Someone Knows Something - The Next Call with David Ridgen: Episode 4 in the case of Terrie Dauphinais (UPDATE)

Episode Date: October 2, 2024

"Come Forward": Ken Dauphinais is back in court facing serious charges. David investigates what this might mean for Sue Martin and her daughter Terrie's murder case.

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It's a sunny July 2024 day on the steps of the King's Bench Courthouse in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. Ken Dauphiney is here today, accompanied by his mother, Joanne. He has a light beard going and a dark blazer and blue shoes. He tells the CBC reporter to get a grip as he walks by, clutching his phone tightly. You'd never suspect by his casual demeanor that Dauphiney is about to enter the final day of a trial, where he'd been charged with choking a woman before sexually assaulting her. Do you want to comment on this case or case you're... I will get my lawyer out here. Or... Just, we don't want you to bother us, please. Bye-bye.

Ken Dauphiney is a central figure in my podcast series about the murder of Terry Ann Dauphiney, his wife. If you haven't heard my investigation into Terry's case, you can find it on the Someone Knows Something podcast feed. All three episodes are available now. Broken neck. She was black and blue from head to toe. My daughter didn't have dignity. My daughter was treated like garbage. And that's an image in my head. Terry was found dead in the front hall of her home on the morning of April 29, 2002, around 10.30 a.m., wearing only a dressing robe. Ruptured capillaries are evident on Terry's neck and face. Fresh bruises and scrapes are present on her body, but also some bruising that is older than 24 hours.

The origin of these older bruises is unknown. We only had 10 minutes to view our daughter before she was cremated. I know she's in a better world and they can't hurt her. But when we lost Terry, we just didn't lose Terry. We lost three more family members. We lost two children. Terry, a 24-year-old Métis woman, had been living with her daughter and two sons in a two-story house in Calgary, Alberta. Terry had been married to Ken Dauphiney for about four years,

but they were undergoing a separation at the time. The coroner ruled cause of death with the following summary. Compression by either parts of a hand or parts of a hand and some form of cloth band. Terry and Ken's relationship had been tumultuous, and according to investigative records, Ken could get violent, in one instance twisting Terry's arm. Ken stated in a police interview that he had had unprotected sexual intercourse with Terry twice, once on the morning and again in the afternoon of the day she is thought to have been murdered. It didn't take

long for police to focus in on Ken as a suspect in Terry's murder. I guess I have to assume that I'm... I do. I'm a suspect. I really do. I do, Ken. And I think you realize that, too. And we didn't focus on Ken as the only suspect. We had other suspects, and we tried to clear them as we could. But the strongest one was, of course, Ken, because his story was filled with holes. As the prime suspect in Terry's murder, Ken Dauphiney became the subject of an undercover Mr. Big operation by police.

For about five months, several undercover scenarios, codenamed Operation Homefront, involved Ken in a fake organization that was peddling credit card swipe machines and firearms, with the goal to build Ken's trust and elicit a confession in Terry's case. I think when we were starting, I went downstairs to fucking get some sticks.

And she didn't want me to leave. And she didn't want me to leave, Ken says in the undercover recording. He continues. I'm going to tell you before I fucking turn. She's standing in the way. No, no. I think that's just fucking grab her and toss her out of the way. Before I fucking turn, she's stepping in the way.

No, no. before I fucking turn she's stepping in the way no no and I think I just fucking grabbed her and tossed her out of the way she went down funny and that was holy fuck panic mode she went down funny and that was

holy fuck like panic mode and extra panic mode because there's fucking three little people. Like, you gotta take care of this. To police, it seemed those statements were an admission Ken had killed Terry. They arrested him and charged him with second-degree murder. Publicly, Ken had always maintained that an intruder had killed Terry. And in the end, much of the information deemed pertinent by the prosecution and police

would eventually be disallowed from the courtroom by Madam Justice Rosemary Nation for being vague, coerced, and as a result of an abusive process on the part of police. I'm going to call it a shit show because that's what it is. The case was stayed in February 2021 and Ken Dauphiney was free. After a year without fresh evidence, the case against Ken for Terry's murder eventually comes to an end. But before the stay is up, I receive a very intriguing call. Good afternoon, David. How are you? Hi, I'm good, Sue. Thanks for calling. What's up? It's Sue Martin on the phone, Terry Ann Dauphiney's mother. I first met Sue in 2015 on an island in the Ottawa River.

Sue had organized a ceremony, spending over 200 nights in the cold, wet weather, desperate to draw attention on her daughter's case. Ah, well, it's been a trying week. Oh, no. Yeah, we get the news, and I wanted to let you know that Ken was arrested again for a serious crime. I don't know which province it was in.

Okay, and did you find out through your source what the reasons for the arrest were, or any kind of explanation? Just that it is a very, very serious crime, David. In December 2021, with only two months remaining before the stay expires, Ken Dauphiney is sought on a police warrant for the sexual assault and choking of a different woman. Two days after the arrest warrant is issued, Ken turns himself in to Saskatoon police. So do you think police have been following him since he was released? I don't know. I really don't know. All I know is once this state came, he was free to do whatever

he was allowed to do, travel wherever he wanted to go. And I know that his defense lawyers probably told him to keep his nose clean for one year. But it feels like we're on this ever-ending nightmare of a roller coaster that it slams and then all of a sudden you go on this horrifying ride again. It's just like, wow. So what happened in this other case and to whom? And what might it mean for Terry and her mother Sue? Like I told you, I keep on hearing that one detective's voice in my head from 12 years ago.

Sue, we might not ever get him. And that's what's ringing out in my ears and in my heart. I'm David Ridgen and this is the Terry Dauphiney case update episode. Come forward. It's been a long time fighting. I'm here. I'm his worst nightmare. And I will continue to be his worst nightmare, because he is a predator. So right now, we're praying for a guilty verdict.

We all believe that that's going to come. Sue Martin in a flowered skirt, white shirt, and moccasins, standing on the same steps that Ken Dauphiney just walked up into the Saskatoon courthouse. It's July 2, 2024. Sue's been attending this new trial since the beginning. Based on what she heard, she is convinced Ken Dauphiney is guilty, not just of this crime, but also the murder of Terry. It wasn't a shit show this time. The Crown was right on this whole case,

and I'm very thankful for the Crown and I'm thankful for Judge Currie for seeing what he really is. We arranged for an elder to come and do a smudge and a prayer and stuff. And I pulled in very strong, powerful family members of the Murdada Missing, Indigenous women and girls, filled it up with strong, powerful Métis and full-blooded Native women. Sue is Cree and has surrounded herself with a capable support system, which also includes Crown Prosecutor Corey Bliss. You know, this has been one of the most interesting cases I've been involved with because it spans provinces, it spans many years,

and it spans two horrible crimes, one of murder and one of sexual assault and choking. How did the case against Ken Dauphiney here come about and what were the actual charges that were in play in the case? The survivor in this case came to police in 2008 concerned for her safety, concerned that something had happened to her that she found very similar to a series of allegations involving Ken Dauphiné and his deceased wife, Terry. And so she came to the police wanting to report this in the event something ever happened to her. And the police

did take that report and promised her that they would not proceed with charges without informing her. And it wasn't until many years later, until the Calgary Police Service had been involved in investigating the murder of Terry, that further information was provided to the Crown such that we could consider moving the matter forward. Back in the summer of 2017, Calgary police were contacted by a tattoo artist in Winnipeg who had a client that she said was talking about a murder. The tattooist believed the man was talking about Terry Dauphiney

and that man was Ken Dauphiney. The tattooist said that Ken told her that he'd gotten away with it before and that he could again, adding he said that he stomped her good, stomped her, tromped her good. Those statements were not recorded, but when Dauphine returns to the tattoo artist's shop on future occasions, the tattoo artist records him using her iPad. What are you going to get tattooed, Ken? An anchor. An anchor? Really?

At some point, the Calgary police, interested in any information Ken might utter about Terry, formally engaged the tattoo artist and began paying her to work with them and to gather more surreptitious recordings of Ken. But during one of the recorded meetings, made on November 10, 2017, Ken told the story of a different woman that he had assaulted. The story that Ken told the tattoo artist was basically identical to the assault reported to police in 2008. When they realized this, police approached the survivor, asking if now, over a decade later, she wished to proceed with charges. She agreed, and Ken was arrested.

Last week on Wednesday, She agreed, and Ken was arrested. Last week on Wednesday, in the video audio tape from the tattoo artist, and I'm going to say his words, okay? Sue Martin has been attending the case in the courtroom and describes the graphic details she heard Ken say on the tattoo artist's recordings when he spoke about assaulting this different woman. I'm going to use what he said in the audio tape. I had to punch her. I choked her out. I fucked her. And I came all over her face.

And those were his words, not mine, his words, and laughing about it afterwards. And when he took the stand on his own defence last week on Thursday, he tried to downplay it. His saying was, she was asleep, I wanted to make love to her, so when she woke up, I was making love to her. And when the Crown was cross-examining me was very combative about everything and the Crown asked him about the word seduction and he basically got angry and defensive and said well look it up in the dictionary um I met Ken through a mutual friend and we ended up roommates in a sense, because he needed a nanny and I needed a place to live.

The survivor of that sexual assault by Ken Dauphine, in the first and only public interview she's ever given on this case. Her identity is protected by publication ban. She says she met Ken through friends and then started looking after his three children in exchange for a place to live. The three children he had with Terry. And so we got to know each other that way and we started dating shortly after that. And then there was an incident that happened that involved, I was choked and then there was an incident that happened that involved I was choked and then while unconscious sexually assaulted and when I realized the nature of the trauma that had happened to me I was reminded that the similar situation happened to Terry except for she didn't survive so there was a lot of trauma there realizing that this man

in my opinion at the time did in fact kill his wife. Did he ever tell you anything about that? Did he ever mention Terry to you? He did shortly when we started dating. He said he was a person of interest but he had details that the intruder had made their way into the home. So did you know this about Ken as you got to know him, or did you learn about it after the incident with you? I learned about it shortly before, some details. The survivor tells me that at the time she gave Ken the benefit of the doubt and she tried to believe his version of events. And that any gut instinct she may have had about him was blunted by the kind of relationship she says she had with Ken.

With Ken, I was in a domestic violence relationship and I'm sure many women would understand that you're beaten, battered and broken and you don't see an escape or you don't take your escape. And being away from them is scarier than staying with them and watching the cycle of violence repeat itself. Keep a close eye on them so you know when they're starting to escalate. Try to stop it from happening be on your best behavior whereas when you're away from them you're looking over your shoulder you're wondering is it going to be a surprise attack and that in a sense was more fearful for me at the time what kind of escalation did you notice with ken in your relationship with him say you met him moved in together as roommates then what happened he would hyper focus on a certain situation that would happen a lot of times it had to do with the drop off or pick up of my children with my ex

husband and any time spent with the ex-husband just chatting about the children just updates on their health and their condition overall over the week put him we would spiral into a bad mood and there'd be accusations and yelling and sometimes there'd be physical abuse that would follow that and then there'd be the apology and the presence and the crying and yeah the promise that oh it'll never happen again and I believed him each and every time. From meeting Ken Dauphiney to the point where you got out of it how long was that period of time? It was roughly two years. How did Ken's violence affect you I I guess, afterwards? What's their ongoing effects? And can you just talk a little bit about that?

A lot of triggers and suspicious thoughts about other people's intentions. The one thing I want to speak to is that when the police approached me, I just could cry and cry and cry. And I was offered some credit towards counseling. And accelerated resolution therapy, ART therapy, was recommended by my victim services worker. And so I decided to try that. Anyone that is listening to this and experiencing this situation, I highly recommend finding an accelerated resolution therapist and navigating through those images in your head to maybe night terrors or something that they experience and just find healing that way. It's quite successful if a person's motivated for healing.

Have you spoken to Sue Martin much? Do you have a relationship with her? Oh, I do. She's been a major support. She has been my mama bear in this situation. Nothing but love, kindness, and caring. And it's been wonderful to have that support. I've brought my own support as well. Upwards of 12 to 13 people have been in attendance and just surrounded by powerful, powerful people. It's been a really comfortable journey considering the nature of what this has transpired from. Yeah, that's amazing. I'm glad you have such support there. There's women out there that have been traumatized by Ken and they don't feel safe coming forward

maybe they can try and reach out like I realize that I'm doing this anonymously but there are ways of you know contacting the police and perhaps I can help them in an anonymous way to support I don't know I can't really see exactly how I would do that, but I would just like, I would like someone else to know that they're not alone. And I imagine there's a lot out there. Installing a TV on a wall sounds simple, right? That was easy. We'll see you next time. Certain conditions apply. Oh, hey there. I'm Andrew Fung, and I want to tell you about my new series with Via Rail. Join me as I ride on from Toronto to Ottawa and London aboard Via Rail's new fleet of trains.

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Watch both episodes now on cbc.ca slash Via Rail. Paid content with Via Rail Canada. Via Rail Canada Hey, hey, hey, goodbye. The survivor and her supporters, led by Terry's mom, Sue Martin, are singing on the steps of the courthouse. After only a few hours on the last day of the trial, the court reached a verdict. Ken Dauphine is guilty. Sentenced to four and a half years in jail. I asked Crown Prosecutor

Corey Bliss for the breakdown of the conviction and sentencing. Ken Dauphine was charged with committing a sexual assault on the survivor between 2007 and 2008. He was also charged with a count of choking to overcome resistance for facilitating a sexual assault. The justice in this case, Justice Curry, convicted him of the sexual assault, but had a reasonable doubt as to what his intent was at the time that he choked the survivor. He found that it could have been that the choking occurred out of anger, and therefore the justice convicted him of a common assault, being the choking that occurred in this case. There were many people attending court today, both in support of Ken Dauphiné, as well as in support of the survivor, and I think even some people in support of Terry Dauphiné.

Everyone handled themselves in a very dignified fashion. There were no outbursts that I could hear or see. Even Ken, in his elocution when the judge gave him a chance to speak, although he disagreed with the conviction, you know, felt some sympathy for the pain that the survivor was expressing. I asked the survivor for her final thoughts. Okay, I'm pleased with the verdict. I think that four and a half years is adequate for what happened, and just knowing that, I guess in a sense, that justice has been served in this case.

Coming into it, did you have an expectation of what might happen today? Were you wondering? I guess it was just natural to have a number in my mind, and I like odd numbers, so I thought, oh, five years would be good. So we're close. Sha-da-na-na Shadanana hey hey hey goodbye. Hey David how are you doing brother?

Hey how are you is the question. Sue Martin back at her hotel after the guilty verdict. That was um powerful today. I wish he would have got more time for his crime, but the best part of it is he has to give his DNA. Now he's on the sex offender register, and I believe very strongly that more is going to come out of this because he was a truck driver driving all over the place. So once they put his tahini in that data bank, I think more is going to come out of it, David.

I just got this strong feeling. The conviction also reinforces Sue's belief that Ken Dauphiney killed Terry and that he's likely done much more. Sue also has strong feelings about the people involved in Ken's previous trial for the murder of her daughter. That trial went nowhere. So I wonder how they sleep at night knowing that they let a killer walk free and a rapist and a woman beater, an alpha male that has to have control on everything, walk free and is now being sentenced to jail for four and a half years. I also wonder how Judge Rosemary Nation, the last judge on the trial for Terry, feels. The system needs to change because they're letting, I'm going to say it, the justice system isn't for the victims,

it's for the perpetrators. I think in these cases like Ken Dauphiney, he's a serial perpetrator, and if there is any other women out there that this man has affected, please come forward. We will stand with you. We will support you. We will protect you. Don't be afraid. Take back your power. Take back your power. Please, I'm begging you, come forth so that he cannot hurt another woman out there. I asked Sue what she thought when she heard the survivor testify about her experience. It did hit me when she spoke, when it came out of her mouth, what he had done to her. And I didn't show it in front of him or anything.

We walked away from the courthouse and I was about two blocks away and I sat down and I broke down and cried because that's what he did to Terri. Did he do it to her while she was alive and did he do it after he murdered her after he took her life so it did affect me and stuff because she described everything that i knew that happened to terry and all these years that i have been doing public speaking about terry and stuff i knew deep inside of me that he did this why aren't you helping the police? Why aren't you finding out who did this to the mother of your three children? But I think four and a half years because he said,

I'd rather be dead than spend any time in jail. Well, I wonder how he feels being in jail now. I wonder how he feels that when a great big sheriff comes and put handcuffs on him because he's a coward to face another man. He's a perpetrator of women that likes to choke and beat them because he's the alpha dog. And those are his words. He's the alpha dog.

Sue says she has gotten to know the tattoo artist and has thanked her for her work and for coming forward. I am so proud of these women for stepping forward. She didn't have to come forward when he bragged about getting away with murder. He got away with it once, he can get away with it again, meaning Terry. And she just knew that it was someone's daughter, someone's sister, someone's mother.

She did it because she's got a good spirit and a good heart about her, and she wanted to really see Ken pay for what he did. You weren't allowed to give a victim impact statement here. Nor in the other case. No. The other trial. Can you tell me what yours would be? That Ken spend the rest of his life behind bars

and never ever get a chance to be out of jail so that he could never ever hurt another human being. And I always said to my husband, God forbid if anything ever happened and I lose another child, you might as well take me, lock me up and throw the key away, because there's no turning back for me, right? He just about succeeded, but it's our way of life our culture being native going to ceremony and working on me to be out at the forefront i'm not going to be that susan that i was 22 years ago i'm not going to be that susan um 45 years ago if I can do anything in this impact statement

is to keep on speaking. This is the end, I guess, for me in this journey, but not for helping women, not for helping family members of the murdered and missing of any walk of life. Don't care who you are, I will always be there. But this is the end of the journey for this chapter for me and for my husband. It doesn't mean that we're ever going to get justice for Terry. I don't think that's ever going to happen, David. But it means it's a closed chapter for me of this part of my life. Sue is exhausted from today and all the

days since Terry was killed. I'm not sure this is the end of the road for her on Terry's case. Police I've spoken to believe that much of the important evidence against Ken Dauphiney for Terry's murder wasn't brought forward. That's why Sue asked me to speak with you too, right? Because you've given her a lot through this podcast. And you've given Sue at least something, right, that we weren't able to give her. A recently retired Calgary police officer who worked on all aspects of Terry's case. Her name is protected on a publication ban for officers who worked on undercover operations. Based on the evidence collected, she too is convinced Ken

Dauphiney murdered Terry. So I am a crime analyst, a homicide analyst specifically. I worked on the file very closely. I retired because of the file. I literally quit my job because of Ken getting away with murder. Police, particularly investigators I've met, often have one or two cases out of the many they encounter in their career that they carry on their shoulders every day. The one that didn't get solved, or the one that could have been. Sometimes the lack of conclusion can get so excruciating for them that these officers have to talk. For this investigator, it's Terry's case. Yeah, okay. So, yeah, my job as an analyst was to pull all the data together, pull everything together and create a picture. And I did a, I spent quite a bit of time putting together a timeline of events of all the incidences of all the calls, the previous calls of violence,

any history, profiling, tracking. I spent quite a bit of time locating evidence to try to corroborate information. You have this opportunity in hindsight to look and see what people were doing at the time of the offense, the investigation, the initial investigation. So you have this really privileged opportunity to see things that may have been missed. Yeah. Look from an angle that it wasn't viewed from previously. Yes. it wasn't viewed from previously. And I think initially when something happens, people have,

you're gathering a lot of information, a lot of data from all over the place. And to sift through that and find the nuggets of gold from, you know, the sand, that is a challenge in any initial, you know, part of an investigation.

So from a cold case perspective, things are a bit easier. You get to look through all of the interview information all of the data view um everything and it's easier to find those nuggets that's basically what i do and then when i came over to cold case homicide from active homicide i came when i came to cold Case, this was a focus, a very big priority, obviously. So we actually put our heart and soul into this file. There was some fantastic information that unfortunately the Crown was not able to, or felt that they were unable to go forward with, which was very distressing. We spent a lot of time on that evidence and that information, and we want to get the answer and we're serving the families

of these victims and we put our whole heart into it so it was very frustrating to see it fall down in the prosecution side and I know that we all felt very much in disagreement with that but he is the prosecutor and he is the lead and it was his decision to make and we had several meetings to try and dispute that and other pieces of information and in every case he went forward with what what he felt was the best strategy, which we know was not. So that was frustrating. We had to sit silently and watch, and it was painful. Similar to Sue Martin, this officer felt let down by the system. Cases can and do fall apart, regardless of what information is available

or how it's been gathered. There is no guarantee that having your ducks in a row ensures the outcome you desire. But ducks in a row are better than no ducks at all. In my opinion, my feeling, I am 100% certain that Ken killed Terry. So there, that's my opinion. I'm just tired.

I guess I got tired of people getting away with murder. There are people out there that have information, and if they came forward, it would make a difference. And you know they have this information? Yeah, I believe they do. The officer says while Terry's case stays with her, she's hopeful for a resolution. For Terry and for Sue.

Tony and I, Terry's dad, sat in the homicide department for the full day and we saw everything. Sue has gotten to know many of the investigators involved in examining Terry's murder over her years of shaking trees. And she says that Calgary police recently showed her much of the evidence they had gathered over the years for Terry's case. Everything. So I think it's going to curl your hair. What hair I have left? Well, your beard, your mustache,

whatever hair you have. Yeah, you know, there's a lot on the table. And I remember you, we did an interview. I ask Sue as she relaxes back at her hotel room how it is that she has survived not only Terry's murder, but her long struggle in the aftermath for answers and justice. Ceremony, praying every day, smudging every day, that I can walk with my head held up high to speak that truth

and for the Creator to keep on guiding me, even though my heart is shattered in a billion pieces my advice to family members go to your priests go to your pastor whoever you you go to if you go to church or whatever go and talk talk about what has happened to you because that's part of our journey that gives our strength because we're getting all that hate all that anger out of us because if we don't talk and deal with it it's like a cancer growing inside us and we get pulled in many many different directions so when you talk about this it actually helps me going away working on me and going to ceremony cleansing ceremonies you know sweats um walking our way out of life has really really helped me and praying every day

laying down my medicines every day which i do yeah which i do I ask the Creator, please guide me. Please show me what I'm supposed to do. Please let me walk on Mother Earth gently and guide me to be that good person without anger, without hate in my heart or in my life. Being thankful that my marriage has stayed together because I have learned that with homicide your families fall apart you lose your marriage you lose everything if I could give everything I own

to have my child back I would but I know that's not possible but I am very thankful and very humbled that I'm still married to my husband and that I have a good marriage and I have a great circle of family and friends that support me and walk beside me. If you interview families, there are days where we don't want to get out of bed, where we just want to pull the sheets over and hide and not deal with it.

But something, when we hear another one being raped, another one being murdered, another one gone missing, it's almost like there's a fire set underneath us that we have to keep on doing this, whether we want to or not. I'm always willing to do the second part of this. There's lots to tell you. When you get that information, you know what I do, David. I shake trees. And who are the trees? The politician and the evil people. So yeah, I have no problem. Thanks so much and congrats on the great day. And be safe out there and keep up the good work. And if you get all those papers, you better call me because you're going to be freaking shocked.

You're going to be swearing. And you know what? I'll ground you. I need to be grounded. And I'm happy that you're there to ground me. Thanks, Sue. You're welcome. No, thank you, buddy.

And you know what? The Creator put us on paths when I was down on the island and home fire was burning for a year. And ceremony. There was a reason why we met. And this is the reason. This is the reason. And we continue to walk. You betcha. You're my buddy. Got you back. Take care, David. If you haven't heard my investigation into Terry Dauphiney's case, you can find it on the Someone Knows Something podcast feed. All three episodes are available now. Someone Knows Something is hosted, written and produced by me, David Ridgen.

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