Some More News - SMN: Elon Musk's "Hitler Problem"

Episode Date: April 4, 2024

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And then the sentence ended. Hi, here's some news. Elon Musk is a Nazi sympathizer. You can't get mad. I'm not saying you're a Nazi, Elon. Calm down, Elon. Calm down, man. All right, it's time to see

if he's Xing about this already. This site is so racist now. So apparently a ship collision caused the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore to completely collapse, a horrible tragedy. And a bunch of Republicans and ex-accounts in Elon's weird little circle are of course assuming it happened

because DEI made them hire black people and foreigners, I guess. Okay, well, so Elon Musk is not a Nazi, but I do think it might be fair and balanced and legal to call him a Nazi sympathizer. I don't wanna get far into his motivations at this point either. Is he doing it because he just wants Trump to win

so he can get lower taxes and less regulation and less power from unions, et cetera? Is he doing it because everybody else kinda thinks he sucks right now? Is it a divorced guy thing? and less power from unions, et cetera. Is he doing it because everybody else kind of thinks he sucks right now? Is it a divorced guy thing? Has he become much more isolated and weird due to his almost unfathomable wealth

and is also kind of racist? Does he really believe any of this stuff? That actually doesn't matter right now, because first we need to figure out what we're even saying here. It is a bold, specific, incendiary claim after all. matter right now because first we need to figure out what we're even saying here. It is a bold, specific, incendiary claim after all. So let's put it in lights.

["The Last Supper"] Nazi sympathizer Elon Musk's Hitler problem. I love that when movies weren't woke. So yeah, we're doing another Musker. It's been Elon enough time. He just refuses to stop posting. So here we are. And we're gonna talk about all the terrible things he's been saying and Xing and even tweeting. But first, we're gonna take a minute or six or 10

to ask him a question. And he's gonna answer it. And he's gonna answer it. And he's gonna answer it. And he's gonna answer it. And he's gonna talk about all the terrible things he's been saying and X-ing and even tweeting. But first, we're gonna take a minute or six or 10 to ask the question, what is a Nazi sympathizer? What did the Nazis believe? Are they right-wing or are they left-wing? That was multiple questions actually.

What does anything mean? Some people might think, were the Nazis left-wing or right-wing is a stupid question for morons. Or if you feel insulted by that, but are still watching, a good and smart question for, please hear me out, like and subscribe.

And don't even listen to me. Let's listen with our eyes at Elon Musk's answer to this question. You like him, right? According to Elon, the Nazis were extremely far right regarding nationalism, av, but very far left regarding socialism,

to which a bunch of wormy little guys responded, National Socialism, because it's in the name, you see. But maybe we need a little more information than just the name of it. So let's consult vice admiral wormy little guy and most correct person in the world according to that person, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson. Well, I also think it's an open question still to what degree Hitler's policies

were right-wing versus left-wing and no one's done the analysis properly yet to determine that. Well, see, that's not true. That's a weird thing for a guy to say. Historians and political scientists and social scientists and just people properly yet to determine that. Well, see, that's not true. That's a weird thing for a guy to say. Historians and political scientists and social scientists and just people who have studied this topic for years,

have studied this topic for years. Many have studied it for decades and in just a few decades, we will have collectively studied and analyzed it for a century, but Peterson's on the case. Extract out a random sample of Nazi policies and strip them of markers of their origin and present them to a set of people with conservative or leftist beliefs and see who agreed with them more. And that analysis has never been done as far as I know.

So we actually don't know and we could know. Yes. The two political categories, conservatives and leftists. Be more precise in your speech, Jordan. You were a political science major, for crying out loud. So obviously this idea is weird and silly. Stripping Nazi policies of Nazism and then seeing what random partisans think of them doesn't tell you if that policy is right or left wing.

Because right and left are already definable terms able to be used for analyzing policy. So it would just tell you if right leaning people are more left than they think or vice versa. But actually don't worry because JP's got an even better idea. We could probably use the AI systems we have now, the large language models to determine to what degree

left and right beliefs intermingled in the rise of national socialism. So that's all technically possible. Interesting choice of imprecise words again. His original claim was that we don't know, quote, to what degree Hitler's policies were right-wing versus left-wing, which we actually do know. And that's not the same as to what degree

left and right beliefs intermingled in the rise of national socialism, which we also know. As we will see, Hitler's policies and the beliefs that intermingled during the rise of national socialism are distinct from each other. He simply doesn't really know what he's talking about, which is fine, I guess,

or he's muddying the waters for some reason. See, the people who say, well, the Nazis were socialist actually, are few and unserious. They're Elon Musk, apparently, former husband, Steven Crowder, this one article from right-wing libertarian anarcho-capitalist think tank, the Mises Institute,

from more than 20 years ago, and then a few from them again, like the last several years, and a book from an editor for conservative magazine National Review. And that last guy actually has regrets about his book and admits he was wrong specifically about thinking that the American right was immune to falling into fascism because Donald Trump was elected.

Bad, good job, I guess. Now this might seem like a difficult question. As historian Robert Paxton writes in the Anatomy of Fascism, the ultimate fascist response to the right-left political map was to claim that they had made it obsolete by being neither right nor left, transcending such outdated divisions and uniting the nation.

And maybe Elon is extra confused because he also conveniently describes himself as neither conventionally right nor left. But I don't think we need Grok to look up what other AI would say about fascism and then say the opposite. Ah, the Nazis weren't woke actually. Though I guess we can, I can't believe we're gonna do this, but maybe Wikipedia can help us out here.

Left-wing politics describes the range of political ideologies that support and seek to achieve social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy as a whole or certain social hierarchies. Wow, interesting, so interesting. I'm so glad we have to hierarchies. Wow, interesting, so interesting. I'm so glad we have to do this. Great, thank you so much.

Let's go to a different Wikipedia page. I hope you're listening, Elon. Right-wing politics is the range of political ideologies that view certain social orders and hierarchies as inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable, typically supporting this position based on natural law, economics, authority, property, religion or tradition. Hierarchy and inequality may be seen as natural results

of traditional social differences or competition in market economies. It's quite simple. So now maybe we can turn to smart guys like Elon Musk and Jordan Peterson to, I assume, give literally a single example of what could be interpreted as left-wing policy. After all, the claim he's making

that we don't actually know if the Nazis were right-wing or left-wing, well, that's a claim that challenges most people and books. So the onus is actually on him to provide, again, literally a single example of a policy up for debate people and books. So the onus is actually on him to provide, again, literally a single example of a policy up for debate so that we may explore this hypothesis. Let's see if he does.

Because it was a national socialist movement for a reason. And the socialist part of it wasn't accidental. Well, but the, I mean, there was no, you know, cooperatively formed businesses that were owned by all of the people for the people and distributed to the people. And I don't think redistribution was high on Hitler's list of things to do for-

That's true, that's true. It was a strange mix of totalitarian pobs. I don't think it was a strange mix. I think it was a bid to appeal to mid-left and center-left, the KPD and the German Socialist Party by calling themselves National Socialists. Okay, so he doesn't do that,

but he does listen to a few really solid counter examples from the gamer he's talking to and immediately agree with that gamer about those two really solid counter examples that don't seem to jive with Peterson's terrible argument. In fact, those two examples are like the top ones. Where else do you go for left-wing policy? If you were to have to describe socialism

to a totally not mad cutie pie like Jordan Peterson, you would probably talk about workers' rights and collective ownership of the means of production, unionization, maybe welfare programs for the poor and disadvantaged or wealth redistribution. Those are the big ones. And Peterson seems to agree actually on account of the Nazis didn't do those things.

And as we will get into, they did the opposite. They literally privatized industries because it enriches and entrenches business and political elites without benefiting consumers or taxpayers. So what else is there? Well, the Weimar Republic already had pretty strict gun laws and the Nazis actually loosened those laws

when they came to power for non-Jews. Abortion laws were becoming less severe leading up to the Nazi's rise. And when they took power, they heavily punished it for Aryans and encouraged it for undesirables. As far as healthcare goes, unified Germany and eventually Weimar

already had a form of social health system since 1883. The Nazis made the system more exclusionary. Obviously, they were Nazis. And surely Peterson doesn't think left-wing healthcare involves racial hygiene or establishing a hierarchy of those worthy of life and procreation and sterilizing those unworthy of life. Surely he knows that to the Nazis, welfare for the disadvantaged meant killing them.

Does he mean the autobahn? Is he like, well, the Nazis were bad because of public works projects that, oh, I guess actually that was already also in the works before the Nazis took over too. Jordan Peterson, please leave a comment articulating a single example. It is wild that you couldn't think of A1 considering you apparently already have a specific study planned out about this exact thing,

a plan that needs AI to help out apparently. But anyway, right now, Jordan Peterson and Elon Tew who I promise we're mostly talking about in this episode. In fact, Jordan, come here. Get out of here. Because right now, political media mogul and tech billionaire Elon Musk is just saying, well, the word, it says socialism, so.

Okay, one of those Myzees articles spends a lot of time Well, the word, it says socialism, so. Okay. One of those Meise's articles spends a lot of time dissecting Hitler's 25-point Nazi program, trying to argue that the points prove that the Nazis were socialist. But as William L. Schierer writes of the 25 points in the rise and fall of the Third Reich, they are certainly a hodgepodge,

a catch-all for the workers, the lower middle class and the peasants, and most of them were forgotten by the time the party came to power. A good many paragraphs of the party program were obviously merely a demagogic appeal to the mood of the lower classes at a time when they were in bad straights

and were sympathetic to radical and even socialist slogans. They were the ideas which Hitler was to find embarrassing when the big industrialists and landlords began to pour money into the party coffers. And of course, nothing was ever done about them. Right, when you think of helping the underclass and peasants, you don't think Nazis, do you? Do you?

Well, I can't believe I'm saying this, but let's just ask Hitler. Hitler, you stay there. That's right. Okay, so indeed somebody literally asked this question of Hitler in 1923. I'm sorry, I should specify, Adolf Hitler? I'm talking about Adolf Hitler the whole time.

Okay, so the interviewer starts by asking Hitler, why do you call yourself a national socialist since your party program is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism? Off to a good start. Hitler responded, socialism is the science of dealing with the common wheel. Communism is not socialism.

Marxism is not socialism. Marxism is not socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take socialism away from the socialists. Socialism is an ancient Aryan Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common wheel. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism,

does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. We might have called ourselves the liberal party. We chose to call ourselves the national socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. Now that's a bit of a mouthful,

but so was the gun Hitler shot into his head. So, all right, this quote makes pretty clear that Hitler's claim that the Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning is not an accusation, but a confession. He literally explains that he's using the term and confused its meaning is not an accusation, but a confession. He literally explains that he's using the term to mean something racial and exclusionary. It was a lie, a trick, a swindle, a hoodwink.

He was a Nazi. Speaking of, hey, Elon, I'm sorry I'm calling you a Nazi sympathizer. You probably don't like it. And it's true when people say fascist or Nazi these days, it could mean anything from nothing to they made an edgy joke to they're doing some race science

to they're saying Jewish people push diversity that's destroying the West, all kinds of fun things. But when I say you're a Nazi sympathizer, Elon Musk, I don't mean literally neo-Nazis who love Hitler, although there are a lot of those on your cool website, so who knows? But I'm talking more about the capital F, fascism. That's all the rage across the globe,

our American iteration of that. Fascism isn't one specific static doctrine in that it's opportunistic and hateful, and it coalesces around different aspects of its nation. Nazism is German fascism, but Italy has its fascism. Spain had its unique fascism, as did apartheid South Africa, which a certain viewer might be familiar with, but we'll come back to that.

And to be clear, I'm not saying that we're going to go through some neo-Hitlerian regime. Fascist movements fail all the time. They're losers. But clearly the sentiments, the ingredients are around. A charismatic male right-wing demagogue in the form of an ideologically inconsistent and unprincipled opportunist who plays on anxieties

and trends to implement a dictatorship against an advancing left amidst popular enthusiasm due to ineffective liberal governance and political gridlock leading to an uneasy alliance with conservative elites, ex liberals and opportunist technocrats, while a collection of syncretistic intellectuals spend their time complaining about liberal academia

and communists. And while the cult-like movement and leader create new speak, new imagery and traditions stemming from resentments and fears manifesting themselves in obsessions with hierarchical and palingenetic ultranationalism, hypermasculinity and heroism and weaponry, conspiracy theories, anti-globalism, anti-homosexuality

and transgenderism, anti-Marxism, anti-cultural Marxism, anti-intellectualism, anti-welfare, a war on the lying press because disagreement is treason, a fear of difference, of others and dirty criminal animal immigrants who are invading the nation and who must be expelled. They're an invasion. So why are we talking about this?

So when you say Hispanic invasion, is that not? I didn't say Hispanic invasion. Yes, Mr. Elon once again is being accused of supporting, you know, allegedly racist posts on his allegedly racist platform. Now we'll come back to that Hispanic invasion clip. But the general controversy of wacky Elon Musk's things he says seemed to reach one of its peaks

last November when Musk was on his app, the letter X, and saw somebody post, Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them. I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest shit now about Western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities they supported

flooding their country don't exactly like them too much. See, Jews are pushing white hate in favor of flooding the country with hordes of minorities that hate Jews. And Elon Musk responded to that tweet in the following manner. You have said the actual truth. And then the Hulk was like, so that happened. But what happened earlier,

the tweet Elon was responding to was responding to another tweet reading, to the cowards hiding behind the anonymity of the internet and posting Hitler was right, you got something you wanna say, why don't you say it to our faces? So a guy heard, "'Hey Nazis, what gives?'

His ears perked up and he answered the question and Elon was like, "'Hell yeah, dude. That is my shit.'" Unsurprisingly, lots of advertisers pulled from the site. Musk received criticism from wide swaths of people, including Anti-Defamation League President Jonathan Greenblatt. And if it hasn't been made clear,

the post we're talking about is deeply anti-Semitic and generally racist. And that's not just me, wokely woking about with my woke wokers. Elon himself agrees, as he said during the New York Times Deal Book Summit. Look, I'm sorry for that, that, that tweet or post. It was foolish of me.

Of the 30,000, it might be literally the worst and dumbest post that I've ever done. And I try my best to clarify six ways to Sunday. But, you know, at least I think over time it will be obvious that in fact, far from being antisemitic, I'm in fact philosemitic. Philosemitic! He can't get enough of the Jews.

But the important thing to note is that he is sorry. He's not defending the tweet. He said literally it's the worst and dumbest post he's ever made. And that's saying a lot. Long list of bad tweets, Elani. It's also insulting to all his fans whose memes he steals. And come on, Elon's tried his best

to clarify the post six ways from Sunday, except, ah, has he? After the initial backlash to his worst post ever, he posted, this past week, there were hundreds of bogus media stories claiming that I am anti-Semitic.

Nothing could be further from the truth. I wish only the best for humanity and a prosperous and exciting future for all." And then he explained why he posted it. He said what the actual truth about the Jewish community is that he thought he was agreeing with. But as the Hill notes, Musk in his post Sunday denied accusations what the actual truth about the Jewish community is that he thought he was agreeing with. But as the Hill notes,

Musk in his post-Sunday denied accusations of antisemitism, but he did not provide any further explanation for the post. An explanation never came. But to his credit, he apologized and went to Israel. And then a few months later, he went to Auschwitz and he's sorry is the point. Except. So you said you learned your lesson.

What did you learn? I said I learned my lesson. You said you learned your lesson when you apologized and you said you went to Auschwitz, you saw what- No, I was already aware of these things. And the nature of my comment that really inflamed people, what I was trying to say, and I did very quickly clarify, this is what I'm saying, is that a number of prominent

Jewish philanthropists fund groups that they should really take a closer look at funding, because some of the groups they fund, I think, are anti-Semitic. Wait, what? I thought it was foolish and you were sorry and it's the worst and dumbest post you've ever made. Why are you so mad that he's asking what you, the fool who apologized for their dumb mistake, learned from it?

But alright, no lesson learned. And the explanation is that you saw someone say that Jewish communities have been pushing white hate and supporting hordes of incoming minorities who are all anti-Semitic. And you thought responding, this is the actual truth communicated that some Jewish philanthropists fund groups

that are anti-Semitic. Well, I guess that was foolish, you're right. Bad job. Glad you're sorry, but really mad about it apparently. He's so obviously just means Soros too. It's so, what a guy. But Sawi is Sawi. Like us, we're Sawi because we have to get,

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Hey folks, welcome back. We were just talking about how Elon Musk is a bit of a Nazi bold typeface sympathizer. You can't get mad at Elon, all right? Hear me out. Okay, so we've heard a bit about what Elon and also literally Hitler say and have said, but obviously it's important to look at what he

and he does and has done. Instead of saying the words national socialism and then the words case closed, we can open a fucking book. We probably have to considering the intense claim we're making. That Elon Musk is a Nazi sympathizer or at the very least definitely would have been one.

Not a Nazi per se, although much like a Nazi, Elon, neither right nor left, Musk has actually said he's a socialist while crushing unions. This is why it's so absurd when some billionaire industrialist who grew up during apartheid says that the Nazis were socialist lefties actually. Aside from everything we've already talked about

and how there were no co-ops and there was no wealth redistribution for the lower classes, the Nazis also, to be clear, killed all the fucking socialists. It's not just that they weren't left-wing, they were aggressive and hostile towards workers and the left-wing of the party in the early days. And then they killed them.

It's how that poem starts. Because again, it's important to listen to what's said, but also, if not more so, to what they did. Where did they position themselves even? As in physically? During this period in Weimar, the Reichstag was seated by political positioning. There are the communists on the left

and over on the right is the conservative and monarchist German National People's Party, the major nationalist party before the rise of the Nazis, who have positioned themselves a little over to the side, up and in the back. That's 1928. Here's 1930. There are all the Nazis on the right.

And you know it, went from there. Point is, it's not just that they weren't for socialism. They were actively against it. As Schirer writes throughout, rise and fall of the Third Reich, the disenfranchised lower classes were demanding the ballot and the workers were insisting on the right to organize trade unions and to strike, not only for higher wages

and better working conditions, but to gain their democratic political ends. Indeed, a general strike had finally brought universal manhood suffrage, and with this, the end of political dominance by the Austrian Germans, who numbered but a third of the population of the Austrian half of the empire. To these developments, Hitler, the fanatical young German Austrian nationalist from Linz, was bitterly opposed. To him, the empire was sinking into foul morass.

And Anton Drexler, a locksmith by trade, who may be said to have been the actual founder of national socialism, had set up a committee of independent workmen to combat the Marxism of the free trade unions. And a number of big industrialists were beginning to become financially interested in Hitler's reborn movement precisely because it promised to be effective in combating the communists, the socialists, and the trade unions. And as the 20s neared their end,

money started to flow into the Nazi party from a few of the big Bavarian and Rhineland industrialists who were attracted by Hitler's opposition to the Marxists and the trade unions. And Nazi Otto Strasser had supported certain strikes of the socialist trade unions and demanded that the party come out for nationalization of industry. This of course was heresy to Hitler

who accused Otto Strasser of professing the cardinal sins of democracy and liberalism. In fact, a document which came to light at Nuremberg shows that the Nazis had been planning for some time to destroy the trade unions. And if history could not have been clearer on the fact that the National Socialists obviously lied about socialism and then completely abandoned it, we thusly turn to May 1st, 1933. The Nazis proclaimed May Day a

national holiday for workers. There was an enormous celebration exalting the worker with fanfare and speeches about how the socialists are divisive and mean. Then of course, the next day on May 2nd, the trade union headquarters throughout the country were occupied, union funds confiscated, the unions dissolved and the leaders arrested. Many were beaten and lodged in concentration camps. And within three weeks, the hollowness

of another Nazi promise was exposed when Hitler decreed a law bringing an end to collective bargaining and providing that henceforth, labor trustees appointed by him would regulate labor contracts and maintain labor peace. The law in effect outlawed strikes. The head of the German labor front, Robert Ley, promised to restore absolute leadership

to the natural leader of a factory, that is, the employer. Only the employer can decide. Many employers have for years had to call for the master in the house. Now, they are once again to be the master in the house. The Nazis established the so-called labor front, which in theory replaced the old trade unions and did not represent the worker.

Indeed, it was in reality a vast propaganda organization and as some workers said, a gigantic fraud. Its aim as stated in the law was not to protect the worker, but to create a true social and productive community of all Germans. Its task is to see that every single individual should be able to perform the maximum of work. And so of course, workers' wages fell and indeed, deprived of his trade unions, collective bargaining, and the right to strike, the German worker in the Third Reich became an industrial serf,

bound to his master, the employer, much as medieval peasants had been bound to the Lord of the Manor. In case it's not clear to you yet, Peterson and Elon's fans and reply guys specifically, this isn't the case of, well, the National Socialists killed the other socialists because that's what socialists do

to those who aren't the right kind of socialists. There goes the tolerant left, killing socialists. No, this is a case of Hitler and his Nazis being against basic foundations and mechanisms of socialism. So why am I hammering this point so hard? Do we have a clip of the hammer? Cool, what about a little metal ball?

Yeah, so we're talking about this because it's important to recognize that a billionaire industrialist saying that the Nazis were socialist actually, and one of the bad things about the Nazis is that they were so far left socialist is just Nazi propaganda. He is a capitalist, one of the richest people

on the planet in fact, lying for Nazis, literally saying the Nazis' lies. It's not surprising. Industrialists and capitalists will, of course, side against labor. It's not complicated. The Nazis crushed the workers and exalted the bosses, which brings us back to the hammering.

Bad job, truck. That's a Ford. If we want to see this connection between the Nazis and capitalism and private enterprise, look no further than Henry Ford. Yes, Musk's car daddy, his paw-tomobile. The president of the Anti-Defamation League, Jonathan Greenblatt, who as mentioned,

has criticized both Musk specifically and his ex platform generally, ironically praised Musk when he first bought Twitter. I mean, look, as we've talked about before, Elon Musk is an amazing entrepreneur, an extraordinary innovator. He's the Henry Ford of our time. Indeed, Ford was a great success in the automotive industry.

And despite propaganda saying that he was supportive of workers, he was massively and actively anti-union and anti-labor, as seen during the Battle of the Overpass, when Ford's security force and local police attacked the United Auto Workers Union. Musk hasn't gone that far, but hey, yeah, he'll get there someday.

Musk's positions are vocally anti-union. He thinks that they create a lords and peasants sort of thing, and that unions naturally try to create negativity at a company. Incidentally, on the fake May Day celebration before destroying all the unions, Hitler gave a pre-rally speech to some youths and complained about how the socialists turned May Day

into a symbol of class conflict, of never-ending strife and discord. Unions are divisive, see. We gotta do class collaboration with me, the absurdly wealthy boss. Stop conflicting with me, the boss shouted at his workers, demanding better treatment. Anyway, we can see Elon's disrespect

and even contempt for workers via his shirking of safety regulations because he doesn't like the color yellow and the demand he puts on his workers, his general hostility towards unions and collective bargaining, his current case along with Amazon and Trader Joe's to abolish the National Board of Labor Relations.

Although according to a former NLRB field attorney, there is apparently case law that it is a violation of federal labor law to sue as a means to prevent organizing and bargaining. So we'll see. Maybe they'll just sue him back for being such a bad boss because as a boss, the experience under Elon Musk

is an endless scroll of impulse firings, retribution, tone deafness on race, and the impregnation of a subordinate. Further, Tesla investigators hired by Musk allegedly hacked an employee's phone and spied on his messages. And the stridently anti-union Musk reportedly hired a public relations firm

to investigate an employee Facebook group just as Tesla workers were trying to unionize. Odd Paranoia and Anti-Worker sounds just like Ford, who in addition to being deeply anti-union, created a network of company spies who surveilled his employees and tried to control their lives. They've both bought and owned propaganda platforms that they use to engage in conspiracy-mongering and racism.

They have both had conflict with the ADL, though Ford's antisemitism was much more overt and deliberate than Musk's, as Ford was distributing publications like The International Jew, The World's Problem. While the ADL at the time published articles debunking these claims, eventually Ford was sued for defamation by a Jewish lawyer named Aaron Sapiro.

That ordeal ended in a mistrial and embarrassed Ford to the point that he shut down his publication. Musk too has an issue with and history of defaming people and making baseless accusations, more than a few. Literally he was being deposed in one of these cases the week we filmed this. Ironically, he's being sued for falsely accusing some random guy of being a neo-Nazi.

Unfortunately, this defamation has so far not led Elon to follow in Ford's embarrassed footsteps and shut down the whole operation. Shut it down, Lonnie! Shut it down! Like Musk, after his anti-Semitic exing scandal, Ford too went on a bit of a quarter baked apology tour. Although to be fair, Elon claims his wasn't an apology tour.

And to be balanced, Ford's apology tour didn't take. But now, am I saying that Elon Musk is as pro-Nazi as Henry Ford was? Not necessarily. I mean, Ford was literally friends with and a collaborator with Hitler, the Adolf one. There's no way to know, but probably not. Perhaps Elon is more of a sympathetic wormy guy

who just needs his cookies. As American conservative patriot and proto-fascist Donald J. Trump pointed out on competing website, Truth Social, when Elon Musk came to the White House asking me for help on all of his many subsidized projects, whether it's electric cars that don't drive long enough, driverless cars that crash, or rocket ships to nowhere,

without which subsidies he'd be worthless and telling me how he was a big Trump fan and Republican, I could have said, drop to your knees and beg, and he would have done it. Now, Elon should focus on getting himself out of the Twitter mess, because he could owe $44 billion for something that's perhaps worthless. Funny guy.

I'm merely pointing out some key similarities that lend themselves to alignment, to collaboration, to a mutually beneficial, at least financially, relationship. Musk is primed to sympathize with and even support a fascist party. One does not need to be as racist and awful as literal Nazis in order to be a billionaire industrialist who appreciates how much a political party

is against unions and turns a blind eye. But there's more to it, obviously. We've been focusing so much on stuff that dopes like Elon Musk and Jordan Peterson are making us focus on because they have to pretend and waste everybody's time. So I guess we should finally get more into the explicitly nationalist racist aspects of what we're talking about. Musk, of course, grew up in South African apartheid.

He hasn't spoken much on the topic, although according to his weird, awful piss head of a father, he and the rest of his siblings knew something was off and didn't like it. He also said Elon liked black people as evidenced by his quote, good relationship with their domestic staff, fancy. And to be fair and balanced,

there are some nice stories from people about how Elon was generally against the concept and even once stood up to someone who used a slur. He was very woke of him actually. Oh, interesting. He was apparently bullied for it. And I guess he never cared about slurs again. Maybe that's his anti-woke joker moment.

Woker! Absolutely not. Anyway, I bring all of that up for context as we talk about how at one of his factories, 240 black factory workers allege the automaker of rampant racism and mistreatment at the Bay Area plant. Almost 6,000 workers could be a part

of the lawsuit altogether. Quote, The individual testimonies are part of a 2017 lawsuit brought by Marcus Vaughn, who complained in writing to Human Resources and to Tesla CEO Elon Musk of a hostile work environment in which he was called slurs by coworkers and supervisors. No investigation was conducted and he was fired for not having a positive attitude.

There have been multiple cases like this with other employees. California sued Tesla in state court alleging ignored racist abuse and that Elon told workers to be thick skinned about racial harassment. Although in the actual email about being thick skinned, he describes the alleged racial harassment

as being a jerk. Really addressing the issue head on there, Lonnie. Last September, a federal agency sued Tesla for similar and even worse claims of discrimination and racism. A jury awarded a former black contract worker for Tesla $3 million, originally $137 million, after they found that Tesla had failed to protect him

from racial harassment. There are hundreds of workers with accusations like this who have requested to sue Tesla. So what gives? Has Elon ever spoken about these many, many cases and accusations? It doesn't seem so, but I thought he was the CEO, the big guy, the buck stops there, right?

Doesn't the buck stop with you? I mean, you're on it. I have to say, choose your question carefully. There's five minutes left. Okay, but so, is this the question you want to ask? Same question as you said, you said that they are killing the company, but you're the head of the company. The buck doesn't stop with you? And I'm not trying to upset you.

Well, you are upsetting me because the way you're phrasing the questions, I think is not cogent. It's not what? Not cogent. Cogent. Yes. Whoa, damn, you okay, bud?

Now that's actually a question about him blaming advertisers for the potential demise of his terrible website after he made that anti-Semitic tweet that he admitted was bad. It's just funny that the most basic ass interview 101 question to ask a controversial or scandal adjacent leader in business or politics or media is,

doesn't the buck stop with you? What a mild, even expected question to snap at. Now, it would have been interesting if Don asked about this documented history of racism at his factories so Musk could finally speak on it. Are all of these hundreds of people and those other hundreds of people and the juries and court officials simply too woke?

Maybe. Are they lying? Is Elon lying? He's lied before about his family having no relation to an Emerald Mine when he was growing up and he's acted baffled about the very idea despite mentioning it in several past interviews, even talking in an interview about when he and his father rode in a plane full of guns to the emerald mine. He can be found spouting misinformation and taking credit for other

people's ideas. Maybe he's secretly too woke. Maybe the Nazi left is forcing him to be woke. Maybe Elon is a victim of dastardly diversity, equity and inclusion policies that force his factories to engage in, allow and ignore allegedly pretty severe racism. It does seem like it runs in the family as his brother Kimball's company was also dealing with racism, then disbanded their DEI council,

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I guess. By doing anti-racism, you're actually doing reverse racism against the whites and it collapses bridges because of incompetent minorities and all that. The leftist racism of the radical Biden administration, et cetera, you know the story. Also, Elon Musk has a Hitler problem. But before we get to that, DEI.

If the test for a doctor is lowered, then the probability of them making a mistake But before we get to that, DEI. then the probability that the surgeon will make a mistake is higher. They're making mistakes in their exam. They may make mistakes with people, and that may result in people dying. What evidence do you have, though, that they're lowering the standards? There's no evidence of that. Well, I believe there is. There's no evidence of that, Elon. What is the evidence?

I believe they have literally lowered the standards at Duke University, and that is what the article is referring to. There's no evidence. Are you saying they have not lowered the standards? There's no evidence about lowering standards, and I think that there is... I believe that is a false statement you're making. OK, well, we'll figure it out.

Yeah, the interesting thing is, when this is posted on the X platform, there will be a whole bunch of things that robot what you said and what I said, the X platform, that people will reply to it with evidence. Maybe I'm wrong, let's see. So but that's my whole thing about moderation. If we lower the standards for what it takes to become a doctor. You're saying if we lower the standards, but do you believe people are dying because the standards are being lowered?

I don't think that is, yes, an issue, but it could become an issue. OK. If the standards, like let's say, I think that particular thing was referring to surgeons. Let's say a surgeon in training is asked to do a series of operations under the supervision of a senior surgeon, and they get

a bunch of those operations wrong. If that happens and yet they are still approved to be a surgeon, the probability that someone will die I think at some point is high. Okay, I understand that, but that's a hypothetical. That doesn't mean it's happening. I didn't say it's happening. You didn't say it was happening. I said, I said it will. But I said if we lower status, people will die. You think they're lowering the standards for minority doctors or women doctors or? That's what the audit that's what that article said suggested. Yes.

You might notice that Elon is concerned about the lowering of hiring standards to accommodate black people and women, an on its face bigoted statement and assumption. He says that it is happening, but then also that it's not happening. But imagine if it was, well, that would be bad to do, which Don Lemon agrees with. Lemon tries to explain that he's implying

that in order to hire more qualified minorities and women, standards of intelligence and competence need to be lowered. Upon pushback, standards of intelligence and competence need to be lowered upon pushback instead of giving a single example, just one example of it happening. He says, check the comments during a live interview about a topic that this allegedly brilliant thought genius thinks and posts about all fucking day.

What is it with these guys who talk and care so much about shit they cannot talk about? He does this same vague but aggressive wishwash elsewhere in the interview about how the Democrats are purposely bringing in tens of thousands of illegal immigrants so that they can get more seats in the House of Representatives via the census and also get them to illegally vote for them, thus eventually forming a one party state,

the Democrat states of hell-merica. This conspiracy... I didn't call it a conspiracy. I just said that there's a simple matter of incentives. You don't need a conspiracy when you have basic incentives. In my view, there is a basic incentive, there's fundamental, uh, that, uh, for the Democratic Party to foster and usher in a large number of legals. And you don't need a conspiracy in that case because you have a very basic incentive.

You could say I'm wrong about that incentive, but that's my view. I'm not buying into, I didn't, buying some great replacement theory. I'm simply saying there appears to be a very clear incentive for Democrats to have to maximize number of illegals because it helps them win elections. So an incentive is what leads to a motivation,

a motivation to do something. In this case, something that is illegal, his word, and secretly coordinated between multiple parties. Do we have a clip of that? Conspiracy. Anyway, I wonder if there's an incentive to gin up fear about immigrants too. I wonder if that helps anyone in an election.

Interesting point from Elon about incentive that maybe applies to everything in this episode, but getting on with it, to be clear, standards aren't being lowered in order to hire black people and women. In fact, one example our bandmate Ben Shapiro tried to bring up about Duke Medical School was refuted by pointing out that as diversity went up

at the school, so did GPAs. Diversity is good, but when these people are talking about DEI, to be clear, the narrative on the right and from Elon was that forced diversity in hiring at airlines was causing poor performance and more mistakes and accidents because they had to lower standards in order to hire black people and women. And they were obviously unqualified.

It's not the cutbacks and lax quality control at Boeing's plants. No, it's the whatever race you wanna think is inferior's fault, actually. Because racism is just so convenient. In fact, all of this DEI stuff allegedly stems, of course, from what you have been waiting for. Wokey's.

Some clownish jack-o'-napes call it the woke mind virus, but we all know what I'm talking about when I say woke, right? Or do we? That's actually the claim, right? That nobody can define woke. Often it's just a vague boogeyman, or it's just the latest version of social justice warrior,

or politically correct. It's CRT, it's DEI, it's cultural Marxism, it's postmodern neo-Marxism. But no, dear viewer, it is so much more than that. And to really explain it in a clear way that definitely isn't those other things, we're going to go to the gladiator of explaining stuff, Ben Shapiro.

I think that wokeism has its roots in postmodernism, which essentially suggests that every principle is a reflection of underlying structures of power, and that therefore any inequality that emerges under such a system is a reflection, again, of that structure of power. And that got transmuted into sort of a racial version of postmodernism in which the systems of the United States

are white supremacist in orientation and are perpetuated by a group of people who are in fact in favor of the United States are white supremacists in orientation and are perpetuated by a group of people who are in fact, in favor of the preservation of white power and white supremacy. That is the generalized theory of critical race theory. Okay, so that's a little vague actually, and too generalized and his disdain at this definition implies that he thinks there's no effect from racism

or America's racist history of slavery and all that. But a good faith interpretation is that he basically thinks the adjustments or laws made to account for racism are in themselves racist. And viewing everything through a lens of victimhood is unhealthy for individuals and societies because it undermines the alleged meritocracy that we were founded on.

Meritocracy and chattel slavery. The problem, like many of Ben's straw man arguments, is that according to his interpretation of and fight against wokeness, to the woke, any inequalities are the fault of a system of power dynamics and to him, therefore none are. He also interestingly claims that wokeness has its roots in post-modernism and was originally a Marxism

focused on economics, socialism, communism, et cetera. But it got warped into being Marxist about culture and race. Now this might sound familiar to you. Refraised by an equally voicy voice. You couldn't be a Marxist and claim that you were a human being by the end of the 1960s. And so they started to play a sleight of hand rephrased by an equally voicey voice and that opened up the avenue to identifying any number of groups as oppressed and oppressor and to continue the same narrative under a different name. It was no longer specifically about economics.

Huh. Okay, so postmodern neo-Marxism actually sounds an awful lot like wokeness. But surely... Horkheimer quickly began to use the Institute to develop a new Marxism, very different from the Marxism of the Soviet Union. First, recognizing the economic success of capitalism, Horkheimer announced that revolution was unlikely to come from the working class. The Frankfurt School would have to find a substitute.

Well, this was the great question. The great question is, is there surrogate for the working class? The Frankfurt School would not find an answer to this question until the 1960s. But meanwhile, Horkheimer moved to revive Lukacs's work by making the culture, not the economy, the central focus of the Frankfurt School's work. So that's a little old documentary

about political correctness and how it comes from a group of German Jewish academics called the Frankfurt School. See, they took economic Marxism, right? And get this, they pushed it through a cultural lens and it's destroying Western civilization, see? It's the same goddamn fucking thing. Wokeness is just cultural Marxism,

is just social justice warriors, is just postmodern neo-Marxism, is just political correctness, is just, well, eventually probably the Jews' fault, apparently. But I don't want to put words in their mouths. There are already enough weird ones in there. Cultural Marxism of course also appears in some terrorist manifestos like that of the Poway shooter who blamed the Jews for destroying

Europe with Cultural Marxism and Communism. Cultural Marxism was the main topic of the manifesto of far-right terrorist Anders Breivik. Cultural Marxism is not necessarily to be confused with Cultural Bolshevism, which is what the Nazis called anything they didn't like, but specifically secular, modernist, and progressive cultural movements, and attacks on conceptions of family, identity, music, art, and intellectual life. But don't worry,

Cultural Bolshevism is also not to be confused with Jewish Bolshevism, which is the, wouldn't you know it, Nazi conspiracy theory that 1917's Russian Revolution was specifically a Jewish plot to, wouldn't you know it, destroy Western civilization. Here's Elon saying the Bolsheviks killed a lot of Russians. And here are the scores of Elon's little wiener Nazi

accounts, some of which he's interacted with, really urging him to make that last step to saying, who the Bolsheviks were. Nothing to see here, I'm sure. Anyway, that terrified doll man talking about cultural Marxism and political correctness is William Lind, who according to the SPLC in 2002, gave a speech at a Holocaust Deniers Convention

where he blamed cultural Marxists for political correctness and other evils and said they were all Jewish and their whole plan is the destruction of Western culture. I'm not saying Musk or Peterson or whomever mean the exact same thing when they use the term, but you know, maybe consider a rebrand. Oh, right, they did, it's woke now.

I forgot why we were talking about this. Let's see if Elon can describe wokeness. I've understood your opinions too, but you know, like, I mean, generally, I think we should be aiming for like a positive society and you know, it should be okay to, you know, be humorous, like, you know, like we should, we should like, like workness basically wants

to make comedy illegal, which is not cool. So political correctness, that's just political correctness. Here's some more. At its heart, workiness is divisive, exclusionary, and hateful. It basically gives mean people a reason, it gives them a shield to be mean and cruel. Armored in false poetry. Well, that's just social justice warrior, the meanies.

If you were to want specifics, maybe a more detailed or nuanced definition, you're not going to get it from Elon Musk. He talks about wokeness vaguely to a fault, to the detriment of any clarity or usefulness. But the emotions are clear. These woke people with the woke mind virus are evil and out to get you and your precious society. The woke mind virus via entertainment is leading civilization to suicide? But how? I thought

wokeness in entertainment was like Snow White being only half white and a Pixar character's mom's showing romantic affection in the background for two seconds. Suicide? Of the civilization? Because of wokeness in Hollywood? I mean, benefit of the doubt, maybe there's an explanation there, but he doesn't offer one.

You might notice that I mentioned the woke mind virus specifically and not just wokeness. Yes, you've heard of it. You love hearing about it. You can't stop not shutting up about loving hearing about it. It's the woke mind virus. Clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap.

But what is WMV? I've heard woke on its own before as well as the word mind and virus and the phrase mind virus. But what means them when their powers combined? I mean, you have talked about this woke mind virus. Yes. In really apocalyptic terms.

You should explain why you don't think it's hyperbole to say things like it's pushing civilization towards suicide. First of all, what is the woke mind virus? And if we don't deal with this, nothing else can get done. Tell me why you think that. I think we need to be very cautious about anything that is anti-meritocratic and anything that results in the suppression of free speech. So those are two of the aspects of the woke mind virus

that I think are very dangerous is that it's often anti-mericocratic. You can't question things. Even the questioning is bad. Another way to, almost anonymous, would be cancel culture. And obviously people have tried to cancel you many times. Many times. Yeah. Every week. Yeah.

From left and right. I've had every week. Yeah. From left and right. I've had it from both sides. Okay, so I'm just gonna cut them off there. Good Lord. All that happens next is they jerk each other off for being able to complain about how the world is changing around them. And then Musk tries to say that he's clearly not far right

because his multi-billion dollar company makes electric cars. Great point about politics, Elon. But regarding that clip, first of all, I like how cancel culture is apparently a huge problem because Bill Maher gets canceled every week by the left and the right, but they say it on HBO to millions of people every week

despite getting canceled every week, except we're watching it right now. You're on it right now. How boring. But more to the point, we got a little bit of a definition there from Elon. That's great. Again, it's this idea of being anti-meritocratic.

I wonder why the richest guy on the planet needs to think that everything is based on merit. Hmm. So surely wokeness is bad. Those two annoying pricks say so. But to what end? When confronted about the dangers of DEI, he seems to flounder quite a bit

and rely on the eventual comments that will prove black people and women are less qualified for stuff or whatever. But he did clarify later about the potential dangers of woke AI pushing diversity. So maybe that will help elucidate. A friend of mine suggested that I clarify the nature of the danger of woke AI, especially forced diversity.

If an AI is programmed to push for diversity at all costs, as Google Gemini was, then it will do whatever it can to cause that outcome, potentially even killing people. Okay, see, that actually doesn't clarify anything. One of the dangers of any AI is that it will do whatever it can to cause an outcome,

potentially even killing people. You didn't explain how the people would die, Elon. Do you think everyone's fucking stupid? Fuck you for thinking you said anything there. Well, just to clarify, the nature of the danger of blank. If an AI is programmed to do blank at all costs, then it will do whatever it can to cause that blank outcome potentially even killing people.

Amazing insight. When Elon says woke, he admittedly knows what he means way less than the people who talk their way into defining it as cultural Marxism. But it's all kind of the same shade. We've been circling around this idea since the beginning, when we for some reason had to decide whether the Nazis were left or right wing.

And I do hope I've established what a silly question that was and what silly people these are, spreading their little lies that the Nazis told. But also, I hope it's clear that yes, it wasn't left wing, but in fact, it was in almost all sense of the word anti-left wing. It's what Robert Paxton vaguely called

a dictatorship against the left before defining it in more detail. That's the word fascism that he was trying to describe. Pro-rigid hierarchies, anti-democracy, anti-socialism, anti-liberalism, anti-welfare, anti-multiculturalism. Some of the first books the Nazis burned were the literature on homosexuality and transgenderism at the Institute for Sexual Science. They just hated woke shit and commies

and they blamed the Jews for all of it. A degenerate cabal is infecting the world with Marxist ideas and we need a strong man to burn it out and restore order. You can see this sentiment a lot these days on X, the everything app. For example, this X user tweeting sympathy for the rise of Nazis as a response

to the alleged liberal hotbed of homo and trans sexuality in the Weimar Republic. You can see another X premium user on X, the Everything app reply with, we're in Weimar too. That X user's tweet doesn't mean that there's a noticeable and alarming bubbling rise of fascism. They mean that there's a noticeable and alarming bubbling rise of fascism. They mean that there's a bubbling rise of liberalism and socialism and degeneracy

that needs to be stamped out by fascism. That's what they're saying. It's a sentiment that can be found from conservative pundits and also random Twitter blue accounts posting Hitler's speeches and expressing support for them. It's not an unpopular sentiment on X these days, is the point.

To these people, the rise of the Nazis was understandable, if not also justifiable. Killing the Libs to own the Libs. Now, if you're anti-woke or whatever, I'm not saying you're a Nazi. I hope that's clear. But I am saying that you might one day look around and find yourself agreeing with Nazis and fascists.

And you may find yourself just calling everything you don't like woke amidst calling everything woke evil and even making clear that wokeness and the woke mind virus are anti-human. Elon can't really articulate how it's anti-human beyond vague platitudes about people being jerks or shutting down free speech, but I think this feeling stems from a few places. For starters, one of his daughters is trans,

a lefty, and hates him. There's a noticeable political shift in Elon around the time he was allegedly dealing with that. And at least according to Elon, he bought Twitter because it's misgendering harassment policy got the Babylon Bee suspended. Seems like the trans stuff really bothers him.

Hope he deals with it in a healthier way than his fans want to. But I think another reason Elon hates wokeness is because he has very clear ideas of what he wants to do. His goals are to make humanity multi-planetary and to preserve human consciousness. Basically save the world, but with the concrete goal of moving some people

to another place. He's also an industrialist and a capitalist who needs to constantly grow and generate profit and value while pursuing these lofty goals of his. People who are woke, whether that means pro-union, or anti-racism, or pro-regulation, are simply in his way. And he has no problem crushing people who are in his way.

Indeed, you can have lofty pro-human goals and still do bad things and have bad ideas. Even he knows this. You can have pro-human aims with anti-human practices. Often his pro-humanity and sympathies seem really tacked on, like lip service. When asked six years ago if he would do anything for the homeless or the housing crisis,

he said that his boring company that gets in the way of public transportation projects and has built one sludgy tunnel in Vegas would be selling their leftover dirt as bricks for affordable housing. Now, if you find that useless and insulting from the richest man in the world, just wait until every tech blog writes about it,

the boring company sells dirt bricks as toys instead, and then they literally never do anything about it ever again. What a fake little afterthought from a liar. Literally under oath, Musk doesn't even know that he's still in charge of that company. Like five years after saying he'd sell leftover dirt to homeless people and not even doing that,

Musk was complaining about homelessness near the Twitter headquarters. And he casually said that he tried to turn some of the building into a homeless shelter, but the owner of the building wouldn't let him. Now, there's no confirmation that he actually tried to do this. Publications haven't received confirmation.

And Business Insider's article just says, the building's owners didn't immediately respond to Insider's request for comment made outside of regular working hours. So great work to them on that. We here at the Shody also reached out to the owners of the building during working hours. And it's been a couple of weeks and there's been no response.

So we can't say if it's true or not. But in terms of afterthoughts, let's let Musk explain it. You've also talked about how potentially, I think you might've been joking, but you could turn this into a homeless shelter. Yes. I guess the reason I'm asking is you know, you've… If we tried to turn it into a homeless shelter, the building management, the building owner

rejected it. You tried to do it? Yeah, they won't let us. Which bits have you tried to turn into a homeless shelter? We're only using one of the buildings, so the other building could be a homeless shelter. And you've tried to… Yeah, we would like to do it right now. Really?

Yes. And you're being stopped by who? By the building owner. They won't let you? No. In fact, they wouldn't even let us take the W off the sign. They wouldn't even let them take the W off the sign

to make it say titter. I don't know, man. It seems like maybe that's what you're actually mad at. And the homeless shelter thing is an afterthought to make a statement about work from home and to bother the building owner. Especially considering he was angry tweeting about the titter sign on the same night

of his homeless shelter idea poll, which he has since deleted. But I don't want to assume maybe he really cares about this and has thought about it a lot. So how were you gonna do that? It was really quite, you know. What was your plan for the shelter? I don't know, we could just let people stay there.

It's nice. Right. Okay, I didn't know that. They can bring their stuff, bring the tent and whatever. Right, and it's a roof over their head. Yeah, if the building owner lets us, we'll do it. Yeah, so if the building owner lets you, you would happily do that? Yes.

Okay, so never mind, I guess. He seems to actually not have any thoughts about it. When asked about his plans for a homeless shelter, the richest man on the planet said, I don't know, we could just let people stay there. They could bring their stuff, bring their tent, whatever. Ah, the compassion. If not for that dastardly building owner, yah! Hey, Elon, come here. Come closer. Buy another building.

Just go do that, go do it. You're the richest person on the planet. You are not powerless in this situation. Amazon Seattle headquarters is part homeless shelter. You're being cucked by Bezos, Elon. Where'd the tweet go that he's responding to, Elon? Doesn't seem like you care or thought about it, is my point.

Doesn't seem like you think much on smaller aspects of the population at all. But hey, you're a big picture guy. You're worried about birth rates and such, cool. We're actually not gonna spend much time on birth rates as we've already done an episode that touches on that and him. Also, experts disagree that this is an issue.

Also, Musk isn't really good at analyzing trends and we don't have time to dwell on the implications of Musk's obsession with declining birth rates and how he views genetics and the abilities of certain races. Or him recently begging his gay friends to have children while he constantly supports Libs of TikTok and the political party that would ban IVF

and probably his gay friend's ability to get married or adopt. IVF that he used to conceive like half of his kids. But sure, he is pro-human in that he wants human consciousness to survive. Okay, you can have noble goals and still do ignoble things. You can accomplish those goals by doing terrible things. Just ask Tim Poole about Thanos.

He loves talking about it. So, so for instance, like Thanos was the was utilitarian and Captain America was deontological. I didn't. So Thanos willing to reduce the suffering by killing, you know, hundreds of trillions versus the, you know, thousands of trillions, which would be living better off. And I admit it's, it's, I'll call it dickish. Utilitarianism is typically the villain in most movies. I don't care. As nobody should. Or look at the philosophy that Elon

and many of his tech cohorts subscribe to, long-termism, which prioritizes humanity's long-term survival over any short-term element or need. Or think about how Musk views the world. He seems to quite seriously think we're living in a simulation. And if we are, he thinks the goal of the game lines up with his goals. He also thinks that more than half the country has a woke mind virus and is collectively his enemy, and many are

mindless NPCs running about in the world without thoughts in their head. It's his simulation, and he's player one. So to him, sacrifices can be made as long as it's for the cause. The number can go down now as long as the number goes up later. Except the sacrifices he's going to make now are other people's livelihoods and health and lives. One of the most popular movies out right now is about this.

One of the mothers of one of his kids literally thinks that her son, the real life baby, will walk a similar path to Dune's Paul Atreides. And spoilers, it's fucked up to think that. Musk can be pretty anti-human actually. He's constantly dehumanizing people, othering them, generalizing entire groups of people based on single events or people,

especially if you disagree with him, but not exclusively that. You just have to be woke coded. Here, in response to some boring dumb hags post about a drag queen being accused of sexual assault, Elon replied, the woke hide their evil in a moral cloak. So the woke are evil, they have evil,

they hide that evil with a moral cloak because of this one person's sexual assault allegations. I'm sure he's got some very harsh things to say about the entire Republican party. Oh, he loves them? Oh, he thinks that it's the fucking end of the world if they lose? And his enemies, the Democratic Party,

the party of unions and class action lawyers, the left, the socialists, the media, all have this cultural Marxist woke mind virus. They're all literally evil and insidious and deceptive. In fact, here's what he thinks of the wokes. Here's what they look like to him. A fucked up, mostly dead fly corpse covered in cordyceps. Hundreds of millions of humans.

His daughter are that to him. The mind virus havers, the NPCs, evil, unthinking non-humans. That's what he sees. Gross, kill that is what I would say if I didn't know he was talking about millions of human beings. That's what the impulse is supposed to be, right?

The desired reaction, kill that. It's literally dehumanizing, it's anti-human. And I know it's just a tweet and I'm sorry for harping on this, but it's also the topic of the video. So this is kind of Nazi shit. It's gross him talking like this, not the adorable little fly corpse.

Hey, little buddy. Yes, despite his goals, Elon is often anti-human. This dehumanization, of course, also takes the form of boosting anything about immigrants invading, hyper-focusing on isolated instances of immigrant crime, often being wrong about the information. Like this example Elon obsessed over, even though it was later reported the police started it.

Oh, ha, ha, shucks. Oh, always so wrong. Elon tries to hide his fear mongering by saying he supports legal immigration, just not illegal immigration, except. In fact, when they did fund us, they realized that we were illegal immigrants. Well, I mean, I'd say it was a gray area.

Yeah. Well, that's weird. Elon frequently claims that if 1% of the rest of the planet immigrated to the United States, so about 75 million, 560,000 people, then we would be crushed, swamped, flooded, sound the alarm bells. He also thinks that we should have 1 billion Americans.

Hmm, hey Elon, what's 332 million plus 75 million? Less than half a billion? Sounds like you want to flood the country, Elon. Stupid, stupid racist. We can also see Elon complain about immigrant crime, of course, even though immigrants commit less crime than native born citizens. In fact, second generation, as in children of immigrants,

commit crime at about the same rate as native born citizens. So immigrants are actually assimilating well into American culture by becoming more criminal. Yet in Elon's mind. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. Elon's mind. And much like how Trump saying the quiet part loud

opened up people to be more accepting of racist rhetoric, so too has Elon's behavior and rhetoric seemingly opened things up on the website he bought. There's broad evidence that the site in general has seen a rise in racism. For example, X has paid a Nazi account at least $3,000 by placing ads next to pro-Hitler and Holocaust denying memes.

In addition, large advertisers like Apple and IBM have been placed next to pro-Hitler and pro-Nazi posts. There's also anecdotal evidence in that there's just, there's just like Nazis everywhere. It is concerning. Part of the impetus to write this episode is because I made a new X account for something in the future you'll see eventually.

I started scrolling what was basically the home page of X, what the website and algorithm wanted to show a fresh user. Interestingly, unlike other social algorithmic websites like Reddit, there is no home page for X. You can't go to x.com and see what's trending on X without an account. You can see individual tweets if you have a specific link to them, but if you have a link to a reply, you won't even be able to scroll up to see what it's replying to. It didn't used to be this way. You could scroll around on trending to see what was trending on Twitter,

you just couldn't reply or post and so on. But Elon Musk changed that, claiming it's for API reasons and not letting people scrub data or whatever. But I don't know, it seems, it seems like it's partly because he doesn't want non-users to see what an X homepage would actually look like. Because let me tell you about my first day on X.

That website is fucked, y'all. It started as a blank slate account and the feed was mostly like four-year-old Reddit kind of stuff and some animal videos maybe. And then of course some Musk tweets. And then suddenly a pretty racist tweet. I bookmarked it and kept scrolling. Then another racist tweet and another,

just race science Nazi stuff more and more and more. The account follows Joe Biden and NASA. It was wild how bad it was. And I'm not surprised that Elon doesn't want a public homepage of what's trending on X. But we don't need to look at the rest of the site. We don't need to look at the Babylon Bee posting a headline about inbred Nazis, and then the swarm of racists descending upon them to talk about their favorite races that disgust them genetically. We don't even

necessarily need to look at what Musk himself posts, although here's a smattering, here's a freaking smattering all over the place. But no, all we really need to do is look at just Musk's interactions in circles. He's posting, right? Who's he posting for? Who's he posting for? It's Grim. There's the expected collection of sycophants

and venture capitalists and tech guys and his grifting token Democrat and whichever journalist or media figure he will end up scorning eventually. But perhaps even more so is a growing collection of former white nationalists, current anti-woke, anti-left engagement beta counts, race scientists or race science dabblers,

conservative political hacks and cranks, and a random assortment of memes and news he shares that only sometimes comes from Holocaust deniers. Here's one guy who's basically all of those things. I'm proud to announce that we have signed a deal with a publisher. We're gonna be publishing all of this in a new book that will teach us all how to identify the cultural Marxists,

how to use their playbook against them, how to crush their revolutions, and we will specifically call them that which they are. Because they reject the human rights of others, they reject the humanity of their oppressed classes. I submit to you that they themselves have become the unhumans. So that's Jack piece of shit Obick.

Sorry, that's Jack POS Obick. Wait, Jack Psobik, a real piece of shit. Yes, currently, as in this year, he's talking about the unhuman, I'm sure Elon loves that, cultural Marxists. But back in 2015 and 2016, he could be seen following around and sucking up the leavings

of well-documented white nationalist Richard Spencer. Here are a bunch of now deleted then tweets of the neo-Nazi 1488 meme, 14 being the 14 words, 88 being corresponding alphabet HH as in Heil Hitler. Here's him doing some other code about the Jews. His mentor is political operative and convicted felon and Steve Bannon confidant and Richard Nixon helper and Batman hunter Roger Stone. He is a trained rat fucker and

misinformation peddler who has been published by a different white supremacist from Richard Spencer has worked with two other neo-Nazis at least twice. He helped organize the original stop the steal campaign. And here he is recently saying things extremely plainly. Welcome, I just wanted to say welcome to the end of democracy. We're here to overthrow it completely. We didn't get all the way there in January 6th, but we will endeavor to get rid of it

and replace it with this right here. We'll replace it with this right here. Amen. That's right, because all glory, all glory is not to government, all glory to God. Explicitly anti-democracy, implicitly violent, dehumanizing hatred, hangs out and works with actual neo-Nazis.

At best, he is a Nazi collaborator. And Elon is often like, wow, we Jack, the left has gone too far. These immigrant crimes are getting out of hand. The evil wolves are scumbugsugs waiting for our wrath, Jack. And again, this is just one of many of these serious race scientists or former white nationalists or normal general racists.

Elon doesn't discern with whom he expresses concern for black on black crime or immigrant crime or how Jews push race-based Marxism and are importing hordes of minorities that hate those very Jews because of the very race Marxism those Jews have pushed. You know, cool outer space stuff. Rockets are awesome.

But if you find yourself sympathizing and boosting the concerns and plights of a well-documented racist and liar and neo-Nazi collaborator, Elon, you're a bit of a Nazi-documented racist and liar and neo-Nazi collaborator, Elon. You're a bit of a Nazi sympathizer. Let's say there's a Nazi cartoonist whose name was revealed, and anyone sharing that Nazi's name

was suspended from Twitter or X or whatever, even though according to the site's terms of service, sharing the name of someone wasn't against the terms of service at the time, and they literally updated the policy to address what happened to the Nazi cartoonist. And amidst all of that, Elon also starts following someone

with a history of doxing people and buddying up to literal fascists and white supremacists and posting the names of anonymous accounts and I can't stress this enough, randomly and suddenly developing a British accent. Let's say all that happened because it did. And it just seems like he's consistently hostile to, broadly, the left, and most often gives a sympathetic ear

to fascists and fascist propagandists. Interesting. Concerning? A little. Maybe it's time to address the segment I alluded to earlier, and maybe the title of the whole episode, who knows? We'll see.

Elon Musk's Hitler Problem. In the past, Elon Musk has talked about the five and sometimes six industries necessary to push humanity forward, to preserve and excel humanity and human consciousness. Five and sometimes six areas that will change the world that he wants to be involved in. He thought this from an early age,

the internet, multi-planetary life, changing human genetics, sustainable energy, AI, and high bandwidth interface with the human brain. You might notice that he actually has companies that deal with almost all of those. The only one he doesn't have is something related to genetics. Although he sees the possible benefit

of altering human genetics to address things like dementia and so on, he has discussed his reticence to starting a company involving genetics by referring to it all as a thorny subject. And in one interview, he further explained, quote, you know, I call it the Hitler problem. Hitler was all about creating the Ubermensch

and genetic purity. And it's like, how do you avoid the Hitler problem? I don't know. You don't know? Just don't do that. Like, I don't want to oversimplify things here, but the easy way to avoid the Hitler problem is to think the Hitler stuff was bad.

You avoid trying to create genetic purity because you think the idea of genetic purity is stupid. This sounds less like the Hitler problem and more like your Hitler problem, Elon. Please just don't make it our Hitler problem eventually. Please, that would be awesome. The interviewer responds, I think there's a way, but the suggested way is just that Elon will think

of something eventually, because as the interviewer points out, much like Henry Ford, Elon always finds a way around obstacles. It's interesting phrasing to find a way around moral issues. Now I bring this up because clearly Elon is apparently aware of potential dangers in the realm of genetics, even if he's vague on how much he does

or doesn't agree with them actually being bad. But he doesn't seem to extend this thought to a realm he has recently entered, one that wasn't on his original list, speech. Maybe file this one under internet, I guess. This is especially important for Musk, who is a free speech warrior. It's why he bought Twitter and never censors anybody.

He's free-speeching all over the place with that freezing speech, as in the examples currently on screen, but also the Center for Countering Digital Hate recently reported how, you know, hate and misinformation was high on X, but also the Center for Countering Digital Hate recently reported how, you know, hate and misinformation was high on X, formerly Twitter. So Elon sued them. The judge just ruled that the case was unabashedly and vociferously about one thing,

that there can be no mistaking that purpose. And that purpose was punishing the defendants for their speech concerning, unless the judge was woke, in which case concerning. Musk is a free speech absolutist in that he says he believes in free speech while adhering to all of any individual nation's laws regarding speech.

He also seems to bend rules according to his whims and make new rules seemingly for himself. He clearly understands the value of speech and the value of dominating the marketplace of ideas. He can say the platform is non-political, but his speech and behavior don't line up with that. He is linked to the website no matter what. His ownership of it makes it political.

And it's been reported multiple times that he uses the website to boost his tweets. President Johnny Brandon did a more popular Super Bowl tweet than him, and he got mad and made everybody work at the job of making sure people see his tweets. He spends the majority of the day throughout the day pretending to work at six companies

and liking and replying to and quoting tweets that he wants you to see. That's why he does it. He wants you to see it. He knows how powerful speech is. But also. I didn't say an Hispanic invasion. You tweeted, you quoted a tweet that said,

that called it a Hispanic invasion. If I quote something, it doesn't mean I agree with anything, everything in it. It's just something that I want. I think this is something worth people should consider. Why would you quote something that you didn't believe? Because anything I quote is going to have a whole range of statements. Doesn't mean I agree with everything in it. Very convenient that he doesn't have to be at all discerning or precise with the speech

that he thinks is very important and that he wants people to see. Convenient that he can wash his hands of consequences or accountability or any probing. A man who claims to value speech doesn't seem to see the value and power of the speech of the richest man on the planet who regularly exercises that speech on the popular platform that he bought

with other people's borrowed money. It's very convenient that he so often only posts something vague like two exclamation points so the post can be put into people's borrowed money. It's very convenient that he so often only posts something vague like two exclamation points, so the post can be put into people's feeds, but he doesn't have to express an actual opinion on or endorsement of any or all parts of it. It is interesting though, that in that Don Lemon clip, Elon noticeably distances himself

from the Hispanic invasion rhetoric. When asked about that specific phrase, he rejects it as not something he endorses. So he knows that certain rhetoric is unsavory, or maybe, dare I say, right-wing fasci-speak. Like when you talk about immigration in terms of a race or people invading your country, or like his anti-Semiticic worst post he's ever done.

It's actually a pattern. It's not always him specifically, but it's consistently the people he sympathizes with and supports and boosts, who when you get down to it, all just sound like this. And some of the things I see in this country of ours make my blood boil. I see people with foreign accents making all the money.

I see Negroes holding jobs that belong to me and you. Now I ask you, if we allow this thing to go on, what's gonna become of us real Americans? I've heard this kind of talk before, but I never expected to hear it in America. That's a short film from the 1940s, several years into World War II. It's simple, it's clear,

it's about the Nazis and fascists in Europe. Ever heard of them? It's about how they talk, what they talk about, and so on. I don't know if it could be more clear. Feels like it was filmed for babies. Interestingly, they did a study that found that it was actually effective in making people think something like that

couldn't happen in the United States. Imagine that! Elon... Hey, Elon. The whole point here is, you can want immigration reform or more help at the border without saying that people with a mind virus are encouraging hordes of violent, untrustworthy minorities to invade the country and take over your homes and kill your neighbors.

It makes you sound like a Nazi. Elon and his platform have what he might call a the Hitler problem. He says that speech and free speech are fundamentally important and that X is the only place to find the truth. It's not a cult at all. So what he concerningly chooses to amplify

is important to note. And a lot of it is just racist garbage from a bunch of Nazis and weirdos. And like I said, at the beginning of this, it doesn't really matter how much Elon believes any of it. And I'm not saying he's a Nazi, but much like a lot of right-wing figures these days, he's finding himself oddly amongst them. Their concerns align with each other.

He sympathizes with them. If you were to say strip Nazi propaganda and ideas and fears and targets of their place of origin, he'd probably respond to it all with two exclamation points. Concerning. And since you're watching, Elon, just like playing with fire, man, I'm not even gonna make a joke about the fires

that your cars start. Just, you know, cool it, buddy. I don't know. You might regret it. Allegedly, Henry Ford saw a documentary about the horrors of the Holocaust, and it literally gave him a stroke and he died the next year.

As one of his close colleagues Josephine Goman wrote in her unpublished memoir, Ford saw the ravages of a plague he had helped to spread. The virus had come full circle. Interesting word, virus. Anyway, when he was on his Not an Apology tour, Elon talked with my bandmate, Ben Shapiro, about what a useful tool x.com is

and how if X was around back then, maybe the Holocaust wouldn't have happened. No, I'm not kidding, they even showed a video. Well, you know, the video that E.J. put up a moment ago suggesting that the Holocaust would have been somewhat mitigated or people may have had more information. Oh, yeah. Been able to, certainly been able to escape earlier.

Of course, there's probably no way to know what it would have been like if a social media site in general was around during the rise and fall of the Nazis, or how much information could have gotten out earlier, or if anything more would have been like if a social media site in general was around during the rise and fall of the Nazis or how much information could have gotten out earlier or if anything more would have been done. It is much easier, however, to imagine what it would be like if say Henry Ford owned a social media site, some paranoid hyper online little guy

liking his little memes, well, right clicking on other people's memes and saving them to his device and then posting those saved memes on his own timeline and being thanked by the people he steals the memes from. But yeah, you know, he's scrolling through Fordcom on his Ford phone all day, spreading conspiracies from grifters and hangers-on, fear-mongering about instances of minority crime,

implying that those minorities need standards lowered to accommodate them and their low IQs. Low IQs because certain races are simply genetically inferior to others, engaging with allegedly former white supremacists and known neo-Nazi collaborators and white nationalist publications, agreeing with and boosting misinformation

and antisemitic conspiracy theories from random meme accounts. On the non-political website, where the owner said that the world is toast if everybody doesn't vote for the political party that ironically doesn't believe in climate change. And if they lose, it's because certain people with a mind virus stole the election

by importing hordes of violent minorities into the country. Terrible website. Just awful. Oh, cool, a racist meme account that Elon likes just posted the mayor of Baltimore speaking after the bridge collapse and called him a DEI mayor. Racist, useless garbage website.

So bad. Bad website. That I will stop using. I will. I will. I will. ["The Star-Spangled Banner"] I need to see my likes. I got some, I got some likes, yes.

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