Somewhere in the Skies - 2018 UFO Year in Review

Episode Date: December 17, 2018

On episode 87 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, Ryan is joined by a group of journalists for the 2018 UFO Year in Review. The group includes the founders and content creators of Rogue Planet, Jason McClellan and Maureen Elsberry. Rounding out the group is Mike Damante, contributing writer for the Houston Chronicle and creator of Punk Rock and UFOs.  The group discusses three stunning sighting reports that all involved pilot witnesses and all included official FAA audio documentation. They also give their reviews of the recent documentary, Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers. The conversation then veers into alien territory with some amazing discoveries this past year in the astronomical and astrobiological fields. And the year wouldn't be complete without a hefty amount of To the Stars Academy conversation. So sit back, pop open the champagne, and let's ring in the new year with a look back at UFOs in 2018! To learn more about Jason and Maureen, visit: www.rogueplanet.tv To learn more about Mike, visit: www.punkrockandufos.com For the month of December, 50% of book sales, merchandise sales, and Patreon subscriptions will be donated to The Women's Refugee Commission. Please consider supporting the show and helping this wonderful organization. Learn more, CLICK HERE Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Order Ryan's Book by CLICKING HERE Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Opening and Closing Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is produced by Third Kind Productions, in association with eOne Entertainment SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is sponsored by HelloFresh. To receive 50% off your first order, use promo code: SOMEWHERE50 at checkout by visiting www.HelloFresh.ca Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today on the show, I have my dream team of UFO journalists, Jason McClellan, Maureen Ellsbury, and Mike DeMonte. This is the 2018 UFO Year in Review. This is Somewhere in the Skies with Ryan Sprague. Welcome to the official Somewhere in the Skies, 2018 UFO Year in Review. I'm your host, Ryan Sprague, and I have an awesome lineup of guests today featuring Rogue Planet's very own Jason McClellan and Maureen Elspare. and our resident punk rock uphologist Mike DeMonte. Thank you all of you for joining me today. Thank you for having us, and I'm jealous of Mike's title.

I want to be the punk rock euphologist. That's rad. I mean, I think Jason was first at that, right? That is a good point. I may be selling you a little short there, Jason. No, but I, I give that the ska. There we go. The U.S. scologist.

There you go. That might have been more fitting. But yeah, no, I'm happy. I would share that title with you. We should start our own sub-branch, our own sub-culture of UFOs with punk rock. Only if we get tag-team titles. Yes. We can do that.

I'll be the 90s alt-rock eophologist. Maureen, what does that make you? I'm going to cover like a 70s punk rock. Ooh. Or like, you know, the Dead Boys and Richard Hell and Levoido, it's that area. Or classic rock. I love it. Can't go wrong with the classics.

Absolutely not. Digging deep there. That's awesome. Well, guys, I mean, it's been a year, a crazy year for UFOs. A crazy year for everything. But before we even get into all that, I'd love to know what y'all have been up to. Mike, I mean, I know you came out with a book. Let's talk about that.

Let's talk about that first. Mike, what have you been up to in 2018? Park Rock and UFOs, True Believers came out. I continue doing kind of podcast, radio, some TV. some opportunities have kind of popped up but who knows it's you know it's the interesting thing is you know sometimes when you start writing and you know you're blogging line you're writing the book you just kind of dive deep into it and then once you know you're the finished project out you're able to like breathe for a little bit so like right now I've like been breathing a little bit because

it's like there's there's so much stuff that's happened this year in neophology which we'll cover today it just compared to last year I feel like there has been many uh many opportunities to kind of step back. It's been, there's been so much news. Right. And I mean, right before the new year last year is when the, you know, the big stories broke, you know, to the stars and New York Times articles. So, you know, that was a great way to sort of ring in the new year. But then since then, we've had a lot of follow-up with a lot of that, which we will get to. But, um, Maureen, Jason, I saw you guys, what, a week ago here in Los Angeles or so. So, I mean, I know what you kind of been up to, but what's new with you guys?

Go ahead, Maureen. Okay, for me. I've been kind of in the back burner here for a while because my whole life has been taken up with work lately, super fun and a lot of traveling. Doing some side projects related to UFOs, done a little speaking this year. We had some good panels at Denver Comic-Con, Jason and I for our fourth year. And Jeremy Corbell actually was on one of our panels as well. And writing a book that will probably take me 10 years to finish. So we all know that feeling. We're all there. Yep. How about you, Jason? Yeah, yeah. I've got got a few books that are going to take me a couple, couple 10 years times two to write. So we'll see where that goes. But hopefully we'll have a book announcement in the coming months that might involve some of the

people on this show today. Yeah, speaking at conventions, just spoke with you, Ryan, at Alien Con, the great Alien Con in Baltimore. That was a lot of fun. And, you know, that's just where I have my greatest joy related to UFOs and other associated topics, because, like I say, with all my work, I focus on the general public, not necessarily the UFO community, not the UFO research community. My goal is to reach the general public, share the information that I have and encourage people

to get excited about the topic and do their own research. So events like Comic-Con are the perfect venue for that. So I had a great opportunity to do a lot of that this year, and there's more of that coming in the next year. So looking forward to that. 2018 has been a year full of just regular life stuff. So really busy year with that. It's been a slow year for me in terms of my UFO passions.

So we'll see if I could fix that in 2019. Yeah. And I mean, one of my favorite moments from AlienCon Jason was when like a, God, like a 12 year, 13 year old boy came up to you and asked to take a picture with you because he followed your work. I will never forget that, man. That shows like the younger people are interested in this topic. And, you know, if it's going to come from AlienCon, so be it. Sort of the first thing I want to, that's really fresh in all of our minds and probably the listeners as well is this recent release of the documentary by Jeremy Corbell. Bob Lazar, Area 51 in Flying Saucers.

Well, I am telling the truth. I've tried to prove that. What's going on up there could be the most important event in history. You're talking about contact, physical. physical contact and proof from another system, another planet, another intelligence. That's got to be the biggest event in history, period. And it's real. And it's real and it's there. Jason, Maureen, and I were able to see the world premiere of this here in Los Angeles.

Mike, I know you saw it maybe a couple days before us to review for punk rock and UFOs. So before we get into the other things that have happened this year, I want to know what your guy's reaction and girls' reactions were to the movie. So let's start with, Mike, you saw the film before us. What did you think of it? I really enjoyed it.

The only criticism I have about Jeremy's films are the certain narrative style he shoots it in, which kind of make them like, kind of like everyone feels like a similar formula. But this is by far my favorite film he's done. I think it did a really good job of telling Bob Lazar story. And, I mean, a lot of it's in defense of Bob Lazar. There's not, you know, too much opposition to him. But it does really paint a good picture of the whole story of where he's at right now and from the beginning.

It was entertaining as well. It was fascinating. I think it's something that you can show anyone. And the fact that it's getting all this positive press and Jeremy's flying all over the country doing press for it and people writing articles about it. I think it's definitely just the idea of doing a film on him was a home run. And everyone who really seems to enjoy it. I really enjoyed it too. I thought it was great.

Awesome. Yeah, I mean, it's really tapping into a lot of the mainstream right now. I've seen Jeremy all over the place, New York, L.A., doing all these, like, really fresh sort of vice-like interviews. So it's definitely getting out to the younger people. Maureen, Jason, I know you guys witnessed this, too. So many, like, younger people came to this world premiere of a UFO documentary, which really blew me away. I don't know about you guys. What did you guys make of the film?

We didn't really have a lot of time after to talk. Everyone had to go their separate ways. So I'd love to hear what she all thought of this movie. I actually saw it early as well. So the premiere was my second time seeing it. And I like the film. I think what I told Jeremy, too, was that I think he did a really good job of presenting the story, especially to the general public.

People who don't know a lot about the story will be like, holy moly, you know, what was going on with this? There are a few tidbits that are new in the film for people who are super familiar with the story and everything that happened over the last 30 years. And so those are fun bits to see. Again, we're quite close with Jeremy and so we knew some of the, I don't want to give any spoilers out for people who haven't watched the film. So some of the things we were aware of that it happened that are supposed to be these big groundbreaking things. So again, it's more entertainment style that you don't normally see in UFO documentaries, more fast-paced. And I think that's the kind of style that draws younger people as well because the music, the soundtrack, the visuals, that's what's going to get all these younger people interested in what the actual material and subject matter is behind it. So, you know, obviously it's an extremely polarizing case.

and while you didn't see so much of the opposition side of the people who think he's lying and full of shit, there's enough to kind of give you both sides of the story, I think. Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. I think Jeremy could have went a little further with the other side of it, but he did push Bob several times, which I definitely appreciated. A lot of people have, you know, sort of blamed Gorbell for being very, not apologetic, but very pro-belief when it comes to his films in these things. So I'm glad he went there with this. I think this is, like Mike said, his strongest film yet. And agreed with you on several points too, Maureen.

There weren't any huge bombshells that left me feeling differently. I felt the same as I felt before the film leaving it. But what did you think, Jason? Well, I certainly had fun with it. And I think that this is more a film for the UFO crowd. I think if you are familiar with the Luzar story and you're a UFO quote-unquote fan, it's a fun movie. Because right, here's the story about a guy that we've all known about and read about for years. And we're seeing him presented in a humanizing way, certainly fun at the premiere, saying Bob in person.

Question for Bob. How close to duplicating the alien propulsion system? did you achieve? Oh, we didn't. That's just about it. I mean, we couldn't even duplicate the material that, I mean, even the casing material, we didn't really even understand what was going on.

It's one of those things where we can see what's happening and be proficient at using it, but there wasn't a single thing we could duplicate at all. At least at the time when I was there, I was there, I have no idea where they are at this point. Did you have any breakthroughs when you were working at S-4 on alien spacecraft, Bob? Did you have breakthroughs? Well, any time you were able to decipher something, it was a breakthrough.

I mean, when we determined the fuel was a super heavy element, that was a breakthrough. When we finally figured out how the reactor and the amplifier work together, that was a breakthrough. When we finally figured out how to shut the reactor off, that was a breakthrough. But I mean, every single thing was amazing to us. It's like, you know, having a couple little children playing with advanced materials. It's just all, you know, it's pretty much all luck. Some of us have seen Bob before. So not that new and cool, but it's still awesome. I mean, let's face it, whatever side you're on with this story, it's still like a huge thing in the UFO world. So being able to see Bob there in person, see Bob's story on the big screen and, you know, dig a little deeper into it.

That's awesome. So I enjoyed it for that. I still am left with tons of questions. And, you know, contrary to the claims that Jeremy's made many times and certainly made at the premiere, this film does not answer all the questions. It doesn't prove, you know, all the counterclaim or claims that people made. in opposition to Lazar's story. And some of the things presented in defense of Bob were things that George Knapp came forward with many, many years ago.

So, you know, there are still questions to be asked. And we will be, Rogue Planet will certainly be doing a video interview with Jeremy in the coming weeks or months. And we will push on some of those things that are left unanswered. But overall, I had fun with the film, and I'm going to be controversial here and push against you guys and say this was not my favorite Jeremy film. I'm going to say my favorite film of his is Alien Scalpel, the one about the work of Roger Lear, simply because Jeremy's past two films have relied heavily on the work of George Knapp and have featured footage and interviews and things that George Knapp has worked on over the years in his career. Whereas with the Roger Lear story, that was Jeremy doing an investigative piece and actually doing scientific research funded out of his pocket to further a story that had existed and really profiled the work of Roger Lear and the subtopic of alleged alien implants. So for me, that was Jeremy's best work to date. I enjoyed the visuals of the Lizarre film.

I enjoyed the topic of the Lazare film. And like I said, as a UFO guy, I thought it was fun. Yeah, Jeremy has hinted that a nanoman who is featured heavily in the alien scalpel film will have his day, he said. So I think we can expect a lot more on the testing front. Yeah, that's awesome. I do agree when Jeremy focuses his lens on individuals without archival footage, I think that is when we get the best. stuff out of them, Jason. So now I'm going to retract my statement and I'm going to go with you, man. I really did enjoy patient 17. Is that what it was officially called, I think? I think that's what I was called. Yeah. That is a really good point. It was investigative filmmaking at its, at its finest, you know, from beginning to end. And I think now, you know, Jeremy doesn't have much more to rely on in terms of NAP's investigative work as his mentor. And I certainly respect him for doing something like that, bringing these cases. his delight again. But I look forward to see what he decides to do next after he rests after

these two films have come out in the past two months with him. So we'll give him a little break before we start pushing him. But the real debate is yet to come on Bob Lazar, I think. Now that the film is out there to the mainstream for good and bad, the real debate is just beginning. So I'm sure we'll see a lot more of that. And like you mentioned on your recent episode, Ryan, with John Greenwald, I think the biggest plus of this whole thing is that Bob Lazar is in the news again. Bob Lazar, the story, you know, even in UFO circles, had largely kind of fizzled out. It was gone from the topic of conversation. But here it is, you know, again, in media, major media outlets, kids are watching this movie.

It's been the number one movie on iTunes. So new people are discovering the story of Bob Lazar. And again, regardless of what side of that debate you're on, pro or con with Lazar, it's still an important piece of UFO history. It's a story that we should be aware about. It's something that we should research. It's something that we should form opinions about. And we've got a new generation, a fresh crop of people who are discovering Bob Lazar and the Area 51 story as told by Lazar. for the first time. I love it. Yeah. And I mean, my girlfriend who thought Bob Lazar was a total

con man, a fraud before she left the film saying, I actually, I believe that something happened to him, and I don't think he's lying. So right there, that was enough for me, having someone that close to me who is a true skeptic through and through say, wow, that actually, I believe something happened. That was enough for me to leave being like, okay, conversation's starting now. But I want to move the conversation, guys, to some sightings that happened this year that were pretty interesting. And a lot of these, I have to add, came from Tyler Rogaway, who, Jason, I know you interviewed Tyler, am I correct? Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So this guy works for a website called the War Zone, and he's bringing these military UFO cases to light that a lot of us didn't really know about,

and ones that it's sort of been circulating in, you know, military outlets. rather than the mainstream and whatnot. So before we get to sort of the ones he was looking at, we had this Ireland sighting on November 9th, where multiple pilots saw these speeding bright lights. This was later confirmed by two pilots. You can hear the actual audio from this. Any military traffic you got right now?

Okay, sir, there's nothing showing on either primary or secondary. Okay, it was moving so fast. inspect you ten they will under sea but yes thank you here alongside you here to come up on our left end side and rapidly wait to the north uh being so bright light and then it's just this here at a very high speed and see a bit just wondering you didn't think it was a likely collision course but is wondering what that

could it be it's there to be multiple objects following the same sort of the trajectory so very bright where we were okay that's copy down there is there a direction it was going in or anything Roger that's coffee thank you The pilot said it was moving fast. It seemed to come up over the left-hand side of their planes, rapidly veered to the north, and disappeared at a very high speed. This one really made the rounds really quick, and I think, again, it's because pilots reported this, and it's still being investigated, apparently. So a lot of people believe it could be meteorites, but that's yet to be decided. So do any of you guys have any other knowledge on this case? Any follow-ups? Well, unfortunately, yeah, as far as I know, there has been no follow-up, and that's the frustrating thing with UFO research.

And even when there's a great story that hits mainstream media outlets around the world and seems to be all the rage at the time, it's likely all you're going to ever hear about that particular case, because there is no follow-up. There is no additional information that comes out. The reporters who report it usually report the... initial instance, but they don't do the follow-up. And that's where Tyler Rogaway, who you mentioned, is a true remarkable journalist through and through because he does the legwork. He does contact everybody he can think of from military and government to airports to pilots and tries to get

the full story and continues to follow up until he can get a follow-up story or some more answers to further develop that story or add to that story. With Ireland, I haven't seen any of that, but I did see, you know, you certainly get a lot of this too, where you have some scientists who like to chime in and without even bothering to read the initial reports form an opinion about what the UFO was. And in this case, we saw a lot of that because even one of the pilots suggested that it might be a meteor or another object making some kind of reentry. However, one of the pilots described the object as climbing away at an incredible speed. You know, things, meteors or things entering the atmosphere, don't climb. Yeah, I know. These audio, and what's really interesting is getting back to Roguelay, he, like you said, Jason, he puts the legwork in.

And I have to read this quote by him that I found in an article because a lot of people think that a lot of people, the aviation field or aerospace may not be interested in UFOs. And as a journalist directly speaking to these people, Roguelay says, I'll tell you, anyone that is in the aerospace world and journalism and tell you that they have no interest in the legacy of UFOs and the whole history that goes along with it is lying to you. It is an interesting thing, even for the sake of lore and intrigue. So I have followed it very closely. I think that's really, that's very telling that, you know, are interested in these things. Aviation people are interested

in these things, and he's the one bringing that legitimacy to these cases. We have the one in Arizona in February. Again, two pilots saw a flying saucer, passed over their planes, and there's audio of this one as well.

There are 7-1 Papa Golf, go ahead. There's 7-1 Papa Golf negative? We have audio testimony of these things happening, which I think is really interesting. And didn't we also have a California Oregon case earlier this year? It was Oregon, Washington kind of area. Yeah, Portland. Right. Your neck of the woods, Maureen, right? Yeah. So that was the, when they were intercepted, they were trying to scramble.

Yeah, the F-15s. They tried to scramble F-15s. And, I mean, they did. They had multiple commercial aircraft in the sky. And this, we're talking about something that happened in 2017 now. This was in October of 2017, but similar situation where ground crew was working with commercial aircraft in the sky to try to figure out what this thing was because commercial aircraft were spotting this UFO flying over Portland. These planes were seeing it, but the ground people, they had it on radar momentarily but didn't have it. Fighter jets were scrambled.

Fighter jets got up there. They couldn't find the thing. And again, thanks to Tyler Rogge. I mean, all of this stuff is available on FAA. recording so you can listen to the entire sort of chaotic moments on this recording and hear the conversations they're having trying to figure out

what this object is, trying to figure out if they should scramble fighters, trying to figure out what the procedure is when this stuff happens. Oakland 31. AFRAC number 155-0LEMS level 4-3 is the wrong way. That's for a date. Do you know that target south of the boundary there?

That 0-027 code moving very fast 37,000? Oh, look at that thing. Yeah, that's crazy. Huh. And you don't have anything on him? I got nothing. Well, well, look.

Now the WestJose 1698 is about, he is at 370, and that dude is, oh, 150 miles to the north of him. Okay, I see him up there. That's crazy. That's fascinating. Yeah, all right, I'll report that. Thanks, thank you. Okay.

Oakland, 31 or 36. This is sector 36. We had a target come through our airspace going really fast. At level 370 earlier, an intruder, Mozi intruder, going southbound. And then now, apparently, the Southwest 4712 sees an aircraft off his right side, about its 1 o'clock and 10 miles, going northbound at 370. We don't have anything on radar anymore or anything like that. Okay.

Yeah, I tell my primaries on. I don't... And we don't see any primaries or anything either. I will... Okay. Just to let you know, and our supervisors are calling all the appropriate people, so... And does he have any idea what kind of crap it is? No, I've asked them, and he doesn't.

He said it's about his one to two o'clock and ten miles off his right side now, so... Okay, thanks. They have no idea what's going on, and that's really freaky. They don't know what to do, and a similar thing happened in Arizona. Like, yeah, they knew that they had this unidentified craft, but they couldn't find it. They couldn't figure out what it was. One thing I want to add to that is, you know, just reading the articles, you know, every time a pilot or somebody with aviation experience has a siding, the stories tend to win more credibility just because of their experience.

So those stories, you know, like once again, that's easier. for those getting the mainstreams, you know, as opposed to like the average Joe seeing one. So, you know, reading the articles, you know, they obviously have to have quotes from the witnesses, the piles themselves, and any good article needs to have both sides. And, you know, usually, you said they'll interview a scientist, but usually, you know, the problem with it being a one and done story without a follow-up is the scientist is just basically giving just an opinion. And a lot of things I read on the recent stories were, oh, it's probably a meteorite or it's

probably this. But there's no really investigation. And then it's dropped. And, you know, a lot of the websites are doing these cute little subheads or is it a weather balloon? Like, you know, they're bringing those same old jokes out again. So the fact that, like I said, that it's being reported by, you know, these people with aviation experience, I think that's a good thing because it's, you know, these stories are creeping more into the mainstream just because of, you know, their credentials. And I will say that the reason that I highly recommend and do pay attention to the work that Tyler Rogel way does on these stories is he brings a unique perspective. He specializes in military aviation.

So he looks at this from a curiosity standpoint, you know, being very, he's a well-read individual, very, very much knowledgeable about technology and craft that the military has in development and follows these things closely. So when he hears about something that doesn't fit anything that he's following at all. He hones on that and wants to use every resource available to try to find more information about it

to possibly say, oh yeah, that could be this secret thing we've been hinted that he is working on. And those answers and those things don't align. Then he gets really excited and tries to follow up. And I just really love his work.

He has connections and resources that a lot of us don't have in sort of the outside journalism world. So I really look forward to more stuff to come from him. I know, at least for me, he's going to be my UFO researcher of the year. That's for damn sure. But moving a little away from UFOs, guys, and to the possibility of alien life,

we had some really, like, groundbreaking stuff happened this past year. Late 2017, early 2018. And for the first time in history, scientists have to take. the first interstellar object ever observed. Now, this is amazing, in my opinion. We're talking about Omuamua. Avi Love, chair of the Harvard University Astronomy Department, said Omuamua did not behave like an ordinary asteroid

or give off gas like a comet. There seemed to be an extra force that is pushing it, and it's not clear what this push is from. In an upcoming paper, he and a colleague offer what they call a more exotic scenario. Omuamua may be a fully operational probe sent intentionally to Earth vicinity by an alien civilization. This thing kind of made a comeback when Harvard scientists wrote a paper about it, claiming that it could be aliens.

Now, I know that's a very hypothetical thing, and of course every news outlet grapples onto that one little quote that they say. But very fascinating, this huge elongated object that came into our solar system, hung out for a little bit and made some really odd maneuvers and took off. We'll probably never see it again, but who knows? But what do you guys make of the whole Oumuwa incident? Where do you all stand on this thing? Is it an alien probe?

It's hard to say, I mean, because, you know, there are, there's some research to suggest that the kind of movement it had could be similar to resulting from gases from a comet. but could it be an alien probe? Well, we can't really say it couldn't be because we can't see it anymore and we didn't get a good enough look at it. So maybe, but I think it's more fascinating, you know, that this is the first object

we've spotted from interstellar space and that they believe that there's at least four other objects that could be of interstellar origin currently bouncing around that, you know, could be hiding amongst, all the other space debris and I don't know. It's kind of fascinating. Are there just a bunch of like creepy alien drones hanging out in our solar system?

It's not that far-fetched. I mean, we send probes to other planets, granted within our own solar system, but just look at Star Trek. I mean, yes, it's science fiction, but is it really that far-fetched to think that we could advance to that in the relatively near future? Sure. I don't think so. I mean, we just had, we just had one of our objects go interstellar, right? So, yeah, I mean, you make a great point, Ryan. I mean, extraterrestrials aside, this is huge news, extremely exciting. I mean, big time stuff is happening in space all the time now, and we do live in science fiction times, and it's super exciting. So removing the alien possibility, it's exciting on its own. But, yeah, I think responsible journalists and responsible scientists, certainly, take note of this and see the unusual behaviors and certainly considering all of the unknowns that exist with this thing, you can't rule out the possibility that this is something, you know, that

has an extraterrestrial, an intelligent extraterrestrial component to it. That doesn't mean we're saying that it is, but being a responsible scientist and not having all the answers, you do need to keep an open mind and you do have to weigh all the possibilities, and that's certainly a possibility. Coming from a media standpoint, you know, it's interesting how Ryan, you made that joke, you know, they're playing in the headlines, you know, the alien aspect of it. And I don't know if that's just

kind of more a telling sign of how the media is more clickbaiting nowadays or just the fact that they're more open to running headlines like that in general. That's what they pull from that, the fact that NASA scientists are saying it could be aliens. So

either way you look at it, I think, you know, you have this, you know, that potentially trying to sensationalize a little bit by running that in the headline. But also, that's kind of the news, too, because, you know, maybe 20 years ago, NASA scientists wouldn't have been so open to even state that claim. So I think it's fascinating how it's been played up. Well, and what's even more exciting, too, is because of this object, they're building another telescope in Chile. Once it's completed, they're going to use it to search for similar objects. Like you said, Maureen, there are possibly other objects out there like this. So now it's pushing scientists to fund

these telescopes to look for more of them. And you can't ask for more than that. And you can't ask for more than all of these scientists writing new papers arguing comet, asteroid, something other than that. It just keeps going and going. And the fact that we don't have a clear answer yet of what this thing was, that's actually exciting than getting an answer, I think. That unknown is what keeps us going. And I think that's pretty cool. Agreed 100%. Yes. Yeah. And Jason, thanks for reminding me that Voyager 1 finally entered intercellar space this year. Totally forgot about that somehow, but that's kind of fascinating to think, fascinating to think about too, because on the other end, let's say there are intelligent planets out

there and now they're possibly being exposed to some. Their headlines are the same. Weird stuff from the 70s, yeah. That's a good point. And, you know, we just landed on Mars again. It's just, it's so cool, guys. I think we're on the. cusp of some really interesting scientific developments in terms of alien life.

And China is getting ready to land on the dark side of the moon. Boom. All those conspiracies will now be solved. I love it. Well, here's another one, too, guys. Silvano P. Columbano of NASA's Intelligence Systems Division recently wrote a research paper about extraterrestrials. And he wants to keep people informed that, you know, aliens, they may look different than

what we expect and may be able to travel huge distances. That's the biggest argument whenever any of us get asked, you know, how could aliens travel all this time and space? There's no way they could ever get here. This guy's being like, you know, chill out, guys. We have no idea what they're capable of, what their makeup is. We always go by what humans can do, what our limitations are. So I thought this was really cool that another NASA scientist is putting himself out there

and saying this. The headline is Tiny Aliens, Mike, again we have aliens. Tiny aliens may have visited us and we just didn't know. That's pretty cool. It's super cool. This was fantastic to read. And again, I applaud this guy because this is a responsible scientist in my opinion. He's keeping his mind open and exploring all possibilities.

And when we're dealing with something as strange and unknown as extraterrestrial life, yes, we have life as we know it as our baseline. and what we're working on, we're working from, but in the end, we really don't know. I mean, the possibilities are endless. So we have to understand what we're working with, with our tool set, but also understand it could be so much bigger than that. So I love that from that standpoint, but this spawned so many ridiculous headlines, you know,

as all of these stories do, because NASA scientists says aliens, have already been here and all this stuff. And I love that he's many times over said, look, all I was saying is we need to consider the possibilities. I'm not saying they've been here. They may have been here. I'm not saying they've been here.

All right, guys. We're going to move on to probably the bulk of our conversation here, something we are all familiar with. The date of recording this is Thursday, December 13th. And it is Mr. Tom DeLong's birthday. So happy birthday. Tom DeLong. Happy birthday, Tom.

I saw the past interview with Tom DeLong featuring Maureen and Jason making the rounds today. So that was really cool to see all of this stuff pre to the Stars Academy. Well, Tom, I've been excited to talk to you about UFOs. You've always been vocal about your interest in the subject. And, you know, it's interesting. I don't think a lot of people understand that you've researched a subject for more than 20 years.

Yeah. And that's a lot of it. lot more, it's a longer time period than a lot of the leading researchers in the field right now. A lot of researchers tend to dive into one area of it. That's pretty hardcore. You know, hey, I'm going to write a book about Roswell. Or someone else comes in and says, I'm going to write a book just about, you know, majestic 12 documents, you know, and I've, I'm the kind of guy that, you know, I'm pretty broad about all the subjects. I've gone deep on a lot of them. But I've kind of surpassed the icing on the cake and now I'm kind of digging down into, you know, the main ingredients.

of the cake, you know? But what initially sparked your interest in the subject? One of my first memories is being in seventh grade where I was walking, I had like an hour in junior high. It was like the first, you know, school kind of system in junior high level where you get to walk between classes, so you have a few minutes. I, for some reason, had more than a few minutes, so I had to go to the library. And I was walking to his library, and I didn't read books at all.

Then, you know, in school, I was like, books. Who wants to read books? You know, I'm in skateboarding and stuff. So I'm like, well, if I have to read a book right now, I wonder if there's like any weird like UFO books. And I don't even know why that came to my attention. It was so odd because that's, and all I found was a book that had something about one UFO in the Lochness monster.

But either way, it was cool. And it was in my school library. And from that moment forward, it really sparked my interest. But it kind of, there was a gap there until I was able to actually afford to buy a computer. So computers were really happening when I was 20, 21. That's like the beginning of the 90s. Like, bam, things are happening with computers. So I signed a record contract and got my first paycheck.

And the very first thing I did was I went out and bought this shitty like compact computer or something. And I brought it home, signed on. And I think I just typed in like UFOs or something or Area 51. I don't even know. There's the common term. But now we are in the thick of it, guys. It's been over a year since this thing took shape and since the New York Times story broke. And we've had some interesting and not so interesting.

development. Probably the biggest one is the Adam Research Project, the acquisition and data analysis of materials, very controversial project going on over to the stars. But where do we stand now, guys? You know, it's been almost a year. They wanted to raise around $50 million for this project. Don't think they quite made it to that, but it's been a heated debate within the UFO community for about a year now. So let's lay it all out there, guys. Where do you stand? stand now and what can we expect from to the stars in the future. Mike, let's start with you. I think there's more optimism, I think, than last year. I think there's more stuff to look forward to this year. The fact that Secret Machines documentary is apparently finally coming out,

rumored movie deal. And in terms on the research side of it, I know it's going to be divisive either way, but I mean, they're slowly getting stuff done. They're getting to the ball rolling. And, you know, just from reading on all the Facebook message boards and, you know, there's always opposition with this topic. But they're actually getting people talking. And, you know, I think I said last year, if that's the worst thing that happened, I mean, if that's the biggest thing that happened last year was getting, you know, this mainstream press and getting people talking about the topic in a serious matter

and being more open-minded in terms of research, then great. But I think they're taking a step further. And a lot of the credibility questions that kind of hamper than previously, I think there's less of those. Yeah, I think there's less of those going forward. So I think 2019 is going to be an interesting year. And I just think people need to be patient. I think we said that last year too.

And these things take time. Even somebody with Tom's celebrity status to him, you know, these things take time. It's not like he could just, you know, write a check and boom, we have disclosure the next day. That's not how things work, especially with such a sensitive topic. So I think, you know, things are slowly rolling out. And obviously it's not rolling out fast enough for some people in the UFO community. but I mean, I don't, they're not doing it for them.

They're doing it, you know, for everyone. So I think, you know, people continue to be, need to be patient and just see where it goes. You know, like I said, you know, people are obviously going to jump at, you know, the fiction stuff that to the stars is interested in doing. You know, some first thing people jump at and kind of poke at and say, is this where my investment money is going. No, I mean, obviously not. I mean, it's common sense. There's production companies that are backing this, you know, those projects. But yeah, obviously that's the first thing that people will go to to kind of detract from it.

But at the same time, you know, we have the Adams Project. We have material that's apparently, you know, as, you know, passed through Earth Earth Tech International, which isn't too far from me in Texas. So, you know, they're doing things. So I think people should continue to be patient and see where it goes from there. We have multiple samples now from multiple sources, ranging a wide variety of, of, of, in Texas. even if the material goes nowhere. People are beginning to provide us things. I want to make sure that I have a healthy dose of skepticism

to make sure I'm not blindly accepting something because it's cool or neat or new or something like that. But the data supports the decisions that we make, the dots that we connect, the moves that we make. But I see a diligence being applied to this. It gives me optimism. We stand a chance of being able to make some real progress. is here. We have to do this the right way, and the right way isn't necessarily the right now way.

You know, we may just be at the beginning of the headwaters. Maybe we're just in a stream right now, and we're just at the very beginning, and it's just a small creek. But I think eventually that waterfall will come. Maureen, what do you think about all this? Personally, for me, I think that there are good and obviously, like Mike said, it's been very divisive and bad things that are coming out of this, and it is creating this incredible amount of impatience with people, I think the better way to go about this is to have zero expectations. And then when they're able to release whatever they can, when they can, you know, we might find out that all the testing they're doing through this Adam project ends up being

nothing interesting or has an explanation. Or it may be something that, you know, piques people's interest. and if we finally get any results or are trickled information about this, it's probably likely something that would require more testing and more testing because I guarantee you they're not going to come, let's say they test a piece of metal that they believe to be of extraterrestrial origin. And it comes back an anomaly saying this is not, as some people have said, manufactured on Earth.

This is from somewhere else. it is not naturally occurring. Here you are. Make of what you will. I guarantee you not everyone's going to be like, oh, that's disclosure. Aliens exist, problem solved. That's not going to be the way it works.

So, yes, there's a lot of different facets of what's happening with Two the Stars. There's a lot of entertainment aspects. But again, like Mike said, the big thing is getting a lot of positive press and getting a lot more people to take this subject a little more serious. seriously and realize that the government is involved in this and there's other things going on behind the scenes that we're not aware of. This is a big picture and I believe it'll continue to be so. One thing I want to add, I think Jason could kind of pile onto this too.

Jason could attest to this. I think previously, Jason, you know, your time is, you know, we're to the stars and they're starting out. And I've interviewed Tom and met him before as well. So we can kind of talk about this. but Tom is best when he's not fully in charge. He does his best work when he's collaborating, but he's not left to his own devices.

And I'm not just talking about musically, I'm just talking about in general. And having something so controlled like this, I think it's a good thing because he's not rushing to get some out. Everything is taking its time. This is the first time in his career in a long, long time that we've actually seen something like this, where he's doing the due diligence,

and things are coming out organically. you know and it's and he's taking his time and i think you know having these these control mechanisms above him is only going to make for better quality in terms of the documentaries the the fiction feature films and uh the research in general so i think this is a good thing that you know things are kind of taking time and uh one thing i want to add to what marine said um you know you say like say if they if something comes back that they discover and what if it's not you know if they said, oh, this is just a piece of metal, you know to the stars is going to get

just ripped up by its detractors. So it's going to be really interesting to see you know how much leeway they get in terms of the reaction from the public. I wrote a little song to remind you, Choice Hotels, get you more of the experiences you value. The Cambria Hotels got it all.

A rooftop ball, have a ball. Bring a date, your squad, or even your mom. Book direct at choiceotels.com. I wonder if that's the case if they just kind of avoid it for years at a time until everyone forgets about it and never announce anything at all, just so they don't face that public backlash. But yeah, I mean, that's what you said, Mike, too, about how slow things have been. Jason and I first started talking to Tom about To the Stars back in 2014 when we started working for him at the initial launch of

to the stars media. And he had plans to expand this into something bigger, but at that time, he didn't really know what yet. So it's very interesting to see how it started off with like raunchy paranormal news that we were writing and has become just this huge franchise of media and now more serious scientific research. So what's next? I'm excited to see at least, but I am going in with again zero expectations. So I see a lot of parallels with To the Stars and Open Minds. Open Minds was a company that Maureen and I helped start, that was a UFO media organization that was the only type of company like it at the time,

which is what To the Stars essentially is now. We had a wealthy individual who was interested in UFOs and had the ability to fund a company so he could feed his passion. And that's what Tom's doing. and for all the people who are grumbling because they don't approve of what Tom's doing or how he's doing it or what the company is doing, tough. You know, like Maureen said, she said it brilliantly. People need to manage their expectations. A lot of this frustration comes from people creating things in their head, wanting things to happen.

And, you know, that's just not realistic. They need to manage their expectations and understand, look, even if you're an investor into the Stars Academy of Arts and Science, nobody twisted your arm. You chose to do that. So that's on you and you need to manage your expectations. Even if To the Stars doesn't do anything ever, I applaud the effort, you know, the more people we have out there doing things, trying to do research, trying to come up with answers to this crazy unknown of UFOs, that's awesome. We need all the people doing all the things all the time. If they're successful, that's awesome. If not, eh, at least they tried. It doesn't affect me, and it shouldn't affect you. Again, if you chose to invest money, that's on you, and you understand that it's not really an investment.

You really crowdfunded this effort to do some awesome things. So anything they do, I think, is great. But people need to understand and remember that Two the Stars is primarily an entertainment company, and there is some awesome entertainment that's going to come out of it. But again, I view to the stars as something very similar to open minds, what me and Maureen did, as, you know, a guy very passionate about something and doing it with a company and somebody who has a lot of resources and access to do it on a much grander scale. And that's what we're seeing. I think that's amazing. Let's hope it doesn't go the way it turned out with open minds where he got bored because he hadn't solved the alien problem.

Right. Within a short period of time. Yeah. Well, Tom is self-proclaimed ADD. So that could happen, but fortunately, he has other people involved. So I don't think it will go that way. I think he chose these people. Kind of like when you have someone go to the gym with you, you need a gym buddy to keep you motivated.

So now that he has these pretty prominent people, a bit controversial, but still prominent people involved, they're going to keep. keep it going. And I think one of my biggest problems right now is we just heard that he sold a show to TBS, which is awesome. And everyone was just poo-pooing it. Like, oh, it's going to be an animated family guy-esque thing on the paranormal. Which is strange to me. I mean, TBS is an odd choice. I mean, they've got similar programming. But, I mean, Maureen and I are very familiar with this property. And, you know, this is something that should be on like premium cable or something where like nudity and profanity should be allowed. Like, TBS is not really going to fully encompass what strange times has to offer.

Right. I don't think they're really prepared for that. But what I want to say in terms of that, Jason, is who gives a shit what network gets on? The fact of the matter is he got a show sold, and that's going to bring in money to then fund the scientific research of to the stars. That's what people have to keep in mind. They're like, oh, all we're hearing about is the entertainment stuff, the fiction books, the nonfiction. The documentaries, yeah, no shit. How do you make money?

You provide entertainment. Sure. And again, that's them managing their expectations or creating something that they want to happen. But for me, I will see this. You ask how, you know, our thoughts had changed from the beginning of the year to the end of the year regarding Two the Stars. In my opinion of the company hasn't changed one bit. And perhaps that's because I'm intimately familiar with what Two the Stars is.

and a lot, if not all, of what this company has done, has been very public from the very beginning. So it's exactly what I expected. They delivered exactly what they've said they would. And it's just getting more and more exciting as time goes on. It can't happen. You know, every day, every week, every month, stuff takes time. But stuff has happened. It is happening.

And, you know, it's some pretty cool stuff, if I may say so. And people need to understand the entertainment aspect. That's the easy part. Exactly. UFOs are quote unquote cool right now. There's new shows popping up all the time. So you have Tom, who already has his built-in fan base,

he has all these franchises mapped out already. That if you're an executive, you know, for television or Hollywood, that's an easy sell. You know, this is the easy part. The hard part is getting more people, you know, in positions of power on board, more mainstream coverage, getting the research done.

That's the hard part. That's what takes time. Yes. And a lot of people, I've heard this term floating around the to the star syndrome, where now every TV network and their mother wants to do a paranormal or UFO show. I know everyone on this panel has been tapped countless times this year since the New York Times story broke, since To the Stars has been doing this stuff. So if anything, yes, to the Stars has made UFOs.

popular again, put them back into the mainstream. And that's exciting. And instead of getting jealous and like bashing everything they're doing, I think we just got to ride the wave, enjoy it for what we can, get what we can out of it for our own research, and just sort of wait and see what happens. Or if you're going to be a dick about it, don't pay attention to it. It doesn't have to affect you. Go and do your own thing. Don't worry about what other people are doing. Exactly.

You made a great point by saying the people who chose to invest, they chose to invest. That was their money. Exactly. I chose not to invest personally just because I did remain objective. I mean, if I'm going to be a journalist and talk about this stuff, I wanted to remain objective. I mean, I'm already biased because we worked for Two the Stars. I always throw that out there. But yeah, I chose not to invest because I want to remain objective and not tied to something financially. Not to mention that the investments weren't open in Arizona where you live during the time of launch. They are. They were later, but yeah, at the launch, not at all. I couldn't.

He didn't even have to be. Let's be honest. Yeah. I'm adjacent in terms of not vesting. I thought it would be kind of a conflict of interest since I cover this. And also, I've given Tom to launch so much money since my teenage years. He doesn't need another. Yeah, that's right.

My moral support is good enough. Absolutely. Now, the only, the last thing I want to touch on to The Stars guys is I had John Greenwald on my show recently, who we all know. is the guy who he's the FOIA guy. Any document pertaining to UFOs that has been declassified. He's all about it. He gets it out there.

He gives it to the public for free. I talked to him all about to the stars an ATIP, the actual government-funded project about UFOs, the Pentagon program. And what's really interesting is he hasn't found much on this thing. Now, that's not to say it's not that it didn't exist. We know it existed. What John argues is that it has been exaggerated beyond comprehension. that this program didn't really involve UFOs that much,

and that Mr. Elizondo might not exactly have been as prominent as many people think. I mean, we had him recently give a presentation in Italy, where he showed C.G.I. photos to the public and said that these were actual photos of the Washington DC flap. Now, that was a blunder that I can't really understand how someone who headed a UFO program could make something like that in observation like that. a mistake like that. So I do want to err on the side of caution in terms of how important this

ATIP project actually was. But at the end of the day, I want to ask you guys, does that even matter to any of you? No, no. Okay. Okay. No, it doesn't. And again, managing expectations. Look, if we're taking Elizondo at his word and he did what he said he did, he's not a UFO historian. He doesn't know everything about UFOs. He had a specific job. to study weird things in the sky that doesn't make him a UFO expert or somebody who knows about UFO history. And he's admitted that he doesn't know UFO history. So it's very understandable that they're not really going to know what they're talking about when they're throwing up all these old photos about, you know, historical cases and all that stuff. So no.

I mean, I think it's embarrassing. Yes. And they need to work on that, especially if they're going to be as public as they want to be. but that doesn't mean anything in terms of ATIP or its legitimacy, but it will say, I mean, we already know that ATIP wasn't really much of anything. I mean, $22 million, come on, that's nothing. That's like a project of bringing in a project manager at the White House to replace a toilet. And as we've from Jeremy Corbell and many others, the bulk of that project was looking into things not related to UFOs, things like Skinwalker Ranch being the bulk of it. there you go. One thing I'm going to add, it doesn't change, you know, kind of whether I support them or not, but I do think it's very careless and sloppy, and it's not a good look because even though he wasn't, you know, an expert on UFOs previously, you know, Tom's also known for, you know,

been posting photos on Instagram and showing videos of things that we know are hoax, and that's just sloppy. And I think they definitely need some crisis management in terms of public relations. I know there's like one publicist who's Tom's publicist who I think does a decent job. But I think they actually need a team because a lot of this stuff needs to be managed. Yeah, for sure. But can you imagine having to be Tom's publicist? Like, what a giant job that is.

And look, I mean, we've been doing this. Maureen and I've been doing this for 10 plus years now. And, you know, if my job, if I were brought on to something, like, I'm not going to be able to do nearly as good of a job as the Internet people. You know, you can think you've done all the research and everything. everything in the world. But as soon as something goes live, you'll hear from a hundred hardcore internet people who will tell you how you effed up and, you know, what a terrible job you did and why the photo you showed was proven to be a fake and this and that. Oh, hell yeah. I mean, Jason, I want to add the rot. Go ahead. Oh, no, I was just going to say,

to your point, the Roswell slides were debunked in one day by the public. One day. That's all I'm going to say. And in one sense, that's the easiest thing to do. Like, hey, let's just put it up. I'm not sure about it. But if we're wrong, the internet will let us know. The all-encompassing internet. Maureen, what do you think? I mean, it's a really good point.

And I think that it's terrifying in terms of there's always the risk that you're going to post something that, you know, you're asking questions about. This actually just happened on Twitter today. I saw you commenting on it, Ryan, which. with the Stan Romanek video, some guy posted and tagged a bunch of people in, and he thought it was an interesting video. And then all of us within three seconds said, no, the guy's a known coaxer. That's a total BS video. Right away. So there you go.

I mean, that stuff happens. That poor guy was just unindated with. I know. I will see. The more you're in this field, the more you realize the importance of being cautious. and certainly not throwing up a photo on a projector and going, and this is a real photo, you know, you have to be careful and engage everything, you know, allegedly is a very good word to enter your vocabulary and have it be used frequently and often.

Everyone knows it's my favorite word. When I was on that stupid show on Discovery, people were joking about that if they made an action doll of me, it'd have a string in the back and you'd pull it and say, allegedly. Or as ancient aliens has taught us, could it be that? Well, all right, guys.

I think to the stars has gotten enough of our time here. I want to move to another entertainment project that is going to premiere at the beginning of 2019. And that is Project Blue Booked. names Dr. Alan Heinek. You want me to investigate flying saucers. I want you to help me prove to the public the truth. They don't exist. Jason, we saw this thing in full force at Alien Khan.

It's been, we've known about it for a while now. Some of us have seen a good chunk of the first six episodes or so of it. So, guys, J. Ellen Heineck, our UFO grandfather, UFO dad, however you want to put it. is now making it to the silver screen. We're going to see him weekly now. So what do we all make of this? Project Blue Book, the television series, premiering on the History Channel.

I'm ready to explode, but I'll let other people go. I haven't seen it. Y'all has actually seen it. And I'm just curious, I'm really, you haven't? No, I have. I've seen the first six episodes. I was very fortunate to have that,

but pouring salt in the wound. I'm sorry, my man. But what do you think? What was your initial reactions to hearing that they were going to be making a television show about Project Blue Book. Well, once again, this is something that's going to be highly fictionalized as well. So that's what I'm curious to see of how much of it pulls from what we know to be true and how much of it is fictionalized.

But either way, I'm still excited for it, just because I feel like we haven't had a show like this on television in a while, especially something that hits close to home to all of us. So I'm excited for it. And the fact that it's on the History Channel, I think that's a good thing too. you'll see it probably packaged with ancient aliens at some point with reruns. But yes, since, you know, Ryan, you've seen it before without giving any spoilers. I don't know how much you could speak to it. But would you say that it is a fair representation? Absolutely.

And I can say that very without any hesitation, to be honest, it is, it's fair. It's authentic. But it is a drama. It is fiction. It's a drama. It's fiction. I recently interviewed the creator and the showrunner of the show. That will be airing in a few weeks from now.

But they stress that, of course, we had to fictionalize aspects. We need to create a narrative for all of this. So I understand those who say, it's not accurate. It's going to be fictionalized. Why is Heineck looking at an alien in a tube? I totally get all that. I totally get it. But until you see it, until you see the story they lay out,

I'm sort of reserving judgment on saying, oh, they totally botched it. It is a slick show. It is beautiful. It is well written. It is amazingly acted by Aiden Gilling, playing J. L. and Hineke and the other actors as well. I think it's great. Again, it's the history channel. So there's a lot of historical stuff in it.

A lot of cases we all know in the UFO community. But this is going to be the first time for a lot of people hearing about these cases. So that's more exciting than did they get this right? Was this the date it actually happened? This, that this. Exactly. Yeah. See, again, we'd come back to managed expectations and people, you know, wanting this to be something

it's not. This is not a documentary. It's a drama TV show. It's fiction, but it's based on something true. So there's a lot of truth in here. So this, if you like X-Files, you know, people in the UFO of X-Files

because it's talking about a we all love, and are passionate about. Well, this is the same thing, but it's referencing something that was real. So keep that in mind. Think of it as an X-Files period piece because that's what it is. And this show is so well done. Paul Heineck, Jalen Heineck's son, is a consultant on the show. So that should tell you something. And I just think they did such a great job with this. I am excited to see the first season. I saw the first episode. I was blown away by it. If you are a UFO fan, this is going to be such a fun ride.

Just don't expect it to be a documentary telling you what actually happened with Project Blue Book because you're not going to get it. But you will have fun because it's a TV show about UFOs. And that being said, too, they did post today a citing reports map of

historical UFO cases that Project Blue Book investigated. So if I believe you go to Twitter, just go to any of the Project Blue Book social networks and you'll see this thing. Or any of our social network. Or ours. Yeah, we all shared it.

They're going out of their way to really do their homework with this show. I know for a fact that the creator spoke to the last living person who ran Project Blue Book, talked to him extensively about it. Again, Paul Heinek is a contributor to all of this as well. And they did everything they could to make this as accurate as possible. And I'm excited. so much money at this show. It's ridiculous, yeah.

Yeah. I'm super psyched because of your guys' glowing review. And also, I have to say that this show is coming out at a really opportune time for our friend James Fox. Yes. You've been working on a movie about the 701

cases that are unidentified in Project Blue Book for years, but I know he's getting closer to having this documentary be a reality. No disrespect. our friend Jeremy Corbelle, the movie James right now is going to be

just going out on a limb here, but I think it's going to be the most incredible UFO documentary ever. I have high expectations because I know how much research that James has put into this project already, as well as having Lee Spiegel along with him. And I was super bummed because at one point James did reach out to me and ask if I could help with some stuff. stuff.

Me too. The documentary, yeah, but it was a task that would be too time-consuming for what I had. But I'm so excited about that documentary that I'm really looking forward that all this project Blue Book stuff is coming to fruition coming up in the near future. Awesome. And plus, you know, little fingers on it. Yeah. That's a good point where they got an incredible cast for this one.

Well, I mean, that's a good way to sort of wrap. wrap this up, guys, is what you're looking forward to in 2019 in terms of UFOs. I'm going to say mine right now, and you already mentioned it. It is James Fox's documentary. I think this is going to blow people away. I've seen about 30 minutes of it that he shared with me recently. And the access he got to some of the individuals in this documentary is really going to start some conversations for sure. So that's what I'm looking to. forward to, Mike, what are you looking forward to in 2019 in terms of UFOs? I want to see the Secret Machines documentary. Just from the very beginning when he started teasing footage and people who were talking to, all that he's had a camera, Thomas had a camera with him the whole time. And I'm a big fan of the nonfiction books as well. So I want to see more documentaries.

Like fiction's cool as well, but, you know, we have so much fiction coming out this year with Project Blue Book. Give us more documentaries because right now they're popular. I mean, if you look at Jeremy's film, how well it's doing, and, you know, you guys were, because you guys were at the premiere, you saw how many, how many kids were there digging it. Yeah. So, yeah, give me more documentaries. Well, I will one up you, Mike, and I will say, work with me together and let's make a punk rock and UFOs documentary. Yes.

Let's do it. It'll be better than all them combined. That would be rad. I mean, Maureen and I basically did that at Warp Tour. Right. That was the start, you know. That's our blueprint. We'll just go around.

We'll talk to bands about UFOs. It'll be awesome. I already have footage. I have footage with Greg Gaffin. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, you do. That's awesome. So, yeah.

We're on our way. With some footage I have when I interview Tom about the election, too, from a couple years ago. That's kind of some unreal. All right. Let's work on it. We'll look forward to that in 2019. Perfect. Punk, Punk Rock, UFO's documentary.

You heard it here first, guys. If I ever make it out to Arizona, let's do it. Punk rock and UFO is the documentary coming 2019. We'll work on it. Awesome. Jason, how about you? Is that it, I assume? I'm looking forward to the punk rock and UFOs documentary, yeah, for sure.

No, Project Blue Book, I'm stoked on this show. I mean, you know, the recent X-Files left us all a little disappointed and wanting more. But Blue Book, man, if the rest of the season is like episode one, I'm just, I'm ready. for it because again, as a fan of this genre and as the topic of UFOs, taking something that's real and presenting it in this way, number one, I'm excited because it's a great show. And number two, I think the possibilities for exposing people to the reality of Project Blue Book and the government's interest in UFOs is ridiculous. I'm excited about that. I'm also excited to see what happens with things in the general public like AlienCon. Alien Khan has started this massive

movement. Baltimore was unreal and moving it to L.A. for the California one in June, I think that thing is going to be huge. So I'm really looking forward to seeing the kind of turnout they get, the people they get, and just what that experience is. Because again, that's pop culture. That's the general public. People going there, they've never looked into UFOs for themselves. They've never been to a UFO conference. They've never read a UFO book. They just have this interest in the topic. And that's their introduction. And, you know, there's so many people, tens of thousands of people going to this event for the first time. So I think it's really exciting. So I can't wait to see what that does for the topic, for the discussion of UFOs in 2019. Perfect. Maureen, how about you? Anything else?

Well, I would say I'm hopefully looking forward to not only the 701 and Project Blue Book. Doing more spacing out, man. Jason, come on. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Anything else, going to return. The first episode is going to be with Jeremy coming up soon. Yeah. And I think as well, more advancements in the spacefront, just seeing if we can't just keep searching for extraterrestrial life,

as long as we can, maybe one day we'll have definitive proof. But, yeah. Awesome. It's looking bright for 2019. So let's run through our socials here, guys. Mike, where can we find all of your work? my man in 2019. Punkrock and UFOs.com.

Great. Jason, what do you got? Rogueplanet.com is the place for everything. Follow me on Twitter at A-S-E-C-E-C-N-T-R-I-C. You can find me on Facebook at The UFO Geek. Perfect. And Maureen? All of my handles usually are my full name. So at Maureen-Elsbury, I won't spell it out for you. So Twitter, Instagram.

And you can find me atrogPlanet.tv and Maureenelisbury.com. which is really not updated often. That's all right. Well, guys, you know where to find me at rokeplanet.tv and somewhere in the skies.com. And just look for a ton of stuff to come at you guys, content-wise, from all of us in the coming year. I cannot wait. And I have to thank all of you guys for joining me on this 2018 UFO year review. So thank you very much.

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