Some More News - Marjorie Taylor Greene, Welcome To The Resistance (Not Really)

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

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Hi, folks. Today we're breaking down the rift in the MAGA movement and Trump's ridiculous, desperate response to it. Ooh. Oh, hello. And welcome back to even more news, the first and only news podcast. My name is Katie Stoll. Yes, it is. Pugh, pew, pew, pew, pew.

Hi, Katie. I'm Cody Johnston. The name of me is that. Hello. Cody, Johnston, that is your name. And Jonathan is also here. Yes. Hi.

Hello. Hi, Jonathan. Looking on right now. What the heck has been going on? Is our president doing okay? Are people doing okay? It's a weird time. for the MAGA movement.

It sure is. They are having some issues on multiple fronts, multiple fracturings, dare I say? Multiple fractures, that is correct, yes. I mean, yeah, one of the fracturing. It feels like a continuation of everything we were saying last week, but it's wild to watch it unfold. It is growing. I haven't seen something like this since it started, right? Well, we're nearing the end, so they have to be right?

like they have to figure out though yeah marjorie taylor green and donald trump continue to be at odds uh donald trump attacked marjorie taylor green tried out some new nicknames both marjorie trader green and marjorie taylor brown because when green grass is sure okay i think traitor green is much better green is much better trader green is good i would even say if you're like if you're like a freak and you use nicknames to it like in the way he does that it's good marjorie taylor brown it took me a second i was like that's her name oh no it's not what that's too many connections and then he has to explain it you know like when grass starts to rot oh i explaining the nickname is a terrible move marjorie taylor the grass is greener marjorie taylor the green news scam i don't know and much of maga

not all but much of maga appears to be on team marjorie of all places. She went on CNN this weekend. Sorry. And I want to play part of this clip to get Marjorie Taylor Green's

response to criticism that she has often done the stuff that Trump is doing right now and has always done. You posted on X that President Trump is with his comments fueling a quote

hotbed of threats against you. Obviously, any threats to your safety are completely unacceptable. But we have seen these kinds of attacks or criticism from the president at other people. It's not new. And with respect, I haven't heard you speak out about it until it was directed at you. Dana, I think that's fair criticism.

And I would like to say humbly, I'm sorry for taking part in the toxic politics. It's very bad for our country, and it's been something I've thought about a lot, especially since Charlie Kirk was assassinated, is that we, I'm only responsible for myself and my own words and actions, and I am committed, and I've been working on this a lot lately to put down the knives and politics. I really just want to see people be kind to one another. The whole thing is interesting, though, to some of the thoughts I have. It was 9-11 when she said that. I have to point that out. Oh, so then there's that. Maybe there's meaning there.

Obviously, I mean, it feels obvious to me. We've been watching this happen for the last couple months with her specifically. There's this recalibration, a reading of the tea leaves, knowing that she's kind of on our own path here. She's playing to her base. She's probably going to run for president at some point. I do want this to be true. I do want there to be a recognition of the toxicity that has been spewed and continues to be spewed all the time. The knives have been out for years.

I don't believe that she's sincerely sorry in any capacity. I think that she's rehabilitating her image. or something. I don't know. Wild to see, though. I think it's a combination of things. I think that there's probably a kernel of truth to like, she knows. She's not like, she's not like confused, like, oh, wow, Donald Trump's mean to people.

She's knowingly participated in it. She's participated in it. And there might be a colonel there of like, oh, now that I'm on the other side of it, it sucks. But it really just seems very, very opportunistic and self-serving. Even the way she says it, I'm like, Marjorie, I don't really believe what you're saying right now. I would, I mean, the way she's presenting it is Charlie Kirk got assassinated and then I

had this moment where I realized the political rhetoric has gone too far. Is how she, that's her explanation for why she's a different person now, why she's a pod person now. I don't, I don't know that I believe that. But if the Charlie Kirk assassination is the thing that brings down MAGA, narrative, that works right like the the the it does it make sense what I'm saying that it's it has an irony to it and is interesting if that event is the actual thing really made Marjorie taylor green rethink her public persona her position on everything oh yeah it's got if it can get that bad maybe I do need to like think about this yeah I would love that to be true I would love that

love is a strong word because what a horrific situation we all find ourselves in. But the part of me that wants to believe in human decency and growth would be able, would say like, yeah, it makes sense. It should be a wake-up call for everybody about the effects of this kind of rhetoric and treating each other this way. The lack of kindness. I'm glad that she used that specific word, I guess. But yeah, it does feel self-serving. It should be a wake-up call, but I don't, yeah. That's how she's presented herself. It would be, I think it's interesting because it's one of those things that would be easier to believe probably if it was a different type of figure as opposed to this, like very toxic person who got famous for like harassing Parkland school victims and just like being the attention wanter.

and if it was just like a normal Republican is like this we've gone too far like this is I can't anymore like obviously we were doing I was doing this because it benefited me but like it's bad now but somebody like her I don't know about that and as I mean we've talked about this the past week or so but like I think there's there is some math there like maybe one percent of her is like that was bad and I hate it when it's at me I don't like when at me it's that Republican thing we're like, oh, I believe in gay rights now because of my gay child. Like, it's just that sort of Republican thing that happens. And it's like, okay, welcome aboard, I guess.

But we can't say welcome aboard to Marjorie Taylor Green because she, of all of her opinions and actions. Yeah, her opinions and actions. How could you possibly trust that woman? There's so many things about it. But I think there's like a little bit of that and a little bit of like, I think maybe Trump has actually done some horrible things. things that I don't want to get uh get behind and is politically weaker than politically weaker we made we might have thought exactly and also there's i mean a oc released a video a while back basically

saying like yeah it's big it's because uh trump told her not to run for senate it's because she wanted to uh increase her power and trump was like no don't do it and so now they're feuding that seems probably a big part of it too um that's the most that's the most believable like driver behind this like oh yeah of course she's gonna like push in that way but at the same time out there this weekend saying things like i hope we can make up uh i hope that we can you know so it's not as though she's fully said i'm done with donald trump forever but she is also not the only politician giving him a hard time yeah so thomas massey is a uh republican congressman he's uh kind of like Rand Paul, that kind of guy.

Libertarian-ish, like kind of... Yeah, libertarianish has gone against Trump in many times Trump has called him a rhino and always votes against me, blah, blah, blah, blah. That kind of back and forth has been going on for months. Personally, in his... Thomas Massey's wife, who was his high school sweetheart and they were together for decades, died last year, and he just got remarried a year and a half later to, I believe, a former staffer of Rand Paul's.

Not that that really matters, but they have known each other for some time. Really solidifies the Rand Paul comparison, though. Right. Well, they're buddies. So Donald Trump posted this. Did Thomas Massey sometimes referred to as Rand Paul Jr. Because of the fact that he always votes against the Republican Party, get married already? Boy, that was quick.

No wonder the polls have him at less than an 8% chance of winning the election. Anyway, have a great life, Thomas, and question mark. his wife will soon find out that she stuck with a loser. Out of all of the attacks, out of everything that Donald Trump has ever said and done, including about Republicans, this one seems to be too far for many of his supporters, including people who used to be willing to go to jail for him, like Jenna Ellis, who helped him do treason. This is so wild to me. I'm assuming we're just going to put some of these on screen. and we don't need to go through all of them. There are so many people that really is like,

no thank you, sir, kind of attitude. Like, this is too far. This is disgusting. Which I do agree. Unacceptable. You don't need to. Not the first time, folks. But yes, but this is what I'm trying to say is of all the things to get upset about,

this is not his worst. This isn't even in his top 10 greatest hits. And it took me a back. I think it's, again, the confluence of everything happening at once. It's just such a low blow, but yeah, I didn't realize people loved Massey's this much to come to his defense. Yeah, I mean, Massey's been like in their, in their realm of a very like principled, you know, a libertarian, I guess, in their eyes in a lot of ways. And I think that so like he's on their team. So again, it's like, well, I don't like it when he's mean to me or my guys.

It is the first time I feel like, not the first time, but in a while gone after. somebody's wife it's He does do that But not in a long time Yeah I mean None of these people I mean chill Biden this side Well interestingly right

But she's on the other side When he Called or essentially called Heidi Cruz ugly During the primaries That was still a time when there were A lot of Never Trump Republicans Who were advocating for

Other Anyone else Including people like Lindsey Graham, who have been nonstop MAGA for years now, he, I'm sure, called out things like that, or this was way before, like,

I haven't seen the tweet type stuff. So, but, but to suddenly say that this one is worse doesn't make sense. Oh yeah, no, it's like it's, I mean, there have been worse things, but yeah, he did sort of pause for a while doing that stuff against his own, I guess.

I don't think he needed to. I think it played the first around when everybody viewed the Conservative Party as also being, not everybody, but a lot of the MAGA voters didn't like the Conservative Party. They're only there because of Donald Trump or whatever. And at this point, though, he's broken their trust in a multitude of ways and there's less grace. And so now he starts leaning on the old tricks of his trade. Those old hits that he used to pull out that used to be effective and it's not anymore. because again, it's gotten out of his control. Yeah. There is no way to please everybody in MAGA anymore. Because he's always been, you know, he's got some consistency in some arenas. But generally, he's like not an ideologically consistent person.

We've talked about this all the time. He's got all these different factions, all these people. And his whole, the whole thing was, and everyone's like, oh, the left is so mean. these days where this why did this happen i guess they forget donald trump showed up and treated your party like absolute shit for nine 10 months and insulted every single person in the party on stage to their face until they all bowed to him and then he did a first term that was largely disappointing to a lot of republicans too like you didn't go far enough he didn't do this okay uh the supreme court like we have like the courts taken care of i think there's a lot there's a lot of people

people who like, like, okay, but like we won again. We're back. We like, this is our, our only chance to do all of these things. And Trump's like, whatever, we'll do this. We'll try tariffs. We'll like, well, I got some gold from Switzerland. So we'll, we'll not do the tariffs. Like it's, he's just doing whatever. And I think a lot of people are remembering that that's the kind of guy he is where it's like, oh yeah, he just does whatever. He's not a coalition builder. He's a destroyer. And they all have their different projects that they want to do. And he's not really, he's doing the thing that he does. And so that frustration, I think, coupled with them knowing, like, well, this is our chance. This is the second term. We might not get a third.

And so it's, yeah, it's just all the cracks are showing even more and more. And he's doing the thing that he used to do to his own party again. And they don't like it this time because. Because they're mad at him. Yeah. Energy, recovery, gut health, immunity. What do all these things have in common? That's right. They're Wolverine superpowers.

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Bub. Bubby. Buddy. Thank you. I've been a little interested in kind of the vibe. shift of some of the booster, some of the people who no longer believe they'll be in power forever. I don't know if you saw this Mike Cernovich tweet. No, he blocked me years ago. I've never seen. I did not see it. He posted during a recent visit in D.C., the talk of everyone

was how overt the corruption was. It's at levels you read about in history books in nearly every department. Lots of, quote, do people just think Democrats will never win and they'll all get away with this that's an interesting thing to admit from him yeah um because obviously like the corruption is at extremely high levels it is to the point where most people can't deny it right where james comer is saying well at least they're admitting it where anne colter is saying this is obviously the most corrupt administration ever but i'm okay with it as long because the racist stuff i like like it's undeniable who it's undeniable to us who he's been for so long right um it's It is hard to watch people seem to recognize the truth of who he is personally.

Even if it's in a small way, even if cat turds still not on board, right? It's not enough to say that this is the end of MAGA, even if Evan Kilgore is like MAGA is dead. Yeah, well, it's interesting because they are realizing it seems like they're still trying to distance themselves from the whole thing. And like their party and the project and the whole movement from what they're realizing. was, oh, he's a corrupt man. He's a corrupt lying swindler who only believes in himself and cares about himself.

You know, maybe they'll get there someday, but like the truth is like, okay, so he is, right? And this whole movement formed around him. So like, take that new knowledge about him and like pull back and like examine, examine the movement through that lens. But they can't do that yet, obviously, for some of reasons. But like, like, the Cernovich being,

like, yeah, this is so corrupt, like, but I'm not. And like, we're, we're honest brokers in this whole, whole, uh, whole project is just interesting to see them. They're dipping their toe in of like, oh, yeah, he is a bit of a con man, it seems. And the hope is that they, you know, again, take it that step further. But like the, like the end culture of the world say like, yeah, he is, he sucks. We don't like him. He's crass.

He's this. But he's doing the racism enough. So. I can't see the future. But to me, this timeline seems about right of people realizing, towing the lines of dissent, starting to say stuff like that. I do believe that more and more people will start to admit that. It's going to take a long time for the cat turds if they ever get there.

Matt Walsh also. But important to remember. Yep, Matt Walsh also, all of them. Nick Fuentes, that's not as surprising. he is obviously so he wants the power he wants to be the guy further extreme than maga even

but they but let's be clear they've they're not just realizing any of this they've known it the whole time because we've known it the whole time they've chosen to align with him just like Anne Coulter said it's like well because he's doing the stuff we want to do the problem is is that now he's not really

quite doing it to the extent that they want to do it and And so now they're going to start to notice their corruption, et cetera. And I think it was Jonathan's point, which I'd started to respond to. It's like, you don't think it's the end of MAGA. I don't either. I just think MAGA has changed and fractured to the point where it's out of his control.

Yeah. It's what he said in that clip we watched. Beyond him. Last week where he's like, I am MAGA. I made it up. I came up with MAGA. You can't do MAGA. You can't do MAGA without me.

Well, right. And like, they are starting to recognize that even if this movement is super powerful, which they're starting to realize it's not because of all the polling that says it's not, that he's not going to be around forever, that the chances that he will still be president somehow on January 21st, 2029 are looking slimmer than they did maybe a few months ago. And so they're like, I can come back to polite society, right? Like you guys You guys aren't going to give me something I can't take off Like the hat, right? I can take off the hat And we're all good I'll just replace the hat

Yeah I won't even wear hat It's fine no hat America first Who could who's gonna argue with that we like America So it's this like testing of the waters of like Can I be a quote unquote normal Republican again Or is this stuff gonna be like Are we tainted forever? Yeah I'm I tainted with Trump forever We should talk about Trump's

um about face on the Epstein files supposedly yes that's interesting isn't it yeah he has truth socialed that the house should vote to release the Epstein files like he said on friday uh well yeah the house should vote to release the Epstein files i wasn't working behind the scenes for months trying to stop this from happening but this potential snag is that he has also directed the Department of justice to open an investigation into the Democrats, like Bill Clinton, et cetera, who might be implicated in these files that they have already said they've gone through and there's nothing else to do there. So potentially, they could say, well, we can release all the files that aren't part of the ongoing investigation because you can't release files that are part

of an ongoing investigation, et cetera. So that might be the Trump workaround for the House and Senate passing a bill that he then feels that he has to sign he'll sign it if he's for now if he knows that they can you know what he's been doing all weekend you know running different scenarios I'm sure but yeah you get to argue sorry we can't and then it's honestly the best and only move he has in with this situation as opposed to just vetoing something once it clears the house and the Senate he now gets to say it's got my full support but I'm blaming the judges that won't allow me to release it.

Exactly. The activist judges won't let me release the files. And so I guess that's his best 5D chess move. The only explanation again for all of his behavior must be that he doesn't know what's in there. He's like maybe there is nothing

documenting me, but he knows he did something. He knows he did something. He knows he does something. But then how could he not know? How could he not know? His cronies have all of it. They told him. They told him he's in. I mean, there have been many times where Bondi and Patel have been asked like did you tell Trump things in the files

and they got so mad so yes they did tell him so he at least knows he's there but he doesn't know what and I feel like there's an element of like either there's stuff in there that is like oh so this is even worse than the

birthday card that you sent him which I don't even know what that has to be the bar it's got to be worse than the birthday card gotta be. Or it's stuff that's like you can glean from it. Like it's like, oh, that's an embarrassing little tidbit. Like it's like stuff that he would be ashamed of, but isn't necessarily like, oh, smoking gun illegal behavior. Like going down on Bill Clinton. Like sucking his mortal enemy's dick. They made it clear with some other Bubba. They made it clear with some other Bubba than Donald Trump blew. Wow. Wow. Yeah. A whole bunch of shellfish. He is just like he's giving

all of these deals to the Bubba Gump Shrimp Company, so it's basically like he's philating them. Yeah, it's a metaphorical. That is actually more believable than Bill Clinton. Um, I mean... Clip it. Put it on social. I'm not going to say that Donald Trump sucked Bill Clinton's dick. I'm going to say that Jeff Epstein said that Donald Trump sucked...

Jeff Epstein's brother, Mark, said... Well, Epstein's brother Mark said he wasn't talking about that guy. All I'll say is There's clearly a joke There's It's clearly a joke folks 0.5% chance And I find it

So As a side note I find it Kind of upsetting That like the implication That like This is it This is the thing

Well no he like Probably raped young girls I think that two Adult men Consensually sucking each other off Is actually totally fine. Obviously, politically, it's hilarious, if it's true, because, like, what an amazing that's two presidents blow each other. It's hilarious. I honestly couldn't have dreamed

that one up. The idea that it would be like, this is the thing. It's like, no, man, there's two men. They fucking haven't for a good time. It's fine. Maybe Trump doesn't trust his cronies, because if you were Cash Patel or Pam Bondi and you did see something, maybe you wouldn't tell him and keep it as your ace in the whole, maybe he, you know, that's, that's the problem of doing a fascist, cronyist government is you can't really trust them ultimately. Don't trust anybody. Loyalty is big to him, but everyone's loyalty has a breaking point. And if it's protect Donald Trump or go to jail, let's say, in several years, that's going to

change things. They're all banking on, they have to be loyal now. So this guy will give them a pardon the day before he dies or stops being president. Right. But if he should drop dead somehow and it's president J.D. Vance, maybe J.D. Vance isn't quick to give those pardons. And a bunch of people are in some deep shit. Yeah. Plus, his whole movement is imploding in real time.

And people are turning on him. So he doesn't offer protection the way that he maybe did a few months ago. That's one. And I don't know if it's another Thomas Massey quote or one of the other people speaking out about this over the weekend made a very clear point of Donald Trump will be out of office in a few years and the rest of us have to deal with our political reality. And, you know, they don't think about that very often, but they're going to have to start. Well, it dawned on them a couple weeks ago that people can still technically vote. regardless of even what the Supreme Court does, people can still vote. And they want to, and they don't like, yeah.

The one last thing I'll say is, yeah, you build this movement of sycophants. That's all for show. People are hitching their wagon to his wagon, blah, blah, blah, blah. But there's no loyalty. He is somebody that literally his own children shouldn't trust him. So who's to say that they're not going to get the fallout, that they're not. going to be ladled with the blame for whatever happens next. People have to be looking out for themselves because Donald Trump doesn't have their back. Yeah, exactly. That's the,

that's the fascist cronyism problem. Like, it's not just like, oh, everybody's going to like, needs to like check their own back and like, no, we trust anybody because the guy at the top is the, he has the soul of a betrayer. Like, he's just an untrustworthy con man. And that trickles down. That's how it works. So you can't trust him. He can't trust anybody. It's his entire fucking thing.

And you think like it would some of them have to be thinking like is there a way I can get him on a good day and ask him maybe to just do like blanket pardons in advance maybe if I'm Christy Gnome and I'm just doing hugely corrupt crimes out in the open. I might be interested in that. If I'm say illegally attacking boats with fishermen. on them in the middle of the ocean and breaking all kinds of American and international laws doing that.

You'd hope that, you know, your president would have your back in that. You know, like, Vance must feel fine because he just gets to go and lie. Yep. He doesn't have to do the incredible crime breaking the way all these other people are doing them. He just gets to go on TV and lie

and he's got his worst. His worst case scenario is he gets to be an executive at a company in like four or five years or something, or go back to being a senator, maybe. Exactly. That's worst. Exactly, that's worst case. And he's not, he doesn't, he has no loyalty to anybody. Not even his own wife. His wife. Worst case scenario for him is a podcast, I guess. Yeah, yes, exactly. Honestly, for him personally, it's probably like one of the best case scenarios. He would love that. Yeah, he would love it. That's his dream. Come on the pod, JD. We'll. Isn't it weird how a bunch of people in government are like jealous of what we get to do? It's crazy. Every day. Every day. Every day. day like when you see Patel or Vance co-host Charlie's still going podcast. You're like, man, this is all you want. Yeah, that's where they feel at home. It's so funny. Um, quit then. Just don't do it. Just like go, just go do it. Like, if I was the deputy director of the FBI say, I'd probably be like, man, it was a, it was way easier to just sit down, put up something and talk about stuff. But you know

what? Go for it. Go do that. Stop making our job sound so easy. cannot listen to your podcast I can't like not deal with you in the government it's for the record this is very difficult work I mean sure much respect to

Dan Bongino and Cash Patels of the world for their former it must be way easier to be deputy director of the FBI formerly hosting a podcast and oh you can buy like men gun coffee use code man gun for 20% off I'm drinking man gun

coffee. Oh, is it good? I'm drinking man gun coffee. Donald Trump when he was hanging out with Bill Clinton. We should bring the couch stuff back too. Why not? Why not? And I know we have to wrap up.

Can I mention two pieces of semi-breaking news while we're here? Please do. The head of FEMA, David Richardson, has resigned. He's the guy who said he didn't know that the United States had a hurricane season. Hell yeah. Okay. Super qualified. He has resigned.

Seems like he maybe was in over his head anyway. And a federal magistrate judge says they may have to dismiss the case against James Comey because the prosecutor, Lindsay Halligan, may have done some misconduct in the acquiring of the indictment. Of course. She did. The number of blistering rulings in a blistering 24-page ruling, we're setting records for blistering rules. Oh, I'm all blistered. That is so funny.

I mean, not unexpected. It's the, I mean, it's the stuff that we'll see with a lot of things that Cash Patel is trying to do. A lot of the cases that Cash Patel is in charge of. Probably going to get thrown out due to his misconduct and weird conduct online, tweeting about things that haven't even happened yet. And then tipping people off by your tweets. He's distracted sending security details to his girlfriend who lives in another state. I understand. It's a, it's a tough act to juggle. Cash.

Oh, buddy. Anyway, very, very funny. An unsurprising development about a case that the president demanded happen. No matter what. You got to do this. Oh, you're not doing it. Well, I'll hire somebody who will. And then they, this is what happens.

Someone who's never done this before or presented to a grand jury and did, quote, fundamental and highly prejudicial misstatements of the law while talking to that grand jury. So you go through the grand jury transcripts And if you know anything about the law I don't but they do and they're like Well this is a bunch of nonsense Can't be saying that you can't be doing that That's not how it works

Reckless negligent Oh my God Hilarious God these guys At least it's funny So fucking clownish They can't even do what they're trying They can't do what they're trying to do

They're so bad at this They didn't get better from the first term But they're still so bad It's do do do do do do Stepping on rakes left and right. Yeah. All right, folks, that's it for us today. Rakes that they made themselves.

That they made. We can make our own rakes. We placed all those rakes out there before. Anyway, folks, we did it. We're done for today. Like, subscribe. You know the drill, I think. I think you know the drill.

Do you think that's what Clinton said? We did it. We're done. Oh, I thought you're asking if you said like and subscribe. You know the drill. Maybe he did. I don't know. Maybe he wants to be a podcast or too.

I'm sure he does. That was a good one, Donnie. Do people know? Yuck it up. I haven't heard a straight-up Clinton impression and, you know. They're fun. They're still fun. We love you very much.

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