Some More News - What To Do About Putin, the State of the Union, and Even More Pets With Thumbs

Episode Date: March 4, 2022

Hi. "Some More News" associate producer Quincy Tucker (@QuincyRashard) joins Katy and Cody to talk about the ongoing crisis in Ukraine, Biden's support for MORE police funding during the State of the Union, and we ask the important question: could Ben Shapiro name a Nirvana song? Support SOME MORE NEWS: http://www.patreon.com/SomeMoreNews We now have a MERCH STORE! Check it out here: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/somemorenews Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/some-more-news/id1364825229 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6ebqegozpFt9hY2WJ7TDiA?si=5keGjCe5SxejFN1XkQlZ3w&dl_branch=1 Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/show/even-more-news Right now, Some More News listeners can get 15% off their Raycon order at BUY RAYCON.com/somenews. Stop overpaying for shipping with Stamps.com. Sign up with promo code MORENEWS for a special offer that includes a 4-week trial, free postage, and a digital scale. No long-term commitments or contracts. Get an extra three months of ExpressVPN free at EXPRESSVPN.com/MORENEWS. That's EXPRESSVPN.com/MORENEWS. And for our listeners, right now Trade Coffee is offering a total of $20 off your first three bags when you go to drinktrade.com/morenews. To get started, take their quiz at drinktrade.com/morenews, and start your journey to your perfect cup. That's drinktrade.com/morenews for $20 off your first three bags. Follow us on social media! Twitter: https://twitter.com/SomeMoreNews Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/SomeMoreNews/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SomeMoreNews/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somemorenews  Support the show!: http://patreon.com.com/somemorenewsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

why hello there and welcome back to even more news the first and only news podcast my name is katie stole that's right oh it's so true that's your name that's the name of the podcast that's what they say about the podcast that's what they say about my name hi i'm cody cody you are cody johnson joining us today for the first time uh i'm thrilled is some more news's associate producer quincy tucker ladies and gentlemen nice to see and meet you all I love it we need a button we gotta figure out a way to get you guys a crowd

button there's no way Cody we need a soundboard we gotta get the app up here goes Jonathan he's doing it he's pulling it up yeah who's gonna do it first him or Cody I was just very quiet just under the wire.

You know, I appreciate you pulling out the app. The important thing is that we're celebrating. But we should get a real soundboard. I think you're right. We're deep enough into this show where we deserve one. We deserve one. 30 or 40 episodes at least. Yeah, I think so.

Real quick, before we get into all of it, gotta shout out this holiday. Gotta. There's no way I wouldn't. March 3rd, National If Pets Had Thumbs Day. Brr, brr, brr, brr. Get out of here. No.

What? No. Quote. I like it. Go on. While pets bring unconditional love and joy to our lives, not having opposable thumbs can present some limitations. On March 3rd, National If Pets Had Thumbs Day, we are given the opportunity to imagine

what life would be like if our fuzzy little friends had that extra digit. Would they use it for good or evil? Look, listen here. This is a fun SAT prompt. Go ahead. On March 3rd, National Pets Had Thumbs Day, we're given the opportunity to imagine what life would be like if our fuzzy little friends had that extra digit. We have that opportunity every single second of every single day because we have been gifted with the magic of imagination. And yet we choose not to exercise that option because why?

I do it every day. That's why I'm so exasperated with this. We choose not to exercise that option because why? I do it every day. You do? That's why I'm so exasperated with this. I was like, I actually imagine if pets had thumbs every single day and I don't need a day, I celebrate year round. That doesn't surprise me. It doesn't surprise me, but we've known each other a long time and I did not know that. So you just haven't been reading my letters? Oh, that's what those letters.

Describe in great detail? Yeah. If pets had thumbs. Oh, right. It all makes sense. Did you create this holiday? I've been wasting postage. Yes, you have.

What a waste of a Stamps.com account. Would they use their thumbs for good or evil? Oh, yeah. We haven't answered the question. Have you come to a conclusion? They're pure. I mean we haven't answered the question. Have you come to a conclusion? They're pure. I mean, a little bit of both. Also, it's like, how do you how do you know how it depends on how you define good and evil?

Yeah. What is their perception of good and evil? They have different, you know, one could say cultures. They're animals. They've got, you know, millions of millions of years of evolution behind them that make their view of the world different. Also, there's this is a little vague. So, okay, point taken, Cody. Very good.

What is good or evil? Will they try to kill that bird? Yeah, I bet they would use their thumb to try to kill that bird a little faster. But some of our pets don't have paws. So what, like, are fish going to have thumbs too? That's not a territory I want to go into. Read my letters. Okay.

This is all described in great detail. I wish my dog had thumbs because every time she eats, she just moves all of the food out the way and it's all on the ground. And then when she drinks water, it's water all on the ground. So if she had thumbs, maybe, just maybe, she would clean it up. Unless she's one of those evil dogs that Cody was telling us about. And she only doesn't do anything. She's evil. Because if you ain't cleaning up after yourself, you're evil.

Well, maybe to them, it's not necessarily evil. Exactly. They just think that that's the way it is. We're not going to clean up. It's our Western judgment. We're bringing a lot of human-centric judgment to this question. Which, again, it's all in the letters i'm like katie just like open one of them it's the same letter every single day every day do you have my actual address uh

okay we're gonna move on yes share my address right now. Quincy, hello. I just have to acknowledge that you have been a dynamite addition to our team. And we are thrilled to finally have you on the show so that everybody can get to know you like we know you. Thank you. Thank you. I guess I can tell a little bit about myself, right? Like stand up and present to the class. This is your time to share.

Well, I'll be brief. I'm from Detroit, born and raised. I've been living out in Los Angeles for three years now, going on four years. Moved from the East Coast. I was working for the Maury Show, worked for WWE. I worked for Jerry Springer. Done a lot of little one-offs. And yeah, for the past few years, just been making it happen

over in the Sunshine State because it's freezing in Detroit right now. And I couldn't imagine living anywhere cold in the wintertime. Like what human wakes up and say, hey, I'm going to live in the cold for six months out of the year and complain about it for six months out of the year, but I'm going to still choose to live there. I don't know. I'm not that guy. That's why I'm here. Yeah, you're a doer. You see a problem, you change it. You take control of the situation. Definitely. Exactly what I did. I don't like the cold.

Fucking out of here. Get on out of there. Scram. It dropped into the 40s here a few weeks ago. It sure did. That's right. It wasn't too bad, though. I can't lie. I liked pulling out. It was nice. Yeah, I enjoyed it just a little bit. As long as it's 40 and up, That's right. It wasn't too bad, though. I can't lie. I liked pulling out. Yeah, I enjoyed it just a little bit.

As long as it's... 40 and up. It's pleasant. Me and Cody have that in common because we're both Midwest kids and we're supposed to be like sworn enemies because he's from Ohio

and I'm from Michigan. And deep down inside, we really are, but not at the same time. No, there's a fiery rage. Absolutely. But, you know, we dampen it with civility.

All it does is add to the show. You know, that tension really. Exactly. You know, it's important, I think. Yeah, no, I couldn't. I can't. I can't do the cold. I can't at all.

40 degrees here. And I'm like, oh, it's no jacket. Well, your heaven is like a hot rock, right? In the desert. It really is. I mean, you couldn't have said it better. With a sun hat so that i can keep the sun damaged but you know like absolutely i'm a bit of a lizard oh man with thumbs i didn't say that no you didn't but it was implied one thing i don't have to worry about i can just sit in the sun and oh sure i gotta worry about yeah you don't

my bad i don't mean to show it off you know no it's okay i helps me out i mean it sure does i i definitely um genetically was not supposed to be predisposed to loving laying in the sun it's okay i still got black friends who think that i should wear sunscreen and i just don't listen to them oh Oh, I can't speak to that. I mean, maybe you should. Maybe it's your life. I don't wear sunscreen either. How are you doing, though? But only because I'm like lazy.

Because you're lazy? You just don't go outside. Yeah. Well, that's part of it, right? Part of laziness. You don't got to get up. His entire windows are blacked out. Well, that's for reasons.

That's for sound reasons. For shooting, I know. But you're not shooting right now. It's for reasons that's for sound for shooting i know but you're not shooting right now it's sounds for sound i can see the daylight peeking out around the sound curtains they just happen to also this is great audio content quincy how are you doing i know that you've been going through a lot and we wanted to give you an opportunity to talk about it how you're feeling right now i know yeah so before we even got on this call I had mentioned that recently my great grandma had passed and she's 95 years old and it's weird right because some person who lives 95 years old and I feel this way that is like you lived your life you lived a great life right so I shouldn't

feel down but I'm still a little bit hurt because i got a daughter now and i wanted my daughter to meet her her great great grandma even though she's not coherent neither one of them would be coherent enough to be like i remember this moment but nevertheless it's in my mind and it would have made me feel better but i can't lie just sitting over here talking with you guys for the last 10 minutes made me feel a lot better i'm good i feel okay i was gonna say great but that would be lying so i just say i feel okay well i'm glad that sitting here is a good distraction but i when you shared that it just so many people have lost so lost important members of their family during this time you know or haven't been able to see them. So I imagine over the past couple of years was not an appropriate time for you to go see your great, great grandmother and have your brand new daughter meet her. And it's just such a like gutting aspect of what we've all been through this time apart.

But she did have a long time. through this time apart but she did have a long time and you you know and like i you know i people on the show know that i've had some loss and it's always hard but it's hard because they were important to you because they were special because you love them and that is beautiful and your daughter will know her through you definitely i mean bright side we all look just alike and for me i'm like well okay if she lived to be 95 did see a picture she did look like yeah man you got some good genetics just alike but she lived 95 that mean i can possibly live to be 95 if that's something i want to do i can't imagine the world to be a place i want to see 95 years from now i mean you'd like to think it would be but i don't know man the

way the world is going it's actually like unfathomable what the world may be in what 2080 because i think that's what would be the year for me yeah i mean simulation years that's when we go and that's when we go into computers i mean we'll get i i think that we'll be coming back around to that throughout this episode and in general i mean yeah what is the future what do we have i mean things are dramatically changing as we speak and continue to and we'll talk about climate change and the state of the world it is hard to wrap our mind around but before we started recording and what you just said a moment ago about how you're good, maybe not great, but you're good. And before we started, you said, it's hard to keep me down.

I'm a positive person. Maybe that's not exactly what you said. Something to that effect. And that's what we love about you. You just, you got an unstoppable spirit, man. This is going off the rails. No, it's on the rails. I appreciate you.

I really appreciate you sharing that with us, though. You know, and we appreciate you being here, even though you're going through so much. Everybody got to be transparent. You don't have to be, I mean, but it's good when people are transparent so that they know that they're not the only ones going through certain things. So I'm big on that. Yeah. All right. I think it's time for us to talk about some news. Fun Cody fact. I'm actually 78 years old. What's my secret? Stamps.com. You see, friends, by using stamps.com to skip the trip to the post office, I saved so much time that I have defeated

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slash some news for the time between now and when humankind rises into our digital form where we can do anything we want and make as many holes as we want, which we will. So we are going to start the episode today talking about obviously the biggest story in the world right now, and that is the ongoing war in Ukraine. I don't even, I honestly don't even know where to begin. There's just so much that's changing so fast. As of this recording, there was an announcement that Ukraine and Russia had agreed during the second set of talks to open a corridor for civilians to evacuate through. And that seems to be true. But also at the same time, there are stories of, you know, talks between Emmanuel Macron and Putin and his warnings of it's about to get much worse.

And the obvious fact that while Putin and his army are much larger than Ukraine, they are not having the same, the instant success that they maybe anticipated and are ratcheting up a bunch of different ways of achieving their goals. And even after the first set of peace talks, peace talks, quote unquote, negotiations, initially it was reported that Putin had agreed to not target civilian locations, and yet that's exactly what's been happening in more and more numbers. So hard to say what is going to happen from that. Again, everything changes so quickly. I wasn't here last week to talk about this. Boy, I am having a hard time with it. It's all I can think about, you know, reading these reports and these stories. And I'm sure all of you are as well.

And it's hard, even over the past week, I've, you start to see the attention turn away from it in quite as it's not that we aren't all paying attention, but that I see less people sharing more back to normal posts on social media. And it makes me feel, I don't know, the whole thing makes me sick. And I think I'm preaching to the choir here right now. Gosh, there's lots to talk about. Let's start with, Quincy, you'd brought this up. And I think it's a really good thing to bring up when we talk about this story and and these are the reports of how african um african students and and and other immigrants in ukraine are being turned away uh as they try to leave the country

um you know not just african but in general non-white refugees. And lots of videos around social media of them being targeted, you know, kicked off the bus or not being allowed entry into Poland, for example. And it's awful to watch. Disheartening, but it's the reality of the world, right? People want to act like racism and prejudice don't exist, but there you have it alive and well. And I mean, to even further the point of when, and I know we all seen the videos all at the same time

of people being kicked off trains or whatever. A lot of people came at the situation like, well, is this real? You know, we need to hear more backstory, more information or whatever. And it's like, I can understand that to a certain extent, but for some people, they're not needing more information because they want to hear about it. They want more information because they want to say that it's fake. They want to say that

people are race baiting. How can, why is this a thing? And it's like, no, these are real students, real accounts, real people going through this. So it's like, there's no way you can say it or make it seem like it's not real but right you have people doing well i think it's it's so complicated to talk about i mean it is and it isn't but like especially when everything is so intense and emotions are so high it's hard to parse it out um and talk about it appropriately because yeah it's undeniable racism is alive and well especially in eastern europe you know and a lot of this doesn't necessarily have to do with ukrainians or the people that are fleeing this war-torn area it also has to do with the border guards in poland

who are letting people across the border um you know i'm sure it does have to do with Ukraine. Ukraine has a deep history, problematic history in terms of race. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it's indicative of the entirety of Ukraine today or its citizens or what those people are that are trying to leave this terrible situation. Also, they're being invaded. And so that doesn't disqualify the fact that this is a crimes against humanity are being committed um and we don't all of a sudden say oh fuck ukraine they're racist you know it's it's both things can be true and then it's even crazier because it's like you have these people who are being racist and whatnot but and then you have like like i've seen black

people at the same like i've seen some black people be like well okay why are we why are we back in ukraine if they're gonna act like this right but and then i also see people coming around and being like no we this is a time we all need to join together you know and i think random like the most hood is dude ever like yo we need to go get our gangs we need to go get our guns and go over there and help these people out so it's like it goes both ways and me personally i don't want to i don't want to see things like that or see racism or people being prejudiced and that deterred me from wanting the greater good wanting a greater outcome of the whole ukraine situation i don't know that it affect me that way but it's always on my radar of course it is

oh and lastly i just wanted to mention to decide racism that other people end up going through like one of the um journalists the ukrainian journalists they were like these are not refugees we are used to these are europeans these people are intelligent they are educated people so it's like even when people aren't going through the blatant racism of hey these you can't get on this train only ukrainian people they're still gotta go through it with like oh when they're crossing the borders of like you're black you might be i don't know how i should take you right now are you a refugee of european descent or are you a refugee of africa and you're here to steal things and all this other stuff and it's like people shouldn't have to deal with that i i think it's like it's very i think we want so much for there to be i

think we want things to be simple so it's like okay well russia's the bad guys and ukraine's the good guys but then that doesn't square with our thing of like well ukrainian border guards might have done a bad thing but like no both things can be true uk, Ukrainian border guards might have done a bad thing. But like, no, both things can be true. Ukrainian border guards could have done something they shouldn't have done. And Russia should not have invaded Ukraine. And there's no like disparity in holding both of those things up. But I think we're in this media landscape, where right now it's like people are buying like Ukrainian flags left and right. And like, good, I'm glad we're like supporting Ukraine. I'm glad we're donating to humanitarian efforts and stuff like that. But like, we have to keep an eye out for like truth and that bad things are happening and that it's not always it's not just like Putin doing all of them to everyone.

And that's the simple answer. Right. They have, you know, they've got like far right extremist groups like fighting there and like there are all these like situations like war sucks and war is bad um and usually uh both both sides of war are going to do some uh horrific things and um yeah i was gonna say that's okay it's not okay but like that's like it's how it is it's okay to acknowledge that and to yeah i don't know we we've got such a a culture of like john like you were saying like good team bad team good guys bad guys my team their team um and it uh we'll talk about this a little later but like just all the the forceful, like the standing of certain presidents and and these figures like, well, it's all is it is this how we watch war?

Is it like this sort of like TV show that we're kind of like trying to navigate? And I don't know. It's yeah. Well, honestly, it's like Trump made his people go so far left in a time where everybody should be coming together people are still bickering about well why did joe make this decision or why are the left doing these things and it's like when the whole 9-11 thing happened all of that shit dropped to the ground and everybody was like now we gotta come together figure this out where it's like now with everything going on they still figuring out ways to make it a left and right problem and it's like if we're talking about russia it shouldn't be left or right it should be one problem that's it but it's still

so many other things to go into the situation oh yeah we will never uh come together again for any any any cause not even on something that should be clearly obvious yeah or resisting something that's clearly obvious like yeah like you could even tell once once the invasion happened like a week ago there were so many people who were like i'm gonna wait until i know what the my senator says before i know what to think about this and it's like well no this is an invasion people are dying needlessly this is bad have an opinion you shouldn't have to search for one. But like a bunch of Republicans were like, yeah, are we on Putin's side now?

We don't know. They're all confused. Yeah, they don't know yet. Well, especially because Donald Trump is up there. Yeah. Speaking of some of the things that you said earlier, Quincy, that I think are important, we did talk about on Worst Year Ever a bunch, but it's worth talking about here a little bit as well yeah there's a real distinct difference in the way we talk about this refugee crisis versus others

and uh how we look at the racism inherent in the media coverage of it and like these are white refugees they don't look like other refugees. What the fuck is that? You know, like if that's not a glaringly obvious problem, I don't know what is. There are refugees all over the world. There are people dying unjustly at the hands of tyrannical governments everywhere. You know, these, these, these ones are Netflix accounts. Yeah. And Twitter accounts.

These ones are clean. Netflix accounts. Yeah. You see. And Twitter accounts. And it is so important to be calling out all of it while also acknowledging this terrible shit that's happening that needs our attention. And also, yes, to the memification, to the polarization of sides, we're all championing Zelensky.

And he's a president and he's doing a good job right now using media and not running like a coward. I shouldn't say that. Not running like a lot of people would do, which like I probably would do in that situation if I'm honest. I don't know. I can't imagine. It's hard. But there's still people and governments and making choices that are a risk calculation with people's lives. And it's not a movie. A few other things I wanted to bring up before we move on to other other topics. There's just so much going on and stuff to watch for. I wanted to mention the thermobaric vacuum bombs. I first heard about this actually today and horrified me and I hadn't known about it. And this is something to watch out for. I guess Ukraine's ambassador to the US and the UK

has said that they're already being used, but this hasn't been verified. This is a new type of nuclear weapon that hasn't been used on a battlefield before but it is certainly at play potentially which essentially like i don't know exactly how they work but it's like mass suffocation event for people yeah i think i've seen it in a movie before something about some crazy bomb it lands and like sucks all of the air and then it like explodes with all sucks out. Sounds real sci-fi-y. I don't know. And I just wanted to mention this because, you know, Twitter is aflame with the idea of nuclear war or, you know, we're staying out of this because we don't want World War III. All of that fair.

I'm not saying otherwise. But I think that a lot of people myself included were thinking about the nuclear threat in terms of something international or you know like what we've seen in the past instead of um this which is horrifying in a different way yeah i mean you can have horrifying bombs that aren't necessarily nuclear bombs um because it's not like a nuclear device um but it's uh it's a devastating uh thing so my question is like when you find out things like this and not just you guys like the our government or whatever but the question is posed to you all three of you as a matter of fact because i've been asked the question multiple times over the last week what do you guys think that our country or any country should do to make it better?

Like, obviously, everybody's doing sanctions right now, but is that enough? Do you think it's enough? And I mean, be honest here. I don't know. I'll let Cody go first. I have some thoughts, but go. Usually it tends to be don't join a war and do more war. tends to be um don't join a war and do more war um and uh i think like sanctions and stuff i think uh if they're targeted like targeting like oligarchs and like taking their yachts and

things which i think is uh in effect but uh oftentimes i think sanctions will really uh harm like civilians that aren't like they're not involved in the war they just they are just there uh like you know they're like certain sanctions can uh hurt people who are like protesting the war um because they live there oh i mean it's devastating for the people in russia yeah for the average citizens and also i just think if we're going to provide anything um we should provide uh medical care and like aid um i think uh that's like i don't know i i'm you still have to get our people in there into a zone and then our people get attacked then we're implicated to maybe in yeah it's just like what's our responsibility

like everything opens up a can of worms and you know we're sending weapons right and we trained we've been training their military up until the last week we had people in there over the last many years training and equipping their government um in anticipation for something like this. Yeah. And I just I think we have America has a history of training and funding the weapons of a lot of people abroad, and it never turns out well. There's a there's a series of things that we tend to do that always seems to bite the rest of the world in the ass later down the line. And we never seem to not do those things. So but but right now we're trying not to do some of those things. But if Russia wins and installs a pro Putin government, this isn't the end of the conflict.

There's going to be insurgencies that we fund, that we aid, until causing chaos and it won't stop. It won't stop like that. So it'll just become a different kind of conflict. So what is it that we're signing up for? What is our response? I mean, it is a complicated thing to answer. And I feel hesitant to give a full answer because I don't have it. It is hard to watch this going on and to be like the whole world is sitting here watching this happen. And does it stop there?

Putin's already talked about like, oh, okay, if you include this place with NATO, then this is a threat. If you do anything, this is a threat. And it opens up to like, I understand that there's this nuclear standoff, this whole idea of de-escalation because we've both got nukes pointed at each other. Well, we've got that, but we're still letting crimes against humanity, unfathomable amount

of people die. I don't know what this world order is. I don't know what this world order is. I don't, I don't know how you navigate it. I don't know if we should have a NATO, a NATO coming in and, and defending because it's, it's, I don't,

I mean, that's a, that's, that's not the person to answer, but it's though, right? Like if that's the world war, I know,

I know. But like, if we come in, then NATO's looped in, you know, it's like, that's, I guess that's,

you see it sort of why, like, what? Why we haven't and why we probably won't. I think not having an answer is a valid answer. That's okay because not everybody has the answer, you know? And I think it's going to change. So another thing, I've just been, like, listening and reading everything I can. It's a conversation of how long can we truly – there are people people saying like, how long can we watch? What is the calculation? What's the tipping point where all of a sudden we do get involved? Is it the continued civilian casualties, which I mean, I don't know if he's going to ramp it up or

if he's actually going to honor this corridor. Like it's as of right now, I have to assume that we won't get involved. Yeah. I mean, yeah. How long have we, you know, sold Saudi Arabia weapons they use in Yemen? Like there's like, you know, we I know. And it's not fair. I don't know. It's just like there's so many situations like this where it's like, well, but what else do we I don't know. I know. But and then and I know what I'm about to say doesn't negate that because I agree with you completely. But then there's also the reality that this is a different situation and Putin is a different kind of threat to Europe, to the world, and what his actual goals are and what he's willing to do. well taken yes i agree with all of that also this person is an irrational actor and what do we do about that um and again i don't have the answers and i'm not disagreeing with you so everybody back off yeah i guess well because like you know yeah i don't know it's like uh yeah he's not a rational actor but is it rational to do things that we've done is it rational to continue to you know like

what do you mean by rationality no it rational to continue to you know like what do you mean by rationality no it's not but i'm talking about putin and how we handle him like versus other leaders and what they're what they're threatening does that make sense you know i i no i know i'm not saying that i i know we're good guys i i know uh i just don't know how you handle it. I have never thought that we should get involved in things. It just always leads to perpetuating violence.

But it is a calculation of when do you get involved. We didn't get involved with World War II for a really long time. I mean, my stance on it is like at the end of the day, a problem of the day is a problem of the day that you don't fix is going to be a problem tomorrow so it's like regardless of what's like like there's been an issue for us for like 22 years and not just us but people in europe people in russia people in asia he's an issue so in order to get rid of the issue i don't want nobody to just like

kill the guy or snipe the guy or anything like that but i'm all for like a capturing or something because not only did he start a war so that's a that's a war crime right there like he's already we know he's committed crimes that he should spend the rest of his life in jail for so to pity pat around this idea that we what we should or shouldn't do is like no what we should do is capture this guy throw him in jail and then figure out everything afterwards but if we're not that, then what are we really all this to what? Well, because then we try to capture him. We're not involved in the war, and we're at World War.

Yeah, but hey, we might be doing the Russians a favor. I try to think of a solution, and of course I don't have one. The only solution that works involves John Wick. That's the only solution that like works involves like john wick that's the only yeah yeah solution that that works for most people i'm i'm with cody in that it's like whatever is the thing that will lead to the least amount of one least amount of suffering is what we should do just like whatever that is i don't know what that is and the yeah like the sanctions have the potential to lead to a lot of pain among the Russian people. I guess the idea is that it causes them enough pain that they rise up and overthrow Putin.

Great. But I don't know that we have. I guess. But his approval is pretty strong there. Like they like Putin as far as we can tell. I mean, this war is not popular there, though. Also, like how fucked up and cruel is that way of thinking like if we fucking if we fucking like oh we're gonna do this to them and then they'll like realize that

well yeah it's a it's also i need to interject something that i don't have it in front of me but fucking cryptocurrency is not banned so a lot of these oligarchs and the rich people are using crypto. And there's a world where that is just completely undermining, at least in terms of the people we most want it to affect, you know, not the everyday people that now don't have access to food or gas, and, you know, can't get on Russian TV is, you know, everything that are actually feeling the impacts of the sanctions. Now, I don't, again, I don't have in front of me, but look into that. It's a thing to watch. I don't know. That might do the opposite for me. If I'm a citizen in your country and you telling me like, if I'm a citizen in Russia, right. And now I can't go to the store

and get some food because all these countries around me are no longer giving me food. Am I going to be more mad at Putin or more mad at the countries putting the sanctions on? Right, right. Well, especially when they've been propagandized to believe that everything Putin is doing. I mean, I think that a lot of people don't believe that Putin kills his opponents. don't believe that Putin kills his opponents. A lot of people believe the false flags, believe the thing because compared to their life before Putin, I mean, under Boris Yeltsin, it was not good. And Putin has brought them into modernity a little bit. There's food. People have more money and income.

Their quality of life has improved over the last 20 years. That's a fact for a lot of Russians. Not that everybody loves him, but it's part of why his approval rating is good. At least as far as we know, because also can we trust any information? Exactly. That's my thing.

Are they scared? Do we know whether or not they scared like do they do we know whether or not they really like russia or is it like everything out of fear like have you talked to any russians uh lately or not just like ask them um i've been listening to stuff and reading things and i think there's a varied opinion there's of course huge protest movements up erupting there so you can't speak general as generally but yes as terms of what his approval ratings before this conflict especially they would say that they're up in the 80s other people would say it's more like 50s or 60s still strong compared to what we have for any president here

um and yeah i do know anecdotally people uh i've i have uh friends with with parents who are russian and you know or live in russia still and uh i mean one of them was like yeah yeah pro putin really you know and like so yeah it's both i mean they just have a they have a robust propaganda machine there it would be like yeah exactly states only had fox news then Trump would probably have been in the 70s and 80s of popularity because there's no other option so like you know this war at least does not appear to be popular

with your John Q Russian I don't know why I said that it doesn't appear popular with just your average Russian that's the guy's appear popular with just every Russian. That's the guy. John Q. Yeah, with John Q Russian.

And so like, you know, Putin's got an issue on his hand winning that information battle at home. But is it enough to be like, oh, our sanctions are going to make everyone rise up, overthrow him, and then, you know. Probably not. John Q American starts leading. John Q capitalist leads Russia. Like, you know.

I was going to say, I went to the park on Saturday and it was a lady sitting there and I heard that she had an accent. So I'm like, hey, where are you from? Getting to know her or whatever. And she said she was actually from Russia. And of course, me being me, I'm going to ask her, so what do you think should happen? Right? And she's like, I think she should kill the

fucker. Like, just like that. She has family over in Russia. She said her family don't like him either. Yeah. So every time I meet somebody who I feel like they got an accent, I'm always just trying to ask and see, like, where's your headset on it? But you got, like, you're probably right. This probably is a portion or section of Russians who back Putin. But then I think at the same time, it's people who probably back him because they're scared of being killed.

You know, they just impose like some, I think you get 20 years if you give money. If you're a Russian and give Ukrainians money, I think it's 20 years or something like that. But yeah, I mean that's the thing. Like it's – well, I think it's important to like even push back on like how we talk about this a lot, especially in America. We're like, yeah, the Russians this, the Russians this, the Ukrainians this. That's – they're not a monolith like that's uh it's not a helpful way to talk about a nation of people um we like you can see the protests against this you can talk to like you're saying like yeah this person wants them to get fucking shot in the head or whatever uh whereas these people uh support him and there's going to be a lot of people in between too and

we you know no one who talks like that i think would uh appreciate it like you know when they go abroad like oh americans and this like well i'm an individual who doesn't agree like when trump was the president you don't want people to lump everybody in like all the americans and they're trump guys well no that's like we, everyone, everybody is different. No nation is going to have like a monolith of people who are like, yeah, you can, where you can talk about them in that way. I think it's really important to highlight. I mean, it's, again, it's kind of the through line of this episode when we're talking about Ukrainians and this conversation of racism, as well as when we talk about Russia,

Putin is not Russia or Russian citizens. And they are a country filled with people with different opinions. Oh, no. I mean, yeah, I just, I agree. I think we, and I see a lot, again, especially like in, you know, when these big events happen, when something like major is going on, some massive tragedy or something like this that is a compounding tragedy where, you know, a lot of the, a lot of just like the punditry will like, like we've talked about here and on Worst Year Ever, the masks sort of like slip. Not even slip. They just like gleefully take it off and like well these are uh white civilized

people therefore this is like the first war that i care about and stuff like that um and you see a lot of the you know that sort of talking like the the russians are are so guilty it's like what do you mean the russians like do you mean like a specific person or just like the russians it's very like weird like cold war kind of like way of talking about these uh these really complicated conflicts yeah and it's heartbreaking for them too this is heartbreaking cody like to agreeing with what you're saying not telling you cody like the how this affects you know citizens everyday lives there in Russia. But how about the soldiers who are largely young? It's a conscription.

It's not like you get to, you have to, people get conscripted into the service and military in Russia. And it's young. There's that text message. We read it out loud on Worst Year Ever, so we won't do it now. But that text message thread from the Russian soldier saying, Mama, I'm in Ukraine. They told us that they would

be happy to see us but they're calling us fascists they're throwing their bodies underneath our trucks to stop us from coming mama i'm afraid i want to kill myself i mean that's yeah and that's i mean that's tragic it's gonna sound flip and i don't mean it like that but like that's war right like that's you know and like america like we don't have like a draft or anything like that. But that suggests that these people don't understand. We have, you know, a very predatory approach to recruiting people in the military. And so we're going to prey on like, you know, poor people, get them in the military and then put them in these situations where they're just bodies to the people making decisions. Sorry, Katie.

No, I mean, I. That is true. Totally. I agree. I mean, it's a little. Yeah, it's not different. It's true. It's predatory here.

I think that there are more people in the American military that actively choose to be there that want to be there because they see themselves as a hero. Oh, for sure. And that's because because, again, we don't have a we don't have a draft or anything like that and that's also propaganda like fooling people into joining but i my specific point being that sorry like just similarly like you know when we go and invade iraq we were told we would be greeted as liberators like that is that's the line that you tell your invading army, right?

Like this is good. We're doing it for a good reason. And they're going to love that we do this. But do you think Cody, do you think they could ever do it? Right. Like, do you think we could like,

yeah, I mean, absolutely. A hundred thousand soldiers train them and do all that stuff, but have them just to have them. Not for war, not for invading, not for anything like that. We're just going to have these guys just in case, I don't know, aliens or something like that was ever coming.

Because the idea would be like, and that's where I feel you on the fact of if I'm at war, my job is to go shoot somebody. Why am I shooting this man whose job is just to shoot me? Neither one of us know each other. We both got families back home. We're both fighting for our country's cause but what are we really doing this for to just end up with the war full of dead bodies and unhappy people and families who don't have men or women to go home to yeah it's just spreading devastation um and like you know materially physically and also like spiritually in a way um and i don't know i i always come back to

uh i feel like we've talked about this before but just uh we spend hundreds of billions of dollars And also like spiritually in a way. And I don't know. I always come back to. I feel like we've talked about this before. But just we spend hundreds of billions of dollars every single year on oftentimes weapons we don't even use and weapons we know do not work. We build shit that doesn't work, but we still spend money on it. And there's just an even like a better approach of just like, what if we did that for things that help people? What if we spent all of that money on like medicine and like disaster relief? You know, we have all this technology and equipment.

Like, well, what if there's a disaster, we send our disaster army. Like it's the department of defense we rarely have ever used it for defensive purposes it's a language game we say it's the department of defense but it's an offensive thing it's uh it's to kill people um we're not defending anybody if it was a department of defense we would have uh actual like defensive measures for like i said like what is what what are we what is uh attacking us the fucking weather like you know all these other things that are external that uh we could defend ourselves against but we ignore because

uh we need to get that sweet money um Yeah, but these people is crazy. Some dude told me yesterday, he was like, why would I give my money to Americans when they're just gonna spend it on drugs or they're obese. So why would we fix healthcare in America when they're obese? I'd rather spend that money on defense. My reply is

like, well, bro, if you fucking people didn't piss off the world, maybe you wouldn't be so scared that you felt the need to build this big defense thing that just needs so much money. It's like, stop being shitty to people around the world. And then we wouldn't have to, you and your folks wouldn't have to be so scared. Yeah. And it's like, you know, it's an expansive thing, too. And there's even like what I'm suggesting is like there, you know, there's an imperialist element to it where it's like, well, what gives us the right to go and like to other places to do anything, even if it's to help? Because we are always we always have that view of what we're trying to do anyway.

So I don't know. We spent like what, like 10 percent, 10 percent of the money we spent on like medicine and health care. money we spent on like medicine and health care only only 10 went to 90 percent uh like in places where 90 percent of uh the uh like world's diseases are like treatable we it's we're all out of whack is my point i think i lost my train of thought um we're bad we're bad we're bad is my we are i think super bad yeah we're as bad we're bad medicine good why howdy cow folk we all go through a coffee rut every now and then who amongst us hasn't hurled their mug full of dull mediocrity across the room in a fit of coffee rage the mug pops against the wall and all you can do is watch and scream. We have all been there. Why not shake things up and use trade coffee instead? Trade sells and delivers a huge variety of the freshest,

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so i had planned to to talk about multiple topics this this episode but but we really did it with Ukraine. So before we go, I would like to at least talk about the State of the Union, which happened this week in the midst of all this. And the State of the Union is always boring, so we're going to skip to the most sensational parts. No. The part that stands out the most here for us. The drama.

Basically, in the State of the Union, he made it clear that any administration might push for reallocation of police budget is not going to happen. Biden, quote, we should all agree the answer is not to defund the police. The answer is to fund the police with the resources and training they need to protect our communities they because they don't

have well they don't have the resources and training they need uh they don't have it they don't have it so he's not lying they don't have the resources they need more they they've been they've been trying they've been trying for decades to do their jobs, but they just haven't had enough resources, you see. And if they just did, then it would be fine. Are we planning on giving them resources other than guns and tanks? That's the question. And training other than shoot people?

Yeah, it's nonsense, ridiculous. It's very, I mean, it's partially funny because there's this very skewed and I think purposefully misleading view of Biden of like he's like a puppet of the left and they all all the Dems want to defund the police. and the messaging is bad. But like literally, if you explain the concept to a person, it's a very understandable and good solution to a lot of problems. It's very obvious that we have police do things that they shouldn't be doing. It's a waste of their time, honestly.

Like there's almost like a way to frame it of like, don't you think we ask too much of police? Aren't we asking too much of them? Shouldn't they do less than focus on like the things that we want them to do? Right. It's it's the it's the phrase defund the police that everyone's so upset about when it's like, how about we explain what we're talking actually saying? This is kind of my issue in general. This is not a surprise to anybody.

But with Democrats and how we're handling it, also in the State of the Union, you know, there's this whole scrolling. I'm not going to find the actual part. But in reference to inflation, you know, I've got a plan for inflation. Well, how about you talk about what inflation actually is and what's actually happening? We don't explain that. We just say, like, we've got a plan for inflation. Well, how about you talk about what inflation actually is and what's actually happening?

We don't explain that. We just say, like, we've got a plan for inflation. It's not Biden's fault. Like, maybe there's certain things that are gambles that exacerbated in the short term, but also you're trying to benefit people from the pandemic. Take the time to explain it. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah.

That's a frustration for me. I mean, it's a i mean it's a big problem for democrats in general the lack of um uh communication skills um and ability to explain things i think biden uh suffers from it possibly the most uh partly i think because he doesn't necessarily want to do the things that he was forced to promise to do during the primaries like he's very much like, oh, people like the Bernies and the Warrens and stuff. I got to say stuff too. And so he sort of tried to, you know, calibrate his actual positions with that. And so he doesn't actually want to do a lot of the things

he said, like student loan debt, stuff like that. He's not mentioned a public option since before the election, probably. But he's also really bad at saying, here is the situation and here's why it exists. Here's what we can do about it. Here's why what we can do about it is good. And here's how it will help you. He's a very bad communicator, which one could argue is like the most important aspect of leadership, being a good communicator, communicating what's going on, why it's going on, what you're going to do about it, why what you're going to do about it is good, how what you're going to do about it will help people who are listening to you. And he's just not able to really do that. He can't be straight to the point because he's almost like 80 years old, like everything he's

known and everything he's done has led up to this moment so he's not gonna be any different or off the cuff other than the way he's been the whole entire time right and i mean for us it's like it's all talk and it's always been all talk yeah like regardless of who's in office it doesn't make me feel any different because at the end of the day it's not like we needed this stuff just today we needed this stuff five years ago 10 years ago 15 years ago so this guy doesn't make a difference for me i mean but it does it feels good when somebody says all these things but it doesn't change anything in the back of my head right because yeah because it's not uh it's there for rhetoric's sake it's there to talk it's not there to actually do anything about it and if he did actually mean it or say something

about it it would require i feel like we've talked about this before too, so much, it's, Biden's such a unique, unique young man for this position because so many of the things that we talk about now and the problems that we're facing, he had such a very clear hand in creating. And in order to actually address those issues and actually do something about them, he has to admit that he was wrong and that what he did before was actually bad. Don't talk about accountability. America hates that. Right. And like 80 year old white man, I don't think you're going to apologize or admit you're wrong about something, especially something as far reaching and drastic and uh you know life-changing to so many people as as these things now not when he's trying to be the oldest president or candidate ever i think accountability like you say it goes a

long way because i mean like even with the inflation thing like everybody wants to talk about inflation but it's really because they don't pay us a fuck enough forever. Like, there's no reason that there's a minimum wage of $7 in any state in America. But nevertheless, you can still find that. And I don't care if it only costs $300 or $400 for one bedroom apartment in that town or city. That town or city still lacks so many other things that other towns and whatnot have. So at the end of the day everybody deserves a certain amount but hey we can't even acknowledge that we haven't been getting that to you know actually make any leeway in getting more right and it's such a inflation even then

like being able to go up every day you're the president you can do you can talk every day if you want you're the the blast guy did it every fucking minute of every single day. And just something simple like, did you know that we have a minimum wage for a reason? And it's this reason. Did you know that we raise the minimum wage regularly for decades because of how the economy works? Now we need to do that.

And then we stopped doing that. And so we need to do it again. Like just very simple explaining why something stopped or why we did it originally, why we need to do it again like it's just very simple explaining why something stopped or why we did it originally why we need to do it again why we need to do it more than we would have if we kept doing it um if we kept raising the minimum wage we would it would be like 20 or 25 dollars an hour or something like that we stopped and so now we're like we got to do it 15 it's like well 15 is actually like not enough now. It's not enough.

It's not. So, yeah, it's just it's a whole mess. We need that in the 90s. Also, you know who doesn't need more funding? Like, for example, in Minnesota, law enforcement agencies have been carrying out a secretive, long running surveillance program targeting civil rights activists and journalists in the aftermath of the murder of George Floyd in May 2020. Happens all the time.

Tale as old as time. There it is. Look up all the people from Ferguson who have wound up dead or that situation there. It's just maybe they don't actually need more resources and money because how they use it isn't good. It's not a problem with the amount of resources they have it's what they do before we have to wrap up i think we don't need to acknowledge the heckling because fuck them that's embarrassing um i so hot take sorry a that picture is very funny uh you can tell they're smiling because they know that they're doing a meme they know that they're getting attention for

it and they know oh god isn't this funny we're having a fun time and yeah so there's that also the hot take part i don't know it who doesn't want to yell at the president like i'm not going to say it's cool that they did it or that they're good or cool but don't you want to yell at the president any president will do i don't know not um right before he's about to talk about his dead son was that when he was they were doing it what the fuck is wrong with people i just thought they were heckling him yeah he was about he was talking about the burn pits and then they started like screaming like the 13 service members they're your fault or whatever and then they started screaming, like, the 13 service members, they're your fault or whatever. And then he started going into my...

So they would have done it anyway. Also, what about the many service members who died of COVID? Which happened. I didn't realize that was the timing of it. They would have done it anyway. So, okay. Adjustment to my hot take. Yell at the president.

It's fine. Maybe not when he's talking about his dead son. That's reasonable. Maybe not then. But also, they don't care. Maybe not then. You can tell in the photo. They don't actually care what the things are yelling about.

They're smiling. They're having a fun time. They're like, ooh, we're going to do a meme right now. Yeah. It's just like there's such like. They pregame meme Lords. They just, they just want to do the thing that will get people riled up or talking

about them specifically or sharing that photo. And you can see in, in their faces, like you're, you don't care. The things you're yelling could be anything. You're just smiling about it. Whatever.

And finally, before just have got to call out ben shapiro's contribution to the dialogue which was comparing his speech to kurt cobain killing himself do you want to hear this uh clip at all no okay we don't need to um or well yeah fuck that guy uh that's a quincy raises a great fucking point i don't want to hear it i guess i mean this is a good point such a good point quincy at the end of the day anybody that tells me to my face that any president after a certain period of time in American history is worse than any president before the 1900s. Fuck you, because you just know.

Can't nobody today be not can be worse than anybody who backed slavery, owned a slave or anything like that. Like we have lists of the people. You can't sit there and tell me that this guy, Biden, Joe Biden, who's been president for like a year or two years now, is worse than any of those guys. We can't. Like, you don't deserve dialogue or anything. He's a ridiculous person. Can I say, what about a president who, had he been alive back then, absolutely would have owned slaves? Which would have been a lot of them.

But yes, you're right. You're right. Oh, my God. Yes. yes i mean but all of them right let's not pretend biden wouldn't also like biden biden would own some slaves too like let's be let's be clear a hundred thousand percent would have like hillary clinton like technically i know as i was saying it i'm like i'm not i'm not excluding joe biden but we would have had very very few presidents yeah i think maybe there's like one president who might not have i mean obama probably the one so we i guess we don't have to listen to it it's just like because we don't want to subject our listeners to

is uh the dulcet tones of ben shapiro but likegusting. But the idea, he's so mad all the time about whatever he just makes up. And it's really funny. I think it's funny that he is saying that Joe Biden is the Kurt Cobain of politics. He put a shotgun in the mouth of the American. Which actually sounds, I know, but the first part of that sentence

sounds like a compliment. Oh, yeah. It sounds like, yeah, he revolutionized. Like, oh, yeah, he really inspired a lot of people and changed music for a period of time. So like, OK, Ben. He was so influenced by the meat puppets. Yeah, not off to a great start analogy wise.

But so his actual analogy. So Joe Biden is the Kirk of politics. He put a shotgun in the mouth of the American body politic and then pulled the trigger. And the brains are on the wall first of all um if you really want to get the analogy right maybe say joe biden is the courtney love of politics and kurt cobain is the america of politics yeah just throwing that out there you go um also i and this is a thought i had too and jonathan you're pointing it out here too is he's like he loves saying body politic he like can't get enough of it he just loves it he's like he's like he's an ape he's like like he's an AP history and he's like yes the body politic and it's like just say like American politics or whatever like it's just this like little Harvard boy just being like in the body politic yeah i think it's really funny he tries to write as if he's like an angry uh essayist and he's like well this is a building

you know like he's gonna use just like the vocabulary like he thinks he's writing the federalist papers like that's how he wants to be talking he wants to be like writing like foundational documents about about politics and stuff. And it's always funny when he does. But also, and this is just a throwaway thought. He's saying like, yeah, Biden is like having the worst first 14 months of any president. And I would argue that William Henry Harrison had the worst first 14 months of any president. Nuh-uh.

Because he only got one. Oh, okay. That's much worse. His first month was okay. It was okay. Yeah, that's probably true. He was very sick. His first month was okay.

The next 13 kind of sucked. Yeah, but arguably maybe that's the best. One could argue that it's actually the best. You're right. Because, yeah, he was sick for a month and then fucking died maybe that's better than all presidents should experience that bullet dodged in many ways um this feels like a good place to wrap up the show delight though it's been kurt cobain of politics name a single nirvana song man man. I swear to God. Name a song by a band. I just... I can't. I can't with this fucking guy.

Sorry. No, I mean all of these points are well taken. Rusted Roots. Send me on my way. It absolutely would be a Rusted Roots song. That's really funny. Awesome.

I mean, look, I agree with you guys completely I don't know but I also want to go eat some food and not talk about news for a minute be fucked up if Shapiro's like a really big like guy to my voices fan or like really the pavement or something

like wait what he's like a big balance of Ashton head is my guess. We could do a whole episode on what the funniest music. Like, yeah. Like, what's the funniest band for Ben Shapiro to be a fan of? Honestly, the answer is any band. Dave Matthews Band.

Fish. I don't know. Quincy, you have been a wonderful guest. You're welcome back anytime and thank you can't wait please do because we are always looking for guests well not anytime we've got to have other guests at some point yeah yeah yeah

maybe not next week you sure that's already taken care of like soon but alright alright and in the meantime tell our listeners where they can find you online plug any other projects you got whatever you want this is your time I guess I can do a little plug they can find you online plug any other projects you got whatever you want this is your time i guess i can do a little plug you can find me at quincy richard that's my first name on my middle name at quincy richard and then if you listen to podcasts besides this one because

i know this one's your favorite check out um what did i miss and also check out the joe trippy show you you guys might like that one because it's a lot of like politics a lot of like left stuff a lot of real news a lot of good things to say oh you do you sure but it's not a news podcast yeah let's let's be clear it's not another news podcast because this is no exactly it's only one and And the only one. But it's similar in that they talk about stuff. They play clips of this, the only news podcast. Yeah. And then we talk about this.

Yeah, that's the whole show. Yeah. Yeah. You know when you put on a news podcast and you're like, why is this just clips of even more news? Well, the answer is because it's the only podcast. Right. Boom. All right, guys.

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