Some More News - Some More News: Jimmy Kimmel Cancel Cultured

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

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My name's Katie Stoll. It's true. It's true. Don't look it up. But trust us. Hi, I'm Cody. And that's my first name. That is. Never look it up. Always trust us. Cody's first name. The end. Not the end. Boy, we've got a great guest, folks. A returning guest, a former journalist who is now running for Congress in Illinois's 9th District. Very excited to welcome back. Kat Abu Ghazale. Cat, cat, cat, cat. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited. I'm sorry my name is all over stuff behind me. it's really uncomfortable for me too. I love it. I think it's great. This is solid branding, honestly.

Thank you. Appreciate it. Still not used to it, though? No. We had a roll of stickers, and my campaign manager was like, there are at least 20,000 things in this office with your name on it.

And I was like, I want to die a little bit. Yeah, that's the unfortunate side of doing what you're doing, which is you need to self-promote. Yep. Let's talk about news. Let's talk about news. Uh, let's start off by talking about Jimmy Kimmel. So ABC owned by Disney is suspending Jimmy Kimmel live indefinitely after the hosts.

I have written here comments about Charlie Kirk, but we'll get into it. They weren't really comments about Charlie Kirk. Anyway, he gave some comments about Charlie Kirk's murder and the MAGA response. Neckstar and Sinclair, which owned ABC affiliate network, said they would preempt Kimmel's show until he apologized. and Sinclair even demanded a meaningful personal donation to the Kirk family and Turning Point USA. And this happened a few hours after FCC chair Brendan Carr went on the Benny Johnson show. And they have a license granted by us at the FCC and that comes with it an obligation to operate in the public interest. And we can get into some ways that we've been trying to reinvigorate the public interest and some changes that we've seen.

But frankly, when you see stuff like this, I mean, look, we can do this the easy way or the hard way. The demand for him to donate to this, like, conservative, like, podcasters political group is so bizarre. But I do think he's got the phrase, because they use the phrasing, a meaningful donation. I think it would be so funny if he donated $2, which has meaning behind it. That is a meaningful donation. They didn't say meaningful in what way. So I think he should donate $2. It's outrageous.

It's outlandish. It is so fucking hypocritical and extremely alarming escalation in we're going to lay out all of this stuff. Just the attacks on the left, the attacks on the media, the capitulation of the media immediately to Donald Trump. Stephen Colbert was fired weeks ago. I know that immediately the rationalization from people desperate for a rationalization are late nights dead. This is an excuse. No, dude, this is just rolling over and showing your goddamn belly. Yeah, and Jonathan brought up like a little bit of like it wasn't really even comments on Charlie Kirk.

It was Kimmel showed a video of Trump talking about Charlie Kirk. We hit some new lows over the weekend with the Maga Gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it. In between the finger pointing, there was. grieving. On Friday, the White House flew the flags at half staff, which got some criticism. But on a human level, you can see how hard the president is taking this.

I condolences on the loss of your friend, Charlie Kirk. May I ask, sir, personally, how are you holding up over the last day and a half, sir? I think very good. And by the way, right there, you see all the trucks? They've just started construction of the new ballroom for the White House, which is something they've been trying to get,

as you know, for about 150 years. And it's going to be a beauty. Yes. He's at the fourth stage of grief. Construction. Demolition. Construction. This is not how an adult grieves the murder of someone he called a friend. This is how a four-year-old mourns a goldfish, okay? The president is mad that someone showed a video of the president talking and was able to have a private organization retaliate against that individual. And I thought, I thought that comedy was legal again. I did too. I really did. That's what I heard.

I got moved for comedy. Thanks, Elon Musk. It's, uh, no, what this really shows is like there's just never, it's never enough. You can't give fascists an inch because they will take a mile. Trump is already calling for like every late night host to be fired except Greg Gutfeld. And he doesn't even know how to tell a joke. He only knows how to rhyme. He knows alliteration too.

He can do alliteration. Oh, he knows illiteration. Thank God. Sorry. I really underestimated him there. I just, I can't, I don't know how many times we have to say that capitulating never saves you. It will never protect you in the end. He will keep going and going and going. And the only thing that stands strong in the phase of authoritarianism is solidarity. Don't cave. All these laws are things we make up. Laws are things that we create and change. So are like, like we're all supposed to follow the social contract. Trump isn't. You don't need to pretend like his social contract that is just about him is what is. is the reality. And they know this and they admit it. They admit like, yeah, Trump broke the social fabric and we're going to use that to our advantage

all for, you know, weeks, for days and past week, they've been like, yeah, this is our opportunity. We're going to do, we're going to do the thing

we've been saying we want to do and that we're going to do, which is crush all of our political opponents in the left and we're going to, Antifa's a terrorist organization, which definitely has a president, the president of Antifa. Well,

they're going to take down the president of the president of the president of them. I'm embarrassed to admit that today, I was like, I'm just going to double check. I mean, is there any sort of central structure to Antifa? I don't think, no, there fucking isn't. Antifa is just a word. It's a boogeyman. We're all Antifa.

None of us are in Tifa. Who's Antifa? Is it those masked people stealing people from their homes and deporting them? They're anti-fascists. So the president is against the anti-fascists. Because we're pro-fascists. We're anti-fascists. Okay, let's, you know, words have meaning, folks.

Words have meaning. Kat's right, though. in the layout of what that clip was. But what is the actual sentence that they're pretending to be outraged by? They're pretending that Jimmy Kimmel said that the shooter was MAGA, which is not what he said.

The people who've been yelling for a week that quotes have been taken out of context, Charlie Kirk quotes have been taken out of context, are saying that this means that he said it was, the kid was MAGA, or they could be mad that, he characterized it as trying to score political points from it, which they have now been doing themselves.

So objective truth. The vice president took over his podcast for a day. How is that not using him to score political points? That's... The Jalcy Candace Owens' Instagram story tribute, it made me really sad because it was actually really sweet. It was just like pictures of them being friends and like hanging out. An actual tribute.

Like an actual tribute. And meanwhile, every single other person that claims to be his friend has just been using him. And I was like, when Candace Owens is the only person that's like, yeah, I will miss you. It's really sad. It's a weird time for leftists to be like, I sort of see where Candice Owens is coming from or Tucker Carlson. But then I'm not, I'm not getting, no, I'm not. So I read the quote and then I saw the quote. And I will say

Maybe you could have workshop To play devil's advocate The right The phrasing of it slightly But it's very clear It's one of those things In context It's very clear

He's saying that people Are desperately trying to frame This is anything other than right wing Everything's left wing extremism That's the whole problem That is what he is saying He is fucking right I understand when you read it

Like there's a way That you could read it differently But just Apply your own principles do due diligence see that he's not and also freedom of speech He gets to say whatever the fuck he wants I've never heard that in my life

What is that sounds silly? Well I feel gaslit right now cat I don't know what that is you made that up See this is going to get a clipped Congressional candidate doesn't know what freedom of speech They don't know humor what they're just going to take that clip Comedy is legal again they're going to AI your voice so that it just sounds like you're serious It's okay they've already done that to so many other things that I have

never said that are very explicit i found a chat bot of myself that someone sent screenshots of and oh that's not good god we're in hell we're in hell did you guys see the um the church service that had the ai charlie kirk audio that they're like what he would have said about what happened no i didn't is that new audio because like a day after it happened i saw some ai audio of like here's what yeah here's what he would have said i just saw this this morning and i guess it was from over the weekend and the pastor up front is like this is a AI this is what you know he would have said about this and it's of course very like he wouldn't want us to retaliate he would want us to come together it's all like that good stuff that i've never seen it charlie kirk i have spent

my career watching and monitoring and reporting on right wing actors and charlie kirk being one of them i have never agreed with him on anything in my life i don't think i also don't think that people should just be shot at random in the neck and that political violence begets political violence. And I also don't think we have to retcon inflammatory and dangerous remarks he said. Two things can be true at one time that he should not have been shot in the neck at a college campus by some guy that political violence is bad and that also we don't have to pretend that the right has been stirring up more political to violence. Like things can be true at like multiple things can be true. Yes. Not anymore. Multiple thoughts. You got to say he's your

favorite guy. Well, like that's the thing. Seeing so many Democrats be like this man was devoted to like really civil debate. And it's like no. At the same time, don't shoot people. Yeah. And then also saying people get mad saying that like you love Charlie Kirk for saying that. And it's like, no, Once again, we've probably never, ever agreed. But that is bad. I am sad that his kids don't have a father. This discourse, egg, who on the left would do what Charlie wants to do? Like, we'll have a good faith debate or whatever, a debate.

I've been thinking about that. First off, Charlie was a very brilliant businessman, let's say. He knew how to get a clip. He wanted those clips to circulate. That's purposeful. Those clips that we take out of context were meant to be taken out of context and circulated around and upset us. and, you know, rally people that agree with him. Let's be real about that.

That's a design purpose. But he wasn't out there trying to have a good faith conversation. He wasn't out there trying to hear somebody and their point. And what I would wish for, for all of us, is to be able to have conversations. I want to be heard. And in order to do that, I would like to have somebody that's good faith also be heard. I'm happy to give that grace. But if you're asking for us to go up and try to dunk and make a point that goes viral, I don't think that's productive at all.

And I think it's even more divisive. And that's my actual thought on the whole idea of a discourse. I'm happy to do it. But I'm waiting for somebody that's going to show up and be good faith about and actually tried. But that's not what it is. This is an ecosystem that rewards sensation that rewards the most, you know, enraging content. That's why we are all enraging. raged all the time. This is a system designed to make us all angry at each other. Anyway, end of soapbox. Well, yeah, because also, I mean, it's, you know, the question like, well, who on the left even does this or like, who on the right's going to take his place? Well, he was the only guy who did it. Like, Crowder did it for a little while. But, like, it's a, it's an industry that was basically invented by him. So maybe we don't need to keep doing it. Like, maybe we shouldn't have like. Well, we got Jubilee. Just one. Exactly. But also, like, going to.

college campuses is a place where you think like well there's going to be a lot of liberal kids around where would a like where would we go to wall street or something come and debate me i don't understand i mean there is that clip of that that like five-year-old girl in i think 2003 interviewing guys on wall street that's very funny you know amazing oh yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah very uh but like but yeah it's not like it's also like well he didn't even go to college and he's just going from college to college to get these clips and it's not fostering debate between the students, which is really what you would want. You know, the time he had spent at college campuses as a grown-house adult would have earned him a degree.

Yeah, a couple maybe. Like, and what you would want to see, like, Katie, to your point, actual conversation between students, not some propagandist out there trying to embarrass the students. Because that's not like, say, that's not how to have a safe, like, honest conversation. And I, I don't know. Is this the answer? I don't really depends on the people. But I keep coming back to, yeah, I want to be heard. And I know that if I am ever to be heard, I have to, by somebody that disagrees with me, I have to offer them that grace. It's just tough finding anybody that actually wants to hear what I have to say that disagrees with me. But if you're willing to, I would love to have a conversation. I don't need to change your mind. I want to make a point. And let's start with that. I would say online, it's a lot hard. in real life like you guys won't believe this like in real life people are so much more normal i have experienced this a lot on the campaign trail uh there is a whole part of my district that is like redder

and yeah i grew up republican i grew up like very like regan conservative like he is the best all that stuff and so i kind of understand i mean that's been a big part of my work in like my videos is trying to communicate because there are always going to be people that are bigoted and shitty but there are a lot more people that because of the way our system is built and because of bubbles of misinformation and ignorance that are built by people like Rupert Murdoch, they don't know. And like ignorance is so dangerous, but itself is just like completely value neutral. And so I've had so many conversations with Republicans in my district that are like, I don't know if I agree with everything you believe, but I do think you actually believe it

and that you want to fight. And I'm interested in learning about that. There was an orthodox Jewish Republican woman who came to me at a Fourth of July parade. And for anyone listening or watching, I am, you know, a progressive Palestinian woman. And she told me about how her father was murdered in a bus bombing in Israel in 1994. And she reminded me a lot of my dad, like, trying to end, like, the cycle of trauma after the knock upon. She's like, I've been told, like, I've grown up being afraid of Arabs and Muslims and especially Palestinians. And I just want to hear your story because I think you're genuine.

She came to the office and we had like an hour and a half long conversation, like genuinely. And at the end of it, like, we hugged. She was like, would you go to a Palestinian cafe with me? And I was like, absolutely, like, let's go do it. And we talked, she was talking about, you know, ICE. And she was like, I don't think this is an immigration policy. It doesn't make sense to me. I don't know why this would, because she's an immigrant too.

And I was like, I know it's not. And there are a lot more people. It's just they're usually not online for the most. The people actually want their minds changed. A good point. And thank you for saying that I, I agree with you 100%. I live in a community that's mixed politics. And I talk about it on the show.

Some people hate it. Some people love it. But it's important. It's important. to remember that there is a difference between what we see online. There is a difference between what politicians are trying to foment and just an average person that is kind of doing the best with what they've got. And it's overwhelming out there. But if you have kindness and respects, they have to show up with it too. Like this woman came to you wanting a conversation and I commend her

for that, you know? Right. And like, saw me as human and all this stuff. And you just can't go in and be like, like you never have to justify your own existence that's just like a non-starter we have to agree on just like your basic dignity but like ignorance you know I grew up being like why don't poor people just save more and then in high school we moved to Tucson I had friends that were like profoundly poor that could not go to college even with a full ride and I was like oh like the best way to fight transphobia is meeting a trans person the best way to fight racism is meaning like whatever race you're scared of anyways that's my rant yeah I mean it's a real life and you can't you can't do that on line in obviously like text like a Twitter type space but also these people who we were talking about like it's all on camera it's for the spectacle it's in it's it's it's for doing that kind of thing and we've we've said the best way to fight Cody phobia was meeting Cody see and we are I'm still a little scared okay but not as much not as much um right sorry sorry folks uh but also and we we've had this general position on like this sort of debate stuff and I you know not that we're being offered like Ben Shapiro isn't like on the horn like calling us to debate but like

our position is basically like okay but like not on camera like we just want to like what you're talking what you were talking about cat like no let's just hang out and talk face to face have a conversation because my goal isn't like oh I want to get the clip that like proves you wrong and then like you share your clip that proves me wrong whatever I want to talk to you and hopefully convince you of of some things and maybe change your mind a little bit so that when you go out and do your spectacle bullshit, then you are presenting a different case. I'll be honest.

I don't even need to change their mind in that moment. Exactly. But if I'm heard and I make a point, you can think about that. I don't think the outcome needs to be. I'm changing people's mind. I think that if that happens down the line, which I think does happen when people start actually listening.

You just need that puncture. Yeah. That puncture. Before we move on from this, I would love to read President Trump's reaction on truth social to the news that Jimmy Kimmel was suspended. We're all feeling so good. Yeah, no, we're feeling great.

So I feel like I, that was a downer. So let me pick us back up. First of all, Jimmy Kimmel has been suspended. He hasn't been canceled yet. They want to bring him back and they're figuring out how to do that. If they have to make a donation to Turning Point or if he has to apologize. Two dollars. Apologize to who.

It doesn't matter. Anyway, President Trump, truth socialed, great news for America. The ratings challenged Jimmy Kimmel show is canceled. congratulations to ABC for finally having the courage to do what had to be done. Kimmel has zero talent and worse ratings. Why does the president care about ratings? He mentions ratings several more times in here. Let me know if you can hear a name that is not mentioned in here.

Kimmel has zero talent and worse ratings than even Colbert, if that's possible. That leaves Jimmy and Seth, two total losers on fake news NBC. Their ratings are also horrible. Do it NBC, President DJT. Wait, when he says Jimmy and Seth, does he also know, I mean, Fallon? Fallon, yeah. Those guys have to go to.

I thought Fallon would be safe. The incendiary Jimmy Fallon. Do you think that Trump knows that this happened, that this is about Charlie Kirk? Is he aware of that? No. No. No. No.

100% not. No. I mean, when Colbert, when the Colbert news dropped, he then tweet socialed or whatever. Kimmel is next. He just said it. He just said like Jimmy Kimmel is next. It has nothing to do with this. this. It's their opportunity. Also, I have to point out, like, and we, we kind of glossed over, like, you know, the phrasing of the thing he said. One thing I need to point out, we hit some new lows over the weekend with the mega gang desperately trying to characterize the kid who murdered Charlie Kirkers anything other than one of them. The next day, Stephen Crowder tripped over himself to say that the bullets had trans ideology on them. He, like, there was a whole thing of, like, leaking this document that turned out to not even be accurate. And so, like, it is.

true everyone's saying he lied about about this he lied about this or like it wasn't even a joke he it was true it's accurate the thing he said is accurate they're going to use it doesn't matter they're going to do the thing that they are going to do and have been wanting to do for so long and use this uh not just as kimmel said to score political points uh but to crush their political opponents um in many many ways and their political opponents range from individual in the entertainment industry to individuals in the political sphere to political organizations

Vance has been on so many podcasts because he's the Vice podcast I guess and he just can't stop podcasting and he keeps saying like yeah we're going to go after you know this long line of network terror he keeps alluding to networks of

terrorists on the And yesterday, I think he said that, yeah, their funding is this, like this assassination who paid for it is what they're asking now. So he's alluding to the fact that somebody like paid for this to happen. It's all very dangerous. Feels like just seeing people go around the point over and over again of like, like circling the point. Like maybe we should have fewer guns. Maybe college campuses shouldn't be a place to have to prepare for active. shootings. Maybe we shouldn't be spreading hate, like all these things. Like maybe we shouldn't be

pushing immediate conspiracy theories about any event that happens. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We can take some other lessons from this and they're all the wrong ones. Like Trump is saying Antifa is a major terrorist organization, which there is like no legal distinction for domestic terrorism. Put that aside. Like, I know there, I know that the legal stuff doesn't matter. He can whatever he wants. But like, you still have to get American juries to convict people for things. And they have been unable to do that. For now. For now. For now. Everything I'm saying is for now. But they can't get indictments in D.C. Janine Piro can't get indictments this week. Someone who was on trial in L.A. for misdemeanor assault on a border patrol officer was acquitted because they had no

evidence. Right. Like, you still have to get juries for now to do stuff. So I'm not doubting that Trump's going to, like, label everyone Antifa or anyone who goes to a protest as Antifa and they're a terrorist, et cetera, but does that mean he can just or will just whisk them off to Guantanamo? Well, right, and everybody just seems to be, like, allowing this slow shift away from, slow, rapid shift, whatever, from reality and, like, how things work. Even this Kimmel situation, like, oh, well, ABC just made that decision. Well, ABC executives didn't think it was actually a problem.

Um, and when the FCC chair goes on a propagandist for the government, Benny Johnson and says, future FBI director, Benny Johnson, future FBI director, Benny Johnson, um, uh, he'll just plagiarize all his reports. Uh, we can, it says, uh, we can do this the easy way or the hard way. Like, that is so explicit what's going on. And then they're like, oh, it's just the same as what happened with Tucker Carlson, who lost his company like billions and billions of dollars. Like, they're just not the same thing, but they're so prepared. to frame everything as like, well, this is what you did, so we're doing it back at you,

even though they're not the same things. At all. At all. And they're just allowing it and presenting this narrative that they're the same, therefore it's all justified. They're admitting it's about revenge. Exactly. And even like what Brandon Carr said,

he called, again, we've discussed the details of the monologue, not even the monologue, but like the 20 seconds of the thing that they're mad at, he called it the sickest conduct possible. First of all, very tame thing he said. I think murdering someone is probably the sickest conduct. The sickest conduct possible was murdering the guy. Yeah, murdering the guy.

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Can you tell us what you experienced there? Yeah, it was super, super fun. Yeah, great pivot. So I went to the Broadview facility. This is where ICE headquarters its operations in Chicago and has for a while. I went there for a vigil in, I believe, July, and it was pretty tame. It was like a bunch of old Jewish ladies and some college students and some people that were just like, hey, stop kidnapping our neighbors. they ordered Uber Eats into the building because they were scared of us and made the guy come

inside to give them their dinner because ICE agents are very brave. And then I came back, there's been a vigil there every Friday for like a decade now. And of course, they picked up with ICE activity. And so three Fridays ago, a couple people were there and got arrested. And then more people came out, including myself, the week before last. And that week, you know, we're completely peaceful. protests. Both of these were completely peaceful protests on the protesters part. We ended up getting an ice car to turn around. We were, you know, chanting, singing songs. I brought my knitting. Other people

brought like crafts. I know. Two potential weapons. Knitting needles. Oh, it's so true. That's a joke. I was making a joke. I was making a joke. I were wooden. Don't put that in court. We'll bleep that you brought your knitting. Thank you. Thank you. So the week before that, they had changed the deportation time. They usually deport people around 8 or 9 a.m. And they changed it last week or the week before to be like early in the morning. so that way protesters wouldn't be there. So I came around 5 a.m. last Friday. And I and some other protesters were sitting on city property on the street. City of Broadview. Broadview is not a sink, does not have sanctuary city status. So that is why ICE headquarters are operations there. We watched them try to intimidate us with vans behind the gate. I saw the people that were marched into this van. They were wearing the same clothes they were detained in. And we don't know how long they've been there. We've heard that people have been there for days or weeks at a time. It is a processing facility, not the detention facility. So they are not given beds. They are not given hygienic products. They are not given hot meals. And then ICE came out and just a bunch of men and masks came and forcibly removed us. And I didn't resist, but I didn't help.

So they picked me up. They took three guys to get me up. I'm 105 pounds. And they threw me on the concrete. And then they went back inside. They brought, they deported the people. They went back inside. And then more people joined around 7 a.m.

Around 10, this weird AI voice came on. and threatened to use chemical and lethal munitions. And then ICE agents came out in full riot gear, gas masks. They had like full guns, stuff for tear gas, pepperballs, all this shit. Keep in mind, Broadview Police sat there and watched when we were forcibly removed. I think if anyone had done that to me in any other public place, it would qualify as assault. But once again, I don't know who did it because there was no identification. And they watched too as these guys came out and we saw that a van was coming in.

so we went over, people were slamming on the door to get out. Like, you could see the door moving. It was one of the most harrowing things I've ever seen in my life. And Bradview Police came or the ice or wherever they belong. These could just be guys off the street. We don't know. They're wearing like Spirit, Halloween, Call of Duty costumes. We're shoving us out of the way, brought them in. And then they did this whole song and dance where they'd come out, come back in, come out, come back in. I left around noon because I needed to catch up on sleep. And there There didn't seem to be any more deportations for that day. There weren't, but they did shoot some protesters with pepper balls after that.

And I'm going to be going back tomorrow. So if I get shot, this is heroin. Tell everyone I didn't have a bunch of my name in my house. That'd be really embarrassing. Say I don't even know what my name is. That's how you'll honor me. You've got like the usual suspects cork board up there, except it's all the same, everything that's in the story.

It's all just anti-I-shed. I was at Kat and I talked to my friend, cat who was drinking a cat and this is actually there's a key in peel sketch that is this exact bit where it's that scene but it's just Jordan peel saying cat poster it's a poster of a cat over and over over again I want to ask you about Chicago specifically because ice activity is picked up there but for a while it felt like Chicago might be the next hot spot for a Trump National Guard or military invasion and he has since backed down off the that, whether it is because there would be legal issues or whether he didn't want to raise

the profile of Pritzker, the way he did for Newsom, any number of reasons that could have happened. But like, this is a particular moment to be running for Congress. Things are different than they used to be. So I want to ask what it's like in that environment and also if you feel emboldened given that this little bit of pushback got Trump to back down. Yeah. I mean, Trump is scared of Chicago. I was actually showing my, hold on, Cody. I'm about to give you a shout out. I was showing my new field director, the behind the bastards reading of Ben Shapiro's terrible novel, which I love listening to on road trips with which both of you were on. And what I tried to stress to people over the years is the right hates Chicago. And Cody said at one point, because Robert was like, well, does Ben Shapiro hate Chicago? And you were like, yeah, because black people, because crime. because Obama, like, that's literally, they just hate Chicago. And in 2016, Trump, this is the only place Trump has ever tried, had to cancel a rally because he got scared of protesters. And he got scared again. He was going to bring the National Guard here. And people were getting ready. And I mean,

we actually have, like, ice posters all over neighborhoods. We have No Your Rights campaigns. If you're in the area, if you live in like Evanston or Niles, there are sanctuary groups there. If you're in Rogers Park like me, we have Protect RP where we do Ice Watch. Actually, last night we saw a bunch of unfamiliar vehicles on our block. So Ben and I went down in our jammies. And we were like, hey, what's going on? And they were fixing the water pipes. We just want to make sure it wasn't ice. Like everyone is. Yeah, but you're on notice. Yep. You're on notice. And like we all have a plan of like yell, scream, make noise, get in the way. Chicago's not going to put up with this bullshit. And Trump got scared, but they're still increasing ice presence. And they are going into our communities and they are kidnapping people. They're just taking people off the streets. They've already taken dozens. We don't know the actual number. almost certainly don't know the actual number. People are terrified. Immigrants aren't leaving their homes. Even documented people are taking their papers with them. And like, so I'm running for office. And part of why I'm running is I'm just, I got sick of waiting around for Democrats to do something. And I am trying to not just extend that to if slash when I'm in Congress, but also in

the way I campaign of like being unapologetically anti-I standing up for our neighbors. The Chicago Tribune's editorial board wrote a whole thing about how I'm ruining civility and politics because I said fuck and I'm like guys I think I think the mass demand are ruining civility and politics I think the president has ruined civility and politics a decade a year like what are you wrong about I'm shlonged I it's one of these things where you know the first week we went there were no elected officials or other candidates out there last week one of my opponents actually joined which thrilled me. I was so, we, like, we stood, like, shoulder to shoulder in front of ICE agents and, like, got their badge numbers together. And, like, that made me very happy. And I'm hoping that this week, like, just having that onus of, like, you have power, you have privilege, you have a platform, fucking use it. Because as shitty as it is, an ICE agent shooting one of us with a pepperball or throwing me to the ground, which, like, doesn't hold a candle to what the people in that facility are going through, just by the way. But that will make news far more than the pregnant women sleeping on concrete, which,

Unfortunately, it is true, though. It's the reality, though. And so use it. And if you need a, you know, 26-year-old running for Congress to put that fire under your ass, then fine. It's so important. And the fact that you've shown up and are not shy about it, you're consistent about it, your opponent showing up as well is a great thing. No matter what happens in this race and any of those races, some of you at home might be running or watching, it's good to have more people. We pull them with us.

We bring them along with us when we show up and we stand our ground and it makes us safer. And look, if you lose and this other person wins, but they also care as much as you, then that is something good. You have helped move that, but you're going to win. But also, you know, I'm just saying in general, it's good. It's so important. Yeah. I mean, like, I am a big believer. We're all supposed to be, especially in a primary.

Like, we're supposed to be on the same team. And so, like, I really tried to do. I was very inspired by, like, New York's mayoral race of, like, all the progressive candidate. States, cross endorsing. And so I have really been trying to make an effort in, like, working with my opponents. Because, like, we're all on the same team. We all have different approaches. We all need to hold each other accountable, obviously.

But also, like, having more of us to push it like this is important than less. Yeah, you know? It's good. Also, I, wait, do you all want to see my protest signs? We made it at our campaign office? Hold on. They just have your name all over them? Is it just like your name?

You don't get to see them anymore. So we did a campaign protest sign-making party. We're bringing a bunch of them to Broadview tomorrow. Or I'm bringing a bunch of them in Broadview as an individual and not a candidate for legal purposes and also for real purposes. Anyways, here's one. The Punisher would hate you. That's awesome. If you could read these signs, you'd be so mad.

That is so funny. Thank you. And then, of course, just see you at the Hague losers. These are rad. Thank you. I appreciate it. Excellent. And the back of it says, cat, cat.

Cat, Cat, Cat, Cat, Cat. Actually, okay, wait, so for one of them, we ran out a poster board. So we had a postering contest for the campaign. I don't know if you've ever seen, like, the Chicago rat posters in the alleys, but it's like Target, rats. It's really cool. So, on the back of this one is a campaign poster, but it's so fucking sick. I'm so impressed by you, Kat, and everything that you're doing. And thank you for sharing that story.

Israel has launched a massive ground offensive in Gaza City in an attempt to formally occupy it. tanks and military vehicles are rolling through residential neighborhoods as thousands of Palestinians flee. It's been condemned around the world by the Pope, not here. Well, not by the United States. By, right, Pope's from Chicago and by many U.S. politicians. Concurrently, the UN Commission finally said that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, prompting Senator Bernie Sanders to also say it for the first time. Oh, my God, finally. I am very shocked it took this long. for Bernie to say it. I mean, I'm not shocked, honestly, but

I guess good for him for quoting the U.N. I think a lot of people don't realize about like genocide. This is actually like what my degree is in, which is weird. But like it's a legal term. It isn't necessarily like the mass killing of people or like specific qualifications

that qualify as a genocide. And also when states use that term, they if they are recognizing it as a genocide, they are legally obligated. They are part of the Genocide Convention to do what they can to prevent or punish it. And so that is part of the reason why a lot of lawmakers are terrified of using the word genocide. That's a fair, a good point.

You know, you want to be cautious and make sure legally you're doing the right thing. But it's been very also clear for a very long time to all of us since this started, what the end game and what the end goal was. They've made clear their genocidal intent. From the day it started, we've been clear about where this was headed. And here we are. Are we going to, are we going to do anything about it? I'm trying. Us or the United States government.

The United States government. Oh, no. In fact, Trump was asked about this and he was just like, I got nothing to do with it. They asked him on Tuesday if he supported the ground offensive. He said, well, I have to see. I don't know too much about it. He doesn't know much about anything, does he? That's all he ever has to say when asked on stuff.

He doesn't know about the ballroom. He knows about that ballroom. Yeah, this is great. Check out these beams, right? here. It's all going great. We're just supposed, like, the party of law and order, like, follow our own damn laws. We are obligated by our own laws, by the Leahy Amendment to make sure that our weapons are being used in accordance with U.S. law. Like, it is not that much to ask, especially so many Americans are struggling that the weapons that their tax dollars paid for are not being

used to commit war crimes. And it, like, Netanyahu must see it as tacit approval. If Trump's like, I don't know much about it, I got to look into it. That's like, okay, that's green light. We can do oh we can keep whatever we want i mean they're going to anyway but like it's it's also the exact thing we saw a year ago because now we're getting leaks of oh trump's so mad at what's going on over there trump's mad at net and yahoo he's screwing me all this stuff very similar to the leaks from the biden white house of oh he's so mad at net and yahoo nothing we're not doing anything different we're going to let this keep going and we're going to help in doing it it's so insane when ronald regan is more aggressive on like human rights

than either of these administrations in his conflict. Let's dig him up and vote for Reagan. Let's get him back out. Let's get him back out. Let's get him back out there. So he's trying to retcon Reagan. It's so demoralizing the whole thing. It's...

Yeah, it is. It is. And it's the kind of thing where, like, I have to see, I don't know too much about it. As soon as, like, it's his land for his little, like, casino plan or whatever he's talking about, like, he'll care about it then. Remember the AI video where they had, like, men and beards with giant boobs

that he didn't realize that he posted. I just remember that starts. Yeah, Trump Gaza. Yeah, everyone's fantasy. Traza, if you will. Well, right, but like, does he get asked about that? Does he get asked about, are we still going to take, you said, we'll have it.

It'll be ours. Is that the plan? Have you talked with Netanyahu about it? They're going to do all this work. People are fleeing for their lives, hundreds of thousands of people. Are we still going to have it? Is that still the plan?

You know, we go at the media a lot and, you know, The media frequently does ask questions and then Trump yells at them and stuff. So, you know, it's hard to ask every single question, but you'd think he said so much and dug in so much on this issue specifically while saying that he's going to end the war really quick and he should get a Nobel Peace Prize for doing it. He's the Peace President. Right, the Peace President, but also will get to occupy this land where people live and I'm going to build a resort there.

It's absurd. You can't bring anything up. You can't ask me anything. The other day, someone asked him, should a president in office be engaged? in so much business activity and he was like, where are you from? And they were like Australia. And he said, you're hurting Australia very much right now. That is so pathetic. What an absurd. He said, you are hurting Australia very much right now. I will tell about this to your leader.

That is appropriate president Trump that a president in office should be engaged in so much business activity. Well, I'm really not. My kids are running the business. I'm here. You know what the activity. Where are you from? I'm from the Australian broadcasting. I love the Australians. You're hurting Australia right. In my opinion, you are hurting Australia very much right now. And they want to get along with me. You know, your leader is coming over to see me very soon.

I'm going to tell them about you. You set a very bad tone. It's like, real. No, it's ridiculous. If you weren't the president, that'd be very, that'd be a very funny bit. That's everything he does. It would be funny if he wasn't the president. Like, all this other stuff is not a distraction.

But the fact of the matter is, is we haven't talked about this. New York Times report about how the UAE put $2 billion into his little crypto scheme, and then two weeks later, Trump approved a bunch of chips for them, like just the most corrupt thing ever out in the open. I think, unrelated, probably. I'm sure unrelated. You think? Yeah, so unrelated.

It's as close to a quid pro quo as you get. And it's not even like on our list of topics because one, we know nobody's going to care. We know nobody. It's not going to hurt him. I guess that's how we determine topics here is like, is this something that could. like get people to turn against him and that's not sounds like a good business deal

sounds like a deal from the guy the deal guy that his Middle East envoy is helping to broker like the guy who works for the government who's supposed to negotiate with people in the Middle East is also negotiating to get the billions in crypto into his I don't know so much to look into this if we had a house of representatives

they'd probably want to investigate this yeah what's a cat what's your like what's your plan what are you what's first to fix everything by myself. What's first on the list of let's do something about this? Iron ironically, first thing on the list is constituent services. So the representative, the incumbent in this district, Jan Tchaikowsky, she is known for her great constituent services.

And so we want to keep people on from her office, but then also bring it up a notch. It's insane that there is not a chat feature for constituent services to make them more accessible. and I want to institute that and also make sure that they're as flexible as possible with the horrors that are happening by having a lot of like basically a codex of groups on the ground where you can do direct action because a lot of times you call an office and they're like, what do I do? And they're like, call the city. That doesn't cut it in this time. So that is the first. You can do it under any president. You have money that's apportioned for that. Also, I just want to ask y'all because sometimes I feel like this. Like when I started talking about ICE, I started feeling like this.

I felt like this at the hairdresser after getting my hair colored for the first time in five months. Do you ever feel like you just can't be normal? Like you start talking about the horrors and then you're just like so angry and like, yeah. And yeah. Yeah. Where you like you feel it can't be normal. Reality doesn't exist anymore. And you start like almost ranting to yourself and like you've got all these mixed thoughts.

Well, I don't know how to even express. Yeah. Or then I try to button that. up perhaps being like I want to just exist as a human being in this social function and then I feel myself getting angry that people aren't talking about

this existential crisis that's unfolding all around us it's difficult yeah posted about anime one time people are like why are you posting about this if there are things happening I was like I know things are happening but like at this exact moment I was just wanted to talk about this Skypea arc because

you got to be able to like be a person A little bit. A little bit. A tiny bit. Knitting and anime. Like, come on. Come on. And I bring the knitting to the ice protest. Exactly.

We have the anime. Let me hear one good thing that happened to y'all this week before we go, though. I got my tickets to see one battle after another on Vista vision. Hell yeah. There's only a couple screenings on that kind of film at the vista, which Quentin Tarantino owns. The reviews for this movie are almost like too good. I don't want to like, you know, people are always. like this is one of the movies of the decade I'm like I don't want to get

take it off that pedestal but just have fun but like yeah that's cool that's fun Cody you got anything I'm trying I got I got a good night sleep the other night that's a great one that's also not last night really rare for Cody yeah I'm proud of you for that thanks I got a better night sleep than normally too this sounds a little self congratulatory but I'm going to show for it anyway Well, congratulations you do. Or to all of us. That's what this is for.

I went to a wedding last weekend. So first off, it's fun to get dressed up and, like, feel alive in the way. But, you know, like I just explained, it's hard carrying around the duality of what's happening and then, you know, doing forced merriment of some sort or whatever. So this weekend, I felt really heavy. I felt really sick to my stomach about the implications of everything and cried a lot. Anyway, and on our show last week, when we talked about the shooting, I did talk about, sometimes it feels weird what we're doing. And sometimes I ask myself, what am I doing with my life? Is this how I want to spend my one precious life enraged all the time?

Anyway, I'm at this wedding, and then the photographer came up and was like, are you Katie? And said, I listened to you guys for a long time. I was just listening to you earlier today, and thank you for everything you're doing. And I honestly kind of teared up right there in the middle of the wedding because it felt very affirming. And it reminded me that there is a whole community of like-minded people out there. Even if it feels isolated in our screens, you know what? We do this and we put it out to the masses. But we're there and we're here and we're community.

Anyway, that's for all of us. That was a really nice positive ray of light. Thank you. I forget your name. You made my day. That's really sweet. That's the nice thing. That's so nice.

He's me like, that's not what I said. I don't remember exactly, but. Recognize you thanked you was nice. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks person listening to this. Oh yeah. They're probably listening.

Thank you so much. There is a slight hope for me. Hope. I don't know. We're at a unique moment in time. where people's eyes are open on both sides and people are getting angrier and angrier and I don't mean to give credence to the anti-Semitic wing of this

but it is positive to me that more and more people are recognizing what is happening for what it is that this is both parties' problems, a recognition that it's not just Trump, it's not just Biden, it's Obama, it's Bush, it's every administration. and what I hope for all of us and it doesn't look good right now but I keep coming back to

we need to get to a point where it's not us against them people that I necessarily disagree with it's all of us against this system all of us against the system that manipulates us and those horrendous things

everyone read the future by Naomi Alderman yeah I mean and I just I mean I don't know if that's hopeful or depressing but I do recognize that for the first time in years, more people are seeing what we've been seeing. And that is something. I don't know. I'll leave that with, I'll leave it there. Kat, it's been freaking great having you here. Thank you for having me back. Sorry if I brought

the mood down with ice and you. I mean, sorry that happened to you. We're like, you know, we have a mix of bad bad bad news and trying to like joke around and I'm so sorry that happened to you and you know you're like yeah they like got like shoved to the ground and I'm like well you shouldn't you know it's no I what I want to like stress to people though is like everyone there was scared I think people like see that and they're like wow that was cool or whatever, which it wasn't. We just sat there while people are literally being sent to concentration caps. But everyone there was scared. Like my hands were shaking as I was filming. You are probably scared too right now, and that is normal. And doing something even when you are scared is brave.

And I think there are so many more of us that are brave than are than not. And this is what weak men do to feel strong. Yes. Well said. Yes. Absolutely. and that's the thing yeah it's um that's what bravery is right it's doing something even though you're scared yeah it's like not just being like impervious to shit it's being really fucking scared and doing it anyways yep 100% um cat please plug where people can follow you all the things yeah so i'm running for congress if uh you want a representative that sounds like me anything you've heard today in terms of just like not sounding like a robot uh one that doesn't take any corporate pack or a billionaire money, someone who has organized our volunteers on

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to see if we can do more campaign fundraising that way by having fun and playing games and doing cool shit like that than all the other shitty tactics that happen behind the scenes and campaigns that candidates don't even like doing. So join us, YouTube Twitch, 6 p.m. on Tuesday. I think that's such a cool

experiment to run to see if you can go about this differently. It's also going to be a great excuse for me to play Hades, too, for, like, three hours straight while pretending it's a work thing. So, yeah. Two birds, one stone. Awesome. Two birds, one stone. Multitasking.

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