he apparently knew about it for at least like the past couple of weeks. For the past few weeks,

he's been hearing about it and he knew about it and has said like, oh, I plan on getting it removed. And then when this story dropped, he's like, I couldn't stand another minute of it being on me. So I had to cover it up. But you knew about it for a few weeks at least. So it's just that kind of... According to one anonymous source potentially as early as 12. According to the

anonymous source, potentially. So I would say the truth is probably somewhere in the middle of possibilities. By all accounts, you know, you talk to other service members and that is certainly a believable thing to happen is to be, you

be, you know, drinking with, you know, your buddies and getting an aggressive tattoo on your chest. It's a very military thing to do, skull, crossbones, whatever. I could see a world where he picked something. It's not like it says Nazi on it, but we know what the imaging symbolizes. But yeah, over the course of 18 years, you've probably realized what it was. That doesn't mean that that was his intention to get that in the first place. it potentially yeah no i mean i find i find it uh generally believable that like yeah you got a drunken tattoo and you're in the military then there's also the conversation about like okay but you're it when you're in the military doing these things there is that culture how much of that culture

are you a part of we know that there are a lot of unsavory uh opinions and people who uh are in the military um i've seen some of his posts also talking about his military time that are a little like don't love how much you loved it um and joining Blackwater in 2018 is a bit odd as well. For someone who protested stuff that George W. Bush

was doing way back when, it would feel to be an odd fit, and then he says he was disgusted after a year and left. Right, but then there's posts about when he was doing patrol and Abu Ghraib after the torture stuff, not during, but patrolling that and talk about

how he loved that and stuff. And it's just this, it's a, there's some conflicting stuff there that pings me a little bit but you got a drunk tattoo that you thought looked cool okay I just wanted to point out the are we the baddies

gif that we all know it's right there it's right on there I do think we should consider why so many tattoos that are considered like U.S. military compliant tattoos

might so closely resemble Nazi tattoos. Right. And what that really says about what we're doing out in the world. About our military, doing these, yeah. Yeah, separate issue. When we're in, he's not talking about going and being in Fallujah and all this sort of stuff. It's like, okay, well. Right. But like, I keep coming back to, like, none of the three of us live in Maine, so we don't have, we're not voting in this primary. We don't have to make this, uh, choice. From a practical standpoint, because I can't help myself, uh, I keep coming back. back to like, well, who has a chance of beating Susan Collins? I don't think Janet. Mills does.

She's at 43% approval and she's the governor right now. And Susan Collins, she always seems to win. Sarah Gideon outspent her two to one in 2020 and was up in all these polls and then lost by nine to Susan Collins. And is this too much for him to bear? Even if we, because I also don't feel like I am qualified to weigh in on his qualities as a person. Because all I know are the videos that I started seeing a month or two ago and all this stuff now and this slow slow release of things which obviously my impulse is it's a Nazi tattoo what are we talking about and then but yes people can grow all of these nuance he's never said anything publicly that's been Naziish so okay and we have a lot of his posts yeah to see that where presumably on a Reddit thread and all these things you would

have but like yeah but nevertheless it's does it feel like it's already too much like he'll lose to Susan Collins, right? I don't know. Well, that's the thing. That's the question. And that's sort of what I want, yeah, I want to talk about too. It's like, I don't know. It could be like, of course not.

Or it could be like he's saying these things that people, that resonate with people. And he's got the aesthetics, which I think is a lot of, a lot of the people gravitating towards him is like, well, you're saying the right things and you're fighting the oligarchy, all this sort of stuff. And you have the aesthetics of somebody who's like, out. inside the system, which is what the Democrats in general have been craving or needing for a long time. Yeah. And if you have, you know, like center left people are always like, oh, don't purity test this person

because they're going to moderate on abortion or moderate on trans rights and things. And they're very against purity testing here or there, but not necessarily here. But then, Jonathan, your point, okay, but this is like a Nazi tattoo. So, you know, what do you, like optically, what do you, yeah? Yeah, we don't know. We don't know. We don't. We're not from Maine. He's polling really well. People are really responding. And again, to what he's saying. And again, this, that's encouraging because where we see these progressive candidates pop up around the country, you see a groundswell of support. And the benefit of somebody like that is, yeah, he represents a different type of figure that does seem to resonate, especially. in that community. Okay, so there's that. I want to say, and I'm speaking a little off the cuff here, very off the cuff.

I'm always speaking off the cuff. Some of your, I understand your reservations, Cody, about some of these posts. Again, he has said that this was a period of time where he was having a lot of, he was suffering, you know, post service. And, you know, shit posting, essentially posting a lot of stuff, saying, he would say now, or he does say now, that don't read too much into any of it because he was, you know, just really online and in those forums. I think that it's fair to criticize the love of his military service and to be taken aback by that. I also imagine that that's what he knows. And that's what he grew up doing for, you know, from a young man.

the GI Bill paid for his education and everything. He's a military person. And when you come back from what I understand, when you come back from service, it's really difficult to find your place in society. And that's your camaraderie. There's a lot that I can't relate to, but I can try to imagine and empathize with.

Maybe it's crazy that he loves his military service, whatever. But it's its own thing that I can't relate to, so I can't really judge that hard. I guess because I don't know what his experience was. Same thing with Blackwater. Hate that, but you come back and we hear this story over and over again where people don't know what they're supposed to do in society when you have been trained for one thing. And I want to bring it back to we love, I want more people that have served in our military to be able to say, I'm trying to protect the country that I grew up knowing and this country does not resemble that. enough is enough

I think that that's an important part of our movement and we have to have the conversation yeah what's the line how much do you tolerate you know like I'm not going to agree with everything this person says and the last thing I'll say is that yes there's been a lot of talk online comparing him with our support of John Fetterman and how that ended up abiding us

in a butt kind of down the line and I think that's a fair better than odds I have no idea but right better than odds probably that was a primary situation too right so but in this situation you're like it's and it's important to note that be like okay but didn't really work out the way we all wanted it to um but still you're broadening your reach of types of people that are in our coalition and sooner or later we we've got to bring more people in anyway but again i i don't live in maine and i would have a tough time making this choice as well i just

yeah um some counterpoints to this conversation understand yeah i think uh i'm you know i'm i'm i'm uh skeptical of a lot of the sort of uh cynical centrist uh takes about this um even even people like well you know like what if there's going to be like a republican with a like a nazi tattoo at some point and then what are you going to do well then i'll say that they're trying to run in the american nazi party uh so it lines up a bit more and like there is more room for doubt I guess in this situation but I am also remaining skeptical of this guy who just showed up a couple months ago we got nine months of a primary I don't know yeah and I think the the Federman element it's unclear because he doesn't seem to have some of the red flags although we didn't see them at the time but also you know he didn't want to see him at the time too a working class vibe that he pushes forward but apparently he grew up pretty well off his grandfather has a

Wikipedia page for being a famous architect and designer made that chair right yeah the the platinum chair let's let's show the platinum chair there you see it we all we all know these chairs so like i'm not saying doesn't look like a working class chair he is an oyster farmer now it's not like made up but i think it speaks to regardless of what happens with him um i don't know how the people of maine will actually react to this

and i you know uh who knows but i think it does speak to and his current popularity from the poll that was kind of during this as it came out and who knows what else would come out uh it does speak to what the temic Party needs, which is the most bummer of a thing about this, where it's like, yeah, you have a aesthetically working class person who can speak like a human being to people and has very,

you know, these progressive left-wing positions is something that we do need to have and that is effective. Just check your tattoos first, folks. Check your tattoos first. I don't love the idea of like, well, I was just young and dumb and I didn't know for 18 years. That shows a little bit of a lack of care. Well, that's sort of what I was even saying like the cover covering. I was like, well, wait, so you knew for a few weeks and you wanted to get it removed, but you realized it would take a long time. And then when this news dropped, you like frantically went like a Celtic knot with a dog. And it kind of covers it up mostly.

And, you know, you want to be a senator. Take a little time. I don't know. Well, because also I want to know, I just want to note, like, you know, we're talking about this and there is this aesthetic thing. There's we've talked about it all. But like, you know, Janet Mills earlier this year is allowing police to cooperate with ICE and didn't sign that there's this bill to restrict that cooperation. So it's just like, okay. So Janet Mills is kind of supporting this like, like, well not a little Nazi thug group at the same time as this is happening so it's it's uh the Democratic party is not doing well I guess is really the point and um anything they have right now is because how a how unpopular Trump is and we've really got to have an answer we've got to have more of a response rather than Trump bad he is and it doesn't I don't want to like downplay how bad because everything is so bad we can't even cover all of it he's talking right now he's talking now as we're speaking and saying things that are that we have to talk about

you know exactly and so much of yeah the push against uh all these progressive candidates is is about their policy it seems and like it would be it would be nice if while they're like we this is we got to like we got to uh get a different candidate all the sort of stuff if they were also saying who's similar who has similar politics and uh but they're not doing that And, like, that's why to see the reaction to Zoran Mamdani and the reaction to Graham Platner and the things that they are saying and using a message that previously Bernie Sanders was, like, holding the flag of is very encouraging. So it's just a bummer.

And, yeah, they're fine, you know, rallying around Cuomo, who literally does sexually harass people and do all these sort of things and, you know. So this is not a surprise. Politico got its hands on more racist texts, this time from Paul Ingracia, who is a 30-year-old lawyer, who's the current White House liaison to the Department of Homeland Security and was Trump's nominee or a Trump nominee to the Office of Special Counsel. He withdrew from his confirmation hearing, although his tweet didn't say I'm withdrawing from the nomination, whatever.

Just the hearing part? Yeah, I think he withdrew. Because I don't want to talk about it. I think he withdrew and just didn't use the language you would want to hear. but in well he saves his like real language for the texts right yes in these texts he said things like that martin luther king junior day should be tossed in the seventh circle of hell and he said he had a nazi streak um which is a much more direct way of saying you're a nazi than uh getting a tattoo a few decades ago be that as it may we have known a lot about this guy and some of his

tweets for a long time before any of this happened he tweeted that january 6 should be a national holiday and called it a peaceful protest against a great injustice affecting our electoral system. He thinks everything is a sci-op, including October 7th and Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey's relationship. The Taylor Swift one called me. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? Glad he cares about that. And in December 2023, as you'll remember as long time ago, he tweeted that, quote, exceptional white men are not only the builders of Western civilization, but are the ones most capable of appreciating the fruits of our heritage. So not a surprise to see.

Not a surprise, but it's interesting how much less space this conversation takes up because it's not a surprise. Also, just fun. Just this year, 49 Trump nominees have had their nominations withdrawn. I'm only saying that because one of the criticisms in the Platner conversation is people saying like, Why can't Dems vet better? And it's like, come on. The other side doesn't do shit or they vet and they don't care. There's a little bit of that for me where it's like, it doesn't matter to anybody.

At least on that side, you just do it. I have some concerns that the Democratic Party will not support our more progressive candidates that might be problematic and throw them under the bus. But the other side, they just go full hog. It doesn't matter that they have. that they're obviously racist well because that's the that's the sort of question too is like this is a call conversation like wokeness is dead and we're doing this and you can do whatever and say whatever it's like okay they can does that even apply to a democrat um because also democrats tend to whole try they're not you know like because of the values of the left

tend to try to apply, you know, a little more accountability to people. Not necessarily in the party because, as we said, the party's not doing so great, but we don't even know if any of this applies to the other party. We just know it applies to the current party in power who destroyed all of these, like, social norms and... Yeah, like the double standard exists and it's a little bit self-imposed because we have standards. There's a bit of a level of conduct we expect from you if you're going to be a public servant, public servant, if you're going to be a U.S. senator. And that is just not expected. Or there's different qualifications, different criteria. And I mean, we can either throw out that standard or

we can just accept that we have a different standard and, you know, we're playing the game with more injuries, but we just have to do it, right? And it applies differently to even within the party, right? Like, there are things that you can't say that, you can't say that, but you can say that, like, it's not a genocide. You can, like, support, like, all this pretty awful stuff. Lake and Riley Act comes to mind. There are things that are acceptable, even though they shouldn't be. And then it's, yeah, it's very conditional. You know, everybody just wants their people who reflect what they think to be in power.

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Speaking of how during all this the president's doing a bunch of shit that sucks and like saying a bunch of stuff that sucks let's talk about all the some of not all of it

some of the stuff he's doing and saying we'll start with one from a few days ago actually this is a clip I'm going to play that he said last week and I just think the way this developed is so funny So a week ago, Trump is taking questions as he does. He's just talking. He's saying stuff.

And then he said something kind of weird that didn't make a ton of sense. This is October 15th. Here's what he said. They raided my house in Florida. It was an illegal raid. I have a lawsuit that was doing very well. And when I became president, I said, I'm sort of suing myself. I don't know.

Had he settled the lawsuit, I'll say, give me X dollars, right? And I don't know what to do with the lawsuit. It's a great lawsuit. And now I won. It sort of looks bad. I'm suing myself. right so i don't know but but that was a lawsuit that was very strong very powerful they raided illegally my house in florida marilago very strong very powerful lawsuit he said so much other stuff

there that like no one really thought twice about that but the new york times was like what's he talking about there um and so they found out through uh quote unquote people familiar with the matter as they tend to do Trump is demanding that the Justice Department pay him $230 million as restitution for the federal investigations

into all those crimes he did for so many years which he seems to be even acknowledging a bit sheepishly is like it looks kind of bad I'm suing myself well no you're not suing yourself you're suing all of us really

so you know this would be the most blatant corruption in He's pretty wild He wants us He wants us to He wants us to give him money

He wants our money I It would be funny if he used That money to do the White House renovations Which we'll get to I was just gonna say He's got to pay for the White House renovations He claims that he would donate it or whatever

But I don't know that he was called out on it Because they brought it up again Once this story came out And he said I was damaged very greatly in any money I would get I would give to charity. I'm the one that makes the decision and that decision would have to go across my desk and it's awfully strange to make a decision where I'm paying myself, which is really wild for him to say because it is really his cronies. This is not really a Trump decision. If you're going to settle some lawsuit, who knows

if it's even been filed or whatever. But yeah, Todd Blanche, the deputy attorney general would make the decision of like, okay, we're going to settle with the president and give him money but now he says i can make the decision to just take taxpayer money if i want but i'd give it to charity and saying out loud quote it's awfully strange it is it is awfully strange also to just say it like that like i would give it to charity what what what as if like obviously what are you talking about just you just want the money the money from the country and he's like i'm making money handover fist from crypto and these people i'm pardoning uh which we can talk about but like it's it's yeah he doesn't need the money he's the

president it's so completely absurd i like i love in this new york times article they you know wanted to call up a law professor to get the ethical implications of this that law professor Bennett L. Gershman, or an ethics professor at Pace University, said, what a travesty. The ethical conflict is just so basic and fundamental. You don't need a law professor to explain it. It's like, why are you calling me? But could you, sir? They're like, well, yeah, he's the president. It's bizarre and almost too outlandish to believe. Well, the president agrees with you. He thinks it's awfully strange. Yeah. Real quick, we can get to the White House stuff. Just I alluded to this earlier. Trump today pardoned the founder of Binance who pled guilty to crimes to enable money laundering

while CEO of Binance, but now Binance has been like instrumental in helping set up Trump's crypto empire for which he's making billions. And so today Trump pardoned him. No one seems to care. So why literally, why wouldn't you? I could do it. I'm allowed to do Well, I know why, like, I wouldn't. Why wouldn't he, I guess, is the question. Let me play this clip that we haven't watched yet because this happened while we were recording, but it is about this very thing. And he doesn't seem to know that he did it. Maybe. Who knows? The founder of Binance. Can you explain why you chose to pardon him and did it have anything to do with his involvement in your family's? Which one? Who is that? The founder of Binance. He has an involvement in your own family's cryptob business.

I believe we're talking about the same birthday, because I do part in a lot of people. I don't know he was recommended by a lot of people. A lot of people say that, are you talking about the crypto person? A lot of people say that he wasn't guilty of anything. He served four months in jail, and they say that he was not guilty of anything that what he did. You don't know much about crypto. You know nothing about. He pled guilty.

He know nothing about nothing, you have fake news. You don't know. He was somebody. I hate him so much. I don't believe I've ever met him. But I've been told by a lot of support. He had a lot of support. And they said that what he did is not even a crime.

It wasn't a crime that he was persecuted by the Biden administration. And so I gave him a pardon at the request of a lot of very good people. One, the president shouldn't admit that he doesn't know who the people are that he's pardoning. Right? He should be like. This guy didn't do anything, blah, blah, blah. He pled guilty. Also, he's clearly flailing here and doesn't know what to say, and you can tell that because

he's like, Caitlin Collins, you piece of shit. You fucking, you suck at this. You're fake news, right? He just goes all in on that. You don't know a dick about shit. The case against Binance accused of the company of failing to report over 100,000 suspicious transactions, I'm quoting the Guardian here, suspicious transactions to law enforcement, including those involving U.S. designated terrorist groups, such as Al-Qaeda.

and Hamas. They were laundering al-Qaeda crypto knowingly. So I guess are we allowed to now call Trump a terrorist supporting, like, criminal? I don't know. It's interesting how he could dance through all these to chew. It's interesting. We talk about all the time, the hypocrisy. Yeah, he's a dancer.

He's a professional. Yeah, you probably could say that he's terrorist supporting. I mean, all sorts of things. I am. Ties, financial and otherwise, that are shady. I can't believe he, I mean, obviously, I can believe it, but him being like, and he wasn't even guilty, but he pled guilty. What do you mean?

What do you mean? How did he get convicted? Well, that was fun. That was fun. What else we got, Jonathan? What are we going to talk about? I mean, okay, I don't want anyone to think that I'm super sentimental about the White House. I've seen it once from afar.

It's like, oh, man, there it is. I got to catch a flight. I had like an hour between the thing I was there to do in the flight so I want to see the White House

there it is so I'm not very emotionally attached to it but I was pretty startled seeing these photos of the East Wing

being completely demolished it just felt to me I guess I thought he couldn't do that right? I guess it just felt like he shouldn't

be able to just do that it helps that the government shut down yes but apparently he can according to plans are supposed to be approved

from what I understand but you might be reservations yeah you might be you might be seeing uh people sharing like well Obama did this actually look at this clip of them doing this exact thing well it's not the exact same thing and they got a for it wasn't demolished and I'm pretty sure it was for like like updating like pipes and stuff um that they needed to upgrade so not the same thing to put up his ballroom. Exactly. I do find it, I mean, obviously, symbolically a little rough to see our American fascist president demolish something that FDR built is a little, it's a little much. But again, I'm not sentimental about it. And I do understand that there are reasons for this. You're hosting

state dinners. You're doing this instead of putting up tents or whatever. You want to have like a dedicated space that's big enough to do that but that's not why he's doing it he wants to live at mara lago he misses mara logo he wants he's just it's an ego boost he wants to put he wants to put his mark on the white house he wants to like leave this sort of legacy it's all about him no cody he's gonna he's gonna build it it's gonna be done like right before he you know he's gonna use it once and then leave and then he'll leave right january 2029 this thing's gonna take forever to build Surely. Yeah, it's absurd. He clearly just wants to live there now and turn the White House into Mar-a-Lago that he misses greatly. His best friend used to hang out with him all the time there. But sadly, he passed away. That is sad. That is really hard. I'm sure that's really hard for Trump to be navigating all of his high crimes and presidency without his best friend by the time.

It's just, it's frustrating because it's like one of those things like, I don't want to be like, my precious East Wing is being turned into this, but also like, fuck this guy. He's not doing it for reasons other than him. And he wants to make everything gold and live there forever until he dies. As the president in three to nine years or whatever, it's so obvious and transparent. Bannon was on a podcast recently saying like, yeah, we're looking into it legally. how to have him run in 2028. It's not, it's not, it's not a pretend little joke. No, they're going to try. He's going to try. I'm not as, I don't know if we're talking about this. I'm, obviously anything could happen. I think he's going to file paperwork to run again.

They're going to say, you can't do that. He's going to sue. The district court will say it's illegal. The appellate court will say it's illegal. And he's really banking on that Supreme Court. I still, I don't know why I have. any confidence of these people. I mean, I think they might say, like, we're not going to take up this case. And then at that point, Vance and the folks will try to convince him. Your legacy is secure. You're the best Republican president ever. You can even do when you're done being president. You can still do your little press conferences. Remember when Biden was president and he would host foreign dignitaries and pretend to be the president? He can still do that. You can do that. And then it's just a coin flip as to whether he does that or decides like, no, I'm going to.

going to do the thing where I say we're at a war and try to cancel elections. I don't know how well that'll work out for him because states run their own elections. I've thought a lot about this. Yeah. I don't. I agree with you. I think that that's kind of how it plays out. Van as well, it's right there. And you can play this back. The second the Supreme Court's like, well, yeah, they meant consecutively, you dang bats. As soon as that happens, I'll be like, all right, I, who, who, but again, if that's true, Obama. Obama's going to be like, well, I don't think it's time for the you know yeah no he he would be like well i disagree and i think we shouldn't do that and yeah but like and i'm not even like being like i want a bomb i'd be president again but

he would win oh i mean well that's the other thing if trump is allowed to run come on i mean he's no that's why that's why i brought it up where it's like okay so if trump is allowed to run because it's like non-consecutive then okay yeah well i mean i've said this a bunch he he was elected because of sandwich $18 and they thought he would push the sandwich $12 button that exists. He didn't push the sandwich $12 button so people don't like him anymore. But he might

push the war with Venezuela button which will... I mean, George W. Bush and that crowd put in some work. They put in like 18 months of work to try to convince people to go to war in Iraq and they convinced the majority of people. No one knows what

the Venezuela thing is. Trump just said at this little Roundtable. Narco-terrorists. That's all you got to say, though. He said, I don't think we're necessarily going to ask for a declaration of war. I think we're just going to kill people that are bringing drugs into our country. We're going to kill them.

They're going to be, like, dead. I think it's better. Wait, we read that. That's how you get into, like, heaven. Yeah. Just killing people. Do you want to hear him say that? No, I don't think I do.

All right. I think I would be too mad. I'm horrified, but I don't want to get mad, too. That's so fucked up. why do he like so he's like well we could do war but like maybe we just fucking kill that's so messed up he's trying to start a war obviously he is and you say like oh 18 months he's got three years to make this case he's got

that is why this keeps happening i mean another boat got blown up yesterday in the pacific ocean he clearly i mean again the government shut down he clearly doesn't care about asking congress for permission to do anything no doesn't he's just going to keep doing this and to your point of most americans are like what what's going on in venezuela give it time this just started and it's happening very consistently it will continue to happen this will continue to escalate within the next year i doubt that i think most americans will know exactly what is going on or they'll know exactly what he wants them to think is going on

Yeah. I hope that there is a big movement that protests the war. I hope it's not just kings we don't like. And I hope it's wars that we also don't like. I hope maybe 8 million next time, 8 million people. Speaking of burger $20, Trump wants to bring down the price of beef because Americans don't like expensive beef. Beef is so expensive because of drought and there's various issues with our cattle supply in this country and then the tariffs on Brazil don't help so what he wants to do is import beef from Argentina

to lower prices because we're like just best buddies with Argentina we give them money maybe they give us beef $40 billion of money yeah and this is very much upsetting America's cattle ranchers as it should because

this will put them in even more of a bind You know, the U.S. Cattlemen's Association, the National Cattlemen's Beef Association, as you would expect, very upset about this. I've got a lot more to learn about this situation, but just the bit that I do, it's so much more complicated and fucked up than I ever knew. It's one of those things where I go about my life. We all go about our lives and never think about where our food comes from. But our cattle ranchers and farmers are really fucking struggling, and he is making it so much worse. across the board, soybeans, just we're decimating our agriculture section. But in terms of this, what's crazy is there is such a lot of consolidation of the meat

processing factories that has been happening. There's basically four companies that own them. It's squeezing the life out of our small ranchers. And interestingly, two of the four big meat processing. facilities are owned by Brazilian companies and just in general our American farmers are getting so fucked over and then to say this okay so he's trying to bring down the cost of beef for the average American okay but meanwhile our cattle ranchers between tariffs and all of this stuff their profits are just tanking, like, I don't have the number in front of me, but they are

closing left and right, like going out of business. This is a big deal problem, and it seems to fly in the face of everything that he's talking about with implementing all these tariffs in terms of bringing business back to America. And these are people that voted for him. It's a big deal. It's a very big deal. And I do think that these are the kinds of things that start to matter over time. When you're like, why aren't people paying attention? It's like, well, No, he's not falling through on any promises and he's going out of his way to fuck him. And it's not going over well.

I think Tommy Loren was particularly upset about it. Oh, yeah. He was secretly the Catal Eats My Face Party. And it is, you know, good that people are seeing. It's just like, all those moments like, see that he's a fraud in this situation and maybe apply it to everything else. But some of the horrible stuff he's doing.

doing they like is the problem right like so like okay Tommy Loren is upset about this one thing but she loves what ICE is doing she loves the bombing the quote unquote narco terrorists um you know what we should do we should ban lab grown meat also right at the same time so um no meat for anybody what Colin Woodall the CEO of the national cattleman's beef association also pointed out is that Argentina has a history of foot and mouth disease, which if brought to the U.S., he says, could decimate our domestic livestock production, which sounds, again, not an expert in any of that, doesn't sound great. And then after the cattle ranchers and the cattle ranch associations expressed their discontent, Trump reprimanded them. In Truth Social, he wrote, the cattle ranchers,

who I love, don't understand that the only reason they are doing so well for the first time in decades is because I put tariffs on cattle coming into the United States, including a 50% tariff on Brazil. If it weren't for me, they would be doing just as they've done for the past 20 years. Terrible. It would be nice if they would understand that, but also, they also have to get their prices down because the consumer is a very big factor in my thinking also. And then five minutes later, he said, he posted, in addition to everything else, tariffs

on other countries saved our cattle ranchers, which he had just said in his pride, post. So not only are they stupid and don't know what they're talking about, but they should just lower their prices, right? You're just trying to fuck over your cattle renters. You're trying to give a semblance to the average voter that beef prices are down without understanding the long-term effects on or understanding and not caring on your own country. The reason our cattle supply is so low is because of drought, which is at least partially because of climate.

change and climate change isn't stopping and a lot of our meat comes from Brazil regardless of when the tariffs are on or off and so this is as cheap as beef is going to be going forward like the climate change is not going to make the cattle easier to live on land or to feed because the cost of feed goes way up like this is you know this is kind of why uh we shouldn't ban lab grown meat seems like that would be amazing um you know i'm not saying in 10 years we're all going to be forced to be vegans although that would solve some of the problem but i you know whatever i like a burger so we're not going to do that uh but it's not it's not great yeah maybe we think ahead a little bit and for for once and uh all right folks we've done it have you guys liked have you guys

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