Somewhere in the Skies - Andrew Sanford: Flying Saucers v.s. The Half White Son of a Black Man

Episode Date: June 12, 2017

On episode 09 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, Ryan conducts the first in-studio interview with Andrew Sanford, host of the current events comedy podcast, Half White Son of a Black Man. Being a skeptic, Andrew comes on the show to hear some of the more convincing aspects of the UFO question. They also discuss the 1938 War of the Worlds radio broadcast that shook the nation, the Travis Walton incident, and the heavy power of belief. They round out the conversation with a light-hearted segment from Andrew's podcast called "Explain". It was a refreshing mash-up of podcasts, and certainly won't be the last we hear from the half-white son of a black man! Andrew Sanford is a writer/performer located in New York City. As a writer, he has written a full-length graphic novel called Gwendolyn that was published in 2014 and he has twice been a featured writer in the 2014 and 2016 ABC New Talent Showcases. As a performer, he has produced and starred in a host of online content and is currently hosting a weekly podcast called Half White Son of a Black Man. His work can be found at: www.halfwhitesonofablackman.com Guest and topic suggestions: [e-mail] Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Facebook Group: Click here Order Ryan's book by Clicking here UFOs: Reframing the Debate is available by Clicking here Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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UFOs reframing the debate. Available now in paperback and e-book on Amazon and at Barnes & Noble, the book depository, and the iBookstore. For a complete list of contributors and to learn more, visit robbie graham.uk. This is somewhere in the skies with Ryan Sprig. So you're probably wondering what that song was all about. Well, this episode is a mash-up of sorts. For the first in-studio interview, we are joined by my good friend and colleague,

Andrew Sanford. Andrew is a writer and performer here in New York City. As a writer, he has written a full-length graphic novel called Gwendolyn that was published in 2014. He has also twice been a featured writer in the 2014 and 2016 ABC Studios' New Talent Showcase. When he isn't writing, he is the host of the popular current events comedy podcast, Half-White Son of a Black Man. Today, Andrew and I have a lighthearted but deep conversation about the entire UFO and alien question. It was a refreshing and no-holds-barred discussion between a skeptic and a believer. Was one of us swayed either way? Find out right now. All right, guys, so this is a little different. We're going to shake things up this week,

and we're going to be talking to a buddy of mine, Andrew Sanford. This is the first studio interview we're doing. I've been listening to Andrew's podcast for a while now. I've been featured on it. One of the funniest things out there. Andrew, thanks for joining me today, my man. Thank you, Ryan. Would you sweet words as such? Would you sweet words?

Would you see the words that come out of your mouth? You're all nice and sweet. Thank you, man. You were actually on the second. I think I interviewed you on the second episode. I think you're right. And we talked about aliens. Yes, we did.

Yes, we did. I remember very specifically, actually, because it was something that I was very interested in, is there was something that happened at the time that I can't remember if it was debunked or it was just something that was just proven to be kind of like a hoax in general. And I was interested in your thoughts and how that affected you and how that kept you going as somebody who believes in this kind of stuff, when more often than not, we will hear stories that end up being false. Absolutely. How it is to keep hold.

then obviously nothing has stopped you since. So I think you're doing all right. Oh, thanks, man. I do specifically remember this was the Roswell Slides. Ah, yes. Which made that should have been a separate episode because I feel like that was like last year, wasn't it? It wasn't too long ago.

I feel like I brought you back on when that happens. Too many hopes is to count. No, that is a great point, though. And it's a testament to you. It's a testament to any researcher out there who's willing to keep looking at this topic. I won't say phenomenon, because that's completely separate from the topic, the subculture of uphology, the study of it.

You do. You run into hoaxes time and time again. When you're dealing with something so mysterious and just, you know, out there, people are going to take advantage of that. They're going to, there's no easier way than to take advantage of someone's beliefs. Right. And if they're willing to believe, they will do anything, including opening their wallets. And we see it time and time again.

It's sad. But we just hope that we can continue to do our own work and get the most credible cases out there. And there's tons of them out there. And, you know, it's sad that the ones that get the most attention usually are the hoaxes or the very sensational stuff. But I appreciate that. But we're not here to talk about me. And we're here to talk about you, man. Please tell people about your podcast.

It is called Half White Son of a Black Man. It comes out pretty regular. We're actually up to, we're on a nice, steady schedule. Recently, it's, let's see. episode 82 just came out. Wow. And I would say about six episodes, I took the format and shook it up a little bit. I needed a change.

Like, I remember at the beginning, I had an interview on every episode. And it was to interview actors who had day jobs that weren't your standard kind of day job, or just working actors in general. So then that led into, like, it was that with like a roundtable, and then I kept it just a roundtable, and it would be different guests every time. And now I have these same two guys who were two of my best friends, mckel page and geron young you can go to moonmont chronicle.com to check out mckel's stuff or you can look up geron young online he's a stand-up and mcale's a writer um i always joke that i purposely

have like one white guy one black guy on there to split the just so it's like having a little angel and devil on my shoulder but i won't tell you which one is which right um and i'm sure switch is for week to week absolutely yeah um so now yeah like i changed the format to add a little bit more improv in there. It used to be like very topical and topic based. Now it's just more fun and I usually bring on another guest and yeah, we just, uh, we do some new segments and then talk about some topical stuff, but, uh, it, that always skews towards the nerdy too. Like, I feel like I can't help like who I am as a person. You can't escape who you are. Yeah. Well, I had to at the beginning of an episode a few weeks ago talk about the fact that back girl, or that Josh

Weid was making a back girl movie or might be making a back girl movie. It's not even officially yet but it was so exciting that i had to i just changed the entire purpose of the podcast for the first five minutes to be like guys joss whitton back girl come on it's very stuff yeah you know in terms of who you are uh what's the name of the podcast half white son of a black man why why why why tell us why my father is african-american a little native american uh in there my mother is a honky um no i yeah it was That was a name that I came up with a few years, like a title that I came up with a, I would say even a few years before I started the podcast. I started the podcast in 2014. I think the name was something I came up with in like 2011 when I was thinking of like one man shows to do because I start like, I'm mainly a writer now and then I have the podcast, but I very much started my career wanting to be just a performer. So I thought like a one man show with that title could be fun. And then at a certain point I was like, I have to do something with this name because I really like it. And I was like, I could. brand myself with it a little bit. So now you can go to half-white son of a black man.com,

and I'm the guy that shows up. So Mission Accomplish. It's a really cool logo, by the way. The whole gang thing. My good friend Joe Cavatite drew that, who also drew my comic book, Gwendolyn, which is no longer publicly available. We had a publisher at one point,

and then we just parted ways, which happens. So I've been messing around with ways that it's... I'm pretty sure I'm just going to put it up on the website. at some point just so people can read it because I love it It was a labor of love and I even if I have become a better writer since then and I know Joe has become a better artist since then Joe's amazing but that book is all He worked his butt off Yeah it shows and it's painted and these whites and blacks and grays and I'm like my writing is okay in that book

It has made a million times better by how beautiful Joe's work is I cannot sing the praises of that enough it's phenomenal stuff It's a really cool book and I know we can not You wrote the intro for it. I did. Yeah. The forward as it were which was a complete honor. It was really interesting.

It follows this young girl and please forgive me if I'm butchering this but she was a demon. Yes. Technically she's about 225 years old. Her human body but she was possessed by a demon and it's this whole race of like demon children.

They can only possess people who are under the age of 11 because up until your soul is not fully developed. Sounds a lot like puberty. Yeah, right? Yeah. I was very, I'm always, I've always been obsessed with, like, adding mythology to things. So, like, for my first comic book, I was like, I want to do something that's steeped in its own mythology.

But my problem was, I was like, I'm not going to fill people in on that. They're going to figure it out by context clues. And it was a very much early writer's mistake of being, like, let's leave them in the dark. Let's treat them like mushrooms. They're not going to know nothing. Yeah. But it's still, yeah, it's still very funny. And it's about her.

She's been in a, the character's name is Gwendolyn. She's been in a self-imposed exile for about 100 years. And then there's this new creation, this new birth of another of her kind, which there also hasn't been for 100 years. It was part of the truth. And that brings her out of her exile. So that's, yeah, it goes from there. It's this mystery to find out how this birth happened and why.

And then it also tells the story of this character named Jerome, whose niece was kidnapped. And it's his story running parallel to Gwendolyn's. And yeah, it was a lot of fun. It was definitely, that's the most of one thing that I've ever written. Because there is, I wrote, we wrote the five of the first volume is about five issues. I wrote five, drew five. He actually drew six.

There is a sixth out there. We just never got, like, certain things held up getting it out there. And we also wanted to release the second volume as one piece as well. Right. But I wrote all 10 scripts. Like there was 10, like it's out there. And I tied it off at the end too. And there was, I always had these big grand plans.

Like, I love looking into the future, especially with stuff like comic books. And I always love people like Jeff Johns or Scott Snyder who can take something at the beginning of their run on like Batman or Green Lantern and have it tie all the way back like four years later. So that's, that was always in the front of my head when I was writing that book was I was like, what can I set up now that can come back later in a real satisfying way? Yeah. Who would you say is your biggest inspiration when it comes to your writing? Ooh. I know it probably varies from John Red or John. Jeff Johns is definitely up there.

I love Jeff Johns is... Jeff Johns is the first comic book writer who I ever recognized. It was one of these things where I was... I had a bunch of... I remember I mainly started collecting just, like, collections. Like, a lot of people will just call them graphic novels, but it's a lot of times, like, what people consider to be a graphic novel is issue 23 through issue 27 just collected in one

in one easy to hold collection so that's what I really started with because I was like oh we'll get these all the time and I started notice I was like oh I really like this book or this collection and this collection and I really like this one and I was like wait those are all written by the same guy and that just kind of started that there and he was like that was I love DC Comics and he was like DC's number one guy now I mean he's even more so of that now but this was at a point where he was writing

five comic books a month which is crazy I can't even imagine yeah it's and that's 22 pages a book completely different stories all tied to all these other things and that's why like he's

you know he's in charge of the movies now right so I love Jeff Johns and I've always loved Stephen King as well like comic book guys there's Jeff John

I could go on and on with different inspirations I get from different people Grant Morrison I always suggest to people because he's just weird it's just like it's just and so on a

bashedly like doesn't care just weird and they're doing he did this story called happy i feel like i'm rambling a little bit if i ever get once people get me started talking about comic books i will there's no escape just real quick yeah there's a book that he wrote that's called happy it's four issues it is sin city meets care bears and i it meets it's a wonderful life it's about this hitman who on christmas eve is visited by this little blue flying horse that is trying to get him to save this little girl it's fantastic it's only four issues it's so good and they're doing a TV show of it with Christopher Maloney for sci-fi. Oh my God.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. With one of the guys, one of the crank directors being the director and executive producer, the Neville Dean and Taylor. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's perfect. Comic books I can go all day. I love Stephen King. Stephen King, there's something about, A, he is always, for a man who seems like a pretty

regular dude who lived, like, you know, for all intents and purposes, a regular life, he was a school teacher and then just struck it big as an author. and has been writing since then and was, you know, arguably one of the biggest pop culture authors in our time. Right. And yet he still is able to get these emotions for people that, like, I don't know if he's ever met, like a little chubby 14-year-old that lived in Maine, or I don't know if he's ever met like a little boy who's in a giant hotel with his dad, but it's, you feel like he has. You feel like you know, he knows exactly what they're going through.

There's this emotion. There's also this crazy ability that he has, which is to, it's like a narrative stream of consciousness. It's like this mix of somebody will be talking, it will be from somebody's point of view, and then something will slip out in such this casual way that is such a deep, personal, in, like, thought, the kind of things that we never say out loud.

Right. And it's just in there just naturally for every character, and every time it is spot on as to what this person is probably thinking. And I just envy that to no end. Like, he's able to just happen into that. Every, I feel like the biggest note you can get as a writer,

or at least one that I often get, is that somebody will see one character in something that I've written and like, I feel like you like that character a lot. You should put that love into the other characters that you have. And sometimes it's, you know, even doing

that will, can only accomplish so much. Stephen King loves every single character that he writes and it shows in the way that they're presented. It's crazy. Yeah. So, yeah, those are definitely up there on my influences writing-wise. I'd say those are some really good choices for sure. Well, writing has always been something that you and I have related on and we had in common.

But, you know, there are things that set us apart. We have comic books. We have theater. We have writing. I have always been obsessed with UFOs, with aliens. This is a parent. I have a podcast. I wrote the book.

We could go on for days. but we've never really sat down and had a discussion on this topic as friends, as colleagues. So I kind of wanted to do that today. So if you're up for it, man. Let's do it. I'm all about it. I'm all about it. I'm excited about this.

Because I am a willing skeptic. I would love to believe a lot of different things. Like I was raised Catholic. I'm no longer Catholic, I would consider myself. I would not, agnostic and atheist and all these. different things. Like, I think agnostic is the one where you, I would be open to the idea of there being like some kind of higher power or something different out there, but there's just nothing for me that has proven that yet. And the same could be said for UFOs. And also another

thing that we talk about often, which is the paranormal. Because there are certain things that I almost feel like, and I feel like I might be, if I'm jumping ahead, please feel free to stop me. But I, um, when it comes to things like crypto zoology, I don't consider. to be crazy at all. I would believe a Bigfoot or a Loch Ness monster way before I would believe a possession or an abduction. And that's just

how I am. But it's, I would want to. And then there's things like with what happened with Jupiter. I don't know when this will be coming out. Who knows things could have changed by then. But we're finding water and moons on the moons of Jupiter that could sustain life and stuff like that. So hey, you know what? If that

changes, I'm out of here. Whatever. That's, I lose. willing, I am willing to believe, but nothing has pushed me over that plateau quite yet. That's, that's, that's, that's a good point. The, the idea of, uh, a more scientific approach to this, you know, the idea that there could be some sort of single-celled organism or a bacteria on the water, on a moon. Okay, let's go from there. That's an extremely, uh, scientific approach to looking at the extraterrestrial, uh, possibility. Uh, but many people here on earth believe, that they have either personally been visited by some sort of non-human intelligence,

or that whatever these UFOs are flying around, that they are, in fact, extraterrestrial. So there is this huge dichotomy between the hardcore believers in the UFO phenomenon being ET, and those who are willing to say, no, yeah, there's got to be life out there. Mathematically, it's a given. So to tow that line, I think, is very important, first of all, remaining an objective, and to always have your eye on that scientific approach to it. What it comes down to me to is human beings love to feel special. We love to feel special.

We were modeled after God's image. We have domain over the animals and the fish in the sea, and we are the divine human beings. So, of course, alien life must be interested in picking up our least important people in the country and studying them for several minutes. And I forget, I feel like this was like a quote that was used for a movie, but it is like an actual quote, but it's just like... The quote is something along lines of either there is no other life in the universe or there is and they want nothing to do with us. Either one is equally terrifying. Yes.

my thing is it's like why would we be abducted why on this backwards divided planet what would some other race who has the ability to travel the stars

want to do with us what it's a really good question I would believe in life on other planets sooner than I would believe that they would give a shit about what we're doing yeah

there's another. I would be perfectly willing to accept the fact that there is, of course, there's other life out there. Of course. There has to be. Just, like you said, mathematically, there just absolutely has to be. It could be nowhere near us, but it's out there. But it transcending time and space in a way that you're either following the Independence Day model and it takes them 25 years each cycle to get to where we are, or they are able to do it so quick that it takes them like, maybe a couple of hours or even a year? Like to travel late years in a year? That's crazy.

So why? Like, why us? Why? What? What? That's a good question. And, you know, that's where the whole idea of this phenomenon. And if they are here and they are quote and studying us, why are we so important?

What makes us integral to them coming, these vast distances, breaking every, rule of logic and physics that we feasibly know of on our planet to do that. And many people believe that this entire idea of alien visitation is a anxiety. It's a fear of another. It's also in absence of belief in possibly a higher power, a divinity. This is now the replacement for that. When people have lost all hope in God, in their life, a lot of people will search for something else. And there are many, you know, psychoanalysts who've really looked into this. And they believe that the whole flying saucer phenomenon came around back in the 50s, the late, excuse me, early to late 40s. Okay. You're looking at post-World War II. Everyone has these post-war anxieties of what comes next.

You know, all this evil we just saw throughout the world May have been vanquished, but when will it come again? So then this sort of manifests and manifests into different things. Who's going to be the next enemy? And that's what the idea of the other comes about. And it's such an evil, such an evil that is almost cartoonish. Adolf Hitler did, committed abominations, atrocities, like things that were maybe like seen and done before,

but on that grand askin, and with that kind of confidence, you could argue that the only way to be able to deal with something like that actually happening is to believe in something even worse. To believe that something could be happening. Because the Holocaust was out of people's control. It was one of the first times where we get to see these horrible things happening and we over here and we are all the way over here with very little recourse.

We eventually went in and helped. but it took like a military movement. People went to war. People died to stop this evil. It was a clear cut. These are the bad guys. We are the good guys because they are murdering innocence. That is a, that messes with your head.

That can shift around your beliefs, what you know, what you think you know, what you don't know. Like everything changes. So the idea that they could be so warped that they have to believe like, no, I can't even deal with what is on this planet right now, this was something else. This was from somewhere else. This is some other. So this is around the 40s and 50s,

the flying saucer stuff started, right during the Red Scare. Absolutely. Yeah. So that, like, the whole idea of an invasion of sorts. Yeah, because isn't that pretty much what invasion of the body snatchers is a metaphor for?

It's a communism. Many of the early B-sci-fi movies, as they call them, we're a direct. commentary on communism and the scare of, not only the red scare, but the idea of these weapons being built that were so technologically advanced to what we knew before that they could wipe out the entire planet. Right. Yes, absolutely. You're really similar to now. Yes, and that is where things get concerning. That's when I start to understand why they would want

something to do with us because we were capable of that kind of destruction. But even then, It's just like, let them destroy themselves, and we'll come in and pick up the pieces. I think if we're ever to be visited by alien life, we will be long gone. Many people believe. We're a risk. I've seen the Day of the Earth still, both versions, and we do not handle that very well. That is a good point. I mean, a lot of people believe that the first time, you know, putting aside the entire idea of ancient aliens.

Arrival, man. arrival, I think, nailed it beautifully. This idea that our first atomic bomb, when it was detonated, was literally a beacon to any life out there. Look at what that little thing off the distance that we never bothered to even

look at. Look at what they just did. Yeah, exactly. That thing could be seen from space. And then 72 years later, we're like, let's fire up the Tessoract, too. Boom, another beacon just starts calling out. Thanos is like, oh, they think they're power. Sorry. Yeah, that's it.

Once again. He slips into comic books, I have to apologize. It happens so easily. But, well, let's talk about that idea of invasion of another. There's something we've recently been talking about, that you personally found a interest and really excited me, because it's something I haven't thought about in a while. War of the Worlds, man. Yeah, the radio program, not just the book, not the classic piece of literature, but a radio presentation directed by and starring one Orson Wells. Broadcasting system and its affiliated stations present Orson Wells and the Mercury Theater on the air in the War of the World by H.G. Wells.

We know now that in the early years of the 20th century, this world was being watched closely by intelligences greater than man's, and yet as mortal as his own. We know now that as human beings busy themselves about their various concerns, with infinite complacence, people went to and pro over the earth about. about their little affairs. Serene in the assurance of their dominion over this small, spinning fragment of solar driftwood, which by chance or design man has inherited out

of the dark mystery of time and space. But yeah, it was a radio broadcast of War of the World that the first, I think, the first two segments were done like actual news bullets. Yes. Of an alien invasion. It was so well done.

as we'll get into, that it very well could have been happening. Yeah, and it freaked, it's debatable about how many people it freaked out. And I love, I think there was, maybe you had, because I know you said you pulled some quotes, but there's something Orson Welles said, or no, there's something H.G. Wells said, because at one point him and Orson Wells finally sit down to talk about it years after it happened. Happened in my Massachusetts coming out. And he says something along the lines of, you know, like, it's just like when somebody sees a ghost, there's still like you see a person in a sheet and you know it's a person in a sheet but you still like you know you act scared and you run away and stuff like that he's like that's what was the reaction to people hearing war of the world

well with me if they talk him wait a minute something's happening hump's shape is rising out of the pit and then make out a small beam of light against a mirror what's there there's a jet of flame springing from the mirror and at least right at the advancing men he strikes him head on Lord, they're turning in a flame. How the whole field is caught it by the woods of fires, the gas tank to the automobiles, spreading everywhere. Coming this way now, about 20 yards. The enemy's now inside above the palisades.

Five people in the streets see it now. They're running toward the East River, thousands of them, dropping in like rats. Now the smoke's spreading faster. It's reached Times Square. People are trying to run away from it, but it's no use. They're falling like flu.

They knew, but they still, like, it's part of a... It's part of, like, it's part of the fun. Right, this was broadcast on Halloween, if not many people knew that. But, yeah, this idea that there was, like, a third of the listenership who genuinely, believe this was an alien invasion happening, the rest of the people who were tuning in sporadically throughout the broadcast, they thought it was either some sort of natural. natural catastrophe happening or the Germans. So, I mean, again, you know.

I was about to say that I didn't even, I don't even think the attack on Pearl Harbor had happened yet when this broadcast had happened because. Right. Oh, wait, no, it couldn't have that because this broadcast was like 1936 or something like that. Hitler was actually still empowered. Right. Yes, yes, yes. No, I'm thinking of the, when they sat down later on, they were discussing very specifically

because H.G. Wells brings up the fact that Britain and France were actively fighting in World War II when those two men sat down. We had not yet joined the conflict. Right. So it's very much like, oh, yeah, war is, you know, war is just some spectacle until it's at your door stuff. Exactly. That's a good point. I know H.G. Wells, when they did meet up, he said, you aren't quite serious in America yet.

Right. This is the exact quote. You haven't got the war right under your chains. And the consequence is you can still play with ideas of terror and conflict. It's a natural thing to do until you're right up against it. So yeah, you hit it on the head. And a fun little, people who really understood that, a fun little side note is the writers of Superman at the time

because if Superman ever punches a Nazi, I think it's maybe in like one cover of some issue or maybe it was just on the cover or it was never a story because they were just like, it's insensitive to have this guy go, you send Superman over to Germany, World War II was over in 10 minutes, but then it's still there the next day when you wake up.

Yeah. So it's true. Like we're not always, America's not always the best with that stuff until it's happening to us and then we're like now wait a minute yeah this is not to joke about this is a serious thing that we were joking about last year well i mean let's you know the broadcast aside it was interesting it you know there is a lot of controversy on you know did people people actually like leave their homes did people actually commit suicide thinking this was the end of the world that's all up for debate you know there's been no irrefutable evidence that these things happened

and apparently it was greatly exaggerated, but people did panic. A lot of people called CBS, the phone lines at CBS were ringing off the hook. Like, that is proof enough in itself. And this is a time when it's not like somebody was like, oh, change the channel. It's like if you change the channel,

you got three other radio stations to listen to. That's it. It's this one, and you can listen to a little orphan Annie. Take your pick. Well, and, you know, even Orson Wells, he admitted, like, we do these kind of shows all the time. Why is this the one that everyone's, Yeah.

Freaking out of it. He said, the technique I used was not original. It was not even new. I anticipated nothing unusual. So then people asked, you know, do you think you should have toned it down a little bit? You know, the language, the brutality going on in this alien invasion. And he said, no, you don't play murder in soft words. That was a beautiful quote.

He's the best. He's the best. Anybody at home, if you know who Orson Wells is, if you don't know who Horace and Wells is, go on YouTube right now and type in Orson Welles drunk and watch him do a commercial for champagne in the late 70s

Al Mons champagne and he is wasted It's one of the funny It's only like a minute and 30 seconds We'll watch it after we're done Okay One of the funniest things I've ever heard My entire life

Oh God He's just out of it And this is a man Classically trained actor One of the best actors that ever lived created what a lot of people consider what it'd be the best to be. At least even if people will say like, oh, well, it's not the best

film anymore. It changed, Citizen Kane changed the way movies are made. Just like Avatar. Yes, I'd just put Citizen Kane and Avatar on the same same little line. Hey, you know what? That's the thing, guys. I love Her Locker. Avatar changed the way movies are made. We do CG differently

now. We have those awesome planet the apes movies now because of Avatar. That's a good point. Yeah. But yeah, War of the Worlds is something where it's... One of the reasons I wanted to bring it up is because at the time, all it took was there being one outlet for how people received entertainment at home. And something that was not necessarily new,

but people were still getting used to a little bit. Something like the War of the World's scare could happen now, just as easily. All it takes is one Facebook story to start trending for some reason, because some jerk thinks that it would be funny to throw different sources behind this and different people just not reading and just clicking and blindly being susceptible to whatever is thrown in front of them. And it could happen just as quick. Yeah.

Because people don't do research. Because there are things that are happening now that are way more important than something that if there was an alien invasion, we'd know. Or at least if there was a large scale, what happens in lore of the world, so the giant ships coming down. somebody would see something like there are these armada of ships. There are things like that

that you wouldn't necessarily see, but you still shouldn't just believe just on face value that people do no research into. And that's, and no matter what political line you follow, there are people that just don't do the research. Yet another reason why I don't think we'd be

visited by aliens anytime soon, and another reason why I think that something like the War of the World's fiasco could happen now. Let me ask you this. When you have the U.S. government who back in the 50s were officially investigating the UFO phenomenon, sending people out to meet these people, write up reports on what they'd seen, finding any scant evidence that they could of what these things were.

And then, I'll tell you this, coming to the conclusion, that the most likely scenario is that it was alien, that whatever was going to be, going on was extraterrestrial. This was their official stance on it. It was then stamped down by another committee who said, no, we can't put that out to the public. There'll be mass hysteria. We can't say that things are visiting this planet. What do you make of actual historical documentation that the government once said that this is most likely extraterrestrial? I value information and I value education and people who are educated and are smart and there was there are times when our government is very much run by smart

intelligent people there are also times when our government was doing things like outlawing marijuana because black people it made black people violent and outlying um making like saying that a white person can get married to a black person because i the loving that case like i if it was 50 years ago my mother and father could not have gotten married right 50 years that's it and that's right around the that this committee of people went out and interviewed a bunch of people in Roswell and went like, well, if they're saying it's aliens, it's probably aliens. By the way, keep that black person away from my water fountain. I don't want any germs.

Like, it's, that's where it starts to get tough with me, is I, especially at the time, I would be more apt to believe something like that now because I believe that our science has advanced in such a way that I would probably, like, I believe there's more of a way to prove that. this was at a time when they were G-Men. It was all dudes and suits who went to church every Sunday. And while that honestly puts a little bit more in the favor of if they thought they saw something that it must be true because they weren't just going to believe anything willy-nilly,

there's also an aspect of religion that does make people believe stuff really willy-nilly. So it's, I would call myself a doubting Thomas when it comes to a lot of this stuff. I have to put my hand in the wound. Like there is, human beings are foul. to a point where it's even if there is a committee of 50 men back in, when did Roswell have it, 52? 47. 47.

I was going to say 57. I was close. Give a take 10. Yeah, give a check 10. Yeah, it's just tough for me to believe that when we were behind in so many other basic ways at the time. When we were still 47, we had just gotten finished locking up people from Japan. Yeah.

on our own borders, American citizens, because we thought that they might be directly connected. And that's, don't get me wrong, that's a deeper fear, but that's still just a, it's hard to trust the same people who are doing that when they say, oh, well, this might have been an alien invasion.

What if they wanted us to be scared? And that's, don't get me wrong. I'm not a big conspiracy theory guy, but at a time where you're trying to make people, when you realize that nothing has gotten your country together yet like, a war with another power with an outsider, I would try to drum

something up. It's like, all right, what's the next bad guy? Let's try aliens. Didn't catch on. Fine, communist. Absolutely. A lot of people believe that the Roswell case, whether it was a crashed alien flying saucer or not, the day the headline came out

about it, it was they found a flying saucer, something from space. The next day it was retracted, and they said it was nothing but a weather balloon. That's since been debunked, But... What is a weather balloon? Oh, that's a good question.

In all my research, especially in DeRonzo, I still don't know. Oh, wait. I think there's definitely a weather ballooned episode of Simpsons where the media are coming down. So I have at least, I have some tacit understanding. I'm glad your education comes from lovable. Oh, buddy. I put deodorant on my undercarriage because of the Simpsons, and I didn't even realize that for like seven years. Well, you know, the Simpsons get it right every time.

Let's be honest. A wonderful X-Files episode I had, by the way. But back to Roswell. A lot of people believe that a lot of these things were top secret projects. Maybe what crashed in Roswell was a spy satellite from a neighboring enemy country. So if people are out there believing this was a UFO of extraterrestrial origin, they're not going to be thinking, oh my God, a spy satellite from the Soviet Union crashed here. It made it here.

Oh, my God, we're going to be invaded by them. No, let's let them think it's little green men in space, you know. So it really is a big mixed bag of disinformation and persuading the public to believe one thing over another. Whether or not you believed that we landed on the moon, I do think that there's way more to support the fact. that we did that there is. Agreed with that. That didn't just happen overnight. There was a space race.

Don't get me wrong. But there was a period of time where that was something that we were actively pursuing. And it is arguable that in the late 40s, we could have been trying some things that probably would have freaked people out and were also trying to send people into space. And it's something like that

that could have just spread all over the side of the hill. And, you know, it's that not working, which is why it took a whole 20, another 20 years to get a manned rocket that we shot into the sky. Like, that didn't just happen yet. So it's definitely something where I, yeah, I would just believe, I would believe human error quicker than I would believe any kind of intervention, an outside intervention, because it's just so, it just seems so, like, bland or, like,

blase are unimportant. Like, with the things that, from what, it's not like a skyscraper has disappeared or like an entire town has disappeared or like it's always one person who was stolen in the middle of the night and then brought back

why? Like that's what I always come down to. It's the why. When the why becomes more obvious, then I'll even start to entertain some more ideas. But I've yet to get a good why. I can completely understand that. I have interviewed

hundreds of people. Absolutely. Absolutely. Everything from seeing a small blip in the sky that was probably a star, was probably Venus, it was probably a drone at this point in 2017, or they claim to have been abducted by aliens. Now, that spectrum is huge between seeing a light in the sky and saying you were taken by aliens. As a researcher, however, my job is not to judge the person by the story. Of course not. It's to hear the story out and relay that in the most objective way I can, keeping the possibility open. Now, I'm not out to instigate this and say, oh, it's a Venusian from this planet with blonde flowing hair.

They're here to give you the cure for cancer or to bring you to their planet to plant your human seed. You know, these are things that I can, I can, I can. wholeheartedly admit are too far out there. The possibility of people being visited by something and being taken, I'm open to that being possible. Whether or not it's a physical phenomenon is a completely separate thing. Sure. Could this be happening in their mind?

Yes, I do believe so. And I don't mean in the terms of being delusional or making it up. But a lot of these people firmly believe these things have happened to them as vivid as the memory might be or the memories regressed through some sort of hypnotherapy. They're astounding. And they're happening all over the world. And you have to think about when the abduction phenomenon came into its prominence. This was back in the late 70s, early 80s, maybe.

And there were many cases before that as well. It's before the internet. So you have to wonder how these strikingly similar stories were happening. all over the world, from Australia to Japan to here in the United States to Canada. And these people have never met. Entertainment at this point was not feeding them these stories. A lot of Hollywood were getting their subject material from these people, from case reports from Project Blue Book, this project I told you about, that the government did.

See, you do have to wonder, was this some sort of hysteria that just snowballed from there? but that always astounded me that people from all over who've never met are having these extremely connected experiences yeah and it's I mean the mind can do interesting things

I'm not saying immediately like oh well clearly it's all their heads but there is something to be said for there are like there's the idea of you know most religions have angels across the world most religions have something that something divine that comes down from the sky and that could mold and roll and snowball over the years

and all of a sudden it's not something divine that's coming out of the sky, it's something bad that's coming out of the sky, or it's something good that's coming out of the sky, or it's just something that's from above that is coming down and affecting us. So what you do is no longer in your control. It's the same thing for me for like demon possession. It's just like, oh, the devil made me do it,

an alien made me do it. I don't usually act like this, but I got abducted. It's an excuse in a way to... And it's something I, you know, I make excuses for myself all the time without realizing that I'm doing it. Human beings need to excuse if they feel like they're not doing something that they should be doing or they're doing something that they shouldn't. There's... I feel like it's almost an instinct to want to be like, well, I'm having chips tonight, but I'll probably have a salad tomorrow. Or like, I'm going to, like, you know, I'm going to have...

three drinks tonight, but I'm not going to drink for the rest of the week. Like, it's excusing certain behavior. And when it's something that's belief-based, the excuse becomes not only more viable to yourself, but it becomes more, you're more likely to get beliefer from others. Like, there's this shared hysteria, like, with Randy Quaid and his wife. Randy Quaid and his wife both believe that the same people that killed Heath Ledger are trying to kill them. and they've been around each other so long that like there's and i forget i'm sure there's an actual

medical term for it um but it is this kind of like shared psychosis so that kind of stuff is possible it is interesting of course that there's like the stories could happen all over the world but i think that's also like a fun study into how we all aren't that different and there are certain things throughout the world that we could just be affected by on a base biological level like how majestic a bald eagle looks like something flying through the sky is majestic that will seep into your brain and could come out in other ways

or you know people could be getting abducted byel and then you have this whole idea of a phenomenon that things are happening around the world at the same exact time with absolutely no communication you know they say that alcohol was created at different

parts throughout the world Yeah, there you know. These people have never met. But at the same collective moment in time, they all were like, ooh, this makes me feel good. Yeah, yeah. This makes me lose my inhibition. I don't, I can do whatever I want tonight and not have to remember it tomorrow, you know. So you have to wonder, you know, is this some sort of, I don't want to say fate or destiny,

but the idea that things can happen in synchronistic terms all over the world at the same time. And is the abduction phenomenon part of that? Or let's take a mass UFO sighting, for instance. Something like in 1997, the Phoenix Lights incident, thousands of people witnessed a triangular formation of lights in the sky. Massive, huge. People got video, this, that, this that. We won't go into the case history because most of our listeners know about it.

But while all these people were seeing the same thing, when they would describe it to people, all of their stories were different on what exactly they were seeing. So that's when perception... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. While this may be happening in real time and a million people, you know, a thousand in this case, we're seeing it, they're all saying it was completely silent. While the other person is saying, it was so loud, or it was going really fast.

No, it was hovering. You know, it's fascinating. Whatever these things are, they're having a different effect on people. and the perception of what's happening is different too. Totally. No, and I think what's interesting about that too is it's something that is a constant for human beings. And it's something that only kind of grows stronger. It's actually, it's funny now that I was thinking about this a second ago, like, it's funny to me that there haven't been more.

Like, we live in a world where there are people, we have flat earthers again. We have flat earthers again. Let me just, we have flat earthers. We have people that believe that the world is flat. Could you repeat that? We have flat earthers. Okay, thank you. Yes.

Like, that's bonkers. And yet, I'm not seeing nearly as many celebrities going, I believe in aliens anymore. Like, that's, what's weird to me is, like, now at a time where everybody has cameras and, like, it's not just, like, grainy, shaky footage, there's nothing. It's a very, very good argument. Like, at a time when we only, like, you, at a time where it's, like, you know, you couldn't really fake a photo unless you're really, really, really. tried. There was I feel like it was rampant with Bigfoot sightings and Lachnoster sightings and UFO

videos and photos and all this stuff and now people have drones and gopros and all this stuff and nothing. It's a very good argument. A lot of people argue that these things are so elusive and so advanced

that as we progress with our own technology, they're always a step ahead and remaining elusive. But then you got to think, do they really care about one person on the ground with an iPhone being like, oh, I got you? You know what I mean? I will say

I am having a fun time imagining just a gray sitting in a circle and shit like, oh, they finally got iPhones like 500 years late, but whatever. All right, well, I guess we'll just throw off the cloaking device. Well, yeah, you got to reboot it. I don't know. I didn't know it was going

to take them this long to figure this out. I know we've moved on, but this is the only thing we have to walk from iPhone. When we crash and Roswell and gave them this technology of the iPhone. It took them this long. Are you kidding me? A lot of people actually believe that, Andrew. Hey, no. Like, that's, it's

especially with, like, iPhone technology and stuff like that. It's insane. It's insanity. We have mother boxes in our pocket. There's a comic book reference for you. We have mother boxes. We have, science fiction is becoming

science fact more and more and more. And it's still, something where it's all, what's interesting about it is it's still man-made. Like most of the advances that we have are still man-made, and yet, we can do something as phenomenal as make an iPhone, but we can't possibly make a crystal skull or the pyramids or Stonehenge or any of that stuff. That was all aliens. I assume you're not an ancient alien theorist. Not particularly.

Let's give humans some credit. Yeah, well, not even let's give humans some credit. Let's give slave owners some credit. And that's the only time you're going to ever hear me say that phrase. If you do not care if the person that is making your pyramid eats or sleeps or dies, you're going to get it done pretty quick. It's going to work out. You're going to find that these people are capable of things that nobody thought humans were capable of.

Because they sleep on each other and they don't get to bathe and they don't get to eat regularly. And they die all the time being crushed by giant rocks. And then it was probably just a process of elimination. It's like, oh, five people couldn't lift that rock. Do ten people. Nope, that didn't work either. All right, 20 people this time. Like, that's what happened.

It was like, it's not like they had the pyramids done in like a week. 40 years. Like, generations built the pyramids. Right. And died building the pyramids. It's a really good point. The crystal skull stuff, too, is just like, that's, it's, it's, that one, I can kind of understand because of like the smoothness.

people always bring up how smooth they are and stuff like that. But it's still like people, human beings are able to do some amazing things. They are incredibly capable when there is, when ego is removed, when drive is removed, not necessarily drive, but like when this idea that to succeed necessarily is kind of removed. When you're just doing something to do it, man is capable of a lot. Right. So yeah, no, not an ancient aliens guy. It's completely fun. It's always, it all, yeah, I, yeah. The fact that that television show has been on for like 12 years now.

Because it's, you know what, it's fun. It's fun. It's the thing. It's entertaining. And it's another thing where it's like, ironically enough, and this comes back to my humans want to be important thing. We want to be special. We want to be better than everybody else or everything else. so of course we've been visited by aliens in the past but what's ironic about that is

I would argue that we are much more special having been able to do those things ourselves with no alien assistance but to insinuate that the aliens went down there to jumpstart our civilization or something levy is quite a bit of importance against our race which I don't think that we are necessarily like that's that's bonkers

that's like 3,000 years ago 3,000 years ago, there was somebody that was capable of traveling here, they would owe us at this point. That's a good point. You had to wonder why, like, if they were visiting us so often during the time of antiquity...

So long ago! Why have they not intervened since? Yeah. Especially when they know that we're now capable of wiping out the entire planet in a heartbeat. Maybe that's part of their plan. Maybe they gave us the nudge at the beginning,

you know, into the deep end of the pool, and now it's let's see how they fend on their own. Maybe it's the grandest social experiment. Maybe we are a reality show for this galactic network. But even that, and it comes back to like religion or anything else, it's giving us a reason for being. I agree. Which is comforting, of course.

But guess what? There might just not be a reason that we're here. There might not. We're just here to be here and to live and to exist. And like you said, whether there is a reason, daily life or not, that question of why we're here is the most terrifying of all. Yeah. Yeah. Because there's... Yeah. Because they're just... At least for now, there isn't one. Yeah. There is no answer.

This is where religion comes in. This is where... Exactly. It's all to comfort people. It's all to be like, well, especially people who may or may not be special. Yeah. Like, that's... Or even just arrogant enough to think that they're special. Like, anybody who just kind of goes about their day-to-day life and is just moving through the day, it's very easy for somebody like that to be like, oh, well, I can give all of this to a higher power and I'll get rewarded for that at some point, or things will be different, something will change. And it's enticing and that's exciting, but it's also just very easy to fall into that trap and to then your life kind of, to an extent, arguably, I'm not here to come in and shit. I, like I said, I was really,

raised Catholic and I am very confident that I turned out to not be a jerk because I was raised with a set of morals that were instilled in me. Whether or not I believe the other aspects of that now, it doesn't matter to me because I know that I am a good person and actively trying to be a good person. But it can also have a negative effect and it can make people close-minded and it can make, and that can be said about any belief system. Is all of a sudden other things, have to not be true for your thing to be true. And that's where it becomes problematic. And that's the same with aliens or demon possession

or religion or anything like that. That I always come into trouble with is it's like something suffers for one belief to continue. Something else has to. Like there was like if you, if you are a Catholic or Christian, you have to believe in the devil. You have to believe in demon possession.

There's no ifs, or butts about it. To believe in God is. to believe in the devil and to believe in demons. So then it's just like, well, to believe in alien abduction, while there are some things that have been proven to be a hoax, and this is where it could get tough as well, and this is where I admire you greatly, because, like I said, your resolve does not dissolve.

You have, there's an extent where you almost have to believe anything that isn't a hoax, because it's one step closer to making what you believe be true. It's one more thing that you, there's one more notch. It's like we're one step closer because this happened. This thing over here, not true, but this fiery triangle, thousands of people saw it, were one step closer. It didn't get proof. Everybody's stories are different, but everybody saw the same thing.

That's a win. And that's something you have to stick by. That's hard. And it could also mean that you have to, even if something sounds so unbelievable, so crazy, because it hasn't been disproved, you've got to go with it. Some of these stories I've heard, when I'm writing down notes about what people are telling me, the inherent need as a writer to want to edit immediately.

Because you run into this problem of if I'm going to be a journalist on this topic, I want my readers to come away believing it. Right. You know, like maybe that's your goal. Maybe that's your objective is to maybe not change something. someone's mind, but at least open their mind. Absolutely. Now, if someone sees a UFO and then says, also, it was piloted by a Bigfoot, I'm going to be a little thrown off by that.

And I might not include the Bigfoot piloting the spaceship into the narrative. Now, that is, A, that is not doing the person who you're interviewing any justice. If they believe this happened, who am I to say it didn't? Exactly. The more bizarre I've come to find out in this topic, the more I'm willing to believe. Yeah, I get that. I absolutely. Specificity is key, man.

Yeah. And that changes from time to time, absolutely. But if they, if this is what they believe happened, and I come back to them time and time again, and they are telling me the same story over and over, and they haven't exaggerated it, they haven't added anything, I'm more willing to be like, yeah, I totally believe that happened to you. You look at someone like Travis Walton. This man was supposedly abducted. in the late 70s.

He was a logger. He was with five other people. They all witnessed this man, get shot by a beam of light from the sky, and he disappeared. What happened, Travis, your own words briefly. Okay, well, it was...

Just another day. Yeah, just another work day. Out in the woods, cutting trees. This is where? In the St. Gris National Forest in Arizona. There were seven of us. It was starting to get dark. We loaded up our chainsaws and...

You were a logger, right? Yeah. And we were headed home. As we were leaving there, we saw a light coming through the trees. And when we finally got down the road to where we could see the source of this light, we saw a UFO hovering near the road. All seven of you? All seven of us.

It was only 90 feet away. It was very clear and unmistakable. The minute it came into view, somebody yelled, it's a spaceship or something. something like that. We stopped the truck and I got out and went toward it. Just you, not the other six. Not the other six. They were yelling at me to get back in the truck and get away from there. Good thinking. Yeah, it would have been. Anyway, as I got closer to it, it started to move and started to, the sound started to get louder. And that scared me. I jumped down behind some cover there and the men in the truck were screaming at me to get away from there.

So I raised up to go and I was hit. It felt like a physical blow and I blacked out. The men in the truck said they saw a powerful bolt of energy come out of the bottom of the craft and hit me. They said it just looked like a grenade went off in front of me. They said it threw me through the air about 10 feet. You were watching this right, Mike? Yes. They said I hit the ground limp and they thought,

it killed me. He was gone for a week, two weeks, I don't recall. Are those five people still alive? Yes. Huh. Most of them, I believe. Now, for those weeks where he was missing, everyone believed that these men had murdered him.

Right. That an accident happened, they were covering it up. This idea of an alien abduction was completely made up. This made international headlines within the week. People for all over the world were coming to interview these people. put under polygraph examinations. They passed with flying colors. Meanwhile, the guy's still missing.

Presumed dead. Presumed dead at this point. They can't find a body. They go back to the site where this happened. Nothing. Several weeks later, he shows up without having talked to these loggers within that time, supposedly, they had corroborating stories about what happened that night. Ooh.

Now, there you go, man. You do have to wonder in a case like that. Yeah, there's things, there are exceptions to the rule with anything. Because I, as you very well, now, I am fascinated by Ed and Lorraine Warren. Because there's this idea, when something, it's things like that. I honestly, you telling me that story makes me want to go home and read all about it. If you have a book, I'll borrow it. Absolutely.

Yeah, yeah. And a movie. It was more of a horror movie. They were Hollywood iced it. Yeah, of course. Yeah. That, to me, is very interesting. And that's when it's, that's the, that's, those are the kind of stories where I will, I will listen at the very least.

Like with the Warrens, like I know how crazy the Catholic Church is. I know how extreme the Catholic Church is. The idea that the Catholic Church looked at these two people and said, yes, you go do this exorcism is crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. Like the idea of doing an extracism is insane to begin with. But the fact that they break hundreds or thousands of years of tradition to allow these two non-priests, one of whom is a woman, to perform an extracism. I could be wrong. I think I could be wrong in the sense that I feel like they ordained.

Given that it's the Catholic Church, I would put five bucks down right now that says that Ed was ordained to do it and Lorraine got to watch or see there, even though she's the one with inherent psychic abilities, apparently. Apparently. So, like, it's stuff like that that makes me, like I said, I'm tying it back to the. getting, I want to believe. I'm going to look up Travis Walton. I want to read some more about Travis Walton, but it's, uh, I got to put my hand in that wound, man. Yeah. I put my hand in that wound. It comes back to that hand in

wound. Yeah. Putting salt in it. Yeah. Salt up my hand and shove it on that one. Um, what do you got for me? I got, so, uh, you thought it would be kind of fun and I thought this could be a fun way to close this out here. Wow, we've been talking for over an hour already, huh? So on my show, two of the segments that we do, uh, we do

a segment called Spin It. Okay. Which is where I'm not going to give you a spin it today, but this is just a fun little taste for people at home is spin it. I give my guests a negative story, and I have them give me the old Sean Spicer. And spin it to me positively. Okay.

Tell me why it's good. The other segment we do was called Explain, where I give people just the headline, and then they give me the story. Really have fun with it. I want to very much clarify, because I would hate to have this whole wonderful talk and then make it seem like I'm making fun of anybody at all.

I purposely chose these two headlines that I'm going to give you from Weekly World News. Oh, my God. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I know it is ridiculous. I know it is stupid. I love Ryan. I've known him for many years now. I'm just going to have, we're just going to have a little fun.

This is just to close this out. Just have fun. Not take this seriously. And I'm just going to give you some headlines. If we can't take this topic, you know, with a grain of laughter, what the hell is the point? Exactly. Exactly. Just the full story.

Just the headline. Explain. So this one from the Weekly World News, Uncle Sam owes me. Aging space alien applies for social security. What's happening there, Ryan? Why would an alien feel like they're entitled to socialists? To my money.

To my tax. To my tax money. Well, given that this creature most likely is not here on their own, you know, Volition. They probably crashed at some point. Roswell, 97, were brought to Wright, Patterson, Airfield, and then studied an area 51,

and then was secretly let out into the public, disguised as a human being, would, at that point, what Social Security? They are now a legal, documented individual of the great USA and Uncle Sam owes them.

Okay, okay, okay. Now, usually usually it is a lot of fun when I do these headlines because the explanation is usually way different than what the story is actually about I am almost convinced that you saw the rest of this picture because at the very bottom it says says he's been employed in Area 51 since crash in 1947 I swear to God I do not see that

the stories run deep y'all oh that's my favorite thing that could have it have been better. Okay. Last one. Last one. Alien Bible found. They worship Oprah. What? So, so aliens are, so why? I mean, I get, this one I actually kind of get.

Ryan, Ryan, why are the aliens worshipping Oprah? A whole Bible. Oh, I have two answers for this. Okay. All right. I'm excited. A, who, it's more of a question. Who doesn't? That's, yeah, touche. It's be honest. Tushé, my friend. Yeah, she's divinity. That's an excellent point. That's an excellent point. Sonified. My second answer would have to be...

Look at someone like Carl Sagan. Okay? Done. Contact. I'm looking at them right now. Look at the beginning of... Not the book so much, but the movie. You know, you start with this...

The message being sent out into the universe from so long ago, from our satellites beaming things out. Yeah. From like, maybe a broadcast from the Olympics in the 40s. Yeah. And then to... Battle of the networks. I love the networks.

That was a good one. I like that. And then you have something like a spice girl's song. You know, the further you go out, the better possibility of finding something. Maybe instead of the Olympics in Germany where Hitler made an announcement, maybe other than that being the first thing that some alien civilization found, it was Oprah saying, you've got an iPhone, you've got an iPhone, you've got an iPhone. You're saying this is their galaxy quest. Absolutely. Yeah, I get it. That makes total sense.

There's probably a ship out there that's just full of, like, Callisto music and tiny little pieces. And then, like, burned up coffee is a tiny little pieces once that guy ended up being a fraud. There's, yeah, there's a whole show. Who knows, man? I mean, look at, like, look at something like in The Simpsons, the episode where they create the, the miniature civilization. I think there's, was that a Trias of Horror? It was a Trias of Horror. It was a Trias of Horror.

It's a playoff of a Twilight Zone episode, too, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where they become their God, because it's all they know. We've learned to immatute you exultly. Exactly. Maybe on some far-off planet, maybe closer than we think, there is a huge statue of Oprah. Oh, man. And they are just...

You did even better with these headlines that I could have... You'll have to come on Half-White Son of a Black Man's soon. I would love to. Yeah, that's all that is. When can we listen? You can listen every Saturday we usually release it. You can go to, you can look up Half White Sun of a Black Man on iTunes, or I think it's on like Pod Cruncher, too, and a few other. If anybody's familiar with Libson, anything that you get through Libson, you can listen to Half White Sond of Black Man on.

Or you can go to www.com and download the MP3s for free. It is hilarious. I listen every week. And it's not just because I know you. There's also a podcast. There's at least the first half of something that will hopefully be, uh, completed down the line, which is with my friend Joe Cavatite, which was in the sky from the shadows, is what it's called.

It's basically us talking about the effects of, uh, it was inspired by when Batman v. Superman came out and how Batman and Superman have both been molded by their interpretations and other media over the years significantly. Like just for a little taste, Jimmy Olson and Kryptonite, both introduced in the radio show. Not introduced in the comic books. If it wasn't for doing a radio show, we would not have Jimmy Olson. Olson or Kryptonite. I never knew that.

We wouldn't have Batgirl without the 66 TV show. Wow. Yeah, there's all kinds of, it's all there. Like, it's all stuff that is, like, the Christopher Reeves Superman movies affected what happened in the comic books. And, like, there's just, it's all from that. So I was, it was very much me being like, listen, Batman v. Superman is what people are going to be talking about 15 years from now you watch.

That is a bold statement. It is, and I stand by it. And then, uh, there's another little fun. podcast for a company I do work for called Sanford on the city. There's about two episodes now if you go to the New York Tour one Facebook page, you can listen to those on there. I love me some podcasts.

Me too, I mean. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for joining you today. It was a healthy debate. This was a blast. I wouldn't even call a debate. It's a conversation. That's the thing. I am open to, like I said, I want to know more about Travis Walton. I want to believe. Look at that, guys. We got one more for Travis As Mulder would always say, I want to believe.

Exactly. Thank you so much, Andrew. Thanks, Ryan. All right, that is it for this week's first in-studio interview. I have to thank Andrew once again for coming on. His work can be found at half-white son of a black man.com. He is one of the nicest people I know, and it was so refreshing to talk to an open-minded skeptic.

He is currently reading my copy of Fire in the Sky, the Travis Walton experience. So I'll have him on again to see what he makes of the entire Travis Walton incident. I also want to take this opportunity to say that the show is going to become a bit less rehearsed and scripted moving forward. I've received a lot of feedback and I'll be the first to admit I'm a slave to a script. So get used to hearing me be much more laid back, unedited, and just being myself with all of you. If you haven't already, please rate and review the show wherever. ever applicable. And if you have any guest

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