Someone Knows Something - S10 E4: The Red Cab

Episode Date: March 30, 2026

Digging deeper, David talks to an eye witness who says she saw something the night Jackie disappeared. David works with producer María José Burgos to call the authorities to get access to Jackie's investigative file. What did police find? Did they have a suspect?

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You say that you were punched in the face. Was there any other altercation physical, like were any scratches or marks on your body from the interaction you had? From that interaction, no. But you're probably referring to the scratch that I had on my leg. I'm sitting with Sebastian in his backyard, looking at the scar on his leg. On the day Jackie disappeared, Sebastian says she punched him in the face, causing his teeth to push through his lip. The people I interviewed didn't seem to have noticed anything on his mouth, but have mentioned noticing a deep gash on his shin and have wondered what caused it. Yeah, I can see the scar from it, actually.

This was from a few days before, like I went to a beach. Just like they're at the end where they build that hotel. And it's pretty steep. And it's all maybe not quite shale, but like those flat rocks that are like not staying together, basically. So coming back up, I slid and my flip-flop left my foot, and I just like scratched that on those rocks, yeah. Oh, okay, okay.

So there was a mark on your leg, but it was from a few days before. Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. But this isn't quite. what others say Sebastian told them. I'm David Ridgeon and this is season 10 if someone knows something, the Jacqueline Furlin Smith case,

episode four, The Red Cab. We're trying to get the expedient of Jacqueline. The parents are trying to have access to the expedient. And how I can I that archive then, Carmen? Her parents are trying to get access

to Jacqueline's five. My CBC colleague Maria Jose Burgos is very persistent. She's talking to Carmen Ivana Pizarro, the lead prosecutor in Jackie's case. The prosecutor says we're supposed to go through the press office and that everything is private. It's been this way for several months trying to get the investigative file into Jackie's case. One step forward, three back, then sideways. We need it to learn what the OIG is. what the OIJ did or didn't do in Jackie's case.

We do know that their investigation ended in 2022 and that the file we want is archived at the criminal court. We also know that despite my FOI request, Abbotsford Police have sent us nothing. And our CMP didn't investigate, they say, and tell me it's all up to the OIJ. We email where we are supposed to email and call where we are supposed to call and get mostly no responses or bafflement.

But our arguments are consistent. If you weren't investigating what happened to Jackie and the case is archived and the family wants it, then give it to us. So we ask again who to connect with at the court. And Carmen Avanya, direct. us to go to someone else named Karina. So I help Gordon and Colleen draft an email for her. Yeah.

Now, I think you're going to have to send a new email. So let's just do it new here. Yeah. Let's do it new and I'll just dictate what to write in there. Oh, down below here. Or click there and push forward. And almost as if miracles existed. A bit of daylight.

Karina says she's not the one whose job it is to get us the file, but that she will help us because if it was her daughter lost, she'd want someone to help her. The Costa Rican courts email Gordon and Colleen the investigative file into Jackie's case, and we translate it. It's the first time Gordon and Colleen have been given any details about the investigation into their daughter's disappearance.

Okay, well, thank you. Okay. But will this information hold any answers for them in its 90-something pages of submissions from police and prosecutors? In the searches, the what was found, and the what was said that are outlined here, will I find inconsistencies? And can we talk to the officer who wrote most of it? Ulysses Guevara. The short answer is unfortunately not. No. We've discovered that

Investigator Gavarra was arrested by his own colleagues at the OIJ, not long after I called him in December of 2024. He was arrested for allegedly extorting people, pay up or you're guilty of a crime. I don't know if he did anything illegal or untoward on Jackie's case, but being handcuffed does make it difficult to find out. It's unfortunate because I cannot vote for the completeness of this file. Is this everything? I'm also starting to find a series of inconsistencies in what I'm hearing in interviews and seeing in the file,

so I need to verify as much as I can with investigators who were there. Fortunately, the file has a lot of other names in it, including those of Gavara's colleagues. and I call one of them about the first thing I want to talk about, the two searches of Jackie and Sebastian's property. Nothing turned up inside Jackie and Sebastian's house on the first superficial search of the premises without dogs five days after Jackie disappeared. This investigator is speaking here about the more extensive OIJ search of the property carried out almost three weeks after that, this time with dogs trained in human blood and remains.

He says he carried out a search and entered the place with dogs, went through the yard and once inside the house. Nothing inside the house Nothing inside the house or in the property Nothing inside the house or in the backyard returned any alerts from the dogs on this more extensive

search But we did But he says They did no digging And you're not excavated A second investigator named Luis Fernando Vidal concurs, saying that it's because the dogs did not alert outside that the OIJ did no digging at Sebastian and Jackie's property.

So they dug here? They dug up the back? They had to dig everything. Sebastian initially tells me that the cops cleared him. They dug everywhere, because cops obviously, they see. like freshly moved dirt, which is a garden. Partly by digging up his garden, digging everywhere, and that's why his backyard is so wild now

and why he was burning things in the period after Jackie disappeared. I point out to Sebastian that police say they never dug on his property, and he then says that it was the open group, or fake police, as he calls them, who did the actual digging. Open is the non-profit search group who were called in to help look for Jackie, but they are not affiliated with police. so suffice to say Open can't clear anyone of anything. According to Oldamar Silas, search coordinator for Open,

OIG did suggest some locations that Open might look, such as the cliffs nearby. Open used pickaxes mostly and didn't dig, Silas says, so much as they would sweep the surface in areas that look disturbed. And Open says they did not do this sweeping on Sebastian's backyard property, only on adjoining properties. They say that Sebastian wouldn't let them dig in his backyard. And also they used in the house of Sebastian in the garden.

Any of the work by Open on areas near Sebastian's backyard would have started almost two weeks after Jackson. Jackie's disappearance. Recall that police did run their cadaver dogs through Sebastian's backyard and that the dogs didn't indicate on anything. But then there is the back seat in Jackie's Nissan that Alejandro the neighbor and Krista talked to me about. It's also mentioned in the file. OIJ investigator Vidal says he remembers that they inspected the car the same day as the house and the file continues.

On September 6, 2021, a dog named Baco alerts to the presence of human blood odor on a spot in the back seat of the car. The OIJ removes a piece of the seat. and it's tested. It comes up positive for blood. The report says that it is a weak positive, and I've not been able to get any official response to what that means. There is no indication as to whose blood it might have been, and whatever the result, it wasn't enough to trigger any further police action. One could surmise that many vehicles around the world may have spots

of blood in them just from day-to-day use. So, again, circumstantial. Okay, and security camera footage, Jackie and Sebastian had a security camera. I want to find out first if they ever saw anything on that security camera, if they were ever able to see any images at all on it. Luis Fernando confirms that Jackie's phone password was a problem. Without it, as Sebastian told me, the surveillance camera could not be accessed. So, thinking they could break into Jackie's phone, the OIJ took it. But they were never able to get into it.

And according to the file, the OIJ was never able to access the surveillance camera and therefore see anything on it either. There is also nothing in the file about the surveillance system being taken from Sebastian as he claimed to me. So the phone has been simply So the phone has been simply stored for two years? Jackie's phone has sat in storage since 2022 after Costa Rican authorities say they tried to break into it

but were unsuccessful. After our call, Carmen the prosecutor says that an OIJ cybercrime unit has developed new tools to break phones and that they will try again. Three years later, and only it seems after we ask. And another detail I noticed in the file. Did Sebastian ever tell Louis at that time or any other time what he thought Jackie was wearing the night she disappeared?

You mentioned, Sebastian, that night that he thought he was asking, Jackie, the day that disappeared? No, no, no. No, no, says Luis Fernando. We asked Sebastian what she was wearing, and he told us that he didn't remember because they had argued, and then he went to take a shower. And when he got out of the shower, Jackie was already gone.

The police file says that Sebastian does not know what clothes Jackie was wearing when she left, as he was showering at the time. Yet a description of what Jackie was wearing that night did emerge somewhere around the end of August. Something else curious is that the physical fight, according to Sebastian, happened while he was taking a shower, not before and not after. Sebastian told O.J. they had an argument before she left, only on their second visit to him, which would have been five days after Jackie disappeared. When we asked one of the investigators about the punch in the face, they tell me they did remember hearing that story at some point

from Sebastian. I don't know why the punch in the face would be omitted from the police reports. Something else not mentioned there, that scar on Sebastian's leg. The very first day that I met up with Sebastian, he had a very large gash going down his shin. I don't see mention of scars in the file, but the one on his leg has come up in a few interviews. Jackie's friend, Krista. And he told me that he had slipped while walking up a hill from Playa Panca, which is this, beautiful beach near here, but it has a gravel hill, and it is slippery. I've fallen down the hill, so it was very believable to me that he could have slipped while going up the hill and cut his

leg. The same story Sebastian tells me, but Gordon says he got a different story, that Sebastian got it while snorkeling. Did he say to you while snorkeling he got it? He said while snorkeling, and then another time he told us when he slipped on the trail going down I'm grateful. Sliped going down the hill or slipped coming back up. Another variation of the story of Sebastian Scar comes from the eyewitness account of OIJ investigator, Luis Fernando. He says he first saw Sebastian two days after Jackie disappeared on the evening of the 19th. that's actually the part I was going to mention.

The only thing that seemed a little strange out of the ordinary was that Sebastian had some injuries, mainly on his legs, not deep wounds but visible. We asked him why he had those injuries on his legs, and I think if I remember correctly, also on one of his hands. He told us that he liked to surf, okay, in the ocean, and that he had a small accident with some. rocks, that he had slipped and hit the rocks of the ocean with his legs, and the wounds were already

starting to heal, not like from that same day. I ask about the scratches on the hand that Luis says he noticed. I don't remember if it was both arms, but I believe he did have a similar wound on one of his arms. They were wounds that looked like, well, it was believable because they looked like scraping-type injuries, uh, on his hands. On one hand, he definitely had a wound, and it was similar to the ones on his legs. And he told me, it's just that I had an accident. I fell on some rocks here at the ocean, and as I came out of the water, I hurt myself. hurt while surfing in the ocean

and as Sebastian got out of the water and scratches on at least one arm and a hand. He talked more than he should. And I asked him what happened to his leg, right? I asked him why his leg was so fucked up. Travis, another Canadian expat in the area who owns a local restaurant. We are sitting next to a small pool at night.

Every now and then, a large, light-colored bat swoops down over it and seems to skim a drink. But nobody comments on it. Travis says he spoke to Sebastian about a week after Jackie disappeared. Okay, so what did his leg look like? It looked like he fell off of a fucking motorcycle, right? Yeah, yeah, it looked, you know, I've seen some motorcycle accidents, and it looked like, you know, I've only ever seen him on a motorcycle, so I figured he fell. off his motorcycle.

So was it actively bleeding? Well, that's another question. I can't say whether it was actively bleeding. I just saw that his leg was fucked up and asked him what was going on. Was there a bandage on it? No. It was just, like there was a sort of a bloody scar? Yeah, it was just the side of his calf.

Side of his calf was like, fucked up. It wasn't my problem. I was just asking if he fell off a motorcycle and he said, no, a dog did it and I'm like, okay. Right, that's it. He told you that a dog did it? He said that a dog took a run at him on the beach. Okay, so you asked the question, what the fuck did you do with your leg or whatever?

You said it that way. What the fuck? Yeah, like, what the fuck happened? Did you fall off your motorcycle? And you said it like that? I think that that's, I think that would be kind of funny. Yeah. Right?

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now is the time to explore Europe. waterways. Learn more at viking.com. Did Sebastian ever tell you what happened that day? Did you ever talk to Sebastian about what happened to Jacqueline? I've come at night to visit with Anna here in Playa Coco. Jackie hired Anna sometime in the fall of 2020 to paint something in their new home. I have to use a phone translator to communicate.

Anna has led me past some of her works in progress, bright tropical scenes hanging off the walls, and is now sitting on a very worn couch, wearing a light blue top with pink buttons, shorts, and flip-flops. He said that she was in the bathroom, that he was doing the paper hygienic. And that he rompio the boca of a punnet-a-jack-y-knit-so, Jacqueline, and that he broke the labo,

that almost he broke the dempts, but no, I'm not to make any of the hair. On August 29th, the day the bigger open group search began, Anna saw Sebastian. She says that Sebastian told her that Jackie punched him in the mouth, but she couldn't see any bruise there or sign of it. Anna's husband, Harold, a tall and skinny construction worker, dark hair and a blue shirt and tan pants has come to join us too. He was also at the search with Anna and saw Sebastian. They both say they noticed scratches on Sebastian's forearms.

Okay. Were you guys together on the day you went to see Sebastian and you noticed the scratches on his arms? So, Sebastian, and you know what you're both together when you had a Sebastian, I saw a kind of bruise, here? So Sebastian came, and he had a bruise.

I saw a kind of bruise here, a bruise on his arm next to one of his tattoos. And I was that, I noticed that, where I had some tattoos, Harold says that as Sebastian talked to them, he would try to cover his arms and the scratches. He describes three elongated scratches on Sebastian's right arm, about three centimeters long. They were about a week old, he says, and healing. I leave Anna's, and the next day head back up to Kaseke.

I want to get a better sense of what Sebastian did across the day Jackie disappeared. On the way, I replay the sequence of events of the night. Jackie went missing as people have told me. So the window of Jacqueline being kind of out of hand and not being seen, to my knowledge, is after that appointment to Tatiana, the therapist, and then possibly Alonzo sees her, then she arrives, according to Sebastian at the house.

He then arrives after he says being in Tamarindo to look for her, after not going to Tatiana's place, comes back, sees Jackie there. They have another argument. Maybe goes to dinner first. Maybe not. Maybe dinner after. Or he eats with Jackie.

Then at some point, he is there at the house with Jackie after he comes back from Tamarinda. Gets in the shower. She's in the same sort of state of mind, he says. And then the toilet paper throwing happens. The punch in the face happens. Jackman punches Sebastian, he says in the face. arguments, continues, and then Jacqueline is gone, says Sebastian, and he never sees her again,

comes out of the shower, she is not in the room. A scar and scratches seen on Sebastian after Jackie disappears are circumstantial, and one thing may have nothing to do with the other. But people see scratches, and the questions occur. So she leaves the house, but then what? She can't have simply vanished off the face of the earth. We're looking for the men of the house. Okay, good. It's got him to tell us his name too, so that I know his name.

Of course. I've met with a Costa Rican translator out front of a home next to Sebastian and Jackie's house. An empty lot separates their places, and it is this empty lot that Sebastian was seen doing some of his burning on. But we aren't here to talk about burning. We've knocked on the door of a family who may have seen something on the evening Jackie disappeared, August 17, 2021. Okay, well, okay.

Sorry. In English? English. Okay. We can speak in English. Oh, okay. Sure. I asked Carlos about his neighbors, Jackie and Sebastian.

Yeah, well, we've been neighbors since they moved here. Since they started building the house, so we knew them. You knew Jack? Yeah, yeah, sure. Oh, well. So tell me about Jacqueline. I knew. I didn't know much her, because she was, she was like very shy, you know.

Ah, okay. So every time I approach her or whatever, you know, we just, hello, how are you, you know, but no, we didn't go farther than that, you know. Sebastian? Sebastian. I knew him a little bit more. He's a little bit more, he speaks a little bit more, even though he's also very quiet. Yeah, it's not like that bad, you know. But I told you something the day.

that happened fortunately we were coming back from San Jose I was coming from Spain I'm from Spain I flew to San Jose and my family was waiting for me in San Jose to bring me here so the night we arrived here I was sleep in the car and my wife was driving okay and it seems like when we drive here we saw a taxi coming out with a person behind so when we heard about that and the time that happened we thought it might be Jacqueline. So did she see Jacqueline? Not really.

She stole a person behind, but Oro. Can you come in a momentit-so? She'll tell you because I was asleep so I'm not sure. Colleen and Gordon told me that when they spoke to Carlos' wife named Oro, she couldn't be sure what she saw that night and at one point she said to them that she thought it might have been a dream. Carlos also seems to be doubtful. He asks Oro to come to the door. Oro, friendly and kind, with short dark hair and brown eyes,

white striped shirt and white caprice, has just come into view in the doorway. Carlos turns to her. I was telling them that when we came back, you remember you saw a cab drive by with someone behind, but you can't be sure it was Jacqueline, right? No, it was her, I told the parents, says Oro. To which her husband Carlos replies in surprise, it was her?

He saw Jackie. I saw her and it was quite awkward because it was the first time I ever saw her without a smile. She was very upset. Yes. And you're sure it was the same night she disappeared? We can check the passports. Where were we coming from? We do check, and it was the same night of Jackie's disappearance.

Carlos seems like he is hearing some of this for the first time. I remember because I saw her because it was around eight at night. It was at night. And I saw the taxi, the red cab. And I thought to myself, that's weird. A cab at night on this area. That's not very common. That's why I checked.

Yes, of course. And we met each other right on the bomb. Okay, just over here. Mm-hmm. On the, with the... The hut, the security hut? Yes, the security. I mean, that's what I, we both stopped, and that's when I glanced,

and I, just because I was curious, who is... Yeah, who's in there? Who is, who is in there? Yeah. And I saw her, and she looked back at me, and she was very... Mm-hmm. So I met. And I was like, oh.

Okay. Can you get a taxi without using your phone here? Is there some way you can get a taxi without? Because she didn't have her phone with her. She left her phone over here. So do you think she called it and then walked outside? No, it's not normal. And taxis don't drive.

No, no, you have to call a taxi again. Exactly. That's not sure. But maybe she called it before. And then when the tight sick arrives, she just ran away and left the phone behind. That might be. Because there is no way a taxi. Hey, stop.

No, no. No, no. No. That's why I looked. because the cabs don't... It's not normal. And usually everyone who lives here has a car or something because you need it, you know, to move around.

If Jackie was in a cab, how did she get it? She'd left her phone behind, something that needs to be looked at more closely. Okay, and so nothing else. And then, did you ever talk to Sebastian about any of this? Nobody asked me anything about... Nobody came here to talk to us. Nobody.

No, the police have never talked to. Never. Never. parents her parents he came over and I told them okay and they were like I are you sure are you sure I'm not going I was like okay let me check let me think about it and then they came again and I said yes I'm sure I I'm positive that I that I saw her okay and it was a mind the time though it was around 8 830 it was not the person in the car was alone as she was like whoever the past

she was alone she was on the back okay and it was a red cast Do you know, did you recognize the driver? No, no way. They had so many rest. It was a red. They're all red. Are they all? They all red.

Yeah, they all red. They're all red. They're all red. Like an official, but the official wall. So it was an official, it was an official time. It was an official time. So don't they have to record the records of? They should have.

They should, but this Costa Rica, so I doubt it. But they might, I don't know. Oh, good. How is how much? Me, listen. The translator calls the Red Cab Company, or one of the companies that uses Red Cabs, and we try to find out if any records are saved. But we are told that records are not kept.

Like, for example, if we did a taxi for casique, how do you do that, for example, who did that, for example, who did that voyage? I'll try to dig into the red taxis a bit more, but before that I get a call from another neighbor named Kevin, who says they have security footage too. My camera system reports up to 30 days. So after she went missing and there was all the rumors running around and that there was a taxi that came in to pick her up. So I just took it upon myself to look the night that she went missing. I watched almost every three or four or five hours. Like my camera actually only records when there's movement.

But this one, because there's some vegetation in front of it, records almost continuously. Immediately after she went missing within a day or two, I have cameras around my house. And my one camera I can actually see where if she came out this way, in a car or walking at night, I would have picked it up on my cameras. And I sat one time for four or five hours and watched every single minute on those cameras. Hmm.

You think that Jackie, if she walked into town, would have walked by your camera. Oh yes. Kevin's camera was pointed at the road at a point that anyone walking or driving to or from Coco would have been seen. The other direction of the road went past the guardhouse with Michael in it. Kevin says he went through his surveillance tape from August 17th up to midnight and says there is no sign of Jackie in the footage. He didn't save any of his camera files, unfortunately, but Kevin also had a private security guard standing on the road all through that very night until morning. What did he see?

Did he see? No, the guard named Victor, standing on the road to Coco that night, didn't see Jackie, although he knew her and says he did see her walking about 15 days before she disappeared. Victor also cannot confirm 100% Victor also says that around 1am

he saw Sebastian but he cannot confirm 100% that this is the early morning of August 18th Sebastian he says drives up on his scooter and stops close to the guard hut at this point Victor says it had become foggy Sebastian appears to look out toward the ocean for a moment, then turns back the way he came toward his house.

From where Sebastian stopped, one can't see much, and at night nothing of the ocean or really of the town below. I asked Sebastian about this, and he said he was most likely looking for Jackie. Without the confirmation of timing, it's just another possible detail. Going on, Victor the Guard says he didn't see any red cabs, and adds that red cabs don't like going that way because it is so steep. What this all means to me is that Jackie probably didn't walk to Coco, as she would have been seen by Kevin's Guard Victor,

and Kevin's camera on one end, and Michael the guard on the other. So if Jackie left the house that night, was it in the red cab seen by Oro, the neighbor? This is on my way up to the area where Sebastian and Jacqueline built their house. It's about 8 o'clock at night. This is about the time that supposedly... Jacqueline left the house and it's also the time that the neighbor says she was returning from the airport and saw Jacqueline in the back of a red taxi looking upset and so I'm just going to try to

test whether or not something like that could be seen so I'm trying to figure out exactly how somebody might see into the back of a car but it is the same level of darkness right now. Actually there's a car coming along right here. And this is about the spot where she says she saw the taxi in the back of the taxi. So this is a taxi approaching. Can you see in the back? All I see is dark. There's absolutely no way somebody could see in the back of a car. Here's another vehicle coming. It's after the motorcycle but I can't even see who's riding the motorcycle and that went right past me. That's quite telling.

I'm not sure somebody could have seen inside a vehicle like that to see who was riding in the back. I really... And I slowed down right at the speed bump just as the person passed. So I don't know what to make of that. Anyway, here we are up here. Just about to pass the house again. I try it again a few times,

even try it going down the hill to see if I can see into approaching cars, but I can't. It's not scientific, and there are variables I don't even know, but the speed bump is big, and you have to slow down. The car I looked into had clear windows. The darkness is the same. In this imperfect experiment, at least, there's nothing I can identify outside of maybe a human outline crouching there in a back seat. Okay, that was interesting. Yeah, I mean, if at most you could see the outline of a person. And you'd have to try really hard to strain to see that person. It's in my ambience here.

Pretty quiet up here. You can hear a few voices in the houses, but it's pretty quiet. As I stand on the road near Jackie's house, I try to imagine hearing the sounds of that night, the natural cadence of the place, ocean. far off, insects, traffic in the distance. It's relaxing and calming, but it does bring a question to my head as I look over at the house. How does Jackie's departure work? Call the taxi, put the phone down, go fight with Sebastian in the shower, then leave, and by the time you're out the door,

the taxi is waiting? Or fight with Sebastian, then call the taxi, leave your phone behind, then walk out and stand outside until the taxi comes. Or fight, then leave the phone and just walk out, no call, and there's a taxi that happens to be driving by, so you hail it. And then you go to a new life somewhere and never use your identity or bank accounts or talk to your family or friends again, or you take a cab to kill yourself somewhere else.

Why not do it right where you are? At home? I don't know. I'll try to talk to some taxi drivers, including one I've heard some local stories about. Maybe they heard something. And I'll try to track down the people who Sebastian says saw Jackie

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