Some More News - The Trumpless GOP Debate: Who Has The Juice?

Episode Date: August 25, 2023

Hi. Alex Steed (@alexsteed), co-host of the podcast "You Are Good," joined Katy and Cody to talk about the first GOP primary debate. They discuss Ron DeSantis's mouth, Vivek Ramaswamy's "Young College Republicans" energy, and whether or not the other candidates think Mike Pence should have been hanged. Doug Burgum goes unmentioned. Check out our MERCH STORE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/somemorenews SUBSCRIBE to SOME MORE NEWS: https://tinyurl.com/ybfx89rh Subscribe to the Some More News and Even More News audio podcasts: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/some-more-news/id1364825229 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6ebqegozpFt9hY2WJ7TDiA?si=5keGjCe5SxejFN1XkQlZ3w&dl_branch=1 Follow us on social media: Twitter: https://twitter.com/SomeMoreNews Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/SomeMoreNews/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SomeMoreNews/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somemorenews If you want to take ownership of your health, try AG1 and get a FREE 1-year supply of Vitamin D AND 5 Free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase. Go to https://drinkAG1.com/MORENEWS. That’s https://drinkAG1.com/MORENEWS. Go to https://eightsleep.com/MORENEWS and save $150 on the Pod Cover by Eight Sleep. That’s the best offer you’ll find, but you must visit https://eightsleep.com/MORENEWS for $150 off. Eight Sleep currently ships within the USA, Canada, the UK, select countries in the EU, and Australia. Leave summer stress behind and upgrade your CBD. Go to https://NextEvo.com/MORENEWS to get 25% off + a FREE bottle of Premium Pure CBD ($50 value, limit 1 use per customer). Sign up for a $1/month trial period at https://shopify.com/morenews (all lowercase) to take your retail business to the next level today.

Hello and welcome back to even more news the first and only news podcast my name is katie stole. Hi katie thank you so much all the millions and millions and billions of, because where else are you going to get your news other than this place? Hi, I'm Cody. Hello, Cody. Joining us today for the first time is co-host of the movie podcast, You Are Good, which he co-hosts with Sarah Marshall. That's right. It's Alex Steed.

Hello, everybody. Raucous applause. Huzzah. Thanks for having me. I am stoked to be here the day after the first Republican debate. I was going to ask if you watched, but I know you did because I saw your Twitter and love it. Yeah, I watched. I watched. I think as many people do, I watched other people's responses for a good portion of the evening and i actually watched most of it in earnest this morning to see how those matched yeah that is kind of the most interesting part sorry just like knowing how you know how you think about these people but like seeing how their little canned responses or like their little uh aspects actually reach

people yeah it's interesting we're gonna talk a lot about the debate today we'll we'll get to that i'll just say i i do love the live i'm not calling it x the live twitter reaction to things like debates as it's happening uh i found it more frustrating this time because i'm not seeing or effective for me because I'm not necessarily seeing anybody's reactions. So it. Oh, because the website's worse. Because the website is worse. So you're having a worse time.

It was far less effective for me to to participate and engage in that way. It's made it harder to find information. It's made it harder to find information for sure. It's just showing me binders full of women jokes all night. It got so confused my uh my app the app version i have of the website uh the search literally does not work i could put in any word in the search and it does not pop up anything sounds like and i know i can fix it if i update the app which will change it to x in my phone which i will not be doing

automatically update for you no i have mine i woke up one day and there it was i have mine on manual on purpose so that they can't trick me but before we we talk about all of this fun stuff we gotta talk about some holidays everyone's favorite part of the show thursday august 24th is international strange music day okay is it like yeah like uh subjective right that's pretty subjective it is completely subjective uh created by experimental musician patrick grant this holiday encourages people to play and listen to music they haven't heard before why not not check out Cody Johnston's album? Speaking of music you haven't heard before,

check out my band, The Hot Shapes, available on Bandcamp and SoundCloud. It is the first 10 seconds of this show. It's the song that we play. And other songs. Thank you, Katie. Thank you so much. Right? That was fun.

It's fun how he just integrated that there at the beginning of the show. Grant was also part of a group that set a Guinness World Record in 2013 for largest keyboard ensemble. They had 175 keyboardists all playing... How do you pronounce this? Pachelbel?

Pachelbel? That's kind of like Taco Bell. Pachelbel. Pachelbel. Someone out there. Pachelbel. Allachelbel? That's kind of like Taco Bell. Pachelbel. Pachelbel. Someone out there. Pachelbel. All those strange music heads out there, correct us with our pronunciation. It's the wedding one.

Oh, yeah. Okay, so 175 keyboardists all played it in D simultaneously for more than five minutes in New York City. The piece is called Canon in D. Oh, shit. Johan P. We're calling him Johan P. as i was saying it i was like that was probably the name of the song so you thought there was a specific song and they all played it in the key of d as different than usual no no in the context of how i was reading it

right then yeah but no i mean kind of Right then? Yeah, but no. I mean, kind of. Okay, anyway. I used to live with a male model, and that was, like, his defining characteristic was he was a male model, and this was, like, the one piece of music that he would refer to to sound smart.

Hell yeah. Oh, interesting. It was, like, the only piece of, like, classical music He knew And he would like Refer to it So often It was weird

So this goes out to you Adam And your Shredded Abs I think it's Pockbell It's Pockbell? Yes Okay

That's what Adam used to say I was gonna say Is that what he said Yeah That's what Adam said Totally Just Okay

If it was just P pocketbell's canon in the chord of d or whatever it would be that's not chord i mean the chord of d is in the key of d whatever it would be capitalized in the same way like do you understand either way it would be if it was if it was the other one if it was what you thought it was, it would be written the same way. It would be written the same way. Well, no one just refers to it as canon. No one's just like, let's listen to canon.

And everyone knows, like, that's not how it goes. Right, right. You need the possessive in there for it to make any sense. Anyway, August 25th is Kiss and Makeup Day. So I guess I'm going to forgive you all for it to make any sense anyway august 25th this kiss and makeup day so i guess i'm gonna forgive you all for making me feel embarrassed on my show there's no need to feel embarrassed i also didn't know how to pronounce it and just guessed i'm not actually embarrassed i don't it takes it takes more than that to embarrass me. I still assume it's Pachelbel. Interesting Paclbel. It sounds like Taco Bell.

Interesting Paclbel factoid. Born on September 11th. Oh. 2001. So just a weird coincidence. That's so weird. That is true. Remarkably accomplished. Paclbel Supreme. Gen Z. that's so weird that that is true remarkably accomplished for paco bell supreme gen z i mean

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That's the best offer you'll find. But you must visit 8sleep.com slash more news for $150 off. 8 Sleep currently shipped within the usa canada the uk select countries in the u and australia take it from me chicago's very own katie's stole okay alex hi welcome hello we're done with the holidays alex. Hello. We're done with the holidays, Alex. We're done. We are done with the, this is where we get to know you for a few minutes. I love it. We love Sarah Marshall. I'm sure she's a delight to work with. Tell us a little bit about the show. So You Are Good used to be called Why Our Dads? so it was called why our dads we created it in the middle of the of the lockdown and we were like

we originally created a show called apocalypse friends where it was like movies about people going through some like big transition usually apocalyptic and we got three episodes in before we were like well this is profoundly depressing what is the subject area we can go into that's not this and so we both share in common having old dads so that was the subject of the show for a while and then we that hit its logical conclusion and now um you are good we call a feelings podcast about movies so the idea is like we talk about what we're not critics we talk about what feelings and uh stuff that that you know movies and pop culture evoke uh it's really a therapy show but rather than saying it's a therapy show and turning people off we get them

in by way of talking about fun stuff exactly that's lovely that's so interesting i keep wanting to um do another show and struggling to come up with what it is that I want to be. Because as I've found, once the show takes off, you're like in this format, you know? And I love this. But it's like when you want to, basically what I'm saying is I love that you gave yourself space to play and let the show evolve. And you found something that really works and feels good to do.

Yeah, people are very forgiving i think like it's our our audience has been very lovely and sort of under understanding and you know for us like the the cool things that were coming out of the conversations was conversations about sort of like going deep in one way or another and we realized you know by having a show that was about dads that really kind of shuts a lot of people out of the show and we didn you know by having a show that was about dads that really kind of shuts a lot of people out of the show and we didn't want that to be the case we wanted to have like broader conversations so by opening it up there were people who were bummed about the change of format but they were also very understanding and they came with us to the next iteration yeah people

have a hard time with change sometimes but in some in some ways like you know they're tuning in for the alex and sarah show yeah colon whatever your format is that week whatever you want to talk about whatever like interests and excites you so even if you change it in a couple of months to something else i feel like people would still be like oh whatever they're whatever they want to do together is something that i'm uh right gonna want to tune into yeah for sure for sure and like i said we've been we have a very we have a we have a great audience that we have like a a nice sort of daily connection with online in one way or another very supportive so we uh yeah we feel extremely fortunate to have this show there are still positive experiences coming from the internet

there sure are if you put yeah yeah if you go if you go looking for them you can find them if you go looking for them good is there is there a movie or anything that you guys refuse to watch for the show oh that's a great question i think like i didn't come up with it jonathan wrote it down credit where's sarah sarah is very difficult to motivate to watch something that everybody loves right now no matter what it is so so it's very difficult like we we we usually only cover old movies older movies anyway movies that have been out for a while but i think it would be hard to get sarah to like watch barbie because i was gonna say barbie then right exactly like there's an

expected response and she likes to have some distance before she's able to get into that so we just covered the newest movie i think we've ever covered was mid samar which we did a couple weeks ago which she only recently felt able to watch after several years of people being like you know having big public feelings about yes yeah i very much relate to that because if you don't watch it right away you're also getting your opinions are being loudly affected by everyone else's and it's hard to forget the stuff that you've even if you just scroll over it on your feed the osmosis of information that you have that's going to inform your experience of it i've had the same thing i haven't watched midsummer but yeah actually maybe now time. Yeah, it's I feel like people have just stopped really caring about

where you land on it. And I and I even so I mean, we, again, our audience is lovely, but like people, you know, there were still people who again, the whole point of the show isn't necessarily film criticism. It's talking about things around the movie and people had strong takes about what we did or did not talk about so yeah it's we we like to be divorced from the pressures of collective public opinion yeah smart healthy speaking about the pressures of collective public opinion and i guess midsummer we should talk about the republican debate same Same vibe. They didn't mention Barbie, though. Disappointed they didn't get their hot takes on Barbie. There was no hot takes on Barbie last night, no.

Oh, boy. What a night we all had, or whatever. 12 hours absorbing the information of last night. Night, morning, whatever. That was interesting it's hard to even know where to begin to unpack the evening uh there are so many things did it go well did okay so we've all been wanting to see does ron de santis have the juice is he a jucible candidate and right out of the gate he came out with a prepared statement

and I would say he nailed it. He nailed his smile. He nailed how to answer the question. I think he's got it. I think he's got what it takes. Don't shut up. I regret saying that. It's just so funny.

Oh, that smile, that clip, not answering the question. It's all so beautiful. I do like that the first question of the night was about oliver anthony partly because right before that i had just sent jonathan and cody a ridiculous twitter thread about oliver anthony in which oh yeah so we and we haven't talked about the song on the show that much yeah how much backstory do we need to get we don't need to do too much um of our opinions necessarily it's all been said uh there's a quote-unquote

popular song that blew up overnight in right-wing circles specifically not only right-wing circles but pretty much um and it's like a bluegrassy kind of song of this guy he's in the woods and he's singing his heart out about how he works really hard and can't pay his bills um the clip that goes around uh conspicuously doesn't include the verses about uh people on welfare to eating too much food and they get fat or whatever anyway it's it's a bit of a litmus test for people and sort of how they view politics i don't know we've got opinions on it we don't need to get into it but he recently had a litmus test for people and sort of how they view politics i don't know we've got opinions on it we don't need to get into it but he recently had a clip where he's talking about

like america being a melting pot um and like diversity is our strength and all of his fans got really mad at him apparently because he's saying the opposite of what they want him to say which is that diversity is bad and that we need to get rid of it yeah it's very funny it was very interesting yeah anyway i had just sent jonathan and cody uh a clip of this and tim pool kind of defending it saying like here's it that actually context actually he's saying the exact same thing all of that is to say, of course, they started off with this question. Alex, I loved your tweet. I you said, I do feel like if you're going to have the candidates weigh in on why Rich Man North of Richmond resonates with some, you should put their net worths on screen. And that is a very good point.

Yeah, I mean, this is we became like super clear. I mean, we know that like a fox debate is ultimately just like a 90 minute push poll like that's all that's all it really is it's like and i know that they're not gonna do anything fairly but like and desantis funny enough i think is the person who was the lowest sort of the lowest net worth of all of the candidates on screen and he is who they started with but like you know all of these people are wealthy powerful people like if if i have to listen to them talk about this i want to see their net worth as big as them on screen to just see how silly that is to watch them side by side uh that should be uh standard practice for a lot of these events. Just like, let us know where you're coming from.

Even like Vivek is like this, like, anti-establishment, anti-pharma, like anti all these, like, you made your money from that. Talk about Vivek. First off, everyone's saying his name wrong all night long. Oh yeah, it's Vivek, it rhymes with cake.

He should have busted out the rap first off he's made it so clear but he didn't he let them call him vivek vivek it's got real uh desantis energy in that it sure does desantis his name is pronounced desantis that is how it's pronounced and how he pronounced it his entire life until about four years ago when people started saying it wrong and he didn't correct them and now here he is he's desantis now uh weak no juice ron desantis but i wouldn't i mean the the vague had an interesting evening and he seems to be the person that everyone's talking about today for good reason quite the splash out of the gate i mean we got to the climate change conversation and none of no one would raise their hand to say that uh it was so grim man-made i thought we were past that point like i know it's i'm naive i guess but i thought we were like there's this there's this

progression though of like the only political party on the planet that denies climate change is a thing they've made a progression where it's like well okay maybe it's happening but actually it's like normal okay maybe it's happening and like we're doing a little bit but like it's not bad like there's a there's a a tangled mess that they found themselves in but i didn't think we were still at the no it's not well if it hadn't been i mean yeah no it's upsetting it sucks i thought we were they will not acknowledge i thought we were in a different bad place i guess they won't acknowledge that it's man-made but they will acknowledge that it's happening that there's stuff changing but they will say that that is the way it's always been and um you know

there's a lot to unpack there as to the why i have my thoughts that could take up its own whole hour but i don't have the real answers to that to it but well do we want to play this uh vivek and christy let's do that i'm the only person on the stage who isn't bought and paid for so i can say, the climate change agenda is a hoax. The climate change agenda is a hoax. And we have to declare independence for it. And the reality is, the anti-carbon agenda is the wet blanket on our economy. And so the reality is, more people are dying of bad climate change policies than they are

of actual climate change. Governor Haley, are you bothering me? Follow up. Hold on. I can try to explain. Follow up on that, Blaine. No, no. Hold on, hold on.

I've had enough. I've had enough already tonight of a guy who sounds like ChatGPT standing up here. He's not wrong. He's not wrong. I thought Chrissy did great, by the way. I got to hand it to him. Yeah. wrong and the last person in one of these debates who stood in the middle of the stage and said what's a skinny guy with an odd last name doing up here was barack obama and i'm afraid we're dealing with the same type of amateur okay what the so much to say is going on first off obama's

i mean you included this in the notes but even in conversations that i have up here i live in the mountains by the way you didn't know people would say like obama is a pretty likable guy so comparing why would you compare obama this guy like to the two-term president what are you doing he's this guy he's really talented at talking and being like what are you doing that's a ridiculous thing to say that was interesting to watch and when i saw him say it i had this thought of oh this is gonna resonate with some people at home because it might seem shocking to us but a lot of people do believe exactly what he's saying and i felt this little like oh night is going to be about him and he's going to make as big of a show as possible tonight. He knows that none of those people on stage currently stand a chance against Donald Trump.

And they're not going to convince people that want to vote for Donald Trump, most likely to vote for them. Trump most likely to vote for them. But he can use this as an opportunity to, you know, get some viral noise around him, get a lot of attention on him to put himself in good terms with Donald Trump, which he did. He spent the evening defending Donald Trump and saying exactly what his base would want. I found I found him terrifying because he's a first of all he's a true believer it seems in in whatever he's doing i you know how many of us knew this kid in the college gop when we went to school who who sort of act acted like this and then uh or or sort of like whatever like state or whatever

things that you did in school where one guy took it like way too seriously and had like sociopathic energy and then and then beyond that like just knowing that he's 38 and has like another like 50 years in him um right um you know this if he wants to start a super pack after this if he wants to be an organizer if he just wants like a a newsletter that he can make like several million a month off of like he made a splash big enough last night where like we don't find a very evident skeleton in his closet today he's gonna be around for a long time absolutely that's exactly right this is about more than this election this is a long-term like here i am i'm on this stage now yeah it's not necessarily like i mean i will we'll see how uh his career progresses or starts i guess because yeah he's been like vc

pharma guy for a long time but i think it's more sort of alarming just like this is the direction that like in the republican party like the young republican is going towards this sort of hyper nationalist route also like he made a lot of weird like not true claims about american history but he wants people to take a citizenship test to be able to vote with your 25 but like uh a lot of the sort of like the hyper nationalist stuff and like the climate hoax stuff like the saying it out loud part of the Vakes performance, I think is kind of the sort of the, the testing the wind of like,

how much are we allowed to say now? Where's the, where's the young voters going to go? And it's especially disheartening in the context of the fact that this larger climate change piece happened because you had a young person and i'm not familiar with the group i imagine it was like at the very at the at the most left it was a centrist at the or a like right wing sort of youth group asking this question about climate change being like all young people are concerned about this where do you stand on it and you essentially

had the party like not just say no but yell at you for believing that that's a thing including their their youngest freshest member in vivek and it was um you know it shows it shows that like that they just rely on cheating to win because they're like screw you for asking that question this is a lie i guess i'll push back slightly i think because we didn't actually while none of them would raise their hands i did not find anybody to be as extreme sure as vivek and hayley agree hayley hayley well she didn't quite agree but she did say yeah but she did say she did pivot to like clean air is super important and China is that or the other old stance from Haley was it DeSantis who's when it comes to him instead talks about emergency response so it's not that they don't

want that they aren't are boldly are completely saying it's not happening because that would be wrong like it's happening you know there's only the one but even then it's it's one of those again this sort of sneaky like half your mouth sort of talk we're like because he didn't say climate change is a hoax. He said the climate agenda is a hoax. And that is like, there's a distinction there. The anti-carbon agenda. There is a distinction. But like, if he were to be asked, like, do you think it's happening?

He would probably do some sort of like, well, yeah, but like, it's always happening. It's the same way he punked out the other day about suggesting 9-11 was an inside job. And then being called on it and being like it's absurd that you're calling me on this and then they pulled the full quote and he was suggesting that like yeah this is a person who this is like the slimiest imaginable candidate yeah there's a there's some dances he's trying to do rhetorically to get around some of these issues without he wants to say it loudly but he knows he can a little bit but he's not like a seasoned politician so he's not great at it right which is part of his appeal exactly um yeah it's just like a weird sort of like the

agenda is a hoax well what do you mean by that you're not i mean do you want me to to say what i think that they mean i know what you're saying but it's not yeah yeah i would love to hear because i and i'm still figuring out I'm still trying to understand myself. But yes, that climate change is happening, but it's not man-made or not necessarily or not in the way. There's different ways I've heard people talk about it. It's like any number of things. But that the push for green energy or to electric cars, et cetera, is about private industry

and making money. All of those things also create emissions in the pursuit of these technologies. What are we going to do? In the meantime, a lot of people that are conservative voters rely on diesel. They rely on certain things. So they feel like their entire industries are being taken away, which they are. So when they talk about it, it's easy to become from their perspective that this is all about manipulating us so that people can make money and that's what i can take away do they also kind of recognize that that's true of like oil companies and like the fossil fuel industry of making money it's i'm just curious i can't answer all these questions i'm just when we keep saying what do

they mean by it specifically that's what they mean by it from what i understand but you're right correct that is well right i mean they should just like get into that a little more and like well be specific like what industries and how are they not being addressed by these new industries in what way are you quantifying the lives lost from climate policy right versus the lives lost from the effects of climate change like what do you like be a little more specific can't get into these details because when you talk in broad strokes like that it's easy that's but that's how they that's how it all works sort of stuff exactly exactly every answer has to be a roundabout way of acknowledging that like it is kind of a

thing but like we're not ever gonna get in the way of like you and doing whatever you want to do like that's every answer like who was it was was it de santis that was like um we need to make china and india or maybe it was hayley we need to make china china and india um um do their part it's like how like that that was hailey and scott it's such such a glorious non-answer but exactly all of it are not all of this is non-answer of course i mean because this solution is not doing even if somebody i mean this wouldn't be enough to make me vote for them but even if they were to stand up there and not acknowledge the man-made part which would be frustrating even they were to say but, but the climate is changing. And we need to prepare ourselves.

We need to be investing in XYZ. We need to have emergency services. We need that. You know what? That'd be something. That's something. You know what I mean? That would be something.

All schools in Milwaukee where the debate was held are closed today because it's 110 degrees. And there we go. That seems too hot. For Milwaukee? God. Too many degrees. It is an incredibly frustrating thing to watch this conversation happen and to not have clarity on this. Also, even just the moment of him saying like it was a hoax

it was drowned out by these boos oh god yeah which were a i think from watching the clip it seems like they were booing him saying he was the only one not bought and paid for on the stage but like there was sort of a latency there and then he said the climate change thing and now everyone's like look at everybody booing him saying climate change is a hoax i don't think they were doing that you don't think because they agree that it's a hoax right like yeah exactly it shifted a little bit when they didn't notice that but i believe that yeah when he we when it sounded yeah to your point it sounded like they were booing that sort of like i'm the only person who's not bought and paid for and then as he started talking about like the quote anti-carbon agenda that was costing jobs

that's when he started to get applause it was very interesting to it yeah but it was so it was the moderate i mean this is a larger conversation but like the moderation was so uh how do you say laissez-faire i guess oh yeah yeah that it was hard to understand who was responding to what at any given time especially by way of the audience response. Sometimes they would play that ding like, oh, your minute is up. And I was like, wait, when was the last time I heard that? 15 minutes ago? You're just like coming in with the ding.

It was all over the place. And they were not listening to the moderators at all. No. I think we have to take a real quick break for advertisements. Advertisements. But then we'll be back for even more news whatever this is news that's right it's news hey there sport it's summer that means beach trips vacation getaways and catching grasshoppers so many grasshoppers thousands upon thousands of

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Sort of. It's very frustrating to watch that. It's also very, I agree with everything that's been said here today. It's also very frustrating for me personally when we get into the abortion conversation. It's just stunning sometimes watching this. You know, it wasn't as bad as it could have been. People weren't really calling for a national ban, talking around that.

But the amount of times that it was talking around it, the amount of times the idea was floated that Democrats want to have abortions at nine months old. And it's just such a grotesque misrepresentation of the actual conversation and it's very frustrating it's just very frustrating to not be able to respond when watching these proceedings happen i find watching all the men talk about it that jump to the those seems it's old and effective right like i remember being a teenager and being like yeah i support i'm i'm

pro-choice but not for late-term abortions which like i i had somehow bought into were happening left and right and i think that that is a that's it like that's the only talking point they have now that they know that they have a radically unpopular even among their party stance on abortion yeah they know they have to go sort of to this most extreme like not honest like sort of grotesque version of this so you can yeah get those people if they were to

fully abandon it they would be alienating a big and vital part of their base and it's like y'all fucked yourselves yeah you're in a bad situation that you have to dance around yeah because they can't get national support because it's very unpopular but they have a party they have a political party so they have to get some support

from them and then it just like shaves off such a significant thing like they couldn't they couldn't function without this issue i i think that this is the defining thing that we're going to be seeing in the GOP for the next couple of years. You know, I just moved to Los Angeles from Nashville. And in Tennessee, you have this phenomenon, which is kind of this, it looks a lot like what we're seeing here, which is you have the Republican like activists and donors are the most ideologically wild among the group. They're sort of like anti-abortion, like very, very pro-gun, no matter what the policy is. And then there's a bunch of people who just like happen to be Republicans ideologically

because they haven't thought much more about it. And now that you have like an actual vibrant gun debate happening in Tennessee, you have all these white women in particular who identify as republican who are now entering the gun debate as like anti wanting more restrictive measures and in doing so are realizing what the republican party is actually like and are are sort of at threat of defecting because the republicans are kind of showing their hand too much to the entire party and like this this tension that we're seeing that y'all have articulated really well is it's like, how do you keep the radicals and activists happy while also keeping happy the people who just show

up and happen to vote for you every time? And that's where the tension that's, that's a lot of the tension we saw last night on stage. Yeah. Yeah. We have this sort of like regular voters like, yeah, I do this. This is my my party. And then you sort of slowly realize, wait a second. Right. Well, it's the genius here. It's the genius of Trump is not anything.

I mean, there's a lot of things that can be said or whatever. But like is making him the primary issue, like making obsession with him, the primary issue is a really graceful way of handling this because there's no ideological question. It's just you are on his team or you're not on his team. And now that we had this essentially what was a pre-Trump debate, although every time they talked about him, it sounded like they talked about a ghost that everyone knows about, you know, it's it was interesting seeing what effectively felt like a debate from before trump times because you had all these people trying to argue and then also you had things like i was shocked at seeing and i'm sorry to veer far from the abortion conversation but i love this

i was shocked to see um you know like i disagree with nikki haley on any everything it was great seeing her come in and criticize the party itself um so you're seeing for a little while yeah yeah i i'm not a nicki haley fan but i thought that she did a good job last night i think that she on from with her stuff with her yes of course you know like this is a huge caveat i'm not complimenting or showing my support for anybody on stage but she tried to bring some of that in and some like of a different perspective and some slightly more reasonable takes yeah it's just it's just interesting to watch because like it's all it's all futile in a way um futile where none of it matters in a sense we're like because we're still living in a world that is that's that one lindsey graham tweet uh if we nominate trump he'll destroy us or whatever uh they did and he did it's it's all

crumbling and they're being held together with glue. And like you're saying, like you got to talk around Trump. He's easy. Dead in their minds. It's like this weird specter. And like, they're all like trying to say the loud part that he said a little louder, but not too loud. And it's all still about him.

Yeah. And I don't think you have, if you have these people on stage, it's good to have many, many ideas in your party and to be able to talk through them and stuff. But they're so conflicting. You have one guy who's like i actually am here because the last guy was evil and we can't do that again and then you have these other people like well actually he's fucking awesome and actually as a 38 year old he's based and uh they're like there's it's

this conflict and in the middle they're like well maybe we could he could be evil and based you know and like they're it's an impossible situation they're all in lots of thoughts yeah it's chaotic it's like whiplash what's the consensus going to be and there's not going to be consensus because you've got very very different and to be honest on our side there's very little consensus about stuff i mean we're more likely to maybe less polarized than this but it's probably not ideologically polarized in a in like not such a like culty personal way yes where it's like yeah i'm saying i'm just saying like truth be told but um interesting to watch it all go out on. I didn't miss Donald Trump being there. I actually thought this was the right move.

I heard somebody say on a podcast this morning was like Donald Trump was too scared or something to be there. I'm like, that's not true. He absolutely didn't need to be there tonight. It only would have hurt him. I personally think like it would have just been about talking to Trump and everybody trying to get their dig in at Trump versus giving us an opportunity to like let them hash it out, see what the personalities are. I don't think anybody's on that stage actually thinking that they will be the candidate. candidate but in case that this plays out where yo where he is convicted and we do not let a convicted president or whatever however this plays out they're going to use this as an opportunity like you you are we already talked about at the beginning vivek is now somebody that people know who he is and he's 38 years old and so either you slice it, this is a positive night for him.

You know, he's not at, maybe he'll get a cabinet position or, you know, the very least people know who he is. Can I play this clip of all the candidates being asked if they would support Trump, even if he's convicted and gets the nomination? Because I really spent a long time time analyzing everyone's reactions here. And our listeners will not be able to see it, but we will break it down. We will be as descriptive as we can. If former President Trump is convicted in a court of law, would you still support him as your party's choice? Please raise your hand if you would.

Raise your hand if you would. So right now, we'll just say that a bunch of people raised their hand and Ron DeSantis. Looked around before for raising his. He saw that. So Vivek's hand shot right up. Obviously, the base candidate. Golden boy uh yeah uh nicky's went up uh a lot of hands went up and ron is just looking around like is it okay if i do it is it okay and then he doesn't even like it's so funny he doesn't leave it up he puts it down too and then pent sorted precious because he doesn't even like everyone's like raising their

hand really high. Ron looks around for a little bit and realize like, OK, I can raise my hand. And he kind of does. He doesn't even like forcibly like, oh, my hand is going up. No, he like sheepishly raises it for a moment and it puts it back down. Oh, just absolutely juiceless. It's so fun to watch. And I don't know if we need to play the rest of this clip but i do want to watch here what christy does because he puts up he he back here he notches his finger as like yep i'm in and then he puts it down and then he shakes his head and puts his finger up and wags it back and forth so i think he realizes that he like he thought he was answering the wrong question or something yeah i feel like so here's

my interpretation i feel like maybe his response was more a point to like see everybody up here is saying that they would right right like on right on cue all the little lap dogs are like raising their hand and then he's like not me um that's just a theory he said i wasn't raising my hand yeah well there's and there's a great i mean i remember this like i think that this is why we see we see a little bit about like why a in 2008 like a ron paul was appealing was was just like having someone on stage from the party being like we should be ashamed of ourselves a lot of the time um even though again like like sort of the the general ideology of him ended up just kind of becoming baked into the party no matter what but having a christy and then having even though oh

god pence is just such a sad tragic character in so many ways with like terrible terrible ideological beliefs but seeing some of these people occasionally be like hey you remember like what we're talking about right like christy christy being like it's shameful that we are defending this man who did this thing pence trying to kind of do the same thing but not having the spine fully to do so like if i were him in that case against b-back you know scolding a child scolding me in that case i'd be like hey like it's easy for you to say that but they literally tried to hang me until i was dead like right like why not use that some more right like and even just like following up again like you know give everybody a chance and stuff but when you see mike pence's hand go up for that question okay i'm gonna take a moment uh mike they wanted

you hanged yeah and you're gonna support their guy right including and the president what it was like maybe he should be maybe he should be right like just like and like no judgment i mean a lot of judgment but no judgment mike i just want you to say out loud that you agree with that series of events like they tried to hang me the president who i was the vice president of kind of supported it and if he gets convicted i will still support him i think he should be the president just say say those words out loud so that we can all hear mike what did he say i'm scrolling here i'm not seeing it when he posed the question to everybody our kids i do want to

play that clip because i do think that like is the next thing here because okay that was the question was like hey uh what do you think about what mike pence did on like he didn't at brett baird didn't ask so should we have hung this guy on the stage right now? No, but he was like, how did he handle it? So let me... Just like not enough, sorry, just not enough references to Mike Pence being hanged throughout the entire night. Like just say it out loud.

Say what they wanted, say it. For sure. Okay, here we go. Disappointing. I think the American people deserve to know whether everyone on this stage agrees that I kept my oath to the Constitution that day. There's no more important duty.

So answer the question. I've answered this before. So, yes. Mike did his duty. I got no beef with him. But here's the thing. Is this what we're going to be focusing on going forward?

The rehashing of this? I'll tell you, the Democrats would love that. Bro. What a pivot the idea there's so many things about this i'll just get out of the way you can't be like are we gonna spend our time focusing on this and rehashing this when you're the the benghazi party like unbelievable what are you talking about you're like don't you talk about hunter biden's dick earlier like what do you mean you can't rehash anything he tried to hang the earlier like what do you mean you can't rehash

anything he tried to hang the vice president what are you doing i'm a big i'm a big believer that almost all sort of like outward political stuff is usually has like some psychosexual root and it's not surprising to me that the party that was so obsessed with cucks and cucking for so long are fine with you calling their wife ugly and supporting you anyway are fine with like the the cronies of the party trying to hang you and saying you're going to support them no matter what like it's not surprising that that like allegiance is so important because they're cucks gotta fall in line yeah Yeah, it's like the party of cucks. And they're so upsetting you for being a cuck.

Yeah, it's like the worst kind of cuck. Totally. Whenever a moment like that, like, like lays it bare. It's like, yeah, you guys, you're not doing so great. Oh, my God. Yeah, Pence almost made Cruz look good in the cucking department yesterday. But, you know, he tried to do a little pushing back by way of being like, I did my constitutional duty, which is a pretty, you know, good thing to fall back on if you have to. And I think that everybody on that stage managed to agree with it or.

I mean, I already answered it. I already said so. Everyone else stood still i i feel like pence the expectations for pence were so low and like what a like unappealing weirdo he is like he was he was much more like forceful and i feel like firm based on probably on his uh radio experience than desantis who looked like he was kind of out of sorts and didn't know how to hang with the cool kids, the quote-unquote cool kids on the stage. DeSantis did himself no favors at all last night. I encourage everybody listening to look up the Ron DeSantis

trying to smile after passionately saying he'll defend you. It's such an attempt at a smile. Just look at it. It's amazing. Wasn't Mike Pence broke when he was broke? He was. Wasn't there a moment last night? Or am I misremembering it?

Just it's coming to my head right now. He was talking about how needing someone who's good with money. And Mike, not you. Yeah, the reason he ran with Trump was because he was broke and needed to not be broke anymore. That would be funny if they put all their net worths up on screen. And it's just like Mike Pence has been broke for years. That's why he's doing this. He's desperate.

He's got three kids in college. He doesn't know what he's doing. Buy his books. He won't let mother work. he's doing this he's desperate he's got three kids in college he doesn't know what he's doing was there anyone with you all watching who you were like god if trump was gone tomorrow you think that this person would do well against biden interesting it's a good question sorry sorry no it's hard because i don't know it's hard because i don't know who is the person that people would ultimately rally behind sure because like we were just saying earlier cody's the to cody's point there were some wildly different perceptions of what's happening in the country and what we should do and whether like on a base level of like if the election was stolen or not you know there's just so many

differences of opinion climate change all of it that it's hard to know what would be i know that vivek is trying to tap into that charisma or whatever that juice but he i don't think has the right skin tone for a lot of people to make that jump sure i mean is that fair to say i i can't see it happening but maybe i'm wrong not that will like encourage people to go out of their way to vote. I was surprised. And again, this is a person who I disagree with on every single statement and level, et cetera. But I was like, if this party is smart, they'd nominate Nikki Haley and Nikki Haley against.

Oh, for sure. She's like destroy him. Not ideologically, again, in my view, but like like i think like she seems like an adult that just disagrees with everything that i believe in and in a way that like it would actually get people like the independence to yeah competent like neocon kind of like uh approach to politics and like sort of like hearkening back to like remember before donald trump when like politicians were like a little more like me? Yeah. Nostalgia.

Yeah. Yeah. As opposed to like a lot of the people, even people who were who were politicians before Trump are now like leaning very much into the Trumpiness of it all. And she is not. I could see that, I guess. That's true. It is hard to sort of gauge because like, like, what does the party believe in? It is hard to sort of gauge because like, like what does the party believe in? Like if you look at their, even their platform, right.

In the, in the, at the convention in 2016, it was, you know, maybe not something anyone here would agree with, but it had points. It had some, some information in 2020. I'm pretty sure it was just like whatever Donald Trump says, right. Like the, like the official like platform was just like, it's Trump. We are the Trump party. And now it was just like it's trump we are the trump party and now it's just like what do they want right how and if is it only because i feel like there's like an anti-biden anti-democrat position where it's like whatever he's doing it's all bad that's what we we don't like him we're anti-lib we're owning the libs that's what

our platform is um and then you have people who are like a little more serious and then you have like vivek who's like i'm anti-woke and i've got terrible ideas so it's like where are they gonna land on yeah well said cody i thought the same thing watching nikki haley but maybe that's just because she reminded me of like a 2008 Republican of just like, I'm actually, I don't want to call it refreshing honesty because that's ridiculous on this stage. But she said, look, I'm pro-life, but let's look at this practically. We're not going to get a ban through the Senate. I appreciated that. Yeah, she like said stuff that was true.

Like politically true. Like politically we can't do it. yeah she like said stuff that was true like politically true like refer to politics yeah but also she acknowledged that it's a complicated issue and there's lots of points and we aren't talking to each other in or listening to like she didn't say that specifically but was making that point of like let's be real there's lots of different word personal decision multiple times. It's shocking. You know, going as far as she can without also alienating all completely this pivotal part of the base. But like, but yeah, I agree. Not that I agree with what she wants.

It's a delicate dance you know but also like at a certain point and i you know it's a it is it is a rough that we are in this position and this is just how it is we don't know what joe biden will be capable of course in five months or seven months or and who it maybe he won't be involved in the election maybe it'll be kamala maybe somebody else will step up it's hard to even imagine that because even like 2016 joe biden versus 2020 joe biden drastically different and we're not gonna speculate on his health or whatever but like you can it's just observable um i guess he's he's lost a step or two and we don't you know maybe just literally just like being feeling about being like 50 years old uh against joe biden might be enough for some

people you know yeah um which i mean i i've been depressing saying this for a minute the amount of people that just don't like or so embarrassed by him or really do not have confidence in him for another four years is being remarkable 70 years old might be enough for some people against people truly do not trust him to do this again from anecdotally but you know and he feels that way he can't wait for whatever reason he and i think for whatever reason and it's a number of reasons he is unable to sell his successes like he can't get ahead of how it's characterized on his behalf like he's not like all the like all the like dark brandon like um embarrassing liberal meme stuff like that does like a little heavy lifting on their part.

But like he can't for whatever reason, he's unable to get in front of that. And that's what makes me think like a Nick. Well, and I guess I guess like the question in front of the Republicans in this case is always if it's not Trump, who are we going to go after? Are we going to try to get back the people we lost with Trump? Or are we going to try to fire up the people who like Trumpy things, but we don't know which Trumpy things and how they like it? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's like DeSantis approach. Like, are we going to do this or not? am equally nervous about what what biden's capacity is uh moving forward between now and later and it's not and people will you'll say this and people will be like well that's that can be sort of a um um seen as a prejudice against older but it's not older it's joe biden like joe this guy who i see and hear from every day doesn't give me the most confidence that he is gonna be okay right because even the

things he's he has done um you know there there's there's bad and there's good um and you want like a spry uh energetic person to be out there every day being like we've done this we've done this we're gonna do this look at this there are fewer drone strikes you know how everybody kind of doesn't like drone strikes well we don't do those as much anymore like these things like sell yourself it's the uh when the one of the first rounds of checks went out for the pandemic and trump made sure his signature was on those checks on all of our basic stuff like yeah just like say i did it and obviously you didn't specifically do it but like say you did. That's what people respond to. Yeah, the branding, the marketing of it.

Yeah, exactly. Everything's got a drawback, though. It's like, well, you know, the expanded child tax credit, we kept that going for a while, but now it's gone and all those kids are back in poverty. Well, I tried to do this thing with student loans,

but oh, it's gone and I have no more ideas. And then obviously it was going to happen anyway but the dobbs ruling happened on his watch and then he came out there and he's like why didn't any tip nobody told me this was gonna happen yeah right and so there's that feeling like yes he can't sell those things but every good thing is like well but it's actually not gonna work and maybe that's our side of things of just being like depressing and pessimistic right it's like inflation's kind of down like that's like the best i mean at the end of the day that's the job you might not feel it that much so it's hard for

that people to be like right exactly yeah it's like my eggs are still too expensive exactly it's less severe than when it was the worst a couple months ago he's got some time to work on the inflation things but i think he's gonna need something a little bit more juice well and if you're trying to buy a house right now or trying to sell a house like you're feeling that in the opposite direction so it's yeah it's i don't i don't envy i don't envy uh uh the the cell he has before him it seems uh seems like it's gonna be a heavy lift but at the same time i think the only thing that might save him is the fact that the and and we've seen things change overnight and so whatever but like this party that he is up against is such a listless shit show right now that that's the only thing he really has in his corner is that he's up against yeah i just think a shambles party

our own listless shit show of a side would be better served to get a different person there is like you know there's a lot of conflicts between us. There's still time. There's still time. But yeah, there's still time to sort of like rally behind like. Mayor Pete. Fine.

Sorry. Sure. Yeah, he's plenty bold. It's fine. He's plenty bold. Plenty bold. That's the little.

Sorry. Go ahead, Jonathan. No, I'm just going to say like we're an hour into the show and we got to do another hour on Tucker and Trump. I mean, that's like, we got to just play it through. sorry go ahead jonathan now i'm just gonna say like we're an hour into the show we gotta do

another hour on tucker and trump i mean that's like we gotta just play it through we really do need to spend a lot of time on donald trump i will say so katie you mentioned earlier that i that you think it would have hurt him to be there i think i might disagree with you i don't know if i disagree with you completely or agree with you less completely um but i feel like uh just i know there's like a like there's there are people on twitter.com which is what it's called uh who pay for it who love the tucker show on twitter but that also doesn't have the juice anymore people aren't logging on to twitter.com to watch new videos that are posted there they're there to see clips from tv but i think like trump being there i could have gone a certain couple

ways but i do think just him being there he would have destroyed them all it would have like the attention that he would have gotten from being attacked is what he yeah is fueled on like he attention is the economy and he gobbles it up. And I think it would have ultimately helped him. This is a good point. This is a good point. And honestly, as I had something I wanted to say when you started talking and then I was listening to you. And thank you so much.

The thing went out my brain. But everybody has an opinion about Donald Trump. Everybody knows what he'll say every you know everybody is no one's being convinced about donald trump on a debate stage all he's doing is allowing for an hour of people attacking him for this that or the other to make their case as to why so it's to me i'm like it seems like it makes perfect sense why he but it makes sense the worst i don't think that it improves his standing going there i truly i think to your point every day donald trump wakes up and goes what thing will i do where i donald trump will get the majority of the attention in the situation and and as just as

a showman and it wouldn't make sense to me in my view it doesn't make sense for him the the the star of the party to go on this stage and lower himself to be disagreed with by these people when instead you could have a one-on-one interview especially since everybody spent that most of that time i mean not most of the he was there in that room yeah oh it's not like he wasn't there it's not like we weren't all imagining what he was saying and he's got this whole one-on-one softball situation however i also think that part of him was hoping that that would be a bigger hit yeah and there was like in his mind a little bit of a competition about where will people show up. And they're not going to completely, they're not going to just go to Twitter.

Over time, those clips will live on and he'll get a lot more attention. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, it's just one of those things like I feel like he, you know, uh has some entertaining interviews but i think like he is at his uh peak juiciness if i may say uh when he is around other people uh who are attacking him and who he can attack and because also they're going to be in the position it's not just that they'll be like oh they're attacking him they're not really so you the position. It's not just that they'll be like, oh, they're attacking him. They're not really. So you would also see them floundering and trying like the dance that they have to do.

They are all dreading having to do that dance to his face. It literally would have been so many things loaded up for them. A conversation about him turning himself in the next day. It just doesn't make sense to me that there's going to be plenty of time for him to do that thing i will still do it yeah i don't i i you know i guess i just i i don't think it would have hurt him to go it might have helped him or been neutral um i guess i think like doing like one interview instead i will clarify that when i say that the only thing i could have done is that like it's not that it actually would hurt him but it is setting him up into a vulnerable position for everybody being paying attention to his many many many faults i don't know that that ultimately moves the needle but it's not a good place to be on stage with

everybody reminding the entire country that you're about to turn yourself in the next day i suppose i feel i just feel like some of that is like that's what they like right they want they want that's why they raise their hands to say we'd support him you know that's where the big and but again like that comes down to where the republican split is is like there is a significant amount of republicans that like even if they like trump are like it's bad that he is that he is in the legal trouble yeah even if we don't need to keep reminding them right even if not ideologically bad, like this is a person who can't pay for their campaign. Like, that's, that's obvious. Like, the you know, he can't pay to the finish line. It's not possible. It's simply not

possible. And so there are people who I think to your point, like having a conversation about that happening to him wouldn't be the best for him. You know, it's like it's where his big conundrum is now, right? Is that he gets to be the star of this new, amazing indictment show. And for his worst impulses, that's great. For his impulses about like maybe getting elected again, not great. Or spectacular.

Right, right, right. Yeah, it's just like that sort of tension. It's the same thing with like, with a lot of resistance libs. And I understand today's a big day for everybody. We're going to see the mugshot. It's going to be a funny little photo we get to see. I saw some people sharing they ones and like the other

people like the the the nine people or whatever uh and they photoshopped them uh to look like batman villains you got penguin you got two faces stuff and like waiting for the big one today and i'm like you're gonna photoshop trump's mugshot to look like the joker they're gonna love that they love the joker and trump being the joker they eat it up keep doing wasting your effort like you don't understand each other yeah he's the original it's the original troll it's the original we all need to talk to each other and understand each other so we stop wasting time on dumb memes um this has been i would call a resounding success what a podcast we really did it we talked only about the debate and a couple holidays sort of and embarrassed

myself cody's raising his hand no you didn't who knows what keys are records it's fine we talked about canon exactly that's the word specifically but we talked about i said Keys! That's the word someone could have told me. But we talked about canon. I said it's the note D. The thing that's on Van Nuys. You all know it. As if anyone knows my situation. Very specific. The note D is in

the key of D with the chord D. You nailed it. I'm not a music gal. That's fine. You know who's not a history guy? This is a bad transition. I'm not a music gal. That's fine. You know, he's not a history guy. This is a bad transition. I really had to, I have to mention Vivek one more time in the context of him wanting to raise the voting age to 25 and make people take a civics test to prove that they are allowed to vote. This guy, he's very young to be running for president uh

he said that the u.s constitution um is what won us the american revolution the vague that's not the order of what happened it's just like he says so many things that are wrong he maybe misspoke but he does it a lot. He does stuff like that a lot. He's wrong a lot about stuff like that. Little details like, well, this happened in history. That's not even remotely true. And I feel like maybe he should take that test before he gets back on the stage. Yeah, I agree with you.

But the important thing is, Katie, that you agree with me completely. And D, E, E C all notes. I'll go with sure. Actually C is not in the key of D. Sorry. Well, C sharp music lesson is for later. Alex,

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