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Episode Date: October 17, 2025

Hi. In today's episode, Katy, Cody, and Jonathan talk about the Young Republicans' racist group chat, the Trump administration's illegal bombing of boats near Venezuela, the weaponization of the IRS, and Marjorie Taylor Greene's maybe/probably not/she's still awful pivot.As always, we recorded right before that big thing that happened.PATREON: https://patreon.com/somemorenewsMERCH: https://shop.somemorenews.com#RacistRepublicans #MTG #evenmorenews Pluto TV. Stream Now. Pay Never.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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My name is Katie Stoll, I think. Mine too. Fuck! I never, I always do that wrong. I'm Cody. Johnston. Hello. So one of these days I'm going to get it right.

Don't worry. Jonathan is also here. Hi. Twice a week, actually. Twice a week I get a shot. Yeah, you get a shot. You get unlimited shots. Someday you'll get your name right.

Jonathan always knows his name. I mean, I never have to say it, so. How's everybody doing? Good? Taking tips of coffee? Taking tips of coffee. Scrunching my face up, looking concerned or stern or something. I'm good.

We're good. Everyone's good. How are you? I'm good. Trying to decide if I should send back my snow costume or not. You should ask the internet. If we're not cutting this, we're going to put a picture in right now. Chime in on whether the snow leopard is too much or just right. If yes, leave a thumbs up on the video.

If no, leave a thumbs up on the video. Either way, that's how you vote. Well, for those of you listening, it is a ski outfit that it looks like a full body snow leopard but if you heard katie say snow costume you might think that for Halloween she's dressing up as snow white or the thing snow or the 90s rapper snow or snow or snow leopard this is all this is a really good important i could go as snow no i'm going to be informed from shrek this year but no no no no this is some vernacular we all need to get on the same page about winter is coming i will be talking about this a lot my snow costume is what i call

my like my snow suit my snow gear where to go skiing and uh this particular costume snow leopard costume is an air blaster fit and it was on deep sail and it was the last one in my size so when you're casting your judgment know that it was very cheap and the last one in my size which makes it special and also yeah it's a big swing i've only been skiing for one year who the fuck do i think i am that's the kind of outfit that's just asking for attention and if you if you're doing pizza down the mountain that's a little embarrassing anyway what does that mean but you love attention you can enjoy it i do love attention that's the thing yeah so like what's the problem well it just feels a little bit like this person cares more about well their costume than the sport but i care about the sport uh pizzaing i assume is when like your your skis are like in a triangle and like pointed at each other, which is like a beginner level, how you stop. That's when you're learning how to ski. That's what pizzaing down the mountain refers to?

Yeah. And then you like, but I don't do that anymore. I've outgrown the pizza, I think. Anyway. Do you still say Mamma Mia when you're doing it? I said, Mama Mia. That says spicy run. Mm-hmm.

We've got holidays, folks. Ooh. Friday, October 17th is National Edge Day. The edges of your skis. Oh. no it's not what everybody's thinking it's not about edging get your fucking minds out of the gutter everybody listening well what is it about it's about being straight edge so really the opposite of you perverts in the comments why would they name it edge day it's a commitment to living

free from alcohol tobacco and recreational drugs straight edge they should call it straight edge day but maybe they're trying to trick people into celebrating like edge day Ooh, like, oh, straight-edge day. I mean, there's nothing in the straight-edge lifestyle that says you can't do other kinds of edging. That's true. That's true. Like with your skis. You got to find your edges if you're going to do a good turn and not rely on your pizza.

Yeah, we're talking about skiing. Also, pizza needs good edges. Also, skiing can mean doing Coca-Cola. Not Coca-Cola, cocaine. Skiing could mean doing cocaine, yeah. So we came full circle. Ah, sad. Celebrate however you want.

Sorry for this next one. Uh, Saturday, October 18th, National No Beard Day. I'm sorry, gentlemen, you're going to have to stay inside on Saturday. Whoa. I'm out. For the, for people listening, Cody's put his hand over the camera. Imagine if I had no beard when I removed my hand. Just like I know what you look like without a beard.

That's true. Weird. It grows back fast. It does. No, you look nice without a beard. Thank you so much. I'm in that way where it's like, oh, it's weird. You suddenly don't have a beard.

But I look like a normal. Like a normal man. Sometimes I think it's discombobulating when someone that you've gotten to know with a beard and shaves the beard with some edges, sharp edges. It can be jarring. But your face works both ways. Thank you so much. I can't speak to you.

I can't speak to it. Face simply doesn't work any other way. So I will not be celebrating this. I wonder if you're going to see at No Kings Day on Saturday, October. 18th fewer beards than you did at the previous for in honor of no beards I'll consult the database

you'll see a lot of five o'clock shadows is my prediction can I can I may I just we've edged the news enough and now we're going to get to the big show okay so how about those young Republicans you know there's there's Republicans they're not all 80 year old Mitch McConnell's

there's a lot of like young vibrant Republicans and and they know how to do like tech stuff so they're in like telegram chats and what have you and Politico got their hands on 2,900 pages of a telegram chat between leaders of young Republican

chapters and a bunch of the chats in there are very racist. You might be shocked to learn. How young are we talking about? That isn't that up to me. Between the ages in this chat of 24 and 35.

Oh, so full grown adults. This is a group chat that was put together by a guy Peter Junta, who was running to be the chairman, like the larger national young Republican group. He was a candidate for chairman of the Young Republican National Federation. He's a guy that wrote that everyone who votes no, i.e. against him, is going to the gas chamber. He referred to an NBA playoff game. He said, I'd go to the zoo if I wanted to watch monkeys play ball. he is also the guy who threw an I love Hitler in here

playfully as you do One of those jokes Lots of stuff in here The F slur R word and N word Appear to combine 251 times In this chat Honestly, that seems low To what I would expect

2,900 pages over a series of months Whatever it is So this leaked And it seems to be part of an internal feud Among young Republicans Right someone was trying to sink Peter Junta's candidacy and it probably has done that.

He has lost his job as the chief of staff for New York Assemblyman Michael Riley. A lot of the other people in here have been fired and most Republicans have condemned this, including Representative Elise DeFonick, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, and many others. And then there's people who had a different opinion.

So here's what J.D. Vance had to say. Oh, this fucking guy again. Great. What did he have to say? He says this is, and he's referring to something else that we'll talk about, this is far worse than anything said in a college group chat and the guy who said it could become the AG of Virginia. I refuse to join the pearl clutching when powerful people call for political violence. Okay. So the Democratic Virginia attorney general candidate Jay Jones several years ago was in a text thread with a Republican colleague. He suggested he would hypothetically kill a pair of Republican state lawmakers before Hitler or Pol Pot. and suggested that it would be okay if their children died because quote only when people feel pain personally do they move on policy so not good right not good i'm not going to pretend like that's a good thing that this person said deplorable even put it in a basket call it deplorable chuck it out the door yeah don't say got to kill the kids what are you talking about however this correct me if i'm wrong this is from a few years ago situation It feels very beside the point in terms of addressing what this situation is, what's happening. You can condemn what's happening and the language used without just resorting to, uh-uh, you guys. Are you suggesting that J.D. Vance is deploying what-aboutism to avoid any sort of accountability for his entire party's viewpoints?

Perhaps I am. Okay, well. Perhaps I am. Good luck with that. Yeah, what about it, Tony? Sorry. Sorry. It's interesting that there does seem to be a real rift within MAGA about how to react to this. J.D. Vance is obviously on the Trump route. You never apologize. You never admit that anyone on your side did anything wrong until, of course, they defect and you're suing them or trying to get them in jail years down the road. But while they're part of your team, you never criticize them, you never condemn them. But other people are still going with that old school Republican. This language has no place within the Republican Party. I mean, it's an open secret, not even the secret. It's like well known that, yeah, tons of like Republican staffers are like groopers and like talk like

this. They're more racist than a lot of older Republicans. They're more racist than like Donald Trump is publicly. They wish that he would go farther. And these are the young people who are staffed in these like congressional offices and positions. So this is, again, It's not surprising. It is pretty well known. And it's a small example of this kind of thing from them. And the normalization of, I mean, every time somebody says something that they shouldn't as a joke and people don't push back on it, then it becomes normalized. I mean, you could, you could be hard.

I don't even understand how that can be a joke. But this whole excuse of, oh, I'm just. joking it was just a joke lighten up we get to say whatever we want now it is like a social signal it's how you're signaling like i'm part of this like new breed we don't care of you know we don't care uh what our language is we don't care what you think of us obviously they don't use that language publicly but to each other so they so they do care it's like i'm edgier than you right it's this whole uh uh like south park kind of ethos even though the south park guys hate their guts now.

But, you know, not necessarily. I don't know. I mean, but right, it's like this way of saying, like, I'm more Trumpy than you. I'm more maggot even you because I'm going to say the stuff that we all believe. We all know. Exactly. So it is a joke. I don't think Peter Junta wants to gas Jews or, you know, like, but at the same time, he

clearly doesn't care. It's clearly not a serious issue to these people. Yeah, but they also do care because they're not doing it publicly. They're still hiding away in this. So like, it's that sort of like, yeah, we're like, we're, oh, we're edgy, we're saying the true things, but also we know we can't say them. But if it comes out, then we won't apologize for them. But also we kind of will. It's that, yeah, that weird place that they're in now where they know they can actually be as forthright with these kinds of opinions. And, like, you see sometimes people sort of, like, ultimately is vice signaling is what they're doing.

Yeah. With a lot of this stuff. And I've seen a lot of people like, this is just like how, like, young people talk to each other in group chats. And I can't speak for young people. But there's like, like, oh, yeah, we just like, yeah, you call each other the F word and stuff. It's like you razz each other.

First of all, I don't think that's true for everybody. I think that it's sort of taking, this idea that like, yeah, like, friends like kind of like make fun of each other and stuff to this hyper level, uh, that doesn't actually exist among most normal people. Um, most normal people aren't calling black people monkeys in their group chats. Um, and it's interesting that there are other people like, this is how I talk with my friends and stuff. I don't think it is. Um, you're covering up for it. And if it is, that is not good because most of the things people are saying like, oh, they made some history.

jokes they also call black people monkeys i don't think you like it's they're picking what they're defending instead of the yeah the actual problem these people are wanting to be the political leaders of tomorrow right you want to be the leader of a political party that of course every political party pretends that they're like super inclusive huge umbrella everyone should get in here oh i did great with uh black people last time okay you got like 9% instead of 7% or whatever the number is But, like, it's just, it's not acceptable in any sense, but if just someone's group chat that's had this stuff got leaked to Politico, it's not newsworthy. It's newsworthy that these are the young Republicans of the not just like kids on college campuses, as I want to emphasize. And I want to play this J.D. Vance clip on Real America's voice to really, like, drive home the way he's framing what this.

these young people are doing and kind of how only only people on the left ever have agency. The people on the right are just victims. Yes. And for context, this is done on the same podcast that just a few weeks earlier, J.D. Vance told the entire nation to call people and get them fired for jokes they may or may not have made about Charlie Kirk. Yes. This is on The Charlie Kirk Show on Real America's voice.

still exists for some reason it's extremely weird that this show still exists i'm sorry i just before we play this clip the guy's dead stop with the show stop it i understand doing a week of like memorial episodes but rename it do it stop the show anyway here's the clip focusing on what kids are saying in group chat grow up i'm sorry focus on the real issues don't focus what on what kids say in group chats but there's another angle to this that i i just have to be honest about i'm like an old guy at this When I'm 41 years old, I have three kids. You know, I grew up in a different world, right? We're not most of the stupid things that I did when I was a teenager and a young adult.

They're not on the internet. Like, I'm going to tell my kids, especially my boys, don't put things on the internet. Like, be careful with what you post. If you put something in a group chat, assume that some scumbag is going to leak it in an effort to try to cause you harm or cause your family harm. But the reality is that kids do stupid things, especially, young boys, they tell edgy, offensive jokes. Like, that's what kids do. And I really don't want us to grow up in a country where a kid telling a stupid joke, telling a very offensive stupid joke, is caused to ruin their lives. And at some point, we're all going to have to say

enough of this BS. We're not going to allow the worst moment in a 21-year-old's group chat to ruin a kid's life for the rest of time. Literally the opposite of what he said weeks ago about what you should do for people making offensive jokes but whatever these aren't kids these aren't kids these aren't kids he says kids a lot

he says kids a lot he's not much older than them he's not much older than them if you're saying kids he's saying these are kids these kids 21 years old whatever you can be up to 40 in this group I think like 35 36 is the oldest person

of 41 he at 41 said he's an old guy but these people five years younger than him are kids that's kind of not true jady that seems like maybe you are a liar um it's very frustrating to see um this kind of work where like yeah everybody on my side we're actually the little tiny little babies oh uh this 45 year old man threw up on himself well that's is what babies do that's what babies do like that's this idea that everyone on his side it must be infantilized. He infantilizes everybody

while also, like, demanding that everybody, like, show appropriate deference and gratitude to him and, like, thank him properly. He can't say, grow up in the same breath you're saying these adults are children.

Meanwhile... That's absurd. Jay Jones, the Virginia Attorney General candidate, sent his offensive text to a colleague three years ago when he was 33 years old. So is he just a kid?

Just a baby. off steam making jokes like no you look at those texts you're like that's pretty ugly to say um to anyone let alone a colleague of the same party where you say people deserve to die you know all that stuff no way would vance give the benefit of the doubt uh to that kid he's just a slime ball he's a slimy little slimy little guy um there's a reason uh he said this on the same podcast where he said fire people uh and call people to get them fired for their jokes it is part of it he is mocking the idea of accountability. He's laughing about how he can get away with this kind of stuff. The, this, like, the hypocrisy is part of it. He knows what he's doing and why he's

doing it on that show. We can move on. There was that Nazi flag in the other, in the other Republican office, but a Republican congressman had a U.S. flag in, behind a staffer's desk that was altered to depict a swastika and then this the congressman's statement on it had a title that says like congressman taylor statement on office vandalism but the statement itself didn't suggest vandalism and said like we'll be doing an investigation it seems like a person just put a flag behind their desk that has swastika does anybody know how long that was up before it became a thing well what they're claiming now is that someone unknown like handed out or delivered these little flags to a bunch

of different representatives offices and some people opened the thing up and was like this flag is a swastika on it and threw it out and that other people didn't notice because it's kind of an optical illusion and it only really looks like a swastika on camera is the claim that's the convenient claim point point Point being, it's a bit of an open secret that a lot of these guys are Nazis and that a lot of Republican Congress people are staffed with a bunch of little Nazi freaks. As Trump seemed to admit about his deputy. Let's put a button on this they're all weird Nazis conversation by showing this clip of Trump, acknowledging that his best little guy is one of those things.

Didn't get elected. I did get elected for crime, but I didn't get elected for what we're doing. is many, many steps above. And I want to thank Stephen Miller, who's right back in the audience right there. I'd love to have him. I love watching him on television. I'd love to have him come up and explain his true feelings.

Maybe not his truest feelings. That might be going a little bit too far. But Stephen, thank you for doing an unbelievable job. And the people of this country love you, I'll tell you. And they love what you say about crime and stopping crime. I mean, yeah.

I mean. So, especially in contrast. Cody yesterday or the day before tweeted about this clip. Yeah, from a meeting during the election last year, according to New York Times, the president told a campaign meeting that if it was up to Miller, there would only be 100 million people living in the United States and all of them would look like Miller. So privately admitting like, yeah, he's a bit of a Nazi freak, a bit of a big Nazi freak. And there he is in public, alluding to it as well. This Shocktober, Pluto TV has all the scares, literally all of them, all for free. So buckle up your scare belts and get ready for fan favorite horror movies like paranormal activity, the ring, scream, the copper-tone killers, murder on the love boat, from dusk till dawn, from solstice to equinox, from SOD till EOD, Mary Shelley's Frankenstein

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So actually for context for this conversation, I don't know if I mentioned this on the show before. You'll be scrolling through the apps, the YouTube shorts, the Instagram reels, the whatever's, and people love just like popping clips from shows and things up. I'm not a CIA show type of person. I don't like those shows.

They don't really grab me. But I'll see clips every once in a while. And one thing I have noticed over the past few months is that all the clips I see the enemy is Venezuela specifically. Ooh, the bogeyman is shifted.

It's fascinating. It's always Venezuela. But it used to be, you know, Islamic terrorists. Generic Islamic terrorists, things like that. But we shifted to Venezuela being the enemy on the CIA shows. Maybe we're going through the cycle

because we went through a period where on TV and film it was always, yeah, Islamic terrorism and then before that it was Russians and then before that Nazis and so maybe we're coming back around after Venezuela it can be Nazis again now we're getting close we're so close

we're so close the US military is blowing up boats in the Caribbean sea the administration says they are narco terrorists smuggling drugs Trump announced on Tuesday that we destroyed a fifth boat and killed six people So the total number of people we have murdered is up to 27.

No evidence that has ever been provided that these are drug boats. And even if they were, it's still illegal and morally repugnant to... Our policy was the prior would be to intercept boats and search them without killing people, which... Would we wait until they're, like, near us to intercept them? Because these boats weren't going here. The last boat, I think, was on its way, so we have evidence of, I guess, to Trinidad and Tobago. No, it doesn't make any sense. It's, of course, illegal.

The president does not have the authority to do this. They are trying to argue that we are in a armed conflict with drug cartels, and thus it allows us to be at, you know, war with them. But armed conflict has, you know, an international. definition. And this does not count. But unfortunately, Congress won't pass legislation formally blocking him from doing it. So we're just doing these boat bombings, many of whom are likely fishermen if you believe the interviews with people in Venezuela who says their fisherman husband went out and never came back. I mean, this is a wild thing to think about. You're doing your job you're going you know people members of the community minding their own business fishing

and then never coming back and then i start to think about my god the terror that people there who this is their livelihood must feel or what's the next escalation and there's seemingly no recourse what are we doing what the fuck are we doing the same thing we've done everywhere throughout the world to disastrous outcomes, regime change? I mean, what the fuck? Those were dumb presidents. J.D. Vance made it very, very clear. regime change, interventionism, just American imperialism in general, that was done by dumb presidents. But they're not dumb. They're going to do it correctly. So we'll just have to, you know, let them do some wars. I'm not saying that there aren't boats, smuggling drugs, but again, I am saying that we have a policy, you could intercept boats and

search them instead of intercept boats by blowing them up from a distance and... I mean, it's just like, it's not... But it's an optics thing. There's not like, we don't blow, we don't do that. Well, also, Venezuela is not like a major hub for sending drugs into the U.S. anyway. It's more cocaine than fentanyl, certainly. and much of it doesn't go here a lot of the cocaine from Colombia goes through Venezuela

and then out around the world also who cares but if you've got a huge problem with it right you can you can intercept the boat and then prove you know stand in front of the drugs with a big you take a big picture

like the way cops do in front of the drugs yeah get your photo a lot they really want to provoke a war with Venezuela for I think I think Hegseth thinks it'll be fun I think Trump plays it'll be politically expedient for him he'll be able to get away with more if we're at war

right he's already a report came out yesterday that the Trump administration secretly authorized the CIA to conduct covert actions in Venezuela so that is going on now and then when he was asked about it yeah and then he asked about it

was asked about it yesterday and admitted to it, basically, and they said, are you thinking about, like, striking inside Venezuela? And he said, we are certainly looking at land now because we've got the sea very well under control.

So they're looking at land by which they mean invading or bombing inside... Yeah, they do. Venezuela. Also, I'm really sick of reporters, whether they're real reporters or, you know,

the reporters that ask Trump questions, just putting ideas in his head. It's like that's their jobs to go and pitch horrible things for them to do. I know. Let him bring it up. Let him come up with the idea of bombing a country.

They do that a lot. It's very frustrating. It is frustrating. Have you thought about, yeah. I didn't think about that until now. Thanks for the idea. Shut your mouth. For preening all the worst shit

in the world into his brain. Or like, you know, you're trying to trick him in some way, catch him in a gotcha moment. And I'm all for getting them on camera or whatever and following through with your questions or whatever. But when you plant ideas like that, then he's said it. Now it's out there. And then he plays with it. And he gets away with everything. You're just enabling it. This is also connected to the crackdown on

immigrants in the U.S. because of the supposed Trende Aragua connection, right? These are Trenda-Aragua boats they're blowing up, and we've got Trenda-Aragua all over the U.S. that they're arresting left and right. In that Chicago apartment raid last week, where they pulled, kicked everyone out and zip-tied the kids and pulled them all outside, they keep lowering the number of confirmed Trend-Da-Ragua people they captured. Now they say they have one verified, and that's them saying it, one verified trend-day-A-Raw- Agua member. And they're not sharing any evidence of that. So we're fucking we're terrorists. The

United States government is a terrorist organization. Yep. Um, yeah. I mean, they're terrorizing their citizens. They're at war with, uh, their own country. Uh, it's pretty disgusting. And I mean, if they like after after all that time, like, yeah, we actually have one verified member, uh, really makes you question all the other people they've already deported, um, for being gang members or any of this. Maybe they actually haven't been verifying that as much as they want people to believe. ProPublica had a report today.

They found that more than 170 U.S. citizens have been held four hours or even over a day by immigration agents in, you know, those prompt Kavanaugh holds that he says are not happening or are no big deal.

The number of U.S. citizens is terrifying and then multiply it by the number of non-U.S. citizens getting terrorized, and it's hard to wrap your head around on a daily basis. Like when you've gone through, you know, Trump always says, like, we want immigrants, but you have to do it legally. You have to do it the right way. And unless you are, have a legitimate asylum claim or, you know, have a family member here or have an employer willing to vouch for you, there is no right way. And then despite all those odds, if people still come here, are here for years, have gone through the entire process to get documentation, to become U.S. citizens.

And then when you think you're going in for your naturalization ceremony and they grab you. Can you fucking to ship you away? There's no, there's no policy argument. There's no moral argument. It's for Stephen Miller's numbers. Even Joe Rogan is horrified. Do you guys see that? Yeah, once every, like.

two, three weeks now, he comes out with a, this is crazy, man. I never knew. This is, this is, I, this is crazy. I thought mass migrations was. He was like, but these are people that have lived in their whole lives being sent someplace that they don't even speak the language.

Yeah, Joe. Yeah, fucking Joe. He told you. They all told you. We told you. J.D. Vance and the president said that Haitian migrants were eating people's pets, Joe. Did you believe him? Of course you did. Joe.

That's crazy. Meanwhile, the Toronto Homeland Security is tweeting simply the word remigrate, and for context, remigration is a form of ethnic cleansing, and they are simply saying it out loud. Yeah, I feel like any of those young Republicans, if they're looking for work, would fit right in at the social media department, at the Department of Homeland Security. Post your memes, post your memes, and your ethnic cleansing posts. The war that we're doing might be even more tough to cover because the Pentagon came out with a bunch of new reporting standards

that all essentially boiled down to that you cannot print or report anything classified or not unless Pete Heggseth approves, basically. And almost every journalist and almost every outlet said no and turned in their press badges, including Fox News, including Newsmax. One American News is the only organization that we know of right now that signed the press policy.

That's a good thing that I guess our news organizations can all come together and, except for one, condemn this. But my God, this is just, I don't know, I can't qualify of which one's the most un-American but this is about as un-American as it can get to this is a hallmark of America journalism. American journalism is that we are supposed to be able to report on things to have access. But also it's American to crack down on, you know, journalism.

I agree. I agree with you. Sorry, I'm being pedantic. No, it's fine. It's you're right. It's anti-American. It's anti-democracy. You know, it's like it's kind of like in the middle of like, it's like, it's like,

It's pretty American to do, but this is, like, very, very blatant and not something that is, that is normal. I don't want to dismiss what you're saying. No, I understand what people say when they mean, like, this is not who we are. Like, I don't feel the, you know, I'm like, actually it is. But no, I like, we, you know. But we do, we need to be able to say that stuff, exactly. To be so blatant about something that even if, yes, yes, I agree with you. But like, my, my God, we don't even care anymore.

It's to pretend in any capacity. Like Hegsef, for being a TV guy for so long, he doesn't understand optics as well as he thinks he does. Because this is all about optics. He cares a lot about what is said about him, about how he looks, about what's reported about him. But the big bombshell Pentagon stories are not things you get by having access to the front level and interviewing a few staffers at the Pentagon. on, like, stuff will still leak out, and he's trying to crack down on leaks, and it's just going to make the leaks worse. It's not like we're not going to find out about all the bad stuff they're doing.

And, like, I mean, does he think it's going to be good for morale to make everyone sign a pledge that they watched his little patent speech? Like, it's, like, very embarrassing. It's very embarrassing. For that guy, and for Mr. Strong Optics guy, he just makes himself look weak. weaker and weaker. And I know he's a TV guy and that's why he does this. But when he's being interviewed, you shouldn't turn and look into the camera because it makes it seem inauthentic instead of authentic when you talk to someone. But he keeps looking right into the camera.

It's just, it's overly performative. It's overly aware of the camera. And not in that sort of like weird like Trump way where like there or once in a while he'll like find the camera in a crowd and do this like little hey there, you know. And even that is like, yeah, it's just he's just so bad at this. This ad is brought to you by Veeve Healthcare, the makers of Appritude, cabotegrivir. You never skip your SPF and you carry hand sanitizer like an accessory. But what are you doing for HIV prevention? One way to help protect yourself from HIV is Appritude, a prescription medicine used to reduce the risk of getting HIV in adults and adolescents weighing at least 77 pounds. You must be HIV negative to receive Apprude and get

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this has been from, I would say, like, well-meaning sort of like never-Trump style of Republicans who are like, this guy, this is not who we are, we got to get this eye, like bullwork style conservatives, friends of the show. And a lot of them seem to be pointing out like, you know, I, you know, back in the day, I rightfully condemned when Obama did this and it's just as bad now that Trump's doing it and sort of trying to play this like I'm civil and respectful and I've always I'm like balls and strikes I'm always calling it and Obama did it and I said it was bad and I'm saying it's bad now that Trump's doing it too and I just wanted to address this because that's not what Obama did and this is another one of those things that has become sort of mythologized

in the Republican mind that justifies everything they're doing now to them I've seen tons of people be like oh you reap what you sow look what Obama did it as well so there's people who's being like, I said it was a bad when Obama did it and it's bad now. And other people saying it was bad when Obama did it, so we're going to do it to you. But I just wanted to make clear, like, yes, there was more scrutiny on conservative, um, uh, nonprofit groups, uh, under Obama in that 2013 sort of period. Um, but as I will read this quote, by the time the tumult abated, few people noticed that the inspector general had submitted a, another report. This one concluded that IRS staff had also used keywords such as progressive

to target liberal organizations for further scrutiny. And basically, what happened was in 2010, Citizens United was decided. And so the following years, a bunch of political groups, kind of disguised as like charity groups and these other groups popped up because political spending, it was a free for all. So all these groups popped up. And so the IRS was targeting those kinds of groups and ended up using keywords like Tea Party and conservative progressive on both sides to determine whether or not they were like doing anything illegal or being dishonest about their organization. And so it was presented as like they're going after conservative groups. But ultimately the real narrative was no, they were going after both sides.

Maybe they went after conservatives more because there's probably more money on the conservative side for groups like that so there were more groups but um it's just this myth that i wanted to dispel as we go into people justifying this as like it's payback or saying like well they're both bad um it's not the same thing uh yeah trump's trump's not doing this for this reason he's worse it's it's different it's one of those things that has been repeated enough that a lot of people just accept it's true that like biden's white house or the democrats did it first And so that's why Trump is going nutso now when it comes to authoritarianism, similar to how, you know, a majority of Republicans believe that the 2020 election was stolen. Like, it's been five years.

You'd think they'd have something by now in the most analyzed election ever. But it's just been said so many times, so many times to the point where, you know, after they called it the big lie for a few years, they just stopped pushing back. Like, he'll say it in an interview, and then it's just, okay, you're not going to admit it. So, yeah. Trayvon Martin is another one where, like, Obama said, Obama said it could have been his son. And they, like, they can't. They can't get out of the brain. Like, then you deserve all the racism we could ever throw at you is their justification for it.

Did narratives stick this easily in the past? Or is it just so much, it must just be, it's so much worse with the internet because it's, it's definitely worse with the internet. But, you know, Howard, Howard Dean ruined his entire, like, uh, political future by just going Yehah or whatever But also like a clip If someone embarrasses Themself a little bit on Fox News or wherever

Then the people who watched it would see it And maybe tell other people that they saw it And now the clip is everywhere You could like half of this show is like Here are the clips that were taken from Like I'm not turning on Real America's voice To watch Jady Vance on the entire Charlie Kirk Show and grab a thing. Like, part of how the news ecosystem keeps up at this point

is a series of clips from cable news. And you know, everyone wants to do their best to not take those things out of context. But at the same time, you, those moments get amplified so much. So it's way easier for us to see J.D. Vance be a liar than it would have been 30 years ago. and it's way easier for the right to get the same narrative in their face over and over and over again. Not to mention if they're on the website, the owner of which is flooding it into your brain.

What the heck is going on with Marjorie Taylor Green, huh? What the heck is going on with Marjorie Taylor Green? Yeah, she only deserves a couple minutes. That's true. Right? Like, I don't need to... We don't need to talk about her too much. What's up? What's up with her? What's going on? What's your deal? March?

A lot is going on with Marjorie Taylor Green lately to the point where Trump is asking what's going on with Marjorie because she has not defected. But she has taken some positions that are not the MAGA or GOP position. She was one of only three House Republicans to sign the discharge petition that would demand the full release of the Epstein files. She criticized the Iran strikes. She called what happened in Gaza, or what is happening in Gaza, a genocide. She says the GOP has no plan on health care and is talking about affordability a lot more. She wants the Affordable Care Act subsidies preserved. And she told the Washington Post this week that there are weak men in the Republican Party who are threatened by strong Republican women.

Interesting. anyway. Yeah, she is, I mean, she's getting a lot of good press, so maybe that's a reason why. That could be a reason. But also Trump told her not to run for Senate in Georgia, and so maybe she's a little bit hurt by that or is planning a 2028 run herself. Maybe a VEP role for her, you know, Vance Green type of situation. I don't like the woman, but this is smart to pivot on these.

issues because these are the issues that are the issues that are breaking people away from MAGA to a degree that you can say that they're breaking away from MAGA but these are the things that there are grumblings about and you know she's not wrong about them as much as it sucks to say I mean I mean although I appreciate somebody saying these things but it is interesting because am I right though that Donald Trump didn't endorse her when she ran not in her first primary he endorsed her in the general primary she okay okay so she's a little bit unique from a lot of conservatives right now in that I guess that gives her some amount of independence I don't know I'm trying to triangulate it's but it's also like what are you going to do are you just going to talk about it and get your press and talk about it or are you going to like actually like work with you know maybe an aOC type on an actual legislation right do anything about it um instead of sort of like try to get showboating because like showboating and also there's an element of the political landscape where it's like okay yeah

i'm saying this stuff therefore all the democrats need to come over with me and do my stuff no no no if you actually care about this stuff and you think it's real then you go you go to the other side and you work with them and you make that happen like in this new political world it does seem advantageous to be a Republican and do all the Republican stuff but then in your district basically be a

lefty populist 70% of her constituents voted for Trump but many of them rely on Obamacare subsidies and so when they were asked in interviews hey what do you think about what Marjorie Taylor Green's doing they say

oh it's great she's just looking out for the little guy like us. Okay, so if you think doing the things that the left wants to do is looking out for the little guy then why would you

but it doesn't matter it seems like smart basically be Zoran Mamdani in your district and then you know get on the stage with the president and say the left

be Stephen Miller on the national stage and then yeah Miller Miller on the streets Mamdani in the in the sheets you hated oh ah I don't like

I don't think about that. But you're right. That is what it is. I also, I think there's an element of, and I mean, who knows, but I think there's an element of this pivoting where part of it is sort of like seeing the way the wind's blowing. And Trump is pretty unpopular. And you got, again, you got like Joe Rogan out there being like, what are you doing? Some of the performative cruelty and the violence and all the things that Trump is doing

aren't really being received very well. Right. And so I think part of it is sort of seeing that and maybe trying to triangulate because eventually Trump's going to be dead. And also I think her thing about about weak Republican men, I think it's funnily phrased. But ultimately, I think what she's doing is being woke. She's talking about the sexism in the Republican Party and how the men in the Republican Party don't actually respect women despite whatever they might, when our sound bite they might give out. it seems like maybe there's some frustration there with sort of, like, experiencing some of the sexism that exists there without talking about it in the way where you're like, yeah, like, we need feminism for this or whatever. It's like, well, she's not going to say that, but she's going to say, you're weak Republican men who don't like strong women. It's right on the edge of woke. I do. Yeah, you're right. I agree with you.

And I agree with her point there. I also consider her to be a particularly difficult to stomach person. Yeah. And so there could be some amount of like, well, you're unpleasant. You're unpleasant to work with. It's you. Exactly. Exactly.

But no, yeah, everything everyone said, I agree with you completely. I'll add that there might be some reading of the tea leaves here. I genuinely think it takes a while for people, constituents, for average Americans, it will take them a while to admit all the ways that Donald Trump has disappointed them, you know, and I think that it's starting to, as to what you said, I don't think the cruelty goes over well with everyone. I think that people are realizing that, no, I'm losing money and are scared of the next few years and what that will look like and how much worse their life will be. When at the crux, what everybody cares about,

Cross the board is that we can't afford to live our lives. We can't afford health care. We can't afford the groceries. We can't afford the insurance. People can't afford rents. They can't buy homes. And it is a crisis. And we should all be agreeing on that. And I think she knows that because she's listening to her constituents or she's very self-preserving and is mapping out her future political ambitions. But it is politically smart to be a member of the Republican Party and say this really loudly. And to be clear, she also makes sure to say that she's MAGA, that she still believes, you know, it's not like she's distancing herself from the cruelty. It's not like she's distancing herself from the reality of this administration. But she is still a Islamophobic racist says Trump's her favorite. president Jewish space laser lady like she'll always be that and so it's ultimately like yeah like who cares I guess not who cares but like it's interesting to consider why she's doing it but um you know uh she doesn't deserve more time oh I'll say but I don't want to say one last

thing doesn't deserve more time except for this one moment I do think there's also a possibility that um she kind of knows that Trump is a Epstein style pedophile and uh it seems like uh because she's one of the few people who's like yeah release the stuff we want to see the stuff and i think that maybe she all she kind of has whether or not like admitted to herself but like senses like he's there's probably something there with him and is sort of putting her foot in the door so there's some separate some possibility of separation uh of her from him when it all comes out if it ever does um breaking news John Bolton has been indicted.

This one, I mean, this one is certainly one of Trump's enemies, but this investigation started during Biden because, you know, I don't want to... It's hard to be hated by everyone, I guess. It is. I don't want to... My instinct was to laugh, and I'm so sorry. But to that, in response to me laughing, I want to say, as we've discussed as before, there is an element of some of these

initial indictments and these sort of things that he's doing. Yes, it was started under Biden and yes, he's also Trump's political enemy, so it's a little muddy. One of the things that he is doing is picking targets that are a little more palatable as targets to

both sides. Many Democrats fucking hate Comey because he lost the election in 2016. So there is an element of, well, I'll go after these people, because maybe when they hear about the news they might like laugh but you normalize that behavior

and then you go after other targets that you might have actually been like had a real problem with if it was first but now so many have happened that it's been normalized and it's more acceptable and he is trying to push it quickly like yesterday during this FBI meeting he's just calling out the names of people

he once indicted to Pam Bondi while she like shifts uncomfortably and Cash Patel he's like shifty shift how about him he's just like throwing out in it but rosy o'donnell you know whoever oh did he say rosy o'Donnell no he didn't uh i wish he did that'd be so funny she doesn't live here anymore but that's true um yeah so i just wanted to uh address my laugh which i apologize for nah who cares uh we did it we know what you we got through quite a lot in this hour together we did we did like i hope we all feel accomplished i feel like you all do

Like you were heard. I do, because I was talking. I hope you feel seen. I don't know what I'm doing. All right, that's it. We're done. We're out of here. It's the weekend.

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