Something You Should Know - The Extraordinary Ways The Workplace is Changing & Why You Have Allergies
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Today on Something You Should Know,
why holding on to a secret can be a bigger burden than you imagine.
Then, the world of work.
It's changing.
It has to because so many of us are unhappy.
Let's look at the numbers, Mike.
70% of people are unhappy with what they do. 75% plan to look for new work this year. A million
people a week quit a job. That's 50 million people a year. That number is twice what it was 10 years
ago. Also, people who exercise have a lot more sex appeal and a lot more sex.
And allergies, why we have them and the one good thing about them.
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First up today, if you've got a secret,
and I think everybody probably has a secret,
if you've got a secret, the sooner you tell someone, the better.
A study from Tufts University confirms that keeping a secret can affect everything else you do.
It could be good news you're waiting to announce,
or something not so good that you feel you need to hide, but holding it in can actually hurt.
The burden of suppression can act as an emotional and physical weight in your day-to-day life.
People who keep secrets tend to move slower and require more energy to get things done.
And that is something you should know.
The world of work has changed a lot.
Certainly COVID rattled the whole working landscape with so many people working from home.
But there's more to the change than that.
This whole idea of having a job, a career that follows this path,
that guides your life,
that just isn't the way for so many people anymore.
Things are different. I mean, I can feel it.
And someone who's really been looking closely at this is Bruce Feiler.
Bruce is the author of six consecutive New York Times bestselling books,
including The Secrets of Happy Families, The Council of Dads, and his latest is called The Search,
Finding Meaningful Work in a Post-Career World.
Hey, Bruce, welcome to Something You Should Know.
Thank you so much, Mike. It's great to be
with you. So paint this picture for me of how work has changed, because I think many of us still have
this view that you have a job. That's what pays the bills. Hopefully it's a job you like. You work
at your job, you move up in your career, and that's how it goes. But that's actually not the way it
works today. The way it works today.
The way it works is that each of us has up to five jobs.
Many of us have a main job, but actually the statistics show fewer than half of us even have a main job anymore.
And in my study, it was 39%. Two-thirds of us have a care job, which is caring for young children or aging relatives.
Three-quarters of us have a side job, which you do for young children or aging relatives. Three quarters of us have a side job,
which you do for love or for money. But then there's two other categories that just became
clear the longer I listened to the hundreds of hours of interviews that I collected,
is that 86% of us have what I call a hope job, which is a term that I coined just because I was
hearing it all the time. And a hope job is something that you do that you hope becomes something else, right? Like
writing a screenplay or selling jewelry on Etsy or pickles at the farmer's market. And many of
these hope jobs, people actually pay out of pocket to do, like starting a podcast or something like
that, because they think and they hope that it might lead to something else. And then quickly, the fifth job is that 93% of us have what I call a ghost job,
which is an invisible time suck that feels like a job, like battling self-doubt or
discrimination or sobriety or mental health.
And the way you described it, I think is 1000% accurate, but I think it's worth pausing and
celebrating that this is a powerful change.
Because what you said was, is that one or two of these jobs we might do because we need
the salary or the income or the benefits.
But if we don't get meaning out of that job, then we take another job, which is where we get the meaning
in our lives. And that actually is an incredible opportunity because where do we begin? The thing
that's not negotiable is that people want work with meaning these days. But because we have this
kind of collection, this 360 degree relationship with work, if one of our jobs doesn't get meaning for us because
the meaning is non-negotiable, we'll go to another job and do that because it gives us
the meaning that we want and that we crave.
And so do you think that this is new or this is just new research on something that's been
going on for a long time and now you've put a face on it?
The short answer is I think that it's new. For most of human history, people lived where they
worked, and they worked where they lived. There was no word for career. There was no word for job.
It wasn't until the 19th century that for the first time, two things happen. A third of the country left rural areas and moved to cities,
and this massive wave of people emigrated to the United States. And in 1908, a man named Frank
Parsons invented the idea of the career. The career is a Latin word for chariot that goes
around a course. And in 1908, he opened the first career counseling center in
Boston. And within two years, that went everywhere around the country, and every college had a career
counseling program. So in effect, he invented the idea of the career. But what did he say?
It was only for boys. You only did it once. And if you ever changed your career, there was something psychologically wrong
with you. 50 years later, then the embodiment of that linear career was created. And it was
the resume. Before 1950, no one ever needed or had a resume. And what was the resume but a linear
trajectory of jobs that you did? And that was an age when the only people doing this were a certain kind of
person. And that was a person who left home, went to work, and there was somebody back at home who
took care of the kids and the laundry. Well, now the workforce is entirely different. Beginning in
2019, the Bureau of Labor Statistics said the majority of all people hired are black and brown women. Okay, so the workforce is changing,
and as a result, they've changed the way we think about work. So I think that this is a long
historical shift, and it's something that we have to reckon with. And by the way, if you work in a
company and you want to recruit and retain talent, the old days when you can say, I'm paying you,
that should make you happy, that doesn't work anymore. Companies have to realize,
whether it's mental health, whether it's family leave, whether it's finding ways for your workers to feel engaged, if you don't offer these opportunities to your workers, they're going
to leave in two and a half years. So this is a massive inflection.
And what are the stakes? Let's look at the numbers, Mike. 70% of people are unhappy with what they do.
75% in a poll released in May of this year, 75% of people plan to look for new work this year.
A million people a week quit a job. That's 50 million people a year.
That's a third of the workforce. That number is twice what it was 10 years ago.
And another third is saying, I don't want to come into the office every day. I want to maybe come
in several days. That's 100 million people who are in a state of flux. These numbers are
unprecedented. This is new. We have to grapple with it,
and it creates great opportunity,
but we need help trying to figure out
how do we ask the questions
and make the decisions we all need to make.
What is the impact of this?
And when you say people have up to five different jobs,
they have side jobs, what is the impact of that?
Is that a good thing or is that a bad thing or it just depends?
The research on this is actually quite interesting, Mike. Okay, so let's just take a side job,
which as we said, three quarters of Americans have a side job. Here, the research is quite telling.
If you have a side job that is the same as what you do during the day, it will actually make you less happy and less productive.
So for example, if you work in a design shop and you spend your weekend calligraphing wedding
invitations, it actually will undermine your performance at work. But as in the case with
most people, if your side job is something different, you as i said make jewelry or sell pickles right
or are notary public or you know do a dj at weddings and you work in a design office because
those are different because it gives you meaning in that other part you'll actually be more
effective more productive and happier at work so this is not a threat to the workplace. It's an opportunity,
but it requires a rethink and a reframing on everyone's part.
Why do people have side jobs typically? Is it just for the money or what?
The short answer to that question is people have side jobs because it will give them meaning.
For some, that meaning is money.
Okay, I need to replace the tires or put a new roof on my house or prepare to send my kid to
college. But for others, it's a sense of service or getting back. So, I'm going to serve on the
condo board, right? Or I'm going to write a memoir, right?
Or I'm going to do something else that gives me meaning.
Because we don't just make meaning in one area of our lives.
So how are you supposed to find, or what are the questions you ask
to find out what it means to find meaning in your career or in your work.
What is a problem you've been trying to solve since you were a child?
What were the upsides and downsides you learned about work from your parents?
And by starting in the past and then moving to the present and filling out basic questions like,
I'm in a moment in my life when or my purpose right now is
people begin to find out that they have a variety of things they want to
accomplish sure they need to support their families if that's their role in
the family but also they also need to support their own life story I want to
give back I want to have purpose I. I want to somehow make the world
a better place. And by the way, that's a lot of people. There are 3 million school teachers in
this world. There are 5 million people in arts and culture. There's 10 million people who work
in religious institutions or higher education. And there's 20 million people who work in public
service. That's 50 million people.
That's 30% of the workforce that is saying meaning is not exclusively about money for me.
I draw a broader definition and I seek a more fulfilling story.
We're talking about the ever-changing world of work.
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people are rethinking work and career, but aren't there also a lot of people who don't have this
deep philosophical inner dialogue about their work, that they have a job or they want a job
to pay the bills and that's it i interviewed a woman and she
was she grew up in a horrific self circumstance and she was gang raped as a child and she pursued
education and it was not the right fit for her she went off and worked on a boat for many years
and then she began this path to healing and now she does body work and she helps people recover their inner trauma and move beyond it and reclaim their lives and their life stories.
And I asked her this question in almost exactly the same words.
And she said, but what if you're just going about your day and you don't feel that you have a story to tell?
And what she said has really resonated and stuck with me she
said if that's where you are right now keep going but you're not necessarily
always going to be there and they're gonna be moments in your life when you
say ah now I'm confused now I'm stuck now I'm unhappy with what I do a 70% of
us are as we just were saying.
And now I want to ask those questions.
So if you're not in this place right now, that's great.
Keep going.
But you or someone you know is in that place right now.
And for them, this is what they need to do.
Because the story that we have told in this country since the very beginning is that success
is all about
climbing. Rags to riches, greater salary, higher office, you know, better view, more benefits.
But having done this now for 1,500 hours of listening to people tell their stories,
I can tell you one thing I know with confidence, that people who are happiest, feel most fulfilled,
and are most successful in what they do, they don't just climb.
They also dig.
They excavate the story they've been trying to tell their whole lives, and they say, now
is the moment that I'm going to start telling it.
Yeah, I mean, I get that.
It just seems like those people are more the exception than the rule, but it sounds like what you're saying is it's really the rule. clearly. 80 million of us are in a work quake right now. You or someone you know is going to
sit down with someone they love today over breakfast, a cup of coffee, late at night,
and say, I'm unhappy with what I do, and I want to do something that makes me happy.
Because here's the thing, Mike. Those of us of a certain age grew up with the expectation that the American dream was that each generation would do better than the prior generation.
And that better was almost exclusively defined by one metric, money, and these external metrics of achievement.
We still have that desire but what happens when you go talk to people is that their definition of doing better than their parents is they want to be happier and more
fulfilled I asked everybody the first question I asked people in my interviews
were what were the upsides or values of work that you learned from your parents
64% said working hard then I asked them what were the downsides or shadows of work
that you learned from your parents. The number one answer, they worked too hard.
The number two answer, they sacrificed the family. That is the change. 86% of
Millennials say that they are more committed to well-being at work than the generations prior. That's the
Xers and the boomer. 86% of millennials self-identify as caring more about a meaningful
workplace and work that gives them meaning than their parents or the generation immediately before
them. That is a massive change. This is built in.
Fewer people are searching merely for work.
More people are searching for work with meaning.
And what does it mean to have work with meaning?
Because you get what from that?
I love this question because I think it allows me to do
what I know you love to do in your podcast,
which is to geek out a little bit on the science.
There's a difference between happiness and meaning.
So happiness is present-oriented.
It's a fleeting emotion.
I cite in the search this incredible research
by Roy Baumeister of Florida State,
who is the meaning guru in American academia today.
And he says animals can be happy,
because anybody can be happy in the present.
But meaning is different.
Meaning is about stitching together past, present, and future.
And for example, meaning is about accommodating
in your own life story unhappy events
as well as happy events, okay?
And the way you do that is with a story.
Because what we've learned through neuroscience
is that our brains are wired to tell a story.
Life is the story that you tell yourself,
that story you have in your head about who you are
and what brings you purpose
and where you came from and where you're going.
That's not just part of you,
that is you in a fundamental way.
Okay, that's what we've learned from neuroscience.
And while work
is out there, we have a story to tell. For whatever reason, that has not really been
in the world of work. So the idea that I explore in this book, that each of us has a work story,
that's actually a new way of thinking about it. But that's exactly where career counseling has
gone. So now the cutting edge of career counseling is what's called narrative career construction. The idea that your work is a story and that every time
you have one of these work quakes, which as we've been saying is every two and a half years,
that's like a plot twist in your own life. And it causes you to revisit the decisions that you're
making and the choices that you choose to follow. So that is
the big change. Our work is a story and at different times of our life, we want to tell a different
story. And so what's going to happen or what is happening with those jobs that are inherently
fairly meaningless? If you're working the fry machine at the fast food place,
hard to imagine you're going to find a lot of deep meaning in that, but somebody has to do it.
Well, in fact, what happens when you talk to people is that they find great meaning. I tell
the story about an iconic study at the University of Michigan Hospital where researchers talked to
people who worked, mostly women, in janitorial roles. And when they ask
somebody, when they ask a woman, what does it mean to empty a bedpan? What do you do?
She doesn't say that I empty a bedpan. She doesn't say that I do the most menial and meaningless job
you can imagine. She says, I'm an essential part of the care team.
That's what I am.
I am making people's lives better.
And when you ask people, as I did,
all of the hundreds of people that I interviewed,
what is the thing that is, who are the,
and when I ask people, as I've done for hundreds of people,
like, what is it that brings you most meaning?
They say the people, but they don't mention the colleagues, okay?
They mention the people that they help.
So if you talk to people, as I have done now for years, and say, what is it that does make you happy and bring you meaning from what you do?
They tell a story.
So somebody in the cement business, my father was a builder.
And I remember a conversation from when I was 10,
and I was like, Dad, everybody else's parent seems to have a job.
You seem to do four or five different things.
You work in multifamily and solo family, and you have apartments,
and every two years it's changing,
because that's what the real estate business was like in the 1970s.
I was like, what do you do, dad?
And he said, I'm in the shelter business.
And now, almost 50 years later, I can remember the beauty and power of that statement.
Wow, he's in the shelter business.
And that's one of the essential things that we all need as human beings.
He doesn't see it the way I do.
He's going to apartments and houses and construction sites.
He is serving a purpose that we all have.
And that's what people do no matter what job they have.
So there's a difference, or maybe there isn't a difference between finding work with meaning
and finding meaning in your work.
Oh, that's a beautiful, beautiful question.
And I do think, I love that question and I'm reflecting on it as I'm absorbing it as you ask.
The way to think about that beautiful question is each of us wants a life with meaning and the work
is only one part of that. And at different times in our lives,
we may prioritize different things. So maybe we say my family is most important to me right now.
So therefore, I'm willing to take work that has less meaning because I need other things from it,
a sense that I can provide for my family and the security and the benefits and things like that.
But then maybe in a few years, we become empty nesters and we
all know people like this who say, okay, you know what? I devoted myself to belonging. I wanted
something for myself now. Or we also know people who said, I've been focused on myself and my
agency and my contributions and my own salary and title and status. You know, I'd like to give back
first. I'd like to give back now. So like to give back now so my answer to your question is
what's most important to us is that we have a meaningful life and we can adjust how we find
meaningful work to suit that larger purpose you know I think everybody who works at some point
has that sense of you know is is this all there is Is this it? Is this really what I want to do?
And it's remarkable that so many people
are having that kind of epiphany moment
and saying, oh, let's think about something else.
Let's find meaning in what I do.
And this is a whole new world of work.
I appreciate you sharing it.
I've been talking with Bruce Feiler.
The name of his book is
The Search, Finding Meaningful Work
in a Post-Career
World. And there's a link to that book in the show notes. Appreciate it. Thanks for being here, Bruce.
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I don't know too many people who don't have allergies.
Seems like everyone's allergic to something.
And a lot of times it's just stuff in the air.
I have that allergy.
I have no idea what specifically I'm allergic to,
but on certain days, I and a lot of other people start sneezing and get watery eyes, get stuffed up.
And then there are food allergies.
Seems like a lot more people today have food allergies than in the past.
Why is that? What is an allergy? Why do we get them? Can you get rid of them?
Here to explain all this is Teresa McPhail. She is a medical anthropologist,
associate professor of science and technology studies, and author of the book Allergic,
Our Irritated Bodies in a Changing World. Hi, Teresa. Thank you for coming on Something
You Should Know.
Hi. Thanks so much for having me.
So what exactly is an allergy? What's going on when you have an allergic
reaction to something? It's basically an immune reaction and it's basically just a hypersensitive
immune system response. So your immune cells are responding to an allergen, whatever it is, peanut protein or oak tree pollen in the air, grass pollen. And it's
deciding that that thing should not be part of you. And it's triggering a similar immune response
that we have to things like bacteria and viruses. So it's basically just gearing up the immune
system. To attack? To cope, I would say.
So it's mistaking a pollen grain for something that is potentially harmful. A normal person
will just tolerate a piece of pollen that enters your nasal passageways. But for those of us who
have allergies, your immune system cells respond to
that pollen as if it's a bacteria or a virus. So it starts turning on inflammation. So that's why
you get the swelling. It turns on the mucus production, which is why you get all sneezy and
your nose starts to run and your eyes start to itch. So all of the same mechanisms come on,
which is why it's
sometimes, especially, you know, in the spring, it's really hard to tell sometimes if you have
a cold or allergies because the initial response is the same. So you said something a moment ago
that if you're a normal person does this and someone with an allergy does that. Well,
it seems like it's pretty normal to have an allergy. I mean, what are the numbers
of who has allergies and who doesn't? Well, it's growing. It's about, it's hard to get an
accurate number because it's really hard to measure these things. But we think anywhere
between 30 and 40% of the total global population has an allergic response to at least one thing.
So that's a ginormous number of people.
And I think that sounds low to me because I don't know anybody that doesn't say,
oh, God, my allergies.
Oh, my God.
Right?
Yeah.
Well, what about in Western society?
Is it worse?
Yes.
There tends to be more allergies in developed countries, or I would say richer countries.
And there are various theories for why that is.
And it all boils down to our lifestyles.
And one of the interesting things that might surprise people is that you often see, like, say someone is living in sub-Saharan Africa and then they immigrate to the United States or England.
In about three years, a lot of them will develop allergies and they had absolutely no allergic response in their country.
You mentioned a moment ago asthma and eczema.
Are those considered allergies? That is such a tricky thing to answer. Most of the researchers
and clinicians that I talk to would say yes. There are some people that hold out a no.
And the reason is that something like asthma, even though it's a similar immune response,
it uses the same pathways. You can get asthma from exertion and that's not an allergy. So a lot of
people want to keep asthma separate and then refer to people who have allergic triggers. They'll call
it allergic asthma. So here's what I'm trying to understand here is that you say that people, for example, come from the desert and move to the West.
Within three years, they have an allergy.
Why?
What happened in those three years that they now have an allergy because they came here?
It could be a variety of things.
The number one reason is probably that their bodies are being introduced to things that they've never seen before. So the immune system,
before we turn three years old, your immune system is learning the world, if you want to
think of it that way. So your early exposures really train your immune system to respond to
the things in your environment.
So if you grew up in one area and then you move to another area, your immune system,
if you've never been around elm trees and suddenly you're breathing in elm pollen,
there's a chance that your immune system might think, hey, wait a minute, we've never seen this
before. This shouldn't be here and react. So that's the primary way.
But the secondary way is that their diets change likely in all likelihood, and also their lifestyles
are changing. So if you think about people moving from more rural areas to more urban centers,
they're being exposed to more particulate matter in the air from air pollution and things like
that.
So their immune systems are being bombarded with a lot of things that they haven't seen before.
So that can go either way. Some people are fine.
And then other people who would never have developed possibly an allergy in their home country then start their immune system, start having trouble with coping with all of the new things in their
environment. So help me understand something. When I was a kid, I don't remember many people
having allergies, and I certainly don't remember people, very many people, having food allergies.
Today, you know, you can't bring peanuts to school. This is a peanut-free zone.
There seems to be a lot more people with food allergies than there used to be.
These aren't people coming from another climate, from another part of the world. So what happened?
What changed that now this is such a thing and it didn't used to be. It's interesting because allergic responses to food were likely around for a very long time,
but they flew under the radar. And there are possible reasons for this. A, we weren't looking
for them. And there's always the trope of if you're not looking for something, you don't see it.
But also, children were, they were just growing up in a different way. The other problem is that
we gave mothers and fathers bad advice, especially in terms of peanuts, as you're probably, some of
your listeners are aware. We changed the guidelines a few years ago. So
up until fairly recently, they would advise mothers not to ingest certain foods during the
latter stages of their pregnancy and not to give toddlers and young children things like peanut
butter just in case. And it turns out that was the exact wrong advice,
that early introduction is better, even though someone might still have an allergic response.
But we kind of created a bigger problem because, again, that training. So if you withhold it until
older, then the immune system doesn't get trained on it. So they've actually reversed course
and they want parents to introduce things like peanuts
as soon as possible into the diet
to see if there is a problem.
And if there's not,
to potentially prevent a problem from developing
by getting the baby immune system
used to that form of protein.
So that is another reason
that we saw this explosion
of food allergies. I remember hearing someone explain that the increase in allergies in people
has something to do with the fact that we tend to live in a very clean environment. We're not
exposed to a lot of things. It's kind of that argument of, you know, you should let your kids play more in the dirt and get dirty because the more things we're exposed to, then that helps our immune
system. And that because we live in such a clean environment, the immune system gets bored and it
needs something to do. So it attacks itself. And that's why we have all these allergies. Does that explanation line up with
what you found in the research? Yes, that is usually called the hygiene hypothesis.
So the idea is that when you're not exposed to a lot of bacteria and viruses when you're young,
the immune system was evolved to deal with a lot of that. And so in the absence of it,
your immune system is rather like a toddler that has not been given anything to do. It's bored and
wants to do something. And so it's actively looking for something to do. I mean, the evidence does show that kids who grow up on farms,
particularly, so if you grow up on a farm, but interestingly enough, it has to be a farm with
animals. And there's something about being in the barn, like, so if you carry your infant into the
barn and they're exposed to all these animals and dirt in the barnyard, those kids tend to have extremely low
rates of allergies. So we know that at least partially the gene hypothesis is definitely true.
Can you give me a sense of like, what are the most common allergies and what are, you know,
like how many people have peanut allergies and how many people have allergies to, you know, like how many people have peanut allergies and how many people have
allergies to, you know, stuff in the air? I mean, I have allergies to stuff in the air. I don't know
too many people who don't. It's really hard to say. And the reason is we usually rely on
self-reported surveys. So you're basically asking people who may never have been to an allergist to say if
they have an allergy. So it's really hard to get a good number on this. Obviously, hay fever or
respiratory allergies are really prevalent. It's probably, so again, this number, you're like,
why is it this big? It's the difference. It's either 10% to 30%. I like to go right in the middle and say about 20%
of the whole global population has hay fever or respiratory allergies. It could be more than that,
but it's definitely not less than that. Like you said, almost everyone I talk to has something.
Food allergy typically is smaller. The best information we have is around
9%, 8 or 9% of children are having issues with one or more food allergens. And that seems fairly
stable. But again, it's really hard to get those numbers because not everyone has access to an
allergist, which is,, which is another huge problem everywhere.
Is it true that allergies will sometimes just disappear?
Yes, yes.
Because especially food allergies, a lot of them, like nut allergies seems to persist over time,
but a lot of allergies that people have when they're younger tend to disappear over time because
for whatever reason, your immune system develops a tolerance over time.
Also, your immune system function changes in relationship to things like stress, hormones.
One of the really interesting things I learned was that more boys have asthma than girls, but adults, females have asthma at higher rates than males.
And the reason is that testosterone is protective because it dampens down the immune response. So
testosterone kind of turns the dial down on the immune system, which is exactly why more men were prone to dying in response to COVID.
And that's also why you might have heard that sometimes when women get pregnant or go through
menopause, they'll develop new allergies that they haven't had before.
But the truth is, if you have an allergy, pretty much the best thing you can do is to
avoid as best you can, whatever it is you're allergic to, pretty much the best thing you can do is to avoid as best you can
whatever it is you're allergic to, because there's no cure typically for an allergy.
And so you just have to avoid it or live with it, right?
Yep. That's one of the worst parts about writing this book is that there's no happy ending.
Like I would love to say that we're so close to solving this problem, but you can't solve it
partially because you can't turn off the immune response. I mean, none of us want that because
then you might die of pneumonia. I mean, you can't, you have to modulate it. So there's no
cure that we know of. Like I said, you can learn to tolerate it. So
the treatments coming online now, that's what they're aiming to do is like, can you moderate
the immune response so that it turns it down a notch so that your immune system learns to
tolerate or you just shut off that part of your immune response that is reacting. And that is the
best we can do for now. So there really isn't a possibility for a cure that we know of.
Well, the one thing that seems to help with allergies is just getting older, right? I mean,
a lot of kids have allergies and those allergies as they age will disappear. Is it just the immune system just gets tired of it and just stops responding? system overall is not as robust as it used to be. So in a sense, it's kind of a double-edged sword,
right? You're living a better quality of life because maybe your allergies are a bit better
than they used to be when you were young, but also then you're more vulnerable to things like
the influenza virus or COVID. So it is tricky. It really is tricky. I understand that a lot of people claim to have
allergies to foods or whatever that aren't actually allergies. That if you want to know
if you really have an allergy, you really need to see an allergist. But a lot of the things that
people say are allergies are maybe sensitivities, but they're not allergic reactions.
Especially with food allergies. I just like to underline that. It's really hard to tell because
so many things have the same symptoms. So if you're getting stomach upset, it could be an
intolerance, right? You could be lactose intolerant or you could have a milk allergy. And if it's not a severe response, then it's going to look similar. And the only way to tell is to go and have the testing done and to go and see a food allergist and do the golden test is the double blind food challenge. But even something as simple as a respiratory allergy, you could have something else going on. And it's always a good idea to, if you can, to get a
referral to an allergist. Because also, and this is a fun fact that I think will surprise a lot of
people, is that your GP in medical school, they don't really get allergy training. They get about two weeks.
So most GPs actually are not really the right people to diagnose allergies because yes,
while they may see it a lot, they're not exactly trained in the same way and they definitely don't
get the same level of training. So even if you get a test at a GP,
you should always try to see an allergist if you can.
Well, here's the thing.
If every spring when the flowers come out,
you start sneezing and your eyes get watery
and you don't have a cold, what else could it be?
It's probably allergies.
Yeah.
You could have, I mean, you could have a sinus infection you don't know about, a persistent one.
That comes on every year in May.
Well, exactly.
Exactly.
You can put the pieces together yourself, which is what most of us do.
Very few people with hay fever go to see an allergist.
I get it because why? And also, it's really hard to tell what you're allergic to. And even if you know, like, so say you do
go to an allergist and you get the panel done and they say, oh, you're allergic to grasses
and mold. Well, what are you supposed to do? Right, exactly.
Yeah, it's going to be the same.
And they're probably just going to tell you to take a daily antihistamine during the season.
I could have told you that.
Right, exactly.
And so I get it.
I get why people wouldn't want to go. But for those people who are having serious responses, but some of the people I talk to,
they can't sleep at night.
They're so congested that it really affects their quality of life.
For those people, it's really important to go to a specialist because you can get stronger antihistamines that are not available over the counter. So when I think of allergies, I think of, you know, food allergies like peanuts and shellfish and respiratory allergies, hay fever, pollen, that kind of thing.
What else are people allergic to? Okay, so pollen, dust mites, mold, different chemicals, milk, egg, wheat, corn, soy. I mean, those are the shellfish. Those are the
main ones. Peanuts, obviously, tree nuts is huge. Those are the main ones, I would say.
And then though, if we kept going, I can't even list them because there are people who will have allergies to really random things.
I mean, you know, during the course of researching this book, I mean, it's not unheard of.
Occasionally you'll get someone who's allergic to cold and it's real or allergic to sun. Is there anything good?
Is there anything good about allergies or is it just all it's just a nuisance and it's horrible?
Is there any silver lining?
If you are allergic, you might have a slightly lower chance of developing certain cancers,
specifically certain types of skin cancers.
And the reason is, is that your immune system is actually really strong and healthy and is constantly on the lookout. So it's possible
that an allergic person's immune system is spotting those rogue cells earlier and doing something
about them faster than a non-allergic person. So that's a little silver lining in an otherwise big cloud.
Well, it's such a weird thing, allergies.
I mean, it's not a sickness, it's not an illness,
but it sure is a pain in a lot of ways to deal with.
And I appreciate you coming on and explaining it.
I've been speaking with Teresa McPhail.
She is a medical anthropologist,
associate professor of science and technology,
and author of the book, Allergic,
Our Irritated Bodies in a Changing World.
And there's a link to that book in the show notes.
Appreciate it. Thanks, Teresa.
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