Some More News - The Rogan-Peterson Experience, The Re-Breyer-Ment, and Elon More News

Episode Date: January 28, 2022

Hi. Zack Bornstein (@ZackBornstein) joins Katy and Cody to talk about turning the 6-3 conservative nightmare Supreme Court into a....6-3 conservative nightmare Supreme Court. Plus, they chat about the 4.5-hour conversation between Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan, a Tennessee County banning "Maus" in schools, and why you should probably not let Elon Musk put a computer chip in your brain. Support SOME MORE NEWS: http://www.patreon.com/SomeMoreNews We now have a MERCH STORE! Check it out here: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/somemorenews Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/some-more-news/id1364825229 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6ebqegozpFt9hY2WJ7TDiA?si=5keGjCe5SxejFN1XkQlZ3w&dl_branch=1 Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/show/even-more-news Athletic Greens is going to give you an immune-supporting FREE 1 year supply of Vitamin D AND 5 free travel packs with your first purchase if you visit http://athleticgreens.com/morenews today. Again, simply visit http://athleticgreens.com/morenews to take control of your health and give AG1 a try. Right now, when you purchase a 3-month Babbel subscription, you'll get an additional 3 months for FREE. That's 6 months, for the price of 3! Just go to http://BABBEL.com and use promo code MORENEWS. That's B-A-B-B-E-L dot com, code MORENEWS. Babbel—Language for life.  Right now Trade Coffee is offering a total of $20 off your first three bags when you go to http://drinktrade.com/morenews. Follow us on social media! Twitter: https://twitter.com/SomeMoreNews Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/SomeMoreNews/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SomeMoreNews/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somemorenews  Support the show!: http://patreon.com.com/somemorenewsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey hello welcome back to even more news the first and only news podcast my name is katie stole that's so true it's your name and what the show is hi i'm cody johnston name wise hey cody johnston name wise and joining us today for the first time writer director comedian zach bornstein hello how are you hello hi very well we're doing great my dog is crying a lot in the other room he heard me start to talk and just lost his shit i feel bad about it but it's too late man he heard you say that his nude pot his news podcast isn't valid well once he starts actually releasing it, then maybe there would be another news show, but until then, he's

just talking about it. We could publish it. Whining about it. We've got the bandwidth. I want to start off picking it up with the story about your haircut that you were telling us before we began recording, because it sounded like a good one. Yeah, I had... So, until yesterday, I hadn't gotten a haircut in three years. So, this is pre--covid my hair was down like it when it was wet i felt like

it was like slippery eels touching my shoulder blades it was past the clavicles it was rough everyone in my life was telling me i look terrible but i was sticking it out. A point of clarification. This had been going on pre-COVID. This was just a choice. Pre-COVID for a little bit. But I mean, COVID's been a while at this point. It has. Yeah, it's been like a couple of years. It sure has.

Would you say that maybe pre-COVID, like your last haircut was like kind of where you're at now? Yes. Yeah. Okay. And then the reason I ended up doing the slice finally, besides everyone telling me they couldn't bear looking at my face anymore, was I was out to dinner the other night and it was an anniversary dinner.

So we wanted to go out and I was so nervous about COVID. I was like, you know what? We'll book a table outside. Okay, we got it. Okay. Is it going to be crowded? You know what? It was like kind of far away from everyone.

Everything's safe. Everything's good. I go to pay the check at the end and there's my hair's uh hanging down and there's a candle on the table and i just start hearing this crackling like those like wood wick candles and then this horrible stink and then this bright light and the whole left side of my hair had burst into flames and i like went and started patting it out and uh luckily got it out quickly everyone's looking so i i've been worried about covid this whole time when the only thing i needed to worry about was lighting my entire head on fire i like when you said that you got before we were recording he said he got a haircut and it felt much safer and that's what i wanted to explore and now we understand what and yes

welcome to long hair life it is treacherous it has its hazards i thought like maybe it got caught in like a fan or something normal i used to keep my hair really short been growing it out pandemic enjoying it but yeah i mean i smoke weed and every so often i'll be like what is that smell oh i've i've singed myself and just a little bit of hair smell burnt is bad it's so stinky i couldn't i shampooed it like i took took shower after shower could not get the burnt hair smell out i don't know if you guys have ever you know burnt hair a bunch but it's not recommended not to that sense yeah opposite of a commercial do not burn hair my wife recently got her hair burnt hair a bunch, but not recommended. Opposite of a commercial. Do not burn hair. My wife recently got her hair caught on fire

and it smelled like burnt hair for like a week. Keep it in. Did it seem like half a haircut? How much burned off? Actually, probably a solid inch. I mean, I needed probably over a foot off, but it was a good start. I did, I needed probably over a foot off,

but it was a good start. I did part of the barber's job. Yeah, you helped them out. But now you can't donate it for a wig or something. Oh, well. Yeah, they don't like charred hair as much at Locks for Love. They like fresh locks, not the charred remains. One more point of discussion before we get to news getting

to know you you are a writer how has this pandemic been how is the i'm assuming you've been working in writers rooms or meeting over zoom has this been is this a welcome change do you see this being the future of tv writing it's interesting because at first i did not like it because the timing was all wrong because you know in writers rooms it's so much about building and building and building and you know jumping on what someone else said to add a punch line and they jump back into yours to build it more and blah blah the timing was weird because if one person glitches for a moment or showrunner like their thing goes out for a moment there's also just fatigue too that like you know there's the zoom fatigue of people just couldn't

be on for more than a couple hours eventually i hate to say it but i kind of love it now the like fatigue thing is also like now days are nice and short and you get to just focus on writing i also love hate how much i love this when you have the zoom and you're talking jokes but you also have the text the like chat yeah on the side it's like you have like a group chat and so if you have written jokes at the same time you've got like almost this dual like like this double stream going so i love that you're keeping your brain engaged in multiple arenas here exactly and and uh and i also weirdly love pitching in on zoom because i've i've had the i've i've had better luck

selling stuff than ever on zoom because i think it's because you can have your like you almost have like a teleprompter so it looks like you're looking at the camera still whereas in person you're like doing like an eighth grade you know science report you're like looking down at your paper and then well and then there's the nerves when you're driving across town you're gonna go wait outside someone's office and then you're brought in and you're taking out a chunk of their day when maybe they're late and half paying attention this is very different you've got you're surrounded by comforting objects and when you're done you can go like have a bite of ice cream from the freezer or whatever. Yeah, you're saying stuff.

A lot of my writer friends have had similar journeys of like, can't imagine doing this. Can't see him. Imagine this being productive. But then all of a sudden, it's not like they've written on a show that was half in person, half on Zoom. Now they've done entire shows over zoom and actually have built relationships uh and figured out how to communicate in this medium and yeah it saves a lot of time and energy yeah it's maybe more efficient the one thing i really

miss though are lunch bits yeah because i feel like those actually really they often weirdly make like lunch bits make it onto the show of like just when you're fucking around at lunch and you have something so dumb that ends up being like it just spirals out of control and you're all convinced that it's actually a good bit when it makes no sense in the context but it makes it onto the show anyway i love a lunch bit you know yeah there's an element uh because i i do agree with a lot of the stuff you're talking about but there is an element of like being in the same room and not like because you're on a zoom you're like we're gonna focus on this we have to figure this out we do this as opposed to like we're all kind of like

fucking around in the office and natural things like that come up uh that wouldn't otherwise so there's like some magical element i think that is missing but largely yeah i mean fucking around is like such a big part of like i don't know good creative stuff yeah and writing in general i mean but i will also say to this point about having the chat going in the zoom before we started i was talking about being pretty add and how in my dream world i'd be walking around my house doing this podcast fidgeting you know carrying you around with me maybe i'll get a headset i don't know but i i i just had a flash to being in actual in-person meetings and feeling really restless because i didn't know where to put all my energy. But when you have the Zoom, you can. You can do the chat.

You can talk. You've got a few more things. Anyway, we've solved it all, guys. We've unpacked this. You know what? There's nothing bad about technology. It's pure good and made of love. No notes.

Well, not for right now. Maybe later in the show. Yeah, maybe we'll talk about that. We'll be talking about some stuff. But first up, I would like to talk about the big news this week one of the big news this week justice stephen breyer is retiring at the end of the court's current term ensuring that joe biden should be able to fill his vacancy before we inevitably lose control of the Senate. And this will perhaps

be the single most positive thing that Justice Breyer has done in his 30-year tenure, specifically retiring and for Biden to be able to do this. He's currently the oldest member of the court at 83. Activists have been encouraging him to retire since biden's inauguration provided we keep this which i hope we should be able to do we will maintain the six to three uh balance fuck that's so good yeah maintaining six to three yes we did it that's like a while time jonathan thank you jonathan does such a great job putting our notes together. And he put this question. It's like, is this good news?

It's like best case scenario. We're as far down as we already were. Yeah. And that's as everything goes according to plan. Right. Exactly. Yeah. It's like a lateral dig.

You're in a hole. And you're like, we're going to make the hole wider yeah we're not we're not going lower we're widening the hole it's it's also just such a bummer like yeah we should be able to get this done although actually even though i know we are fully capable of getting somebody nominated and confirmed uh i feel nervous i feel kind of like we passed the football to charlie brown and and there's no telling what'll happen but i i am i do believe that it'll be fine but i can't help it wait in the in the analogy lucy is handing the football to charlie brown she's not doing a place kick. And then she's just got it. He's just holding it.

Are you calling me out on my Charlie Brown? No, I was trying to figure out the analogy because usually it's like Lucy holds the football and then pulls it up. Yeah, in this analogy, we gave it to Charlie and there's no fucking telling what's going to happen because we're off the grid now, man. It is off the grid.

There is no contingency for when Charlie Brown is off the grid. There is no contingency for what Charlie Brown has handed the football. Yeah, no. He might not run in the right direction, but yeah. It's, yeah, okay, good news. We can maintain this terrible ratio. And all the conservatives are like 25,

so I think it could be a little while. It's true, right? He nominated a couple preteens up there. Things to note, up until 2017, 60 Senate votes were required to confirm a Supreme Court justice, but we remember that being nuked in 2017

to nominate Neil Gorsuch. So thank you, our Republican friends, for being a friend. I don't think that he'll have a hard time passing, from what I understand. You know, even Cinema and Mansion have... Probably not. You know, voted yes on...

Yeah, they seem to, like... It's the legislation that they have a problem with, not the, like, judicial appointments that have been going on. I find that they always find new ways to surprise me with how much they suck, though. So I'm not going to I'm always I'm impressed, just like the sheer creativity to find new ways to shoot themselves in the foot. So it's definitely possible.

One might even say probable, unfortunately. And a very important part of this is that Biden has committed on the campaign trail that he would nominate a black woman to Supreme Court and reiterated that on Thursday, which is exciting. That's great. And here are some of the names being floated. Real quick. I just have to say, I think it's very funny. Like, this is an issue for people on the right. And like wokeness, the representation, and all that kind of stuff. Ronald Reagan pledged that he would nominate a woman to the Supreme Court when he was running, and then he did. Good tidbit.

Good little tidbit for anybody who likes to, I don't know. anybody who likes to i don't know are they arguing that he should have just nominated a black woman like nominated who he was going to nominate but not made a big deal about it is that what i think it's just like don't uh yeah like because to them it means like oh you're gonna nominate an unqualified person just because of their race where it's like well no they're all gonna be qualified people i think that's what right i didn't know if they were being just straight up racist or if they were being like definitely calling it out as wokeness you know that whole thing probably uh but right now the front runners katanji brown jackson a member of the u.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. The current Senate confirmed her to that post just last year, which is a good sign.

You know, they didn't have too many issues with her. She was confirmed by Susan Collins, Lindsey Graham, and Lisa Murkowski. They're all extremely qualified, and it's crazy. I mean, especially if you look at, like, you know, Amy Coney Barrett was, like, still in law school, and Kavanaugh's only recommendation was from, like, Squee. So I feel like we're already, like, leagues ahead of... And, like, all the people that he's nominating are, like,

already judges and, like, have a ton of experience. So anything that's, like, anything from the right saying they're inexperienced or unqualified is just pure racism. There's nothing else to it. Especially if you just have to point to the people that they supported and compare resumes. The other frontrunner name being floated is Leandra Kruger. From my relatively uninformed perspective,

she's my least favorite pick. She's known as a moderate and an incrementalist. And then the other name being floated that I'm just going to mention because it's fun is Kamala Harris as a potential solve to the predicament they have themselves in where I guess they don't like her very much according to news reports.

But that's obviously... Is that just Bill Kristol who's saying that? Because I haven't seen anyone else suggest Kamala. But then people picking up on it and saying it's a fact that nobody likes her, which could very well be true. I saw the kind of like centrist fever dream of Kamala gets nominated and then Biden picks Mitt Romney as his VP to shore up this mythical center. And then Bill Kristol just gets to cream his jeans and everyone's happy.

Yeah, it's such a weird resistance tweet from four years ago. Fox is going to see that and then run with it, even though there's nothing to it. It's the same on the other side of, what if it's Obama, Barack or Michelle? I've seen a lot of that, where it's like, what do you think the government

is? What are you talking about? Probably not Kamala Harris. Also, I feel like a week ago he's uh confirmed he was still gonna have her as his running mate so i feel like nominating obama would be such a beautiful fuck you i mean he might consider it too if he wasn't making like a hundred million dollars recording podcasts with i was gonna say like it doesn't seem like something he would want to do because he's doing alright Yeah he's not gonna

Wave surfing and making TV shows Yeah exactly Get out of here I'm not going back to some Law bullshit Like I really want to go on the Supreme Court and just like lose Every case for the next Exactly That's how you want me to die

The goal of politics is to get presidencies So you can get an overall deal. You don't go back. Exactly, yeah. You're not like, oh, yeah, I love my work in the government. And former princes and stuff like that, too. Although I guess Biden did it. He was like, yeah, I'll fucking be the president, sure.

He didn't have an overall deal. If Hulu had signed him, it wouldn't be in the White House right now. He needed Barack. That was a big mistake if he had that deal. He's not marketable the White House right now. He needed Brock. That was a big mistake. If only he had that deal. He's not marketable on his own, though. He's too sleepy. Yeah, he's too sleepy. You need some of that pizzazz.

You need to balance him out. Hey, just wait until he puts out a show on Paramount+. He's got a little fire under him. Okay, we're going to take a real quick ad break, and then we will be back for even more news. Hey there, you cool sacks. Look at you. Look at how cool you've become.

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uh well he's a silly man um he's a wholly unserious man and i love uh when he talks it's one of those things where like every clip is a gift and every continuation of the conversation that like isn't clipped is also a gift and he's wearing a tux the whole time pretending to pretending like he's a serious man and like there's all these conversations about poverty and like why poor people are like at and stuff and it's like and why poor people are at and stuff. It's wild stuff while wearing a tuxedo. The tux was so... It just looked like that weird high school sophomore who wears his dad's suit to school and has a fedora.

It wasn't even pressed looking. It was like he looked a little rumpled or something. It's not like a sharp tux. It was very film school bad guy. Yeah. There was kind of generic mobster of like whatever suit you could get from like uh you know short films in high school and stuff like that right right right um yeah it's uh like and he's it's funny because like he does this and i know he's doing it because he is trying to present this idea that like well joe rogan is like the new thing like the thing that like people you should

take seriously he's like he's like a rock star he's like Dan Rather he's like all these like he's everything so he wants to present it as though like I gotta wear a tux to go on Joe Rogan this prestigious thing but it just comes off as extremely silly and like yeah like he's in this local

theater production of guys and dolls or whatever um should we play a couple clips if we must yeah just to set off this clip this was the first thing they said right yes this was like within three minutes of the podcast okay and this is of a four and a half hour long podcast four and a half hour we haven't mentioned that yet and that is unbelievable because i will tell you after one hour of this you guys are wonderful i'm done done yeah oh you mean with us watching the thing with anybody oh yeah but also he wants to literally any conversation four and a half hours in this like extraordinary that's got to be the stinkiest room all joe rogan subsists on

is like protein powder and cigars it's got a reek in there and jordan peterson's just meat right yeah just meat and salt water straight up red meat is that true i don't know if he still does it but before we play this i want to share something a friend of mine who is lovely not political in any capacity posted a picture of jordan peterson's book on her instagram page and she goes everybody told me to read this but i don't think i liked it and i was like i'm not gonna say their name i was like honey oh god yeah no you don't like it that's a bad that's a very funny she goes she goes yes he's mean he seemed bad honestly it felt like he was yelling at me the whole book question mark anyway um i thought that's a great window into like yeah just like oh you you haven't been

paying attention at all you sweet summer child good for you for like avoiding this guy and not knowing and then reading it like no context and be like actually this this kind of saying this is good but it is bad anyway he says all the same dumb things that all the conservatives do but he uses like three syllable words so

it like tricks dumb like he's like the what like dumb guys idea of a smart guy. He wears a toxin, uses long words, so they're like, oh, this must be intellectual. Seeing this picture of him in the clip, he doesn't look rumpled so much as it's too small. It's too small.

The giant bow tie. And the giant bow tie. Come on. Meat and salt water water that's like what a seal eats it is and babeson um let's play a clip hard to sort out the climate change one is a weird one so that one that's because there's no such thing as climate right climate and everything are the same word and i that's what bothers me about the climate change types it's like this is something that bothers me about it technically it's like climate is about everything incorrect okay but your models aren't based on everything

correct your models are based on a set number of variables. Yeah. So that means you've reduced the variables, which are everything, to that set. Well, how did you decide which set of variables to include in the equation if it's about everything? Based on decades of science. That's not just a criticism. That's like, if it's about everything, your models aren't right.

It's not. Yeah, correct. Because your models do not and cannot model everything. What do you mean by everything when you say... Okay. models do not and cannot model everything what do you mean by everything when you say okay so this is a perfect uh there's a perfect peterson and rogan moment because i saw that clip and i was like okay that's a good question for joe to want to clarify what do you mean by everything because it's nonsense what he was saying like he's trying to say that like we can't predict everything um

but nobody says like climate means everything and so he joe asked to clarify i ended up listening to about 20 to 30 minutes after this and peterson tries to explain but also doesn't try to explain and he goes into all these sort of like he attempts to make these analogies and like talk about like allegories, like the goat and the frog and all this stuff to explain what he means. But it's all nonsense. And every like five minutes, Joe Rogan says, okay, but like, you know,

the CO2 levels are like measurable. And like, we know that that causes this and this and this. And like, he will just not acknowledge what Joe is saying, which is a very, very light pushback. You can tell for a lot of this conversation that in his mind, he's like, what the fuck are you talking about, man? That's not that's not it. But the thing he tries to do on a show a lot is like, there's not very little pushback.

You're free to talk about whatever. It's the marketplace of ideas and stuff. It's a ridiculous. He's just a ridiculous man. of ideas and stuff um it's a ridiculous he's just a ridiculous man and uh i think we're gonna do a whole episode about this particular we've been promising it for years but it's been a long time it's fascinating but he's back baby he talks about like poor people and like yeah i we'll get we'll get to it we'll get to that yeah he also claims that neither of them are white because they're both tan. Yeah.

Which was a nice little section. We gotta play that one as well. I can play a bit from that section as well. We should, for sure. Here we go. We're gonna spend four and a half hours on this. Yeah, it's just, okay, so real quick, I'm sorry. Before you play this next clip,

because the climate thing, he talks about how we don't know what to do. The whole thing is about how we can't predict everything about how, like, we, you know, we don't know what to do. The whole thing is about how, like, we can't predict everything. Therefore, like, and he doesn't say this part. We should predict nothing. Well, he doesn't say this part. That's the Jordan Peterson trick, is that he makes these sort of, like, descriptive claims and avoids prescriptive claims. So he's like, well, this is the way it is.

But what he really means is, and therefore, we should do nothing nothing and he won't say we should do nothing because he can't um because then joe would be like well that's that's nonsense obviously we gotta do something so he sort of tries to talk about things in a way where he can make these oftentimes just wrong statements and then like step away so you the listener his fans can sort of come to that conclusion because later on he talks about climate change as if it's a real thing that there's stuff to be done about but i don't know if anyone listening thought that that's maybe the opposite of what he was just talking about like he's trying he's trying to discredit it but then he accepts it as fact later on so it's these sort of conflicting things to confuse you and then just be like, well, then don't do anything. Having not listened to all four hours, but having the clips that I

have seen, there is an element of saying something and expecting it to be completely accepted in this format. And if he's not quite getting the reception that he was hoping for, you know, just kind of making it more and more convoluted and oblique and not really having a way to respond. And it's just kind of a tactic in general that you see of just, I mean, gibberish, word salad. That doesn't quite make sense. And so you can't even pick it all apart

because anything that you try to diagram what this part of the sentence means and they can make it be like well that's not what i meant well what the fuck did you mean it's yeah anyway that's my word million dollar conversation yeah we sacrificed neil young for this oh god we'll get to that all right here we go depending on who you ask either you're a voice of reason and rationality and and uh you know personal responsibility or you're a voice of intolerance and bigotry and anger and hateful sexual prejudice dyson call you and mean mean white man yeah and and a mean angry white man hilarious yeah you're not mean at all that's what's dumb about that statement it's you're

not mean at all it's i am white actually that's a lie too i'm kind of tan and he was actually not black he was sort of brown because i'm i'm darker than you. Yeah, yeah. That's ridiculous. But neither of us are white. Well, I'm Italian. And he was brown, not black. Well, isn't that weird? Yeah, it's really weird. The black and white thing is so strange because the shades are so... Tan and brown.

There's such a spectrum of shades of people. Unless you're talking to someone who is like 100% African from the darkest place where they're not wearing any clothes all day. And they've developed all that melanin to protect themselves from the sun Joe Joe I feel bad even if we're gonna have that audio on our

podcast I know I yeah nauseous well there's just so much about it this like ridiculous a a I mean Joe like from the darkest place where they don't wear clothes all day and like it's just so much about it this like ridiculous a a i mean joe like from the darkest place where they don't wear clothes all day and like it's just like yeah you're really dipping into some some racism there um but they know like it's not confusing there's a history in america specifically of like the invention of race and these these distinctions that people made to uh

reinforce slavery for hundreds of years and like that's not you have just a drop of black blood like it's just like none like he and surely they know surely jordan peterson knows that he's not i'm actually quite tan first of all all, no, you're not. Listeners can't see the clip. Truly what standard. He's not tan in that clip. But that's clearly not what people mean. And so it's just one of those like, are you confused?

Or are you just pretending to be confused to obfuscate this whole situation? Infuriating, deeply upsetting nonsense that goes on for four hours. Four and a half. Four and a half. Four and a half, to be fair. That's like the Peter Jackson Blu-ray extended. They actually do a second four and a half hour one with commentary over the whole thing. I hear that they want Zack Snyder to release his original nine hour version

of this whole conversation. Ooh, the drama. I'm not even joking. I would listen to their commentary on this one and a half hour conversation. Oh, I made a great point right there. Really? It's pretty good. It's a pretty good impression. Oh, I look so tan.

Well, no, it's just like there's so much to talk about with this. We don't need to play all the clips and we will revisit this. It's just one of those like he disappeared for a long time for various reasons and now like this is like he's back he's wearing a tux he's on joe rogan and he's still a wholly unserious man and every other sentence you have to stop and go wait a minute man what are you talking about what do you think you're saying here there's a whole section where he talks about how uh poor people like climate change in order to really uh solve climate change you need to get uh poor people out of poverty

because uh the way that like living in poverty is like well you're not really thinking about like the very far future or like your broad environment you're thinking they're also saying they're not contributing enough to right and like and like using using so much energy but like resources but like there's a kernel of truth there where it's like yeah if you're living in poverty you're thinking about like your next meal how you're going to get clothes and food for your kids and things like that you're not thinking about like oh i'm going to invest over like this year like whatever it is a like paycheck to paycheck sort of day-to-day sort of thing but then he taught he uses that again like

talk about like don't do anything and then joe rogan even brings up like well that's why people talk about like wealth redistribution and socialism and things and then he goes off on this whole defense of capitalism because naturally uh if you if you have like 20 people and they have 10 dollars and they randomly trade with each other over Over time, very few people will have all the money. That's just how it works. Therefore, it's fine. He talks about how we need to get poor people

out of poverty, but doesn't actually propose anything to do it. Because to him, it's just like, well, we'll let it happen. We won't do anything. And over time, maybe, but then he makes the point that over time, actually, it doesn't work like that. he even uses monopoly as an example like even in monopoly it happens and jordan peterson i don't know if you know this but monopoly was literally invented by a socialist to point out the flaws in capitalism uh so it's just this this fucking impossible conversation

of this man trying to put forth his ideology without being explicit about it and being wrong over and over so we don't have to keep talking about it i'll shut up but it's just he's so he's so silly yeah but he's wearing a tux it makes it so much better i love it you can't be silly in a tux that That's a serious thing to wear. Ah, yes. I'll just point out. It's impossible to be silly in a tuxedo. Have you seen Dumb and Dumber? That's a good point.

That's fucking awesome. Yeah. I would love if you wore one of those. Add to this, that actual point about needing to pull people up out of poverty was actually making a point about how to make the planet sustainably green and talking about climate change and but also just it's so dehumanizing the way he talks about people it goes on further like he there's more conversations about you know i'm an effeminate man or i have a more feminine traits because i have a lot of negative emotions and whatever and

it's like you are in me this is all evidence to why you are a mean little white man one it's so funny like that the friend of yours who was like i don't know i'm reading his book and he seems mean like even even on the page he comes off as a mean person. Very appropriate. Also, I think it's funny that he complained about his son's sister. So his daughter dressed up his son when he was about two in like a fairy princess costume. Wait a minute. He said my son's sister?

When my son was about two, his sister was about three and she had a little gaggle of friends. It's fine. This is how he's talking talking I'm not saying he like avoided saying his daughter um but and he's like he was concerned about it and stuff and Rogan was like wait what what qualms would you have about that that's like you know my my daughter's dressed me up in a dress it's funny it's fine and

he sort of pushes back on this in a way and he and in Peterson fashion Rogan was like well why so if it's fine it's fun why would you worry about anything else other than it being fun and Peterson is like well probably because I pause

why would I worry about that long pause and that's it like he can't handle being challenged like that because he knows that if he says what he means, Joe will actually call him out on it. Sort of. Right? Like, he doesn't know how to say what he's really saying in the way that he usually obfuscates stuff.

Sure. Because, you know, like, well, why are you worried then? Ooh, I want to say it though doesn't necessarily push i mean he might not readily agree but um i'm going to pivot to this other conversation about joe rogan and spotify also it's not inherently funny uh a man or a boy wearing a dress it's not like inherently fun it's not uh which they did not address but whatever but that's what i mean is like they're joe rogan might push back a little bit but he allows a lot of um disinformation on his show and that is my pivot to our next uh little story and

that is neil young is getting removed from spotify um i'm sure you guys have seen this in a blog post published wednesday um young has said that his label warner brothers reprise is standing by him and supporting this move even though it means the loss of 60 of his streaming revenue that's a lot that's a lot of money yeah he's neil young i'm sure he's fine but he's neil. He's doing fine. But that's a very bold move for him to make. That's not going to do anything. Yeah. It makes Spotify look bad.

It did make Spotify look bad. Which I think their image matters a lot to them as a very progressive Swedish company. So I think getting in a tussle with Neil Young young over isn't good it's not a great look but ultimately i don't think everybody's gonna delete their spotify oh no um i just bought a neil young album instead yeah like all right uh you know support you this way instead of like getting you one cent after listening to an album 20 times right neil young just has been posting his cash app help me out don't don't like look me up and like how much

money i might have already but i need it um yeah it's funny also i think uh they're just like all these people like like joe rogan or neil young a hard choice. And they're implying that obviously kick Neil Young off. And it's like, really? That's your version? It's like, that's your conclusion? You mean not a hard choice? Has Spotify ever? I don't think they've ever directly responded to the Joe Rogan misinformation.

I don't, but I really don't think, I think they've just been like radio or Spotify silence on this, and they're just hoping Joe Rogan stops saying false things. That doesn't seem to be happening. I mean, it's already bad. I mean, it's the whole ivermectin thing. It traces back to one guest he had on that spiraled out of control. Not the first time. Yeah, not the last.

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I was debating whether I should bring out my Neil Young impression and decided not. Do it. Do it. No. Do it. Do it to introduce this next section. Funny lyrics. Yeah. Scientists are worried about Elon Musk. That's it.

Here we are. I'm sorry. Is Neil himself here? I'm sorry. Is Neil stepping in? He moved from Spotify to this show. All right. All right. I'm sorry is Neil himself here I'm sorry is Neil stepping in alright is it Musk time it's Musk time scientists

are worried about Elon Musk's Neuralink trials and so am I baby that's scary here's some background if you like me were surprised surprised to learn that elon musk is about to start human trials implanting microchips into human brains uh neuralink is elon musk's brain implant startup uh in 2020 they displayed a pig with a chip in its brain and showed how they were measuring the pig's brain

patterns. And then in 2021, they introduced a monkey with the chip. And it appeared that he was controlling a game of pong with its mind. The way it works, I guess the chip is implanted on both sides of the brain and can control areas that govern motor functions, which could be really huge for people with paralysis or other kinds of neurological disorders, paraplegics. But there's a lot, a lot, a lot of implications for this that are very scary and do we just let Elon, you go ahead, Zach. Well, that's crazy because, I mean,

first of all, Elon Musk invented tunnels with car traffic. He's not going anywhere near my brain with a saw. It's so funny. Tunnels with car traffic is the best way to describe it. We're going to put them all into one tunnel? He invented a robot that was a guy in a suit. And then, so there's this the thing and uh there's this thing called brain gate at brown university it's it's essentially the same thing but it works people's spinal cord injury strokes als they have this thing it's like the size

smaller than a penny you can put on your brain you can control like mouse cursors you can use it to squeeze like a robot arm, some communication devices. It's funded by the NIH. It's funded by the Department of Veteran Affairs. They've been researching this since the 90s, and it can move a cursor. Neuralink was started in 2016, and Elon says you can store and replay your memories or download yourself into a robot body unbelievable

yeah see that exactly like that's like the black mirror version or whatever yeah because that's the thing like you know he's tweeting like oh yeah this is gonna be well also uh it's similar to like yeah uh the electric car it's like the first one was like 100 years ago like you didn't

you didn't invent the electric car man also his electric cars keep crashing and burning and killing people that they do and he like has this like he just promises so much but also like him tweeting like this is gonna help like paraplegics and these things whenever he says something like that it always seems like actually that's the afterthought like that's his pr his PR pitch. That's what he's saying to, like, try to get people on board with it. When really, he's just like, wouldn't it be cool to play Pong with your mind? Wouldn't it be cool to, like, get in your Tesla

and be able to, like, drive it? But he's not thinking of, like, people in need. Right. There were, like, the... Two weeks ago, there was a 19-year-old who hacked into 25 Tesla cars and was able to control them, like drive them.

Like he could have driven them into walls or into each other. And now we're expected because Elon Musk, like you're saying is giving people false hope. So they'll put these things and then who knows who can access it? Who knows? You can just like give you an epilepsy, like give you a seizure. Sorry.

Uh, for like, just like remotely. It's, give you a seizure sorry from like just like remotely it's I don't know it's exactly like the idea like the idea of like oh yeah you can do this via bluetooth bluetooth is not a very secure thing like what you

want to let that in your brain man they're gonna use your brain to mine dogecoin within like absolutely yes I mean and there are so many other implications like what happens if the company goes bankrupt and these people just have a chip in their brain well you know who

controls the data who's controlling the chip how do you get it out what if yeah it's also gonna be like an Apple watch where you have to charge it every like hour and a half and just like hold your head against the wall or like however they try to do it and like yeah it's like all this like a few years ago i think like 2018 or something uh someone was asking like elon musk about like why you're like the richest man on the planet uh you've got all this like tech or whatever

what do you like you could do a lot for like low-income housing and things like that like you actually do things that like really help people uh and he didn't respond and then like i tweeted about it and he like he responded to me he's like actually we're gonna use uh the dirt from the tunnels that we're digging to make low-cost bricks for low-income housing um and it's one of those again it's one of those things like people see it like oh my god Look at what he's doing he's selling dirt to Poor people what the fuck are you talking about And like this idea

That like oh actually see this It's an afterthought that he thinks is Like gonna sell This thing but I've I keep looking into it and like trying to Like follow up On these fucking bricks and there's nothing it's just a thing that he says to get people on board with like i'm selling flamethrowers

or whatever he's doing but he doesn't actually care about no he doesn't helping people he's talking about like that's not you want to help you want to help people like drive their drive cars with brains and like help people get get around do like work on public transportation instead of these like death tunnels that you're making um which would actually help people it's just i hate him so much i miss i miss nerdy elon there because they're like i think like a decade or two ago he seemed like a good dude like he was like all about electric cars and climate change and it really seemed like he was the one good billionaire that was very environmental forward. And I think part of it, just in the last couple of years,

I think part of being a celebrity just rots your brain. I think being able to make a billion dollars by saying one cryptic tweet, like your human brain can't handle that. And I mean mean we talk i just think if you have it in you to become a billionaire you have it in you to be a real fucking monster especially with this kind of attention at success and validation and yeah every time he does something sensational stocks go up or he gets some big reaction and it always benefits him in the long run.

So you just start to feed into that cycle and you go down that path. I think he also knows good intent is profitable because he knows probably from an early time that he seemed like he really did have good intentions at some point. But at this time, like you're saying of the afterthought that he might have that deep-seated good intention as he actually means it but he also knows that saying using buzzwords like low-income housing or you know helping people with paralysis is actually going to just you know make him three billion dollars in an afternoon exactly yeah all like the uh the the cave diver thing where he's like i can i could i'll send you a little submarine

that'll get stuck and won't be, but like he offered the thing. Same with like Flint or like any sort of like disaster. Well, if it'll help, I'll do this. Like that's actually not going to help. We're going to pivot to broken news real quick and potentially talk about Mark Cuban's pharmacy.

But there is something to me where it's like, yes, that's a good thing. He's also going to make money. It's the uh thing with elon where you're like okay there's this kernel of something that could potentially be very beneficial to people but your real aim is to make money your real goal is still your bottom line and inherently you're not it means you're not about helping people yeah it's profit sort of disguised as philanthropy. But speaking of that, Jonathan, I'm throwing it to you to talk us through some broken news stories.

Indeed. I mean, we can talk about Mark Cuban first, actually. Sure. Yeah, he launched an online pharmacy at costplusdrugs.com. The idea is he's offering a bunch of popular prescription drugs at cost plus 15%. So a lot of these drugs are going to be like 90% or more cheaper than you can get at a drugstore. They don't accept health insurance, but they say you'll often pay much less than you would even with a copay at a pharmacy. What do you guys think about that?

Look, I think it's good. I mean, I do think it's good that people have access to some to affordable medications. I think it's ridiculous how medications are priced up. But again, he's going to make money. And there are a lot of people that still can't afford that, you know, especially if they're not taking health insurance right in a perfect world this doesn't exist because prescription drugs are free or cheap because we have universal health care and so like he's getting a lot of praise for doing this yeah but it's like uh it sucks that we have to praise people for trying to make something better out of our

shitty system that hurts people right i i hate that i kind of love it at least i haven't seen the like where the rug hasn't been pulled yet maybe this is just pure this is possibly the best outcome in a the best way you can do this in a country without health care. But he's selling a leukemia drug for $47 a month. That was $9,600 before. Absolutely. Even that's going to make a pretty big difference pretty quickly. So I don't know if he's setting up that for a political run or just sees it as- I do think that, probably.

It just seems good so far. I'm going to give it a chance. Of all the billionaires i would say mark cuban is to me the i mean we talked with him on our other show last year and a lot of people were mad at us about it um and he makes no bones about it he's a capitalist and you know believes in that but he also does seem to care about the fact that people are dying that people don't have um access to resources that you know corporations take advantage of um employees and whatnot he does have that perspective and i do think that he

is um actively thinking about running someday maybe not in your future but down the line and that's the thing it's like this is like this is going to help a lot of people uh at least in the short term and uh probably the long term in a lot of cases too like you're saying like these are cheap it's much cheaper um i think i would feel a little better about it if he uh was actually interested in like abolish like health insurance and like we we should have this like single like everyone should be able to go to the doctor and get this stuff um but from what i gather his actual plan to like quote fix health care is still based on like

premiums you don't have to pay uh no one would pay more than 10 percent of their uh income on premium so like premium still exists it would be based on like loans and you have to pay the loans back um over a 12 month period and all the stuff's like well that's that's doesn't fix anything uh it makes it maybe less than what it is now but it's still not fixing the problem and giving it yeah like so it's just like if you if you want to really help people, not just right. And like not like this is great, but I think it would go a long way if he also was very vocal about we need to get rid of this and actually give everybody not just access to health care, but free at the point of service health care for every single person. free at the point of service healthcare for every single person otherwise he's just sort of perpetuating this system

and putting this bandaid on it's a very good bandaid I don't want to like disparage like this idea of like getting these things for much cheaper but again I think yeah I think what gets to me is not even about what Mark Cuban's doing but that

like Republicans will say, like, see, the private industry and the free market fixed something that the government couldn't. But he's just, I mean, good. He took it into his own hands. But like, this is something Congress could have done years ago, negotiating, you know, Medicare for drug prices. Exactly. Like, we shouldn't, it should be pointed out, like, it shouldn't take Mark Cuban to do this, to make this happen. Yeah. We shouldn't require, like, have to be like, well, hopefully there's

some nice billionaires that want to get these drugs to people for cheaper. Yeah. It's obviously very rare. All the problems in my life I'm just praying for Mark Cuban just to come in at one point. It's literally how we got him on the show. I forget what

the conversation started but i tweeted at him can i have some money trolled and then we went back and forth for a while and he dm'd me he's like that was fun yeah can i have some of your money yeah didn't work he didn't give me any but i know but he did come on our show yeah jonathan one more broken news story yeah so the graphic novel mouse uh which won the Pulitzer Prize and depicts elements of the Holocaust with the Nazis as cats and Jews as mice, has been

banned by a Tennessee school board because they say it contains objectionable language and a depiction of a naked character. There's a quote from one of the school board members describing how he thinks you can teach the Holocaust without, quote, all the nakedness and all the other stuff. And he doesn't really specify it.

Like, he talks a little bit about what the other stuff is, but it's like, you know, the bad stuff about the Holocaust. And I'm not sure how you teach. Was the swearing? Yeah, you don't need all these swears to teach what happened. Just teach the nice, fun version of it. All along with critical race theory bullshit conversations of like, we can't bear to subject our children to this traumatic telling of the truth.

We can't let them know how it really was because they're delicate. What? Yes, it's funny. It's bummer uh but like this just like so concerned like this naked mouse in this this uh comic book about about the holocaust while also being furious that mini mouse is wearing a jumpsuit for like an event uh-huh um that's also going on right now uh The school board actually, they released a statement today, a new one about this. And I think it's very interesting. I'm just going to read this real quick.

We do not diminish the value of mouse as an impactful and meaningful piece of literature, nor do we dispute the importance of teaching our children the historical and moral lessons and realities of the Holocaust. To the contrary, we have asked our administrators to find other works

that accomplish the same educational goals in a more age appropriate fashion. And like, what is that? What's like the age appropriate version of teaching about this? But Nini's life is beautiful, I think is the only like, because what

Right, like that's exactly what I thought of. Like, I was like, yeah. When I was in eighth grade, we watched Schindler's List. We all had to get i was in eighth grade we watched schindler's list we all had to get our parents signatures and we watched schindler's list which is much more r than mouse than mouse oh yeah yeah i love between that and the mini thing republicans this week are like look mouse has gotta be sexy but not too sexy right right don't show everything yo just show a little mouse leg yeah you need to leave some to the imagination but not too much not too much not too much that's just right yeah we should go to the mccann county tennessee school board and be like could you just tell us how sexy the

mice can be and what you want the mice to be wearing just like tell us and then we'll make let's just bring in some different drawings some different skirt lengths you know diagram what's appropriate well just like like you're saying john jonathan like the you had to have the parents sign a thing just do that for this like show the parents like here the here's the the one image that your kid might have to see because they've never been online before I mean is the mouse showing her vagina or something I promise you she is not now kids are gonna have to go online

and google mouse boobs like the rest of us it's horrible we're gonna have to put them through that we used to be a proper country first COVID now this the two things that make me hopeful of this situation is I feel like anytime there's a banned book is the one time you make kids want to read.

Yeah. And the other thing is, I don't know if you guys saw this, but on CNN, the author of Mouse went for an interview. And mid-interview, he just pulled out a vape pen. That was so funny because he's a billion years old and an iconic writer and just pulled out this very cool glowing

vape pen. That's so funny. I was like, if you ever wanted to kids do not want to read a book, don't have this awesome author who had a banned book. Right. I think he's a pipe guy, but all right Spiegelman, good on you. They asked him. I know he's a pipe guy, but all right, Spiegelman.

Good on you. That's really funny. They asked him about it in this interview, and he said, he said, it's leaving me with my jaw open. Like, what? That's the article I read that had that one quote from Art Spiegelman. That's the author? That's what you'd say. Yeah, I wonder what was in that vape pen.

Maybe a little marijuana. Maybe some sexy mouses oh yeah you have been a wonderful guest uh it was very fun having you thank you you guys have been wonderful hosts it's very fun to be here thank you i pride myself on being a gracious host i pride myself on getting compliments yeah you, you're good at them, Cody. Tell us where we can find you online. Plug your work. Where can we see you do stuff?

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