Some More News - He Did Everything Right, And They Indicted Him!

Episode Date: June 16, 2023

Hi. "Some More News" head writer Dave Bell is IN THE STUDIO today with Katy and Cody to talk about Donald Trump (he used to be the president) being indicted for a whole bunch of crimes. They discuss Trump's excuses for why taking sensitive documents and then lying about it isn't a big deal, how the GOP presidential candidates are playing it, and, of course, DS9.   Note: We had a few audio issues as this was our first in-studio episode in several years. You'll hear some voice echoes at times in this episode, but we've tried to make the conversation as seamless as possible. Thanks for understanding! Check out our MERCH STORE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/somemorenews?ref_id=9949  SUBSCRIBE to SOME MORE NEWS: https://tinyurl.com/ybfx89rh    Subscribe to the Even More News and SMN audio podcasts here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/some-more-news/id1364825229  Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6ebqegozpFt9hY2WJ7TDiA?si=5keGjCe5SxejFN1XkQlZ3w&dl_branch=1  Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/show/even-more-news   Follow us on social media: Twitter: https://twitter.com/SomeMoreNews  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/SomeMoreNews/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SomeMoreNews/  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somemorenews  Go to https://eightsleep.com/MORENEWS and save $150 on the Pod Cover by Eight Sleep. That's the best offer you'll find, but you must visit https://eightsleep.com/MORENEWS for $150 off. Eight Sleep currently ships within the USA, Canada, the UK, select countries in the EU, and Australia. It's a no-brainer. If you want to get way more shows and save money while you're at it go to https://ExpressVPN.com/morenews. Don't forget to use my link so you can get three extra months free. Leave summer stress behind and upgrade your CBD. Go to https://NextEvo.com/MORENEWS to get 20% off your first order of $40 or more. If you want to take ownership of your health, try AG1 and get a FREE 1-year supply of Vitamin D AND 5 Free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase. Go to https://drinkAG1.com/MORENEWS.

Hello and welcome back to even more news, the first and only news podcast. My name is Katie Stoll. Hi, Katie Stoll. My name is different from yours. It's Cody, which is similar to Katie, but not. It is very similar, actually. But my last name is Johnston, so that's not. Your last name is Johnston.

Mine is Stoll. Hi. Hi. Hey. This is special. We're back in studio together for the first time in so many years. To all you listeners out there who can't see

that we are in the same room for the podcast. I keep trying to take a selfie, but it gets backlit. It's not working. Also in studio with us today, none other than Some More News head writer Dave Bell. I'm here. I'm physically here in the room. It's weird. It's weird.

Yeah. I want to sing that. Ring my bell. Oh, yeah. Does anybody ever sing that to you? That's got my name in it. No, no one has ever sung that to me. For real.

Yeah. Wow. Well, now I'm going to do it all the time. For whom the bell stalls. There we go. So good. And guess what, guys? We're not done with the fun surprises.

I guess this shouldn't be a surprise. Jonathan is also here in studio with us. Wow. I am. Hello. Hi, Jonathan. Hello. Jonathan's recording into a computer.

Happy to be here. First time recording this podcast in person with all of you. First time meeting Dave Bell. First time meeting Dave Bell today. In person? Yes. Are you kidding me? That didn't even occur to me oh my god this should have been like the the whole conversation since i got here i just didn't register that i just feel like we've met in person oh and we've

spoken several times let's touch our hands oh god's touch our hands. Oh! Folks, we're touching each other for people who can't see. Yeah, John. Who can't feel that through the sound. What if something happened? What if like a rift happened where it was like we're from different dimensions and we didn't know it? I mean, I was a little worried as you both reached out. I was like, what's going to happen? This is too much.

And maybe you did rupture time in a different dimension. We don't know. We'll find out in the post credits of this episode it did look quite powerful from where i was sitting we'll have a huge battle in an empty open wasteland yeah yeah and it'll look like shit yeah i sat on that information i was at one point i was going to bring it up earlier as we were troubleshooting the recording i was like, this is excellent podcast fodder. Sneaky.

Manipulative. Speaking of sneaky. Speaking of sneaky and manipulative, June 15th, Sneak a Kiss Day. Sneak a Kiss Day is celebrated every June 15th by lovers globally to honor their pure feelings for each other i bet it's not i bet it's not um jonathan you want to tell us you did this research describe this little situation i am now digging around to try to find like how these holidays originated and sometimes it is quite difficult the earliest i could find uh was a blog post from 2019 on 98.1 the hawk in binghamton new york and this guy wrote about it and linked to a site referencing the holiday uh called gone

dash ta dash pot with two t's dot com which is an old fake holiday website that does not exist anymore okay and uh the host who wrote the blog post clearly did so as an seo play whoever ran the website at 98.1 the hawk is making them all do this and he wrote growing up for me every day was sneak a kiss day i would sneak up give a kiss and get a smack unfortunately it usually wasn't a kiss smack give a kiss, and get a smack. Unfortunately, it usually wasn't a kiss smack. I was a real monster growing up. There's a lot here.

The pure feelings, like that phrasing, it's just, it's real gross. I don't like it. Yeah. Just have a kiss. Burn this holiday. Yeah, if you have a partner. If you have a sweetie,

and you're sweet on each other. You don't have to sneak it, though. Yeah proud kiss day how about that loud and proud kiss day and that's gonna end up being loud and proud fans of the band kiss but it's all good it's all good okay june 16th take back your lunch day from those bullies i was gonna say when I first saw this I thought the implication was that someone had taken the line I was like wait what's wrong with my lunch because you you can't skip lunch you just you can't you can't do it held on the third Friday in June each year this event encourages workers all over America to step up to the plate, lunch plate that is,

and take a regular and longer lunch break. Oh, yeah. That's right. Go take a long lunch break. In fact, don't come back to work. Don't come back to work. And if you do, take their lunch. That's the thing. Realizing taking back your lunch from your employer, it's like, oh, yeah. Take back having lunch. Yeah absolutely good holiday speaking of taking back lunch uh recently donald trump promised a room full of people that he's gonna buy all their food and then he left i don't know it doesn't sound like something you do i know i know i know it does sound like a perfect transition if we're ready to talk about the news i'm always ready to talk about the news i just wanted to slip that in

because it seems so appropriate no it did we can we can go back i was gonna wait for that for like two minutes but no no it's too late let's do it well how are you before we get into it i'm well i am well i have a new vehicle so i'm enjoying driving god what else what have i been doing i've been watching a lot of deep space nine so that's fun i got into the the vic episodes where they're on the holodeck and there's like vic like they're they're crooner who like they casually gave uh sentience to if you haven't watched deep space nine this is incredibly boring but that's that's pretty much that's my whole thing right now just can i ask you something

about deep space nine yeah because i'm not a huge star trek fan not that familiar with the show one thing i do like about it that i do know is that every iteration of the show every like series right there is a sort of a villainous alien species um and then when they do another series uh that species uh sort of becomes integrated into the Federation and the crew. And then there's a new big bad. So I guess my question is, like, in Deep Space Nine, what's the like the former bad species? The Ferengi. The Ferengi are they're they're fascinating species because there has been some very rightful accusations that they are perhaps similar to like the Harry Potter potter goblins uh in that they are a species who only care about money uh and there's some like uh undertones of anti-semitism but what

the writers meant with the ferengis originally was that they kind of represent a capitalist race and so the the the interesting thing about the ferengi is it's every Ferengi episode is sort of showing how capitalism, what it makes people and the species, like the groveling they have to do or the hierarchies or the fact that women aren't a part of it and they have to fight to become a part of it. So they're, they're using the Ferengi as like basically a placeholder for capitalism. And they're an interesting species in that,

like they really don't mesh well with the humans. And like, they're very offended by a lot of the things they do. So they're kind of playing with that idea of what if there's an alien that just fundamentally like is against our values. Right. And how do we deal with that? Cause yeah.

Like, uh, opposing space communism basically. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, it's the Ferengi. Everybody should watch DS9.

I'd say, so TNG is the one I grew up with. It's a little 90s, like it's a little dated, whereas DS9 kind of entered modern TV, where there's like an ongoing story. There's less of a story of the week and stuff like that. So if you're gonna start star trek ds9 might be the way to do it all right solid rec from day i was gonna start singing the song again but i just didn't have it in me hey it's katie if you know me, you know I've done a lot of messed up stuff. Lots of guilt images seared into my brain.

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Oh, okay. Yeah. For a while. And now he's not. Although some people think he still is secretly and is running the government. We'll get to that. Right. Maybe.

I'm so confused about that because it's like he's secretly running the government, but also the government is trying to put him in jail. Yeah, there's a lot of gymnastics to unpack that one. But the thing that everyone is clamoring to hear our hot takes on, I know, because people just can't stop asking me. Yes, I'm exaggerating. Trump has been indicted. I'm sorry, indicted. You said it right the first time.

Stupid, the spelling. Our language. You're so upset about the spelling of this word. It's just that and also, guys, our beloved former president has been indicted for doing absolutely nothing wrong. I know. This is wild. It keeps happening right after we record yeah the show oh yeah every time both times every time oh yeah every time in the future the moment you hit stop on

this one it's gonna be like donald trump shoot out with the cops i don't mean to center myself in this but how dare he you know honestly yeah it's like come on about this everything else is fine when you yeah the timing how dare he how dare about this everything else is fine when you yeah the timing how dare he how dare he you can ask him yourself when you get him on the show yeah that's next week invitation mr i reached out to mackinney i'm sure minutes before we hear back from them well you got to go through the my pillow guy oh right or rudy there is a non-zero chance you could get to him and get him on the show without him knowing what the show is i think so yeah like that is he's plausible

yeah he's busy right now because he's been charged with 37 felony accounts that's a lot it's a lot of them the primary allegations are willful retention of national defense information conspiracy to obstruct justice lying to federal investigators like a lot of this is sort of par for the course this is how he how he like even like during the muller period it's like yeah obstruction of justice yeah yeah exactly he loves obstructing justice it's like honestly he made that whole situation so much worse because of obstructing justice like ultimately the muller report became so much bigger because oh yeah all of his that's such a frustrating thing to talk about with people but do you not see every thing that he's doing that is blatantly illegal he's

asking he's asking for i don't like to victim but he is it's like if you're at a party and there's like a clown slapping people and it takes a little too long for someone to kick the clown out and when they do you're not like yeah you're like right yeah like the clown was slapping people you get rid of the clown like he's been doing this for so long that i don't even feel like satisfied by it. I'm just like, right. Sometimes you're like, this is when you're like, I mean, yeah, those are the things we know about. Those are so obvious.

I'm like, there's got to be others, too. I mean, there are 37. Don't cover up your crimes, man. I also, maybe we'll play it. Quincy, if you want to play the clip i'll do it right now immediately after getting released he did this rally and uh in a speech with a quote what's a quote i did everything right but they indicted me i did everything right and they indicted me and i love it obviously for so many reasons uh he's just the funniest fucking piece of shit in

the world uh but i it's so funny because you did everything right man you can read you saying that you know you shouldn't be doing this like you say like yeah i should you know this is kind of illegal right you can't even it's so absurd stacked in was stacked in your bathroom. Like, what did you do? It was a perfect phone call. So this was a perfect stacking of boxes. This was perfect story. I did everything right. Like, even if you think that like, it wasn't illegal, you didn't do everything right

because you kept them in the bathroom. I was going to say that. I'm like, that's the primary spot to get mildew and mold and whatnot. That's objectively the wrong place to put them. Like, legality aside, you didn't do everything right. Did anybody take a shower next to those? oh man thinking up the place like oh boy so we should maybe talk about uh some of the excuses the mental gymnastics that people have

been jumping through to justify this or whatever excuse it the response because it's not very good right no it's so he's suddenly referenced i think you should leave earlier it feels like a sketch like that over like an entire country where it's like it's so obvious the thing it's the it's the hot dog where it's like it's so obvious and unavoidable that like if you were a trump supporter you can just go i was wrong oops you know like okay it really seems like you did something wrong you could you could say like i don't think it was that bad but like you know you can argue the severity of it i guess but it's so overt now that it's amazing to watch people try to be like actually it's fine or it's not or it's a hoax it's like we're so beyond that at this point so the first um excuse

is hillary clinton and joe biden did the same thing and nothing's happened to them first off joe biden is having an investigation into his handling of his boxes of classified documents that he gave back we'll look into that but like no go ahead so no i do suspect a lot of presidents have done this i i lord knows if i was in the oval office as a guest or not i would try to take something like it just you just want to yeah like i'm grabbing well that's just to prove to everybody that i was in fact president at one point. There's a lot of speculation of like,

well, maybe he took them to sell to other countries and stuff. No, no, no, no. He wanted to show Brad, who owns a used car dealership in Florida, that he's got these documents. It's just like props to him. Yeah, you could argue like, oh, I mean, well, if everybody does it, why'd he get in trouble? And it's like, well, he's clearly worse at it. And then also once caught he didn't just go ah you got here they are

you know yeah people well right that's the thing where it's like yeah even if because he and he's done this since basically day one of like people getting mad for his behavior and then slowly like historians are just like people who like know more about politics like this is actually the thing that a lot of presidents do and he's doing it you don't like him and you're you're taking this like i don't like him personally with this act and being like well that act is bad and slowly coming it around like oh maybe presidents shouldn't do that so that maybe there's a conversation about like how we classify documents or like all this sort of stuff but like he does it very poorly and he was asked and he said he just didn't give them back whereas

most presidents probably give them back when they're asked right you ever shoplift as an adult it's i'm not saying i've done it uh but hypothetically it's really freeing because you can like grab you know an expensive cheese or something like that and then if they catch you you just go oh whoops i forgot to ring that up and you're done you don't shove them over into the carts and grab everything you can and run out because again you can use plausible deniability so absurd and he did it didn't have to be this way man like you could have kept doing your illegal shit but it didn't have to come down to man like you could have kept doing your illegal shit but it didn't have to come down to this i mean you still would have been indicted for other things because there's more in the pipeline but the charges are all things he did after it none of it is january 20th

2021 it's willful retention of national defense information conspiracy to obstruct justice lying to federal investigators scheme to conceal corruptly concealing this is all after they're just packing the stuff up and taking it they'd be like oh you didn't know that this one this thing that has shirts or whatever also had classified documents uh you're an idiot we'll just take them back but no after they contacted him he's like just tell him we don't have just tell him we don't have it i've seen an accusation that people are like you know what people on the left they don't even care about these crimes they just want to see him get in trouble i'm gonna say like kind of honestly because these crimes are hilariously severe and what he did was so overt but it's like yeah i mean i'd rather them address like the sexual

assaults and the coup and the things that I actually care about. But like, at this point, I think people are just like seeing him do these blatant things like this and being like, surely they're going to step in. Right. And like, yeah, there's a national security issue here.

But I think it's at this point more of just like wanting to know the system works a little bit. Right. Cause I, yeah. Cause also like when he first you know it was from day one there was like wait this is a crime guy and there's a sort of feeling i whole time like somebody surely somebody will do something about it like there must be some

sort of accountability and none of this would have happened if he just didn't like run for president uh because he didn't want to and he could have kept doing his crimes forever and there wouldn't be any scrutiny on him or spotlight on him but he did and then there was and yeah there's a sense of just like at least something surely you guys think he'll see jail time i don't i don't it seems like we have to figure out a system for putting uh i guess a politician in jail but like i just don't know what they're gonna do about this also like the there's the sorry this is just like this uh feeling of like people like well so if you do this then it's gonna open up to like other presidents

and stuff yeah go for it don't do it part of me is like they're like what how's the secret service gonna work and stuff like that and part of me is like i don't, well, how's the Secret Service going to work and stuff like that? And part of me is like, I don't know, you've done so much crimes, like especially if you get convicted of, you know, like starting the riot or the the light coup stuff where it's like at that point, I don't know if we need to treat you like an ex-president. Like, honestly, like you can just be in jail at that point. It's tough. It's tough. like you can just be in jail at that point it's tough it's tough uh we sort of talked about this at the shoot yesterday with will our director and he asked does it worry you like it's almost if he does get put in prison i don't think that goes over well no and no it really yeah don't know that i want to see what that looks like i'm scared of it not that i don't want him to be held accountable for his many many many many many crimes

there's this question of like you know people talked about how he gets more privilege like the the person the valet that's, you know, also being charged. He got his mugshot taken. He doesn't have. And like to an extent, it's like, I don't know how a president can't have some privilege. Right. That's just something that you have to accept no matter who the president is, because there's so many people they support and such a like it's like yeah it's hard to figure out the logistics like because we never had to like that's the thing we always

assumed well they won't act this overtly criminal so he's really testing that system and it does seem like a really hard question because yeah throwing him in jail sets a precedent and also like will infuriate his supporters in a way that might do bad things for the country right at the same time morally speaking he did crimes and he should go to jail the same way anybody who does crimes right and that's sort of like that sense of like well if we do that then they might want to do this or like uh maybe they'll burn it down you know and like we that's like in a sense that's a little bit of terrorism because you're letting this sort of fear of like well if they're gonna do this then we shouldn't do the thing we should legally do right like well if we if we actually like if we look at the case like yeah he should

probably like go to prison for a little bit but we won't because we're worried about what his supporters will do that also sets a precedent of like well if my supporters are fucked up enough then i can do whatever i want because you're going to be afraid of what they'll do if you do anything to me yeah there was a sort of like we we assumed a lot of boundaries that trump is showing don't exist right it's kind of like when we think about the founding fathers writing the constitution and like thinking about the second amendment and not knowing about like automatic rifles and stuff like that where it's like we sort of assumed if a president in crimes people would just stop supporting that president and accept the reality of it and we wouldn't have to ask the question of like do we like do we have

to like bar them from running again because surely they would just no yeah they would just retire in shame um but what happens when someone breaks the social contracts um and just goes no i'm not gonna do those things never even heard of shame yeah exactly and then their supporters are like i i didn't hear anything did you hear anything nah it's fine he's fine it's like how do we handle something like that um it's it's like we shouldn't have to be thinking about this yeah i don't know i feel like the doj was definitely looking for an opportunity not to do this like even had he given back all the documents and say okay now i'm going to cooperate a little late they'd be like all right there's other stuff coming down right they don't yeah why would they want this yeah yeah i do want to highlight some of the other things people are saying

that the presidential records act allows him to have them or you know that trump has said and this is false it's hilariously false because i've seen on twitter people like share the they'll be like see it says it right here and they'll share the page and the page will say at the beginning like it needs to go to the archivist. And then later they're saying like the part where it says the president is allowed access to. And it's like it's right there in the rule. had he declassified it i guess but then we we have an audio recording where he literally says as president i could have declassified but now i can't oopsie oh but no he did everything right but he did everything right and they indicted him anyway no it's like indicted him sorry we can hear you say that you didn't do everything right i think what are you

doing it's so funny because i think he spent his whole life not seeing consequences right like he could just say things that he did and then when he ran he didn't realize that he can't do that anymore so like it's really funny that he is he is really the end product of a rich white privilege where it's like his brain is such mush because he spent his whole life being allowed to do whatever he wanted without anybody fighting back. So he can't conceive of this new like world where what he did was wrong and he can't just confess. like world where what he did was wrong that he can't just confess and like it's it's like jack nicholson at the end of a few good men where it's like the the ego is so big that he he doesn't he still like it feels like people are still explaining to him like no listen you said it you said the crime you can't unsay it like it but yeah but he'll keep going i mean he because even before he's the president we heard him say when you're famous they let you do it yeah and uh half the country confirmed

to him yeah you're right actually right um and from from there he sort of had this everything everything confirmed that he can do whatever he wants yeah maybe he can it's like he's always living in a version of sneak a kiss day yeah sneak a document and then the other thing that excuse that we have is that those boxes just have shoes and shirts i mean what they may have also include like he may have thrown nuclear secrets in with shoes and shirts it's just so funny keeping your shoes and shirts. It's just so funny. Why are you keeping your shoes and shirts in the bathroom, bro?

But not even like, why are you keep, like all the, like, why are you having boxes? Why don't you unpack your shoes and shirts? Why are there so many shoes and shirts? There's so many boxes. How do you, what do you, what? Show me the fucking shoes and shirts you have in these boxes.

It's so many they're rooms full of boxes so is this does this because i know he he like threw out the idea that they planted the evidence because that's the other thing that it's like it's so overt is that he's just throwing out every yeah whatever excuse like they're all conflicting so is that idea that this was so is this version of events that he at the white house was like i need to take all these shirts and shoes and then they planted evidence they like in them or like but it would have been after the fact right they took the boxes because they knocked one over right right according to trump which is evidence that they

threw a bunch of documents in that's how they do it too if they're trying to sneak a document they him so he has all these boxes and then they raided and they're like well let's put some documents amidst these shoes and shirts what if the clothes he took were also like white house memorabilia he took lincoln's hat or something yeah the uh that uh what the the lizzo flute do you think what happened is when he first moved in the white house someone was like so this is your house now like and they meant it a certain way and he heard it the other way and was just like oh oh this so this is my house okay and he just started grabbing stuff yeah for four years it's your house you can do whatever you want yeah also shirt all these boxes of shirts man you got one shirt i've

seen you i saw you i saw you be the president for four years you have one shirt what are you talking about um i want to talk about the response amongst the GOP specifically, other presidential candidates, because they're in a situation now. You know, how do you play this? Do you say that Trump is a criminal and yes, lock him up? Or do you say that this is political? or do you say that this is political i mean it's just but there there are definitely except for chris christie walking a tight rope here it's very again very funny it's very funny what he's done here because they want you know they want to run against him but they know his supporters are like really intense right they also want to be the vice president if they can yeah uh and i i think this happens uh the democrats too like it's it's a political game

right where it's like they all have to run against each other and they all have to say like i'm better than this person this person's bad but then once they've decided they have to be like actually i love this person it's fine and it's a really funny uh process but then you add trump and everything that comes with trump and it's just so like amplified yeah it's impossible yeah there's i think they're like 2016 what a bygone era uh there are two i think perfect examples of that obviously the lindsey graham tweet of like if we uh nominate donald trump uh like our party's over right like i forget the exact phrasing but he says it all and he's right it's just taking a while um but then there's this marco rubio clip

uh towards the end of the primary and he is so sad um and it's like clearly it's like early in the morning or something and they're just like hounding him because it's some awful thing that trump said recently might have been the access hollywood tape and they're like uh so you know after all this are you gonna you still gonna support uh whoever like is a nomination nominee trump and he just like takes a moment he's like it's getting harder every day yep but then he won and it got easier every day there's this uh yeah so i've been watching this show called ds99. The point of that station is that the Cardassians are occupying it at some points. And there's people who just live on it, like Quark the bartender, who's a Ferengi. So they do something where like when the Federation is taking over, they're fighting to not be occupied.

But once they're occupied, he has to serve them and he has to be like okay i guess i'm making money with you guys and so it's kind of like that which is like it feels like they fought it to the bitter end of like please no please no please no and then the moment he got the nomination they're like okay i guess now he's our guy we got to get behind him interesting is there seems to be some sort of learning that has happened from last time because well i mean right now i'm not seeing very many people who are we can't have trump again this man despite all the provable crimes this stuff we're talking about only chris christie um you know nikki nikki haley trying to get hanged yeah not even mike pence he says i can't believe politics didn't play some role here that's a nice way to talk around it um nikki haley you know last week was talking about president

prosecutorial overreach but then also talking about how this if this is true it's incredibly reckless with the national security but then also that she would pardon him if she were president and it's like oh it is it's a tightrope um but yeah chris christie oh yeah there's they all are saying a similar thing the stance but yeah chris christie has been the most anti-trump he called trump's handling of the documents inexcusable uh also referred to him as vengeful completely self-consumed and a three time loser. I heard another clip, not in regards to this, but why he's running. And basically he's like, get me up on that stage. I'll do to him what I did to Marco Rubio. That's the thing.

Is that something that helps you sleep at night? Is that you're like, I'm doing this just so that i can have access so that i can go up there and debate him no you did that for your own political gain and your own um opportunism your own time at the beach what are you gonna say cody oh just uh it's gonna be interesting when the actual primary like really ramps up and there is a debate because uh they're all being like you know like this desantis is like we can't we can't have that like he's protecting trump in a very funny way um but and himself and himself and himself but like as soon as they get on stage trump is not gonna give a fuck about them

or the fact that they're like quote unquote defending him he's gonna go after them pretty viciously it's the murder you still have to be like yeah they will that's true but i would say that a lot of their motivation at this point with statements like this is mostly so that they have they can keep their hat in the ring because the person it's not it's less about what trump's gonna say they probably know it at this point no i'm just saying like i just think it's gonna be interesting but when i say that i really just mean funny when they're on stage and like they are because they can it's easier i think to play this game knowing like all right it's a mega party now this is how it is they tried to hang me i gotta play along and it's easy to do that i think in like press releases or tweets and things like that and like trump's not even on twitter so he's not like not like in attack mode except when he's talking about how he did

everything right but they indicted me and all that kind of stuff and offering people lunch and they're not paying for it but eventually they're gonna be on stage with him like the the actual like the confrontation hasn't happened yet and they're sort of playing along and i just think it's gonna be interesting to see how they deal with actually being attacked by him because he's not gonna hold back on any of them because they made these statements yeah he's created trump is i don't know if he's on a purpose not has created a great political situation within his own party like obviously uh not with the democrats but it's like it's like he's a child trying to fight them all and they can't legally fight back.

Right, because you can't. You can't. Yeah, exactly. Like, what are you doing? Yeah, so it's that concept where it's like he can go after them and they feel like they absolutely can't. They've been held hostage here. Yeah, and they know.

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What is he doing? Going from a talk radio host complaining about Mulan to the vice president, I guess governor for a while, and the vice president, and then the, like, just like- Don't gloss over shutting down all those planned parenthoods and starting an hiv epidemic outbreak oh yeah i'm glossing over that i apologize right over that but just like he's doing he's saving face right because he can't he can't like disappear well he's not like in our minds this is one where it's like just write a book man just write a book uh he might also like it might be a thing. Like, I don't know.

There's so many funny ways this could go because there is a world. I think obviously I don't know if I've talked about this on the show yet, but the funniest thing Pence could possibly do is do the debates. And whenever like any topic comes up, like immigration, Medicare, like anything, just sort of veer it to like. But the important thing thing we need to ban calling for the vice president to be hanged like that's his like is one issue to protect vps everywhere every conversation sort of veer it to like but the important thing is clearly every time trump is on stage he flinches when he sees him yeah but maybe he's gonna you know really go after trump uh when he's actually on the stage

i i don't think so because he's clearly i don't think he has the constitution for that it is interesting i guess saving face is a good i just say in his mind in his mind i just have to imagine he he the only reason he was ever vp was because he wants to be president and he's like well damn it mother i'm not giving up on this we also we wrote about this he was broke yes mike pence was completely about that yeah he's a grifter he what he like again the talk radio thing people don't think about that with him but it's like he's just a radio grifter who like nobody wanted to be the vp for trump why would they and he found this guy who was just in debt at the time he had already gotten in trouble for using like campaign funds to like pay off a uh a loan or something so yeah he's just a grifter who knew to keep his mouth

shut that's it and everybody's like he's so serious and it's like no he's terrified and just quiet right and now because also like no one else wanted that job like no one was like i'll be donald trump's vice president but yeah he found a guy who's like i i need i needed the money but like what like you're saying like just write a book you'll make the money that way well and i guess at this point in time despite what everybody's saying and not calling for trump to actually you know serve time but you you got to imagine they're hoping it happens and they're throwing their hat in the ring ring to see like look this is wild obviously he's still leading d santa's by like over 25 points but like if we take this guy out it's a free-for-all who the fuck knows what'll happen so i have to

imagine there's an element of that like well why not this could be my one shot oh yeah my one opportunity uh mom's spaghetti all of it yeah yeah because there's a there is that sort of yeah i think there's this hope like well maybe by by the time like we really get to voting he'll be in prison or dead right like there's i think that's probably also like with like with biden we're like well maybe biden will die and then uh you know we'll slip in so i think there is that sort of sense of like yeah there's a game of thrones element because maybe the timing will work out otherwise and it could be when i myself for a few months and then that'll be that and they could pretend to be upset about the thing exactly yeah like right because they're all positioning themselves of like and if anything happens to

our hero donald trump i will continue the cause exactly although there are i think like nicki haley is one is trying to there's like there are these two tracks that you can run for where it's like i'm donald trump the second i'm the second guy uh whenever he's gone i'll do it there's the maga route and then there's like the reasonable like uh we're gonna recalibrate yeah we need to like nicki haley's doing that we haven't won the popular vote and it's like no one else is saying that yeah and like it feels like chris christie i don't know if he's running but he seems to be going of the fuck him fuck trump yes and it's like he is running and i don't know if he's seriously running but he's running enough that he wants to be on a debate stage

yeah and like none of the like none of those tracks you know the one track that works is being donald trump exactly i assume there's a lot of like people looking at these numbers and going to these people like i don't know man just flip a coin i guess because it it's and we're also it's also the fact that nobody thought he was going to win before so i think it's it's resonating with everybody because i'm also like i don't know like does he have a shot so yeah this is something i wanted to if covid didn't happen he might have won right again right there's a lot of talk about you know not that many protesters showing up outside you know his arraignment it hasn't been some big thing

conversely the last time't been some big thing. Conversely, the last time there was a big thing, a lot of people got arrested. I think that what we might, like in 2020, everybody was Felton Bolden, he was still president and people were showing up. But I'm worried that we've reverted back to a 2016 thing where people don't want to say their true thoughts, that people don't want to say their true thoughts that people don't want to and that we actually don't know how many people are going to end up supporting

they still be the same way and i know everyone's got to be sick of my anecdotes but it just at least in this town that i live in i get that vibe that it's more like a understated it's gone underground a little bit but that it's still there yeah it's still there but i don't know i don't know what it's going to shake out as against joe biden no one wants to vote for joe biden my mom doesn't even want to vote for joe biden she's like this is he's so unexciting well he's yeah it's just also like it's just and i don't want to be like no one old can do anything he's so old and tired yeah uh and i especially worry about like if it is trump like what's because those debates 2020 were horrific horrific what a terrible time for everybody it's gonna be so much worse Yeah. This is the part of why I'm like, I don't know, man.

Because I remember those debates and I was like, God, they're so, you know, like, why would you vote for Biden? And it's like, oh, crap, he's going to get it again, isn't he? And then, of course, Biden won. And it was like, oh, good. But also, really? Yeah. Oh, OK.

Like, I just can't tell anymore with these two just old honkies that are just so fucking they're yeah they're they're just yeah it's a it's kind of a surreal period of politics where it's like no it's just biden that's it and he was vice president you're like the fact that he's even there is weird a little bit still and again it's still gonna vote for the guy be if he's the one running because it's just about a sensible decision which is the worst kind of decision yeah i worry yes and i worry that so many people are exhausted by this and put off by all of the politics, bye bye and all of it, that it's not the same big emergency that 2020 felt like, like we have to get this guy out and that just in

general voter turnout will be down and that nobody's going to feel like it matters or whatever. And I don't know. I think that I have have become more i've always been an anxious person but like the you know i'm feel primed for things like that right now and i don't know if that's necessarily true though because of course i don't know this is just no i just mean like the sense of like it won't people will feel like it doesn't matter a just because it's like it's so early days but also but also if it is trump the nominee just like people don't like people people do like him worried people fucking hate i'm just worried that the amount of people that really fucking hate him and that they're gonna come up show up to vote anyway aren't but

of course there's no way to know until we get there folks right i won't even trust polling up until the day this is you know or not even cornell west green party is that who you're going for we'll see we'll see i i have faith that people are lazy in a good way which is that i think the problem with trump is everybody has to think about this all the damn time when he was president it was like oh my god i'm so sick of wondering what went wrong today and having to hear about it and his his fans are so intense that it's just like you know every day it feels like you're at like a like a football game where people are screaming and painting their faces and it's just it's so overwhelming that I feel like part of the appeal of Joe Biden was like, ah, look at that white bread. Like, he's fine.

He's he's let's just go with him because we don't have to think about him, which is how most presidents are able to do insidious things. Right. is like de santis or one of these other chuckle fucks who are more like muted seeming running against biden and that feels to me like they'd have more of a chance only yeah trump is such a loud extreme flavor that it's like we've already sort of it's hard to imagine him winning more people over right so like no one's like oh i suddenly like trump at this point uh it's just the people who like him are gonna like him and so like someone new has that opportunity of flipping i agree with you that's something i worry about yeah as well cody we've talked about that a little bit, but you don't think DeSantis is inspiring enough to fill those big clown shoes. Yeah, I don't know. I think there's a because there's the MAGA track, which is what DeSantis is trying to go for, obviously.

But I think that there's this sort of like copy of a copy element to him where he's like doing this bad impression and also he is like Trump is off-putting and weird and he's got a weird voice and a weird way of talking but there is an entertainment factor to it DeSantis just seems kind of like a pathetic loser yeah he's just kind of mean

yeah like he seems he's like there's an unpleasantness to him that I think is pretty off-putting and I think it worked like he works in Florida. But I think once you lift him to a national stage and have like reporters asking him questions and like actual like the national like here's the scrutiny that you are going to get from trying to be the president. I just don't think he has the juice. And I still haven't seen that he does. But but again, who knows what's going to happen? I just think that he specifically

is like you're kind of weird in a way that isn't entertaining it's yeah it's easier to forget about trump but he is a relatable uh person maybe not to us necessarily but like i still remember the when he was accused of like i don't know like going down these stairs and like being feeble and old and holding the the guys for like help. I remember he gave a speech later and he was like, I had terrible shoes on. And like he described it in a very fun, self-deprecating way where it's like, yeah, see, that's a very relatable way of talking about it. Is that he didn't try to like maintain face, which is, again, weird for Trump, who's such an ego. He kind of knows how to talk like a human and explain stuff.

So, like, we forget that, that, like, he is relatable to people. He can be, yeah. And I don't think, yeah, I don't think DeSantis can, really. Yeah, DeSantis just seems like he's all hate in this very alien way. Yeah. And I think also there's a vagueness to, like, you know, I'm sure we all have seen that clip of Trump being like, you people love when I talk about the transgender. Right.

And you didn't before. But now I say and you freak out. And so there is sort of like a weird, like vague dismissiveness from Trump. Right. Knowing that like this isn't necessarily the winning issue. Whereas DeSantis is like, I'm all in on this. We're the woke. They're anti-woke state where woke goes to die and all this sort of stuff.

And I don't think that people, the most people like that. You know, I just don't think that, I think that the wind, the direction of the wind that he thinks it's going, I think he's wrong. Right. Trump is pushing, he's saying, he did the thing where he's like, they keep saying woke. They don't know what it means. But then later he uses it to talk about wokeness. So there's this contradiction that Trump always has, but he has this weird superpower that it doesn't matter. Democrats, Republican that could be out there is someone who kind of dismisses the woke stuff, but doesn't, you know, because they have to pander to that doesn't fully. And it would just come out and be like, I'm just going to be simple here. I'm going to bring us back to things. I'm

going to take this seriously. Like I could see someone like that actually going against Trump, like just being like, I'm, I'm i'm gonna i'm gonna stop with the woke stuff as much as they think that's gonna work because yeah i do think there's an appeal with trump kind of not i mean i don't even know what trump's running on at this point i don't that's the other thing is they've they've lost all that right like they don't really have any policies they're running on he's running on like the eminem effect he's running on it feels so empty without me right you're gonna try to get desantis to do the same stuff but desantis can't go up there and say oh a guy came up to me big guy straight from central casting it's awkward

with trump he excites them and they just want to feel the way they felt he's a criminal but he is authentic in who he is he can also just go up on that stage and be like i got you three support supreme court justices right i got you three so give me another chance if he was all of a sudden i support medicare for all and free college for everyone would you vote for him no no i've i've asked this question before is what if trump ran as a democrat but he won't believe it like what like if trump had run as a democrat and got the nomination somehow i don't think he would have but again who knows and believed the same things and was just a crim as much of a criminal he he probably would have been embraced more than we like right but of course he doesn't believe in

those things that's the same where i'm like oh what would take for me to vote for a republican well they'd have to accept that lgbtq people have rights they'd have to uh want to push for things like universal basic income and as i paint this picture i'm like oh i'm uh describing a progressive yeah like i'm not describing like yeah it would take them deciding to adopt, to change their party's platform because they see that that's where the votes are. I guess my point would require them to be like, I'm leaving the Republican Party, right? But from a non, like, not from my own personal perspective, I guess what I'm thinking is Trump is all vibes and no policy. DeSantis is just like wokeness, wokeness. And like it's showing if someone came up there and said i'm just a serious person here's what i want to do about

immigration here's what i want to do about taxes here i want to do about abortion rights and all that even if what they're saying is something i personally didn't like they might get a big response absolutely by just being like i have a plan and this is what it is everybody but all sides not literally everybody there is we've been talking about his super fans all afternoon but um i would say that most people want a reasonable candidate on both sides and they don't have one i mean you don't think so well i've talked to so many people that well so i do i don't i think that the like the the guy you're talking about dave this like reasonable person i think that has the possibility of like taking hold in the absence of trump yes if trump

exists then that doesn't like who you're describing is Mitt Romney. I'm not saying that I'm waiting for that person to clear. I'm saying that people feel distressed about their options of Biden or Donald Trump. I think right now it's just about who has the ball. And that's what's distressing people is right now. It's like they're running on. Give me the ball. That's it. Like you said, the Supreme Court, where it's like they're not running on policies and like,

how are we going to do something? They just are like, don't you want your team in power? We want the power. We want the power. And they're not saying what they're going to do with it, except for, I guess, limiting human rights, which isn't again, it's going to be popular with some people, hopefully not most people and so like i think that's distressing because then the democrats are also running on like do you really

want these people in power yeah and so it's all about give us the ball and it feels so that they don't have it yeah the question is won't it be if wouldn't it be refreshing if someone was like if i have the ball here's what i do here are the plays exactly yeah um and i don't i hope that would be refreshing to people but right now it's all about like yeah we we want to be in power so we can stack the court so we can do all this stuff so we can be more and more in power to what end unclear to have the power yeah unclear except for helping rich people and you know the the but like in terms of how are they going to help regular people completely no they're going to cut medicare and there's a lot of people and this trumpism of it all the literally painting your faces and dressing up has made it this team sport that they're not

even like trump has harnessed a good amount of base that is just caring about winning or losing yeah and so like they don't know what to do with that because all of a sudden they don't really have to run on anything um and nor democrats don't really have to either if they get to run on yeah anti-trump right right they could still they can do both but it's so much easier to yeah so there is i think a contingency for like for like a de santis like obviously there are people in his corner who like are in the media who really like the all the daily wire crew clearly want de santis there are people who are pushing him but this is not taking because they let trump

be the guy for for so many years that like they've lost it and now i think there are people who want the reasonable person but i think that trump train uh has like it's not it's not happening and i think that there aren't enough people who do want that to sort of veer uh everybody who don't want that at all i don't know i guess i don't know i don't know what my answer would be to the question i posed you that started this little detour but i was thinking recently climate change just feels like a real gimme in infrastructure and tying it to that if the republican party was all of a sudden all in that climate change is real and we need to act now and we need to build our roads we need to figure out this what we need to figure out water

we need to do all these things to prepare i don't know i absolutely do not know the answer but if somebody was actually because that actually you can tie that that's an existential threat to the world existential threat to the world and you can i can see that path if they decided to do it, because it is about like investing in American jobs and stuff. There is a whole way that that could have gone. And I don't know. It's that's that's an interesting question, because if I actually believed that would be the first. That's the other thing. If if a republican

came up and said i'm dropping all the anti-woke stuff i'm letting gay and trans people exist and i'm gonna focus on something like climate change that might present that will certainly uh win them over a lot of americans that they wouldn't have i think it would but they're not going to do that they're not well they're not because also the issue with that is that like once they say that then they're like they're not they're just not a republican anymore like this this this scenario is an interesting thought experiment but it's i think it's just impossible because as soon as they say those things they're not a republican anymore that's the thing i have to say like like what like the entire rest of the party is going to be like, who are you?

Get out of here. We don't want to do those things. Well, I guess what I'm really saying is like, if you get Donald Trump up there, who forces that. Oh yeah, he can change. He can do anything. That's what I mean. Like you get the right person into a place and it, this is such a thought experiment.

It's not even worth the time. It's just something I've thought about lately well it does sorry it does it does feel like there was a time where like we like you know there were these little sweet spots where like we weren't talking about uh gay marriage or trans rights like that's the thing it doesn't sound that unobtainable if they like dropped abortion was another one where it's like anything about human rights if this was literally about debating how we tax people and then the agreement was like yeah on things with like of course climate change is real like of course human rights uh should be for everybody like i still wouldn't necessarily agree with republican values but it might be a lot um more interesting of a decision with their if it's like oh you know maybe this this term we can stand like it always just feels like right now so goddamn apocalyptic

um when there's this also disconnect now especially always but like now especially of like at least you know you have general goals that are common and you disagree on how to accomplish those goals like well the republicans want to do this democrats want to do this to accomplish this thing that we are all kind of like yeah we should do something about climate change or do something you know and uh but now it's just like the realities don't exist together anymore there's no there's no common reality or goal uh other than the team sport aspect of it you know it's like yeah deep space night no actually it's not i was actually gonna say it's like the dcu or mcu which is that we're now hitting that point where it's so meta and there's multiverses and it's everywhere. There's all these conflicting things.

That feels like the Republican Party where it's like there's so many factions and it's so many weird levels. I do think they just kind of need a reboot. They need to recalibrate and say like, OK, let's drop this issue, this issue, this issue. Let's focus on this. let's drop this issue, this issue, this issue. Let's focus on this and let's like, that's what they really need to do if they want to survive. Cause it really does feel like ultimately this isn't a sustainable. It might, which,

which isn't a comfort in that like they're going to do a lot of damage before they disappear. But at this point, this is a crumbling party. It's it's fracturing in a million pieces. Something's going to break here and it it's gonna hurt a lot of people when it like before it happens but like you know i'm not here to save or fix their party but like that's kind of what they need to do right yeah as they get older and die off as the new generations get more you know woke well that's the thing it's like it's sustainable for them until donald trump dies yeah exactly right and once he's gone then it's gonna fall apart and like

you know like you're saying like yeah the younger generations maybe they're like more reasonable younger republicans or like groipers could take over the party exactly that's like there are all these directions it could go marjorie taylor green could be the face of it. Or Mitt Romney comes back. Stronger than ever. You know what we should do? Let's all get behind Mike Pence.

Yeah. I think we might be out of time. I'm not sure. But we sure did talk Trump. Oh, we did. All day. All day. Oh, we've avoided him aside from every once in a while when he says something we've done a pretty good job but we're back in the saddle baby well

how could we not first primary uh debate it's in august it's coming up oh yeah what day uh i want to say like the 27th but i'm not sure i thought it's either early or late august i forget we're sometime in the middle it's unsure it's unsure but it is august and it's either early or late August. I forget. We're sometime in the middle. It's unsure. It's unsure, but it is August and it's coming. Good. That's what a treat. I don't even like meatballs. Look. I hope he says that.

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