Somewhere in the Skies - Astronauts, Cosmonauts and UFOs

Episode Date: January 20, 2020

On episode 144 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, the entire Rogue Planet crew is tackling the often under-reported, but fascinating theories and experiences of astronauts pertaining to the UFO and alien topics. Inspired by recent remarks on aliens from the first ever British astronaut, Helen Sharman, the crew talks about similar remarks by Edgar Mitchell, Gordon Cooper, Story Musgrave, and Scott Kelly. Then they talk about the "Russian Cosmic-Power Couple", Pavel and Marina Popovich and their long careers as astronauts, pilots, and UFO researchers. It's a journey through space to tackle the UFO mystery back here on Earth and beyond!  This discussion originally aired on Unknown: A UFO Podcast through the Rogue Planet network. To learn more, visit: www.rogueplanet.tv For exclusive discount tickets to Contact in the Desert, use the promo code: CITDEXTEND and CLICK HERE Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Order Ryan's Book by CLICKING HERE Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at www.CWseed.com Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is part of the eOne podcast network. To learn more, CLICK HERE Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is somewhere in the skies with Ryan Sprague. Today, we're talking about astronauts and UFOs. This is always a fun topic of conversation, but we're talking about it today because a recent interview with an astronaut spawned countless headlines around the world. On Sunday, January 5th, the Guardian published an interview with astronaut Helen Sharman, the first British person to make it to space.

And she talks about aliens in this interview. Here's what she said. Quote, aliens exist. There's no two ways about it, end quote. She also stated that, quote, it's possible they're here right now, in quote. That's a big statement, especially coming from someone who has been in space. And it's obviously excited a lot of people generating the headlines proclaiming that an astronaut said aliens are real and they're here on Earth. The headlines, of course, were very sensationalistic.

They were overstating just a little bit. Here's the rest of what Charmin said. Quote, there are so many billions of stars out there in the universe that there must be all sorts of different forms of life. Will they be like you and me made up of carbon and nitrogen? Maybe not. It's possible they're here right now and we simply can't see them, end quote. So did she reveal some insider astronaut knowledge? about aliens on Earth? No. She simply surmises that all sorts of different life must exist in the

universe. Some life forms might be visible, might not be visible to the human eye, and some of that life could conceivably be on Earth, and we wouldn't know it. That doesn't mean that what she said isn't cool. I think it's very cool. I'm always fascinated to hear what people who have been in space have to say about intelligent alien life or about UFOs. And there have been several astronauts over the years who have commented on aliens and or UFOs. So let's talk about a few of them. The first one we'll talk about today is Pavel Popovich.

Yeah, so this was cosmonaut, Pavel Popovich. He was the first Ukrainian cosmonaut and the eighth human in space. He was also a survivor after living under the Nazi occupation. for almost two years as a young child. So that was a pretty interesting attribute to this story. He grew up to be an amateur pilot and engineer, and he worked his way up to being considered as a cosmonaut. His flight into space, first one was in 1962, and then his second in 1974, was a pretty interesting mission, actually. He was part of a Soviet program of military people and military use in space exploration technology.

So Popovich and his engineer at the time, they'd conducted military intelligence operations using infrared and optical equipment. And one of their tasks was to capture the American Skylab station with the three astronauts on board at the time and kind of see what they were up to. And this was obviously still bitterness from the Americans winning the Cold War.

And when they found out that Popovich had done this, the Americans actually came up with a nickname for him, which was the, quote, aggressor, which is pretty interesting. He definitely got a reputation. So in, I think it was, yeah, in 1978, he was traveling from Washington to Moscow from a conference. And along with the other passengers and pilots, they had a pretty dramatic UFO sighting of a triangular-shaped object trailing the airplane and then bypassing the airplane. at like unbelievable speeds and then it disappeared. Nothing was tracked on radar, nothing was seen on the ground, but everyone on the plane agreed that they had seen it. So from here, Popovich started looking into the UFO cases in Russia. And like many, he became obsessed with the topic and became a UFO researcher.

In the early to mid-80s, he served as a deputy in the commission for anomalous phenomena in the environment, which was a academic UFO research program created by the USS our Academy of Sciences. And then in the 90s, he presided over the first official public Soviet Union UFO research organization. He advocated for the release of government documents related to UFOs. And he asserted that much of the UFO related information he received was from military and government sources, which is always a good thing. Well, not always, but usually a good thing. And through his research, he concluded that most of what is written about UFOs is nonsense. I like this guy already.

And although he didn't believe claims of alien abductions or ET contact, he held the belief that ETs visit Earth and operate multiple bases on the planet. So pretty interesting stance. Yeah. It wasn't just Popovich, though, who was interested in UFOs. His wife, Marina Popovich was a retired Soviet Air Force. Colonel and one of the most famous pilots in Russia. So she too was also a UFO researcher. She caught the bug too. And you got to get this, you know, this Russian power couple some credit. They both became UFO researchers in Russia. And I thought that was pretty badass. She wrote a book.

It was called the UFO Glasnost. And she asserted that the Soviet military confirmed over 3,000 UFO sightings. And the government possessed wreckage from five UFO crashes. So they pretty much had long careers in the military, space programs, and then in the UFO research community. Talk about a powerhouse couple there for the UFO research, yeah. Pavel, he spent his final years in Moscow in a settlement dubbed Star Village, which housed over 36 former cosmonauts, retired cosmonauts. And after his death, a mountain range in Antarctica was actually named after him. and so was a minor planet. I wasn't able to figure out which one that was.

I'll have to do some more research on that. But pretty fulfilling life for both he and his wife, I would say. It's also refreshing to hear about UFO researchers in other countries, for once. So this is definitely one that I'm going to look more into for sure. Well, and the cosmonaut stories are also super exciting. There's so much about cosmonauts and UFOs and just Russia in general, Russia UFOs, and for anybody interested in that, I highly recommend looking at the work of Paul Stonehill. Paul Stonehill does incredible research and has written extensively on Russian UFOs.

So look into Paul Stonehill's work. Absolutely. Well, it's hard to find a conversation about astronauts and UFOs and not see Edgar Mitchell mentioned. Indeed, one of the most famous Apollo astronauts in the UFO circles is Edgar Mitchell. He was also the sixth man to walk on the moon and was a firm believer in UFO's intelligent extraterrestrial life and extraterrestrial visitation, the big three, so to speak. The NASA astronaut and former Navy test pilot was an intelligent and very highly regarded scientist with a doctorate for MIT. So for most of us, it's pretty surprising that he publicly and confidently spoke about his extraterrestrial beliefs and so often. There's so many interviews with him within the community where he's very adamant that this occurs.

One notable one is in 1996. Mitchell revealed on Dateline NBC, quote, I have no firsthand experience, but I have had the opportunity to meet with people from three countries who in the course of their official duties claimed, quote, I have no firsthand experience, but I have had the opportunity to meet with people from three countries who in the course of their official duties claimed to have had personal first-hand encounter experiences, end quote. Now, during the same interview,

Mitchell opined that UFO activity and UFO incidents like Roswell, big notable incidents, are covered up by governments. And this is a big reveal for somebody who is in a government-sponsored program like NASA. Also, in an interview with filmmaker James Fox, Mitchell shared his belief that humans have reverse-engineered extraterrestrial technology. This is a very hot topic right now, and it has been for a while. He believes that humans using this technology are possibly behind some UFO-related events like alien abduction.

So that's a big can of worms. If you have the government abducting humans posed as extraterrestrial species, there is a big problem there. Yeah. In 2015, Mitchell told our buddy Lee Spiegel at the Huffington Post, quote, I have told several sources about my connections over the years with military officers manning missile silos during the Cold War with the Soviet Union, who told me personally of UFOs hovering over their missile sites and disabling the missiles targeting the Soviet Union, end quote. So Mitchell just passed away a couple years ago. And this is personally a huge bummer for me because I in 2013 was supposed to fly to his home in Florida and interview him. And the interview got canceled by the production company the day before I was supposed to leave.

And obviously, that's one of, I know Jason has as well personally sitting down and talking with astronauts who believe in the subject and or have personal experience is a big honor. It's very interesting to hear that sort of perspective. So very bummed. I missed my chance to talk with Edgar Mitchell. He's been still involved in controversy over the years, linked with Buzz Aldrin, and alleged lie detector tests and a whole ball of worms that may or may not tie in with UFO sightings and astronauts. Did he punch a journalist in the face, too? Wouldn't that be the way to go? Not Ed Steyle.

No, no, that's buzz all the way. Yeah, that's buzz, total buzz. And Mitchell spoke on countless occasions about his UFO and extraterrestrial beliefs, but as Nick Pope explained to the mirror, quote, so far as I'm aware, most of his information on the issue comes not from things he's experienced himself, but from things he's been told by others, end quote. He continued, quote, clearly, because of who he is, he's had access to government, military, and intelligence community personnel at the highest level.

But because, quite understandably, he won't name his sources. We can't be certain these people were being straight with him, or indeed that they were privy to any classified information about UFOs, end quote. Mitchell was a very curious person, and he was confident in the UFO extraterrestrial information provided to him by people in the military and intelligence community. He told Spiegel, quote, I can't say where the aliens are from, but evidence of their presence here is pretty overwhelming

if you care to look for it, end quote. So I was always fascinated hearing Edgar Mitchell talk about UFOs and intelligent extraterrestrial life. But for me personally, I always viewed his comments the same way I do with those of former Canadian Minister of Defense Paul Hellier. His views were based on unverifiable sources he was told by others, not that. things he saw or experienced himself. Now, that doesn't mean it's not genuine or doesn't deserve to be considered, but it's important to keep that in mind and understand that no matter how exciting the claim sound and no matter who is restating those claims, it's still just second or third-hand

anecdotal information. And the value or weight of that type of supporting evidence really varies from person to person, it's up to every individual to decide for themselves how much weight they want to give that information and how much, if at all, they want that information to affect their personal beliefs. I think it's interesting that a lot of these things are these people that have been in power or have reputations that it is just hearsay, things they've heard, which is tough for us in the UFO field because we want like firsthand testimony, but it's so hard to get, especially when a lot of these things have happened so long ago and all the people involved directly

involved are gone at this point. So that was always my struggle with this stuff, Paul Hellier would say, like, yeah, the guy's amazing and his reputation is, you know, superb. But then these things he's bringing forward, we have no idea how to verify any of it. So yeah, it's always a struggle. It is. It's that curse, you know, that we celebrate when somebody of these high caliber, high calibers come forward with it. We're talking about this topic in public. We're all, yay, champion it, go, run with it. But then when we step back and look at what's actually being said

and where that information's coming from, you know, well, I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing. Right. And then, you know, quotes get spun in different ways too. Look at like the, you know, don't trust everything on the internet. Abraham Lincoln, you know, like stuff like that. It's like things, headlines of articles, like you mentioned earlier, Jason, And they get so sensationalized and quotes get out of context that you can never tell right from left, up from down.

So again, it's just, it's hard. It's hard. Yeah, it just shows that anyone with, with, you know, credentials have to walk such a fine line, you know, between their, you know, we look at them for their credentials for, you know, some kind of authority behind their viewpoint. But on the other hand, most of the time, this is an opinion, a personal opinion. and it's difficult to separate personal opinion from their credentialed persona, and then, you know, and they have to be extremely careful about it. So, yeah, I think just like everything in uphology, it's clear as mud. Good point.

I like that, Shane. I'm Nick, the host of the UFO Chronicles podcast, with firsthand witness accounts of the strange and unexplained, covering UFOs, cryptids, conspiracies, and the paranormal. real people, real encounters, succumb of us on the journey into the unknown. UFO Chronicles podcast is available to listen to on all apps. I'll see you soon. Colonel Gordon Cooper is similar to Edgar Mitchell in that he was also an astronaut and military test pilot

who publicly voiced his opinion about UFOs and extraterrestrials. But Cooper said he personally encountered UFOs. That's a little different. So Cooper was one of the seven original Mercury astronauts. He piloted the first space flight of NASA's Project Mercury, during which he became the first American to sleep in space. But according to Cooper, his UFO sightings occurred on Earth, not in space. In 1996, Cooper told Yolanda Gaskins, a reporter with the television show, The Paranormal Borderline, about a fleet of UFOs, he and other Air Force pilots observed over Germany in 1951. He described that these hundreds of metallic saucer-shaped unidentified craft, quote, were flying quite high, how high we couldn't tell because we couldn't get anywhere near their altitude.

But they were either very large craft way up or smaller craft still well above what we could get to. In quote, six years later, while supervising test flights at Edwards Air Force Base, his military camera crew allegedly filmed a landing of a saucer-shaped UFO. He told Gaskins that, quote, a saucer came flying over their heads, put down three little landing gear, and landed right out on the dry lake bed. They picked up their cameras and started over towards it, filming as they went. And when they got in fairly close to it, it lifted up, put the gear back in, the Will Wells, tipped up and took off at a great rate of speed. And so they came into my office and told me what had happened, and I sent them over to develop the film. and they had to go through all the proper regulations of reporting this, and we wound up having to send the film forward to Washington in the base jet airplane.

And I don't know whether anyone's ever seen it since, end quote. Although Cooper didn't see the UFO for himself or get a chance to watch the filmed footage, he claims that he did hold up the developed film to the window before shipping it off to Washington, and that it did, indeed, show close-up shots of a saucer-shaped craft. Cooper was an advocate for seriously studying UFOs. He wrote a letter to the United Nations in 1978, proposing the establishment of a committee to explore UFOs from an, quote, unbiased, neutral point of view, end quote.

He stated in this letter, quote, I believe that these extraterrestrial visitors and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets and are obviously a little more advanced than we are here on Earth. I feel that we need to have a top-level coordinated program to scientifically collect and analyze data from all over the earth concerning any type of encounter and to determine how best to interface with these visitors in a friendly fashion, end quote. So this guy really put it out there. I mean, he was hardcore pushing for researching UFOs and was a firm believer in extraterrestrial visitation. Yeah, pretty, pretty not audacious, but ambitious, I would say, claims to bring forward.

Again, I always come back to, like, these guys know what reputation they're going to leave behind. And when they come forward with these such ambitious claims, you've got to think there's something to it. Like, they know more than the public is finding out. Yeah, and Gordon Cooper, his style of communication, he was so direct and matter of. fact and non-sensationalistic in so many ways. It's hard not to really, you know, be captivated by not only what he's saying, but how he said it. And so I look at, you know, I've read his book and look at his work and on TV and so forth. And, you know, the guy is, you know, straight up legit fighter pilot and astronaut and all those things. So, you know, I find his stuff

very fascinating, actually. Yeah. And I know Amy Sheratito, our mutual colleague, space historian, I remember her telling me that Gordon Cooper is the perfect astronaut. Like, that's the ideal astronaut. You know, clean-cut American guy going up into space and just as direct as all hell. So there you go. True blue. True. Boy Scout.

Yeah. Boy Scout, too. There you go. Well, another astronaut who's commented about UFOs more recently and aliens as well is Story Musgrave. Yeah, Story Musgrave, who actually flew. on six shuttle missions, believes extraterrestrial life is out there. Despite Edgar Mitchell's assertions that extraterrestrials walk among us, Musgrave doesn't share that belief. As he explained to the Huffington Post, quote, some astronauts have been quoted as saying they think that they're

here. I have seen their evidence, and for me, it's not evidence. But he continued, I feel that they're everywhere out there and they're doing interstellar travel. We'll think differently about ourselves once we accept that. It's a kind of interesting position as well, huh? Yeah, for sure. And it was cool that, I don't remember, I mean, this was several years ago now, but Mufon even had Story Musgrave speak as the keynote speaker at the Mufth International Mufth, Mufon International Symposium. So it was really cool to to hear story in person speak about this stuff. I think it was in 2011 because we met him. It was that long ago? Wow.

Yeah. We met him at the after party and talked to him for a little bit. But he's an interesting guy. But again, you know, he's, I think it's good when you have these astronauts, even if they don't believe UFOs are visiting Earth. You know, he's like, the possibility of that life is out there is, we got to think almost 100%. You know, it's good stance to explore. If you're closed off, I would say, you're not the right person to be an astronaut

going out to explore other worlds. Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah. If you're not able and willing to accept that there could be other life out there, like, why the hell are you exploring space or risking your life to go up there? Yeah. Let's be honest.

So true. Yeah. Very true. And, you know, I think his position is kind of like I was mentioning before. This is kind of what you expect to hear because, you know, they do have to be careful about it. And, you know, it's the safe thing. And we're even seeing it with TTSA and just the whole state of uphology now. NASA and scientists are saying, oh, yeah, you know, we think life is out there.

And believe me, 20 years ago, no one would even say that, right? but then with the discovery of exoplanets and then, you know, other things that have progressed, you know, quantum mechanics, they're more accepting of that possibility. And so at first it was baby steps. Hardly anyone would say, oh, yeah, we think there's life out there. But now everybody says out, oh, yeah, there's got to be life out there. But yet no one is still committed to, you know, saying that, yeah, it's been visiting us here. So, you know, it's a safe position to take.

And actually, it's a correct one to take. we don't know yet. We don't have proof. So I think that's a wise thing. Something cool about Story Musgraves's statements and his stances, though it's slightly different and beyond the token response there, is that he believes that intelligent life is all over the place out there, but doing interstellar travel. That's, you know, taking it a step further and kind of cool. Yeah. And I wonder why. You know, he does it. He looks like the evidence. of Ed Mitchell and others, and it doesn't do it for him, he must have something that makes him feel like they're traveling interstellarly.

So I'm really curious about that. It is. Maybe you should follow up with him, Shane. Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good little thread to pull. Just to add, Jason, I think you're right. Like, the fact that he's bringing up the interstellar thing, that's huge. That means that, you know, he thinks this could be possible, maybe within our lifetime.

Maybe not. But yeah, I think that is a really good line to point out that he said because that, that, that opens up a whole new ballgame, I would say, in terms of, you know, them traveling here or us traveling there. So I think that's awesome. He said that specifically. I do too. No, he's a cool guy. Yeah, we should reach out to him. He loves talking about this stuff too, and he speaks about it intelligently.

Yeah, and who's a name is story? That's such a cool name. Yeah. That's a story in itself. I like it. Scott Kelly is an astronaut who was in space very recently, and in mid-2018, a former coworker Alejandro Rojas had the opportunity to ask astronaut Scott Kelly about UFOs. Kelly is someone who has spent a whole lot of time in space, more than 520 days during four different missions, which includes his 340 consecutive days on the International Space Station.

that's the longest any U.S. astronaut has spent in space on a single mission. When Rojas asked Kelly about UFOs, he admitted that he's seen lots of strange stuff in space, but the strange things he occasionally saw always turned out to be optical illusions. Kelly says he believes life is out there, but he holds that stereotypical view that they, whoever they are, are too far away to get here. But he responsibly added that he has no evidence to prove that aliens aren't visiting Earth, but he's 99.9% sure it's not happening. Just a quick, interesting side note.

Kelly also shared that he saw weird things while he was flying Navy jets over the ocean. Of course, Navy pilots seeing strange aerial objects over the ocean has been a popular topic of conversation in the past couple of years because of the highly publicized Navy UFO encounters from 2004 and 2015 that recently came to light. But again, Kelly says,

what he saw always turned out to be optical illusions. But it's interesting, too. I mean, when you go back and look at, you know, several of the people we've mentioned, seems like Navy pilot is a common theme here. You know, I always just thought it was the Air Force that was involved, right? And, you know, and of course, their position is pretty negative the whole time.

But to, you know, to see of late the revelation of all these naval pilots having this encounters is, you know, kind of a dimension to it that I wasn't even aware of. So I think that's pretty cool. And it's probably likely that other branches of the military and other organizations, other militaries have been having similar experiences then. And it's probably much broader in scope than we even were aware of. I think it's also interesting. I was looking into a few things that Kelly responded to in terms of the flat earth theory. He stated that I flew around the earth, but not even like bringing that whole can of worms into this. He said there's a lot of dangers in disregarding scientific fact.

And they use this flat earth theory as like, you know, proof of that. And when you actually like believe it or when you say these things and you don't actually believe them, like it's just hurting us in terms of moving forward with a topic. So in terms of like UFOs, you know, if the science is leading us in a certain direction, trust that. Even if it's not up to your belief standards, like we got to go where the science leads us. And it's clear that Scott Kelly knows a lot about about that. So I think it's pretty cool. that he's saying, look, put your personal beliefs aside and just go where the facts lead us. And if he's talking about UFOs and still interested in it, like, that's a good sign.

It really is. And Scott Kelly and NASA in general, right? I mean, NASA gets a lot of hate from the UFO community because, of course, they get thrown under the buses, the scapegoats with all the conspiracy stuff that they're hiding all of the answers about aliens and UFOs because there are space guys, right? but I mean, we have so many astronauts and just people from NASA who talk about this stuff all the time. Yeah, NASA routinely comments about aliens because, as you can imagine, they're asked about it all the time. Non-stop. Yeah. I mean, there's one example that happened in 2014 in July.

Scientists discussed extraterrestrial life on a televised event, and it took place at NASA headquarters. in Washington, D.C. and featured leading researchers and engineering experts who all discussed the search for life beyond Earth. So one in particular, Charles Bolden was the NASA administrator at the time. He even began the event by mentioning how he and fellow former astronaut John Grunsfield are often asked if they've seen, if they believe in, life beyond Earth. And Bolden stated, quote, I can't speak for John, but well, I may not have actually encountered extraterrestrials, and I did not, as a matter of fact, although I looked all the time. I've always been inquisitive, so I was looking really hard.

He continued, I would venture to say, however, that most of my colleagues here today, as well as probably most of you in the audience, are probably convinced that it is highly improbable that in the limitless vastness of the universe that we humans stand alone. And again, this is the same thing when we mentioned story Musgrave, how, you know, all these scientific officials are finally saying, there's got to be life out there. We'd be stupid, not stupid, naive to think that we are the only intelligent civilization out there. And so having the NASA administrator and all these people, as you so spoke eloquished, before, you know, a lot of people in the UFO community have trouble trusting NASA because of

believing they're covering up all these things. And hey, maybe they're covering up some stuff, but don't distrust them because, again, we have to follow where the science is leading us. And our scientists, they're actually actively trying to go find life currently. So the amount of money that's spent into these missions trying to find life on other planets and explore, or whether there's life under ice crusts and in different atmospheres. I mean, why would we spend so much money and invest so much time if we're not like trying to actively find life? I'm saying keep a little faith in NASA, please, people.

Right. And look, I love that press conference and Charles Bolden making those statements. Yeah, of course, we're all pretty accustomed to that safe token response, by now, but the way he addressed it, it's a valid response. It's an honest response. And at the very least, it isn't dismissive of the topic, nor does it poke fun at the topic. And I think that's really important. Right. And look at the evolution of that, you know, sort of stock response. It's just gotten more and more positive and expanded and less ridicule involved with it throughout the years. I think that's great too. Even I would say just in the last 15 years. I mean, I remember when, you know,

I first started heavily getting involved in this. It was, it was so much more taboo even then compared to the evolution of what's happened and people are feeling safer to speak out about things. And if you're an astronaut, you're going to see something strange for sure because we don't know what's out there very well, you know. So it's interesting time to live in. And you mentioned at the beginning, Maureen, I mean, just the Pete, the astronauts we've had the opportunity to speak with and the people who work at NASA who we've had the opportunity to speak with. There's just so many people there.

I mean, that's, and I think you mentioned it too, Ryan, that's why a lot of people at NASA get into the field they're in, right? They are believers themselves. They actively want to find civilizations out there. They grew up on Star Wars and Star Trek, and that's their inspiration to try to get out into space and find the life that they truly believe is out there. And the people we've spoken with over the years who work at NASA and are actively working on these missions that are going to other worlds to find life, they are extremely hopeful and

passionate about what they're doing. They want to find alien life. That's why they do what they do. Right. And the fact that just the handful we mentioned today, there's probably many more. And the fact that just that many astronauts are interested in. in the UFO topic have seen something or no more than the public knows, that's exciting. The fact that just that amount of people we've spent, we've sent into space or other countries

have, and they're coming back saying these sort of profound things, that's awesome. Yeah, you know, I like to listen to, like I said, I like to listen to what people who have been in space have to say because I don't know about you guys, I haven't been in space. So they've seen things that I haven't. And I feel they can talk about it better than I can. Absolutely. Well, citizens, that's going to do it for this episode. I'm Jason McClellan. I'm Marine Ellsbury. I'm Ryan Sprague. I'm Shane Hurd. Do us a favor, friends. Always treat the UFO subject with the cautious and responsible skepticism it deserves. Question everything. Have the courage to form your own opinions. Keep truth as the focus of your quest, even if the truth conflicts with your opinions.

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