Somewhere in the Skies - BONUS EPISODE: Attack of The Big Phone Home 2!

Episode Date: September 4, 2021

On this bonus livestream episode of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, we are joined by the entire team behind The Big Phone Home 2, a special FREE livestream event happening September 4th-6th on YouTube! The Big Phone Home 2 is an unprecedented convergence of professionals, scientists, Military members, and activists from across the spectrum of UAP research and activism to request Public Congressional Hearings to key government officials as well as to share the best practices for future success in the field of UAP research. We'll discuss what speakers will be taking part, and how YOU can become an integral part of this exciting movement! Watch the Big Phone Home 2 Livestream at: https://bit.ly/3mZsMRE Sign the Big Phone Home Petition: https://bit.ly/3mIdvX2 Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Somewhere in the Skies Coffee! https://bit.ly/3mIAq2o Order Ryan’s book in paperback, ebook, or audiobook by CLICKING HERE Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Somewhere in the Skies Subreddit: www.reddit.com/r/SomewhereSkiesPod/ Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at www.CWseed.com Episode edited by Jane Palomera Moore Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES is part of the eOne podcast network. To learn more, CLICK HERE Copyright © 2020 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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What is up, guys. Ryan Sprague here from somewhere in the skies. Welcome to this very special live stream edition of the show where we're going to be talking to the entire team behind the big phone home two, which takes place tomorrow. That would be Saturday, Sunday, and Monday the 5th, 6th, and 7th. It's going to be an amazing time. And we're going to talk to all of the hosts of the event about that. They actually are just finishing up another show right now. now over on Unidentified Celebrity Review. So they'll be hopping in in just a few moments here at their leisure. I do want to give a quick shout out to everyone who's here. I see UFO Jane is in our waiting room. Thanks for being here, Jane. I'll bring in in just a few. UFO Blueprint, Matthew Riot, Jazz Shaw.

Everyone's coming over from UCR. This is amazing. I love you guys. We got Mo Anonymous Rex is here. Graham Grym Giss was over on UCR. So we're going to talk a little about what just happened over there. Hello, Aetherial. Hello, Kyle.

What's going on? Awesome. This is so cool, guys. Thank you for hopping over from UCR. If you're watching on Facebook, I do want to give you a note. In order for me to see your comments on Facebook Live, you do have to click that Streamyard link that I put right underneath the video. So go ahead and click that.

It gives Streamyard permission to show your comments from Facebook on here. If you don't do that, I will not see your Facebook comments or questions. I do apologize. So better yet, head on over to YouTube, watch it there. That's where you can donate to the show. Help us out in any way you want. There's a super chat button, a super sticker button, where you can help contribute to the show and make it happen.

And we'll put your comments at the top and answer your questions as well. Let's see what else we got here before I bring Jane and the rest of the crew in. this Sunday I'm going to be interviewing noted skeptic Mick West on somewhere in the skies. And I will be asking Jane about her recent interview as well with Nick. He is public enemy number one in the UFO field in the best of ways and worst of ways and everything in between. And I'm super stoked to finally talk to him. So if you have any questions for Mick West, please do not hesitate to send this to me before Sunday. let's say Saturday midnight EST, get those into me for Mick West,

and I will hopefully be able to get it into the interview. That's going to be a really, really fun one and divisive as well, I'm sure. So yeah, the last thing I want to let you guys know is somewhere in the skies was nominated in the paranormal podcast awards, which is so cool. This is being hosted by Paranormal Magazine. That was a weird way of saying that. Let's say paranormal magazine. And we were nominated for Best Alien UFO Podcasts and Paranormal Podcasts of the year.

I was so honored to be nominated for this with other awesome shows, That UFO Podcast, hosted by Andy. Into the Fray Radio with Shannon. History, excuse me, Hysteria 51, Cryptonaut Podcast, Bigfoot System. and Stories with Sapphire, a bunch of other awesome shows that were nominated. So if you want to vote for Somewhere in the Skies or any of the other shows that I just mentioned, head on over to paranormal. Wow, let me get this right, paranormaltymag.com. I will put a link in the show notes eventually for that or just go to my Twitter account at

Somewhere Skies and be sure to vote in that. The deadline is September 30th at midnight. Again, that's paranormaltymag.com to vote for that. So thank you to paranormal mag and everyone over there. So it looks like we've pretty much got the whole crew here. So I'm going to go ahead and bring them in. And hello to Kyle. Hello, John.

Hello, Michael. Hello, Fifi. Let's do this. What's up, guys? I've got Jane. I've got Mike. Welcome. How you do?

It's a pleasure to be. around so many amazing people in ties and wearing very upscale dresses. And it feels very professional. I'm just trying to get my bearings here. You know what's so funny, Mike. I put this on for you guys because I'm like, I can't be the odd man out. And then I forgot about the odd woman out. I'm like, well, I'm going to have to make a joke when Jane comes on because I know she's not going to wear a tie.

But you did dress up for the occasion. You can tell us as a dress. I'm glad it actually is a dress. Absolutely. You can tell. Thank you. Hello, everyone coming in here. Mike, I have you guys to thank for this, man. It is blowing up already. Yeah, we're going to talk about it. Because I just told people that Sprague and his beautiful blue eyes is in a tie. And they were like, they just had to see it for themselves. I'm sure. I'm sure that was it. It was. Yeah. Your check's in the mail, buddy. Your check is in the mail. Nightgazer boss, ABG, John. Welcome, everybody.

buddy, Max. Well, let's go as fresh as possible. Everyone who just hopped over from UCR, you guys just talked to Graham about his new book that just came out. So would you guys mind telling us a little about what you guys were talking about over there today and maybe just a little bit about his book that just came out? Yeah. For those of you who don't know, Graham Rendell is an avid World War II researcher and euphologist. And he just, put out a brand new book about foo fighters, and I'm just trying to pull up the book, if I can get it real clear. It's called UFOs before Roswell.

European foo fighters 1940 to 1945. And one of the most fascinating things I think that came out of this conversation were the amount of things that people have tried to chalk up the foo fighters too. And so he does a pretty spectacular job of debunking a lot of these theories and hypotheses about what they were because there's so little foundation in reality for what a lot of these folks are saying. He's basically debunking the debunkers, which is pretty fascinating. I love it. I love it.

And again, it's an era of this phenomenon that gets overlooked a lot. You know, whenever any UFO documentary starts or whatever, it's always Kenneth Arnold first. Or if they do mention the food fighters, it's super, you know, five seconds of it. And that's it. And it's, you know, so I'm so happy to see this. Yeah, rather, please. Well, yeah, I mean, even when they do mention the few fighters, it's all USA food fighters, the American force, right?

And Graham went and, like, found the British Air Force records and was scraping through them and found new novel reports that are fascinating, cases where the pilots were shooting at these foo fighters and saw the bullets hit to literally no effect. I haven't actually read the full. book yet, but I'm really, really dying to. I think it's going to be, it sounds really interesting. It does. And Lou, welcome, my man.

Hey, thanks for having me. Huffeted. Yeah, of course, I didn't see your little box down there. And I was like, oh, he's probably, you know, resetting, as it were. And I'm like, oh, there is. There is. John, thank you so much for the super sticker, brother. I really appreciate that. We'll be doing that all night, guys. If you want to help out the show, we'll put your questions up there. there was one of the oh over on your show um i i wanted to know and maybe graham can answer in the chat here uh if he actually is a fan of the footh fighters band were you guys able to ask him that we

well so i put your question on the screen while he was there we didn't ask him but when i put it on the screen he goes okay wow interesting come on how can you not like him yeah how could you not like the foo fighters i know i don't Especially just for the name alone. I remember, you know, hearing that that's obviously where they got their name from. And they did like a special concert in Roswell and whatnot where they kind of talked about the history and the inception of the name of the band, which is pretty cool. And I actually, for the first time ever got to see them, they came and played at City Field here in New York. And it was the era where Dave Grohl had like broken his leg.

And he like, he did the full tour with a broken. leg, but he sat in this throne, just made of guitars. It was the coolest thing we've ever seen. Because we're going to cancel the tour. Yeah. Graham was probably a fan of Nirvana. I feel like to dislike food fighters, it's like maybe you're like resentful, like, that's like mainstream.

Yeah, that would be my theory. Yeah, you just hear it. That's my conspiracy theory. I think you're right, Jim. I'm a 70s and 80s kid. What can I say? He's in the wild guess. I was going to say, rat, we're either talking air bands for Gray.

If I haven't taken guess, I bet it's the clash. He's really into. I'm just taking a guess. I just bought every single album of the clash, and I've been binging the clash so hard. I think it's the best band that maybe ever lived. But you didn't call in, baby. Oh, I wonder if Graham's into the

Smith for the cure. The cure is great. Duran, Duran. Sorry. In excess of Britishmen. I just got to take a tip on my beverage here. Let us join you. We're going to be doing a lot of

nothing in my. Oh, my God. I love it. We're going to get a lot of shameless pleasure cup. I'll have to get one. It's on its way, Jay. Michael, hello.

Alien bookstore. or Boca Face, sorry. Alien Boca Face. That's an awesome name. It's awesome. I was going to say flock of seagulls. Graham, let us know, brother. Who were your favorite bands? We have to know now. Awesome. So you guys had Graham on today. I can't wait to get the book. I already ordered. It's in the mail. But let's talk a little about Jane. First, I know you recently interviewed Mick West, who I'm going to be interviewing this Sunday. again, if you guys want to get your questions in,

questions in somewhere in the skies.com, contact tab, send them to me. But how'd it go? I was able to catch most of it. But what was that experience? I thought it went really well. I was really nervous. Glurp the alien moderates the chat.

And I was nervous he'd have to kick people out, or a lot of people would unsubscribe. Because when I first announced that I was having McWest on, there was a lot of negative comments. Like, I have nothing to do with that. like how dare you you know give him on platform yeah the chat was like really nice and respectful

and I thought it was a really good conversation there might have been people who were expecting me to like get at him and like try to trip him up or you know catch him saying something I guess dumb about UFOs or debunk the debunker if you will but I was kind of more curious

just like more about the human and, you know, side of things. And so we kind of talked more, I think, more along those lines. You didn't have a PowerPoint presentation ready. Yeah, exactly. I wasn't ready to like change his mind or, you know, just prove it. Yeah. And that's why I think my interview will sort of be in the same vein is the human side of it.

I want to get to know the guy. And I don't want to spend two hours arguing over the Ticktack video and like what it could be. and this angle and blah, blah, blah, like, that's not for me to do. I failed every math class I ever took. So I want to know, like, you know, why? What led you down this path to debunk? And I know he talked about that.

He does some good work in other areas, too. I think he's talking about. He does some important debunking of some, you know, some pretty wild shit. Which is a few of my questions. Outside of UFOs. Yeah. We're going to get past UFOs.

in the interview. I've got some questions on other conspiracy theories and whatnot. I do want to thank John here for the $10 sticker. Motorhead Rules. I'd have to agree. I'd have to agree. Gosh, I don't know how you guys keep up with this stuff. This is why I need a moderator.

I say I didn't know who the clash was. I just said I bought all their albums recently. I knew who they were. Yeah, NAS and somebody else just said it. Oh, Matthew Wright. I knew, dude, I'm very well aware in the clash.

I just hadn't, I didn't have their entire music and, you know, anthology. Now I've got it and I'm loving it because there are tunes I haven't heard. Right. It's so funny you mention that. In here in New York now, every street you walk down, there's just boxes and boxes of people throwing out their CDs, their books. Because you know, they all, you know, bought them and got them out during the, the lock. And now everyone's like going back to work. I don't have space for all this.

Yeah. Tiny New York apartments. So did I've literally been going up and down every street like going for it. Yeah. Going through. And I found an entire box of just classic rock CDs. And it was amazing. I can't wait to sit through.

I can't say you. I did that all the time in New York City. I would know if especially if I was waiting for somebody to come out of their apartment, I'd be gone, you know, just casually looking through the trash being like, I've found golf clubs. I've found really good books. I've found all sorts of stuff in New York City garbage. Bikes.

It's wild. Some stuff I hope I hadn't found either, but that's another story. Well, okay, let's talk about them. Where'd this rash from? 12 years? I don't know. I didn't know there are crabs on the street. There were this weekend, man.

Holy crap. We got less. And I'm talking about the actual crustacean crab. We had a flood here in New York City, which was insane. We'd never experienced that here, to my knowledge. Well, you had it during Sandy. Sandy was the last time that happened. I was here for that, and I can tell you, it was pretty rough.

I remember trying to, Broadway was still open where I work during the hurricane, which was unbelievable. It's flooding in New York City, and then we had the freeze here in Texas and March. Hurricane in Louisiana. A little global warming action. We'll talk to McWest about that one. Yeah. McWest will agree. He will.

I concur. It'll be the only thing we probably agree on in the interview. Let's talk about Mike. We're just going to run through what you guys have been up to recently. Then we'll get to the big phone home. And then I got a couple questions for you guys on a couple articles that came out today, actually, which really are making some. some headway in the UFO community.

But Mike, can you tell us a little about your interview recently with Irene Scott in the, forgive me, the gentleman's name that was with that interview? Yeah, Philip Shane. Yeah, we had Philip Shane and Irene Scott. Philip Shane is the creator of the What the If podcast. He's also the documentarian behind being Elmo and Einstein. He also worked with Peter Jennings and did a UFO expose back in the 90s, Lou?

Was it the 90s? Peter Jennings was like 2002, 2003. Yeah. But incredibly fascinating dude. He's, you know, he's very, very interested in science. His father is a skeptic. His mother's a UFO believer. And so he's got this kind of

interesting middle ground that he shared with us. And that was amazing. Irene Scott, though, was extraordinary as well. You know, she had a high-level clearance in the government at the DNI, I believe she said. And it was just extraordinary her sharing her experiences with like UFOs when she was a kid. Her and her sister saw these like miniature UFOs in her home.

And then later saw just had this extraordinary experience capturing one off a highway above an airport. And, you know, I mean, this woman broke so many glass ceilings and was in science when so many, you know, so many, so few women were. So it was just a heck of an interview with the both of those. It was just incredible. We just keep finding these extraordinary people who are sharing their stories. And it's fascinating. It's wonderful.

I love it. And again, these are like people that the UFO community itself has never really spoken to. Yes, Irina. But then, you know, your show isn't about UFO. So it brings in an entire new conversation, a new audience, new, guests, which is what we desperately need other than the same damn people every other, you know, week saying the same things over and over. So that's why. And we wanted to, I mean, that was thank you. That was part of the goal when, you know, Lou and I started to work together because

we wanted to broaden, you know, we wanted to have a lot of conversations about, you know, it's, it's not just about UFOs. It's about the future. Where are we headed? Where's humanity headed? And that's really what the Singularity Lab is about is this, you know, futurism, technology, breaking science and we delve into consciousness. I think these are all important topics, you know, as we move into the future. So it's a fun, it's a fun ride. I love that. I love it.

Rather, have you come out with anything lately, my man? Yeah. This week, I posted a video about ball lightning. I found a 1960 study from the government, a preliminary study of ball lightning, where they were studying the phenomenon and they were thinking about whether it had a fusion reaction sustaining. it. So I found that very interesting. And then 50 years later, Eric Davis, a physicist who's very involved in all the UAP stuff, kind of Hal Putoff's a prodigé, he wrote a paper for the

Air Force on Ball Lightning, and he goes through the decades of research on it, you know, some prosaic explanations. But the paper ends with one of his suggestions for what it might be, and it's completely redacted. And what was there, right? And yeah, I have a video there. explore some potential explanations for maybe the government's been studying UAP under the guise of ball lightning and maybe they've been figuring some things out. What about the new squid sensors, rather? Oh, yeah, that too. Just last night, I saw a video that they've been able to detect, so there's LIGO that you can detect gravity waves by these giant things that are miles long.

There's a team of scientists who are going to the opposite direction and are developing these tiny quartz crystal disks. And they're studying, they hook up a, I forget the actual name of it, the long name, but it's called a squid of using quantum effects to study the quantum gravity wave effects with this quartz crystal. And they're able to detect ultra-high frequency gravity waves. The same type of gravity waves that scientists just a couple of years ago have worked in a paper on saying that these are the type of gravity waves that they'd be using to,

communicate with us if they were able to figure out gravity wave communication. So they don't know that this is ET communication. They found some signals last month. They don't know that their ET signals. They could be, you know, black holes or some exotic matter doing their thing. But, boy, it's very, very interesting. Yep. Oh, dude, that's the kind of stuff that gets me excited.

Like the new theories and thoughts on, like, how these things could be happening and whatnot. Wow. That's awesome. Keeps on turning. There's new stuff every day. As it should, as it should. We've got to hold their feet under the fire, which I think our good buddy Avi Loeb is doing, which we will definitely get to him in a little bit. But let's talk about the most recent interview over at UCR, not the most recent, excuse me, but the one that ties in the most of what we're going to be talking about tonight,

the big phone home. And you guys had Tommy Zito on the show. And for those who don't know, Tommy did something that is exactly what the big phone home stands for and was successful. So that is what gets me excited that this is possible. We are making a difference. And Tommy spent so much time in doing that. So, yeah, Lou, you want to tell us a little about that conversation with Tommy,

who he is, what he did, and yeah, how it leads into what we're going to be talking about. Yeah, I mean, he's basically a citizen activist. He's been petitioning his congressman in his district. Putter, Pearl, what's his last name? Merle Putter, I can't. God, it's slipping my brain. Sorry, I've got a bunch of congressmen in my head. ProMutter.

ProMutter. Congressman Pearl Mudder in the 7th District of Colorado. And he's been soliciting him for two years. He's been emailing, calling, tweeting, calling, emailing, tweeting, calling, emailing, emailing, over and over and over again. And for two years, they kind of just jerked him around. And to a point where he was like, what do I have to do? I'm going, I've been to the town hall meetings and I get ignored.

I've been, you know, I call you guys, I email you guys. You tell me to go through this process. and here I've been following your process for two years, and it's got me nothing. What do I have to do to talk to somebody? And that finally lit a fire under a staffer's butt to set aside 10 minutes with Pearl Mudder and with Tommy Zito. And they sat in a room and talked about this topic. And he made the congressman aware of a lot of things that the congressman was not aware of. And it just, it was a beautiful window into what congressmen do.

focused on and why, you know, this question keeps coming up. Well, he must have seen the report. Like everybody's seen it. No. Not everyone has seen it. Like these people, again, like, 70% of their time is raising money to get reelected.

And the other 30% of the time is going over actual job stuff. And who knows how much of that 30% they're actually. focused on their actual job. But that's a whole other story. But the point is that they've got other things on the burners. And so when they see the UAP congressional report, they might ignore it, which is exactly what Perlmutter did. He was aware of it, but he never read it.

And that's like when you make the congressman aware of what's in that report and it catches his attention because he clearly hasn't been briefed by his his team now he actually might look into it and this might be you know become something that he starts activating himself on and and demanding from his staff to get him some details on what's going on so it was just yeah it was i'd never know i didn't know who tommy zito was until two weeks ago and a matter of fact it was it was sean cahill who was like look at what this guy did i was like wow look at what this guy did i was like wow look at what this did. I immediately reached out. I was like, dude, like, I got to have you on the big phone home because we've got to explain to people. And Tommy's the perfect example of this of how this is a process,

not an event. This is a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a marathon, not a sprint and how relentless we have to be. And, you know, how the big phone home is not a three-day event this time. You know, it's a state of mind. We can use this website. We can use these templates to reach out to our local state officials and demand more. And it's okay to do that. We're taxpayers. We have that right. That's the whole reason why we have representatives is to express our concerns to them. And we're doing it in a professional, courteous manner. But it's also very clear what we want. And that's congressional hearings. We want hearings. You know, we're getting a report every 90 days. We'd like to be privy to that report. We'd like to see some more data on

on the information that's already out there, especially on the GoFast, the gimbal and the TikTok videos. Like, do we have any other angles? Do we have radar information? Do we have, have higher fidelity video? Do we have audio, cockpit audio from the Aguadilla footage? Do we have the tower that was at that airport in Puerto Rico? Like, do we have their audio? These are all things that are already out in the public. So why not just be a little more transparent with those things? and the incentive for government or our elected representatives is they're being transparent. And that's going to win a lot of brownie points with your voters. And it's going to win a lot of brownie points outside of your districts because people,

people are curious about this. And when they get any kind of information, I mean, we saw what happened two months ago when the report dropped that we had 60 Minutes and we had the New Yorker. And what was the other big magazine that? that had an article, but the whole point is, is that it was in the mainstream, you know, it was in the Washington, D.C. Lobby Hotel. It was in power meetings. It was at the water cooler. It was, you know, in warehouses. People were talking about this because they're curious. And because they were given a little bit more transparency. Like that 60 Minutes interview,

we finally got to see Alex Dietrich or Alec Dietrich. You know, and, and, and, and, and, we could put now a face to the story. And that's transparency. Like, that's being honest, you know. So I think that you could just see how far it goes when they're just even a little, a little transparent. And it wins trust. So it's, it's a win-win for the government. And plus it also, which I think is the most important, it kills stigma. So pilots and military officials can start reporting what they're seeing. And it also kills false flag narratives and dangerous, you know, conspiracy theory thinking. Like we got to get away from the conspiracy theory aspect of these things and stop making definitive statements off what we think might be happening. You know, so we're trying to get away from that as much as possible.

And, and, you know, that's, I mean, that's why we brought Tommy on because I thought he was just a shining example of how long it takes, how persistent you have to be. and what you have to do. And that's why we had Tommy write one of our templates, you know, and write sort of the bullet points for when you call. So you know what to talk about when you call. Maybe you get nervous when you call. It's, you know, a lot of people haven't done this. So, you know, that's the whole point of the website.

It's to sort of teach people who've never done this how to interact with their government. We've made it as easy as possible from signing a petition to providing bullet points for phone calls, to providing templates for emails and tweets. We've put it all there for you guys. It's super easy. It's copy and paste stuff. So, I mean, I've sent my template from John Greenwald to my representative on Saturday. I've already got a response.

You know, I already got a response from them. And they're looking at my email. They're passing my email onto the senator of California. That's awesome. That's what we want. So if people in the state of just 40, in the state of California sent that email or another template that we had on there, we're going to maybe get the senator of California come on and talk to us,

you know, or at least say something publicly about it. So just do it. It's so easy. We can't make it any easier. Exactly. And that's what the website really does is it makes this very digestible and easy for anyone to just do it. John says, please sign the petition. Yes, go to big phone home,

the big phone home.com. It's like two clicks. Just sign it. Every vote counts. Like your votes count, guys, when it comes to this. We're always told that they don't, but they do, and it's making it difference. Lou, you mentioned conspiracy, and I do actually want to touch on that with you guys. There was an article that came out in the Washington Post today that really kind of covered this in terms of kind of the age we're living in when it comes to conspiracy theory, QAnon, which, you know, has kind of taken a backseat, but it's still there, still thriving, as many of these things do, and kind of the UFO community in how sometimes it does reflect and mirror

a lot of these very hardcore conspiracy communities. Did any of you guys get a chance to read this article by, let me get his name right, Jose Del Rio. I did speak to him, actually. I did assist in this article in the background, and I was very surprised. I didn't know it was coming out today. So, yeah, did any of you guys get a chance to read it?

And what did you think about it? I have a guy. Well, look at Rather's face. Just look at Rather's face. That's where you go. Rather, everyone's asking us if we're brothers, too, man. That's a conspiracy for another. I mean, the haircut, though, is a lot.

I'm looking a bit like a ghost today. I got to do something about my lighting. But yeah, Radar, what did you think of the article? Well, I think that there's an inherent difference between, you know, like conspiracy theories like Q and On and those other conspiracy theories that they mentioned in the article versus the UFO topic. And I think the main difference is that on these other conspiracies that mention, there's an underlying, provably incorrect fact that kind of these things are,

built upon you know take flat earth for example you know we can prove that the earth is round so that conspiracy theory is just you know people can look at it and tell that is false the UFO issue on the other hand we don't have that there's just uh it's literally there's no answers and i think that there's a just as reasonable of a position to think that there are life their life exists in other universes and if there does exist life it's probably has made its way here. I think that's a valid assumption. You know, there's the other assumption I think is valid as well, but there's no clear answer here. So I don't think that they're similar at all. I think there is, it's dangerous to believe things without proof clearly, but, you know, I don't

see the similarities that they draw in this article. I don't, I don't agree really. Yeah, I didn't read the article, but I definitely agree with rather. I think that, you know, conspiracy theories are simply, when people fill in the blanks, right? When an organization is not being transparent, it's very natural, it's very normal for human beings to want to fill in the blanks. And that's what a conspiracy theory is. Are there real conspiracies?

Absolutely. Anytime two people conspired together to do something and then lie about it is a conspiracy. But this idea that, you know, the reason it's called a theory is because it's a theory. It's an idea. It's a, it's conjecture. So, you know, when it comes to,

the extraterrestrial or UFO phenomenon. I think it's super important. We sit over, we don't pass on any conspiracies because we don't know, right? To assume you know is when, you know, you're involving yourself and engaging in a conspiracy theory. But we don't know. We're simply interested in this topic. We're interested in getting more data. And that's why we're doing the big phone home.

I love it. Yeah. And it's, I mean, you know, the reason why we have conspiracy theories is what Michael just said is because the trans either there's somebody's not being transparent enough and not giving enough proper information or the information that's coming from the top is bad information. And so people then begin to question it. And so that's sort of the dangerous position with the conspiracy theories.

And it's why I'm urging our senators and congressmen to really think about being transparent when asked about this topic as much as they can be without, of course, revealing any, you know, sensitive national government secrets or the process of how they collect data. But just a little bit more transparency, just talk about it. Just giving you talking about it gives the permission to science to study it. And it also, you know, if we can get some senators to say, yeah, there's no false flag narrative. There's no secret space program where we're trying to collect money. and selling a false flag, you know, or this, you know, this sciop situation where we're just,

we're just getting ready for the Space Force, you know, because that's what people say all the time, is that this is just a money grab to open the Space Force. And I hate to break into people. They've already got the permission. The money's already coming. Like, they don't need this to do it. But coming from me doesn't mean as much as it does coming from a senator or congressman. And so that's what I mean by trying to kill the false flag narrative.

and kill the stigma because the more honest they are. And again, it doesn't take much. The more we can take that and use it to shoot at stigma and these dangerous narratives. And move this topic away from the conspiracy and closer to the science and the facts, but also be sensitive, you know, because we're talking, you know, once the big phone home is over, our next initiative is, and really talking to you, Ryan, is going to be a part of this. We want to do an experiencer's month or week where we really, really take the time to talk to this part of the community and really try and understand. I mean, I don't think we're going to get to the bottom of what it is, but at least for at least a month, show some empathy and just listen for a little bit and try and put yourself.

in that perspective or in that that PTSD that some of these folks live through. You know, so it's, we need to be respectful to that aspect of it. But again, you know, even with my personal experience and this is something that I, I hope to maybe, you know, communicate when we do this sort of special month or whatever we're going to call it, that, you know, we got to keep our personal experiences out of this, unfortunately, as powerful as they are, as important to you and personal and visceral as they are, I can't take that and put it on the desk of a senator. Like you can understand that, right?

And I think if we could both come to sort of that meeting point, I think that the conversation about experiencers can really start to progress, you know? And I think it's an important part of this. but right now we're just so focused on on the on the nuts and bolts the things that we can prove the things that I can give to a senator that's going to convince them one way or the other to pursue this but I think once we do that successfully and I think we will then that really opens the door for us to have this other conversation that needs to be had

Ryan Ryan let me get a quick comment on the false flag sciops conversation I think this is an important distinction that a lot of people miss in this conversation. And so when you think about the reason that a government would do a siops, especially in a free society, is because they're trying to throw off the enemy, right? They're manipulating their own people to throw off the enemy, right? Whether it's the Soviet Union in the, you know, 50s or 60s, whether it's China. That's why they do that. It's not to get funding for a branch of the military.

the funding is there, right? That's happening. It's going to happen. We have not done anything to slow down the military industrial complex in the United States of America. It's very difficult to stop that train that's rolling. Syops were always used to throw off the American people because we live in a free society and we wanted to ensure we were throwing off the Soviets and the Chinese. And I just thought, I think that's an important distinction. Because if we want to kind of swell this conspiracy theory of false flag, like there's there's such an important distinction there that I think people sometimes gloss over. What's up, guys, Ryan Sprague here. And I'm just dropping in to remind you about our Patreon campaign. Somewhere in the Skies is always free to consume, but it's not free to create. So if you want to help the show on a monthly basis, we have tons of rewards for you in return, including shoutouts on the show and website. bonus content and episodes and free merge. Want to be my guest or pick a topic for the show?

You can do that too. So if you'd like to learn more and to help support the show, visit patreon.com slash somewhere skies. Thank you and keep looking up. Can I vote, and I'm going to try this will be my early in years resolution. I'm so tired of the word conspiracy theory. And the word fringe was in that article everywhere. where it's just it's a theory.

And maybe it's been debunked, like rather with saying, or maybe it's a more arguable theory. But I'm just so tired of it. And like, no offense to the author of that article, I think it was well written. It's definitely well written. It was a nice profile of this person. I was a little bit sad, in my opinion.

The take on it all, but it was kind of, I don't know, it felt like a dated kind of old article. like and this is not the story in my opinion and just constantly associating any theory with that is unusual to you or whatever is any of you with cunon or flat earth or whatever just you know it's just these are like and one thing I'll say and I've always talked about debunking the debunkers my red flags just go way high when I'm seeing a lot of that terminology used to discredit with witnesses or sightings, because there are psychological reasons that we believe what we believe. There's deep-rooted psychological reasons that we love the scientific method, that we believe

lies in propaganda and the cover-up just as much as why we delve down the conspiracy theory path. It's irrelevant. It's totally irrelevant. And when all articles are 90%, what is a psychological reason that this investigator, you know, he must, he really wishes that he wasn't alone in the universe, poor guy, you know, searching for the truth. Like, who cares? Right. The same reason we want to read a hard science facts are rooted in the same humanity. And it's just, I'm so tired of it. Right. And by using, by using other conspiracies to debunk UFOs is a straw man logical fallacy. You're literally just, you're like, hey,

look at that. And then you're just throwing them in another direction. It makes no sense. They love the whole UFO community into, you know, believing the exact same things that, you know, everyone believes, you know, the most out there theories where, like, you know, read the article, you think the author would probably think that Abby Loeb is a conspiracy theory.

Right. Right. Good point, rather. Well, in Jane and Mike, you guys, you've got a good point. Now, I remember I was on the phone with that, that author for got three hours maybe. And we went through kind of what he wanted to do with the article. And we went through the very human side to all of it.

And he did tell me from the start, I wanted to connect this somehow to QAnon in the conspiracy culture of today. And I was like, that's fine. Like I'm willing to go down that road with you because there are comparisons to be made, absolutely. But it's clear that that was not the focal point of the final product, which I was also very disliked. disappointed in. Like Jane mentioned, the article is titled, A Lonely Journey of a UFO conspiracy theorist,

which is so pitiful when you think about it. It's brutal. And I felt so bad for that Mufon investigator in the article. But, you know, he had some good things to say. And I think he really stuck up for himself and came out looking actually pretty good by the end of it. So good on that Mufon investigator, Sean, his name was. Dr. Chris Cogswell was interviewed as well. which was pretty fascinating to get his whole take on it as well, conspiracy culture. And I know you guys had a really good conversation with him not too long ago. But yeah, it was interesting.

And it always gives me kind of, you know, when I see that, it's the Washington Post. I'm like, yes, good. It's still out there. The UFOs are still out there in the mainstream. But then, like Jane said, this is what it is. It's like, well, this isn't helping anything per se. it's putting a microscope on one small aspect of the UFO community, which is conspiracy theory.

But yeah, yeah. Lou, you're muted. What I was saying, and then, well, they microscope it, and then they take that example, and then they paint everybody else in the community with that brush.

And it's just, it's inappropriate. And it's kind of dangerous, because you're lumping all of these people with QAnon. It is. It does lead you down a very presumptive road. Yeah. Well, and that actually, sorry, Lou, go ahead. Well, I was going to say, but with that said, it still is a good warning.

Like how this subject can suck you in and put you in a path that is really destructive to yourself. And you look at Paul Benowitz. Yes, exactly. So it's, it's, I think it's a, if, if, I wish the title was different and the emphasis on it was different. Like, hey, if you're not careful, this is what could happen. But this example does not mean that everyone in this is what is, is who they are. And, but there is an underbelly to this that is really nasty where they're, you know, they're like a membership where they're collecting $100 a year. they've got, you know, you know, $250 manual, you know, all of these things that they have to pay for.

They don't get paid for their time. They put in a multitude, you know, full-time job sometimes to be an investigator. And then they do their own job. And then they've got, you know, they're married. They've got kids that they've got to balance with that. And they get sucked in. And it just completely, it's like a cult a little bit, you know. So you have to, I think those stories are important.

But you need to highlight them, I think, in a different way that doesn't paint the brush on everybody else and lump us all into, oh, we're all spending this money. We're all wasting this time. We're all crazy conspiracy theorists. We all don't love our family. We ignore our children. We're all hermits that live in a, you know, in a bubble. You know, so it's, that's, you know, that's what I didn't like about it. But at the same time, it is like, be warned.

Like, this does happen and it can happen to you. easily, so don't place, try not to have a belief system when it comes to this. Don't build your entire identity around it. Correct. Exactly. I know you said that. Don't call yourself UFO, Jane. Your whole identity.

Don't start a YouTube channel talking about UFO. I do want to thank Jean Charlevoix for the amazing donation. you so much. Do you guys realize that the U.S. is, this is what Gene said, do you guys realize the U.S. is one of very few countries where this conversation can take place as freely as we are witnessing? I personally have no idea what opinion the people around me have on UAPs. Please keep it going. Thank you, Gene. That's amazing. And again, that's what it's all about. And someone else gave us a super chat. John, thank you so much, John. But that actually bleeds right into the next article. I want to talk to you guys about before we finally get to the meat of the conversation,

the big phone home. This op-ed piece that came out, or I shouldn't say op-ed, an open letter to the UFO community by Sean Cahill, who was a chief petty officer during the TikTok event of 2004. And this really kind of put me in my shoes, and I was like, wow, this could not have come at a better time with kind of, we're in a weird place right. now. We're post, you know, UAP report. We've got, you know, these controversy going on in the UFO community with an experiencer who is claiming to finally provide evidence of aliens living in, what is it, mountains or a cave or something like that. And it's frustrating because every time we think

we're making headway, something comes along that seems to give us, put us two steps back. I had this conversation with Jimmy Church last night, actually, where we kind of came to the conclusion we're not really taking steps back. Like this is just, you're taking a little detour. There's a timetable for it. And if it's not what it is, we get back on the main road and we keep moving on. But what did you guys think about this open letter to the UFO community by Sean Cahill? Anyone who wants to hop in with that. You're great of protecting your data, but lots of places could still expose you to identity theft.

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I mean, I thought that, you know, it was basically like, don't be a dick and like don't destroy everything we've made just because you have a different idea, right? I mean, that's what I got out of it. And I realized that, you know, there's so much infighting within the community. And, you know, that's all we try to do in our shows is take people who have different opinions. And let's air those opinions out. And let's run them through our filters of logical fallacies and cognitive bias. And let's, let's learn something. That's all we do.

Yeah. That's a good point. What did you guys think about it? Yeah, I thought it was beautiful writing. He really paints a great picture. I thought it was a great piece of prose and, you know, really, really fun to read. You know, I thought that the message kind of seemed to be that he, at least my reading, was that he wanted to kind of detach the new research from the kind of the history of alien bodies and woo and that sort of stuff, kind of trying to tell us that people who are investigating it now might not want to be associated with all that. stuff. And I think that that's a decent message. It kind of goes on to what Lou was saying, is that you can't really take, although there might be truth behind all that stuff, in the present form, you can't take that and give it to a congressman and woman and advance the conversation. So I think that there's a lot of wisdom in what he was saying. Right. And, you know, it's so funny. I was listening to a, I listened to a movie review podcast, you know, and I'm not

listening to you guys or every other UFO podcast out there. I love listening to movie reviews. and they were reviewing the Langalears that made for TV movie Stephen King and it was hilarious reliving that movie in my mind with them but kind of the concept of the Langaleers, this story, is these creatures that manifest through fear and through this and through that and they literally chew up time.

So in the, you know, the conceit of this story what I think King was going for is there is no past. Like literally these creatures destroy the past. So how can we look into the future or how can we change the future if there's no past to go back

and ultimately change? So kind of this really interesting concept with time and space. But it kind of brought me back to this idea of Sean's right. Like yeah, we can appreciate everything that came before what's going on now in the UFO field.

We obviously build off of that research and move forward. But yeah, kind of leaving that behind because that's the stuff that will scare people away and will not, we won't get scientists to want to get involved. There's too much baggage from the past, alien autopsy, you know, all these other things that have gone on. So kind of, I loved how Sean framed this thing. I really didn't. Like you said, his pros were amazing. I do want to read one line here. This son of a bitch, he's a good writer. This is not a new cycle. It's a fight to change the course of history. This fight doesn't have a bevy of embedded journalists feeding the satellite. It reports back to HQ with solid

progress and not until. You are both HQ and audience. Get out of the stands and into the trenches. I'll see you there. I mean, if that's not like a call to action, I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. Pretty inspiring writing. I love it. I love it. As a playwright, he's killing me here with all of this. But yeah, anything else you guys want to touch on with Sean's open letter and what we should think about in the community? It was just so meta. You know, it's like, I mean, this is definitely not an article.

My mom's going to read, you know, to learn about UFOs. It was very, very, like, targeted, the specific community. I would say, yeah, I thought it was extremely well written. I really, really enjoyed reading it. So I've just appreciated that. I was just like it's kind of this thing that we're like we're kind of so obsessed with like our own culture and infighting and and like what's to come and the thing is is the UFO Twitter UFO field or whatever is going to get dwarfed increasingly dwarfed you know so quickly and absorbed by the world's like point of view on this, which is full of witnesses and all kinds of people. And it's going to be such a big conversation soon. So I think what really got me is I think we just, I don't know how much

longer we have left these like little kind of, I guess we'll continue to have these like inside inside conversations and panels. But it really is turning into this kind of gap between between worlds. Yeah. Not super eloquent, but that, yeah, that's kind of what I took from it.

Absolutely. Yeah. And I think everyone kind of took something different from it. I loved it. I really did. It really made me look at myself and how I either present my research or my,

just how I handle this topic in a public forum. And, you know, is me going on Twitter and, you know, not making fun of, but immediately, judging someone who claims to be an experiencer.

Is that what I set out to do when I first got involved in this topic? No, I didn't want to be an asshole. I didn't want to be that dick saying that all these people are making shit up. Like, I wanted to work with them and understand why they think this happened to them and stuff. So it did make me kind of step back and be like, I wrote a book about experiencers and their lives and how it impacted them. I am the last person who should be immediately saying, no, that person is not telling the truth. It's impossible. Again, we will wait and see.

And that's what it comes down to for me. All of these experiencers. All of it is just a story. All of it until there's evidence. And supposedly we're going to get that evidence. And if we don't, we move on. Right. I think Zach Saichi is such a great example of this.

And he talks about this a lot. He spent some time on our shows, and he's like, you know what? I was an asshole to UFO Twitter. I was just a jerk because I had my belief, and my belief was right. And I think that's where, you know, his growth and humility, you know, when he shared that, I was moved. Because I was like, that's the way to go. And I think that's what Sean was getting at as well. I think so, too.

Well, awesome. Let's reset the room, guys. talk about it. We are here with Louisa Menace. Michael, we've got Ruther, we've got UFO Jane, everyone's here from the Big Phone Home and everything in between. You guys

all have shows. I can't keep them straight anymore. But you are all coming together for the Big Phone Home 2, which starts tomorrow. My God, it snuck up on us, as I'm sure it has you guys. Let's go right into it.

Tell us about who is going to be there. I'm going to pull up the speakers here if I can. Boom, there we go. And if you guys, if there's anyone who really stands out that you want to really talk about, be my guest, Luis, of course, this is your baby. So if you want to start, tell us a little about who's going to be there, who you're excited about, and whatever you want, man. Yeah, well, I mean, you know, the first one was only one day. So we kind of had to mash everybody into these big panels. So when we were coming up with the idea this time, I was like, well, maybe we should do three days, you know. And they came up with the idea of, well, let's separate these three days of the sort of categories.

You know, the first day we'll have podcasters, journalists, experiencers, you know, everyone who's, you know, who's in the community, a community show, essentially. And we'll end, you know, we're ending the day with fans of the show that call in and talk to us. and share their opinions of the day. And then the second day, we're going to be doing science and tech, directly associated with UAP on Michael's channel, the Singularity Lab. And we reached out to Rich Hoffman, the SCU, and we reached out to the Galileo Project and Avi Loeb.

And they were instrumental in helping us get a whole bunch of scientists to come talk to us in this UAP discussion and how we can scientifically encourage talk about it, first of all, and then how we can encourage other scientific boards, thinkers, mouthpieces to join the conversation. And then on the day three, we're focused on the military aspect of the discussion. So former and current government officials, veterans, we're having Chris Lito, who, F-16, team fighter pilot. He's been going back and forth with Mick West. So that's going to be a really

fun conversation. You know, Jazz Shaw is going to be there day three. We've got Danny Sheehan. We've got Lou Elizando. You know, so the day three is, the one conversation I'm really, really, really looking for. There's two conversations on day three that I'm just like super excited about. And so the first panel is going to be Danny Sheehan, Annie McGrellan, John Greenwald, and Jamarral Thomas. Um, it's a two hour conversation. It's just going to be absolutely epic. And then the second conversation I'm really looking forward to is, uh, Lou Elizando, Rich Hoffman, Ross Colthart and Robert Salas. Um, so, you know, just the nuclear aspect of this, I think has been kind of overlooked. Nobody's really talking about it. So I, I, you know, we're lucky that we got, um, Mr. Robert Salas to join us. So that's going to be a really, really, really cool discussion and panel. Um, and yeah, that, you know, the, the, the idea is, the, the idea. is to just have these wonderful conversations where people can partake, ask questions, you know, and see where it goes, see what happens when we bring these minds together, what kind of conversations we can spark and then hopefully inspire people to use the website to activate themselves

and send a couple emails or tweets or sign the petition. You know, we're bringing all these people together to, you know, the guests coming on the show is the charity. the website and the activism, that's the cake. You know, everything else is just icing. And that's why it's free. You know, because we want to attract as many people as we can. We want everybody to watch. We don't want you to feel left, anybody to feel left out.

And because of that, we're begging you. Use the website, activate yourself, get in touch with your local state representatives. It's why we're giving it away for free. You know, it's an exchange. We give you the free show. we give you the free three-day UFO conference with scientists and everybody and we've even got a congressman we've got congressman Tim Burchett is going to be joining us the first day so we actually have a congressman this website was a big part in getting you know the staffers looked at it and then they passed it on to the congressman and the congressman's like sure

I'll do it you know after of course Dan Warren um helped us get in touch with the congressmen so that big kudos to him uh for helping us facilitate that And yeah, you know, we're trying to attract as many public officials as we can with this event. And we're going to be galvanizing people during the event to reach out to congressmen and senators and seeing if we can actually get them interested. If we get a couple thousand tweets at Marco Rubio, who knows? Maybe we can get Marco Rubino come talk to us about, you know, the UFOs and UAPs and what's going on. I really, really, really, really want to talk to Bill Nelson.

That's going to definitely be one of the people that I hope we can get a couple thousand tweets at Bill Nelson to come talk to us for 10 or 15 minutes about what's going on with NASA and the UFO topic. And, you know, again, we're looking to kill stigma. We're looking to bring people together on common ground. We're looking to activate people to motivate them to interact with their government. And we're just giving you essentially a playbook of how to ask for things and demand transparency or whatever you want. It doesn't have to be about UFOs. It can be outside of UFOs. But it's just a playbook.

It's a play-by-play on how to do it. And it just so happens that we want UFO transparency in public hearings. Exactly. But you can use a website for any kind of activity. you are. Cool, man. Well, let's, let's tackle this observation. Good to see great women speakers. Women need more visibility in these discussions. I think we can all agree on that. So, Jane, of course, we're going to throw it to you, right? Tell us a little about what you're going to be doing at the event, who you're going to be talking with, and yeah, what's going to be

going on in your neck of the woods with Big Phone Home. Yeah, I'm so excited. So, yes, So speaking of women, so tomorrow, a two PST, two Pacific, five Eastern, we'll have a ladies' hour. So it'll be Nikita Kranda or NK.K. Kranda, you might know her as that. So she works with experiencers and people have actually experienced, like, trauma. And so she's really, her perspective is really interesting. And Jess Rogi, my good friend and solid researcher. and podcaster and then Lynn from Spaced Out Radio. And then we'll also have Louelizondo on.

It looks like for the second half of that hour. For the whole hour. Okay, great. I can quite tell on the schedule. Yeah, that makes it. I'll change where he's at. I mean, I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I couldn't quite tell. Glad we had this planning session, guys. So we're going to. Thanks, guys. We still got time. You got 14 hours. You've got 14 hours according to. We'll get it. We'll get it all.

We'll get all worked out, all the little details and eyes crossed. Sorry, Jay. Go ahead. Oh, yeah. That sounds awesome. But we're going to kind of get, maybe I'd just show a different side of Lou, get like a more female perspective than maybe he's used to. And then also, I will say, for Science Day, we've got Chase Kleski.

You've got the forensics background and Dr. Desry heard. Tack who her resume is like incredible archaeology, environmental sciences, like all across her perspective will be great. And then Monday talking to Lori Refelt, who is former U.S. Air Force and she was actually stationed about Raf Bentwaters in 1980 and saw some things before the Rendlisham, that famous incident. So she'll be, you know, really incredible. to talk to. So I've got some women lined up for you guys that, and then Erica Luke's will be in there too and Britt. So yeah, so there's other women I didn't even mention. So, wow. Awesome.

That sounds amazing. Yeah. And I'm so happy Lori's going to be there. Her story having to do with the Rendezum events is a piece of the puzzle that I don't think a lot of people have really focused on. So I'm really excited to hear what she has to say and how it takes. ties in to the famous Rendell Schumphorres incidents as well. So that's pretty cool. Rather, what are you going to be taking part in at the big phone home? Yeah, I'm just, at all. I'll be along for the ride.

I mean, you know, trying to manage the chat. You know, throwing some good questions while I can and having a lot of fun. It's going to be just amazing discussions. Every hour, it's going to be, you know, great, great guests. I'm just really looking forward to all the discussion. And I think we're actually going to make a difference, you know, getting these people, you know, everyone to call Congress is how we get disclosure to happen. You know, these congresspeople aren't going to do it by themselves.

They need this impetus. And I think that this is what the movement needs. And I'm really excited and honored to be a part of it. Awesome. And again, we have to stress how important, but how easy as well it is to just tweet to these people. I mean, Luis did it the other day and said, guys, just reach. tweet this. It's all I'm asking, you click one button and that's going to flood them. And that's when they're going to be like, all right, fine, maybe I'll take a look at this. And then you guys know,

just like me, the minute I click on an article, and then it's just a rabbit hole from there. And that's where you get them. And that's when they start going into meetings being like, do you read that classified report? I didn't look at that. Should we go look at it? Because we can. We should probably do that, you know? So I think it's awesome. And like, it's so easy. and you guys have made it so easy. And for all the people out there who say, it's not going to make a difference, the truth embargo will continue.

Okay, that's fine. But if we don't at least try, then we're just going to be having the same, not even argument, we're just going to have the same pity party for the rest of this, you know, for the rest of our lives when it comes to UFOs. So I know that was not an eloquent way to say it.

Well, I will say, thank God, Martin Luther King didn't think like that. Thank God, Malcolm X didn't think like that or any great leader throughout history on whatever the topic was. Yeah. Yeah. If that's your thinking, I'm sorry, you've probably, you've lost. Like they got already lost. You know, you've fallen, you fall in, you fall a victim to exactly what they wanted you to be, which is just. you know.

You know, like how do you eat an elephant? You know, one bite at a time. You got to start somewhere. And it might seem insurmountable right now, but. I mean, again, it's why we brought on Tommy Zito. It's working. It's working. And I know, I don't know if I was like on the chat can, like, speak to this.

I know Ryan can. But look, before like 2017, UFOs weren't real. Like they officially were not real. So I started out anonymous when I blogged about it, and I've increasingly felt like I don't have to be anonymous. And so I think if we think just a lot, think about the stigma of reporting UFOs in the past and how that is going away. And I think that alone shows that it's working. If people can report a UFO and not worry about some shadowy men and black figure following them or coming to visit them, then that's progress.

You know, whether or not we prove that even the aliens are visiting or not. I think that's big progress. It is. And again, some of these names and faces we're seeing that are taking part. These are not the people you would necessarily expect would take part in something like this. I'm, you know, I'm looking at the scientists specifically. Like, they have a very strict way of doing their research, and it's usually, you know, in the shadows. And they don't really want the world to know they're doing this.

but then you have people like Kevin Canuth coming to the event or Rich Hoffman who, you know, work with the SCU as well. And the fact that they're willing to come on to something like this. And, you know, I don't want to say tarnish the reputation because that's not something UCR would do, could do, or the big phone home. But just to talk about UFOs, that can be suicide, career suicide for a lot of people. So I think it's amazing the people you were able to rope in for this. And I mean, roping in a good way. I think the part of the reason is is because when you look at our website, there's not a picture or mention of UFO anywhere. The word UFO is nowhere on the website.

It's nowhere in our advertising or marketing, except for UFO Jane. Yeah, that's granted. I stand corrected, except for UFOJ. But that's why I think, well, actually, if you go to her name, it might say Jane Kyle, Kay. Oh, that's true. Yeah, yeah, you can always just do the name. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, I think that's why.

when we sent the one of the first things I was very, very adamant about. I don't want to see aliens. I don't want to see UFOs. I don't want to see any of that stuff because if I send that to a senator, gone out of there. They're not even going to open it, click on it. But if the website's easy to use, if it's straightforward, if it's respectful, and it's to the point, we might have a shot, you know?

And I think it's like Jane said, it's working. I mean, we've got a congressman coming on the show. We've got a congressman coming on the show. You know, I've already given you the example that I've already heard from my senator. So this website, and no offense to Michael, because he helped me design the first one. But even Michael admit, this website is infinitely better than the first one we had up. It's so much easier to use. And honestly, I want to just give a shout out to James Fox.

his website was a huge inspiration and sort of the the the the the framework we kind of looked at and used when we built ours. But we just added more. We made it easier. We added a petition. We added templates written by John Greenwald and Tommy Zito and Rather. And and we've got it's just it's a tool belt filled with a bunch of wonderful tools to to talk about UAP in a, in a, in a, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, a manner that a senator or congressman will pay attention to it. And a big shout out to Ben from UFO Garage who designed this website.

He built this website. I mean, yeah, Nito Creative. It's just extraordinary the legitimacy that he helped to install in this process. So much thanks to Nito and Ben. I mean, not only that, but he's also been adding a lot of the visuals that you guys see, the posters. All of that stuff, we had a designer make it. but the way he's been able to sort of edit all of these images and and fit them to exactly my specifications, because I've been very, very picky with what I, if you've worked with me,

you'll know, I got, you know, I've got, you know, I think I have a high standard when it comes to, to the looks and feels of things. And if I don't like it, I'm going to be honest with you. And, and Ben was so damn awesome. Just help. helping us like all of those thumbnails. He helped us design. Every single aspect that you see here, it all came from Ben's, uh, Ben's expertise and, and help. So if you need a website, I highly recommend to go check him out. Absolutely. Sorry to block your face there, buddy. I forgot to take that off. Um, I want to say good night to John. John was very, very gracious with his donations to the show tonight and his questions. So John, have a good night, buddy. Thank you for being here.

have Gary Borges in the chat as well. What's up? Worth every penny, he says. Let me get that up on here. Thank you, Gary. Again, sorry, Louise. No, it's fine. It's fine. There we go. You trust me. You don't want to lose

viewers here. Oh, stop. Sorry. Gary, thank you. Thank you for that. I appreciate that. There was one other thing I wanted to put up on here. I don't remember where I saw it. Paisley says, write call, retweet, be polite, but be relentless. That's so true.

Like we were talking about Tommy earlier. Like, this took him a year to get a 10 minute, two years. Two years. I was being generous to get a 10 minute meeting. But it made all the difference in the world, which is amazing. So think of how many people saw the first phone home event and are going to be watching through these three days. if every one of us tweeted and called or wrote a written letter, which is also something you can do.

You can print out our templates and do that. Yeah. If you wanted to make it easy. Yeah. Yep. Thank you so much, Gary. Thanks for being here. I really appreciate it.

What did I miss Invisible Night School? A lot, man. You'll have to catch up. Go back and start the beginning. Yeah, yeah. Good day. Good morning from Winston. I'm assuming they're in Australia.

Well, is there anything else about the event you guys want to share with us before we start to wrap things up here? You guys got to go get to work. You've been on YouTube for, God, the past four or five hours. I know you have a lot of work ahead of you. But, yeah, is there any last sort of closing things you want to bring up about the big phone home happening this weekend? I think that everything that we can say about the big phone home has been said, but the bottom line is we're just looking for support. We're just looking for people who are interested in this topic, who want a bit more transparency.

If we've got a preliminary UAPTF report that's unclassified, what else is in the classified version? These are answers we want. These are the things that we're looking for, and this is what we believe we will attain. And it just takes momentum. As rather in Louise said, it's all about building the momentum. zero action creates zero results. So we're just trying to take actions that can mobilize a community to create a movement to get the attention of the people who can actually help us make a change. And that's the goal of the Big Phone Home too.

And that's what we hope you all will join us for this weekend. Thanks, Michael. And I do want to put this up here. You guys should get James Fox on the Big Phone Home. He's a big transparency advocate. That could not be more true. I know James is, I think, in Brazil right now. Brazil, yeah.

I tell you, I've tried. I have tried a lot to get James Fox. So much so that I basically pushed his website instead of mine on the big first big phone home because I was so in love with his website. You know, so yeah, I mean, maybe, maybe part three. Who knows? Maybe we can get him to. He'll come see us.

Maybe he'll come see us this time. I mean, we could always tweet at him. I know he's in Brazil. I know he's film. so I don't, we'll see. Well, I mean, we look, last time we had some surprise guests that we didn't plan coming in. Oh, it's going to happen. It's going to happen.

It's going to happen. I know you guys are going to have people. You will have some surprise guests. It's just bound to happen. And I'm sure they will be pretty, pretty stellar and exciting. But yeah, any other last words, Jane, rather? I'm just really looking forward to it. It's going to be a blast.

I just think Michael Rather and Louise have done, they're the heart. workers like behind everything so you know I will be there and but they've done such a great job putting this event together and I'm so excited to be part of it and I hope everybody tunes in and not just that like this is also a different way to talk to family and friends too because now you have this activism like policy angle where you could almost talk to them about it in a neutral way and it's not even about if aliens are real it's just like I'm curious about this maybe maybe maybe they sign the petition to support you as their family member

a friend of you or something. I think that's a keep that in mind too when you're talking to folks in regular life. I'll also just add a lot of the chat here guys. Let's go. Great way to get introduced to the UFO community. You know, like prior to the first

big phone home, I didn't know about most of these people in the community. It's pretty overwhelming to go to UFO Twitter, go to YouTube and figure out, you know, who are the interesting names to follow. And, you know, we've got a lot of them these three days.

So, you know, if you're looking to know who interesting to follow, you know, come check out Big Phon home, too. Gary, yeah. Gary, I mean, if you want to be one of our surprise guests on maybe day three during our military day, we would love to have you. I'm sure

we'd be able to squeeze you in there somewhere. But, you know, he's a show guy, man. We can make it work. I have. had him on not too long ago and he blew my mind with some of this stuff he's been looking into. So yeah, Gary, if you can make it any of the three days, man, please, please reach out. Yeah.

Well, and look, if you can't make it, that's cool too. I mean, if you're looking for other ways to help, retweet, you know, anytime we, we, we, share the website, share the website yourself. Use the hashtag the big phone home to, which we is trending now, that it's been trending for at least three or four days. So, you know, use the hell out of it. It's definitely a big reason why we had so many viewers for the first one. So, you know, hey, man, if that's how you can help, that would be immense. You know, word of mouth is the best way you can help if you can't be there physically

or for the stream. If you can't watch it, you're busy. And that's why we're doing it on the weekend, you know. That's why we didn't do it in the middle of a weekday because we know people are working. And also, you know, just to avoid big news stories. Like if we had done this on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and say Afghanistan happened a month later than it did, we would be doing an event asking for UAP transparency during that mess. It would looking sensitive. It would look just awkward and out of touch. So that's why we're doing it on the weekend. So we can avoid

things like that. And to look not out of touch, we also understand that, you know, there's a lot of other suffering in the world. So check out the website. There's also links there to donate to refugees that have been directly affected by the crisis in Afghanistan. And also there's a link to the Red Cross if you want to help people with that have been displaced by Hurricane Ida.

So there's, you know, those. We've added onto the website. So please, you know, like. And just to go back to kind of what Jane said, making it a political conversation where you can make it neutral. Like, we're having a whole bunch of scientists on the show. This is a science conversation now. So you can pass these kind of things onto, you know, people that may not be into the topic, but maybe really love science, you know. Maybe that people that aren't into the topic, but love military speak.

We're going to have all of those things as much as we can within the three days. And so hopefully it encourages, you know, people to. share it. I think my favorite story is my neighbors across the street. She found my show. I don't know how. I can't I think it was her husband who started watching it. And they love it. They had no idea about the topic. They love the science that we bring to the discussion, both on Michael's channel and on my channel. We try to do it as best we can too. But we're not the scientists. We bring the scientists on and talk to them and ask them questions. But yeah, you know, it's just trying to bring this conversation into a place where, you know, it's a topic that brings people together as opposed to pushes people apart because it's a bipartisan issue. That's the most important thing. It's a bipartisan issue, UAP. So. And Luis, that's reflective in your speaker list. I mean, I know there's people on that list that wouldn't be caught dead being on a show with one another and don't get along and would never go to a conference and say.

speak with this person, but here they are, all being a part of the big phone home, because they see the bigger picture. So that's what you guys have done. You've brought the community together. You've introduced us all to each other. Putting faces to names is so important, I think, in this field. And seeing the human that's actually behind the screen is so important, too. So you guys have done an amazing job with that. Gary is in, he said. So he's going to reach out to you guys. Excellent, excellent. Excellent. Excellent. Well, well, We've got to get it together after the show, see where we can put it. I've actually got a spot on science day if that works for him.

Oh, I think he can do that. He's taking some courses right now that you'll find really interesting, for sure. Other than that, UCR has become something truly special, Carl says, and I couldn't agree more. You guys, and like Jane said, she and I have been in this field for a really long time, and I have never seen such a strong community. And it's always good bringing me to tears. We've spent so many years doing what we do and being made fun of or being shamed by the older guard or everything in between

and just arguing and not getting anywhere. And boom, here you guys come and you're doing five shows a week. You're so positive. You're working your butts off. to make these sort of things happen. And I just want to say, thank you. Thank you for what you're doing. Thank you for letting me be a part of it.

And I'm excited for what's to come the next three days. And, yeah, that's the last thing I'm going to say. At first, I didn't think it was real. I woke up to this blinding light, and I was transported to another place. Pluto TV. Then I heard a voice. Come with me if you want to live.

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Well, Ryan, it's truly a pleasure. I mean, you and UFO Jane have been true trailblazers, so we're just following your footsteps. Yeah. We're standing on your shoulders, that's for sure. And, you know, hey, man, like this is not. This is for everyone. No, we don't own this. You know, take this website and make it your own.

Make it your thing. And we encourage that. Go for it. Have fun. Have fun. That's key. Well, let's throw the socials out there, guys, for each of you before we go here. We'll start.

Jane. Tell us where we can find everything you're up to. Yeah. So, UFOJ&TX right there. That's the Instagram. And then, I mean, if you search UFO Jane, you know, on the different social media places, you'll find me. Because I'm different. It's different.

It's very confusing. It's different. You are all everywhere. But I'm everywhere. Awesome. Like, give it to us, brother. I, and you can find me on Twitter at Singularity. Mike.

Gary, I just followed you on Twitter. So I'll be reaching out to get you on the show. And then you can also find me at the Singularity Lab. on YouTube, day two of the Biggerphone Home will be hosted there. So all I got to do is type in The Singularity Lab on YouTube. And yeah, that's it. And then we're on Unidentified Celebrity Review, Monday, Wednesday, Friday as well. Awesome.

Rather, let's do it, man. Happy Squitting. YouTube, rather be squitting. And this weekend at the Big Phon Home, too. Perfect. And Luis, last but not least, brother. Give it to us. Lou Angeles, L-U-Angulus.

Just check out my link tree and my Twitter. it'll give you all of the links to where you can find the big phone home, where you can find my channel, where you can find Mike's channel, where you can find Rather, all of that stuff. So, yeah, that's it. Awesome. And again, it's thebigphonehome.com. Three free days of amazing speakers and guests and ways to activate yourself and get involved.

So everyone, go check it out. I'm going to say, goodnight to you guys. Do my little socials separately so you can go have the rest of your night free. and hopefully relax. You have a lot of work ahead of you. So I'm going to say good night, Louise, rather Michael, Jane. Thank you so much.

I'll see you first thing tomorrow morning, Ryan Sprink. Bright at, what's this? Bright eye and bushy. Right early for me. I think it'll be mid-morning for you. Mid-morning. Yeah, it depends on how to night goes. Yeah.

Blue-eyed and bushy-tailed. Here we go. Blue-eyed and bush-tailed. I love it. Thank you, guys. Have a great night, all right. You too. Thank you.

That was incredible. Guys, thank you for joining us for this hour and a half live stream. Please, please join us at the Big Phone Home. It's going to be an amazing event. And again, I have to thank Michael and Luis and Jane and rather for everything they've done to make this thing come together. It's giving me hope in the UFO field. Something, you know, we're let down a lot in this field.

And a lot of really good stuff has been going on in the past couple years, and we can't let go of that. We got to keep it going, and that's what they're doing with the big phone home. So again, the big phone home.com is where you can find everything. You can even watch the streams right from the website as well. Other than that, please check out somewhere in the skies, as always on YouTube, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm on Twitter at SomewhereSkies, Instagram at Somewhere SkiesPod.

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So many more. Red Beard. Chris, Carl, Boss, anonymous Rex. You guys have been so supportive. And I really do appreciate that. And if I'm forgetting you, I will get it next time. So join me on the next live stream. other than that, have a great night.

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