Some More News - Insurrection: The Recollection, Omicron, and Even More News

Episode Date: January 7, 2022

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hello and welcome back to even more news the first and only news podcast my name is katie stoll no arguments with that hi i'm cody johnston that's the name johnston welcome to 2022 yeah baby thank you so much smoking smoking okay somebody podcast bought me that's a reference to a video you guys have not seen yet but you will understand next week yeah you love pre-references joining us this week is actor director and comedian and musician noel wells and writer producer former speech writer am i getting that correct flint no but i like it no you weren't or you've you've used to do some political writing stuff i i worked let me educate you on your life no i mean that was a dream my name is john fabra I worked on the Hill. I was once a doctoral candidate in political science.

And while I was there, I worked for the Democrats in the House Ways and Means Committee. So he's qualified to be here more so than any of us. He's qualified to write speeches if you wanted to. Yeah, you are to, Flynn. Yeah, you are. Thank you. I did get disillusioned and left pretty quickly and dropped out of graduate school. So qualifications pending.

Okay. Well, sounds like you're very qualified to be on this then. So you guys are new here. And generally, we start by acknowledging the holiday, whatever holiday it is. It's always a holiday. But today, we are acknowledging that this is January 6th. Happy January 6th. 9-11 too. 9-11, the redux.

Yeah, the anniversary of the Capitol storming. And so, before we get into the rest in episode we're gonna we're gonna talk about that like everyone else is today it's wild to think back uh well okay i'll just start what was your guys's experiences of that day you know i i myself am finding my i i keep being like this is when it was happening and i remember like the visceral feelings that i had and what came up for me and i'm curious if you guys are experiencing that. Well, I woke up to a text message from Flint with from with literally with a screenshot of our conversation. So from last year, last year. So he so Flint has to just tell me what's happening in the news all the time because I'm very sensitive and just can't look at

it. And yeah, he's like the buffer. He like he synthesizes it he gives it to me so he has to tell me that the capital riot is happening um let me read exactly i should have just had it already pulled up but it was he said we were waiting to do a meeting and he goes by the way the cap just by the way by the way the capital is under assault from trump supporters my response was very casually in what sense yeah like it's a good follow-up yeah then i followed up with the clarification then i followed up with another text which was like they just are there and his response is no they've literally broached the capital and house members are sheltered in their offices then i casually respond with guns and then i respond they are literally terrorists and then his response was oh now they're attacking the

police haven't seen guns but i'm sure they have they have them. And then my response to that is just sad. Nothing surprises me. Yeah. So that's where I was emotionally. Yeah. I do remember very naively for 24 hours saying this will change everything. Just anyone who was like,

so what are the implications of this and i was like you know what there there is a bridge too far and this is it yeah and it turns out there was i feel about that i know i remember thinking something like if anything if anything would show us that this is that if anything was too far, this will be it. And it wasn't. Of course not. I was getting the final part of my root canal and the woman, the dentist had the TV on. So I was having all this work happening and watching it above me. And it was horrifying. We were supposed to record Worst year ever that day And did not

Because it was too much Anyway Yeah Nothing changes But the root canal Must go on The root canal Has come on

Honestly guys She also replaced A filling that day And it popped out So not good work We were all Like that day No no

Recently Like it's been Less For the anniversary year. Yeah. So did you guys see Biden's speech this morning? Flint, you're the one most likely people watch Biden. No, I started to and I turned it off. I am probably one of probably the only Biden stand on this.

That's why we wanted you here. Representation. He represents the geriatric demo. One way that I found myself continuing, like to be the ultimate Biden stan, I found one thing I can do is never listen to a Biden speech. Sure, that's good advice.

Biden is, there is a version of Biden in my head. I don't really know what the reality is anymore, but in my head, he is so wonderful. And he is doing such an incredible job. And I will check in, you know, via other people's tweets or via the news of the day. But no one really wants to see a Biden speech, like even those of us who love him

i don't believe that we do uh i find it painful i feel yeah when i feel like he it's like he's doing an impression of like a i don't know like a president who's also like like wanted to be clint eastwood at some point in his life that's that's how I feel every time I watch him talk. He can't go out there and do his network moment and be like, it's over. It didn't work out here. There's going to be a coup in your lifetimes. We're not going to solve any of the problems. You don't want him to.

I'm trying really hard, but I just can't fucking do it. He's not going to come out and level with us like that. That's what he wants to say, but he can't. So, well, here's the quote that I want to bring forward right now. Those who stormed this Capitol and those who instigated and incited and those who called on them to do so held a dagger at the throat of America and American democracy. They came here in rage, not in the service of America, but rather in the service of one man.

And I think that part of my frustration and what I'm thinking about a lot over the past year, but especially this week, is how consequences only go to the people that found themselves there. And listening to interviews with people, I don't believe that people are innocent completely, but they, you know, they are not the ones that incited this. A lot of people that face charges and have lost their jobs and their livelihoods and their families, their communities were there and kind of went along with it. And I'm not defending them, but I'm also saying that they're not the people that are the problem. And that's literally the only consequence that we probably will see from that day. And so when I see Biden up there being angry and like everyone's cheering him, the angry Biden, angry Biden on Twitter, I'm like,

sure. I mean, I hear your point, Flint. I also feel very frustrated at the continual lack of accountability. And I don't know that he's the one to do it. I understand the situation. Oh, he's not. But it is frustrating and it is hard to watch. I agree with your premise. No, I agree with your premise completely. What?

We're always fighting on text and now we get here and you're saying something I'm nodding my head at. Um, I, on the one hand, you're a hundred percent right. The only people facing consequences for that day are the people who were are more likely to control the House in 2022, are more likely to pull off a coup. And I was actually thinking about the Elizabeth Holmes verdict, which seems like a strange connection, except they're both grifters, I guess, Trump and Elizabeth Holmes. But she was convicted on, she was found not guilty on every count of defrauding patients and found guilty of defrauding the devoss family yes exactly i mean it's just that is the world we live in is is the the we care about the powerful we protect the powerful and she was even found not guilty of intention to defraud customers. You're like, what?

I believe I maybe I'm making that up. But yeah, you're right. It's incredibly frustrating. And it's also frustrating to see the different. I mean, the fact that so many people do still believe that the election was stolen. So many people on the right immediately latched on to different storylines as to what actually happened. And to your point earlier, no, this isn't the point, the moment in time where things have gone too far. It's just a continual fracturing of reality.

The flip side of it is there is almost no way to hold the people responsible accountable. Like that is kind of on the voters who will not do it for reasons we could talk about that you guys know well. But there's almost no there's not a really if you if you attacked it legally, you know, people who are always yelling about like Merrick Garland should do this, or look at Trump's call to the Georgia Secretary of State. That seems like it's clearly illegal, and it probably is illegal. What are you going to do? You're going to arrest Trump and put him on trial? There is no mechanism for holding the powerful accountable that is reasonable in a divided society.

Yeah. Especially when those people specifically have, like, no shame and have been sort of building up this badwill, I guess, for many, many years where, like, it just sort of slides off them and their cult continues. And we hold the cultists accountable but not the people running the cult like oh yeah keep the cult going for sure we'll arrest some of these guys but you continue your little your little play i wonder why i mean is it it's just it's just because it's harder it's easier to go after little people that got confused and caught up in a web of lies and it's much harder to you know i don't get it i guess part of it cowardice or is it really that the laws are so what what what are the what are the avenues to hold them accountable and why haven't we gone down them

or do they not exist well like one one problem with it too is like with like with this specific incident like there are all these sort of claims like like with a powerpoint situation there's that powerpoint where they talk about like here's what we're gonna say about the election it wasn't presented like we know it's bullshit and we know we're lying but here are the lies we're gonna tell it was presented as though they really believe this stuff. So there's just it's harder in some ways to like legally be like, look, they lied. They knew it was fake. And like these were they were selling their lies. Right.

As opposed to like, well, they believed that they were defending democracy. Yeah. But didn't isn't that the same argument for everybody who stormed the Capitol? They also believe that they were defending democracy. for everybody who stormed the Capitol, they also believe that they were defending democracy and yet they're being... So I think a lot of people who stormed the Capitol get misdemeanor charges for trespassing or...

Like assault and various... But they're also, their names dragged through. Like there's been this like, you know, we're all outing the people that... Internet sleuths finding and doxing people. And so then it's it's bigger than just even, you know, trespassing charges. Thank you guys for explaining the news to me. Hi.

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I'm sure people listening probably have similar questions. I mean, I just, I'm just so definitely, I'm just so sad at this point, like that just, I mean that we are so divided and I'm, I'm always,

you know, Flynn has, I think we've gotten to this point where we're not, I think you were talking about this, Cody, we're not engaging with people who are operating on the same value system of reality. They're actually like mutated, like their morality is mutated. They're engaged on a different power level. Like it's kind of slippery, almost, you know, it's like swampy.

So at any cost, right. You know, at any cost, they'll do it. It's, we're no longer operating with people that are operating with the same, with the same intentions of wanting to be in power to make our country better.

They want to be empowered just to have power because they're bad people who just want power for the sake of power. And money, right. I, I always think about this story just to push back slightly noelle um i was like whoa okay let's get interesting no i certainly at the leadership level i wholeheartedly agree with you the value system is so wildly different okay then I can withdraw the point no but what was your point but you can push back on me I love

not my experience so when my when Trump was president do we I don't know how there feels like there should be a word after you say that to make the first sentence like we cross out like Jews in Hebrew school we cross out the name Hitler

if we say it feel like it needs to be something or if we write it we can't cross out Jews do not have the power to cross out I went to Hebrew school and never had to had occasion to write Hitler on a piece of paper. We just were instructed not to write Hitler very much.

I'm rethinking my Hebrew school education. It's a very valid point. So I, it was maybe 2017, my grandmother, it was like her 92nd or 93rd birthday. And I went to Chicago to visit her. And all I'd heard about was this incredible, wonderful woman who had been taking care of my grandmother who had like light Alzheimer's. I don't know if that's a term. And it was all alone in the world and this woman was just a miracle worker she was like the kindest most wonderful person who made like the end of my grandmother's life wonderful and she was so kind and i remember having dinner with her and i don't know how it came up i can't quite remember but at some point she she just was like so how

about that trump and i was like so taken aback and she was like i mean how about that Trump? And I was like, so taken aback. And she was like, I mean, I know people, a lot of people don't like him, but immigrants are just killing so many people and thank God he's stopping them from getting across the border. And I started pulling things up on my phone and trying to talk to her rationally about how that's just not true. And it was such an interesting moment for me, just this realizing how much propaganda she had bought and how in her personal life, she was such a deeply kind and giving and compassionate person.

Yeah. This is why, but this is why I would never attack people who I really don't think it's. How do I say this? Like, I agree with you. Like, I've had conversations like one on one with my my friend's parents who are like, what was the Hillary chant? It's like they're just always talking about her. You know, lock her up.

You know, she you know, they buy they just watch Fox News all day. It's not their fault, but it is the people's fault who are on Fox News and they have a directive to just lie. And, you know, it's like, yeah, they know they're doing it. It's literally their business model to just completely, completely spin. It's just morphed into this thing. And so I would never in a million years think, you know, it's just like falling for conspiracy theories. I find it such a waste of time to be mad at people who who don't know what the truth is because that's the whole point of leadership is to help people process reality because reality is complex and you don't have the proper leaders in place or

leaders that that people connect with they're gonna just sort of find people that that they do connect with and yeah trump to her like played on some fears or whatever, whatever model of reality that seemed real to her. He felt like a savior type. Right. But it's the leadership that's perverted, because if Trump was not a bad person, then we just have had Trump, you know, we just have Trump as president. And you get what I'm saying? And well, then he wouldn't have been the president probably. That might be true.

But what if he was saying all of these things and he really believed it, but even though he was wrong, but deep down inside, he thought he was being a good leader. He thought that he was going to represent the American people. You know, he just so happened to be in and over his head. It would just be totally different versus a man who is just truly a con artist who has spent his whole life just taking advantage of people and does anything to stay in power and keep power. And then not only that, he's being supported by a whole ilk of people who do that. That's different. I don't understand that. There's some perversion there.

It's like people willfully doing this. But on the other hand. Okay. And this is going to Sorry, I hope If I'm saying anything too inflammatory, guys,

like, don't come at me. No, no, no. I just, I care. I personally care for everyone. You know, vote for me. I want to hear what Flint has to say, but I agree with you

and I'll circle back to that. Go ahead, Flint. Just insert a little friction since we're all getting along too well. So it also works the other way. So like, did that did my grandmother's caretaker get that from Trump and start repeating it? take or get that from Trump and start repeating it? Or was Trump's genius understanding what the base wanted and what was being said among the base and repeating it? And if you look at vaccines, it's a perfect example.

You're right. I mean, he sees an opportunity. He saw what people what certain some people thought and fanned those flames. And that's what demagogues do. Pull back and say that. fan those flames and that's what demagogues do pull back and say that i mean i agree leaders and all this but there's this whole system in place to uh manipulate people the media politicians all of it and it's true that i don't understand the everyday fears and hurdles and obstacles of someone living in a completely different part of the country.

And they won't necessarily think that what I think is best is what they think is best. And it's very easy for them to be manipulated in that environment without exposure to other things. But it is both. It is them saying like, what can we exploit? And then making it an issue. For example, I mean, you could just go back and look at abortion. That wasn't a right wing talking point until some people were upset and they say this tracks and that becomes a party platform. But yeah, like I would say growing up, I'm from Texas and what it is now,

it was nothing like that when I was a kid. And I lived all over Texas and met all sorts of people. And even, you know, this idea of I think we're just now it's now the country's like they're just people that are outwardly racist now. Right. Like it's and while that maybe have been an undercurrent, like when I was growing up, people weren't like that in Texas outwardly. an undercurrent like when i was growing up people weren't like that in texas outwardly and not even i would even argue like perception like not even like there weren't even that many undercurrents and now i like i hear things i've never heard before coming out of people's mouths and you're just like where did that come from i'll say that always there or is it perhaps it was but perhaps us we're all i'm highly aware that we're all white people here.

And I have this conversation with myself too, has this like, I'm only part though, just, I like to point out, I just look at, but that's okay. Yeah. But you know, like, like perhaps my awareness was such that I didn't notice things in the same way that I do now. But I do think, but I do agree with your point like like people are are so dug in into their uh camps that it's almost like standing your ground i get to say this or like leaning into it even more and so well i just want to say like from for me from my point of view like texas was very diverse from like the towns and the schools i went to very diverse and you would never say the i mean like right right you wouldn't say the things that you know even trump

says that you it just it was just totally unacceptable and not only that those were people in your community right not everybody thought like that there were obviously rich people that i never encountered and maybe because I was at a different socioeconomic class like it was a little bit all like we're all in this together but I can only imagine then like how the unrest trickles down even to that level where it's like no we are in the same camp but suddenly you're going to be the enemy because you're a different skin color or you're taking my piece of the pie and that's and that's how far down it goes. And those economic disparities, like becoming these flashpoints of like blaming people.

Now I just sound like a, like a person that is talking in a college class that doesn't know what they're talking about. So I'll just shut up. No you don't. This is purely anecdotal. I'm just saying like, there are things,

there are things that take my breath away now where I'm like, Oh my God, it's so ugly. And so, and it's just, it's coming out and it's coming out of people And you're like is it really them Did they ever have this thought Before this point in time or is it just The point in time we're in and they feel

Like that's the answer I don't know There is definitely an emboldening He was speaking to people who heard him And were like yes this But also there's an element I think Of where like He said you know he's talking about

Like oh he's saying the quiet part loud now and that's True for a lot of the things Like about the Republican party But it's also true of just sort of like a lot of American Things like there was a period I think in the early Years of Trump where like He would do or say something and There'd be this like big like liberal outrage of like this oh my god i can't believe he did that and uh then it turns out it's like well that's just a thing the presidents have

done that's a thing and he's saying it more rudely he's being more brazen and unpleasant about it because he's an unpleasant person to half the country. But it's still stuff that like, well, we do that. Even now we're like, you know, saying like immigrants don't come here. Like the doors are closed, but we're saying a little more politely this time. You know, it's interesting about you saying like he would say something

and then liberals would be like, I mean that I did just describe the reaction. Like I have those reactions, which also means that he plays into just those like part of his power is just doing that is like we give him oxygen he's getting a reaction a positive reaction no matter which way you slice it right because he's because he's a narcissist and the best way to deal with them is just to gray rock so don't give them any reactions like let him say what are you gonna do is just to gray rock.

So don't give them any reactions. Like, let him say these terrible things. But just... Obviously, Trump isn't president anymore. So we're now dealing with new people who are just going to ride this wave. Not for now. Well, we'll see. But, you know, we'll see.

I'm joking, I hope. Tell me if you guys disagree with this. But I feel like all of America has basically become Joe Rogan. And what I mean by that is not the horrible ideas of Joe Rogan, but that in the way Joe Rogan had, like,

he was kind of like a thoughtful guy who did research, who would post some things that were sort of on the edge of sanity, but like there was a germ of a good point. And then people started to push back on him. He starts trending all the time. And then he just suddenly is so fucking crazy. Yeah. Things he's posting just get worse and worse and worse. Like he's backed into a corner slightly.

His worldview is challenged in a little way and he gets more and more extreme. And I feel like you had Trump who was so grotesque that the left, for reasons I kind of understand, became more and more extreme. You guys might disagree with that. But from my perspective, no, I don't. Oh, interesting. And then the result, the result of the culture war, the result is the right became way, way more extreme on the right. And so now we live in two, I mean, the horrible John Edwards ran for president saying, you know, there were two Americas and that meant one thing. Now they're going to be two Americas where like kids in like upper crust, you know, mostly white private schools literally are taught like this, the, you know, ridiculous version

that you see on the news of conservatives saying what liberals are teaching their kids. You know, white kids are bad. Black kids are all oppressed. And then you have these, on the other hand, the reaction to that in Kentucky and Tennessee is going to be like, slavery didn't even happen. Right.

And so it's the internet's fault and probably Russian, you know, Russian trolls planting more information places to make people more and more upset. And so the way to fight this is to just get off the internet. No offense to anybody

who makes their livelihood on the internet and stuff. All of us. Plus it's true. No, I mean, all of us. I want to move on to Omicron in a moment, but I... But it's 9-11 too.

It's 9-11 too. But, you know, just circling around to all of this. Gosh, what a great convo so far. You reminded me of when I was in arizona uh in may for a while and i've talked about this on the show but like there was one woman that i met who's lovely and her um sign dating a person of color like lovely she she does not agree with

me on anything and we were talking but I kept finding some common ground with her. And then I ran out of time when she brought up this. She goes, but critical race theory is where I draw the line. That all sounds like nonsense. And there was no time for me to get into it with her. But it was so hard. But she doesn't know what critical race theory is. She thinks that it's stuff being shoved down the throats of her school-aged children and

that we're giving people shame and all. But like, there's so much to unpack. But they triggered something in her. And she wouldn't identify as racist. And if you said that's racist or try to unpack it, it would just be pushing her to the other further away from you. And you wouldn't be able to, like Like meet her in the middle I don't Know I mean if she doesn't even understand

What it is it means like You know I've got a lot of work to do and I don't Have the time to do that for everybody but Yeah yeah but I mean you know I think these things Are so complex and then we're Then everybody has to have opinions about it You know I don't know yeah well right

Like I think like one of like reasonable Reaction to her If she's saying like it. You know, I don't know. Yeah. Well, right. Like, I think like one of like reasonable reaction to her, if she's saying like, it's critical race theory, I don't even know what it is. Maybe you should look into it. Right. Like if you don't know what it is, but you're mad about it,

that's something. I believe, I believe what I said was, well, critical race theory is something that gets distorted and turn. And everyone thinks it's something that it isn't but maybe we'll have time To talk about that like there's a reason she doesn't Really know what it is it's by design yeah

Like it's an all-encompassing term That's used by people For this exact reason But can I say oh sorry Well you're gonna have a joke but I was gonna Say I find I would say You know it's like look into it but I'll be very honest when i try

to google things these days i like i can't find them like i don't know even know what to read like even with even with um covid sometimes i like i'm looking for specific information or data and the information's like maybe i should just have one trusted news source but i find myself getting very easily overwhelmed and i'm not sure even what to read. And I feel like I'm an intelligent person that knows how to synthesize stuff and I'm easily overwhelmed. And so is that really her fault

or is it about how we organize communication? Exactly. But that's what I mean is it's like, I don't blame her. And her idea of a liberal is that everybody wants to take away all of her guns. And which sure, some of us. Yes, I do.

Sorry. But we know that we're not going to. Like, I know that I'm not going to take away her gun. And she takes a lot of time to explain to me that, you know, since her husband died and she lives alone on the middle of the woods, she can't imagine living without a gun. I think if you live in the woods, you're allowed to have a gun. Like, that would be the rule. It's a different conversation, right? Anyway, if you're a lady in the woods,

if you live in the woods, you can have a gun. Yeah, well, just amend the Second Amendment. In the woods. Except for women in the woods. No, lady in the woods. Lady in the woods. Because men in the woods is a... Hello and good day, eager consumer.

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by, you know, caring about stuff and talking about stuff that other people weren't. And, Flint, you are, of course, very engaged with the news. And I am curious how your relationship has changed over the past couple years, especially in Noelle. I guess you kind of touched on it already. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I

feel like I was political. I mean, this is why Flint and I get along so well is that we're both cared about politics and we cared about what was going on but I think and I was always very vocal and Flint was always very vocal but for me you know I think I guess it was when I was still on Facebook and I would always post stuff that I cared about and it was before everybody was political, before everything's politicized. And then I think around Sandy Hook, I just was like, oh, this isn't like, I'm not going to change anything by talking about it.

And then I think also after the Trayvon Martin verdict happened, I was like, oh, like, I'm not going not gonna I can't do this by myself and you and Cody were the only people I knew talking about Trayvon Martin yeah and so for the most part back then yeah and so and so and I I think but then the Sandy Hick one like it's like oh little kids are getting murdered and we're we can't even do anything. And I just got I just got so overwhelmed. And also it was just so emotional. And I was crying all the time. I was emotionally unwell by all the things that I had no control over. And, you know, when Trump started running for president and it just started getting even more ugly, I was like for my sanity, because I can't

just be crying all the time. I can't look at the news. And so the entire Trump presidency, I didn't look at the news. Flint would tell me about the news. He would tell me what was going on when it was important. I would hear things that were important. But for the most part, I just I just didn't look at it. I didn't look at things on Instagram either. And I would say that it was necessary for me to even be functioning. And it's gotten a little bit better now that Biden's president. So now I'm trying to dip my toe back in but like I'm saying I'm like well what do I even look at anymore like I don't yeah the sources are so fractured and I'm so tired of hearing from so many people that I don't like everybody is now an authority on something

that I'm confused about who our real authorities are and maybe that is actually part of the problem of our present reality oh yeah that's gonna tie in nicely to something coming up so that was it what about you flynn do you like politics i mean i'm still a quote-unquote mainstream media news junkie like i i can't ever let go of my new york times and i feel like you threatened once but you're like once trump is gone i'm not talking media news junkie. Like I can't ever let go of my New York Times and Washington Post. I feel like you threatened once, but you're like, once Trump is gone, I'm not talking about the news anymore. That didn't happen. I threatened myself repeatedly, but I was unsuccessful in scaring myself off of it. Because yes, there is no, I mean, there were two things I always

wanted from a young age. Like I became interested in politics in high school. I think the first time I remember thinking about politics was in my very diverse but pretty conservative private high school, a teacher asking, do you support the death penalty? And every hand went up except for mine. And I never thought about the death penalty or talked to my parents about it or had, you know, sort of any political sophistication or education. But it just was instantly obvious to me that that that would be a thing where someone who was innocent would be killed and thus it should not exist. Um, and, and so I became obsessed with politics ever since that day. Like I, I basically left my senior year of high school to intern in Congress and this weird program that they had. Um, and, and, and this is, you know, I eventually ended up leaving politics and dropping out of my doctorate. But the thing, the two things I wanted was everyone to read the news and everyone to

be liberal. And now that I live in a time where everyone I know is liberal and everyone reads the news, it's fucking horrible. It's the worst. Everyone's insane. We're all insufferable. It turns out 80% of people who now read the news had no infrastructure to do so. They weren't piecing that together with any sort of historical knowledge.

They don't know the right sources to look at. So everyone's brains have just gotten pickled and you kind of have to, you know, silence is violence. If you can't have no opinion, you can't not know about something, that makes you the oppressor. That makes you part of the problem. So you have to know, and you're only basically allowed to have one opinion where we live so uh it's not

great wow some some uh some spicy things here flindy things i just want like everyone to have health care and for you know the government to protect people against corporations i was gonna say i do think like making i i i started realizing i have a similar thing to the flint thing which is like i all i ever wanted was for people to care and but then i was like i don't know i don't know if I want everybody to care anymore, only because it kind of it made me sort of realize like sort of a scary thought, which is like they're they're kind of do need to be leaders and thought that thought synthesis. how to parse things and have like does that make sense because not everybody is completely equipped like flint says to know the historical context or to know the bigger picture or has has a real take nor should they because they're specialized in this thing or that they don't all have to be a constitutional scholar exactly it's actually that it's exactly that that why does everybody have to know everything when it shouldn't even be a normal person's job to have opinions about some of the most complex issues that

highly intelligent people even disagree about and or not just that intelligence is the only metric of what's correct but you follow what i'm trying to say so it's like so i do think we're i think sometimes it's better i was actually nervous about coming on here because i was like i stopped wanting to have opinions about things i'm like yeah do i even know anything i feel like i know less now i mean that's not true i i have i know a lot but what is my knowledge and how does it apply to somebody across the country i don't think think it does, which is why I would I would much rather be more community oriented. Yeah. And I would much rather do things on an interpersonal level at a certain point, because I don't really know

what's facing parents in in Florida or what's what what or what the mayoral race is like in New York City and how that's going to impact. That's not my business, really. So why? Right. Why do we make everything our business? And I think I liked your point, Katie, about, you know, trusting experts with not the exact words you use, but I think about, I mean, since I'm making the point, we should have some sort of basic structure of knowledge before we're diving into debates and, you know, fights about politics. But like when I was in graduate school, the last class I ever took was epidemiology because I was focusing on health policy in addition to political science. And that was the class that caused me to drop out. And part of why I dropped out as I was like,

oh, I'm too dumb to understand this. Once you're in an epidemiology class with some of the brightest people in the world, you go, oh, you know what? I'm really smart when it comes to X and Y. This ain't me. I'm not as fast as these people. And so now they got this. Yeah. We have a public health epidemic and it's like, I don't trust anybody. I'm doing my own research. I can Google, you know. The other thing that I think is important to understand is like, I don't want to sit here and say that I don't think that people should be well informed and that people should not be engaged or care about what's happening or look for their information, because what we have right now is a system where there's so much information and it's very hard to trust the leaders. So I don't also myself personally,

just because I'm liberal and Joe Biden is president does not mean that I'm going to just accept his guidance or the thing that he has said as being the truth. So it's hard when you don't trust the people in charge or the systems are clearly not working. People are not being taken care of. People are not having their basic needs met. And so what happens now is that we all have to take control for ourselves. And a lot of us get it wrong because there's a lot of information. And a lot of us are coming from a really earnest and sincere place, but have been told something by a QAnon believer. Or you know.

Like they think they're liberal. But really they kind of believe in conspiracy theories. And so it's very easy for shit to get muddy. But the. The essential core. Is that people. Are fucking fed up. Yeah. Even like the simplest bit of information

that we could have which is like where can i get these free rapid tests that the government said we're gonna get literally the answer is google it google it and find out where it is and like that's you know google helps but like if that's i have google being told like right like if we're being told like by these sort of authority figures, Google it. You'll find it out. Then at what point is it safe to sort of go on autopilot and be like, well, you got to trust the people. No, that's bad.

That's actually, that's, no, that means we've decentralized our, no, that, so system, no, that's not a good thing. That is, you actually need to communicate and it needs to be consistent and it needs to be easy to follow and there shouldn't be broken links and you shouldn't have like i tried to get a free a free kit i googled one it was a sort of thing it was just so complicated and i gave up and i'm not even sure if it was a government kit I don't even know what was happening so that is a failure yeah no exactly that's the whole that's the whole point of having a government why just let's ask why that's happening it's happening because of well I

think it's just a fracturing of information it's like we're I guess I mean, I don't know. I don't know what kit I like landed on. You should be able to go to White House dot gov and it should be like click here for free kit. And you click there and link in the White House Twitter profile. You know, exactly. Like it should be a really straightforward thing. And you shouldn't have to enter like 100 pieces of information to get it. It should be extremely straightforward. What is the point of having all of this data

and information on all of us? What is the point of having a social security number if you then have to go through like a million steps to get a thing that your government's saying it's for free? I think these are impossible hurdles. I am a tech savvy person. I know how to code. I've directed a movie and I'm confused.

So, and if I'm confused your moms are confused and your grandparents are even more confused and it shouldn't be like this or you have people on the ground doing it at a city level knocking on the door you send it to the city they mail it to everybody who's a registered voter or not or I don't know you just you somebody has to invent a way to make it work and then you do it. And somebody has to be in charge of that. That's like it's designed in a in a in a two party system, though, where where everything is political and everything is a fight. It is designed to fail. So that's why that was your setting us up to say this. Yes, it was a rhetorical question.

And in general, in a federalist system, all these states, they don't want to share information with the federal government. I see what you're saying. So then it needs to just be it should just be like, OK, we're going to send it to the states then. And it's all on the state at this point. But some states don't don't want you to get tested. They don't want their numbers to go up. Well, then then then we need to just break this all up and have little countries.

New Europe. I want to pivot us slightly because we're in the world of what I want to talk about and that's Omicron. Omicron hit. We were in holiday mode. We haven't even talked about it much here. Wait, who's been bit?

Who got bit? I haven't been bit about it much here. Wait, who's been bit? Who got bit? Who got bit by the bug? Who's been bit? I haven't been bit yet that I know of. Not that I know of. Not that I know of. We'll see. Yeah, US is now averaging well over a half a million cases per day. I believe it was yesterday that we had one million new cases reported.

See, I Googled this. I couldn't find the number I gave up. Yeah, it's bad. You know, it's less severe. It's true than previous strains. But hospitals are still being overwhelmed with sick patients, primarily, if not exclusively, people that are not vaccinated. And it sucks right now. It sucks out there. How are you guys feeling? How are you feeling with Omicron? Has it affected your day to day-day life?

I don't have children Yeah I can do a lot of my stuff from home I'm in a very No, I feel like If anything, it's isolated I like being alone I will

So you're not changing your behavior very significantly Oh, well, not really I mean, I think most people that I see in LA Are very conscientious Like everybody wears masks everywhere. We got breakfast recently, and I loved that we all had a conversation of like, is this safe in here? We feel comfortable.

Yeah. I like that. Yeah. But even then, it was because there was nobody in L.A., and it was... Right. And one of the people with us had already had it. And we were just like, well, you're going to be fine. And we're okay.

But what quality were the masks? KN95. All right. That's what I like to hear. There are people that are just crushed by this. So I don't think my anecdotal, like, not very inconvenienced in life really matters. Right? Because it's curious.

Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. I guess i just because i work from home and i do i do a lot of stuff from bless you cody oh my god thank you so much i heard that sneezing is one of the omicron it is symptoms do you got a tickle in your throat but you know what it's also a symptom of allergies and pet dander and so many things. Nah, sneezing was invented last year when coronavirus started.

I'll just Google what to do. I guess the thrust of this line of questioning is basically it feels I felt some sort of a reprieve in terms of disagreeing with people or like tensions, the morality, the projecting

of what should and should not be done, all of that. And right now it feels tense again of people being there's basically two different camps of we need to do our best or everyone's going to get it. I mean, I've been I don't like thinking like that, but feels like everybody's gonna get this like everybody's getting it so is that is that too dangerous is it too dangerous just to be like like I know it's been two years at this point we but it's okay to be like okay maybe everybody's gonna get it is that what we're afraid of saying like we don't want to admit some level of defeat with it let's just like grow up we're all gonna get it it's hard because i straddle this line of i fully expect to get it sooner or later and i'm not terrified of it

but i don't want it right i don't i don't want a bad version of it because there's people there are people who are triple vax you know double vax boosted who are getting it. And while the vast, vast, vast majority of cases aren't severe, a lot of people are having really bad illnesses. And we don't even know about long COVID. Friends of ours, really bad flu. Another friend of mine hasn't been able to eat for two weeks because it all tastes rancid. I tweeted about this and of like a thousand likes.

Or whatever. All these responses. I think there were like ten people. That are double vaxxed. And boosted. Who are saying like. I cannot believe how sick I am. Oh no.

A couple people saying. I'm waiting for a respirator. Oh. Or like a respiratory clinic. So like. And like a triple vaxxed rating. So. I.

Again. This is anecdotal. This is anecdotal. But there's also there's also a delta crom or something like exactly there's like a mutant some people are saying that you can get both i don't know i saw and i did read this somewhere that seemed legit right so it's just it's just about um you know for me it's about doing my very best to be responsible while also acknowledging that I'm going to go about my life in the ways that continue to make sense. But it just I don't know. I saw two things on Instagram stories from friends this morning that I thought were illustrative to both have kids under five years old who can't get vaccinated.

Um, Cody's definitely got it. Um, he's sneezing. Got a few sniffles going on. Both. Um, and,

and based on this, you know, N equals one, it seems like it's not that bad. We should just let it rip. He seems fine. Uh, so. Went for a run earlier. Feeling good.

Exactly. Two friends with kids under five who can't get vaxxed, both very liberal. it, that she is concerned about anyone doing anything that could come back and connect to her family and potentially give her child COVID. Is this the person that did invite me to New Year's Eve? It is a different person. I'm just kidding. We can circle back to that. Eric, I'm sorry.

I see. But I like where we're going. I believe that was because she had gotten these really expensive test kits that were $70 a pop. And she was like, I don't know this person. I'm not spending $70. I'm so joking. I had a very happy solo New Year's Eve. Beautiful.

Well, we missed you. But so the one parent is absolutely petrified of getting it. And she is very bright. And there's, and she is very bright, but there is no data supporting that. There is driving her kid to school would have been as dangerous as her kid getting COVID. On the other hand, I have a friend who's a parent whose school just keeps getting canceled for

a week. There's one case, one kid, one four-year-old gets it, and they cancel school for two more weeks. And it's hell. It's hell for the parents. The kids are falling way behind.

There's going to be severe societal consequences. And it's essentially an impossible problem to solve when you have two smart people who want exactly diametrically opposed things for their child and will fight at their school board with their rep for those two different points of view. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. I don't know how you square that circle. That sounds unsolvable. It's hard. Because that's also like two people who ostensibly are on the same side, the same team-ish, in the same same worldview and the same sort of reality and that's but then there's all these other people who have a completely different reality uh so yeah unsolvable did you guys see nate silver's contribution to the school dialogue i i missed it but i thought is it gonna be bad because he is? It is. Oh, great. Yes. Okay. It was saying that school closures are so traumatic, are worse than like, oh, you're

laughing. Wait a minute. What was it actually? It's a worse policy decision than going to Iraq. Yeah. Than the Iraq war. It's worse for children. It's comparable to the Iraq war.

The effect on children. In terms of like a policy decision. Yeah. It's like, it's like so And like I Like in what sense like like like it was Painful for me to be as a child while We were in the Iraq war I would say that was like Are we talking about

The societal consequences The consequence the ultimate consequences of it Oh like for veterans Or it's just people it's like society In general right well I mean He didn't specify He just said something ridiculous And he didn't He didn't specify he just said Something ridiculous and then didn't

He wasn't yeah Yeah every single thing he says But like he's so like Obviously there's like definitely like racism And xenophobia going on there because he's not considering Like what like the Iraqi people Or like Iraqi children and how Right I forgot

But also like he's just trying to say it's an extreme problem. He's not a good communicator. I mean, maybe because Twitter is not an effective way to communicate. He's bad at it. I mean, no offense to you guys. I know you guys tweet. I think that's the problem. Twitter is bad for sure.

He's bad at it. He's very bad at it. Well, he made his bread and butter at it too, right? I mean, he's a brilliant statistic it. He's very bad at it. Well, he made his bread and butter out of it too, right? I mean, he's a brilliant statistician. He is. And he came, he started with a very reasonable good point, which is there's no public policy position. There's no public policy that should not start with a cost benefit analysis.

And if you look at the closing of the schools for the amount of time we have, it is very clear that the cost outweighed the benefit um however he could have tweeted that he should not that was where you stop the iraq war was obviously like but then it becomes a fight for a day about his completely disgraceful point about the iraq which is like it doesn't even matter who cares so nate silver said some dumb shit about. I'm sure. I'm sure if we were more popular, you know, like if we were Nate Silver, I'm sure anybody could take any one thing that we said and add a context here and then make it into a thing today.

So I'm sorry, Nate Silver. No, don't do it. No, no, no. I don't know. You guys, I just don't. I just don't want anybody to fight anymore When it comes to I'm so sorry to tell you this

I know but it's not I just want to love and eat dirt When it comes to schools There is one point I have to make My wife is a public school teacher And she'll be mad at me if I do not make this point When schools Are like schools being

Closed is bad for kids like i'll agree there but it's like we we've set up this false thing where we can either close the schools which is really bad for teachers or keep them all open and everyone gets sick and fuck teachers right we don't care if they get sick or whatever and i think what we're upset about is that we don't have adequate child care systems set up in this country. Thank you. Because every parent has to work. Everyone has to work.

And so when schools shut down, there's no system in place. We don't have anything available. School is child care. Right. School is child care. And that's how we've set it up in our society. But because everyone needs to keep working, like everything else can shut down, but everyone needs to be at their computers working their eight to 10 hours a day. We can't do this. And so that's the messaging that gets lost. So of course, I agree that it's really bad when schools are shut down for a long

period of time. I don't think it should be off the table to shut them down for the next two weeks while every cases are breaking records, especially because while schools can be open safely, they can be open safely, they can be open safely, but school districts are not doing all the things that would be necessary to make them safe. The ventilation that we've all been promised is not happening. Kids don't wear their masks like there's going to be a ton of cases. Those are such good points, but we already sunk so much into the bad decisions that the

reasonable decision, which is at the height, at the peak of these things, you shut it down for two weeks. That makes sense. Vaccine mandates for teachers, which I think should be, you know, in every school district in the country. There's no, I think basically for any activity in public life, then you could relax a lot of other restrictions. But I mean, did you guys see the Chris Hayes had a tweet yesterday? I don't know how you feel about Chris Hayes, but saying like, what did you see how much money we allocated to schools for COVID safety?

Where did that money go? And then some people started posting breakdowns and it is not the things that soft code. Right. I believe that. What were some of the things did you. Oh, I mean,

scrubbing down is the most popular. Anything you can hire thousands of people to constantly disinfect surfaces, that is over. But we know that's not good. It's such a waste of time. We've known for so long that that's not good. Kids are so germy. They're just immediately putting their trash hands all over those surfaces. No offense to kids, but they have trash hands. The air needs to be cleaned.

The school regulations are still like, well, you're only a close contact if you were within this many feet of the student who tested positive. But it's like they're all sitting in the unventilated room. We've known that that's how they're going to get it for two years. Also, six feet apart is kind of bullshit. I think that's sort of, just to sort of circle back. Like, I think this is sort of related to the question, Katie, that you were asking about sort of like the camps of like, do do everything we can. And is everyone just going to get it? We've had this for two years and we failed every step of the way.

So like the I think for a lot of people the idea of like oh we'll do we'll do everything we can is just like will we we're not doing we didn't do that the things we needed to do needed to happen fucking like march in 2020 yeah um and and it's so frustrating that personal the personal the onus gets put on the individual of like you do this you do this you do this you do this you google this

you do this sure yes okay I want to do my part but the fuck is happening you clowns we are running

out of time here a few things I just want to throw out there about Omicron COVID in general a few things I just want to throw out there about Omicron, COVID in general. A few things. A couple things.

So this is interesting. Jonathan, you included this and I was wanting to look this up. But rapid tests are probably better than PCR tests at determining if someone is infectious. So, yeah, I guess people can test positive on a pcr for a long time after an infection whereas the rapid tests um are less sensitive and it's you really get a read if you have enough of the viral load so that's interesting because they're so bad that they're good for this thing for this kind of like to know if you're actually could infect if you're contagious yeah you know so at

least you know that i'm not like probably spreading a bunch of virus particles right now um i heard over the break from a nurse cody and flint and jonathan um your beards make the masks fit but they don't work as well just so you know know. Wow, you guys know that before. Three beards, yeah. Okay, mom. That's why I have it, clearly. But I'm often a beard, so. I feel like that was an attack on me, but. That's for a different cause.

Did you text that to Katie just to tee you up for the joke? Yeah. One thing that I've learned that's interesting that might make people feel good. Maybe. So if you have had Delta, you don't have very good protection against Omicron. Omicron but if you have had Omicron you are very well protected protected protected against the others so most sorry all you delta that is how Omicron is going to overtake the other strains and become the dominant one here and it is a different disease than the others Noel yeah

talk to me about this thing you just sent my text messages so flint texted this to me because i've been complaining so when i got my my two moderna shots my my menstrual cycle because i'm a woman yeah uh and i identify as such is uh gross messed up it got really messed up and it was extremely painful and my um and it lasted for months where i i basically had to go to a gynecologist and he's like you have ovarian cysts right and i never had had this before this was like a totally new thing and i had to go on a very specific diet to like a very anti-inflammatory which i think makes sense like you know but and i was convinced it was the vaccine but of course there's not data on that and it feels very anecdotal but what i was seeing on

the internet was like a lot of women being like my cycle was really messed up after the vaccine and if you try to write something like this men or you know mostly men are like that's that doesn't seem to be right nick can you cut this for time? Are you serious? Oh my god. I was just making a joke about men censoring women. Wowie. Okay, so. Actually, we can take it back so I can talk about this instead. Wow.

I know you guys are joking, but it makes me very emotional. No, I'm just kidding. So, I got better, like, very recently, and I had been avoiding getting my booster because I didn't want it to happen again. And I'm like, I don't want to be paranoid. I don't want to be anti-vax. But I did feel this.

I know that it was true. Like for me, it feels true. But of course, you sound crazy. But I so I ended up having to get the booster because of Omicron. And it started again. And it's been so bad and so flint just texted me an article where it was like anecdotally but through this study they're showing that it has impacted women's cycles and of course the study is saying that it's not exactly as significant like over a cross

section of people it's not very significant but it is technically significant enough for them to be reporting on it and a lot of people anecdotally are having very similar reactions to me like yeah so so i i this isn't the first i've heard of this i have a female text group thread and um a lot of people a lot a high percentage of women in that there's like 10 of us um have had weird things happen to their menstrual cycle afterwards. I myself had a very disrupted cycle. However, I also got out of an extremely toxic relationship and my aunt died and there was a lot of stuff going on. So that could have also affected my cycle. So I wasn't quite sure.

But it's interesting for me that you bring this up. And it reminds me of when they were talking about teens and myocarditis after getting the vaccine. And it's like, and everyone attacks that. And I am as pro-vaxxers, they come, but it's like, everything does have adverse outcomes for some percentage of people. And in the study, it's like, right, the cost, the benefit of these things so wildly outweighs the cost. But it's also a really sort of dark side of things because we're so divided that we do tend to attack people who fall into the category who do have adverse outcomes from these things that are societal goods. Yeah. And then I also keep quiet about it because I don't want to add I don't want to add fuel to the fire and I don't want to come off as sounding crazy. But I'm also like, oh, i know that this is really happening and i do from my intuition it feels like it's an inflammatory response like and you know who's who's to say i wouldn't have had these same

symptoms if i had actually gotten covid right like my body could be attacking itself um so because when i got on this diet what the trade- off of these symptoms would be. Right. And when I got on a like an anti-inflammatory, like strict diet, my symptoms went away. So I'm going to just do it again. But it's it's something I've never experienced before. And it's extremely painful. And I know that they talk about these vaccine case studies. They don't because they don't look at these sorts of symptoms because they're often like a couple weeks out or they don't really believe it or and you know when i went to the gynecologist i tried to talk to him about this and he was i was like i've gained all this weight and and he was like covid it's covid but he meant more like everyone's gained weight and i'm like no no i think there's something wrong with me and then he was like you have ovarian cysts and i'm like so what is that and he didn't

even tell me i had to google it and it's literally all of my Symptoms And so it's like but I tried to talk to a Healthcare professional about it who basically was like Yeah that shit just happens because you're a You're a woman And I'm just like yeah And it's very scary Routinely so many That's not a new topic but yeah

Doctors not believing women When they're coming and talking about their bodies it was like we're in tune with it we know when something's wrong we know it's wrong and it just felt like i was in a movie i was like you're saying everything if i could if i wrote this it would feel exaggerated like how you're dismissing me right now but okay i'll just i'm gonna and this is why people probably google how to cure themselves of everything because our dog you know what i'm trying to say like that's why people probably Google how to cure themselves of everything because our dog, you know what I'm trying to say? Like, that's why I got the horse tranquilizer.

No, I'm just kidding. And anyway, Invect, Invecterman, whatever, brought my period back. Yes. Oh my God. That is such a good advertisement. I should tweet at them. We should invent Invecterman and have it be the care for everything it's the off-brand ivermectin well my my brother who i think you know katie and cody have met and noel

knows well as a doctor and he would and he has the worst bedside manner of anyone i've ever met he would um but he's a good doctor go to him he He's a good doctor. But he would say patients have become so wildly insane. They don't listen. They don't follow the advice the doctor gives. They've all Googled what their symptoms are in advance and tell the doctor what they have with no evidence. evidence so now doctors have dealt with so much crazy that they just assume everyone's fucking crazy and they are short with everyone which is obviously a bad situation or perhaps doctors were always like you know authorities and people didn't i don't know how else to describe this but you know how do we how do you say that i'm sure that's true but it's also true that doctors have never listened

to me ever like you know like as a child so i just don't feel and i feel like women are not listened to or like minorities aren't listened to and and there's this i'm the authority and doctors should be an authority right they have a lot of schooling that should be a sort of thing but what is this what is this i'm the i'm i know better than what you are actually experiencing your body what if it was a little bit more of a collaborative anyway well in for-profit medicine they don't have time to collaborate with you and you can come to the next page if it was state-run medicine they would say the same thing and it just i think we have to have a shift yeah the way that we all deal with no more doctors no more doctors no just just google it um wild west no thank you for bringing that up i think that's an interesting point of conversation

and i bet a percentage of our listeners with a menstrual cycle will relate to that. Yeah. You're not alone. You're not alone. And on that note, I think it's time to wrap things up, but I can talk with you for forever, but that's why we're friends. Tell our listeners where we can find you online, plug projects you have coming up,

whatever you got. I know you've got a lot don't look for me listen to your album go listen to Noelle's album it's amazing it's great but you know I don't know you know being in the public I don't know

this is scary just I know I think your i mean i mean music and flint and i work together and we do hopefully we have some cool stuff happening flint yeah noelle what's one song one song of yours that you want people to listen to yeah that's good good that's great what flint do you have a pitch or do you oh well i've did a cover of lovely day the bill withers song that's really song That people really seem to like I really like Playing for Keeps

It's the first song off of my first album It's called Played for Keeps I also like It's So Nice I get that stuck in my head a lot Oh that's nice I'll be like in a pleasant mood And enjoying the day Or something and I'll have I'll hear your little voice I mood And enjoying the day or something

And I'll have I'll hear your little voice I'm not gonna try to sing it because I can't sing But I hear the chorus And it gives me a little pep in my step You know what's great is I don't really like The personal attention on me About the things that I made but you saying that About you liking a song

And it popping like I could cry Actually I've heard some of you do it right Yeah it is it truly is I'm not An asshole it popping like I'm I could cry so actually I do it right yeah it is it truly is I'm not an asshole it's really the only reason why I'm doing it I've heard some of Noelle's new songs that she hasn't recorded oh yeah and I would say those are gonna really

blow people away I was treated to one in her living room yeah it's great so if there are any not shady music people out there. Yeah. The industry who want to help me navigate it. It would be really awesome.

Yeah. Reach out. But you can't be shady. No shady. You have to like you have to like we don't want no scrubs. Yeah. Sunny and bright. I only have a trash Twitter where I follow 30 journalists and Katie.

Yeah. That's actually true. I'm not going to share your Twitter handle, but you're a fan. You share a lot. I put a lot of stuff back. So, yes, my name is Flint Wayness. That last name is terrible. That's my Instagram.

No, it's not. But he's an interesting follow. I am now a screenwriter and, know I have a couple movies in development but they're not greenlit yet so you know I can't tell you to go to the theater and see them no not yet that's not the case yet but they will

also Omicron also Omicron okay guys that does it for us this week thank you again for joining us this was so much fun um oh hey everyone real quick little reminder we love you very much much