Some More News - Pride Month, Ted Cruz, And EVEN MORE Freedom Of Reach

Episode Date: June 2, 2023

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Hello and welcome back to even more news the first and only news podcast. My name is Katie Stoll. Oh me oh my it's me and my name is Cody Johnston. That's good. That's cute. Hi, Cody. And joining us today for the second time, but the first time for me because I wasn't there that day, is podcast producer, comedian, all-around fun fellow, Taylor Moore. Hello, hello, hello. So nice to meet you, Katie. Thrilled to have you. Before we started recording, I was talking about, well, when there's a guest that I haven't met before, there's always that moment of like, what's this going to be like? But the second you came on the Zoom, I was like, nah, he gets it. He seems fun. Well, I'm warmed up from eight hours of Zoom meetings before this.

Oh, that warms you up? I love it. Oh. Yeah. Hot take. this. Oh, that warms you up? I love it. Oh, yeah. I work in a little office with my little computer and my little dog sitting on the bed a few feet away. I never really see anybody. So whenever I'm on Zoom, it's like my chance to get out of the Dharma Initiative bunker and like interact with human beings. And baby, we love it. this is such a positive spin yes now you can't see this but there's a lot of i've used my own feasties to sort of scrawl a lot of manifestos

in the walls of the bunker but the zoom camera only shows the part that i yeah yeah that is the beauty of the zoom camera we can hide all of our weird proclivities not that that's weird but perhaps i don't know thank you no judgment this is a safe space yes finally because my bunker is flooding yeah you know what you know with what oh boy uh well we're gonna hear more about that or maybe some other things i don't know but, we have got to acknowledge the holidays. Um, obviously, well, maybe not obviously to you. This is June 1st, and that is the first day of Pride Month. But that deserves a much bigger conversation than our goof abouts in the holiday section so we're gonna save that for in a few

minutes but june 1st is also dare day huh the perfect opportunity for people to break out of their shells and do something different or just dare someone else to do something hey taylor i dare you to show us your dirty walls. That's the big one. Oh my God! He wasn't joking! You didn't say they were so slimy. Well, my most recent stuff is the best stuff.

Oh. You can tell. You can see the stink lines. It means it's pure. I look at the walls I scrawled down with my own feces like six months ago and i'm like ah who is that guy i don't know him anymore it's good to evolve it's good to grow also maybe clean it up to make room for more i don't get a lot of walls down here dare day well i'm gonna send you a magic eraser to see how that does for you. Okay. Hard to get back. A lot of them. Okay. June 2nd, National I Love My Dentist Day.

I Love My Dentist Day began so that you can send a thank you note or email to your dentist thanking them for the work they've done for you in the past. No. I paid them. That was their thank you. Yeah. Their thank you is. Wait a second. Can you imagine?

Can you imagine if one day of the year, a dentist's office is all of a sudden flooded with every patient they've ever had sending a... They'd be like, the fuck? This is... What? I also like how they don't tell you really why it started. Oh, it began so that you can send a thank you note.

No, it began because a dentist was like, I want a thank you note. Or it began because began because like well we need more business at the dentist some dentists started this and there's no information about it they were like oh these people have no gratitude for what i do to their teeths for a very expensive price point oh i'm getting conflicting information says every year on march 6th we celebrate national oh national i love my dentist day yeah that's wait wait a second oh my god fake news we're fake we're fake newsing everybody i'm so sorry no come on come on i spend so much time on the holidays you know what i just but then there's also it says also june 2nd maybe there's two that's so

insidious these fucking dentists doesn't feel like i've yet to i just have my birthday i don't even have a holiday and yet these people have two holidays yeah moms get one moms get one moms get every day okay some dentist sitting around two months after national i love my dentist day being like i wish it was here again now i missed it to be fair only one source says march 6th so i apologize jonathan for besmirching your research how dare you jonathan's at the top of this game how dare how dare me on dare day it feels like this should be the end of the holiday segment but i like this well cat entry Jonathan's provided. So one more coming at you. June 2nd.

Yell fudge at the cobras in North America day. Oh, what? I'm going to read the blurb. Anywhere north of the Panama Canal, in order to keep poisonous cobra snakes out of North America, all citizens are asked to go outdoors at noon local time and yell fudge fudge makes cobras gag and the mere mention of it makes them ski daddle no the fuck is this that's a well cat holiday is what that is why don't they just shout like guns guns kill cobras yeah guns for like fudge specifically i don't think that fudge if it makes cobra cobra's gag okay i believe you i guess they don't i don't fudge you're right we should take

them at their word what makes these kinds of holidays so joyous for me is that they have an inside joke about that makes this make sense and they won't share it with anyone they're just like check this out on the website right check out this holiday that me and one other person celebrate for our cute little reason this is this is like some peak 2003 internet stuff or Or like some kids in a Sunday school got together and did a petition and they thought it would be funny and random. Oh, so. Yeah. Well, so Wellcat is exactly that all year round. Oh, good.

They sell like herbs and they advertise these holidays. And they're all like this. It's so strange. And they will not let us interview them. And I hope they got a bump in business. Just like a little bit. Like a couple days. Do they have a Twitter presence?

No. There's no way. I promise you they do not. Do they have a Twitter presence? Okay, no. I hope they've made a little money off this. Otherwise, it's just like... Wellcat turd too.

We're harassing them from afar. That's funny, Cody. Thank you. Oh, wait. No. No, they don't have one. There's just somebody tweeting about it. Electric Light.

Holidays created by Thomas and Ruth Roy of Wellcat Holidays and Herbs. Holidays and Herbs. They know the difficulty of living with a pocket full of regrets that can haunt a person during every quiet hour and knew that letting them go was the only way to find peace i don't get this at all i don't know that resonates with me i'm haunted every quiet hour anywho this was a weird detour. Okay. Okay. Okay. Taylor. Hello. Now we're going to chat as if we haven't been.

You're in the clear. Almost had a quiet hour for a second. So you have recently edited your last episode of Rude Tales of Magic. God bless it. Dish with it. God bless it. What's up? Why are you leaving? What's next?

What's in the old pipeline? It turns out that humans need sleep to live. We were just talking about this, too. Yeah. Yeah. And I fell into a habit of working 100 hours a week and not sleeping uh and that makes you go crazy yeah it was have y'all ever like been exposed to like severe serial sleep deprivation jonathan you're up just had a kid jonathan just had a baby oh really how how bad is the sleep deprivation

um it's pretty bad uh but but not so bad that I'm, like I'm sleeping about five hours a night right now. Okay. So I'm functioning. Okay. But yeah, I'm not like, I could drive. Good. All right, so let me give you some pro tips.

If you start to hallucinate bugs or mice running around in the periphery of your vision, it's nap time for Jonathan. You got to go to bed. Oh, no. Taylor, this sounds pretty intense. We're having laughs. It's horrible. It's not good for you.

But also, if you do start to hallucinate about mice running around, that means you're sleep deprived and you should go to bed. Stop podcasting. I guess my question is, so your walls are smeared with shit. Do you think maybe that was why they were there? Yeah. I don't know. Good for you for knowing that you need to do that.

Cause I also know like how passionate you were about like that show, that crew and just like putting you can tell when you listen to the episodes how much you put into it and um thank you knowing that it's just it's not good for you it must have been like a very tough oh it's horrible oh it's terrible because so so you know like i've had office jobs before in the back around when the pandemic started ended up you know producing running my own sort of podcast production company. And, you know, before the beginning of April, we were publishing four shows and ramping up to release a fifth this summer. And it was and that's you know, it starts with seeing the mice in the floor and then it gets worse and worse and worse.

Y'all, my skin turned green like a character in a cartoon who's supposed to be visually sick like unbelievable actually turned green or was it that's how you your eyes were seeing it no i had to you yeah i had to check because your eyes get so bad and you know i've been looking at a computer screen for 14 hours, your vision starts to get weird. But no, apparently if like, like certain, like in times of like high stress, your body will reallocate oxygen. Like typically, like the reason people in cartoons who get nauseous in like Looney Tunes with Bugs Bunny

and they get nauseous and they turn green is because if you get like seasick or like, you know, your body will like push blood and oxygen to your internal organs or move it around and it takes it away from the capillaries of your skin. And so the hue of your skin changes. And I went to the bathroom and I looked in the mirror and I looked the shade of green from an Easter M&M.

You know, like that beautiful pastel at the inside of one of the fancy McDonald's from the 80s. And yes, it's that kind of weird pastel green. That can happen to you. That is not just something you've seen in a loonied tune. I didn't realize that cartoons were so medically accurate. All of it is. But now I will never doubt it.

It's, yeah. Yeah. medically accurate but now i will never doubt it it's yeah yeah so do you have uh anything that you're focusing on now instead or just giving yourself some time to regroup katie i'm so glad you asked i'm focusing on sleep taking some baths in my bathtub and worlds beyond number uh my my new project that launched this year um it's a the sort of like, if you know Rude Tales, it's the same sort of thing. Improvising stories with games around tables, recording it and adding a bunch of fun effects

and music later. It's been wild. We launched, and at launch time we broke all of Patreon's launch records. The response has been absolutely just incredible. It's Brendan Mulligan, you know, from Dimension 20. You know, if you're a tabletop person, you know all these people,

Brendan Mulligan, Aya Iyengar, Lou Wilson, Erika Ishii. It's a murderer's row of people sitting around and doing make-em-ups. Love it. This sounds awesome. I can't wait to check that out. Oh, check it out. Okay, well, we'll circle back around to that at the end and you can plug it.

Twice. We're doing it twice. Worlds Beyond Number, we'll do it twice. Yeah. Hey there, you pieces of motherfucking goddamn asshole shits and everybody else. Did you know that there are websites out there? Websites right now that you can visit. know that there are websites out there websites right now that you can visit one of those websites is patreon.com slash some more news the web page of a website that helps support this podcast even

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I've definitely talked enough here. Back to me talking more with people about topics. Patreon.com slash some more news. patreon.com slash some more news okay well i think it's time to talk about the news um like i mentioned earlier it is pride month this is the first day of pride month and you can't ignore all of the terrifying rhetoric surrounding the lgbtq plus community that has been everywhere for the past year but especially right now it does feel like everything's been coming to a very extreme head and all the worst people you can think of have been chiming in with the worst types of opinions you know the types the people the matt walsh's the jordan peterson, the Matt Walshes, the Jordan Petersons, Tim Pools, etc. And everyone at the Daily Wire.

Yeah, and every state legislature. And every state legislature. Most terrifyingly. Also, yes, lawmakers who you don't know the names of that are quietly doing this. The truth is that all of this rhetoric has very real and serious effects on people's lives. Threats of violence against the community have amplified. They just keep getting worse and more often, according to the Department of Homeland Security. Which we love, by the way. Yes, it's getting, yeah what is it dhs specifically

referenced the rhetoric around drag themed events gender affirming care and lgbtqia plus curricula in schools as being linked to the rise in threats uh nearly 500 anti-lgbtq bills have been introduced just this year in state houses yeah it's also often bills that are sort of couched in this language that uh are attempted to give sort of plausible deniability like even like the first i think that was really uh people were talking about is the like florida's don't say gay bill but if you look if you read the bill it doesn't say don't say gay, so it means that it's fine. But the language in it effectively does that. And I think that's part of why a lot of this continues, because it allows Twitter Blue users and people in that realm to be like, you're just making this up.

You're like, that's not what it says. And then it continues and continues and then they also call for public executions or whatever they're doing today. Yeah, that's the thing, it doesn't matter what the bill says. It's a PR initiative in the culture war and to name a victim that everyone can act

like it's their fault that things are going bad so that the people in power don't have to take responsibility for the fact that it's hard for you to pay for your kid's college, and food is expensive. Right, right. Now, do y'all remember the first time, and I think, well, first time in my life,

that gay people and queer people were used as a specific wedge issue for, I think it was the second Bush presidential run, where it was that they made the biggest. The whole election was about gay marriage in 2004. And then as soon as he was reelected, they just sort of didn't talk about that for 20 years. Yeah, they don't. Yeah, it's all sort of they know they want to get a certain crowd out to vote and get that big support.

And then they don't really do anything about it. And it's sort of come to this because because like even, like we talked about, you know, 2016, 2017, 2018, you don't hear about this stuff that much. And it's definitely ramped up. It's not scary, it's not bad, people are fine with it. Yeah. It's only the absolute freaks and weirdos in power

who you wouldn't spend 10 minutes talking to at a bar that pretend to care about this stuff. Well, I will say that, yes. However, what is effective is the focus on kids. And that is what is convoluting and complicating the whole conversation in many ways i think for the average american i think you're right like i mean i don't know we have here the polling there's lots of polling trying to ascertain how people feel about you know trans people and trans rights and it's just so complicated and everybody's so heavily influenced by the media circus, by all of these laws, by these bills.

And they always include the whole focus becomes about children. And that is full of, you know, disinformation, full of exaggerations, videos, things that are out of context and absolutely not reflective of the reality of what this means and disconnected from any sense of empathy for what the other side like like just this is a conversation i got into the other night like do you think that anybody wants to choose to make their life harder you know do you really think that this wouldn't be happening like i mean it's just blows my mind the disconnect but the the propaganda machine is strong and people don't even know what to think

and even the polling is like part of that too like you're keeping it up in the conversations like this is the most important thing that we're talking about that we're asking you about but like by doing that you're making that the most important thing we're talking about and but also and like it's like they're framing it like well we're trying to ascertain like you know who's what do people think what like what should we do with policy as if polling has ever ever influenced actual policy yeah uh there's so many issues where like the overwhelming majority of people in the country agree on like gun control things like that that's never gonna happen they don't care what people actually think the uh it's like it's always a follow the money thing you look at polling like 20 years ago 40 years ago it trails the actual like the actual laws that go into effect are all like follow the money not the

actual like polling that is done or what public opinion is um so it's also just sort of disingenuous to be like well we just want to know what people think about it no you don't because it's not gonna affect anybody the news organizations i think want to justify their continued insistence on covering this as like an issue. So they really like getting polls where people call, you know, someone's getting a phone call. And they're like, what do you think about this 10th grade swim meet? And everyone's like, wait, what? What's going on? Do I have to care about the 10th grade swim meet now?

What the hell's going on? But the New York Times is like, oh, good. There's even split on this. So now I'm just writing 10 more op-eds about it yeah and it gives the impression that this is a huge bigger than issue that bigger than it is instead of what it actually is is like an acceptance and a finally real finally realizing that people are born differently and that people have had to live in hiding and self-hatred and confusion for a long time and now there's finally a community and there's finally a path and i just want to circle

back on this kids part because it's complicated it's hard to talk about it but you know there's all these misleading stories about you know teachers shoving this down children's throat or parents forcing their kids to do some gender reassignment and you're like what are you talking about you know like is in there but then you know like it could happen like sure i guess some place maybe some parent but that's not what we're talking about people take guns and shoot everyone up and you're not upset about guns so what are we talking about here at the end of the day what what all of gender for gender affirming care includes therapy it includes uh time spent with doctors it includes you know making sure that a kid is taken care of there's

a lot of damage that can happen to a child that's growing up in the wrong body and they if you can if you can give them puberty blockers to help them you know it's it's so individual to give them time to figure it out and like the the last step would be you know gender reassignment surgeries and and we're not even you're conflating all of this and just ostracizing a whole community. And the next part is so the justification for all of this outrage keeps being put onto children. But the conclusion is anti-trans people in general. And it's not their point. Their point is the trans community.

Yeah, they get the news stories and they get their foot in the door by talking about the kids. Same way with the satanic panic. Same way with the comic books are going to kill it, like are ruining our kids. Rock and roll is ruining our kids. I think there was even a moral panic about just kids reading in general in the 19th century. Like they get their foot in the door with, but what about the children? But yeah, you're absolutely right. The actual effect of like the things

they are complaining about in the world are literally infinitesimal. If you look at the statistics of people who regret gender affirming surgery, it's 0.000, hold on, there's four, 0.00003%, which is like, surgery it's point zero zero zero hold on there's four point zero zero zero zero three percent which is like that is the number of people who regret their gender affirming surgery and if you look at just people who've had the surgery you have you have a there is a rate of regret that

is equal to or lower people who got knee replacement surgery i was gonna yeah exactly it's like it's this issue and that because also it's not it they want to get there for the door for all these reasons and it's ultimately leading to just anti like gay people in general they want to open it up to and you see like again like these daily wire freaks uh mostly are leading the charge that is their end goal they're all they're all fundamentalists and they have this sort of theocratic fascist underpinnings to their ideology and that's what they want to go to and i there's just what there's this one every fucking year with this guy there's a bunch of pure tweet

they always talk about like celebrating pride for this like why are you so proud and it's this weird like what fucking rules right it'll tell you it fucking rules yeah but even if you don't think it rules like it's this weird like disingenuous like framing like well pride is a sin like all these things Do you not understand like how language works and how society for decades and centuries and millennia have shamed like the word shame people who are gay? And finally, it's more accepted. And so instead of being feeling shameful, they're going to feel proud and celebrate pride.

Like it's a very simple concept to understand but they couch it in this sort of like biblical terms and this like well semantically it's like shut the fuck up what do you mean you know what they're talking about it's to celebrate that they exist and can exist and in the next breath they'll say i'm so proud to be descended from the aenian cultural tradition. Exactly. My, my, uh, What? Applied, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And it's just so very obvious.

Um, and also, uh, Katie, your point too, you were talking about sort of like, there are all these like little, like these tiny stories. It's like, oh, this, this one kid in Utah

or like, uh, this, this one swimmer is ruining it for everyone in the country. And oftentimes a lot of these stories like especially like a lot of the college campus stories and things like that they blow up because like the new york times or the new yorker or whatever and then like a week or two later an

actual journalist will look into it and they'll be like this is actually bullshit like i talked to other people you know like a journalist and they deny that this ever happened. So it always ends up being like, well, that's not really true. Maybe there's like a half truth in there. But by then, everyone latched on to the first one, and they're going to constantly share that no matter what. And then you get into this, like, back and forth, like, well, actually, this didn't happen. And then it's pointless. Everyone's already locked into what they think. It's very frustrating. So hard to push back against it. Everyone listens to the show knows that i have conversations up here and i'll get get into it with people and you know with i think we should talk about some of these boycotts about target

but specifically with the miller light thing i sent someone um an article about how i believe it was in canada but a couple was attacked they'd bought some beer and were leaving a liquor store and some people attacked them because they thought that this couple had Bud Light they didn't but it was this whole thing they were assaulted and I was like this even if they did but like even if they did but I'm saying they didn't even have it but these people thought that they did and and I was like this is wild when you you know a lot of the conversations are like it just keeps getting shoved in our faces and blah blah blah i'm like yeah but don't you see the media is doing it the politicians are doing it

and every example that you see of people getting angrier and angrier within the trans community within the gay community is because they're being attacked. Here they are literally being attacked. And I mean, yeah, I don't know how you cannot see these connections. You know, of course, people are angry. Of course, of course, we're all going to get louder and louder and fight harder and harder because they are under attack. And you all respect the idea of fighting back when you're attacked how do you not understand this when it's just something that well they don't understand it yeah stand your ground unless i'm mad at your beer choice it is very telling that y'all brought up stand your ground and say your ground culture right this like american cowboy idea of like there's a 10-foot circle

around you and if someone does something in it you don't like it's okay to murder a human like that idea I think is tied in to the true ideologues motivation behind a lot of the state laws and things because I think

that they know I mean look at what's been happening recently you pull into the wrong driveway a guy shoots you from his porch. You knock on that house and be like, oh, I thought this was 269 and not 271. And someone shoots you in the face. You know, all these things. People, like, there's a culture of these people who are on edge and armed. And the only thing, the last missing ingredient before you get to death is you're a criminal.

If they think that you're a criminal or doing something criminal in any way, they will use that as an excuse to kill you and to hurt you. And so all the, and I'm not talking about the politicians or the people who are just taking advantage of this moment to use it as a wedge issue so they can lower taxes later. I mean, they're having these consequences, but there are some true, brutally fascist neo-Nazis that are actually hateful towards these groups. I do think that they are hoping that by criminalizing or creating the idea that being gay or trans is criminal,

if they can introduce that idea into the general population they will be flipping the green light on for people to just kill queer and gay and trans people i i i hate to think that cynically but i mean just come on yeah don't you think that conversation's happening yeah it's a it all it's all a big pool of kind of the same stuff floating around and uh you know some of the oils uh in it are like a little more obvious uh than others and it's really really just sort of clear what's going on um i and i don't want to get too depressing in this episode but i am i i kind of worried about this particular pride month because of yeah me too of course uh all of these attacks and like even like even the target stuff and

it's all sort of based off like these again like these like half truths like what the like oh they're selling like uh uh tuck friendly swimsuits for kids um it's for they're for adults actually interestingly enough um and all these things like you go to like, yeah, they're removing stuff from their shelves because people are going and harassing their employees who just work there. And the violence is just sort of getting bomb throttling up bomb threats, all this sort of stuff. the month where it's the most visible because like you're saying like it's like the feeling of being attacked for who you are is why people seem angry about like all these attacks and it's like for the past five to seven years it seemed like well maybe we're more accepted maybe it's okay to exist more presently and more openly um And that is, you know, it all, progress always leads to this sort of like fascist backlash

and some are stronger than others. Some are, you know, stamped out faster than others. But this is amidst like in a country where, we're not even the school shooting country anymore. We're just the public mass shooting country. It's a mall. It's a school. It's a park.

It's a movie theater. It's a parade. It's a parade. It's all these places. And when we have that culture, that is our culture. Sorry, folks. That's what we are. That's it.

I keep seeing people in Americans visiting you know a car will backfire and like the americans will be like scared and then uh they're like what do you what do you work with there was a car backfiring oh well we live in a country where that could be uh death oh yeah i just thought somebody was shooting off fireworks to celebrate our easily accessible health care exactly and it's just like the we're we're at this place where um it's just like violence is like not just accepted in certain circumstances it's encouraged in many circumstances um like you're saying like yeah knock on the wrong door be around the wrong person and like make them feel unsafe for whatever reason oh you're ranting on the bus i'm gonna choke you to death and then i'm gonna be celebrated by half the politicians in the country

and they're probably gonna start legislating more so it's legal right if this if this murderer uh gets convicted of murder for murdering that guy i you can easily imagine a world where a year from now there are legislators on the local level or the state level trying to make something like that more legal to happen. This sort of legalization of vigilante justice, which to a lot of people is just, well, they make me uncomfortable or like maybe they're a criminal. Maybe something, something, something. There are no angels. There are no angels. Exactly.

Something says no angel to me about this person, so it's okay. I also want to be clear. High bar for America. You've got to be an angel. No angel. You've got to be an angel, yeah. I mean, this isn't exactly a positive take, but I do want to chime in because it's really easy. We're talking about this and trying to unpack people's resistance to it.

It's really easy for us to paint it all in a broad brush i think that there are some really disingenuous characters stoking the flames i think there are politicians i think there are media people that enjoy the ad revenue and the clicks and i think that there are a significant amount of people and i talked to a lot of them who genuinely believe and accept that people have the right to live their life how they want and are genuinely concerned about children and about what this means moving forward. And while that's still a frustrating conversation, a lot of people do not wish harm. And I just personally think it's important to point that out because i've i have

frustrating conversations and i also feel like a lot of people are also they don't want violence against you know they don't want it to be like this so i just think that that's an important perspective in terms of like like a lot of the polling is it's like well the existence of trans people is fine you know yeah it's i totally i think it's also it's unfortunate because i think you're right that a lot of people don't even realize what they're sort of playing into exactly or being like propagandized against yes and so they don't even realize like oh it is going to lead to this point where maybe you'll suddenly realize like oh oh no oh no this is what it was leading to the whole time and i think communicating that is really important to like even though you think that's not what you're doing or you're thinking many of the people and a lot of

people that are driving this like think tank like religious twerps who like have these like plans uh they they tweet them out the the roof christopher rufo uh crt freak uh from what the manhattan institute and the other place that also sucks i can't remember the name of um focus on the family it's some bullshit like that and it's like they have these they know what they're doing and they have a plan and they know that there are wedge issues they know the ultimate end goal for them is to uh as like uh that daily wire freak points out they want to eradicate it from public society what does that mean well to them well i'm just saying like the ideology i want to get rid of the ideology well it's a person's personhood is not an ideology

um if you want to equate the ideology to an individual and you say you want to eradicate the ideology what does that mean and they're on the record for saying quote they want to eliminate transgenderism which and if someone has already had you know if someone has already transitioned in their life either just socially or just bought some shirts that they feel fit better or has gone through surgery like so you're gonna like round these people up and force them to do what like right like so many right-wing ideas if you just take it two steps farther it leads you into like oh you're suggesting we do the most insane thing i can imagine to other human beings and unfortunately the people who have

no intention of things leading to violence like some of the world's worst atrocities ever were built on the support of a large group of people who didn't know that that's what they were ultimately supporting yeah it's just important to always sort of like make that link clear and just like again though because how do you convince people like how well not i don't know if it's important to always sort of like make that link clear and just like, again, how do you convince people? Well, not, I don't know if convince the right word. Like I feel like I can recognize when my sympathies and emotions are being

played on to create like a wedge issue sort of thing so that one side or one politician can like win me to their, you know, like side of the tribal, like uh divide how and i think what enables me to do that is like for instance like i said earlier i remember when they tried this with gay people earlier and like how disingenuous that turned out to be and how stupid it was on its face but like people who have lived through this before like how do you

convince them like hey this is just like that thing they did last time i think that it takes a lot longer than any of us would want um of expose and exposure to more people um i think that it take for some people it takes knowing someone i think there is also an element outside of what's happening right now which is just so intense because you know even gay marriage stuff was before we had social media the way it is now that's true you know and everything gets amplified and you know we have different technologies and different things and there's it it's just heated so it's hard and i know what i'm doing is not shutting my mouth I've

been I keep my calm I mean because I like people that listen to the show and like I've I've met lots of people with different opinions up here and people that I really respect and like and they have for the most part respectful conversations with me and I have made some headway I have made points and I'm not saying that I've changed anyone's mind but it's like I I'm not a trans woman uh I have the luxury of being and I don't it feels a little corny to say that I'm not like trying to paint myself as some fucking hero but I'm not gonna pretend that I I'm not who I am and I'm going to have these conversations that are hard and I know that some other people might feel more vulnerable and than me personally it's harder to have those

conversations we can't we kind of uh I guess it's available for patrons this week next week we sort of talk about like civility the civility conversation and protest and stuff and like it's easy for people to see somebody screaming go well you're unreasonable and everything you're saying is wrong whereas like the opposition is like well i'm calmly saying that i want to eradicate transgenderism so actually i'm being the reasonable one i'm reasonable but because they're being civil and uh it is a there's a benefit to being able to have these conversations a little more calmly to be able to reach people in that way it's unfortunate and also unfortunately i think it you know people are very emotional and uh it got it uh it's quicker to radicalize somebody than to de-radicalize somebody and

like you're saying even like knowing somebody there's this uh ted cruz fucking tweet about this you got new ugandan law that gives the death penalty for homosexuality and he's like this is horrific and wrong sorry um it's like this is horrific and wrong. Sorry, he's like, wait, this is horrific and wrong. Thank you. They didn't know what you were talking about for a second. Yeah, no, no, no. Yeah.

But, and then obviously he's getting a lot of backlash from again, the blue check world. For saying this. The blue checks are for the Ugandan death penalty? Well, they're not fully against it. So a lot of, a lot of a lot of little fact checking from the blue checks today uh it's so funny how like they're like we hate the hall monitors and now but also we're the hall monitors yeah the way the blue checks are couching there

we're disappointed in you is like you should spend more time worrying about america your focus should be here at home why are you talking about this as if it takes yeah it's one tweet god uh for one of the most online senators in the world to like fire off one tweet like absurd but uh it's you know um that's one guy and who knows how like genuine he is but uh his uh i think his daughter came out uh like last year um and has been going through some stuff and i feel like that's another example of like he's been playing into this for a long time and the party and the sort of method and there is possibly this speculation but this element of like now i know somebody you know and so uh somebody you love is going through this and talking to you and be like, well, no, this like this is what's leading towards.

Maybe one hopes maybe it got through to him. But that's what it takes for a lot of these people is to literally know somebody in their life who's close to them, who is experiencing this so they can communicate to them. Except for Elon Musk, who has a trans daughter and does not give a fuck. Well, that that guy's just a crab. I mean, that is a Spider-Man. Not the good kind of Spider-Man. Yeah, Spider-Creature. That saves you from falling and kisses you upside down.

The bad kind who's just like... If a spider was as smart as Chad GPT and had $20 billion. So, not smart, extremely rich. Bad and wrong, but somehow we've created a system that put him at the top of everything. Yeah. and had 20 billion dollars. So not smart, extremely rich. Bad and wrong, but somehow we've created a system that put him at the top of everything. Yeah, so first I guess just point out that like,

again this sort of like, radicalization is quick and then you're locked in and de-radicalization takes a long time, but apparently if you have a trans daughter it doesn't work. Five years ago, Tesla was like, look, Pride Month. Fucking here's our fucking rainbow car or whatever, because we want people to exist and be happy that they exist and so on. And someone I think I blocked actually or the tweet was deleted. I think the original response to it that I assume was some person who today would subscribe to Twitter blue.

I was like, this is evil. You're doing now whatever uh and musk tweeted back don't buy our car if that's a problem people should be free to live their lives where their hearts take them a bunch of different colors of hearts and a rainbow good tweet elon you fucking did the bare minimum great job five years ago um and now today he's being like five years ago but well no um that's that's true we actually did an episode about him i think five years ago yeah he sucks in his uh union buster but it was news then it was exactly but like so like again the bare minimum and i think like two days ago he tweeted something like uh many some fucking reddit shit was like

people some most people go woke so they can wear the virtue cloak, I believe is the tweet that he did, because he logged onto RhymeZone.com and was like, woke. Oh, that's the one. RhymeZone is now worth one third of what it was before he bought RhymeZone. Exactly. $5 billion for RhymeZone. if it was or what it was before he bought rhyme zone somehow five billion dollars for rhyme zone

gotta delete the fucking woke definition um but now but yeah now he's doing that um and then this other thing from today which now jonathan you may walk us through the tweet yes so twitter uh okay i guess the daily wire reached out to twitter to see if they could post all of their what is a woman movie and then promote it to everyone on twitter for like 10 hours um and i guess twitter initially agreed to this and then people from twitter not elon watched the movie and were like oh wait no this is horrible and then cancelled that deal even though the Daily Wire can still post the whole movie because they pay for Twitter Blue so they can post long

videos. Yeah exactly. So the Jeremy Boring the co-CEO of Daily Wire tweeted this whole. Wait wait hold on sorry DJ take that back. What? Jeremy Boring Boring. Boring.

Okay. B-O-R-E-I-N-G. Co-CEO of Daily Wire. From Garing to Baring. Yeah. Maybe it is Baring. Okay. No, it's definitely Boring.

It's Boring. He did a 16-tweet thread about, like, here's what happened. Here's why they canceled the deal. And Twitter's not for free speech anymore. And I want to read elon musk's reply which is he also pays for twitter blue so it's a long tweet does he though only only a little bit long here it is or he was gifted he was gifted and it's all very open to interpretation so here we go this was a mistake by many people at twitter it is definitely allowed whether or not

you agree with using someone's preferred pronouns, not doing so is at most rude and certainly breaks no laws. I should note that I do personally use someone's preferred pronouns, just as I use someone's preferred name, simply from the standpoint of good manners. However, for the same reason, I object

to rude behavior, ostracism, or threats of violence if the wrong pronoun or name is used i am confused by this thoughts and questions so first of all again back to his daughter um i find it odd that he frames this as at most using the wrong pronouns is rude um and like because even if you're like this kind of guy like i'm i subscribe to twitter blue because i want to post john wick for for all to see or whatever even if you're that kind of guy um not to besmirch the person who posted john wick for uh in all its glory uh

kudos to that person but at most it's cruel if you have a trans daughter and you're calling her him and he to her face that's not just rude that is cruel uh to your daughter elon um so that's a weird framing to me like it seems dishonest to be like well it's kind of rude but then also later he's like however i also object to rude behavior if the wrong pronoun is used but wait you do you not object to the rude behavior of the pronoun you said it was rude so in response to the rude thing you can't be rude to rude you can't be rude to rude two roots don't make a right you can be rude one you can't be rude too so like it's i'm more confused about what he's saying after this conversation he's a horrible communicator he should not have purchased this communication platform he is bad at it um and so but also like

what do you mean you object to it you you personally object to it is it it is are you saying anything about the policy or is it you i object to rude behavior okay i don't give a fuck who cares i object to all kinds of things but like i don't own the platform so what it's so unclear what he's saying it's like are you going to allow the nazi movie to be promoted to everyone on the platform that's what we're asking right well i think it's maybe not nice but you also think that misgendering people is maybe not nice so what do you object to you can't say well i object to you know i i use preferred pronouns i also don't i'm not rude to somebody who doesn't well what are you saying what do you mean it's nothing it's a nothing tweet what a weird well

it's like why is it allowed he's a weird guy. Well, it's like, why is it allowed? He's a weird guy. All these people are so weird. Why are they in charge of everything? These are the weirdest, hate little weirdos. And not in the fun way. Not in the way where someone's weird and you're like, oh, get him over. She can tell a story.

You got to listen to what happened to her when she was traveling abroad in Slovenia. No, it's just like these people are intolerable to be around why did we make all the blue checks in charge of who gets to live and die because we made a mistake a month eight bucks a month things a mistake just burn it down oh god yeah it's um blue sky right do you like it is it better there's no one there which is nice it's like being in the desert it's like going to joshua tree yeah okay it's like a vacation it's very quiet no one else around too hot though sure yeah yeah sorry cody what were you saying oh no just yeah it's fine um still trying to navigate how because i use twitter mostly to

like tell people to fucking shut the fuck up, because they're wrong or whatever, or, like, you know, tweets, whatever. So Blue Sky, it's like, eh, everyone here's kind of cool. I guess I'll do, like, silly jokes again. Yeah. Like, this sort of, like, transition to, like,

oh, six years ago, it was all fun and games. But, yeah, so there's some recalibration with Blue Sky for me. The video is a violation of their terms of service, right? For Twitter by misgender. Well, I think they changed their terms of service, right? Oh, okay. The explanation that they gave, according to Jeremy Boring, was that they removed the specificity of misgendering

from their, like, banned things, but that misgendering is still against their terms of service because it falls under a general heading. So whoever's in charge of this has censored the What is a Woman posts, I would argue rightfully so, and Elon's like, no, this should be allowed, and then nothing's changed so it's just

a well so he has said he has said uh at least once uh very publicly freedom of speech is not freedom of reach many again blue checks think that he invented that fucking phrase that so many people use before him but like putting a little like a sensor bar like oh you have to click an extra button to view this hateful content that's more or less what uh he's saying and um that's fine you want a little extra you know button i don't want to see that shit there's so much hateful stuff on this website now it's like it bad. It's a stream of just like, look at this one video. Shouldn't we kill everybody who's like this?

Stormfront without the charm of being illicit. They're gonna lose. I really believe these weird idiots are going to lose. I am just so fucking sorry that all these trans and queer

people have to live through the period before it these idiots hit the bottom of the cliff they absolutely will not win this culture war figuratively and there absolutely is a lot of pain and fear for our trans community between now and then. And I fucking hate it. Like there's lots of jokes. But it's a sickening situation. And I don't know. I would encourage everybody to be pretty.

Whether you are a part of the LGBTQ plus community. Or are an ally. To be very vocal in your support and uh for this pride month for all the time but this is this is not fall for their shit yeah we were gonna talk about the debt limit deal but we don't have time perhaps next week so many thoughts about how money is real. Yeah. Unbelievable. But Taylor, you are a great guest. Please come back soon.

Oh, thank you. I love to hang out and visit with you all. It's a pleasure to be here. Thank you. Why don't you plug your stuff again? I ought to. This time. If you're into awesome podcasts that sound fantastic and represent some very fun adventures, I cannot recommend to you enough Fun City

and Worlds Beyond Number. And you can follow me on all those socials at taylor.biz Okay. Perfect plug. Done like somebody who does podcasts and keeps it to the point, gives the relevant

information. I don't know. And something else but sort of like snips it up, you know, tightens keeps it to the point gives the relevant information i don't know and and something else but like sort of like like snips it up you know tightens it up it doesn't ramble like it's to the point says the thing um and furthermore katie please cut me off well listen i've got it scrawled in the wall and shit right above my computer brevity is the soul of and the last word has slid down to the bottom so i don't know what that said but it's probably something good something real good such a good callback such a good way to bring this whole full circle ah what a treat this has been hey all you folks

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