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Starting point is 00:01:21 Today on something you should know, I'll take you on a little tour of the $1 bill. Then, washing and caring for your clothes. If you're not doing it right, it's costing you a lot of money. My one piece of advice was to never, ever use fabric softener or dryer sheets with your synthetic clothes and things that you want to absorb water.

Starting point is 00:01:45 So your towels, your sheets, your undergarments, and your gym clothes. Also, what's the deal with those baby carrots? Are they really safe to eat? And the powerful benefits of simply adding some quiet time into your day. So quiet isn't just like, oh, peaceful, tranquil, you know, restful feeling. It's about being deliberate about what am I going to do today? What's the most important thing for me to do today? It's about having that time. It's not even hours. It could be minutes to think about things more deliberately, more intentionally. All this today on Something You

Starting point is 00:02:19 You Should Know. Something You Should Know. Fascinating Intel. The world's top experts and practical advice you can use in your life. Today, Something You Should Know with Mike Carruthers. If you can, as we get started here, take out a $1 bill. It'll make this first thing we talk about more interesting. Hi, welcome to Something You Should Know. I'm Mike Carruthers, and we're starting with the dollar bill today. There are a lot of 13s on a $1 bill.

Starting point is 00:02:53 First of all, flip the dollar bill over so you're looking at the reverse side, and you will see both sides of the great seal of the United States. John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson all had a hand in creating that seal. And there is no question that they wanted the original 13 colonies to be well represented. Now, as you look at the reverse side of a $1 bill, on the right side of the reverse side, you will see the obverse or front of the seal of the United States. That eagle holds 13 areas.

Starting point is 00:03:27 arrows, representing strength in war, and an olive branch with 13 leaves and 13 olives, symbolizing peace. He's under a constellation of 13 stars and is adorned with a shield with 13 stripes. To the left is the reverse of the seal. The unfinished pyramid symbolizes strength and stability with room to grow. The all-seeing eye of providence at the top of the pyramid symbolizes symbolizes the divine help the early Americans needed in establishing a new country. The Roman numerals at the bottom of the pyramid is 1776, and if you were to count the layers of bricks of the pyramid as it goes up, 13. And that is something you should know.

Starting point is 00:04:21 There is a pretty good chance that you're wearing clothes right now, clothes you paid for, clothes you care for, and hopefully that last a long time. But there's a lot of confusion about how to care for clothes, and that confusion can be costing you a lot of money. Money in clothes that fade out and wear out too fast. Clothes that get stained and you have to throw out because you can't get the stain out. Maybe because you're washing your clothes too much or using the wrong setting on your washer and dryer.

Starting point is 00:04:53 and there's a really good chance you are wasting money to heat hot water that you don't need to. And what's the deal with dryer sheets? I mean, I've already heard the conversation you're about to hear, and I have learned so much that's going to help me and save me money, and I think you will find this conversation just as fascinating and useful. Meet my guest, Zach Posniak. He is a fourth-generation fabric care expert and dry cleaner, who provides great clothing care information,

Starting point is 00:05:23 on his social media channels. He owns the New York City branch of Jeeves, which is a luxury dry cleaner, and he is author of this monstrous best-selling book. I mean, this is huge because people are buying it because everybody is interested in this subject. The book is called The Laundry Book, The Definitive Guide to Caring for Your Clothes and Linenes.

Starting point is 00:05:45 Hey, Zach, welcome to something you should know. Hi, Mike. Thanks for having me. So I'd like to know how do you do laundry, Like when it's time to do laundry at your house, at the Pazniak household, what's the process? So when it comes to sorting, I think there's two really main ways to go about it. First, by color. So we want to keep our light colored garments separate from colored and darker garments. And the main reason is because we don't want the dyes from the colored garments and dark garments making our whites look dingy.

Starting point is 00:06:22 And in the same vein, we don't want the white lint from our light colors getting on our darker clothes because they'll look kind of covered in white lint, which is not really what we want. And then the next step of sorting, I would say, do it by weight. You know, I think my favorite example is that, you know, a towel dries much faster than your gym shorts. So we're going to be harming our gym shorts by subjecting it to the, you know, enormous amount of heat and time compared to something that dries pretty quickly, even just, you know, through an air dry. Okay. So then they're sorted and now it's time to wash and you wash them. How?

Starting point is 00:06:59 I mean, my biggest piece of advice is just washing in cold water. I mean, it's the best thing possible for your clothes and the environment. The most sustainable way to do your laundry. My favorite little fun fact is that you can reduce your energy consumption by up to 90% from switching from hot water to cold. And if you switch from warm to cold, you reduce it by 70%. So modern appliances and products are really come such a long way, even in the last decade, but let alone 50 years that we don't need that really aggressive horsepower of hot water anymore.

Starting point is 00:07:36 And hot water fades are closed. So there's just so many wonderful benefits to using cold water. And look, don't get me wrong, there's still a place for hot water, but I kind of view it as it should be reserved for those really stained or stinky loads. And, you know, my analogy is like, you don't want to pass. shower deck every other week, you know, do it once a year when it really needs it. But the prevailing wisdom seems to be and continues to be that you need hot water to clean clothes or at least to clean them well. Yeah, and I totally get that. You know, laundry has progressed

Starting point is 00:08:10 so much in the last hundred years and just, you know, 60, 70 years ago, we really didn't have many products and you have to use hot water because water does do 80% of the cleaning, right? detergent's there to kind of help move things along and break down some tougher stains. But look, it still has its place. Hot water's always going to clean better. I will never, ever refute that. But you just don't really need that much, you know, power sometimes. It seems to me that people are more likely to wash whites in hot water.

Starting point is 00:08:42 That whites to really make them white, you've got to use hot water. I think with whites, you know, hot water is going to call. premature fabric degradation so you may you know prematurely start to cause some holes in your sheets or some thread bareness which is you know kind of letting you know that your sheets are kind of the end of their life but what I would recommend using to keep your sheets and linens super white is oxygen bleach and especially when you're using if you're doing this in the washing machine something like oxyclean which is you know I think the biggest brand name of powdered oxygen

Starting point is 00:09:21 bleach in the United States or vanish if you're abroad. That stuff uses an active ingredient called sodium percarbonate, which is an oxygen bleach, also known as a color safe bleach. And it basically attacks the color of the stain molecule to correct it through a pretty cool kind of reaction. But it's absolutely incredible. And I think it's one of those things where if you do that, maybe once or twice a month with the hot water, you can get away with washing your whites and,

Starting point is 00:09:51 in cold water to again, hopefully preserve the integrity of the fabric. So I've heard this advice, and I want to get your comment on it, that we overwash our clothes, that we basically throw our clothes in the dirty clothes pile because we wore them, not because they're dirty, and that much of the time, just a quick wash would do because the clothes just don't get that dirty. Yeah, I mean, you're right on it, and that's actually something that a lot of manufacturers want you to kind of switch to. And in the business, we would call that a refresh load. Things that aren't really that dirty. Maybe you're trying to do some like preventative care for your clothes by washing away that body oil so you don't get those yellowed underarms and collars.

Starting point is 00:10:33 But yeah, what you're saying, and you're also going to save a ton of money on your energy bill because you're not creating all this hot water. You're using much less water, using less energy, and you're saving your time. So I love the quick wash cycle. I think it's amazing for just about everything. and, you know, I'd reserve the normal loads for things that really need that kind of deeper cleaning. What is the difference, if you know, the difference between what goes on in the washing machine, between a normal load and a quick wash other than the time spent? But what's taking so long in the normal wash because the quick wash seems so fine? Yeah, I mean, it's just really an abridged cycle.

Starting point is 00:11:13 So, you know, the main cleaning component of a washing machine, specifically from the, loader is mechanical action, which is a really fancy way of saying rubbing. And the longer that kind of start of the cycle, the wash cycle gets to work for, the more that fabric gets to rub against other fabric and you're likely going to have more stains that come out. And again, you're just tightening up the cycle time. And it just really depends on how soiled things are. But I think more people should be using that express cycle.

Starting point is 00:11:45 So for the most part is laundry detergent, laundry detergent, or are some really so much better than the others or what? Yeah, there are some really, really strong performing detergions. One of my favorite performing detergents, what I use is Tide, hygienic, free and clear. A free and clear detergent just means there's no perfume or dye. So really good for people that have sensitive skin or don't want their clothes to smell any type of way. It's an unbelievable product. it works really well. And then other than that,

Starting point is 00:12:17 Kirkland, which is Costco's generic brand, is a wonderful value detergent. That works really well. So talk about the dryer, because we always talk about washing clothes. But drying clothes takes a long time, and I imagine the heat probably might do some damage if it gets too hot.

Starting point is 00:12:34 So what's the recommendation on the dryer? I would try and air dry as much stuff as you can. And to anyone living in the city, I apologize, because I know you don't have a lot of room. but specifically your synthetics and really kind of delicate pieces, try and air dry them. Again, that dry heat from the dryer is just going to really just kind of break down those, especially synthetic fabrics quicker than they need to be, especially like elastic. So, you know, talking gym clothes, your workout gear and things like that.

Starting point is 00:13:03 But I think the biggest thing when it comes to the dryer is to use a cycle, like a normal cycle, that uses the moisture sensors of the dryer. I think the worst way to use a dryer is using the time to dry because that's how you overcook your clothes. It's going to give you really bad wrinkling, if not creasing and cause you to have to rewash them or iron or steam. And then you're wasting your time, you're wasting energy and a whole slew of things. So I think for me, just use those cycles. A lot of, you know, science goes into those moisture meters and they work really well. And then my other kind of just random tip with dryers is I love using wool or acrylic dryer balls.

Starting point is 00:13:42 And in my testing, I don't think they speed up the drying time, which is kind of how they're been sold in the past. But they do do a wonderful job of keeping the stings in the dryer spread out and even. And that's really important for things like sheets and towels, because I'm sure we've all taken out sheets and they're in one big wadded clump. And then you've got to redo it and the wrinkled and things like that. What about dryer sheets? I've heard some bad things about them, but people use them a lot. and like the fact that there's no static and that maybe it makes the clothes a little softer,

Starting point is 00:14:18 what do you say? Yeah, so dryer sheets, not something I use, but I do think they have value. They're basically just paper towels coated in fabric softener, and they do work at removing static, which is pretty amazing. I think that's their best functionality, but I think that's totally just a personal preference for people,

Starting point is 00:14:36 the same way using fabric softener is. But my one piece of advice was to never, ever use fabric softener or dryer sheets with your synthetic clothes and things that you want to absorb water. So your towels, your sheets, your undergarments, and your gym clothes because that's quite literally, it's quite literally lotion and you're coating the fabric and you're clogging the pores. And it's kind of going exactly against the functionality of those pieces and garments that you want your undergarments to absorb sweat.

Starting point is 00:15:09 that's kind of what they're there for. We're talking about how to take better care of your clothes. My guest is Zach Posniak. He's author of The Laundry Book, the definitive guide to caring for your clothes and linens. In communities across Canada, hourly Amazon employees earn an average of over $26 an hour. Employees also have the opportunity to grow their skills

Starting point is 00:15:35 and their paycheck by enrolling in free skills training programs for in-demand fields like software development and information technology. Learn more at aboutamazon.ca. So, Zach, you're a dry cleaner. Can you explain to me what dry cleaning actually is? I think it's important to start with dry cleaning is different than going to a dry cleaner. So a dry cleaner I like to kind of explain as the mechanic and body shop for your clothes. and the dry cleaner has many different ways to clean your clothes.

Starting point is 00:16:17 But dry cleaning specifically, you're still using a liquid, still going in a machine. So dry cleaning liquid used to start as a petroleum-based solvent way back in the day. And now there's been some really wonderful advancements. We have alcohol-based solvents and liquid silicone and hydrocarbons. But basically, it is a clear liquid that does not smell like water, but looks like water. It sits in the bottom of these tanks of dry cleaning machines that look like really, really big, complicated front loading machines. And you put your clothes in there. They go in dry.

Starting point is 00:16:53 They are, they get very wet. And they're dried in there because the dry cleaning solvent has to be filtered and recycled within the closed loop system of a dry cleaning machine. We don't want that going down the drain. That's really, really bad. And then the clothes come out dry too. So there's no powders involved. I love asking people what they think dry cleaning is. I wish I asked you before.

Starting point is 00:17:17 That's one of the processes dry cleaners have at their disposal. And wet cleaning is water-based cleaning. In chemistry, a solvent that is water-based is wet, and a solvent that does not have water is dry. So that's where dry cleaning comes from. So let's take a suit. You dry clean a suit, and when it comes out dry, what's it look like? Does it look all pressed and nice?

Starting point is 00:17:41 do you then have to iron it? So a suits a good example of an item that really, really needs to be dry clean, that you can't handle it at home. And that's more, not so much as the materials, even though most suits are wool, which reacts poorly in water, but suits have interfacing. Basically, I have structure within it. And that just doesn't really love getting wet with water. So that's why smen suits and blazers do much better in dry cleaning.

Starting point is 00:18:09 But no, they still need to be pressed. And there's some really cool pressing equipment. So there's something called like a jacket buck where you put the jacket on it and it, you know, it holds it taught and blows the steam through it. So it gets rid of all these wrinkles. And then it dries it out with the air that kind of blows it out too, which is it's not actually quite satisfying to watch. But then you have the pressing team touch it up to make sure it's perfect. And I've heard that the advice, I don't know if this is valid or not,

Starting point is 00:18:36 but that you should not leave the dry cleaned clothes in the plastic that you should get them home and air them out? Correct. For long-term storage, you should absolutely be taking the plastic off, and that's basically going to prevent any types of yellowing. The main way yellowing or oxidation, which is the same exact thing that happens when you cut into an apple or an avocado and it starts to brown.

Starting point is 00:19:00 If there is a stain or maybe some body oil still on your clothes that didn't come out, when it's kind of in that sealed environment, it's going to promote oxidation much quicker than if it had, just open air. When a label says dry clean only, is it really dry clean only? It's a really difficult question to answer because there are some things like higher end brands love saying that their pieces are dry clean only or they can't be cleaned at all. And I'm talking about like a nylon hat, which I take and might cost $500. But I'll take it if I'm cleaning it and I'll put it in the washing machine because it's a synthetic that's not going to bleed. It's pretty strong. And I think it's twofold.

Starting point is 00:19:45 I think it's one, this kind of artificial way to increase the value of a garment. And this is specifically on the higher end. When you look at that care label and says, oh, like this only could go to the dry cleaner. This must be really expensive and fancy and well made. And I'll just screw it up at home. but also kind of sheltering yourself and themselves being the manufacturers from any type of risk. You know, say, oh, you tried it at home? Well, it's that dry clean only.

Starting point is 00:20:12 That's kind of your loss. And it's really up to the manufacturer to test it and provide their consumer and their customer with the right information. And it's no man's land out there. And there's a lot of bad information on the care labels. And it's just, it's really disappointing because, again, I'm the one who gets blamed. And that stinks. So it's frustrating. It's your fault.

Starting point is 00:20:35 It's my fault. It's always a dry-cleanest fault. Or the easiest people to blame. So let's talk about stain removal because there's nothing more frustrating than having one of your favorite pieces of clothing get a stain that doesn't seem like it's going to come out. And let me start with those stain removal products like shout. What do you think of those? I think all-purpose enzymatic stain removing sprays, which is what you just described, are. are absolutely amazing. So their main two active ingredients are enzymes, which are very similar

Starting point is 00:21:10 to the enzymes in our digestive tract that take these really big complex molecules like proteins or carbohydrates. And when they're that big, they're really hard to remove from our clothes because they're quite literally wrapped around the fibers. And they digest them. And they make them smaller. And that's why I recommend if you do use something like a shout, you work it into the stain and you let it sit for an hour or two because it literally needs to eat that up, digest it, and then it's easy to wash away. And the other end of it is the surfactants, which is a fancy way of saying soap that is very common in dish soap and laundry detergents and it actually physically surrounds the stain and allows water to wash it away.

Starting point is 00:21:55 Well, that's really interesting. So just spraying shout on a stain and then tossing it right into the wash is probably not very effective. It's not. And something I really like to recommend is if you're doing laundry like once a week, like I keep a bottle of shout hanging off my hamper. If I got a coffee stain, I take my t-shirt off before I put it in the hamper, I spray it on. And basically as long as you wash it before seven days, it's going to be so much more effective than giving it two minutes on the stain. if you'll have it except for a couple days, you should have no headache down the road.

Starting point is 00:22:29 When it comes to stains, just a little bit of pre-treatment goes such a long way, and you can't really expect the washing machine and laundry detergent to do all of the heavy lifting. You just need a little bit of, you know, specific focus on those stains, and it's going to go such a long way. I remember hearing some advice about stains that if you have a stain and you wash the shirt or whatever,

Starting point is 00:22:51 you and it doesn't come out. Don't dry it. Just wash it again and wash it again. And eventually, as long as you don't dry it, the stain will come out, particularly if you use one of those stain removals in between. Yeah. You nailed it. Another common misconception that kind of falls in the same category as hot water set stains because you're, quote unquote, cooking it. Something I actually wasn't really sure about. And then I did some testing and turns out that hot water doesn't and set it, it's the hot air from the dryer. So yes, the worst thing that you can do when it comes to stain removal is to dry a stain in the tumble dryer before it's out.

Starting point is 00:23:32 And like you were saying, take a look at it after the wash. It's not out. Retreat it. And then maybe let the pre-treatment sit for overnight if you only let it sit for an hour before. And then maybe go up in water temperature. Now's a great time to start using warmer hot water because you do need a bit more heavy lifting. And then you can kind of slowly just start to increase.

Starting point is 00:23:51 Because again, we also don't want to go crazy on it because we may, you know, rub the heck out of the stain, use hot water, and now we have a hole, right? And that makes it worse. So I think just kind of slowly getting more aggressive and risky with stain removal is kind of how to how to go about that. Everyone listening to this has washed clothes and everyone listening to this who has washed clothes has learned at least one thing, probably more than one thing in the last 20. minutes that they didn't know before, and that's probably going to end up saving time and money. My guest has been Zach Posniak. He is a fourth generation fabric care expert and dry cleaner, an author of The Laundry Book, The Definitive Guide to Caring for Your Clothes and Linen's. And there's a link to his book at Amazon in the show notes. Hey, thanks. This was really informative,

Starting point is 00:24:44 Zach. I appreciate you taking the time. Yeah, thank you, Mike. Really appreciate you having me on. Something I've noticed that's changed over the years. You used to see somebody, say, sitting on a park bench or sitting in a coffee shop or on a train. And they would just be sitting there, quietly, presumably alone with their thoughts. No stimulation, just quiet. Today, that's a rare sight. People are constantly on their phones, playing a game, being distracted by something else. And that's just part of the problem.

Starting point is 00:25:21 We are bombarded by noise and distraction from everywhere. So the whole idea of just sitting quietly seems almost impossible, and for a lot of people, undesirable. You'll often see people seem very uncomfortable when they have to sit alone quietly. Well, that can't be a good thing, can it? That's what Joe McCormick is here to discuss. In 2022, Joe launched the Quiet Works program to help people manage the noise. in their lives. He's author of a couple of books. His latest is called Quiet Works,

Starting point is 00:25:57 making silence the secret ingredient of the workday. Hi, Joe, welcome to something you should know. Thanks for having me, Mike. So I must not be normal, but I like quiet. I seek it out. And it seems to me that people need quiet. We used to have more of it. So what is the issue here as you see it? Why is there so much noise and distraction and why do people crave it? There's a number of problems. I think one of them is technology in how over the last 10, 20 years, we've consciously or subconsciously let it play a really prominent role in our lives, where it dictates the distractions, the disruptions, the device itself dictates this is where I spend most of my time and my attention. I think that's a big part of it. I also think that people run from quiet.

Starting point is 00:26:49 They are busy. They're running around doing a million things, but they don't ever stop to think and listen and reflect because busyness is seen as productive, meaningful. If you ask people how they're doing, you know, busy, busy, busy is an answer that you get all the time. And I think that's kind of a default mode for a lot of people. Yeah, that being busy is better, better than being alone.

Starting point is 00:27:12 And being with people and collaborating that, you know, everything's about collaboration and teams today, that that's better than working by yourself. We pointed ourselves in the direction of like collaboration as king. In being together means that's better. And it's not to say that being with people is not great. It's amazing, but it's not the only way to define our life. I mean, whether it's at home or with friends or at work, you always have to have people around to make it meaningful. And, you know, certainly I don't have to make this argument to an introvert. The introvert is going to naturally go to silence or quiet, you know, more readily than an extrovert. But I think more collectively as a society,

Starting point is 00:27:53 we define like living is being around people and connected and in being busy and in being accessing information and distributing information and being on social media is like that's living. I want to give people another option, which is you can do that and be alone because the being the lone part actually makes the being together part better. So I get it. I hear your message. And it sounds right. It seems like it makes sense.

Starting point is 00:28:22 But how do we know this is true? Is there science behind this or is this just kind of an assumption or what? Yeah, the best book to read on it. There's two books actually. One is called The Shallows, which is how technology has made people shallow thinkers. And another book is by Cal Newport called Deep Work. Both of those are incredibly well-researched books that talk about value in society is coming from not being shallow or superficial, but being a deep thinker and doing deep work. And deep work is defined in Cal Newport's book as being in like longer states without distraction.

Starting point is 00:29:02 And for a lot of people, that's just not their reality. So I think most people would agree that distraction is a problem, that we're very distracted by so many things. things and we should eliminate or certainly cut down on the number of distractions. But that doesn't necessarily mean quiet is good. You know, distractions bad, but how do we know that quiet is good? I mean, in school, when you took a test, usually it was quiet, silence, no talking. But how do we know that quiet is really good for doing good work? Concentration.

Starting point is 00:29:39 Think collaboration together, concentration alone. For me, one of the biggest one is preparation. I have to have time to prepare what I'm going to do. And that requires no distractions, some quiet focus to be able to think about those things, to plan those things, to prioritize those things. And if I don't have that time, I don't do that. I'm not prepared. And I go into my life kind of aimlessly jumping around from thing to thing.

Starting point is 00:30:04 And that's how a lot of people live their lives. It's just they don't have a plan. If you look at what the day looked like, like it just sort of happened. So quiet isn't just like, oh, peaceful, tranquil, you know, restful feeling. It's about being deliberate about what am I going to do today? What's the most important thing for me to do today? It's about having that time. It's not even hours. It could be minutes to think about things more deliberately and more intentionally. Well, here's something I've noticed that I want you to comment on is I see people who are really uncomfortable with quiet,

Starting point is 00:30:36 that they can't not get their phone out. They can't sit there quietly. They can't. It drives them crazy because they're so used to outside stimulation that to be alone with your thoughts is painful. Blaise Pascal, a famous French philosopher mathematician, once said, I'm paraphrasing, most of the world's problems would be solved if a person can sit alone in a room by themselves. And one of the things that people have with quiet as they run from it because they're afraid, I was the same way.

Starting point is 00:31:10 I got on my phone all the time and I was just collaborating and I was really moving through my life pretty quickly, pretty briskly, kind of thoughtlessly. And when I started doing this, taking some time by day and quiet, it was difficult in the beginning. And what I discovered was that it was exactly what I needed because I needed that time and I wasn't giving myself that time. It was explained to me by a person recently we were talking about exercise. And if you look, think of collaborations like exercise. What you do before your exercise, you stretch.

Starting point is 00:31:40 Quiet is like stretching before you collaborate. There's a connection between that time, very slow. Like, I'm going to spend this time thinking, and then I'm going to talk, or I'm going to collaborate, and people don't stretch before they work out. They don't do quiet before they work out. It's kind of a connection I made. And if you start doing it, it starts becoming really, really valuable. So since you train people and work with people, when you make this class,

Starting point is 00:32:04 that you need quiet, that quiet's important, that you need to get away from the distractions. Do they know that? Do people go, well, sure, I get it. Or do they go, gee, I can't imagine what you're talking about. This makes no sense to me. I've got to, I mean, do people know this is a problem? I train a lot of different people. I train corporate leaders. One of the people I train is I train people in the military, specifically special operations folks, which ironically call themselves quiet professionals. And we do exercises in the courses I teach them. And I'm talking about like green berets, Navy SEALs, people like that. Very elite people. These are people that didn't wake up yesterday saying, I want to want to do with my life. And when we do exercises, I'll do an exercise.

Starting point is 00:32:47 Like, all right, take five minutes in quiet to prepare a meeting that you're going to have with your commander tomorrow. And I set the watch. And after five minutes, I ask him before we start, okay, well, how did that feel? And you get some really surprising answers. Yeah, logically, people know that it's important, but they're habitually not doing it. And when you don't do it, then you start doing it. It feels weird in the beginning because you're running around all the time. You don't actually stop. You don't pause. And these are pretty elite people that know that it's important, but don't do it as a habit really at all. During the day, maybe a little bit when they drive into work, but it's not a habit of their lives. And when I introduce it and they experience it

Starting point is 00:33:28 and it actually is valuable, then they're like, oh, I can start, I can see myself doing this. So it's not knowing it's doing it. It's kind of like stretching. You're like, yeah, logically it makes sense, but I don't do it. Well, let's stretch a little bit.

Starting point is 00:33:40 And then they start seeing a difference in their lives. What's the prescription do you think? I mean, if people listening to this are thinking, yeah, see, I'm running around all the time. But where would you start? Do you need five minutes? Do you need an hour? When do you do it?

Starting point is 00:33:54 What's a good way to put your toe in the water? This was my first takeaway is why it isn't a technique. It's an appointment. So the first reason people don't do it is because they don't know how to do it. And my argument is it's not about how you do it. It's that you do it. So the first thing is making an appointment. So start with five minutes in the morning and five minutes in the afternoon.

Starting point is 00:34:16 Like schedule appointment. Like from 8805, I'm going to think about one thing, my day, or, you know, what's the most important thing I need to do today? where I'm going to think about, you know, whatever. I'm going to read a book for five minutes. Whatever you do, that's alone, that's just quiet. And do it for five minutes and just treat it as an appointment that is a part of your day. It doesn't have to be like, it's like working out. You don't start working out with like an hour.

Starting point is 00:34:41 You might start working out with like, you know, 10 minutes or whatever. So think of it like that. And you just do it for five minutes and you make an appointment, let yourself experience it, do it poorly. I heard this quote a while ago that really helped me a lot is, anything that's worth doing in life is worth doing poorly. So don't give yourself a grade. It's okay to be terrible at it. Just do it as an appointment for five minutes. But don't miss the appointment because it's time for you and only for you by you with you. It's like nobody else needs to be at this appointment other than you. And when I started doing that, it changed my day. Over time, I stopped canceling the appointment,

Starting point is 00:35:18 which I was canceling all the time. And I stopped, I started keeping it. And then the five minutes became 10 and then I started putting these pockets of quiet appointments during the day, not a million of them, you know, half a dozen. And it really helped me become much more deliberate about how I navigated my day. And as you carve out more time to be alone with your thoughts and think about things and prepare things, what else does it do? What are the other benefits, if any? The time alone makes the time that you have together with people better. So as I go home and I have a little bit of quiet in my car and I walk in the front door, I can be much more deliberate about, okay, well, what am I going to do and what am I going to say and how am I going to be versus

Starting point is 00:36:00 just being in a busy mode or if I go to work in the morning and I spend my first 10 to 15 minutes of quiet alone planning my day, who am I going to talk to, what am I going to say, what's the most important thing? It will make my day better. And if you start to do that habitually, you'll communicate better, you'll work better, you'll live better because you have a plan. And that plan has happened in that appointment that you made for yourself, with yourself, and by yourself, in quiet, without distractions. And even if you did it poorly, it's still going to be good. Nobody will ever say after a minute of a quiet appointment that it was a waste of time. In this quiet appointment, though, what is it you're doing? Are you just quieting your mind?

Starting point is 00:36:45 Are you planning your schedule for the day? Are you thinking about what to say to the boss? What is it you're trying to accomplish here? The short answer is one thing at a time. You could do nothing. You can read. You can plan. You can reflect.

Starting point is 00:37:01 You can think. You can prepare. You can complain. You can choose. I'll use choose as an example. If you're going to make a decision, for example, you're going to buy a house or buy a dog or take a big trip or invest money in the stock market, most people don't think a lot alone before they make a decision. And that's a really good way of using quiet.

Starting point is 00:37:23 Like, I'm going to make a decision about where I want to go to college or that I'm going to sell my house or whatever those decisions are. Those many decisions are not made deliberately. They're made sort of impulsively. And I'm not saying in a moment decisions like that are bad. I'm just saying that that would be one list of among many of things that you use in quiet because it's something you do by yourself in that list goes on and on but but those are a few things that I would do in quiet and what you do depends on what just whatever you think or your day

Starting point is 00:37:56 your your day your circumstances your life let's say that a person's going through difficulty let's say that they're going through like a relationship issue or they're having a problem with work or with a with a friend or something that would be a good opportunity to use five minutes of quiet or 10 and it's quiet to think about it you know what what's going on what's what's what's happening why is this happening what would happen if I didn't do anything about it how am I going to approach it but when you grab your phone and you start doing something else then you that thoughts broke broken and there's research it says as soon as you get distracted takes about 20 to 25 minutes to regain

Starting point is 00:38:32 the thought so that thought that you were on up you wanted kind of a on a path to to really being more considered more thoughtful about that most people don't wake up going I'm gonna be thoughtless today I mean, they're not. They just go about their day from thing to thing to thing to thing, and the day becomes a blur. Quiet makes the day less of a blur because I can spend time thinking about this issue or this plan or this decision I need to make or I want to learn something. And I can dedicate time to do that without distraction and have a chance of it being possible. And I think a lot of people, that time doesn't seem like it's there.

Starting point is 00:39:10 And I look at time as like not in a scarcity but in abundance. There's pockets of quiet all during my day. I just have to seek them out, schedule the time to do it. And I find that a lot of great things happen when I do it. For those people who can remember a time when there was more quiet time where you weren't connected, where you couldn't check your smartphone because there was no such thing as a smartphone, people remember that time fondly, I think, for the most part, that you could, escape the world and you could be alone with your thoughts. I think today for those people who

Starting point is 00:39:45 weren't around then, who've always been connected, they can't imagine that. That seems like, how do you function in the world if you can't, like, be on your phone? Well, one of the things in doing this, a belief that people fall into, whether they think about it or not, which is everything is an emergency. But in doing so, when they grab that thing and they don't have quiet, but they dive into noise, then something else happens and then they lose that opportunity and then they start their day that way. And I just think that when you look at how people start and live the day, having these little pockets during the day aren't just like someday that I'll have them because I think a lot of people don't have them at all. And then five years, 10 years, 15 years go by

Starting point is 00:40:31 and you're like, what happened in your life? It's a blur. And what I started experiencing was my day started slowing down because I started slowing it down by making these appointments and keeping them. In my collaboration got better. I got a lot more innovation, a lot more creativity and inspired me to write more. I own a business. I'm doing new things. All of which I may have missed if I hadn't kept those appointments. I think too that we suffer in our communications with people. One of my real pet peeves is, you know, when I'm talking to someone and they're, and they're, and their phone goes off. And all of a sudden, that gets priority. Well, wait, we were just talking. Well, yeah, but my phone rang. Well, yeah, I don't care.

Starting point is 00:41:15 I mean, I hate that. I turn my phone off or I tried to. Somehow those distractions get right to the top of the list. And then, or if you've ever had that experience of your, you're talking to somebody and they start reading a text and they didn't hear a thing you said. And I thought, God, that's so rude. When you were just talking about the, like, If the phone went up during the interview, one of the things that I was thinking about is you interview a lot of people and you talk to a lot of people, how many of those people spend enough time in quiet preparing for the interview and how much better the interviews would be if they did more of it. And I start thinking about things like that. And I'm like, well, that would be significantly better for you, for them, for everybody, for your listeners. But when you don't, it's not as good.

Starting point is 00:42:01 And that's, I think a lot of people's days are like that. I think you're like, my idea was pretty good, but would it have been so much better if I'd just given myself permission to pause for 10 to 15 minutes to think about the most important thing? And one of the things that I suggest to people, it's a really simple thing. It's a sentence and it says, you know, people have different roles in their lives, right? You have a role as an interviewer. I have a role as an author, entrepreneur, father, you know, uncle, whatever. And it's in my role as blank. The most important thing for me to do today is blank.

Starting point is 00:42:32 in that, if you do that in quiet, like, all right, well, I'm just going to finish that sentence. In my role as father, the most important thing today is to, you know, wish my son a happy birthday. It's not his birthday today, but let's say it were. Well, if I did that in quiet, my debt, it makes me more deliberate about how I put it. That's the most important thing I have to do today or to think about. And I think people miss those opportunities because they're too busy running around. Well, it also seems that when you take some time to prepare, say, for an interaction you're going to have with someone else later, or you plan what you're going to say, what you're going to do.

Starting point is 00:43:05 When you give it some thought ahead of time, it makes you more effective in that exchange later. It also makes you more efficient. And people appreciate that, that you showed up ready to go. When you think about how much time people waste other people's times because they don't prepare and quiet beforehand, it's absolutely mind-blowing. How little people think before they do things, before they say things, things, whether it's a leader or a parent or a coach, there's no quiet in the day. And if there's no quiet, there's no thought, there's no preparation, there's no deliberation. And then they just

Starting point is 00:43:43 make it up on the fly. They're wasting an enormous amount of people's time. You also talk about doing this, enforcing this kind of quiet time before a meeting with other people, where everyone takes a few minutes to be quiet. Which feels a little weird when you do it. But when you gather a bunch of people together in a room. You said, okay, we're going to have a meeting. Let's start with two minutes of quiet, about what we're going to talk about today, what's important, what do we want to get out of this time that we have you together? Let's take two minutes to do that.

Starting point is 00:44:12 The conversation that ensues is much better because people have gotten their minds right. They've got a mindset of, okay, this is, I'm prepared. It's like going on a football field or playing an event. You know, like, I'm going to think about this thing for a second here before I start doing it, makes it better. It's never a waste of time. even two minutes of it, it's never waste time. Well, I'm certainly on board with this.

Starting point is 00:44:34 I've been a practitioner of this idea for a long time, and I like to see that you're out promoting it to people who maybe haven't really thought much about it. I've been speaking with Joe McCormick, and his latest book is called, Quiet Works, Making Silence the Secret Ingredient of Your Workday. And there's a link to his book at Amazon in the show notes, and I appreciate you coming on and taking the time.

Starting point is 00:44:58 Thanks, Joe. Mike, it's great to talk to again. And thanks for what you do. This is a great podcast. I really appreciate you having me. There's been some controversy about baby carrots. Some people say that they're mini-mutant carrots soaked in chlorine. Well, that's partially true.

Starting point is 00:45:19 They're perfectly safe to eat. Cocktail-sized carrots are real carrots. Farmers have modified the regular tapered carrot that we know to grow specifically for cocktail carrots. They're less tapered and easier to cut and shape. They usually cut about three or four baby carrots from a bigger carrot. As for the chlorine, it is true that they're rinsed in a mild solution of water and chlorine to kill bacteria and extend shelf life.

Starting point is 00:45:47 But in fact, most pre-cut vegetables are. The amount of chlorine residue left on those carrots is about the same amount of chlorine as if you were to rinse them under your tap. Baby carrots can taste different from regular carrots because they're sometimes made from older carrots which can be starchier and less sweet and baby carrots are more expensive than regular carrots. They can also dry out and develop a white film called carrot blush.

Starting point is 00:46:16 And the fact of the matter is you can just buy regular carrots and cut them into smaller pieces. But in fact, baby carrots, the cocktail carrots, are perfectly safe to eat. And that is something you should know. There are a couple of different things you could do to help support this podcast. You can share it with someone and help us get new listeners. You can share it on social media to help spread the word.

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