Somewhere in the Skies - Alien Encounters & The Rebelliously Curious Mind of Chrissy Newton

Episode Date: September 29, 2025

Media strategist, journalist for the The Debrief, and podcast host of Rebelliously Curious, Chrissy Newton, returns to discuss her father's dramatic close encounter with a UFO, what inspired her to dive into the UFO community, her experience interviewing controversial disinformation agent, Richard Doty, and so much more. We also learn about her new podcast, Project Book Club, co-hosted by Bryce Zabel, and a behind-the-scenes look at her television series, Alien Encounters: Fact or Fiction, on Discovery+ and her thoughts on the recent Congressional UAP Hearing and the current iteration of the UAPDA. It's a wide-ranging discussion with one of the most dynamic researchers working in the UFO field today. Subscribe to Rebelliously Curious and learn more at: https://chrissynewton.com/ Please take a moment to rate and review us on Spotify and Apple. Book Ryan on CAMEO at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DO Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: http://www.buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ PayPal: [e-mail] Email: [e-mail] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@SomewhereintheSkies Discord: https://discord.gg/NTkmuwyB4F Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ryansprague.bsky.social Twitter: https://twitter.com/SomewhereSkies Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/somewhereskiespod/ Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryansprague51 Order Ryan’s new book: https://a.co/d/4KNQnM4 Order Ryan’s older book: https://amzn.to/3PmydYC Store: http://tee.pub/lic/ULZAy7IY12U Proud member of SpectreVision Radio: https://www.spectrevision.com/podcasts Read Ryan’s articles at: https://medium.com/@ryan-sprague51 Opening Theme Song by Septembryo Copyright © 2025 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. #UFOs #UAP #Disclosure #ChrissyNewton #TheDebrief #RebelliouslyCurious #AlienEncounters #UFOResearch #Podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I'm Ryan Spratt, and you are now Somewhere in the Skies. All right, welcome to Somewhere in the Skies, and we have been talking off air for almost 11 minutes now, and that is not surprising, because I feel like when we have Christine Newton on the show. We could talk forever. It's been so long since she's been on the show. We have so much to catch up on. So much she's been doing one of the busiest people in the UFO field. And joining us is our wonderful moderator, Suzanne, today to help with this interview. So Chrissy, welcome back to

somewhere in the skies. Hi, everybody. It's good to see you. I know I'm like, Brian, I miss you. Suzanne, I met you last year. So I miss you too. But I have not seen Brian. or talk to Ryan and like even on a show and it feels like a while yeah officially we're always like texted back and forth when something happens in the UFO world and um you were busy during Ryan you're like a yeah you're like a yeah it's like those chocolate chip cookies you smell when you come in the door right that's what I want to be known as Chris yeah well for those who may not know who you are chrissey I don't know how that's possible if you follow the you know about God. But there is. There's always new people getting involved with this stuff. So, Suzanne, I'm going to let you start this one off since Christy and I have been friends forever. You guys just recently met. So I'm sure you want to know some of the origin story and stuff. So I'll let you sort of lead here with the opening if you don't mind.

Sure. Thanks. Chrissy, you're so sweet to do this for us today. And I know you have been climbing Internet mountains on your end trying to get things to work. So we appreciate the extra effort. Thanks. Yeah. Technology has not been my friend this week. And I actually laughed because see this cord right here. I had, it broke. So I would and this, I know and it connects to my computer. And I was like, are you, do you joking me today? And so then I had an up a backup, thankfully. But I was like, this is like 30 minutes before I'm supposed to do a podcast. Always. So it's been. Right. So let's just hope it ends like today's Sunday. So let's just hope the bad luck ends. Internet gods are with us today, right? Exactly. Well, I have some questions for you. And one of them is I'd love for you to tell our listeners what you did before or besides UFOs. Oh, yeah, for sure. I've really loved UFO since I was a little girl.

So I've always been around it since I've been like six or seven. My dad had UFO experience and that's really what brought me into it. He showed me a picture. And I just like, it was one of the most amazing things. remember thinking and was like, what is this? And like was so captivated by it. And then just throughout my entire life, you know, he's always asked like questions about what he saw. And so trying to figure it out. And he's deeply interested in history. My mom is too. And along with like neurology. And so a lot of the things like you do, like your parents, you know, they do really rub off on you as you get older. And we are in

the same DNA, right? So there would be some common interests from nurture versus and like nature. So yeah, but before that, before getting into like maybe the more front facing side and working with the debrief, I was working in public relations. I still do. Now more media, like kind of like 50-50, I'd say. But working in public relations, working in entertainment, lifestyle, pretty much anything, consumer brands. I've worked in FinTech. I've worked in finance. All in the PR space.

The only thing I have not done is done government relations. And I might do that one day if I ever feel that I, line, which I never really do. I don't really follow left and right. I think it's just made up. So I find that it's just one of those things that I just, I don't like in that way of politics. I try to stay away from separating in division personally. But outside of it, if I ever did find a candidate that I really did believe that, you know, was going to do something because I live in Toronto for Canadians, then I would go into political side of public relations. But right now, it's just, you know, UFOs, media, edge science, brain computer interfaces has been on my,

my radar immensely. I'm actually going to a brain computer face conference next week. So I'm excited to get involved in that world because like they all intersect with UAP at one point. Like it really does with this topic. So and just edge science in general. So it's just been a real ride, I guess, my entire life. That's awesome. And I think all those little nooks and crannies of life that in, they contribute in a bigger way to what you do with UFOs. All those life experiences matter as you bring it to your podcast and to these interviews. Oh, yeah, for sure they do. And I just different way of, I love, I love people. Like, I really do, you know, I don't like being around people all the time, you know, not one of those people. But I do really like people and I like people's

stories and I like talking with people and connecting with people, you know, and I, that's just, it's something I enjoy doing in real life. It's hard when you're like, you know, you're out and there's maybe lots of people at times, but I do like a great one-on-one connection and spending time with people and hearing their stories. So that's why I'm here. And also selfishly on my podcast, I get to learn. When I'm talking to different academics, it like, it, I ask questions from what I think my listener or my watcher on YouTube would like to hear. But then I'm also asking questions that I'm deeply interested in. And it's kind of like going to school. in a weird way.

And so it's, yeah, and I, and that's why I do it so much because I do enjoy that. I enjoy the learning aspect of it. Me too. It's one of the best things about helping Ryan with his show is getting you read it all and actually putting that knowledge to use instead of just absorbing it and sitting quietly with it. So I get it. I have another quick question about your dad's experience, though. What year was his experience?

And could you tell us just briefly what he saw or what he experienced? Yeah, for sure. I was 80, 19, nine, sorry, 1988 or 88. He's not exactly sure on which year. And to be honest, I have talked to someone about researching my case for my dad.

And I can look at different media and Pembroke, Ontario. So which is about, I believe, two hours to an hour and a half north of Toronto. So he was just driving up there with a group of people. And they were going to a cottage. And what he ended up doing was seeing

with a whole bunch of people in the car, a full car. of them, a UFO in the distance. So they started like chasing after it and following it. And when they got closer to it, it was hovering above a telephone pole light. That's how close they were to where like the lights are from the road. And you can imagine back in the day, those, those light poles, which are still out in Pembroke, Ontario, I bet you on that highway, depending, I forget, I don't, I think it was off the 401. They're potentially still there. So they were really small. They weren't as big as highway lights now. So he saw,

a very small disc-shaped UFO that was metallic hovering above it. And so what he ended up doing was he flashed his tail lights, like flashed its lights at the, like its high beams at the UAP and it flashed back. Oh, wow. And I know, it's wild. And so, yeah, it is really wild. And so what ended up happening,

and there's some new developments actually on the story that I'll tell that I felt was really interesting that a producer actually brought up to me that has worked with CBC. But then what he did was he took a point. picture of it. And so my dad showed me that picture when I was a kid and we still have the negative that he has in it, in the safe. And so I've been asking to give it to me so I can, I have his other documents that he has of other stuff that's for you AP related. But I want that because I want to blow it up and make it an art piece. But when I was a little girl,

he showed me that. And I remember thinking like, what is this in trying to understand it and get a better grasp of it? But he always said to me in the documents that he has now in the photo, he was just like you're too young, Chrissy. Like you just won't understand until you get older. And so now I'm older. Prying hard to understand. Trying hard to still understand it. Exactly.

Nothing's changed as much. Maybe I've gone a little bit more idea of what it was. But my dad said that it was interesting because the correlations of Bob Lazar, which, you know, if you believe Bob Lazar story or not, but the one correlation is that it was the size. My dad said little kids could fit in it. So it was small. he said. He also said that it was metallic in shape. It was like a Netsum bulls craft. But my fault, the biggest part of the story, though, actually is because we see like some of these

observables is what they had a rifle in the back of the car because they were hunting and they took it out and they pointed the rifle at the UAP to look through it at the scope, like to get a better, closer look and it took off. So they watched it instantly accelerate. Yeah. So much. I know. It's unbelievable. So now with this said, I was sitting with a producer that works with a production company in Canada this summer. And he was asking me the same story, how did I get involved in UFOs? And he was like, where was it? And I said it was like, you know, just by Pembroke area. And he's like, you know that there's a military base up there. And I went no way. I said, I actually, I didn't know that. He goes, yeah, there's this whole road too that all this weird stuff ends up happening on. And he's like, you know that. And I went, no way. I said, I actually, I didn't know that. He goes, yeah, there's this whole road, too, that all this weird stuff ends up happening on. And. And. And that's like unusual in Ontario. And I was like, what? I was like, hold on. Why have I not heard about this yet?

And so I can look at like different media clippings because apparently my dad said it, the UFO days later there was like sightings of UAP similar in different regions in Ontario. So he remembers that. And so I can look at the media. I can look at the media clippings back there. I know that David Marler actually has NICAT file. back from then at that time from the 1980s so I can go to and look at David Marlars like there's so many through the NICAP files but I can go through that but then I can just go

through media clippings and then look at the the activity might have been happening on that base so here's the thing what my dad saw and which we've always debated it could have been tech it could have been advanced tech because we know when I've been I was told this by someone who has worked it formerly at Area 51, told me off the record on a podcast that they were developing like drones at that time. So that technology was already going, which most people would be like, no way, that's impossible. It wasn't, he told me it was they were actually working on that technology in the 50s and the 60s. Right. So if you believe them or not, if you believe this person or not, but the parallels that it potentially could have been an advanced

technology drone that came off this base that was related to American and Canadian tech, high possibility. So when I found that out, I was like, gosh, I got to go look into this more. So that is something is on my bucket list. And there's a couple of things for my father because he has a very interesting background from growing up. And a lot of, he has his own little mysteries. So, you know, he does.

A couple family mysteries in there. So it's just, you know, there's that one. And I've got another family mystery one to add. to unravel. So in another 20, 30 years from now, you'll get another answer to learn. Exactly. Well, and there's things that you can. Like, now we can FOIA and there's obviously a whole bunch of stuff that you can do. But it's so much work taking the time to do it. And I will at one point. UAPI, I said I'll start now. And then another story with my dad, I will probably go look at to his family background. And, you know, foia more for that. And yeah.

And he's been trying to answer these questions this whole life, too. And he was doing what I was doing around this age as well with trying to figure out family stuff and just other scenarios. So it's kind of like, you know, what you know, what's next, right? The next generation. And it's also it's my family generation too. So my sister didn't want to know all of our relatives. So yeah. Right.

Exactly. A long way of explaining that. Well. No, no. I love it. Exactly. I understand how that got you started, though. What a fascinating thing to have experienced.

I'd also love to know what prompted your start with writing for the debrief or working on rebelliously curious. How did you make that step, you know, a full step forward, a concrete step forward for those? Well, Ryan's part of the story. Oh, is? Yes, he is. Yeah. I munched my way in there. Right.

Well, no, well, not you didn't. You just, I wrenched my way in there. Oh, fair enough. A better way of saying it, I think. We're both too polite, yeah. Yeah. Fair. No, but what I ended up happening was I met Ryan. I reached out to Ryan because I saw what he was doing. And I was like, this is, this is amazing what you're doing. I love your show. I love, you know, all the work that you're doing. And I reached out to him because I was like, I want to get involved in this, really. And then I think might have been a couple months after I met Ryan, like online. The debrief, Tim McMillan came out with his DoFass story and like the rest of these other stories. And I was like, what? Like, who? Like, who? is, who are these people? I was like, who are these, this group? And I work in public relations.

So I was like, and I read so many UFO outlets. I'm like, I would think I would know who they are. So I, you know, did a little spy, you know, looking them up. Who is all these people? What is everyone doing? And I saw that Ryan was contributing. And I was like, reached out to Ryan. I was like, can you connect me to, to them? And then what ended up happening is Ryan said, yeah, they'd be open to chat with you. And by that time, M.J. Bonayas, which is funny because I was just texting him before we got on here. MJ Benayas was like Chrissy. I reached out to him and said, hey, I would love to do some video work because they were looking for writers and people to do stuff for the debrief.

And he got back to me, we had a phone call. And then the short of it is I ended up in a Discord chat with all of us. And that's how it all started. And then later on just was doing public relations with them and then podcasting and then writing and then also doing public relations. So I became a partner shortly after. And now five years later, I think we're going in our sixth year, which is like, I know.

I don't know how we all haven't killed each other yet. I know, right? Yeah. And it's like family in many ways we are. Yes. It's a dysfunctional family, but a family is not. At times it can be very functional and times very dysfunctional. And no, you guys are not.

CIA assets as many people out there think. Well, I'm not. conspiracies at the door, guys. Exactly. I'm not. You're not. I don't know about everybody I'm not smart enough. So it ain't me. Well, I wouldn't say that, Ryan. Those other guys, I would say. That's true. Good point. That's funny. Well, I have one more question for you, Chrissy. I love your interview with Richard Dolham. And you guys talked about the disinformation campaigns that went on historically. First of all, what was it like interviewing him? And then sort of a backup question is, what do you look for in your work that might signal that disinformation is going on?

Richard Doty. I'm sorry, Richard Doty. What did I say? I'm like, disinformation. That sounds more like a Doty thing. Yeah, I don't know who I asked about. Richard Doty is who I'm asking about. Yeah, Doty.

I have been so. deeply interested in this story for so long. I'm friends with Greg Bishop who wrote Project Beta. I'm very close with Greg Bishop. He's such a dear friend and like such a great human. Like he really is. Yes. And he really wants to be able to find out the truth of this. And he really cares about Paul and others. And so for me, it's starting me on this road now that I've been going down. It's about how the government has affected civilians. Right. And this is, you know, Paul Benowitz is not the only one. We have eight. in orange. We have like, there's so many, we have MK Ultra, obviously, and there were so many

offshoots of MK Ultra that ended up affecting multiple different people and civilians. And we have even eugenic programs that started in the early 30s. Like, it doesn't end. And the question is what's happening today, right? And so with Richard, yeah, so with Richard Doty, it was, it was one of those moments where I think for me, I, my perspective changed with Doty in the interview too, because I grilled him a little hard off the hop. And I will say, say that. And I was, yeah, and I was probably maybe a tad bit, I won't use the word emotional, because I hate using that word with women because it's just so stupid for all emotional people. But I think I was so, I'm so committed into what happened to Paul Benowitz, is that you do forget,

and this is not sympathy for Jody, because I know, and he still, I still believe he had a choice to do what he did. He didn't have to do it. He could have laughed. But there are elements in there being like a 25-year-old man. This is his first job, his first gig, not really, understanding the instance out. I remember literally thinking yesterday about something when I was 25 and the stupid decisions I made in life and didn't realize my own cause and effect. So I think Richard Doty has seen that and there's a growing. So I do have not sympathy, but I do have understanding of where he was coming from, but I still do deeply believe that he had a choice. You know, when I was 25, I wasn't working on, you know, I don't know if I would have chose to do a

disinformation campaign. But I think that he was heavily influenced by the American government, and he says that he was told to do this. And so that he didn't choose to do it personally. He chose to assign to do it. And he really did say that he cared about Paul Benowitz. But, you know, the questions I asked him is he's like, well, we were taking care of him and his health. And I said, we had physical health, but not his mental health. I'm like, if anything, we all knew that he had more mental health issues than he had physical health issues. So it's, you know, why would you play on that, right? And take advantage of that.

And so those are things that I learned from Doty and have grown to maybe understand him a little bit better as a person and why that ended up happening. But there's still a lot of questions of, you know, was Paul Benowitz maybe a target of an MK Ultra aspect? Because there was multiple letter agencies attacking him. It wasn't just one. And, you know, Doty saying that the government knew. at that, not the government, the president knew at that point. I'm forgetting what president that was, was it Reagan? I would have known at that point.

Yeah, I think maybe, and I'm like, I think yeah, was Reagan in the 80s, would have known at that point and was briefed allegedly. So there's so many things that you potentially could go down these roads to find out more of who was also affecting Paul, why. Because it's a bigger story. The bigger story is that people or civilians are getting affected and the American government doesn't care and they use them as casualties. And that really bugs me a lot. And so I've been kind of working on that now for the past a little bit, looking into it, talking to people and

hopefully working on a larger project around that as well in the next little. Because I think it's important that, you know, that should not happen. Like zero. Like there's a lot of things that the government does that is corrupt and there's lots of things. But targeting your own civilians, through science programs or science experiments unwillingly and unknowingly or just in general is just like, is ultimately horrible. It changes that person's life, but it changes their whole family's lives and it affects so many people, especially if you're, and then it can affect thousands or millions if you're doing it on a larger scale.

Right. And we watched it unfold in real time with Kevin Day. I worry about that guy to this day. I think he finally has his bearings, but I think we watched in real time that happened to him as well. Yeah. And I think that there are so many.

Yeah, and I think that there are so many. And I have talked to someone that was a victim as a child in most recent. This year I spoke to that person. So I'm finding more people. And if anybody has been, please reach out to me. And vetting this is not easy.

It's not the easiest thing to do because it's hard to find, you know, and it's not saying that there are people that lies. There's people that lie in general, right, about everything. So vetting it is hard. And also finding documentation can be troubling as well, right? But the whole fact that there are so many cases, there's like more than 10 cases that we have now where people have been tested on from like the early 30s,

that are government actual programs that we can find documentation to. So again, the question is what is happening now and what has happened in the early 2000s too, right, that we don't know. Yeah. It's 25 years, a long time. And you could be a child and now you're at 25, 30-year-old adult. Right. Well, and then that all bleeds into, I think, some of the quote-unquote whistleblowers

we're seeing come forward today. Like, is this also part of disinformation, which I want to touch on with you in a little bit here, Christy, but I want to, I want to fast forward a little bit because I know our time is limited. I had some more questions about guests from rebelliously curious, but guys, just go subscribe, go watch, go listen, do it right now. Stop this. Go subscribe. You've had some incredible guests on the show. But I do want to touch on this new endeavor that you're doing podcast-wise, and that's with Bryce Zabel. You're now doing a show called Project Book Club. So awesome, so awesome. So tell us a little about what that is, if you don't mind, and what books you guys

have covered so far. Oh, for sure. Yeah. So Bryce said to me, he just sent me a message and he was like, Chrissy, I have this idea for a podcast, but it's also something where, you know, we can keep up with UAP history. He's like, do you want to do a book club? And I was like, yes. I'm like, I'm always, I'm always wanting to read UFO books, but sometimes it's hard to get things in the So you read them like once in a while. I'm reading maybe like three year instead of like maybe I should be reading one a month. And so right for four a year depending on, you know, what I like like two of these on my shelf. That's it.

Like, you're right. There's not enough. And I have so many books at my place because I have them and I'm like, oh, I'm going to read this. And then I end up reading some of it and then I don't finish it. And so I was just like, you know what? It's so hard to do that. And Bryce was just like same with same with me. That's a challenge.

He's like, why don't we make ourselves accountable, but then we can podcast about it. And I was like, that is fantastic. So he started Project Book Club, and now he asked me to co-host with him. And so every single month, we read different books. And I pick one, then he picks one. We are reading Miragemen this time. The first book next month, that's when we're starting to read right now. The first book we read was Encounters.

And then we did Lou Alizondo's book, Eminent. And then we read War, which was Tom DeLong's third book that just came out this year of his trilogy. Then we read Above Black was our last, or just our most recent one. So the podcast only started this year. And so Above Black was our last podcast. And I recommended that we read that book. And then, yeah, now our next one's Miragemen. So if you love, if you want to like, you know, we'll be doing what's it called Twitter chats as well or Twitter spaces, I believe they call them.

We'll be doing that. I hosted one last month. And Astral is an amazing producer. He's a good friend as well. And he's on Twitter. And he's always hosting those spaces with us. So we can talk about the book. Sometimes we obviously get into the nitty gritty of UFO politics at times. But the idea is to have a place where people can discuss the book and talk about it. Yeah. That's what it's all about. I got to ask, like maybe not one you covered or even plan on covering. But do you have like a personal favorite? UFO book, a definitive book, or one you like keep reopening and going back to. And yeah, yeah, any favorites? I have Project Beta. I love how Greg Bishop writes. You know, I'm so happy he's a friend of mine because I really do love the book so much. And, yeah, I would recommend Project Beta all the way.

Encounters actually was a really great book to Ralph Blumenthal's. It was really well done. I enjoyed how Ralph writes. there's historical aspects. To be honest, every book we've read this month so far has been, or these months so far, have been really, really great, I find. But some of them can be, like, really heavy. Like Tom DeLong, like Warbook is like 600 pages or more.

So reading out of the month is hard when you're busy. But we did it. And at the same time, you're like, I ended up going down so many different roads because of Tom DeLong. And I appreciate him for that because he, like, I literally had to stop the book sometimes. And then I would go read about Jack Parsons. And then I got obsessed with Jack Parsons for like, I don't know, a good, like three weeks while I was reading the book and watching documentaries on him. And then slowly really had, I think, got a crush on Jack Parsons. But just found it fascinating.

And then got really deeply interested in the turn of the century again. and what was going on, the jet propulsion laboratory and NASA, and then what was happening around the occult side of things and how those intersected. So it was just, there's been so many times you read these books, and this is the UFO world, that it brings you into so many other different worlds and so many different like countercultures or subcultures, I should say, and then you just find yourself hanging out there.

So that's what that book did to me. And same with the above black. It made me think the same thing I'm doing now about, This is the same idea about Dan Sherman says that he was affected by a government program. And he was targeted by one at a very early age, extremely early age, and was working with the American government on it as a whistleblower as an undercover, not knowing that until later on in the book that it was related to aliens. But that's his, that's his whistleblower story. And that's a, that's an old one as well. It's not so new.

But the question is, it's like, do you believe Dan? And now we're living in the era of whistleblowers. So, I don't know, there's a lot to unpack in the book club. Yeah. Yeah, and that's good. Like, that could vindicate some of this stuff he brought forward a really long time ago. I remember when that book first came out, and people are like, what? Come on.

And now a lot of what he's saying is, like, lining up with stuff. But then some of it isn't. It's interesting. It is. And the sigh stuff, though, the sigh ability. that he says he's able to have in that book is actually lining up with today more than ever. Like it lines up with the past as well

because Sai has always been the psychic abilities or talent of communication or telepathy has always been connected to UAP, but it's just so much more integrated now into UAP and the mainstream and like they're having the Sae games and all these other kind of offshoots, obviously the telepathy tapes.

So what he's saying there is not, not far off. And I've also heard from other people that, from other people that have had negative experience, that being a form of drugged to be able to do things that are related to UAP technology in government is something that has happened. And he says that he had to take a form of a neural drug before that he could actually have these abilities. And it was probably to open up some type of neuropathways for him in his brain

so that he could or shut down certain receptors in his brain, Because that's what happens when you take ayahuasca or other types of hallucingenics, it shuts down those receptors so that you're able to then be a little bit open to other receptors out there in your consciousness or whatever might be happening. That's what they say in a neurological perspective. So what he's saying is not, there's a couple of things where you're like, whoa, but then there's a lot of other elements where you're trying to, you can't fact check. And you're also like, wow, I, you know, and if it's the full on the truth,

We live in a really scary world. Scarier than I, you know, we think it is. Yeah, scary, weird world for sure. It's cool. Well, I definitely got to subscribe to Project Book Club as well. This is like one giant promotion for literally everything's cool that Chrissy's doing. The next cool thing that you did, Suzanne and I are actually within hours going to be interviewing David Marler as well.

about the National UFO Reporting Historical Center. And you had the opportunity to go to like the literal ribbon cutting, like the opening of this thing, if I'm remembering correctly. So yeah, tell us a little about that experience, what it was like. I love David Marler so much. He's awesome. Oh, he's such an amazing human. So he asked me to go and he was like, do you want to come down?

And I said 100% I'll fly down to do this. So I did a little YouTube, people can go on my Instagram or my, were on YouTube to see the video that I did just around like the, oh my gosh, the record center and what was happening in the launch and the documents that they have. But it was unbelievable. You know, you have so many documents, the most documents in North America that we know that are UAP related. And it was funny because Amy was there from, I forgot, a UFO morning, I forget her handle that she has. but Amy was there and she lives in Albuquerque.

And so I've met Amy before in New Mexico and she came up to me and she's like, Chrissy, because she lives in that community. And she's just like, hey, and she, I wrote an article about the launch of it. And she said the best line. And I was like, I love it so much. She points to the building and she goes, the truth's not out there. The truth's in there. And I started laughing.

And I was like, Amy, I'm using that in an article. And I said, but you're so true. I'm like, you know, I'm like, you. Tell me, okay, show me if UFOs are real. Just point to the record center. You know, like that's really what David Marler created was a place that houses all of these documents that have so much evidence and so many stories that have happened to people from all across North America and around the world. But a lot within North America. And he has so many different records from NYCAP.

There were early 80s from the Lorenzans. Like he's just, he's got so much. And he still has more coming in in his intake. He hasn't even processed everything. So I'll watch your podcast when you talk to him next to see where he's at and like all the new stuff that he's getting because like it's exciting. And someone who likes artifacts, I'm like, ooh, like it was really emotional. I actually almost cried. It was like getting pretty emotional when I was in there.

When I was like, I can't believe this. Like it's just it's so exciting. And this is the first version of it. And he will do a second. He will grow this to be something bigger. So, you know, it's just the infancy. And it's something that I'm very proud of David Marler for doing it because these people say a lot of things, but they don't do a lot of things here. They say a lot in a UAP space.

And he's actually doing. And it's lovely to see. And he's a man of his word, that's for sure. He is a doer. Yeah. And, you know, a lot of people don't realize, well, you can go there and look at the physical files and the artifacts and the things he's collected. He's also tangentially digitizing everything, which is. even more important, you know, because I can't tell you how many people, David and I have talked about

who had these files in their garage and there was a flood and they all got destroyed. Like, can you imagine the UFO files out there, whether it's from Project Blue Book, Grudge, Sign, Q-Fo's, all of these different things throughout the country and the world at this point that he's collecting. A lot of them just get shoved into a back corner or they get destroyed. David is collecting it all and then digitizing it so that we'll always have it, which is important to you. So I'm so jealous you got to like see it in its infancy stages and what it is inevitably going to become, which I think like you said, will be the most important place for any UFO researcher in the world to travel to.

You know, buy Roswell, by Area 51. Like this will be the bucket list mecca for UFO people. I think it already is to be. Yeah, you can do the tour. Like you could go to Roswell or start in Albuquerque and then drive out to Roswell Like you could do a whole

Curried a tour with that And then you could spend weeks, months in the record center Like looking through things I remember I pulled out a cassette Where it was, I believe it was a cassette Or maybe it was one of the different types of recordings on audio but an older one

But it was with Paul With Heinex, sorry Paul His father Heinex speaking about Travis Walton and what he thought about the case. And I was like, I'm sorry, I'm not to listen to this. I want to hear what he has to say, right? I'm like, it's, and it's because it's such an interesting perspective,

especially how much Heinek was involved with Project Blue Book. And, you know, it's just, and as a scientist on his own end and like, in a researcher and to see what he thought from that perspective to Travis Walton. I've never heard what he thought. I don't know if anyone else has, but I haven't. So I'd be curious to see what he thought about Travis Walton and his take on it. So there's so many of that golden nuggets in there that you would have, it's a Trevor Trove of content.

And it's unbelievable. And David Marley is just brilliant for keeping it. And I'm so happy he's digitizing it. But I also said to him, like you've got the hard copies. Never get rid of the hard copies. Nothing like, yeah, feeling this crusty fires with coffee stains on them and smell them. It's just like any good old book, you know. Yes.

It's history. It's UFO history. I love it. Well, to bring things more current, Chrissy, Suzanne and I have some questions about the UAP hearing, the UAPDA, things like that. So you reported on the latest UAP hearing on News Nation, like right after it happened. So what were your takeaways from the most recent one? This is our third one now, and we did a whole debrief on it, forgive the pun.

I'm debrief. It will not be the last time the debrief comes up in this conversation. But yeah, yeah, what did you make of the UAP hearing that just took place? The Summer in the Sky's podcast is free to listen to every week. But if you would like to help support the show, we have a very active Patreon page where you give what you think the show is worth. In return, you'll get early access to the main show, bonus episodes, and priority to ask our guests your listener questions. Your support truly makes the show continue and grow.

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directly from Congress. So I think that was a moment where we all went, whoa, it didn't even the UAP didn't even budge. Like you saw a little bit of debris. come off it, but it really didn't do anything to it from what we're seeing. You would imagine it would demol it. Like it would just shatter it, but it didn't. And so I obviously that is the biggest takeaway, I think, when it comes for footage. But the other things I thought were really interesting when I was listening to George Knapp, he's so eloquent and he did such a fabulous job as a journalist. And you see how much he deeply cares about it, about the topic. And him talking about Russia for me was really important. The idea,

of how long, and we've known this, that Russia has been looking since, you know, World War II and during the USSR, how they were deeply interested in UAP, and they have been looking into the technology and they might know more about the technology than obviously we do or just as much as North America does. And so that question, you know, right now I think is really prevalent within the relationships of America right now and President Trump and his relationships with Russia and also what's happening around the world right now and what Russia, might be doing if it's invading, if it potentially will invade Poland, if it hasn't already.

And yeah, where those things are going to go. So the question, the reason why I say that is that if Russia understands that and our relationships between North America and Russia and this advanced technology and if Trump has, President Trump has been briefed on this, it's a big concern, right, and where the world might go and how we're sharing technology and information if we have not already. So I was really proud that, you know, he, I'm glad. I'm so proud. And that was probably one of the reasons I would imagine.

I like to talk to George Knapp about that, why he put that forward. And I think that that was maybe one of the reasons why. But besides that, I think there were so many. We had obviously like people that were actively working right now. We have not had that. We've had people that have worked within government or have been served, have served, but not in like presently serving. So that was a first for us. We have an active, you know, someone actively in, in combat right now. And so I think that there's, there are so many moments where you're like,

this was really great. And, you know, for me, it's like the Super Bowl. I've like UAP, right? I call it game day, right? Because it's like so fun. But it is moving things forward still slowly, but they're moving things forward. The one thing I noticed, too, is a lot of the congressmen and women, there wasn't a lot of people there from that side. Yeah, it was pretty empty. It was pretty light. Yeah, it was pretty, pretty light. And I was sad about that for sure because, you know, let's be honest, there's a lot of other

issues going on in the world that are really important but need to be attended to now. But this is an important issue as well. So you would hope that there would be a few more bodies in the space to be able to take this seriously. And the reason why I say that is that it doesn't mean they're not taking it seriously. It just shows that they might not be, right? That's what it kind of looks like from my perspective. But yeah, there were so many of those nuggets.

I should ask you guys, what did you find to be the most relevant within the hearing? I mean, we talked a lot about NAP and the whole Russia thing, which I thought was really interesting. But I think, and I don't want to speak for you, Suzanne, but we did talk a majority afterwards about Dylan Borland, the actual federal whistleblower who, you know, came forward and said he has. witness the programs, the program, as it were, that has retrieved these things, or at least has spoken to those individuals who have a lot of, like, Grush said too. But yeah, yeah, his story about the triangle of Langley Air Force Base, he was so nervous testifying. Like, it just from a human level, he really stood out to me as like the reluctant whistleblower to kind of testify at something like this, because they're, I'm going to be honest, there have been

people who have testified at these hearings in the past where I was just like I've heard this all before like there's nothing new here you just want attention sort of thing um but with this hearing in particular it really struck me and I'm like this was a good hearing this is put together well the questions pretty on point um there was a clear goal of like showing the structure of coming forward as a whistleblower the risks that can be taken and just showing that these guys can be the example and empower more whistleblowers to eventually hopefully come forward. That is why we were told there were no first-hand whistleblowers

because they still aren't ready and willing due to the lack of protection. So I don't know, Suzanne, am I missing anything? No, you're not. I thought Dylan Borland was the jewel of that. but I also loved George Knapp because you got to see who he is. He is a bit of a wild man. You know, you just snatch off the cover page of a Russian classified document and you head home. He's not scared.

And I also loved seeing his vast experience on display. Right. You know, he does these segmented interviews with people, which are always good. But then I thought in that hearing we could actually see the benefit of all the historical work he's done. He was confident speaker and getting it all out there. There was a moment though when Representative Luna stopped him in his tracks and played a video when he was talking about Russia. And I had a moment where I was like, ooh, I don't know if that should have been done because I was like, that's his time. That's right. I was like, that's his time.

But she she ended up, thankfully, they ended up going back to the topic. And so I think he was able to sum up what he was thinking. But I did have a moment there where I was like, I don't know if that was good moderating. Yeah. Personally, because I was like, because I wanted to hear what the rest of he said. And he was like, she's like, well, we're going to play the video here, but it wasn't his video. So I think what she must have done was realize that the asset that was supposed to be played with somebody else's. And so she did it. And there was probably a reason why she did it to make sure it was on the clock as well. That was probably another reason why she knew. She was like, I have to get this in here or it's not going to be, you know, on the record, let's say.

So that might have been a reason. But I remember stopping because I was like, I want to hear what the rest of George had to say. Right. Right. I was like, please. And then, yeah, they circled back to it. One of the other congressmen, I believe, asked a question and circled back to it. And I was like, oh, okay, thank gosh.

And then he went, you know, George took that lane like he would as a professional. Of course. And went right down there and answered the rest of it. So I think he did a great job. out of all the journalists, I'm so proud of George Knapp for, like, you know, who's been on, right now we've only had three hearings, but he's, you know, he's brought so much history and so much knowledge and so much passion to the table. And I really respect that of what he did. He was a popular guy there. I mean, you even had some of the representatives being like, oh, I grew up watching this guy or listening to him on coast to coast. I loved it. Even one of the other witnesses, Wiggins, the Navy guy was like, I grew up watching George Knapp. This is crazy that I'm testifying before Congress about UFOs with him. Like, what a surreal world I would imagine for everyone in that room. Suzanne, did you want to cover the UAPDA stuff?

I know that's... Sure. You've been looking a lot into that. I have. I've been following this closely. Christy, it's my legal background. It makes me just get in the nooks and crannies of this thing, mostly with worries. And I wondered about your thoughts on the proposed UAPDA legislation,

particularly the element on imminent domain. Well, I think the intimate, I go back and forth with this. And I've asked other people's opinions in the beginning because I was like, I actually don't know to make my own opinion, which maybe sounds weird, but I was like, what is other people thinking? Because I wasn't sure how I felt with it because intimate domain sometimes is a good thing, right? It can be. But then ultimately, right, it can be, you know,

it wouldn't have like certain roads and certain socialist things. at least within Canada, if we didn't have a form of imminent domain, right? We wouldn't have a structure and infrastructure that we have. So that's where I was like, oh, but then I'm like, I'm not into this finders keepers thing, you know, as well. So I just, you know, I think I still go back and forth with it. I think that in a domain and people, the government owning UAP, no, because we can't foyer, obviously. We wouldn't be able to ask specific questions. I think that it's for the people.

It really is. But the thing is, intimate domain is supposed to be for the people, but that's not how it will probably work out. And that's the issue with imminent domain. And in theory, it would make sense, right? And it should in the way that it's supposed to operate, I believe. From what I know, again, I'm not a lawyer, but from what it's how it's supposed to operate.

But, yeah, I don't think that's going to be the case. So you can't have that. We can't give it to the government. We can't because it won't be forced. the people. They will probably hide it or they will protect it to some degree as well. And I'm not for contractors owning it as well. Like I'm not, I'm not for this. I'm not for Lockheed Martin or larger organizations owning these things or having, you know, it's just, but that the question is, is who gets to keep these things? And I would imagine it should be the academic community.

Couldn't agree more. And I think our concern about the effectiveness of imminent domain in this particular setting is based on literally decades of black boxing and disinformation. So I think if we were coming at it from a fresher start without this negative baggage, we might feel differently about how eminent domain would work. But I couldn't agree more. I just don't see it ever happening. I don't see even if it's in the hands of the contractors, them actually handing it over. and a friend of mine who is also a lawyer has been working on a registration act instead of an eminent domain act. And I wondered if you had read anything about that or had thoughts on just having these people register it, not having to turn it over. Oh, that's interesting. I've never thought about that.

Again, like I'm not a lawyer and I have not looked into that side of things. But registering is actually interesting because it would be registering to own or registering to say that they have the property. They would just register it. They wouldn't have to turn it over. There's no sort of a step one, what would happen first, identifying it in this registration act. And then we would have to work behind that about what it is and who gets to look at it and who gets to hear about it, those sorts of things. But asking them first just to come clean about what they have would be such a huge step. Oh, it would be a massive step.

Right. Again, like George Knapp goes on the record saying, Lockheed Martin, you know, has this technology is like, I just was like, yes. Yes, and he's not alone. You know, right. And I've literally, this is the funniest thing, you know, UAP is, they say like when you're in this topic, so many things just start to happen that are related to you. People see UFOs or they have different experiences.

For mine, it's been a government officials. And so, or people that work with government or worked in the Air Force. And to be honest, this has happened a lot of my life. A lot of people that work in the Navy, work in the Army, work within government, they fly a lot, right? And if you're flying in cities that they're flying to, you're end up more likely to be with them on the plane. But I was laughing because when I was flying back from Alabama, and I think I flew in from

Dallas, Alabama to Dallas, and then I fly back home or Chicago or something, I fly back home. But I ended up being on a plane and no joke, I'm sitting in the window and all the way to the other side, the person beside me, all the way to the. other side, the two other people in the window, I'm writing something probably about UFOs, or I'm writing notes on something related to UFOs. And the guy is obviously, he's dropping all my work. And he looks at me and he's like, what do you do?

And I said, oh, so I explained to him. And he's like, I work at Lockheed Martin. And I'm like, oh, no way. And so he's like, we all do. And they're all in the line. I started laughing. And I was like, oh, you all do. I said, oh, and so they started chatting.

Yeah, exactly. They're like, we work there. And I was going to say who, but they're like, and they were flying to Toronto. And so they were working with what Lockheedars Barn is working with government or other just contractors within Canada. But they said, we believe that we have reversed engineered. Like, we work there and we believe that. And I was like, okay. I was like, that's amazing.

So we've chatted more about that. I obviously can't say who. but they the group all all three of them were like yes we do think that's that's evident that's true whoa wow that reminds me like if you ever went to like i don't know a preschool class and it's like parent day and you just yell mom and you see how many women like react i want to like do that in front of a group of locking people and just go tick-tack and then see like if anyone's ears whose head turns on a dime great they're like what yeah yeah Exactly. And it's funny because I've met so many different government officials or people on planes.

But also, I love talking on a plane. I feel like one show I want to do is not driving in cars and talking and interviewing. Mine's on a plane. Like what people do you meet on the plane that just sit beside you and you start talking about their life? I've literally flew from England once with another guy. And I think we went through a therapy session for like five hours. You know, he was like, when I was a child, and I was like, we were just talking. But it was like, thank you. I was like, exactly, bringing the other round around. But it was just one of those things. And I do enjoy it.

Planes are like such an interesting place to meet so many wonderful people and interesting people, right? So, yeah. And I apparently, especially UFOs, yeah, and UAP related. But I've government officials, you know, they're out there flying on planes. That's how you bump into them inside of this topic. Yeah. Well, I mean, again, I know our time is limited. So I kind of want to get to all these key points with you, Chrissy,

because we've been dying to know Alien Encounters. Now, this is a show that you co-hosted with our good friend, Mitch Horowitz, who actually spoke at a nomicon this year and years past as well. How did this show come to be with Discovery? And, yeah, maybe sort of set the scene for us. You have like this kind of like you, it's one of the first. few shows to ever try to explain these things. I hate using the word debunk, but like, explain.

If you could find a prosaic answer to a UFO, boom, that's amazing. So like, yeah, how did the show come to be? And were there any cases that really, really stood out to you when investigating with Mitch on this show? For sure. So how it started was somebody asked me and like in the side of see my work and said, you know, we'd love for you to, to audition for this and like just do a, um, a couple of, call with producers to see if this would fit. And Mitch is more, most people follow Mitch Horowitz's

work. He comes from the occult side of things, right? That's really what he's a writer. He has been following it for so many years and writing about it. I look at things from obviously more of a science perspective and cultural perspective when I'm doing my writing at the debrief and the people that I know and also the media trends and the things that I've worked in in public relations. So I don't do this by myself. I work with a group of people that help me analyze this data because You can't do it. One person can do this. It's impossible.

You have to have a group of people. So they work with me and we look to not. And I think I'm okay with debunk, a skeptic I'm not good with because skeptics never really, they only believe what they feel and think and they never change their opinions. People that debunk don't really, they're just trying to show if something's true or not, right? So we are in a way debunking certain things, but then some things we can't debunk when it comes to UAP encounters. And so we're interviewing people that've had different encounters

from UAP experiences and just phenomena and different types of phenomena. And we interview them at Roswell, New Mexico, in the variety, which is one of their local bars, like literally a local hangout, which is such a cool space to film in and be part of as well, because it's like a local watering hole there. It's been there for so long. And I think it's actually the only bar that doesn't because to be a bar you have to serve food not sorry serve alcohol not food so the only place it doesn't sell food just alcohol so it's like legitly a bar so it's not like a restaurant it's a I have uh I've had some nights I'd rather forget at that bar but that's a story from for another time yeah that's fair enough I was having to PTSD during your show I'm not going to lie

oh really oh it's right and I know because it can be a rough place like it's not yes yes it be a very rough bar. It's not like... Rodgwick locals, you do not want to mess with those people. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it can be a rough space. So we end up, so we're filming there. And yeah, it was two weeks of filming. And we talked to like 30 different cases. Not all of them were shown.

But majority of them are, though. But the one case that I'd loved so much was the USO case. It was, you had such credible witnesses. You had both as Seaman and his wife, And he lives on the water. He's been on the water for majority of his life.

So he understands what he's seeing when it comes to things that are around him when he's like on his boat. And so his partner, he sees the UAP and above him. I believe he sees it comes out of the water. Don't call him. It's been a year and a half. So I might miss a few things again from memory. But he sees it comes out of the boat and he starts to film it, but it's a triangle. And it's hovering like above him.

And so we're watching this video footage. It's unbelievable. But then when ends up happening, is that his partner on the coast sees this over his boat and calls him and is like, what's going on? So you're getting this form of triangulation. And now the coast guards have said, I believe they see it, but if it's not the coast cards that see it as well, that we look into the coast courts and there's nothing that they're doing that is like, you know, explosions or when it comes to something in the air or flares, there's nothing to that. If anything, they were doing

low barge explosions on the water that day, but it didn't correlate. with the date and time and location. And so, you know, there's so many things that we're seeing here. It's like transmedium, right? And it's just there's, I believe he watches it moves. So we see the instant, instant acceleration. We're just seeing so many of these elements, you know, there is no signs of propulsion. We're seeing so many of these moments of like what we would look at the five observables.

And we're, I said to him after we were done recording, I was like, can we talk for a minute? And he said, yeah. And I said, I truly. Like after reading all of the analysis, I'm like, you saw something. Like you for sure saw a USO. Like it was, it was unbelievable. And I was, I was so, it was just such a great story. I wish we captured it a little bit more because they do talk about it in the show.

But I wish it was a primary, a little bit more of a primary story. But it was unbelievable. And he really did. And he was such a great witness. And she was. And you can tell that they, you know, they weren't lying. had the video footage and they're like, we see this stuff all the time. And it's, and mind you, forgot to say, it was a Catalina Island out of all the, of course. Of course.

Of course. Right. I forgot to say that. Right. So, you know, you're getting so much activity and historical activity out there. So it's just, yeah, it was, it was really great. And I've been meaning and I keep saying this every time I talk about this case, but to do more about it, because I do want to research it more and write about it just separately as a UFO case because it's just, it's really, really great. And I know a lot of people have asked me about it, too, when they saw it as well. Because they were like, that's an amazing transmedium story. I'm like, I know.

Well, so that's one of the good ones, like the ones where you were able to tell this person, like, yo, genuine UAP. But like, there are cases on that show that you found prosaic explanations for. So what was it like breaking hearts? I don't. Ryan, I'm not that person. It's killing me. It killed me inside in many different ways.

I want to try to punch you or like what happened. Well, I know. I said that to producers too because they were like, well, it's and I'm like, am I going to be protected? And so I'm put it this way. I'm okay. It doesn't feel good telling people something that obviously they don't want to know, right? Because, but here's the thing. I would rather tell somebody that.

what they saw was in a UAP and be the Simon Cowell of UAPs at that moment, right? So it felt like because I think it's healthier for people to understand what they saw is something that it wasn't because me lying to them and telling them what they saw is actually far worse, I think, for people's mental health. And so they might go home and be like, you know, I don't like, I don't like Chrissy for that and I might go look it up, but they might also think about it and go, oh, maybe I didn't see that. It doesn't mean UFOs don't exist. It means that it's a very, very small percentage.

You know, the longer I've been in this topic, I think it's less than 1% than people see UAP. So I think that's the part that I don't want to feed into someone's either, you know, it is not good if you're able to prove something. It's more important, I think, to be able to talk about that in a safe. space and to be able to sort through that data, then keep going along believing something that might not be true. I think that's actually worse for you. Again, I am not a psychologist.

I wish when people left the show that there was a psychologist there for them to talk to about that because there's things that are wrapped in with UAP. There's grief that can be wrapped in there. There's trauma that can be wrapped in it. So it's just more than UFOs, right? And that was really hard for me. the show was changing consistently as we were going along. So I didn't know that it was going.

Beginning it was when I was hired. It was just us listening to people's stories and talking about it. And then it came down to where we were analyzing more and then making a verdict. That was something that happened very last minute. So I wasn't really agreed with that. Let's just say when I got into the last moments of it because I don't think you can show a verdict. So personally, I was probably more of the problem child on set with producers because I would. didn't say yes to things, I would push back and say, well, right, because I'm, you know, I was like,

I care about Debbie's mental health down the road, right? I once remember, this is a TV show as well, right? It's not a documentary. It's a TV show. So you're going to have producers that will conflate certain things. But I did my best to be able to look through the data. And that's why it looks more like a debunking show, because half the time I would not say yes to things if I wasn't pushed to or push to say yes, but I would say no, because the dad is there. I'm not going to say something Starlink when it's obviously Starlink. Like, you know, come on. We all have, you know, we have my own reputation.

I have to protect my own work, you know, working in media. So that's also aspect of it. But really to the greater scheme of it and the geter of their scheme of it, the idea of it is that you want to be able to make sure that Debbie down the street understands how to maybe identify UAAP now, which would be great. But she also has her own experience as walks away with better understanding of herself and what she considers to be reality too. Yeah, you've strengthened the discernment of a UFO witness.

And I think that's really important because then, like you said, that 1% of UAP will inevitably happen to someone and there will not be an explanation. And it's good to know that there will be more discerning eyes out there rather than believing everything is alien or interdimensional or things like that. So yeah, I think that's really important. Right. And it helps us weed down to, we want to know what is not a UFO so that we can point to what is potentially UFO.

Like it helps us. I was trying to explain to producers on set because they're like, we want all like everything to pretty much be a yes. And I'm like, it doesn't work like that. I said, you have to reverse your thinking. I go,

that's not how that this thinking, I understand. And most, it's funny because a friend of mine said this to me when he watched the show recently, he's like, they make you more like a skeptic and you're not Chrissy. And I said, I know. I said, but the problem is, is that I'm not going to lie. Like, I don't want it to lie. So I have to be able to push back because it's not right for me to just go, yes.

You know, that's not right. Trust me, there is many different influences that happen when you're on a show like that and you're getting pressured in different ways. So some of the other choices I maybe have made in that show I wouldn't have said as much, but it's different pressure when you're working with, you know, entertainment and Hollywood and a TV show and multiple producers. So the best thing I can do is try to go forward with, you know, evidence. And so that's why I look so much more a debunking show because I just, I don't want to,

I don't want to conflate things as much as possible. And there's some things I obviously cannot answer, like none of us could. But when it's like prosaic explanations like start, or a satellite. Like it's a satellite. It's starlight. Well, and there was enough good, genuine U.S.A.

that you got out. Yeah, for sure. Suzanne, any last questions on Alien Encounter? I got one Patreon question, and then I promise I'll get you out of here, Chris. I do have a question, Chrissy. I'm such a fan of Mitch and really admire his work as well.

But I worry that you are being sort of placed in the continual pocket of being the bad guy. I wonder if you two ever discuss maybe switching roles every once in a while so he can do the hardcore fact checking and he can deliver some bad news as opposed to it just having to be you all the time. Bad cop, good cop. That's producers for you. They wouldn't let him. They wouldn't.

Get the women to be the bad guy. Of course. But I will say this. I'm actually really proud, though, that they at least most of the time when you do shows like this, they put the women in the side that's like the the side that's soft or you know only ask culture questions and doesn't look at anything from a science perspective so that narrative has shifted which was nice where they put me in a seat where I have more of the academic stuff behind me and the science behind me to be able to make a proper decision and so that I I respect that

because women don't always get those and you AP shows they don't always get that position so I'm happy that I am in that position and I'm okay with, you know, I don't, there's episodes I do not like and there's episodes I do really like, but I can't, I'm a talent on it. I'm not, you know, I'm looking, I'm not executive producing on it. So I don't have those choices. But in the end, I will say I'm happy where I stood in my position looking, using the science and the data because that's actually what matters the most is the science and the data. And people's testimonies, obviously, are data points and they mean the most because this wouldn't happen if we didn't have people experiencing it.

How could we know what we're analyzing if we didn't know people were experiencing these things? So first and foremost, they're important. But then secondary is the data to be able to look around it because that's how we get media and we get other scientists and other people in the world that don't follow UFO topic, interested in it because they find stuff that they can actually measure. So I'm okay with that. And it's and I will, you know, and that's what I have to do from a journalist's perspective. you have from a media perspective, you have to look at data.

You can't just always look at testimony. You can, but you need the data to support it, right? Yeah, it's got to be a communion, both of them to really get the answer. And people make things we all do. The best thing about journalism is that my job is to talk to people and to report data and findings. My opinion does not matter. And that's one thing.

My opinion on the show really doesn't matter. It's the data and the testimonies make that actually matter. So when somebody report something wrong, the best thing they can do is go back and re-report. That's the beauty of journalism, right? We're not perfect. But when you hold on to something and you won't let go because of your ego, if you've made a mistake, that's the problem. So, you know, and as one UFO show, hopefully this will lead me to do more things within the space that I can, have a little bit more ownership on.

Oh, yeah. You and I have been bouts in a show around for years now. It's going to happen. I have no doubt. It's the best premise I could think of. So, yeah, that's definitely to be continued.

But, okay, I got to ask you this before I let you go. Jesse on Patreon and I actually just read your article on NASA, this new controversy with NASA. And I'd love to get kind of your primary thoughts on where you stand on this. NASA is now being touted as an intelligence agency. What the hell is going on? Like, are they no longer space exploring or doing Earth science? Now they're like another spy agency. What is happening, Chrissy? Yeah, no, that's a great question. So they're under Title 51, which is related to space agency. But if they move to Title 50, that is under counterintelligence.

They haven't done that yet. So what this move is is a labor move for some, reason within President Trump. We'll see. Like we'll obviously keep abreast of it and like watch what's going on. But right now it's a labor move, probably so they can consolidate labor and also for them that they can't, people that are working at NASA might not be able to work with different labor boards. And that's a problem still on its own.

So people were protesting in front of the White House saying like, this isn't right, because it's going down the wrong road, first of all, right? So we do have to watch it because if it does move under Title 50, then it becomes not a public facing entity anymore. I believe it's still public facing because it's still under its space agency, but he's changing the title for the labor issues. But if it does move then,

we're not public facing, we can't FOIA. There's many other issues that come, you know. And then it's used for defense, right? That's the other thing. We're using satellites to be able to monitor what's going on from different counterintelligence. So it becomes a huge issue. It doesn't mean that that maybe hasn't been done already.

I know I don't know, but from what we know, it is a public-facing organization and agency. And if that changes, that changes how we get information. And it also changes how information is disseminated to us and through the media. And also it changes the whole tactics of what NASA is supposed to do. So we'll see. Right now it's just the start, right? But they haven't changed the title. They're still under, yeah, Title 51.

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But this would be, I think, a detriment in many ways for furthering our scientific endeavors. But you know what is what it is. Like you said, the story is just developing. But yeah. And I think they're going to, you know, there might be some things that NASA's done in the past that hasn't been the most upfront.

You know, Mike Gold, who was on the first UFO hearing, does speak about how NASA and everyone needs to be a little bit more upfront, right? He did kind of mention that. So I think that there probably has been past records and has been taken as seriously or if they has, maybe NASA hasn't been the most up front in the past. But I think in the most recent years, people that are working there are maybe not as prevy to what happened in the past.

So they wouldn't know. They're just going forward with mandates that they have now that are more transparent. That could be possible too, right? It all can kind of exist on its own. The question now is, what does NASA have that's records from the past that we don't know if they still have them. And moving forward, yeah, we have to watch that it doesn't change into, like, a full-on spy agency, you know, and it goes covert. Like, that would just be. We got enough of that. Yeah. Yeah. We don't need any, especially NASA. Like, let us keep NASA,

please. Just go to the mood again. Everything we have. You don't take that away from us. Yeah. I just want to see boots on the moon, please. I want to see what's been there since we last win. Well, and missions are still going forward right now. Like literally when I wrote the end of the article talks about how they were talking about what astronauts potentially will be going and what candidates will still be going to the moon. So like they're still actively doing things, but they're dealing with this in the background, which kind of sucks. It does. Yeah, like any other company. Always stuff in the background. All right. Last question. Max on Patreon asks, if you could sit down,

at dinner with one past or present UFO researcher, who would it be and what would you eat? Oh. Putting you on the spot. Donald Kehoe. Nice. Yeah. I actually, like, I love Donald Kehoe. Yeah.

I call him my UFO buddy. You know, he's like, I just, I have such a, I have, he's on our list to read, actually, for Project Book Club. I have not read his book yet. but I'm like it's it's on my to-do list but yeah Donald Kehoe you have yeah oh yeah right here nice here we go for anyone wondering don't he go the flying saucer conspiracy he is I would say one of the first whistleblowers ever when it comes to the UFOs he's yeah incredible good trust I love his passion yeah and I love the press conferences I just love Donald Kehoe I love how he's just like he just keeps fighting and he's just always pushing back by himself

you know, and you can see how hard he's trying to like get this through and how he's had so many obstacles, you know, it's just, yeah, I love Donald's. A lot to thank him for. What would you eat at that dinner with him? Max wants to know. Oh, probably some form of seafood or fish if he wasn't allergic to him. I love seafood and fish. Like oysters, like muscles, maybe throw on some lobster.

Love it. That's perfect. You go fancy. I love that. I love that. Awesome, Christy. Well, I know you've got to get going to another show. You're such a busy. I got to do my show. I haven't even been able to record my own show this week. You got to catch up. Yeah. Totally get it. Yeah. We're off to actually interview David Martler. So we will tell him you said hello. But let us know where we can find everything that you're up to. What do you got coming next for rebelliously curious and everything?

For sure. I interview someone from Dobbs. that's looking, we're talking about life after death, reincarnation, the University of Virginia that has the division of perceptual studies. That's what DOP stands for. So I have Marina, who is the assistant, oh my gosh, one of the assistant researchers, I'm forgetting her title. I'm sorry, Marina. But amazing academic that I met after I went to the Monroe Institute and had lunch with her

and a couple of other people that have worked at DOPS. So we speak about all the different findings and the work that they're working on at the, University of Virginia from like an academic perspective of life after death. So it's exciting. And she was one of the award winners for the Bigelow contest about five years ago. Oh, right. He was looking into life after death. Yeah.

So I'm, I, Marina is just a wealth of information. But if people want to watch that, that will come out in two weeks. They can go to my website is chrissynewon.com, but Twitter you can see is at Chrissy Newton. My Instagram is at being Chrissy Newton, or you can see all of my articles at the debrief.the debrief.org, but my podcast is rebelliously curious. So you can find that everywhere. YouTube, Spotify, and Apple. Yep. Anywhere you get our show, you can find Rebellisil curious. We'll have links in the show notes as well. Awesome. Suzanne, any last words for Chrissy? Nothing but thank you. We appreciate your time. I know it's been a week. Oh, God. I know we

all of us, but it's good to see you guys. It's so good. this year. You too. Chrissy, thank you for joining us once again on Somewhere in the Skies. Say hi to David Marla for me. Somewhere in the Skies is part of the Somewhere Podcast Universe. Please take a moment to rate, review, and subscribe on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. To learn more about all of our shows, visit thespu.com. Spectrevision Radio.

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