Some More News - Some More News: Trans People Are Real and Detransitioning Isn't That Common

Episode Date: January 30, 2025

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And here is some of that news. To about 48.3% of the population that voted, and maybe more, things are bad. Yeah, checks out. But here's some more news. Everything is extra bad if you're trans in America. Thanks to Trump's Supreme Court, conservative states and judges have been pushing a ban

on gender-affirming care for minors. Gender affirming care is highly individualized and perhaps unsurprisingly on a spectrum that can be medical, mental health-based, et cetera. It's a nuanced subject that our now new president again vowed to stop on day one, to quote, stop the transgender lunacy on day one. Also on day one, he made billions of dollars in Bitcoin

with his meme coin, one of the benefits of being the president. One of the other not very good things he did on day one was sign an executive order that says that in America, there are only two sexes, male and female. It's official. So what of those who would like to transition from one to the other?

What about what's in between? What about a third thing? Well, since there's only two, we're going to also ignore that in going from one to the other. There's probably something in between, at the very least. Like it's like a spectrum, right, in between? Like there's one in the other, like in between,

it'd be a spectrum. But nevermind all of that, there's currently no executive order or law that says transitioning is not possible. So this whole conversation is legal for now, but they still want to ban it all for all ages, but specifically any type of gender affirming care for minors.

It's not just conservatives pushing these bans, which are justified as protection for these kids. It's not bigotry, you see. These lawmakers are protecting impressionable kids who, thanks to the MTVs, have been manipulated into thinking that they're trans. It's a fad, like being gay or black or left-handed. They'll grow out of it.

That's the implication when conservative pundits or lawmakers talk about eradicating transgender ideology, right? That trans people don't actually exist. It's all fake, you see. And I guess the real point of this video, something we hope you get from it, is that it's not fake. Transgender people are real and they exist.

Trans people are real. They just are. Sorry, snowflakes, but let's investigate this claim that it's just a fad. We can just ask the growing detransitioning movement, as in former trans people who have now swapped back and or claim to regret transitioning in the first place. There have been multiple articles and documentaries

about this apparent rise. Documentaries are never wrong, as we all know. It has document right in the word, and that word has come in it. Those are just facts. But it would be pronounced cume. So. Fake news. But here's some unfake news in the form of a question. Is there a rise, not just of detransitioning, but of trans people in general. It's hard to find a solid number for this. Depending on the study, there's around 1 to 5% of teenagers

who identify as transgender in the United States or are questioning their gender identity. Mind you, that's identifying, includes non-binary people, as well as people not actually medically transitioning. So it's weird that some folks seem so focused on it. It seems like, dare I speculate what it seems like, they are making a very big stink over trans people in sports and bathrooms and wherever else

when statistically speaking, those issues are never going to actually affect most Americans. On the flip side, if you have a friend or family member who is trans, these laws against them will affect you. According to one poll, 44% of Americans know a trans person and that number has been going up. Maybe it's good that people are more comfortable

being themselves and opening up to, well, at least apparently, 44% of Americans so far. Anyway, for the record, I'm not saying that nobody ever detransitions. What I am saying is that the so-called rise of teens and adults becoming trans and then detransitioning isn't really a thing. Because being transgender is a thing.

There isn't a big scary problem with teens thinking they're trans and then regretting it. Nor is there a sweeping problem with trans people at all, unless the problem is the fact that this really small percentage of the population has been suddenly harassed and demonized by the media and an entire political party for nefarious purposes. Nor should the fact that some people de-transition

be used to push the notion that transgender people are lunacy that needs to be eradicated. But you don't have to take my word for it. I'm actually gonna explain with sources and facts and junks why all of those things I just said are true. It'll be very compelling, much like this documentary's lies that if true would be super compelling.

But they're not, so they're not. There was a study looking at the Swedish population of those who had transitioned that found that those who had transitioned had suicide rates 19 times higher than population-matched controls. Look at that! They have numbers and facts! They are citing a specific study, this study, saying that people who transition are more likely to commit suicide. Nobody wants that.

That's like the opposite of what we want teens doing. It's what people hope transitioning will prevent. Except here's a novel idea. Let's read the study. Again, as you can see, it's literally the same study they cite, which if you read it says, quote, for the purpose of evaluating

whether sex reassignment is an effective treatment for gender dysphoria, it is reasonable to compare reported gender dysphoria pre and post treatment. Such studies have been conducted either prospectively or retrospectively and suggest that sex reassignment of transsexual persons improves quality of life and gender dysphoria.

They then quote an ass-ton of studies showing that transitioning improves the lives of people with gender dysphoria. Here's a handful of those studies on the screen, all of which show the majority of people who transitioned were either happier or didn't regret the transition. They also point out that this high rate only applied to people who transitioned before 1989. Quote, And by they, I mean at least one of the authors, Cecilia Dene, who, when interviewed about this study, flat out said that it was being misused by the media.

She also pointed out that the likely reason the suicide rates were higher in the past was because there was less effective healthcare and more of a social stigma around transgender people. More than now, she highlighted this Huffington Post article as the correct assessment of her work. That article points out that being trans is just hard, whether you transition or not,

because people treat you differently. For example, making a documentary about how you're going to kill yourself because you regret your transition. And this is the first way these documentaries or think pieces or pundits lie directly to people's faces. They take a study, cherry pick the contents, and skew it to seem like they're using

some kind of actual science or objectivism. The second and arguably more messed up tactic they use is taking actual detransition teens and adults and parading them out as proof. Here's a documentary from whatever Epic TV thinks it is called Gender Transformation the Untold Realities. This is all coming from the top, the major corporations, governments, politicians. You have a pipeline. It's also in the education system.

So today we're going to talk a bit about genders. We are here to support you. I feel like I couldn't breathe, my aching body. Sorry, docu-drama. As you can see, the trailer is mainly reenactments based on interviews with parents and a single doctor, not trans people, about how concerned they are about trans kids, and how I guess it's this big government cabal making kids be trans. They really want people to think that the parents are these scrappy underdogs against

the big gay machine. It's actually the gays who are oppressors, you see. The evil empire run by Supreme Leader woke. But to be fair and beed, this docudrama does have actual de-transitioner interviews buried within. They told my parents if I wasn't allowed to transition, I would be at risk of suicide.

This was a group where they basically gathered vulnerable children and taught them that it was us against them. That is one of just four detransitioned people in this thing, just four. Here it is on IMDb. And as you can see, the vast majority of people interviewed are parents and teachers and this one psychiatrist

who shows up in multiple anti-trans documentaries. And in fact, of those four detransitioned interviews, three of those people have IMDb credits with multiple anti-trans documentaries on them. That's weird. Like it's the same handful of people every time. One of them, Chloe Cole, has 24 credits as a detransitioner on various shows.

Here she is on Fox News telling parents to ignore the advice of doctors and refuse to transition their kids. At age 17, Chloe changed her mind and detransitioned, and today she decided to fight back, filing a groundbreaking lawsuit against Kaiser and the doctors who she says performed a sex change experiment on her.

Thank you, Laura, for having me. My message to parents right now is, unfortunately, you might have to go against the advice of the doctors right now and to keep your kids away from this ideology, to keep them away from this experimentation. We'll get more into this later, but this is all to say that these documentaries and news clips aren't really about an epidemic of teens detransitioning, but rather literally the same five or six teens. That's it. Multiple documentaries and think pieces and Fox News specials around, like, a decent group number for poker. And I'm not trying to take anything away from those people's experiences. I'm sure there are people who regret transitioning. But as far as we know, most don't.

The vast most. And these few people are being used to justify the kind of legislation that's happening in America. Legislation that's making it even harder for trans people to navigate an already impossible process. That's what's so freaking wild about this claim, that kids are being peer-pressured to impulsively transition like it's getting a piercing or shaving your head.

Hormones absolutely require a prescription from a medical professional, as well as jumping through a whole series of extra hoops depending on which regressive laws have recently been passed in your state. Hell, testosterone is a controlled substance, especially the way I use it. Surgeries are even more restricted, usually requiring multiple letters from doctors and psychiatrists even in progressive states. Wait lists are often months to years long, and even if you get on a wait list, the odds that your insurance will fully cover gender-affirming care are 50-50 at best and constantly being

re-litigated. That's a pretty long and arduous journey for a life-ruining fad that kids are being pressured into doing and will eventually regret. To hear them tell it, it won't be long before we're dealing with a massive wave of detransitioners suing their schools and parents for forcing them down the path to transness. We're gonna have thousands of young people who are detransitioning.

They're gonna be mad at what's happened. And so I honestly think maybe it's five years, maybe it's 10 years that this is all going to end. You heard it here first. In five or maybe 10 years, the trans fad that's been around since at least ancient Mesopotamia will end. And when it does, it'll be a huge event, mass detransitions. Anti-trans activists have long claimed that 80 to 90%

of trans identified teens will eventually desist or stop being trans on their own when left to their own devices. For example. And it was not disclosed to her family or to her that for example, teenage transitioners desist from transition at a 80 to 90% rate that the majority of people who go through this

regret it later on. Hey, it's that lawyer from before. Weird. Hope we talk about her later. Okay. What they commonly cite is a study called Desisting and Persisting Gender Dysphoria After Childhood, A Qualitative Follow-Up, published by Dr. Thomas Steensma.

It was maybe what Joanne KKK Rowling was referring to in that blog post from a while back, but she didn't cite anything, so who can say? The study is hugely flawed in multiple obvious ways that really makes it seem like Dr. Steensma is either stupid or a liar, or perhaps a third thing. Maybe it's a spectrum. That's something I need to point out, actually.

It's often extremely easy and even fun to disprove this stuff if you just read it a little bit. Because reading is magic. Readious bookium! In the case of this study, it doesn't differentiate between kids with actual persistent documented gender dysphoria and kids who just acted a little more

outside their gender norm. And boy, it's way worse than it sounds. Like here's how they describe the girls with gender dysphoria. Quote, the girls had clearly masculine interests and preferred activities such as soccer, playing sports games on the computer, climbing trees, building huts,

and getting into mischief with other boys. Sports games, tree climbing, huts? I kid you not, they define playing soccer as a sign of gender dysphoria. Soccer, because kicking a little toy around as a fun game is owned by masculinity. And so according to this study, if you were a bit of a tomboy as a girl or were a boy that played with Barbie dolls

and then you grew out of it as an adult, you de-transitioned. The plot of miscongeniality, according to this study, is an example of de-transitioning. Almost literally, because a lot of the examples in the study are flat out fictional as well. It turns out that they were unable to locate at least 45% of the children they intended to follow up with. And so, and instead of noting that, they decided to just count them all in the D-transitioner column too.

Why? Because they didn't show back up at a single gender identity clinic. Quote, the other 24 adolescents did not reapply for treatment at the gender identity clinic during adolescence. As the Amsterdam Gender Identity Clinic for children and adolescents is the only one in the country, we assumed that their gender dysphoric feelings had desisted and that they no longer had a desire for sex reassignment or a desire to play soccer or whatever.

So they assumed, the study says assumed. There are so many reasons they might not have come back to a gender identity clinic for children, even if it's the only one in that area. For one, maybe they weren't children when they finally decided to transition. Maybe they died or moved or went broke or went missing after escaping the midnight realm. You can't just ASSUME the reason was that they were no longer feeling dysphoric.

That is garbage science. But also, as we said, their entire definition of dysphoric was wrong. And also, maybe, just MAYBE, the reason some of those kids didn't transition was because they were forced not to. That's the thing about these studies. Even if they weren't lying about the data, it's weird how incurious they are about why a child with gender dysphoria might not transition later in life, because the reason is often horrifying and has nothing to do with the kid losing interest. To put it in polite terms,

it's most likely due to external factors. Here's a study that surveyed over 27,000 transgender adults and asked them if they ever de-transitioned at some point in their lives. 2,242 of them said yes, and of that number, 82.5% reported at least one external driving factor for it. Most often pressure from family or social ridicule.

Only about 16% pointed to any internal factors like doubt, meaning that the reason these people detransitioned was almost exclusively because some dickheads bullied them into it. So you see how circular the logic is here. Trans people are pressured to hide who they are by family or friends who think it's a phase, then become a statistic for people to use to prove that being trans is a phase.

Ultimately, the anti-trans contingent has no choice but to rely on these shoddy studies and bad logic from weirdos or people they're misinterpreting, because as it turns out, the not-flawed data shows that transitioning is good, actually. Wow. If you look at that, giving trans teens access to gender-affirming care has been shown to decrease the likelihood of depression by 60% and decrease the odds of suicidality by as much as 73%. I don't know about you, but I personally think it's awesome

when teenagers don't kill themselves. Just a weird thing about me, other people who don't want teens to kill themselves and support transitioning, are such groups as the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychiatric Association, and also the American Psychological Association, as well as the American Academy of Child

and Adolescent Psychiatry, and the American Medical Association. I know we're in a post-trust world, but I trust those groups more than a smattering of misinterpreted studies, conservative docudramas, distraight doctors, or fantasy authors posting their idle hate on X, the everything transphobic app. Even comparative meta-analyses of all the existing studies

point to a rate of regret or desistance well below 5% among youth who access gender-affirming care, which is less than 90%. But I'm not, that lawyer will eventually talk about it, I promise we're gonna talk about her, who access gender-affirming care, which is less than 90%. But I'm not that lawyer we'll eventually talk about. I promise we're going to talk about her. But I'm not her, so what do I know, you know? For now, it's hard to say for sure how many detransitioners are really out there.

Data on trans health care is frustratingly limited. It's almost like no one is looking into it for some reason. Instead, a major nation like England will release something like the CAS Review, a 2024 report that was used in justifying laws aimed at limiting trans health care. What's kind of wild about the CAS Review is that while it's being used to uphold bans on puberty blockers, the report itself doesn't really come down hard one way or another. You ever get an argument when someone's like just talking and they're not really saying anything,

but they're just arguing at you? That's this. The key findings are just a series of written shrugs such as, quote, the strengths and weaknesses of the evidence based on the care of children and young people are often misrepresented and overstated, both in scientific publications and social debate.

That statement literally cancels itself out, right? Sometimes these strengths and weaknesses are exaggerated. Okay, the strongest stance it does take is on puberty blockers, saying, the rationale for early puberty suppression remains unclear, with weak evidence regarding the impact on gender dysphoria, mental or psychosocial health. The effect on cognitive and psychosexual development remains unknown."

Which again, isn't very strongly stated. Ultimately, all it really says is that medical practitioners should be careful when transitioning teenagers – a thing they already are being. Like here's a direct quote from the CAS review. The option to provide masculinizing slash feminizing hormones from age 16 is available, but the review would recommend an extremely cautious clinical approach. There should be a clear clinical rationale for providing hormones at this stage rather than waiting until an individual reaches 18. So, okay.

It's not saying it should be banned, just that we should be careful, you know, like from a clinical approach. Cool, that's fine, good, let's keep doing that. There's a recent Yale report that does a very good job of breaking down the problems with the CAS review, and so I'd like to just run through some points from that. For starters, they noted that the language used in the review was rather pseudoscientific, relying on words like weak and poor without creating hard definitions of those terms. It also seemed ignorant of how other areas of pediatric medicine functioned.

They cite a quote from Dr. Kass saying, I can't think of any other situation where we give life-altering treatments and don't have enough understanding about what's happening to those young people in adulthood. And then they point out that we do that all the time. Pediatricians give all kinds of treatments to children, surgeries, medications, body alterations, without knowing how that is going to affect them into adulthood. And a lot of the CAS review starts from incorrect premises like that.

One of the things it repeatedly asserts is that there is an uptick of teens identifying as trans that can't be explained simply by more kids feeling comfortable being out. They call this rise exponential. But as the Yale report points out, they aren't using that word correctly. You can't just use that word.

It means something. And as you can see, that rise clearly plateaus. Also, the data they are using aren't of teens transitioning. The CAS review is actually saying there's a rise in referrals to the UK's gender identity service. That doesn't mean those referrals lead to treatment. Ultimately, the problem with the Cass review comes from this quote from Yale. The review does not consider the most likely explanation for why most youth who receive early supportive interventions continue on to gender-affirming hormone therapy. That they are indeed transgender. It is not social transition and puberty-pausing medications that drive

a persistent transgender identity. It is a transgender identity that drives social transition and subsequent medical interventions." That kind of says it all. And it's what I'm saying to you, the 56% of Americans who allegedly don't know a trans person. It's not trans lunacy contagion that needs to be eradicated. They are indeed transgender. The CAS review and a lot of pseudo scientific reports like it are starting from the idea that a person can't simply be transgender,

that it must be caused by some outside factor. And they're trying to pin down what that is. And they've especially glommed onto the fact that there is a small percentage of people who do regret transitioning. There's no denying that this happens. So when the show continues, we will get into what the actual percentage of people who de-transition is, why they do it, and how they feel about it afterward.

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Wow, we're back! And we're good, and we're going to talk about some regrets. We all have them. I regret telling Katie that we have the same blood type. And before the break, we mentioned that there are people who have absolutely transitioned and then de-transitioned. And we were wondering, we mentioned that there are people who have absolutely transitioned and then detransitioned. And we were wondering, aloud, why? Not that it's really our business, but it seems like our government has forced it to

be. That's weird. For starters, as we keep pointing out, the number of people who have detransitioned is already very small. Just ask the CAST review, which notes that in one analysis of 3,306 patients in the UK, fewer than 10 detransitioned. That's a detransition rate of 0.3%. But why do those people detransition? What about regret? Well, the number of people who detransitioned specifically out of regret is also shockingly small. According to a 2021 meta-analysis, less than 1% of participants in gender-affirming surgery

regretted it. For context, the regret rate for successful knee surgery is 2.9%, which you may recognize as more than 1%. Gender-affirming surgery has a lower regret rate than almost any other elective surgery. Even the CAS review acknowledges it in the most hilarious way. Direct quote, For birth-registered females, the impact of testosterone will give a higher sex drive than they might have experienced during their biological puberty, and after one year will

result in robust increases in muscle mass and strength. In the absence of any experience as an adult cis woman, they may have no frame of reference to cause them to regret or detransition. In other words, their explanation for why trans men don't regret transitioning is because they have cool muscles and fuck real good and like it. Their reason for why they don't regret it is because they don't regret it. They're too busy enjoying the decision they made. So what is the fucking problem? There's a reason most decent insurances, if you can call any insurance decent,

cover at least some aspects of transition, because it is a necessary and often life-saving procedure that literally no one would embark upon willy-nilly because they binged a season of transparent and got carried away. And so, no, the vast majority of people don't regret it. That said, there are other reasons someone might detransition. For example, external factors like pressure from a parent or other family member, difficulty finding a job or pressure from an employer, or straight-up harassment and discrimination. The world is, as you might be aware, not as kind to trans people as, say, hero on the

Hudson's Sully Sullenberger. The trans writer of this episode has asked me to share their unique and hard-won insight that being trans suck sometimes. That's not an argument for making it harder to transition. It's an argument for making the world easier to live in for trans people, which seems obvious, but I guess it is not. The last big argument the anti-trans throng likes to make is that regardless of what detransition rates may be currently, trans kids aren't actually trans.

They're being tricked by social media trends, by ill-meaning teachers and doctors, gender activists, dark wizards, and so on. Even self-described lifelong liberals like New York Times columnist Pamela Paul will go right the fuck on and publish 4,500 word op-eds riddled with factual errors and baseless claims about trans kids they know nothing about. Pam uses a lot of the same misinformation we've already covered, but the thing I want to highlight is her claim that gender dysphoria is some kind of trend or social contagion. Quote, Others refer to this phenomenon, with some controversy, as rapid onset gender dysphoria, in which adolescents, particularly tween and teenage girls, express gender dysphoria despite never having done so when they were younger. She cites this study as the source for that,

sorry, this redacted study. It was redacted because it pulled, without consent, results of a survey on a site called parentsofrogdkids.com. That site is self-described as a group of parents whose children have suddenly, seemingly out of the blue, decided they identify strongly with the opposite sex. So right away, this is not very scientific at all. They literally have no confirmation

of who is posting on that site. This is also a very common talking point. It's something that J.K. Rowling also brought up in her blog post a few years back. She quoted a researcher named Lisa Littman who said, Parents online were describing a very unusual pattern of transgender identification where multiple friends and even entire friend groups became transgender identified at the same time. I would have been remiss had I not considered social contagion and peer influences as potential factors. So, are you noticing a pattern in this evidence?

In both cases, the proof that becoming trans is a social contagion, and that entire friend groups are suddenly and without warning becoming trans, is the parents, or sometimes anonymous people claiming to be parents online. And here's a question. Did you tell your parents everything you were doing or thinking or feeling when you were doing or thinking or feeling it?

It's such a clear flaw in their reasoning, such oblivious academic oversight to assume that these kids would inform their parents the moment they started questioning their gender. It's like posting on a forum, "'My son came out to me as gay, "'but I've never seen him kiss a boy before. "'Are his friends tricking him into thinking he's gay?'

I'm not the only one who is pointing this out, as the freaking Journal of Pediatrics did as well. Like, if your kid's friend group suddenly all came out as trans, it's not because they were enthralled by a gay Nosferatu, but more likely they all knew they were trans, gravitated towards each other, and then had the support system

to come out around the same time. It's so obvious unless you choose to be a fucking alien about it. I can't really stress enough how bad faith and obtuse these people are. Going back to Pamela Paul's opinion piece, she claims that if anyone speaks out against gender affirming care,

they are automatically labeled a bigot. Her example is a marriage therapist named Stephanie Winn, who as she puts it, spoke out in favor of approaching gender dysphoria in a more considered way. And then was attacked by the woke mob. What? It's, they're so intolerant.

How dare people get mad at this lady for, let's see, let's see, suggesting that we should give trans masculine people estrogen and that dysphoric children should be treated with acupuncture so they can see how they like having needles put in them with the hopes that the child's hatred of needles could help spark desistance. That's wrong.

I don't know, call me woke, but if someone is wrong and bad about something, bark desistance. Ah, that's wrong. I don't know, call me woke. But if someone is wrong and bad about something, I think it's fine to not listen to them. Like saying that a child should be treated with acupuncture to make them hate needles is stupid, right? Not only is it cruel and weird and not the considered idea that was claimed to be,

but it also just completely misunderstands acupuncture. If anything, successful acupuncture would make someone more comfortable with needles, right? No acupuncturist is out there saying, oh yeah, we just stab you full of needles. It hurts and everyone hates it. Highly recommend. This is just something an ignorant person would say.

And she claims that it's just a thought experiment, but she discusses it like it's a good idea that you should try. But it's a thought experiment, but you could try it and it could work, but it's a thought experiment that I like. It's weird and it's very clear that this is all just the musings of random people

with absolutely no medical background. Like, Pamela Paul isn't a doctor. That she's made very clear. And she either cites redacted studies or one-on-one interviews with detransitioners that she uses to make broad points. And I guess the only thing left to ponder is that which we always ponder. Is she stupid or a liar? What side of the propaganda is she on?

Is she pitching or catching? A true believer? Is she being paid? Is she a subby top or a dommy bottom, is my point. And not just her. Like, Pamela Paul was married to Brett Stevens, so she's probably just nuts from all the bedbugs. But there is this whole ecosystem

of personalities who are very concerned with the personal lives of trans kids they will never meet. Some of them, like Pamela and her ex-husband, are probably just doing it to sustain a home built on viral op-eds. Like, wow, they were married, do they have kids? Can we do a wellness check on those hypothetical kids?"

But while what Pamela does is absolutely insidious, it is but a toad's fart compared to some of the mechanisms at play behind this influx in anti-trans propaganda. And to explain that, we're going to go back to those detransitioning documentaries and the fact that of course, of course, every accusation is always a confession. This is all coming from the top, the major corporations, governments, politicians. You have a pipeline. It's also in the education system. Look, maybe somewhere there is a secret cabal of high school teachers trying to make your

kids trans. But they're not doing a great job of it. What I do know is there absolutely is a top-down effort to demonize trans people for political purposes. As we mentioned at the start of this, all of these docs tend to feature the same people. That's not a coincidence. A select few of these detransitioned people have seemingly become the conservative A-team of fake experts traveling from state to state to advocate for blanket bans on gender-affirming care. The core crew consists of Sorin Aldaco, Prisha Mosley, and Chloe Cole, as well as a few other

bit players here and there. Aldaco testified back in 2023 as part of an effort to ban gender-affirming care for minors in Texas, a bill which passed and has since joined a number of other state bills slowly making their way up to the Supreme Court, where they will surely be heard by a fair and impartial court and ruled on without bias. Please don't fact check me on that. Prisha Mosley, who has spoken at hearings in five different states, almost exclusively compares gender-affirming surgeries to lobotomies, an obviously dangerous mischaracterization

of the transgender community. And we, of course, can't forget Chloe Cole, the Professor X of XY Chromosome Enforcement. She regularly guests on Fox News and travels all across the country to advocate for bans on gender-affirming care. Cole is so influential with her advocacy work that a Wyoming lawmaker named his bill to ban transition care for minors Chloe's Law. Great stuff, truly awesome.

Chloe also made headlines recently after her testimony in a case against Kaiser, the insurance company that covered her gender-affirming surgery before she de-transitioned, went viral. And while these people are young, and perhaps we'll eventually realize that what they're doing is misguided and terrible for so many people.

The real stars here are the people behind the scenes. And it was not disclosed to her family or to her that, for example, teenage transitioners desist from transition at a 80 to 90% rate that the majority of people who go through this regret it later on. Hey, it's that clip from before where they say the wrong thing that is false.

And it's those people who keep showing up because now we have to talk about the woman speaking on the right. That's Harmeet Dhillon, an attorney who is very selective about the cases she chooses to take on. Very selective and specific and kind of random. Like, you know how there are normally entertainment lawyers or bird lawyers?

Dylan seems to be a jack of all trades. She represented Andy Noe when he was allegedly attacked during a protest, probably for being a fascist propagandist with a fake British accent or lying about where a hammer came from. So like, she's an injury lawyer. Well, she also sued UC Berkeley

for canceling an Ann Coulter speech. Okay, okay, so freedom of speech. Okay, but she also led a bunch of lawsuits against the COVID shutdown, so she's pro getting sick. Oh, she also represented Tucker Carlson in a discrimination lawsuit. So okay, she's a bad person. It's so obvious now.

She's a bad right-wing ghoul who specifically uses the law to push far-right ideology and protect, in some cases, Nazis, like overtly so. Like weird that anyone would take what she says seriously, but good news because Harmeet is most likely not going to be running all of these lawsuit scams anymore now that she's been nominated to head the DOJ Civil Rights Division.

Yay. Person who thinks trans people are fake and a menace civil rights division. But sure, go off about how trans ideology is a top-down conspiracy starting with our government. Anyway, this isn't the only way that these detransitioners are directly connected to obvious right-wing strategists and the fucking president.

All three of the detransitioners I talked about are propped up by the Independent Women's Forum, a non-profit conservative advocacy group that pushes anti-trans messaging and policy around the country. You might have seen their Women's Bill of Rights that they spammed all over social media during the midterms. To hear them say it, they are basically a PR firm for conservatives to reach out to the same groups their policies often screw over. We bridge the perception gap about conservatives, countering stereotypes, rebranding conservatives and growing the movement.

We bridge the persuasion gap with non-conservatives winning over women, moderates, millennials and minorities. And we bridge the messaging gap on challenging issues, turning liabilities into assets." Yes, they bridge the gap between conservative talking points and, you know, reality. Like, what a lie might do. And for bridging the gap, the IWF has received millions of dollars in funding from various dark money groups and corporations looking to influence voters.

This includes Walmart, Amway, multiple gas and petroleum companies, fucking Betsy DeVos' husband, and of course several nonprofits run by Mr. Leonard Leo himself. Remember him? He's the former VP of the Federalist Society who handpicked Donald Trump's Supreme Court nominations.

We talked all about him. Dude is like a skull and bone snooty brandy-drinking law pervert and career Republican operative, and he's given the Independent Women's Forum millions of dollars. Doesn't really seem like this is actually about women, does it? So their playbook is simple.

The IWF recruits these women to push the message that gender-aff affirming care is dangerous and transgenderism is fake. And then other groups like the Alliance Defending Freedom tag in to file amicus briefs to challenge state and federal laws that protect trans people from discrimination. It's a playbook that the ADF constantly uses

to go after all sorts of progressive legislation, including gay marriage and abortion. They've just locked onto a new target. After all, no better way to bridge the gap between conservatives and minorities than to demonize an even smaller group of minorities. Often these women are getting paid or taking in appearance fees

for being willing to speak out against the trans ideology. In other cases, they'll go after detransitioned individuals who haven't expressed anti-trans beliefs and try to pressure them into speaking out anyway. Elisa Rae Shoup is a trans woman who was actually the first person in America to receive legal recognition for being non-binary. When she detransitioned back to being a cis man in 2019,

she was bombarded with emails by the ADF and adjacent groups. They eventually recruited her to file an amicus brief to the Supreme Court claiming that she was not transgender, but suffered a mental confusion about her gender. Shoup has since reclaimed her trans identity and denounced the anti-trans movement, claiming they used her story to push for conversion therapy. Probably because that's what they did.

They are, can't stress it enough, doing the thing they claim is happening. Their claim is that transgender people are young people being manipulated into believing in ideology by outside political forces taking advantage of their confusion. And to fight this, they are recruiting confused young people to go on TV and risk their entire reputations for an ideology, one that is rooted in politics and not any concern for the well-being of children. As the IWF specifically states, they are trying to make conservatism more appealing to minorities, and they have figured out that the trans issue

is a really good way to do that. And they know, they know it's not actually a problem. Just ask diaper pervert, Matt Walsh. How many people have had this done? Depends on what, I don't think we have exact numbers, but if we're talking about the drugs, I mean, millions. You're talking about hormone blockers. Yeah. Mill millions Do you talk about human hormone blockers? Yeah millions of kids have been on hormone blockers really This is over the last five years there were at least

4780 adolescents who started puberty blockers and at a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis This says it's kind of undercounted, but that's That would be a big oncounting. Less than a thousand people a year. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I would guess hundreds of thousands, but I could be wrong. He could be wrong, cool. Matt Walsh, if you don't know,

has devoted his entire career to demonizing the trans community and made a whole documentary about it and has spoken out continuously against teenagers getting hormones, but could be wrong. Shruggies, who can say? Kinda odd, right? That the guy who claims to be really deep into the issue

never bothered to like, look up how many teens are actually taking puberty blockers. Well, heck, Matt, I'll look it up for you. Let me get out my invisible computer. Close all the Family Guy porn. So much porn. I'm gonna bing it. Binging.

Binging. Binging. Oh look! According to new research from JAMA Pediatrics, the total number of youths diagnosed with gender dysphoria in America is less than 18,000. And of those 18,000, less than 1000 accessed puberty blockers. Boy, that is way fewer than a million, isn't it, Matt?

Less than 1000 youths. That is such a small fraction of the US population that I'm not gonna even calculate it. Actually, you know what? I got my invisible computer right here. So let me just, okay. Oh, that is 0.00029859659599881% of the US population that Matt has devoted his career to, and the GOP and freaks like JK Rowling are going on a crusade against. Seems weird. You'd think

that would be the first thing these people would look into. It's almost like this Matt Walsh fellow and these other concerned folks don't actually care about the data. And it's just so freaking odd they are allowed to speak on this issue at all. Why is that when the science against trans people is so obviously and proudly junk? Why are so many people, including liberals, just ignoring that?

When it's so clearly just one more minority and a long line of minorities being constantly scapegoated, why do people still somehow fall for it? Well, after the break, we'll talk about that. Try to pin your gender down for just a minute longer and we will be right back. Careful, it's a squirmer. Yeah.

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with demonizing transgender people when it's clearly just a ruse. I mean, for starters, for a lot of people, it's personal. Look no further than Elon Musk, right? Over the course of a few years, he has gone full on Nazi. And that began with his public transphobia, which just so happens to coincide with his daughter coming out as trans

and ending communication with him. So I guess this video is also for the 44% of Americans who do know a trans person. Plenty of outspoken transphobes have stories like this. Perhaps a family member came out as trans and that bothered them, know a trans person. Plenty of outspoken transphobes have stories like this. Perhaps a family member came out as trans and that bothered them, or a woman they thought looked too manly tied for fifth place in a sports match,

or to be frank, they're just weirded out by it. Transphobes feel the pressing need to dress it up with bullshit rhetoric and terrible statistical analysis, but at the end of the day, they're just kind of grossed out by trans people, or rather they're grossed out by stuff they don't quite understand. Before trans people, it was gay people.

Before gay people, it was non-white people. And of course, for many, it still is. But this EU factor is why the conversation about these groups is always framed around the same worries, such as bathrooms. But whatever their reasons, they clearly don't actually care about the children, because if they did,

they'd care about them not committing suicide. I, for one, am a big fan of children, and as I keep saying, I love when they don't commit suicide. It's so cute when they don't do that. And yes, Tidal Monkey, you can quote me on that. I love wind children. Suicide. Cody Johnston. Perfect, thanks a million. So that said, there are other and more complicated reasons behind a lot of transphobia. For example, have you noticed that so many transphobic arguments are about

protecting women? That's interesting. And it doesn't matter if they are talking about trans men or trans women, too. Like, no one ever speaks out about trans men in men's bathrooms, do they? Why is it only about trans women in women's bathrooms? And when they do speak out about trans men, it's framed around top surgery and testosterone. Have you noticed that? It's certainly what Rowling is talking about in all of her various screeds. And it's what people like Pamela Paul and Abigail Schreier mostly hammer home too.

You don't see a lot of uproar about boys facing irreversible damage, which is odd because when we look at the data, we see that actually trans women are more likely to de-transition than trans men. So if the anti-trans squad was really concerned about maximizing harm reduction, you'd think they'd be hooting and hollering

about protecting boys a lot more, but they don't. What they do instead is frame trans women as predators, men posing as women in order to abuse women. It's almost like there's some kind of system that categorizes and values people based on their ability to fulfill their reproductive roles in society. And in that system, men are seen as physically more disposable, while women are treated like prized jewels whose worth is defined by the men around them and their ability to be desired by those men. As French philosopher and feminist Simone de Beauvoir put it, man defines woman not herself, but as relative to him. Nice, good quote.

Actually kind of says what I just said, but more succinctly and in a more powerful way. Who's this Beauvoir dude? We should get him to write for us. But to put it even more simply, transphobes tend to think that all trans women are male rapists and all trans men are precious fragile little flowers being brainwashed and mutilated by gender ideology, victims of a transition that has stripped them of the one thing that gives them value, that puss, them ovs. But honestly, it goes even deeper, the misogyny and transphobia, not that puss. As I already said before trans people, it was gay people and so on. There has always been a weird need to scapegoat someone

often around the idea of protecting women or kids. And so there's likely a larger psychology at work. In their new book, Who's Afraid of Gender, trans theorist Judith Butler posits that, to those that oppose it, gender has become a phantasm with destructive powers, one way of collecting and escalating multitudes of modern panics.

They argue that conservatives, like everyone else, live in today's world and are just as freaked out by all the shit going on as the rest of us. Climate change, various genocides, the slow decay from late stage neoliberal capitalism, David Zaslav. It's really not looking great out here, folks. Butler argues that gender has become a convenient scapegoat,

a catchall for all the problems conservatism is incapable of acknowledging and a singular boogeyman to blame. I would go one step further and say this applies to the broad idea of wokeness, and extend it not just to conservatives, but any politician protecting wealth. It's so much easier to blame the woke military, or woke Hollywood, or woke scientists, or secret government gender communists, than to actually deal with real problems. Just look at how we talk about immigration.

Right-wing ghouls will point to something like Springfield, Ohio's hospital system supposedly being overwhelmed with Haitian migrants, and then blame the migrants, not the fact that perhaps our healthcare system should be strong enough to handle an influx of non-English speakers. If you're ever in doubt, think of it like this.

There has never been a time in history where the problem was caused by a minority group of people like this. There has never been a time in history where the problem was caused by a minority group of people simply existing. If someone is blaming a systemic problem on some vague ideology like wokeness or the inclusion of queer or brown people, they are probably ignoring the actual cause, or worse, purposefully covering it up,

or even more worse, they probably like the cause and think it's good, actually, and think that we should go back to the time where we could openly celebrate that thing. And right now, transphobia is giving them that chance. And the worst part is that right now, they're getting it. The Pamela Paul op-ed we talked about earlier has already been cited in an anti-trans legal brief. 26 states have passed total bans on gender-affirming care for minors so far, and that number is only going to grow if the right gets its way. It's like, it's like so bad, you guys. We already talked about a lot of this shit a few years ago,

and it's gotten so much worse somehow not somehow I guess because We know how there are some places your boy leaves the school comes back a girl Okay without parental consent It's just so embarrassingly obvious that Trump sees transphobia as a way to attack the things he wants to attack, such as the Department of Education or just anyone in the government he wants to get rid of. He doesn't actually care about trans people, or rather, he used to support them

being in his beauty pageants, but now one of his awful sons needs to farm likes by asking how we got to the point where transgender women are winning beauty pageants. So now he doesn't care. He doesn't think about them at all. We know that because he has pretty much told us so. It's amazing how strongly people feel about that.

You see, I'm talking about cutting taxes. People go like that. Talking about, talk about transgender. Everyone goes crazy. Who would have thought five years ago you didn't know what the hell it was? This is all to say that going after trans people for Trump and a lot of the GOP

is one of the first steps needed to wedge in all the fascist shit they want to do. And what's particularly disturbing about that is that it's not just conservatives buying it. Liberals, as we've pointed out, are also eating up the slop, all starting with this notion that detransitioning is a major concern that we need

to do something drastic about. It is extremely important, if you're cis, to not buy this garbage and to speak out when someone else repeats this junk science. Direct them to this video, like and subscribe! Speak out against transphobia wherever and whenever you see it. Support and defend the trans people in wherever and whenever you see it.

Support and defend the trans people in your lives, especially trans kids. If they've introspected and they feel a connection to a true self that doesn't match their outer self, at least listen to that. Believe them. Again, if you take just one thing from this video, let it be this. Trans people do exist. They're not a fake ideology, and it's hard to overstate just how impactful even one supportive adult figure can be to a young person who's struggling to come to terms

with their identity. And if you're a trans teen, why are you watching this? Go watch that skibbity Mr. Beast or whatever teens are into. Give yourself a break. Hang out with your friends. Hang in there. The world might feel like it's out to get you right now, and that's because in many ways it is.

But building community and solidarity with each other is ultimately the only path forward, and living your authentic truth is worth it. Only you can discover that truth for yourself. If you feel the need, reach out to local queer groups or start your own. Support your friends and loved ones in their journeys and try to build lasting structures

that can help you serve as mutual aid to each other. Get a mullet. I hear mullets are back. And you know, just be excellent to each other. Like in Bill and Ted, but without the casual homophobia. Remember that? Remember that about Bill and Ted? That's why they went to hell, you know.

They also killed cats. ["The Star-Spangled Banner"] Just like those Haitians killed them and ate them. Bill and Ted are in Springfield, Ohio eating, they're eating the pets, they're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs. God, did they follow up on that? I don't think they cared actually. I think they made it up and just like,

we're like, well, we did that for a week. Now we don't care. They're the president and the vice president now. Are they doing anything about the people eating pets in Springfield? I don't think so. I think it might've been fake. It was fake.

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