Some More News - Some More News: Do You Get It Now, Ben?

Episode Date: February 11, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:03 Oh, Ben. Ben, Ben, Ben. Poor Ben. Forget your last name. Hold on. A guy who is always wrong about the world. Scroll through AI overview, useless Reddit threads, Quora, more AI. Shapira! That's him. I'm so sorry, Ben. It's just, you know, you're not exactly on the pulse right now. I think the kids call it giving fleek. So fleak out with your finger out, Ben specifically, and tap that subscribe button. Smash the like. Fuck it with your finger, everybody. So anyways, here's some news. I don't know if you realize, but this is a video about my bandmate Ben Shapiro, who has recently been taking a rare big old stand against the growing anti-Semitism,
Starting point is 00:00:57 and as he puts it, cowardice and grifting among right-wing pundits, a thing that is a problem suddenly, I guess we'll see. Point is, Ben's a correct guy in this particular stance, which is notable because he's usually a fake intellectual who is always wrong about everything and the world and such. For example, here's him from April of last year. Much spending has, in fact, really been stopped. There's been an open question as to how much spending will be permanently stopped,
Starting point is 00:01:27 how much can be temporarily frozen versus actually just cut, will firing these employees actually stick? But Democrats are caterwauling because as it turns out, Doge actually has been quite effective in stopping an enormous amount of spending. Is it trillions of dollars? No. Is it hundreds of billions of dollars? The answer apparently is yes. Nope.
Starting point is 00:01:46 Sorry, Ben. You were wrong. You can say that spending went down for certain things that you don't like. But since Doge came, fired everyone, demolished a bunch of agencies, and went, spending increased. Also, they played it real fast and loose with our... a social security data, Ben. So Ben's video called the secret success of Doge was wrong. How embarrassing if he was capable of shame.
Starting point is 00:02:13 Because like many who shall not be named, Ben's grift has always been supported by blasting out a constant stream of lies or bad opinions, appealing to whatever outrage or talking point the right wing had glommed onto in the moment, without any consideration for the future. Because for the longest time, the future didn't matter. Philosophically, it doesn't even exist.
Starting point is 00:02:35 You say the thing everyone wants you to say, talk about whokeness or drag brunch or whatever, get the clicks, get the money, and then you move on. In a matter of weeks, you're talking about a brand new thing that's destroying society, and so on. Remember the drag stuff? Does Ben still care about the drag queen's story hour, like he did so much three years ago?
Starting point is 00:02:57 Lips of TikTok, well, put something up, like, you know, an actual poster from an actual public event. event. And then people might notice it and might get mentioned on shows like this one or on Tucker Carlson. And then a nutcase might go into an act of violence. Therefore, we should shut down libs of TikTok. You must not notice. You must never notice what exactly they are attempting to do with kids. In fact, as Brandy Zedrosny, even noticing that this thing happens is just evidence of bigotry. Because after all, drag queen shows for small children are wonderful. They're an active good. And it's not happening, and it's good that it is, is another one of the schicks that the left
Starting point is 00:03:28 likes to play here. It's not happening, it's not a big deal, but also it's wonderful for children. And if you disagree, then you must be a stochastic terrorist. It is the term they like to use. Sticastic terrorist is their favorite term for free speech that I don't like. It's more on this in just one second. First, if you're looking for a great holiday gift this season, maybe the best holiday gift this season, you need to head on over to Legacy Box. They're promoting degeneracy. And speaking of promotion, use promo code. Oh, I'm so mad and wrong for 10% off. A bucket of You can eat in an emergency or something. So that's been specifically defending hate peddlers
Starting point is 00:04:04 like libs of TikTok for merely noticing drag queens, noticing so innocently the stuff they're doing to children. And the left love calling it stochastic terrorism for simply noticing the thing that you then lie about and describe as being sexual indoctrination of children. If you object to us sexualizing children, if you object to us sexually indoctrinating children, showing them imagery, they shouldn't be shown,
Starting point is 00:04:31 making them part of some weird, fetishistic activity where men have to twerk in front of small children while dressed as women. And if you don't love that, you're responsible for murder. God, why am I talking about this? You'll see, it matters. My point is that Ben Shapiro spent a bunch of time
Starting point is 00:04:49 days and days of his life, devoted to lying and depicting drag queens as pedophiles, And then, when that resulted in actual attacks and threats on people, threw up his hands and was like, oh, so you can't notice things without being a stochastic terrorist? And then, and this is important, just moved on to the next thing. Drag Queen's Story Hour didn't go away. It continues harmlessly as before. Children weren't being sexually indoctrinated after all, I guess.
Starting point is 00:05:22 Because they don't care anymore. Everything Ben and the right were saying about it was wrong, and they just moved on to a new group of people to terrorize. And that is, largely, Ben Shapiro's entire career, moving from one group to the next, Muslims, gay people, trans people, immigrants, and telling his viewers that they are going to end society, and then just moving on and on and on after helping that group get harassed or worse. Sometimes circling back, sure.
Starting point is 00:05:51 And I guess it never occurred to him, that this pattern could end up affecting him in any way. Why would it? There are no cautionary tales about monsters being created and then somehow harming the people who created them, right? We should do a title now. No, don't eat me. Ben Shapiro is being eaten by the exact monster he helped create.
Starting point is 00:06:21 End of episode. We kind of just made the entire point. But just for fun, let's spend some more time talking about Ben, because, dare I say, this might be the last time he's relevant enough to talk about. Like, this might be the last Ben Shapiro episode we do, unless he cameos in our in-universe episode about musicals. He'd enjoy that, right?
Starting point is 00:06:43 He'd enjoy that. His career is kind of giving fleakless right now, is the point. There's actually another video called The Sharp Fall of Ben Shapiro by YouTuber Jose that goes into this a lot. It's a very good video. It will probably overlap a little with this video. Check it out, highly recommend.
Starting point is 00:07:00 But we're doing it too. Ben was ours first! One thing that video goes into is that Ben Shapiro's YouTube views are going way down and appear to be artificially inflated in places. Ben's signature company, The Daily Wire, is also apparently struggling with recent layoffs after their co-CEO Jeremy Boring resigned or quit or likely was pushed out, because it turns out that taking your right-wing propaganda company and using millions and millions of dollars to make bad sports, comedies, starring yourself, and asylum-level rip-offs of Game of Thrones is a bad business decision.
Starting point is 00:07:38 Who knew? Be sure to check out the Penn Dragon cycle Rise of the Merlin out on Daily Wire Plus. I say Merlin slew 17 men with his own hands. I could say he slew 500. Wow! Looks expensive and unwatchable! I'll be sure to check it out on one of those illegal websites with the commercial commercials for slots. But hey, listen, hey, listen, we got Jeremy Boring directing some episodes and executive producer Ben Shapiro. And those guys know entertainment. For example, here is Ben Shapiro doing his executive producer review
Starting point is 00:08:18 of one battle after another, an Oscar nominated film that's been largely accepted as, you know, at least pretty good. First of all, not good, do not like, bad. Perfect. Boy, why am I talking about this? You'll see, it matters! It's also just fun. Every time he sees a movie and clearly wasn't paying attention or got too mad about the news and wokeness to enjoy it,
Starting point is 00:08:43 it's just fun to hear him talk about it. I'm sorry. It's very funny to hear Ben Shapiro completely failed to understand this movie, and at times, royally clown himself without needing any help from me. The music is actually quite good. The score is by Johnny Greenwood, who I'm not sure what else he has done, actually,
Starting point is 00:09:04 but I thought that the score was effective. Radiohead, Ben, are you being sarcastic? Didn't really seem like it. He's a Zionist, you'd love him, but whatever doesn't matter. You didn't bing his name, even though it's the one part of the movie you liked, so maybe look it up for your review, it's fine.
Starting point is 00:09:21 Also, nearly all the comments of this video are just people making fun of Ben, because it seems that his primary viewership is just people coming for Dare I say it, the rage bait. Anyway, so I'll try not to spoil one battle after another. See it if you like movies. It's at least pretty good.
Starting point is 00:09:40 But this is actually important because the film is sort of about what's happening now in America, but not really. It's not one to one, but it's a very clear allegory about a group of revolutionaries realizing that they failed, often due to their own internal issues and selfishness, and then passing the torch to the next generation.
Starting point is 00:09:58 In the case of the film, it's about immigration, but not exactly the same as what's happening right now with ICE. But it's also about like parenthood and other things. It could have just as easily taken place in the Star Wars universe because the moral of the film applies to any type of revolution or resistance. That moral basically being, pace yourself because the fight is endless. America is, dare I say, one battle after another. The film deals with the false evident in left-wing movements, while also pointing out that on the other side, fascists tend to eat themselves. Because ultimately, nobody is pure enough for them, and everyone is usable and disposable. Anyway, none of that got to Ben, who just thinks the movie's dumb.
Starting point is 00:10:47 Because what happens is that Stephen Lockjaw is trying to join a white nationalist group, a white Christian nationalist group called the Christmas Adventurers Club. I know, this is so stupid. but the whole thing so, it's such a stupid movie. It's so dumb. Okay, first of all, you gotta calm down, man. It's silly, it's funny. The movie's funny. The specific thing he's talking about in the movie
Starting point is 00:11:09 is funny. The reason he's mad is because he knows it's funny and true. But what he's describing there is how the film's villain's primary motivation is to get into this stupid little insular club of white supremacists, but isn't deemed good enough because he might,
Starting point is 00:11:26 have had a biracial child. In other words, this character is bending over backwards, sacrificing his entire life for a group of people who will inevitably betray him because he's just not white enough. But anyway, it's so stupid, Ben says. Ben, who then sums up the film like this. It is an ideological mess, but it's more than a mess.
Starting point is 00:11:50 It's actually quite ideologically bad. The basic suggestion is a conspiracy theory in which the United States is run by white supremacist Christian nationalists, and all people of color and a few nice, incompetent fellow travelers like Bob, are going to take on that entire system. And that system must be taken on at the cost of family, at the cost of friendship, at the cost of decency, at the cost of basic human capacity for success. It is better, in other words, to be a complete loser who wastes your life bombing things randomly in order to free illegal immigrants
Starting point is 00:12:21 to run willy-nilly across the border than to be like a productive citizen of that. And no point, Is that actually considered by anyone, by the way? Like, just to be a productive citizen of society? Yeah, Ben. Why didn't anyone in the movie stop and consider being a productive member of society? You know, if you don't count the inciting incident of the film where Leonardo DiCaprio's character has a daughter and stops being a revolutionary, specifically,
Starting point is 00:12:42 to raise his daughter as a productive member of society, because the film is literally about people struggling to do that exact thing. This is like if Ben watched Jurassic Park and was like, where's all the dinosaurs? Because Ben saw a movie that used immigration to talk about fascists and had a lot of people of color in it and clearly got really, really distracted by all that woke stuff so much that he missed everything else, including really large plot points and themes. Don't worry. For all of those who were worried that there might be a person of color in this film who's on the wrong side, no. Of course! This woke movie wouldn't dare have a person of color be bad. You know, if you don't count the inciting incident of the mom, a person of color, abandoning her
Starting point is 00:13:26 kid and ratting out her fellow revolutionaries. Do you think this is aspirational, Ben? Or when that same black revolutionary kills an innocent person in a bank robbery, or the non-binary character who rats out their friend of the military? Like, there were literally multiple think pieces and online complaints about how this film seems to throw every non-white character under the bus.
Starting point is 00:13:49 That was one of the bigger talking points when this film came out. Even if you disagree with either assessment, If you watched the movie, you wouldn't think that every person of color is portrayed as an heroic angel. Okay, I could keep going about this, but as I said, there's actually something from this video that, like, matters. This, to be specific. When I've talked about permission structures, I've talked about the permission structures for violence that led to, for example, the murder of Charlie Kirk. And what I've said about those permission structures is that they basically create ideologies. These ideologies are bad because they include three components.
Starting point is 00:14:27 One, a conspiratorial view of the universe in which a shadowy cabal of powerful people are responsible for your problems in life and the problems of the world. Two, a belief that your specific group is being targeted and three, a belief that violence is justified in self-defense. That's this entire film. This entire film is that.
Starting point is 00:14:42 Aha! So, Ben is mad at the film because it creates a permission structure, a term I guess he maybe got from Obama that he defines as an ideology that paints another group as being a shadowy cabal of powerful people and claims that those people are targeting and hurting others, and so it's justified to respond to those people with violence.
Starting point is 00:15:03 In this case, he's saying that the movie made immigration officers out to be some kind of powerful group targeting people, which I guess is not what they are? Is that not what they are, Ben? Back in September, they literally used Black Hawk helicopters and drones to raid a Chicago building in an effort to specifically, target people. That is a powerful group targeting people. Is it not? And what's more that raid I just mentioned resulted in zero charges. That is just a thing they did. And they didn't even do it because of their
Starting point is 00:15:39 original claim of alleged gang activity. According to reporting from ProPublica, the raid was done with the help of the landlord to try to get out squatters. But Ben would continue to bring up this permission structure idea even after the murders of Renee Good and Alex Predi. The environment that has been created by the left around ICE doing basic operations, like arresting people and deporting them, for overstaying their visas and being in the country illegally. The language that's been used about ICE, that they are terrorists, and ICE is the Gestapo. This sort of language leads to a permission structure specifically designed to increase
Starting point is 00:16:17 ire at ICE agents. Ben, dude, we're just noticing things. I thought it was okay to notice things the way lives of TikTok noticed things. Except people aren't making up fake things that ICE is doing. Ben, are we not supposed to notice it when ICE goes around detaining parents and leaving their kids on the streets to walk alone or worse, detaining children? Ice did that. No one made them do it.
Starting point is 00:16:43 Is that their basic operations, Ben? Seems like that is way more harmful to children than a drag queen's ass, Ben. pretty hard not to notice when an ice agent shoots a woman in the face while filming himself doing that and then calling her a fucking bitch afterward. Or when a gang of masked agents drag a man to the ground, disarm him of a legal firearm, and then shoot him ten times. Ben's entire stance on Minneapolis is that it's the left's fault for riling people up and demonizing ice through this permission structure.
Starting point is 00:17:21 This is how he justifies the overwhelming unpopularity of ICE. How are they riling people up by having the audacity to show them ugly things? War, domestic law enforcement, all of these things, when people see ugly pictures on their TV, they get very, very upset, even though they want the results from the ugly pictures. And well, when those ugly pictures involve American citizens being killed under disputed circumstances at the very best, very checkered circumstances for the deaths of Renee Good and Alex Prattie. When that happens, that allows legacy media actors to treat all of law enforcement as an exercise in brutal tyranny. Ben, do you hear yourself?
Starting point is 00:18:06 How are your brain and mouth coordinating on this? So Ben is saying that being a cop or doing war is an ugly job where a lot of terrible things happen. And when people see those terrible things, they get up. upset, even though they want the results of those things. And so that allows legacy media to challenge the larger system of law enforcement, which Ben thinks is a bad thing to do. First off, I'm pretty sure people didn't want the results of the ugly pictures of an innocent man being shot ten times.
Starting point is 00:18:36 And secondly, isn't that exactly why we would want to at least question the larger system of law enforcement? Ben is acting like the murder of innocent people is an unfortunate. side effect of policing. I mean, what are you gonna do? Boy, people just hate to see how the sausage is made, am I right? Hey, Ben, maybe if that's the case, then we should absolutely question the larger system of law enforcement.
Starting point is 00:19:00 Just in the casual way he's describing it, that alone shows there's a sickness here. Ben, a man was tackled to the ground and beaten and then shot to death. It was murder. We all saw it. And then the government immediately, and without any information,
Starting point is 00:19:17 information labeled the victim a terrorist and hid the murderer's identity and instead reassigned them to other places. Are we not supposed to notice that? Are we supposed to just say well that's cops for you? Because I guess when you notice that ICE is being allowed by the government to hurt and kill people without any consequences to them, you're doing a permission structure that is harmful. If you make a movie with evil immigration officers, that's permission structure. But if you make a movie about guys cheating at sports by pretending to be trans, a thing that was literally impossible for them to do as a documentary, so they change it to a movie
Starting point is 00:19:58 that's a comedy, that's just noticing things. Also just noticing things is if you go on Ben's network, The Daily Wire, and say something like this about drag queens. Now, if those were real men, and what I mean by real men, I mean men, I mean men, not just in the biological sense, but also men who are interested in and capable of fulfilling their duty as men in the culture, then what they would be doing is they'd be grabbing that drag queen
Starting point is 00:20:26 by the collar, if he has a collar, and dragging him out of the room and kicking him out on his ass, out of the room, and then calling the police. That would be the appropriate response of a man. Got it? That's not stochastic terrorism. It's just noticing things. But showing it when an ICE agent drags an old man out of his house
Starting point is 00:20:49 is a permission structure, which is just another way to describe stochastic terrorism. Because unlike those dastardly drag queens, ICE is doing their job. Their really, really ugly job that results in stuff we all want. They wouldn't know unprofessionalism if it shot someone in the face while driving in their car. But anyway, I guess Ben is now very concerned about this permission structure
Starting point is 00:21:15 aka stochastic terrorism, aka when people loudly demonize another group and inspire violence because of that. Maybe he should think about his past doing that. But mostly, he's thinking about Charlie Kirk, because that was the first time it occurred to Ben that this could happen specifically to people he knew or him. Because while all of this is happening, a new name would step into the right-wing pundit spotlight, Nicholas Fwentes.
Starting point is 00:21:44 The more that I dug into the subject, the more I found out, there's a lot of these neocon Jewish types behind the Iraq War. It was the Zionist Jews like Dave Rubin, like Ben Shapiro, like Dennis Prager. It was the guys that were really controlling the media apparatus that seemed to me to be the biggest impediment. The main challenge to that, a big challenge to that, is organized Jewry in America. I don't think Bill Ackman is capable of that. I don't think Shald Naidelson is capable of that. And I don't think that's me saying the Jews, the Jews, the Jews. Hmm.
Starting point is 00:22:18 That guy seems to talk about the Jews a lot, huh? Doesn't seem good. We need to do a break or else we'll be punished, so we're gonna do a break so that doesn't happen to me. And after that break, we're gonna find out what happens when this permission structure game starts happening to Ben himself and whether or not Ben will learn any kind of lesson from it. Spoilers, you know the answer.
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Starting point is 00:26:58 We were talking about Ben. Hi, Ben, nice suit? Very authentic. We're also discussing how after Charlie Kirk's death, we started seeing a lot of talk around this. Nick Fuentes guy, who got signal boosted by a one Tuckster Karlsbom when he appeared on his show. Tucko gave Fuentes a lot of visibility, despite him being, well, a fucking Nazi. Or if you'd rather, an anti-Semite and racist and fascist. That's what he is. He has denied the Holocaust and praised Hitler. Here he is on Pierce Morgan doing that. Hitler was a penophile and kind of a pagan. It's like, well, he was also really fucking cool. So, you know, time to grow up. We're not, we're not children anymore. Am I right? Am I right? Am I right, boys? Am I right? Let's go. He was also really fucking cool.
Starting point is 00:27:54 Do you regret saying that? Saying a fact? No, no, that's absolutely true. You think Hitler was very fucking cool? Yes, I do. Right. A Nazi. He's also a dweeb. Nick Fuentes is a weiner dweeb. He has premature ejaculator face, which is probably why he fits in with this little right-wing Nazi uprising we've been seeing. Here he is at the club, dancing to Kanye's Nazi song, with the likes of Andrew Tate and, um, a guy who calls himself Sneiko. Dancing is a strong word, but you get it.
Starting point is 00:28:34 We're probably never going to do a video just about Fuentes because he isn't really complicated or interesting. He's just kind of this wormy little Nazi dweeb who thinks he's the living embodiment of that troll meme or something. Or for the more academic types, he is that sartre quote about how Nazis believe in nothing and love to lie. Oh, he did hang out with Trump, the president of the United States. So that should concern literally everyone in the world. Anyway, so Nick the Nazi is clearly exploiting a specific tendency that right-wing media freaks have had for a while, which is the idea that freedom of speech and the marketplace of ideas means that you are obligated to host racists and white nationalists. Or, to be clear, that's the excuse they make to signal boost people they actually agree with, such as Tucker Tucker Tuckerson having Fuentes on his show.
Starting point is 00:29:26 And what's making him especially prevalent at the moment is that he's managed to take an actual injustice happening right now, aka the genocide in Gaza, and use that to further push anti-Semitic ideas. There's like a natural affinity that Jews have for Israel, and I would say on top of that for the international Jewish community. They're extremely organized, and many of them are critical of Israel, or Israel's current government or the project of Israel. But I guess what they have in common, unlike, let's say like Singapore, for example, is that they have this international community,
Starting point is 00:30:03 across borders, extremely organized, that is putting the interests of themselves before the interests of their home country. Hey, that sure sounds like the permission structure thing Ben talked about or the stochastic terrorism thing Ben denies happens. Israel is absolutely conducting a genocide partially facilitated by the United States that we have talked about here on the show.
Starting point is 00:30:26 But Nick is very clearly using that fact to tie every Jewish person on the planet to the actions of a single country, implying a secret cabal behind everyone's problems. And he's not the only one in the right wing starting to do this. Here's somebody at a Turning Point USA event
Starting point is 00:30:44 asking you that weird vice president guy why we should be sending money to Israel. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. I'm a Christian man and I'm just confused why that there's this notion that we might have owe Israel something or that there are, greatest ally or that we have to support this multi-hundred billion dollar foreign aid package
Starting point is 00:31:09 to Israel to cover this, to quote Charlie Kirk, ethnic cleansing in Gaza. I'm just confused why this idea has come around, considering the fact that not only does their religion not agree with ours, but also openly supports the prosecution of ours. Yeah, so... So that's a pickle, because as you see in that clip, he's asking about the legitimate problem of the United States funding Israel's genocide while also garnishing that question with some anti-Semitism by implying that the Jewish religion is at war with Christians and wants to destroy them.
Starting point is 00:31:51 Again, permission structure stuff, as Ben would call it. And Ben, who is Jewish, is perhaps struggling to navigate this situation on account of him also being a supporter of Israel. There is a rise of casual anti-Semitism on the right, is my point here. For example, when that ICE agent shot a woman in the face and called her a fucking bitch, some complete asshole made that murderer a give-send-go fundraiser page, where on that page, they just casually noted that the mayor of Minneapolis is Jewish. Mind you, this Nazi shit is not new.
Starting point is 00:32:28 I don't know if you recall, but Steve Bannon reportedly once said that he didn't want his daughter to go to school with Jews It's always been there Dare I say fascists and Nazis tend to start as right-wingers But now we have a flagrant neo-Nazi being invited on Tucker the Tuck Carl Tuck's Tuckcast show in order to talk A lot about the Jews and Ben Shapiro noticed this he is noticing that his right-wing colleagues people he has worked with are suddenly getting very chummy with the anti-Semite. But not just any anti-Semite, an anti-Semite who was very vocally against Ben's work buddy, Charlie Kirk.
Starting point is 00:33:12 And it just goes to show, by the way, Charlie Kirk, who a week ago said, I'm doing a focus group, I'm open to a contrary opinion on Israel and Palestine. He's now doing damage control on their behalf. And one has to wonder, is he being paid by Israel? Without a doubt, the answer is yes. Charlie Kirk saying, oh, I'll hear you out in Israel, but I'll basically do propaganda on their behalf. It's not good enough.
Starting point is 00:33:39 You got to go, dude. You got to go. Well, Nick, he went, notably after Kirk went. Nick immediately went somber mode. Very, this is not who we are. Because he's a little Nazi weasel who wanted to ride that faux credibility. and faux decency into the mainstream,
Starting point is 00:33:58 and I guess it kind of worked. So in the weeks and months after Charlie Kirk's murder, a lot of very stupid stuff happened. We covered some of that. But one of those stupid things that happened was that Candace Owens, propagandist and former Daily Wire star, began to, let's call it, speculate about Kirk's death.
Starting point is 00:34:20 And whether or not he was killed by either, like, Israel or maybe turning point, USA, to say itself or even his wife. Kind of weird shit, but not surprising shit, coming from someone whose entire career was shit. It should also be noted that Owens was fired from the daily wire because she started saying some stuff about the Jews, but more specifically, when she started criticizing Israel.
Starting point is 00:34:46 Ben didn't seem to care much when she defended Hitler that one time. Boy, Ben, maybe you should think about that a little bit harder, that you hired people like this for your show and your network. What does that say about your business? Anyway, this is all sort of a prelude to what Ben is going to do. I think Ben sees Charlie Kirk is having more or less the same ideology as him. And both he and Kirk were attacked by this Nazi before Kirk died. And then that Nazi started getting attention from Ben's colleagues.
Starting point is 00:35:19 You see how that would concern him. But before I get to Ben's response to all of his, of this, unfortunately, I need to tell you about Ben's new book, Lions and Scavengers, the true story of America and her critics. You may have noticed it on Ben's desk in some of those clips from earlier. Now, I know what you're thinking, okay? Lions are a specific animal, but scavenger is a category of animal that describes a behavior. Why didn't he pick a specific scavenger and call it lions and that animal. But whatever, that brings me to what else you might be thinking. Aren't lions scavengers? The answer is, yes, they are. Ben is very stupid. To quote the
Starting point is 00:36:10 introduction of the book, the scavengers lurk in the shadows. They gather in the darkness, and then they attack. One by one, they kill off the lions. And, um, no, they don't, Ben. It's right there in the name. Scavengers. They scavenge. Bad analogy, Ben, that you based your entire book off of. Anyway, you're probably wondering what he's trying to say with all of this.
Starting point is 00:36:39 So here. I think that there can be lines and scavengers, you know, within the human heart, meaning that one of the things I say in the book is that every single person can decide in the morning to wake up and be a proactive part of their own life. make good decisions, not root themselves in envy, root themselves in a belief that they can actually do a dutiful and useful thing in the world. That's the lion mentality.
Starting point is 00:36:58 Or you can be a scavenger waking up in the morning, looking at your problems, blaming shadowy forces in society for it, and then trying to rip down those institutions. Okay, the lions to aren't scavengers, are people, or I guess the part of your heart that wants to do a useful thing in the world. And the scavengers, which lions are,
Starting point is 00:37:18 are people, or people. part of your heart who blame shadowy forces for their problems and try to take down the institutions they've demonized. Got it. Makes zero sense in relation to lions and scavengers. But okay, I don't want to spend all day on that point. But like, very confusing, Ben. That's like if I made a book called Dingoes and Dogs and then said in an interview that Dingoes are
Starting point is 00:37:43 people who eat black licorice and dogs are people who don't. He just made up new definitions for those words. But moving on in this same interview, he talks about another new phrase, the woke right. And my God, I guess let's just watch another clip. People on what is called the woke right by some now that like to blame everything on, you know, the military industrial complex or global jury, this kind of thing.
Starting point is 00:38:15 These are people that have a fundamentally grievance-based relationship to Western society. It's just that the enemies are different than the enemies. That's exactly right. I mean, on the right, it manifests as a lot of conspiracy theorizing. One of the things I talk about, it manifests everywhere is a sort of conspiracy theory. And I would say the post-God ideology is that things happen randomly, bad things happen to good people. You can't control any of that. And then that is then projected into a conspiratorial idea that there must be forces beyond your reckoning who are out to get you. And you can see that in both right and left. The biblical worldview is actually quite harsh. It basically says that if
Starting point is 00:38:49 fail is probably your fault. There's a God-centered, ordered universe. If you do the right things, good things will likely happen. If you do the wrong things, bad things will likely happen, right? It's the entire book of Deuteronomy. And so the movement away from kind of personal responsibility and duty that results in this very conspiratorial view of society in which, again, shadowy forces are out there and they're manipulating you. Goodness. Okay. So Ben is saying that in a post-religion and post-personal responsibility world, there are people on the right and the left who now blame all their problems on this larger shadowy force. And those are the scavengers like lions. The people pushing the permission structure that he thinks was in that movie.
Starting point is 00:39:31 Blaming the system, which I guess you can't ever do. He clarifies later that you don't have to be religious to be a lion, which are scavengers. But hilariously, he also says you have to subscribe to Western culture because Ben is raised. He also, very hilariously, says the left is more about grievance politics than the right is. But whatever. I'm not going to get distracted. We can spend nine minutes on every single word he says, it's fine. Okay. The point is that this is Ben's most recent charge, the conspiracy theorists on the right and the left who blame all the problems on a larger system. He tries to horseshoe theory this and say that those are somehow equal. But of course, I'd argue that there's a difference between pointing out systemic racism with policing in America and say, claiming that the Jews run the world.
Starting point is 00:40:26 Ben is lumping all of this together because being woke is now any time you talk about race. Be that pointing out racism or, I guess, being racist. You might be seeing this term woke right these days everywhere, often referring to literal Nazis. because it's actually a meaningless and insidious term being implemented to equate the left or wokeness with racism and Nazis. The idea is that recognizing and responding to racism and the effects of systemic racism is a mere image of the racists. It's absurd, but hey, so is everything we've been talking about so far. So try not to think about this too hard because it hurts. It's like if, to borrow Ben's lingo, someone led a lion, a scavenger, into a daycare.
Starting point is 00:41:17 And people were shouting, hey, we should be aware of that lion. And other people were like, actually, I think the lion is good. And Ben is like, both of you are the same because you're both saying the word lion. He would say it faster and more high-pitched, but you get the idea is very stupid. So all of this, the Charlie Kirk conspiracy stuff, Nick Fuentes, Ben going off on scavengers like lions and lions who again are scavengers. It all led to the Turning Point America Fest conference back in December. Specifically it led to Ben Shapiro giving a speech in front of basically the entire right-wing movement and Ben sure did have some
Starting point is 00:41:59 stuff to say to them. Well because today the conservative movement is in serious danger it is in danger not just from a left that all too frequently excuses everything up to and including murder. The conservative movement is also in danger from charlatans who claim to speak in the name of principle, but actually traffic in conspiracism and dishonesty, who offer nothing but bile and despair, who seek to undermine fundamental principles of conservatism by championing enervation and grievance. These people are frauds, and they are grifters and they do not deserve your time. Grifters, you say, geez, Ben, whatever do you mean? So yeah, I think I might be having a heart attack or an orgasm, I'm not sure which.
Starting point is 00:42:43 It's hard to even know what to say about that clip alone. It's like seeing the Earth from space, you know? Should have sent a poet. Ben Shapiro is concerned about right-wing grifters in 2026. This speech is 20 minutes long and almost exclusively this. Ben even blasts Candace Owens by name. If Candace Owens decides to spend every day since days since the murder of Charlie Kirk, casting aspersions at T.P.USA. And the people who work here,
Starting point is 00:43:16 who worked with Charlie every single day, his best friends, to cast aspersions at Mikey McCoy, and Andrew Colvin, and Blake Neff, and Tyler Boyer, and yes, at Erica Kirk. And to imply or outright claim complicity in a cover-up over Charlie's murder, to spew absolutely baseless crash, implicating everyone from French intelligence to Mossad to members of TPP USA in Charlie's murder or a cover-up in that murder, then we as people with a microphone have a moral obligation to call that out by name. Man, look at him go, waving his fist around like people do. He doesn't stop there.
Starting point is 00:43:54 Ben, very correctly and passionately, also uses this time to call out Megan Kelly, Tucko, and even Steve Bannon. So no, Tucker Carlson, it is not an excuse to go silent on Candace's targeting of TPUSA. Or to mirror her bullshit lines of questioning because you love Candace personally. The same holds true of Megan Kelly, a person I consider a friend, characterizing Candace as a young mother and thus shying away from condemning her actions or feeling me about them. Steve Bannon, for example, accuses his foreign policy opponents of loyalty to a foreign country. He's not actually making an argument-based in evidence.
Starting point is 00:44:37 He's simply maligning people that he disagrees with, which is indeed par for the course from a man who was once a PR flack for Jeffrey Epstein. Check the record. Oh shit! He stined his ass. But of course, the dude Ben really let have it. Again, very correctly and accurately, was old Nazi Nick. If you host a Hitler apologist, Nazi-loving, anti-American piece of refuse like Nick Flentes,
Starting point is 00:45:11 you know, the Nick Flentes who said that the vice president of the United States is a, quote, fat gay race trader married to Ajit. The person who said that Charlie Kirk was a, quote, r-a-a-diet. The person who said, and pardon my language here, it's his quote, that he, quote,
Starting point is 00:45:27 took Turning Point USA and fucked it, and that's why it's filled with Gryper's. If you have that person on your show and you proceed to glaze him, you ought to own it. My goodness, he said the F word. Ben, he didn't even say the P word that one time. Well, he said the P word.
Starting point is 00:45:44 He didn't say pussy, but, you know, he must be so mad. So you might be thinking here that Ben, perhaps after 10, taking mushrooms for the first time, had a really exciting and public change of heart. Like the ending of a Sorkin movie about a right-wing grifter
Starting point is 00:45:59 realizing the error of his ways. But this isn't the only thing he said during the speech. We are not going to hand it to Ben, because this is Ben Shapiro in a room filled with his colleagues, calling them out as grifters and liars and racist conspiracy peddlers. But only when it comes to the one thing that matters to him, anti-Semitism.
Starting point is 00:46:21 As for the other grifting and racism and lying and conspiracy peddling, well... We have an obligation to clarity and to honesty. This means that we actually have to be clear in the language that we use. We should not traffic in generality. We should not say things like they shot Charlie without specifying whom we mean by they. The person who allegedly shot Charlie Kirk and whom all the evidence points at, all of it, is a gay, trans-loving furry. If we are going to target ideological movements, we should talk about the fact that the radical trans movement
Starting point is 00:47:04 treats all those who oppose it as existential threats. Ah, shucks. See, folks, you need to stop saying the Jews killed Charlie Kirk, because that's racist and grifter behavior. And you need to start saying, the trans killed Charlie Kirk. That's actually what Ben is saying. Hey, guys, if we're gonna target ideological movements, we need it to be the one I personally don't like.
Starting point is 00:47:26 Thank you. That's it. His entire impassioned speech is constantly marred by the fact that Ben still subscribes to like 90% of what his fellow grifters are lying about. He's just mad about this one lie. The result, ultimately, is watching someone spend 20 minutes having to weave through so many logical traffic cones that I'm surprised his ears didn't start bleeding.
Starting point is 00:47:50 So, for example, if many speakers, including Tucker Carlson and others, get on stage here at TPUSA, and claim, without proper evidence, that Jeffrey Epstein was running. a Mossad rape ring being covered up by the Trump administration, they are not actually uncovering a conspiracy or effectuating a solution. You can't just go around saying that Trump covered up an Epstein rape ring, but you can say that Steve Bannon did PR for Epstein. Hey, have Stephen Bannon and Trump ever met? I forget. But I agree, Ben, baseless conspiracy theories are bad. Ben hates them, unless he likes them.
Starting point is 00:48:26 None of this means there aren't actual real conspiracies in the world. Of course there are. But actual conspiracies require actual evidence. Yes, there was a Russiagate conspiracy, and we know the names of the people involved in what they did. We know Hillary Clinton and Fusion GPS and James G.S. And James Comey and Loretta Lynch and Adam Schiff. We know all of those people. Yes, there was a COVID-19 conspiracy.
Starting point is 00:48:47 We know that Anthony Fauci worked to shut down alternative solutions from people like Jay Batacharya. Got it! You right-wingers need to stop with your baseless conspiracies. your racism, demonizing broad groups of people, your scavenger behavior of creating shadowy groups responsible for all of life's problems, unless it's the ones that Ben previously agreed on doing. Because one person Ben stays far away from in this speech
Starting point is 00:49:12 is, of course, Trump, or really any reflection besides his ire at this specific right-wing rhetoric that is now targeting him suddenly, out of seemingly nowhere. What we see on, that stage is a man coming so very close to breaking through to reality. He's just skimming the surface. If he stuck out his tongue, he would taste it. But his own biases and indoctrination have completely prevented him from taking that final step. Because, if you recall, Ben Shapiro
Starting point is 00:49:45 considers any discussion about larger systemic oppression as being scavenger behavior. But perhaps, had he been told about such things growing up, he might be more equipped to understand what's happening to his party. Like, maybe that message in one battle after another about how immigration officers are part of a larger system of fascism and oppression might be worth thinking about considering that one of the groups of people who were once the target of anti-immigration fervor
Starting point is 00:50:13 in America were the Jews. Perhaps Ben should have been told about how so many leftist movements have been called Jewish conspiracies, including the new wave of his buddies going off on cultural Marx, and pointing fingers at George Soros. But to look into these larger patterns would be, unfortunately, scavenger stuff, I guess.
Starting point is 00:50:36 The normal kind of response to this nonsense is to say, well, America seems like pretty awesome. You have all these grievances against America, but, I mean, let's face it, America kind of kicks ass. I mean, we defeated the Nazis, we defeated the Soviets without firing a direct shot. We have created the single most prosperous era in the history of humanity
Starting point is 00:50:53 with the broadest spread of wealth in the history of humanity. Like, we're kind of great. And so the answer to that from both sides is, no, no, no, you're totally misapprehending history. Yeah, important detail is that Ben seems to have decided that part of this scavenger behavior is that it's bad to go back and rethink history, to be at all curious or cynical about past events.
Starting point is 00:51:13 Because America's pretty great. No need to look back at mistakes we may have made along the way. Thank goodness, our current president wants to erase all of it, actually. So, Ben can only go so far in this speech. He does not meet the moment, I'm afraid. Sorry, Sorkin. And after he said all of this, all those people he insulted just gave their own shitty rebuttals,
Starting point is 00:51:38 often at the same event. And the Israel first crowd is Ben Shapiro, Tel Aviv Mark Levine, and many others that want to put that ahead of America's interests. And truly, Ben Shapiro, fuck you. and the midget horse that you wrote in on. And I say that on behalf of the world. Well, I found it kind of funny
Starting point is 00:52:00 that Ben thinks he has the power to decide who gets excommunicated from the conservative movement. They were at the same conference. Candace specifically was not in attendance, but others he complained about were. Ben stood up and talked about all the liars and grifters at an event that also featured those same liars and grifters who just went up after him and said,
Starting point is 00:52:20 oh no, actually, you're the one who fucking sucks. Ben, what does this say about you? Hey, everyone, I just want to say that these grifters are bad, and I'm definitely not one of them anyway. Give it up for the next speaker, that grifter. I'm begging you, Ben. Self-reflect. Just try it once, but if you won't, heck, we'll do it for you.
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Starting point is 00:57:25 to ponder if he, Ben, has perhaps done to other groups what he is now realizing is happening to the Jewish community. And because he has failed, it basically means that his entire speech was useless and changed nothing. It's like farting in a jar and then burying the jar. Waste of a fart. Because at the same time he's saying stuff like this,
Starting point is 00:57:49 that Nazi, Nick Fuentes, can simply say this. this. If I went live on my show on Monday, this coming Monday, and I said, fuck Islam, I said, these Muslims need to go home, fuck them. They're barbarians. Their third world as they like to live an open sewage and bomb crap. You think any conservative would disavow me, any of them, any Republican. You think if I was known for saying that, do you think I would have any trouble getting into CPAC or the New York Young Republican Club Gala or the GOP? Of course not, because Laura Lumer has access to the White House, and she says stuff like that. Ben Shapiro has access to Trump, and he says stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:58:31 Wow. He's correct. He's a Nazi. He has the voice of a 90s stand-up comedian, and he's a Nazi twerp, and he doesn't actually care about what he's saying. He's a liar. He doesn't care about any of this stuff. But what he's saying there isn't wrong, right?
Starting point is 00:58:44 The garbage Nazi has dunked on Ben because Ben Shapiro has a long history of being extremely racist while simultaneously being accepted into mainstream conservatism. This includes, but isn't limited to, Ben having a rich history of blaming black people for all their problems. How can you argue that racism is not a driving factor in income inequality? Because it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with culture. And when you have a culture that doesn't... And when...
Starting point is 00:59:16 You know what? Explain to me. You explain to me why black kids aren't graduating high school. Explain that one to me. Explain to me why black kids are shooting each other in rates significantly higher than whites are shooting each other. Explain me why 13% of the population is responsible for 50% of the murder. Explain to me why the number of black kids in prison, not for innocent reasons, not
Starting point is 00:59:36 for walking down the street and getting pulled into a prison, is so high. Explain it has nothing to do with culture, explain to me why the single motherhood rate in the black community jumped from 20% to 70% in the same course of time that the civil rights movement has made such tremendous strides. Is America more racist now than it was in 1960? And if it is, please explain to me how that happened. Ben, that can be explained to you. We've done it several times on this show.
Starting point is 01:00:01 You just don't want to listen to those explanations because you've decided that it's scavenger behavior to talk about or point to larger systemic problems. You, absolutely, racist guy. Like in that Fuentes clip, he's basically quoting an actual thing Ben Shapiro has said in a tweet that he hasn't deleted. Ben Shapiro has literally said, Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage, and never apologize for it or retracted it,
Starting point is 01:00:28 and certainly isn't reflecting on that now. He did, very humbly, included on this 2018 listicle of dumb stuff he's done and said, a list he promised to keep updating. Except he listed it under stuff the left is taking out of context, with the excuse that he was clearly talking about, Israeli and Arab leadership, which, no, no, you weren't, Ben. You didn't say Arab leadership. And also, why would their leadership live in open sewage? It's a lie is my point. Imagine if
Starting point is 01:01:03 somebody said, Jews like to bomb crap. Would he accept that the speaker actually meant Jewish leadership of the state of Israel specifically? Probably not. He's a liar. It's a lie, is the Also, that listicle was never updated because of course it wasn't. Anyway, here he is last year at CPAC and Budapest still demonizing Muslims. Sure, we can look at the radical Islamists who have invaded Europe, who support terrorism, who use Western governments to impose effective fatwas against Westerners who speak out against them. People who target Jews and Christians who openly chant for the downfall of the civilization that they leach upon.
Starting point is 01:01:44 Hey, Ben, that's a little dog doodle, Katie Drew. Hey Ben, that's really racist, man. You just said that this large and diverse group of people are actually all radical, not in the Ninja Turtle way, which also Katie Drew, and invading Europe and leaching upon people. Oh, hey, Ben, is that not the permission structure you were talking about?
Starting point is 01:02:08 He thinks he's being very decent and clever by claiming he's only talking about radical, Islamists, not all Muslims. But it's pretty easy to imagine how he would react to anyone talking about the violence perpetrated by radical Jews. Ben here is blaming a shadowy group of people for being the cause of everyone's problems in order to imply that violence is justified against them? You scavenger, you?
Starting point is 01:02:34 I know we've talked about this several times, but in 2014, Ben made a video called The Myth of the Tiny Radical Muslim. minority, in which he flat out lied about the statistics around radical Muslims in every country, and lied, I should say, in a very deliberate way that was specifically meant to make people afraid. Here is just the first country he names. Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim country. It's got almost 205 million Muslims living there. According to one 2009 poll, it showed almost 50% of Indonesians actually support strict real law, not just in Indonesia, but in a lot of countries and 70% blamed the United States Israel or somebody else for 9-11. So you make that calculation. It's about 143 million people who are radicalized. You scared yet?
Starting point is 01:03:22 We're just getting started. So as PolitiFact would note, Ben's calculation there is based on the 70% who blame the United States, Israel, or someone else for 9-11. First of all, who's the someone else, Ben? What part of that 70% says what and what parts of Sharia law do they support? He's doing extremely bad math, taking the results of different polls and surveys, misinterpreting them, and then taking the highest numbers and applying them to entire populations. That's on top of labeling radical Muslims as anyone who believes in some form of Sharia law. Or who blame, as the poll actually said, someone other than al-Qaeda for 9-11, if that number is higher. It's everything he was mad about in his speech.
Starting point is 01:04:10 A liar deliberately using lies to demonize a huge group of people and say that those people are coming to get you. Now, I mentioned that was in 2014. And I want to note that the clip we showed is actually from Ben reposting the video on his page in 2020. So he's still proud of it. Guess that didn't make the article. Shucks. A few years after that original video was posted, a Ben Shapiro fan would go to a mosque and kill six people. In just the month leading to this shooting, that murderer would have checked Ben's
Starting point is 01:04:45 Twitter account 93 times. And when asked his motivation for killing those people in that mosque, the shooter would say that he felt that he was actually saving lives because Muslim people are terrorists. The attacks terrorist, you know, maybe with my actions, before to me, you know, to me, you know, to do you,
Starting point is 01:05:14 before doing to do to do, to do, you know, or even in the wood, you know, I mean, I said,
Starting point is 01:05:25 y'er, on the, that, perhaps, that I did, what I've done, There will be a 100 people, you know, who will be so. Yeah, maybe 200,
Starting point is 01:05:39 maybe 300 person also. I don't know. I know. I know. It's always I said. Hey, Ben, permission structure much. Again, we've talked about this specific moment a few times now. But you can kind of see why, and why Ben doesn't.
Starting point is 01:05:58 Ben would go on to deny any responsibility for a person. helping to inspire this shooter who was specifically a fan of his about specifically that issue. His defense being that the shooter had seen many tweets from other people too. He'd also seen tweets from people like Brett Bear. He's seen tweets from you. He's seen tweets from a bunch of different people. But it was, I guess my account was the one that he had viewed the most. Now, I have 1.4 million Twitter followers.
Starting point is 01:06:24 So I guess the idea from the left is that if somebody views enough of my tweets, they're inevitably going to become a terrorist. Ben, you're almost getting it again. The same way you spoke about grifters at an event filled with grifters, this racist killer put you at the top of a list of people that included your colleagues. Perhaps that means that something is very rotten with not just you, but the people you call colleagues,
Starting point is 01:06:50 and by extension, the stuff you believe and say and are in service of. I've already talked about this for too long, at least considering we've talked about this exact same series of events in the past. But this is one of many moments in Ben's life that got him to exactly the situation he's now worried about. It's like if someone was sitting on a parade float, smiling and waving, but also screaming, Oh my God, how did I get on this parade float? Probably because you stepped on it, buddy. Ben's entire career has been spent demonizing Muslims and gay people and trans people all through lying and broadly generalizing.
Starting point is 01:07:29 And it never occurred to him that this could. could backfire on him, a member of a group famously the target of racism and violence. He thought he could buddy with all the racists and bigots without somehow attracting Nazis and fascists, or rather more Nazis and fascists. Without wondering what it says about the larger political party he subscribes to, even as that party elected a man that Ben himself once identified as a grifter and a scumbag and a liar. So, is Trump a big winner? Or is he a spoiled brat who grew up in the lap of luxury,
Starting point is 01:08:07 had his daddy sign his checks, and then bragged about how he is a huge winner. Trump's three biggest crowds are evangelicals, conservatives, and he's a winner voters. Trump is lying to all of them. Stop buying the lies. That video is amazing, because Ben goes through everything we've said on this show, how Trump acts like he's into God and family and is a good businessman, when he actually is a rapist who,
Starting point is 01:08:31 treats women like shit and believes in nothing and is a con man failure. Ben knew the same way everyone knew. Ben, who is now talking about how all the grifters around him are bad, saw the biggest grifter become the president and leader of his party. And Ben actually didn't vote for Trump that first time. But then, well, you know, Ben watched as Trump took over his party, and instead of pushing back, I did not vote for Donald Trump. in 2016. I am voting for Donald Trump in 2020. There are three reasons. I'm going to vote for Donald Trump in 2020 when I didn't four years ago. First, I was simply wrong about Donald Trump on policy. Second, I wasn't really wrong about Donald Trump on character, but whatever damage
Starting point is 01:09:16 he was going to do has already been done, and it's not going to help if I don't vote for him this time. And third, most importantly, the Democrats have lost their f***ing minds. I want to break those reasons down. One, he was wrong on Trump's policies, aka Trump is actually hurting the people he wanted Trump to hurt. Should be noted that in his anti-Trump video, Ben complains that Trump will be too soft on immigration. Hey, good news, Ben! So he's happy that Trump is doing all the bad stuff to immigrants,
Starting point is 01:09:44 which explains why he needs to defend ICE so much, even when ICE is clearly spiraling out of control. His second point is that whatever damage Trump did has already been done. he is reiterating this point to billiard Mar. And I actually believe a lot of the damage that he has done to the country in terms of social fabric has already occurred. In other words, he already wrecked the country and the social fabric so surely he can't
Starting point is 01:10:13 wreck it again or even more. You know how when you destroy something, you can't destroy it more? And his third reason is, you know, spite. Who's the grievance party again, Ben? He hates the Democrats, you see. He hates them enough to say anti-Semitic things about how all the bad Jews are Democrats. Ben, seems like in your anger and feelings and inability to work with Democrats, you helped open the door for all these Nazis to come in.
Starting point is 01:10:45 The same way you clearly like that ICE is hurting the people you wanted them to hurt, even if that means ICE is growing into this big, uncontrollable monster of an agency. Ben, what happens if they ever decide that you are their target? You know, the same way some of the people on the right are now targeting you? It's almost like you keep making the same mistake over and over again. And Ben could have figured this out. But unfortunately, he has decided that only scavengers reflect on history or think about systemic oppression. Because it turns out that there are historians who could have warned him about this.
Starting point is 01:11:25 Most of them actually, but specifically in his story in Robert Paxton's book, The Anatomy of Fascism, he identifies the political conditions that lead to fascists taking power, which he describes as, quote, a deadlock of constitutional government produced in part by political polarization that fascists helped abet, a militant left growing rapidly and threatening to be the chief beneficiary of the crisis, and conservative leaders who refused to work with even the reformist elements, of the left and who felt threatened in their capacity to continue to govern against the left without fresh reinforcements. Ben, it's you. You're the conservative who refuses to work with any aspect of the left and would rather turn it over to the fascists instead.
Starting point is 01:12:13 And now you're upset about the fascists creeping in and amazingly, tragically, you still can't even see it. You're just mad at a few You people being anti-Semitic. You don't care about the masked police dragging people out of their homes or killing people in the streets, or the president mulling over invading another country, or taking over elections, or any of that. Because you still don't actually understand. You're watching this slide into fascism and still not actually watching it.
Starting point is 01:12:50 And you won't, it seems, until it's too late. You are still trying to suck up to and profit off of the racists and Nazis who will continue to turn on you. It's like, I don't know, if there was an ultra-Christian group of losers with a dumb name, maybe, and you are some guy trying to get into this club without realizing that you'll never be pure enough for them, and you won't realize that right until the very end. Stephen Lockjaw is trying to join a white nationalist group, a white Christian Nationalist group called the Christmas Adventurers Club. I know, this is so stupid. The whole thing, so
Starting point is 01:13:28 it's such a stupid movie. Do you get it yet, Ben? Do you get it? At least do you get the plot of one battle after another? You know that poem, Ben? First they came for the blank and I did not speak out. Interestingly, the poem actually starts with first they came for the communists, which Ben of course loves and maybe thinks that's the end of the poem, but is not. The poem, the poem, the and atrocities and targets continue. Because hey, Ben, that's you. You are the guy in that poem. Except instead of I did not speak out,
Starting point is 01:14:05 it's I encouraged and participated in it for the sake of maintaining and growing my YouTube channel. And what's more, and really important to note, Ben is just one example of a long line of right-wing pundits who slowly became obsolete as their party moved more and more toward fascism. I don't know if you've noticed, But these guys don't really have a lasting legacy, do they?
Starting point is 01:14:27 Do people talk about the philosophies of Bill O'Reilly or Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck or, dare I say, Charlie Kirk anymore? They serve their purpose, make lots of money, and then most often they vanish or pass away without having left any lasting impact on society. Besides being a method for right-wing extremists to slowly launder their ideas into the mainstream and give other grifters and media freaks the space and to the space and permission to continue the project. Like, Bill O'Reilly's legacy is just Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson's legacy will just be the next Tucker Carlson. That's there and Ben's entire purpose. Ben's talent was always that he could spin right-wing talking points into this fake logic guy, cool kids philosopher, faux-civil, faux intellectualism act. Facts don't care about your feelings and so on. In reality, he was a bridge from elitist Reagan-era conservatism to full-on fascism, a way to make racist ideas sound academic.
Starting point is 01:15:31 But the thing about fascists is that they're liars and freaks who don't need people to justify them. They're finally in power, so they don't need Ben to sweatily rationalize the murder of a protester because they can just declare that protester a terrorist and move on. And so Ben is useless to them. now. This is Ben Shapiro's legacy, and he doesn't even know it. He'll never know it. He'll never see it even if he watched this video. It bums me out honestly because it means that I get no satisfaction from getting to say, I told you so, Ben. Nah, nah, nah, nah. The only real purpose here, besides me gloating, is the broader moral in seeing this pattern. We've seen the life cycle of these grifters a few times now, and it always ends with the them either pushing themselves further to the right or being forgotten. To his, let's say, credit, Ben Shapiro clearly has some lines that he draws. So we kind of know what's gonna happen.
Starting point is 01:16:36 And maybe we just need to keep looking for the next person in this cycle and perhaps just get ahead of the situation and ignore them from the start or sit them down privately and quietly say, oh, sweet baby, you don't want any part of this. Ben started his police, political punditry career at 17. That should be illegal. Stop listening to these Grifters, because if you don't, the next Fox News host will be Nick Fuentes, at least until he lands a job
Starting point is 01:17:04 at the fucking FBI as the deputy director of the FBI, or I don't know, the health guy, the lead war man, whatever. So yeah, Ben, the most wrong person ever was finally right in his little speech. He just didn't know that he was also talking about himself. I hope that helps Ben. I wish you well when you inevitably realize something might be a little off about your other racist, fascist dickhead employees. But hey, as long as they keep attacking trans people, I'm sure it's all gravy. God, you suck. You're so stupid. Anyway,
Starting point is 01:17:42 sorry you had to hear all this from me. I'll see you at band practice. And this has been the last video we do about Ben Shapiro. Until the next one. Because I mean, come on, come on, the Penn Dragon cycle? Come on, I am watching that. But it was the hoax from the Democrat Council on the Kings, whatever. It's gonna be so bad. Hey folks, thank you so much for walking. Breaking news, fact check time that Ninja Turtle's drawing.
Starting point is 01:18:28 He didn't do that. Our director Will did. He's sitting right there. Say hi, Will. Hi, Will. Calabunga. I'm so sorry. I didn't want to misrepresent the... But the dog is good too.
Starting point is 01:18:41 Katie did do the dog. Say hi, Katie. Hi, Katie. Calabunga. This is me doing a Wilson, but you can see my full face. No, your Kilroy. And Kilroy is here. Because Cody was hit.
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