Some More News - REVISITING SOME NEWS: Uncomplicating The "Complicated" Palestine/Israel Conflict

Episode Date: October 25, 2023

Today, we're re-releasing our Some More News episode from May 31, 2021, on Palestine and Israel, featuring new commentary from Cody, Katy, and the episode's writer, Katie Goldin. On Friday, we'll be re-releasing the audio of our episode from June 11, 2019, titled "How to Maybe Criticize Israel?" "Some More News" and "Even More News" will be back with new episodes next week! https://www.pcrf.nethttp://Anera.org Check out our MERCH STORE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/somemorenews  SUBSCRIBE to SOME MORE NEWS: https://tinyurl.com/ybfx89rh   Subscribe to the Even More News and SMN audio podcasts here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/some-more-news/id1364825229   Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6ebqegozpFt9hY2WJ7TDiA   Follow us on social media: Twitter: https://twitter.com/SomeMoreNews   Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/SomeMoreNews/   Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SomeMoreNews/   TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somemorenews  

Oh, dang. Hello, everyone. Hi. Hello. Hey. Hey. Hi. Hello. Hey. Listen. Okay. Hey. Settle down. Hi. Okay. So, the news. Some more of it? Yes, absolutely. But also, more specifically, the ongoing humanitarian crisis, Ham this audio, will most likely continue to unfold like some kind of devastating flower where every petal gradually spells out the phrase, We're getting a divorce! And it hopefully goes without saying that these events are deeply heartbreaking, frustrating, horrifying, confusing, enraging, and demoralizing simply from the stance of somebody watching it all happen so very far away. Simply from the stance of somebody watching it all happen so very far away. It's overwhelming to imagine what the people actually living through the conflict are going through. And our hearts go out to the millions at the mercy of those in power. And of course, the biggest victim, Amy Schumer.

Cool jokes. Lots of fun. Okay, so here's the dilly. What you're about to hear is the audio from our May 31st, 2021 episode titled Uncomplicating the Complicated Palestine-Israel Conflict, written by Katie Golden. Katie actually has a message she wants to convey about the current conflict happening that we will now read verbatim, performed by me, Katie Stoll. Quote, The Israeli government is asking us to accept that the response to an atrocity should be to commit tenfold atrocities. That collective punishment of Palestinians, including children, is an acceptable way to respond to the actions of Hamas. That ethnic cleansing and genocide are an act of self-defense.

And criticism of these actions by the Israeli government is often labeled as anti-Semitism. My Jewish ancestors were violently forced out of their homes. Very good words from Katie as Katie. So we have opted to re-release this older episode that she wrote for several reasons that we will now list for you. Like a list, you see. that she wrote for several reasons that we will now list for you. Like a list, you see. But in no particular order, disregard any implied order from this following list, which will now begin with number one or three. There's no order. Number the first. I can't say first. Item this one. Unspecified first number. Everything we say in the following episode is still very relevant, if not more relevant, since the current events in Israel and Palestine. The information and perspective still

reflects our views of the conflict there, and much of what we talk about would be the same things we would want to say now. There's no point in repeating ourselves, so we may as well re-release what we have already said. But also, and more importantly, and unspecified next number, here's some news. The internet kind of sucks right now. It always kind of has in ways, but it really does now. Because when an event like this happens, it's customary for everyone to jump on every claim and rumor and report on it like it's a fact. The practice seems to be report everything now, retract later.

And when it comes to human lives, that's a breathtakingly irresponsible tactic. Here at Some More News, our goal isn't to be the first to a story. We make carefully researched video essays, sometimes with puppets. But of course, one of the disadvantages of that is that we often get to things later than others. Also, you have to feed the puppets, and their appetites are not bound by human morality. So yeah, we will, in the future, make a video covering these current events, much like we eventually made an episode about the Uvalde tragedy. It's okay to take time and get things right, but we also can't ignore them right now. Hence the re-release of these older and still

relevant episodes. And so that brings us to our final, but not ordered, unspecified next number. Um, hey, do you know how long it takes us to make these fucking episodes? What are we gonna do, whip one up real quick every time a complex event happens in the news? I mean, maybe in the future perhaps, but not right now, we're tired. Because we do not take care of ourselves. I, for one, don't believe in the concept of water and exclusively use soda instead. don't believe in the concept of water and exclusively use soda instead. Even when making pasta and taking baths, it's very sticky. And yes, I realize it's weird that I know how unhealthy that is while still doing it.

It's a paradox. Also, expensive. And sticky. Okay, well, that's the intro. Hopefully the next intro will end better. Please enjoy the following episode titled Uncomplicating the Complicated Palestine-Israel Conflict. Begin episode now. Cody hungry! Cody hungry for news! Hello everybody.

So, Palestine and Israel. We're not going to talk about it. Because, we're told, it's too complicated to understand or discuss or do anything about. But, counterpoint, we will talk about it. Because, is it too complicated to understand? Could only the Titanic-sized intellect of Jared-read-25-books Kushner understand the intricacies of the conflict? Well, first, let's go over the current situation.

While media coverage of Israel-Palestine has improved, if you read certain headlines, you may be under the impression that Hamas just suddenly decided to fire rockets at Israel, sparking a bloody conflict. So first, we'll talk about just what happened in the past few weeks, and then we'll go over some more history.

As you may have already seen through social media, on May 7th and again on May 10th, Israeli police stormed the Al-Aqsa Mosque, the third holiest religious site in Islam during Ramadan. Police fired stun grenades and rubber bullets inside the mosque at worshipers, injuring over 300 Palestinians. The police presence was in response to protests

against the looming forced evictions of eight Palestinian families in Sheikh Jarrah, East Jerusalem by Israeli authorities. East Jerusalem is a Palestinian territory that has been illegally occupied by Israel since 1967. Why are Palestinians facing forced evictions? Well, in a word, ethnic cleansing. I'm sorry.

That was two words. For more info on the definite ethnic cleansing, see our other happy, fun fun upbeat video on Palestine. Or like, I don't know, read what Israeli officials have to say, or look at some fucking maps. But anyway, as it turns out, the rocket attacks by Hamas did not come out of nowhere,

and in fact, were pretty predictable, given that Hamas's military leader, Mohammad Daif, made a statement on May 5th, that Qassam Brigades will not stand idly by in the face of attacks on the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood. They will pay a heavy price if the aggression against our people in the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood does not stop immediately.

This was on May 5th, in response to police violence against protesters. The Israeli police's escalation to storming the Al-Aqsa Mosque happened days later, on May 7th and May 10th. So the rocket attacks aren't exactly random violence if Hamas is giving a direct threat and explanation of the violence. But Cody, says PatrioticAnimeTittyLover69,

are you siding with Hamas? Do you stand terrorism? Well, thank you PatrioticAnimeTittyLover69 for your service. Obviously Hamas sucks, but pointing out that Hamas's actions are not random acts of violence isn't the same as siding with them, nor is solidarity with Palestinians,

as Ted Cruz and Ben Shapiro and other liars might want you to believe. To be clear, hurting civilians is never justified, even when it's in retaliation, and especially when it's an escalation of violence. When Hamas fires at Israel, injuring or killing random civilians, not only is it a travesty for Israeli civilians

who are harmed, it also undermines public sympathy for innocent Palestinians. Hamas's actions give the Israeli military quote unquote justification to bomb and kill tenfold Gazans and continue to ethnically cleanse Palestinians, I'm sorry, wait, what I meant to say is Hamas's actions gave Israel justification to do surgical airstrikes against Hamas

that ends up killing sickening numbers of children, top doctors, destroying their one coronavirus testing site, flattening residencies and demolishing buildings, housing media organizations, including the Associated Press, and hitting refugee camps. You know, surgical war crimes. Every time the Israeli military kills a child, a doctor, destroys media outlets, or levels a residential block,

they use Hamas as a justification in the name of self-defense. Weirdly, this right to defend itself is never extended to Palestine. But whatever, the IDF can bomb anything at once if Hamas even farts within 500 miles of the target. The Israeli government claimed, Hamas was hiding in the AP media building

and we showed the US evidence, despite the Secretary of State, Anthony Blinken, saying the US hasn't seen any of this evidence. Yikes, guys, awkward. Maybe work on your story together before you go to the press. But we blew up the press. Apparently, Hamas is hiding behind

every child killed in Gaza. To put it in terms that we in the US can understand, Hamas is a bit like cocaine. Did police do an unwarranted arrest and a bit of brutality? Oh, well, what do you know? Turns out we put, I mean found, cocaine in their wallet. Oops, did we do a few war crimes? Well, we found Hamas in their wallets, we swear.

In the IDF's words, they just had to bomb that refugee camp because an apartment nearby was used as terror infrastructure in the area of the Al-Shati refugee camp. Was it really? Who knows now, because it's all been blown to smithereens. Also, apparently the alleged targets were some computers, which were removed before the strike, so whoops. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu,

indicted with criminal charges of corruption and bribery, argues that Hamas hides behind civilians. The human shields argument is interesting in that even if it were true, the answer always seems to be, so we murdered the shit out of the human shield. It's like in Die Hard, when Hans Gruber holds Holly Gennaro hostage

and goes, to get to me, you'll have to shoot the hostage or whatever. And then John McClane goes, okay, and shoots both of them. And then the movie or whatever. And then John McClane goes, okay, and shoots both of them. And then the movie ends, victorious. And this part of the episode is honestly the most levity we're going to get with this topic. So like, we have to do an ad and we're going to.

So here's the transition to that. Okay? Okay. Sorry. Wow, what a smooth transition to and from an advertisement while talking about war crimes and stuff. Good God. Okay, anyway, back to Hamas and the IDF. It's unfair to compare Hamas to the IDF,

says PatrioticAnimeTittyLover69, the horniest straw man I've ever made up for the sake of an argument. Hamas to the IDF, says PatrioticAnimeTittyLover69, the horniest straw man I've ever made up for the sake of an argument. Hamas is evil, while the IDF is the most moral army in the world, according to a tweet from Netanyahu sharing a PragerU video. They have vegan boots, for God's sake.

Sure, both Hamas and the IDF bomb civilians, but the IDF does it veganly. It is actually unfair to compare the IDF to Hamas because the IDF has one of the most well-equipped, heavily US-funded armies in the Middle East, whereas Hamas does not. Israel ranks 14th globally in terms of military funding, with over $21 billion in spending,

or almost 6% of its GDP. $3.8 billion came from the US in military aid to Israel in 2020, an annual commitment. And the US sells hundreds of millions of dollars worth of advanced military equipment to Israel every year. Israel has compulsory military service of 30 months for men and 24 months for women, sexist. The draft starting 18 years and older.

They had over 170,000 active duty military personnel as of 2018, and they have a secret nuclear arsenal. That's not a joke. They literally have an estimated 80 secret nuclear warheads. Meanwhile, Hamas's militant numbers are estimated to be tens of thousands. Their main weapons are unguided rockets

as opposed to Israel's precision missiles. Israel and Egypt have deployed a military land, air and sea blockade around Gaza since 2007. And while the blockade's good at preventing things like clean water, medicine, humanitarian aid from entering the country, it's been unable to prevent rocket materials from being smuggled into Gaza. Rockets can even be made out of plumbing pipes,

repurposed dud Israeli bombs, burning sugar and fertilizer. Through a patchwork of domestic production and smuggling, Hamas had an estimated supply of 7,000 rockets before the current conflict. While it's not nothing, it's next to nothing compared to Israel's $21 billion price tag military. And Israel's highly advanced US designed and supported Iron Dome intercepts 90% of Hamas's rockets.

What this means is a vast difference in the numbers of casualties. It's always weird to compare the numbers of lives lost, because obviously to the families of those killed, total body count isn't comforting. But it needs to be mentioned when one side of a conflict bears the brunt of the most casualties, especially when it comes to civilians. In this most recent skirmish or clash or dust up or whatever you wanna call it, attacks by Hamas killed 12 people

of the 9 million people in Israel, including two children. The IDF killed at least 227 of the 2 million people in Gaza, including 64 children. Gaza is completely surrounded by superior firepower, which is important to keep in mind when Israel's military and police force, as well as illegal settler colonies in the West Bank, continually instigate acts of violence

or land grabs in Palestine. Israel knows they can steal land from Palestine, and even if Hamas retaliates, the IDF can utterly devastate Gaza in a hail of missiles. This military dominance is probably why Israeli authorities and settlers are so bold in trying to force Palestinians out of their family homes they've had for over 70 years.

The Israeli government might try to argue that kicking grandmothers out of their childhood home is justified because before the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, those homes had belonged to Jewish residents. But strangely enough, this justification isn't used by Israel to allow Arab families to return to their homes they lost after the 1948 Palestinian exodus, or Nakba,

when about half of Palestinian Arabs were expelled. NPR's Daniel Estrin explains the situation of a Palestinian man facing eviction from his family's home. One half of his home was claimed by a settler group years ago. Now he's facing eviction from the other half. And here's the thing. Israeli law allows Jews to reclaim these grounds lost in the 1948 war. It does not allow Palestinians to reclaim property they lost in that war. As the man facing eviction puts it, this is a racist, racist, racist law. Indeed, Israel has a lot of racist laws.

Apartheids generally do. The motivations for the illegal Israeli settlements and evictions of Palestinian families in East Jerusalem are made abundantly clear by the people in favor of illegal settlements. But it's really rightfully ours. If you look at the history and at the wars, and we didn't even start a lot of the wars. We conquered these places rightfully, like it's ours. I don't think there's any answer to it. There's only one way, like I would carpet bomb them.

You would carpet bomb them? It's the only way you could deal with it. We take house after house. All this area will be a Jewish neighborhood. We are not finished the job. We are going to the next neighborhood and after that we will go more. Our dream that all East Jerusalem will be like West Jerusalem, Jewish capital of Israel. You are stealing my house.

And if I don't steal it, someone else is going to steal it. No, no one is allowed to steal it, you ammi. No, I'm from New York, from Long Island. From New York. What right do you have to live here? The right I have is that the owner of the house wants me to live here, and he wants there to be Jews living in his house, and he wants to- and I got chosen for the reason it ended up being me. So why do you live here?

Because I live here, because it's important, and because not too many people want to live here, and it's important to strengthen this neighborhood, to make sure that this neighborhood is not lost in any future peace deal. So your position here is a political position to keep Palestinians out of it? Not to keep Palestinians out of it, to keep Jews in it. Yup, that's a guy from Long Island stealing a Palestinian's house, just shrugging his shoulders and going,

well, it's not ethnic cleansing. We're just, you know, kicking everyone out of a certain ethnicity. Now to be clear, this is not fully representative of everyone in Israel. I mean, obviously this guy's from Long Island. And while many Israelis support illegal settlements and annexation, this is obviously not true

of everyone in Israel. But SELIM, the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories, is an activist organization shining a light on the abuses of the occupation. Breaking the Silence is a group of former IDF soldiers who served in the Israeli military since the start of the Second Intifada

and have taken it upon themselves to expose the Israeli public to the reality of everyday life in the occupied territories, and the cases of abuse toward Palestinians, looting and destruction of property that they have been witnesses to. It's also important to note that Israel

is very much not necessarily representative of Jewish people worldwide. American Jews, particularly those who are young and more secular, often question Israel's colonization of Palestinian territory. In 2019, 25% of American Jews, particularly those who are young and more secular, often question Israel's colonization of Palestinian territory. In 2019, 25% of American Jews were in favor of completely dismantling all the illegal Israeli settlements.

Oh, and by the way, I keep calling them illegal settlements because the international community has agreed that they're fucking illegal. In contrast, only 6% of Israelis were in favor of such a move. A majority of American Jews think Netanyahu's not doing a good job, and only one in three think Israel is making a sincere effort towards achieving peace

with Palestinians. There are Jewish groups in America dedicated to fighting for the rights of Palestine, like the activist group Jewish Voice for Peace. We are here gathering to remind ourselves, remind our community, and let the world know that uprooting people and displacing communities is not a Jewish value, it's not a human value.

These kinds of acts is immoral and unethical. The reason that there are plenty of Jewish groups who support Palestinian human rights is that you can't equate Judaism to Israel's policies. It's not antisemitic to criticize Israel or Israeli policies because Jews in general and a specific country's government are not the same. Much like if you show support for Palestinians,

you're not in bed with Hamas terrorists or whatever lying little worm Ted Cruz might say. On the other hand, it is actually antisemitic to say that all Jews should or do support Israel's actions. Alan Dershowitz calling Bernie Sanders a self-hating Jew for criticizing Israel is just as anti-Semitic as holding all Jewish people responsible for the Israeli government's actions. It's being reported by the ADL that there has been a rise in anti-Semitism following

the recent violence in Gaza. On their list of examples, there are some horrific things. They also listed as examples of antisemitism, people holding protest signs critical of Zionism. These are not the same. And it's also interesting that pro-Palestine protests are all described as anti-Israel protests, but to be clear, support for Palestine

or criticism of Israel doesn't equate to antisemitism and shouldn't be used as motivation for, and actually nothing should be used as motivation for antisemitism because antisemitism is dumb as fuck. Also the claim that it is antisemitic to criticize Israel or support Palestine is not true and shouldn't be used as an excuse to ignore the key issue. Now, this is not to say that religion never plays a role

in support for Israeli colonial policy. Support for Israel is weirdly high among evangelicals who, you know, think it's important for the end times prophecy where everyone but them, including Jews, will be sent to hell. Very cool and very normal religious fundamentalists to have 35% of here in the US. In fact, Israel's

colonization is so popular among US evangelicals as compared to US Jews, former Israeli ambassador to the US Ron Dermer said, People have to understand the backbone of Israel's support in the United States is the evangelical Christians. That's the backbone. And it's true because of numbers and also because of their passionate and unequivocal support for Israel. Look at numbers. I mean sure, evangelicals are only supporting Israel because they think it's prophesized

to set in motion the end time during which unrepentant Jews will go to hell, but hey, gotta make friends where you can find them. Speaking of religion, another argument for the relentless abuse and killing of people in Gaza is that Hamas are religious fundamentalists and anti-gay. You know, like what we have in America, but bad because they're not Christian. Also, while Israel does recognize gay marriages performed in other countries,

you can't actually get gay married while there. But anyway, yes, of course, of course, sure, religious fundamentalists suck and have a bad track record on human rights. I'm not sure that means you should do collective punishment, a war crime, or skirmish crime if you prefer, by stealing people's homes and bombing people. Because if that's the case, we're,

we're in a bit of trouble here in America. But yeah, it's too bad that Gaza is dominated by Hamas and doesn't have a less theocratic government like they had back before the 1970s, when the Israeli government helped fund the rise by Hamas and doesn't have a less theocratic government like they had back before the 1970s, when the Israeli government helped fund the rise of Hamas. Uh-oh! Kind of like the oopsie the CIA did when they helped create Osama bin Laden

by funding Mujahideen groups to fight against the Soviets during the Cold War. Sad trombone noise. Sad trombone noise. No, like do the sound. The sound. Nevermind. As reported by The Intercept, for-

Former Israeli military official, General Yitzhak Segev admitted as such. Segev was the acting governor of Gaza in the 1980s during Israel's takeover, and told a New York Times reporter that he had provided funds to Islamists as a counterweight to secular leftists of the Palestinian Liberation Organization and Fatah party.

In addition to funding religious fundamentalists in Gaza, the Israeli military also selectively targeted the secular PLO and Fatah party while allowing Hamas to grow. According to a Wall Street Journal article published in 2009, in Gaza, Israel hunted down members of Fatah and other secular PLO factions, but it dropped harsh restrictions

imposed on Islamic activists by the territory's previous Egyptian rulers. Israeli historian Avner Cohen said, "'Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation, "'and was an enormous stupid mistake, "'or as we like to say on this show, an oopsie-goofer of colossal proportions. Now while some historians view Israel's early fostering

of religious extremists in Gaza as a bit of a mistake, bombing the shit out of Gaza in the name of Gittin Hamas sure is benefiting one guy, that's right, Prime Minister of Israel and indicted of bribery and corruption man himself, Benjamin Netanyahu. You see, Netanyahu was on the cusp of losing power as his political opponents were nearing the completion of a coalition agreement between the Palestinian

Israeli minority in parliament and right wing defectors who no longer supported Netanyahu. But as opposition leader Yair Lapid stated, "'The fire always breaks out just when it's most convenient for the prime minister. The attacks on the mosque and subsequent retaliation by Hamas leading to the bombing of Gaza caused the opposition coalition to fall apart

due to tensions among its members. While Netanyahu himself didn't send out a memo saying, please escalate tensions in Gaza. According to the LA Times, around the time the coalition forming mandate was passed to Lapid, simmering tensions in Jerusalem boiled over, exacerbated by what turned out to be fateful moves

by allies of the prime minister. Those included Israeli authorities blocking a central gathering point for Palestinians just outside the old city during the opening days of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. Police raids on the Aqsa Mosque compound on a plateau sacred to both Jews and Muslims and the prospective eviction of several Palestinian families

in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah. A leader of a country and his allies wanting to use war and bloodshed for political gain? Shocking, unheard of. I will not look to my right, your left. Well, at least there's a ceasefire. Even though the first ceasefire Hamas proposed was rejected by Israel and the US blocked

the UN resolution calling for a ceasefire because it was mildly critical of all the murders the Israeli military was doing. But after bombing a few more doctors and the associated press building, Israel finally agreed to the ceasefire. And immediately after that, Israeli police and settlers stormed the Al-Aqsa area, arresting Palestinian worshipers.

And in Sheikh Jarrah, Israeli authorities are still bent on evicting Palestinian residents. Oh, and Israelis are doing mass arrests of Palestinian citizens of Israel for protesting the bombings of Gaza with sit-ins. You know, the oppressive ethnic cleansing stuff we talked about in the beginning of the episode. Except now it's the end of the episode,

because time is a nightmare and nothing is ever learned. End of episode? But maybe some things are learned, because support for Palestinians is growing in the US, with a definite shift in the discourse, including progressive lawmakers being increasingly straightforward about apartheid in Israel-Palestine.

And there have been pro-Palestinian protests cropping up in major cities all over the US and the world. In fact, maybe it's because people finally recognize the extreme badness of all the war crimes against Gazans that Israel finally agreed to a ceasefire. This conflict skirmish war crime-a-rama only lasted for 11 days. Whereas the 2014 Gaza war lasted for seven weeks

and killed over 2,000 Gazans, 67 Israeli soldiers and five Israeli citizens. War crimes are still bad, but fewer war crimes is definitely better. They're still silencing journalists who recognize that Palestinians deserve human rights, such as the firing of former AP journalist Emily Wilder after being cancel cultured by conservatives.

But people seem to actually be pissed off by it, and other AP journalists are rallying behind Wilder. It's weird, it's like AP journalists maybe think it's not good to silence a pro-Palestinian rights reporter after their offices were obliterated by Israel in the name of killing Palestinians. So things are still bad, but people are starting to see how bad things are.

And seeing that something is bad is the first step in making it less bad and possibly at some point in the future, maybe good. And that is $20 for old Cody. See, Katie bet me that I couldn't end this episode on a positive note, but ha ha ha, I did. And now old Cody's gonna buy himself 20 of some joke thing that costs a dollar or probably just donate it

to one of the charities in the description. Honestly, please just roll the credits. Do the trombone again. Do the trombone again! Thank you. And we've got a patreon.com slash some more news. We've got a podcast called Even More News. We've got merch if you like it. We've got other videos. We've got pizzazz. All right, bye.

Wow, that sure was an episode of Some More News. Big thanks to Katie Golden for writing it. Writing is hard. You have to buy a keyboard and do, I don't know, some other stuff too, I guess. Maybe, probably. It's also specifically hard to write an episode about Israel and Palestine. For starters, it's hard to spell Israel without screwing it up the first attempt.

The A-E situation is unintuitive. Palestine is at least a little easier, but also it feels like there should be an I where the first E is. Ah, it's a, it is a problem. where the first E is, it is a problem. And just as important, people tend to freak the hell out at you when you talk about this conflict in a way that criticizes Israel, which happens to have strong ties with the United States. Often the same people who complain about cancel culture and harp about the marketplace of ideas

will completely stonewall any criticism or nuance. And both liberals and conservatives often unite in making completely reductive accusations about anybody who speaks up against atrocities aimed at Gaza, as if doing so automatically supports the terrible actions from Hamas. And that's weird, right? At least in a vacuum. But of course, while the situation in Palestine isn't complicated, the conversation around it is. It's emotional and steeped with history, and there are a lot of people from various sides stoking the conflict in bad faith. It's hard to even use the

word sides because that implies the binary perspective that many people want to enforce. And this actually brings us to our next episode, which will come out in a couple days on even more Newsday. Assuming time still works. Fingers crossed. Because before the episode you just listened to, we actually put out one titled, How to Maybe Criticize Israel, that was specifically about having this conversation. So be sure to check that out if you're zany for more Israel and Palestine news.

You zany little weirdo. I'm so zany for more Israel and Palestine news. You zany little weirdo. I'm so zany. Your bow tie and your big red shoes. How's your bow tie spinning like that? Really freaking me out, man. Ah. Okay, that's the podcast. The podcast. Sorry, I got

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