Somewhere in the Skies - Bonus: Halloween Ends: A Movie Review

Episode Date: October 30, 2022

We celebrate Halloween with a review of the final installment in the latest Halloween movie trilogy, Halloween Ends. The iconic Michael Myers and Laurie Strode square off in what will be their final bloody confrontation... sorta. To break down the film and its highly divisive storyline and conclusion are actor/producer, Nicholas Westemeyer, horror director and filmmaker, Dennis Cahlo, and actress and podcast host, Bethany Watson! Was this a satisfying end to the 44 year story of Lori and "The Shape"? What was up with that shockingly disturbing opening? And who loved and hated the film? Enjoy our Halloween special and enjoy your Halloween! Follow our guests on Twitter or Instagram: Nicholas Westemeyer: https://twitter.com/Nwestemeyer Dennis Cahlo: https://www.instagram.com/denniscahlo/ Bethany Watson: https://www.instagram.com/msbethanywatson/ Ryan is now on Cameo! Book your video today at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DO Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Official Store: CLICK HERE Buy Somewhere in the Skies coffee! Use promo code: SOMEWHERESKIES10 to get 10% off your order: https://bit.ly/3rmXuap Order Ryan’s book in paperback, ebook, or audiobook: https://amzn.to/3PmydYC Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Read Ryan’s Articles by CLICKING HERE Watch Mysteries Decoded for free at: https://bit.ly/3rJpbd7 Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte Copyright © 2022 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So I hope you enjoy this horror movie review with your morning coffee. It is almost 4 p.m. here in the UK. So we're moving on from coffee. I got a little bit of a little fun inebriation plan for tonight. I'm going to need it. But that has nothing to do with our guests. It has everything to do with the movie we will be discussing. And as you saw in the intro, it is Halloween ends,

the highly divisive movie that just came out to end the most recent trilogy of the Halloween franchise. So to discuss this movie today with us is, is we have Dennis Kalo. We have Bethany Watson. And we have Nick Westmeyer. Guys, welcome to somewhere in the skies. Hi. Hello, hello.

Oh my gosh. That was the most excited intro I've ever had for me. So thank you guys. Thank you for joining me. I know it's early. We're highly caffeinated and psyched to be here. Cheers. Ryan,

to be a person who listens to your voice on a weekly basis and then see you talking live is like, like and actually being here is such an honor. Because you know, I've been such a huge fan of yours for so long. And then like after we connected, I was like, oh my God, we're friends now. Best friends. But every time I listen to the podcast, I'm like, God, he's so good. And I'm like, wait, I know him.

I text him sometimes. I know, even during the intro, Dennis just tapped me and he went, he's so good. Nick, what do you have to? What good things do you have to say about me, Nick? No, I'm just kidding. Nick and I go way, way back. That's true. The truth of my nice friendship is this.

Ryan's like, Nick, I know I haven't talked to you in a while, but I'm moving apartments. Can you come like right now? Yes. Are you going to mind me a couple of wild wings? Yes. Yes. And then he doesn't hear from me for a minute.

Where were you when I moved to Scotland? Come on. I wouldn't. Listen, I would have come for that. That's a free. Nick you should have Yeah Nick you really should have If you were a decent friend

Even a decent friend you would have gotten on that I'm a failure I'm a failure as a friend You're a failure as a friend Well Guys we could preamble forever But the reason we're here today Is to discuss Halloween ends I do want to say hello to everyone in the chat

Is the video over? No West rule It's just beginning my friend So welcome. Hillary is here. It's just getting started. Hi, guys. Welcome, welcome, welcome. So, yeah, we're going to be discussing Halloween ends.

For those of you who have not seen it yet, this will be a very spoiler, heavy review episode. So warning you right now. And hey, if you're watching it live, you haven't seen the movie, I don't know why I'm saying this, but stop watching us.

It's on Peacock or the movie theater. What poor marketing on my part. watching us right now. You know, Ryan, since I started doing my YouTube videos, like, I can see where, where I say, like, so here's where I get into spoilers. That's immediately where people stop watching. And then they come back like a week later. They're like, I finally watched the movie and now I can finish this fucking review.

In five minutes. Can we curse on here? Absolutely. Okay. I just want to talk about the difference in backdrops. It's like mega backdrop with me and Dennis. Ryan, he's got like, A backdrop. Me's like, I'm in my kitchen.

Yeah. It goes from, you can see the evolution from Nick's Kitchen to my measly attempted Halloween to like full on professional or film director and film actor. It's like, here's Nick. And there's Bethlehem Des. You're like, it's all. You know, we're talking to dollar store back here. We got these for free at Coles.

Coles cash. Yeah, Coles. We use Coles cash to get all this stuff. That's the most suburban thing you've said. Yeah. I know. I know. We're now suburban. If you return Amazon packages to Coles, you get $5.

Coles cash. You spend it on Halloween. There you go. There is your tip of the day, guys. There you go. Love it. Yeah. Anything to shove it to Amazon.

Exactly. And we're also wearing our Art Bell headsets in honor of, you know, the, not just spooky season, but this is the, you know, we're talking to an alien expert, you know, so it's like we had to sort of pay homage to Art Bell as well. And we're the founder of the feast. The founder of the feast. I love it. Well, for any of our watchers, our eventual listeners, this will be a podcast as well after the live stream.

Let's introduce you guys to the audience. We saw some brief intros there. Nick, I hope you enjoyed that little Frat House Massacre cameo I found. Tell us who you guys are. Nick, let's start with you, buddy. Who are you? What do you do? Why are you here today? I'm Nicholas Westimer. I am a college professor, an actor, and a director in New York, based out of New York. That's what I do. I'm here because I love all of these beautiful people in this room, and I love talking horror movies. It's literally my, I look forward to it every year. I make Ryan do these, so I can come talk to them.

He does, usually by gunpoint, but he didn't have that. Yeah, but he moved to Scotland, so I had to figure out new ways to do it. Yeah, yeah. Bribery. Bribery is a funny, fickle thing. Dennis, Bethany. Yeah, introduce yourselves to our audience, if you don't mind. Yeah, I'm Bethany Watson.

I'm a former radio host. I am an actress and a podcaster now. I do two podcasts. One is called an Acquired Taste, and one is called The Check-in, which is a bonus of an acquired taste. I do the check-in with Dennis. And yeah, Dennis and I stream on Twitch and... We make horror movies. We make horror movies. So this is definitely a genre near and dear to my heart for sure.

And my name is Dennis Callow. I am a photographer and a filmmaker. Primarily horror. What else? Oh, I make YouTube videos. Please go subscribe if you can. YouTube.com slash decal. I'm trying to get monetized, Dan. I need to get a thousand followers beforehand. Yeah. But anyway, I do deep dive. Your videos are so good there, man. Yeah.

You'll do me subscribe. Yay. Thank you, Nick. Thank you so much. I do, yeah, I do deep dive documentaries. They're about like, you know, 18 minutes long. The first one that just came out is a how about Halloween three, ironically, season of the witch, which ties into this conversation right now.

But that's me. That's what I do. And Ryan and I are working on something where I'm developing two features right now, one with Ryan and Nick and one with Bethany and our friend Will. Yep. And yeah, so those are, so that's what's going on. Exciting. Stay tuned, guys. Yes. It was a very, it's crazy how small this world is. I remember, Dennis, you reaching out to me and saying you listened to the podcast. And, you know, whenever someone reaches out, I try to do my homework, be like, all right, who is this person? Are they going to, you know, show up at my doorstep and say that they were abducted by aliens?

Yeah. Not to make light of that, guys. I am a UFO person through and through. But you do have to be careful. Yeah. So I looked into you and I'm like, oh, whoa, this dude like makes horror films. And of course, being the scrappy young artist, I can't even use that word anymore. The scrappy artist I am. I'm like, I have a horror script.

I can use this person. And I send it off to you. And we've been friends and future colleagues ever since. Yep. I remember reading that. Yeah, I read that and I read it to Bethany. I said, this guy could write. Oh, it's so good.

Holy shit, he's a really good writer. So we, yeah, we're developing it. Everything is in development. Yep. But when it, when it actually happens, it's going to be real good. I'm excited. I'm really excited about what the future holds, you know? Yep.

And Nick is involved in too as well. Nick and I have made a movie in the past. So I'm really excited to continue working with him as well. Looks like he might be frozen here. But with such a screenshot. Yeah, look at the look

on his face. It's not in the glitch. I love it. That literally could be a horror movie right there. Nick is just here. Try to hop out and hop in, Nick, if you can,

buddy. And like the dark brooding look he has actually brings us really nicely into Halloween ends because I do love a brooding male trope. Like I love like a Heathcliff, like a dark boy who needs to be saved. It's one of my favorite things.

That's why you fell for me. That's why I felt for you. Yeah. And Halloween ends has that in spades. Oh, my gosh. Oh, it. Well, okay. Well, let's just do it.

Let's do it. I'm sure Nick will be back. Poor Nick. I can just keep frozen on the screen. Poor buddy. Nick, if you're listening to this, try hopping out and hopping back in. But hopefully we'll get you back very soon. But let's do it, guys.

Let's hop into Halloween ends. I'm going to go through some of the, um, the technical stuff here. Sure. We have Halloween ends directed by David Gordon Green, written by David Gordon Green, Danny McBride, Paul Brad Logan, and Chris Bernier, which four writers on this movie. So many cooks in that kitchen. My God, man. Dennis, we'll talk about that, because it should not take four people to write a horror movie in my personal.

And not this one, because this was a real, like, simple, you know, yeah. You have a lot of thoughts about this movie. I know. We're getting there, Bethany. This is the finale, apparently, of David Gordon Green's sequel trilogy, which started with Halloween 2018. Halloween kills, and this is Halloween ends. Notable returning cast members for this film are Jamie Lee Curtis, of course. My queen.

As Lori Strode. Queen. Queen. Love her. Andy Matich. I hope I'm saying this right. Matichick as Allison. which is Lori's granddaughter,

Will Patton as Deputy Frank Hawkins, probably one of my favorite characters, James Jude Courtney as the shape, and introducing Rowan Campbell as Corey Cunningham, which is going to be the bulk of what we're talking about

tonight. Cory. So those are the, oh, wait, no, I'm sorry, cinematography, Michael Simmons, which is another big part of this movie, we'll discuss. And of course, music in score by John and Cody Carpenter. The music. The music is fantastic.

You put, if you put John and his son, you know, in charge of the, of the music of this franchise, you're sad. You know what I mean? He's done, he's done all this, he's done the scores for pretty much up to, I think, Halloween three season of the witch. I don't know how he, how much he had to do. I dropped off after season of the witch. So, I mean, I've watched four through all of them, but like I just I don't really they're in and out.

The introduction of Halloween 4 is fantastic. If you want to get in the spooky season mood, that's just like one of the best intros. It feels like you're in October. But if you just put him in charge of this, of scoring anything that's horror, it's great. His album that he did,

I can't recommend it enough. Like he's got an album out of just spooky synth music and it's, it's great. Absolutely great. Have you seen the YouTube videos of him doing like live concerts of it? No. He's literally, it's so like, what would he call? Like, EDM?

Like, it's just a fair stage with John Carpenter, all these strobes going. And then just this old man, John Carpenter is sitting there like, and every now and again, like, kind of bobbing his head back. But the whole crowd is going on. This is John Carpenter live doing his music. That's so cool. Yeah. Yeah.

I know. It's interesting because I'm getting. ready for my December episode on my YouTube channel, which is going to be the thing, because it is a, yes, because it's cold weather horror, right? So like, I was like, the thing is my favorite cold weather horror film. And I listened to an interview with him about it. Excellent interview. And I felt such a connection with him because he's a musician who's also a director and I'm a musician as well. And I do some scoring for my own films once in a while. But he also said something interesting. And I think you as a writer would love this. You know, the interviewer was like, hey, so do you like, do you like writing, you know, your movies? He goes, oh, God, no, I hate it. If I can have a writer every time, I love writing.

He's terrible. You just in a room by yourself. It's the worst. And I was like, God, I love this man. He's just like, so grumpy. He's such an awesome grumpy man who like just knows what he wants to do. And it's just, he's such a straightforward guy. Such a straight shooter.

Like, I just, I just love that, man. I love that man. Sorry, I wouldn't have one of No, not at all, man. I mean, it's always worth talking about John Carpenter because, I mean, he is the reason we're here today. One of the funny things I have found is his disdain for Halloween 2. And we'll get to Halloween ends, guys.

It's been a long journey to that point. But just how we shouldn't technically have any of these movies. Yeah. We shouldn't be talking about this one tonight. We shouldn't be talking about curse of Michael Myers. we shouldn't even be talking about Halloween 2. John Carpenter wanted this to be a one-off. And obviously, you know, the studio was like,

we made the biggest boatload of money ever for a slasher horror movie. Yeah. We're making a damn sequel. And, you know, again, gun to his head. You're writing it. And he didn't want to do it. So, I mean, he's even gone on record saying he was absolutely wasted drunk writing Halloween 2 being like, the fuck am I doing?

I don't know. Here, he somehow survived. I don't know how we're not going to explain it. And it's so, it's so funny that this is the, this is the series where it's now just a joke that he, that Michael Myers always comes back somehow. And, um, and that this is the one character that John Carpenter was like, he's dead now, right? We killed him. No, he's definitely dead.

The script says he's for sure dead. This time though, he's dead. And it's like, no, he's back. Like it's just, it's the. the Martha Stewart effect where like the more you want something to be different, the more people focus on the way they want it. Uh-huh. Um, this is very funny to me. I love that. Yeah. And I also like I, so I am, I'm not a huge Halloween two fan. I think it's cool like the one location. But it also felt like a lot of like, hey, let's put tits in this. You know? Like, because like the first one didn't have any like, it didn't have any like sex. It was like, well, it did have sex. But it, but it wasn't exploited. Yeah. Exploited. Exploited. exploitative. Yeah. Yeah.

It wasn't yet the whole like have sex, you will die. Right. Yeah. What would you call a trope? Yeah. The trope. Yeah. Yeah.

And it was, it was more, Halloween, the first one. And this is, I say this repeatedly. And I know eventually when, you know, when people,

when I have enough stuff out there on YouTube, everyone's going to call me out for using atmosphere too much. Because that's, that's my number one rule of a horror film. You have to have to have, the atmosphere. If you build atmosphere, you can't go wrong. You just can't go wrong. And that first film has

it. You barely see. So, people get mad that you didn't see a lot of Michael Myers in this film, right? In Halloween ends. You don't see him a lot in the first one either. If you remember, it's a lot of him. He's in the end. There's a lot of Michael Myers. At the beginning,

it's him behind stuff. It's him in trees. It's him stalking. It's your point of view most of the time. It's not a lot of him. And that's what made it work is because they had a low budget they had to save all the big stuff for the end and it was a slow build to this ending that was amazing

and then we finally get them at the end. We earned Michael Myers, right? We earned him at the end. Which is why I think they went completely wrong with this series with this new David Gordon Green series. And look, I'm not an expert. I haven't even made a feature film

yet. It is a nightmare to make a film of any level. It's insane. however my hot take is had Halloween ends been the first film in the series this would have worked because then we would have had his whole arc Michael Myers could have come back slowly and we would have earned him at the end and we would have had this new guy to focus on which was you know the new shape of evil and his and his arc and I think if they had spread it out that way I think they just went ass backwards you know I feel like they they opened up with the spectacle of 2018 which was I hated it I hated it I hated Halloween 2018, I hated Halloween ends. I mean, Halloween kills. I hated them.

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Speaking of backside, Dennis. Show us your body. Look at that. Look at that. Amazing. Hold on. Hold on. There we go. Yeah. Look how pretty that is. I love it, I love it I'm trying over here I've got like the standard standard shirt

And I'm just wearing black Because it's my summer color Nick I love it I love it I'm gonna wear my Produced by Deborah Hill Oh sorry

What's up Nick All my computers fail So now I'm on my phone Oh Hey it looks great my man Welcome we're happy to have you back I knew you would make it work somehow. Well, Nick, so we've discussed kind of the beginnings of Halloween, you know, the first movie,

how it'll eventually tie into this one. And kind of, we talked about John Carpenter for a little bit, just catching up the audience and you to what has been discussed so far. I've got so many notes, guys. It's insane. I can't wait. I love a deep dive. Yeah, well, we'll see how deep it gets in this, because, like, I kind of gave up on the notes after the third time watching this. But let's talk about, yeah, go ahead, Nick. Oh, I was just saying, how many times have you viewed this

cinematic work of art? I liked it. Four. Oh, yeah. I remember the first night watching it, I texted you guys. I'm like, I am loving this. And then I watched it again, and I said, I hated this. And then I watched it again, and I liked it. Oh, I didn't like it.

That's how a movie should be, in my opinion. I think I'm, so my I'm the solo camp, I think, where I did not like this movie. I think I'll agree of you. Did you like any of the new Halloween movie? No. So the first two... Let's start there.

Yeah. 2018. The first of this trilogy, when I heard Danny McBride was involved, I'm like, what the hell? Like this dude from like gemstones and he's found it. What is going on here? So that movie came out. Yeah.

And the reason for that is relationships, right? They're everything. Gordon Green and he go all. all the way back to Gordon Green's first film. So, like, they're friends. Yeah. Okay. So what did you guys think?

Let's get your impressions of 2018, the first in the trilogy. I mean, I thought it just, the issue that I had with the first two had nothing to, had nothing to do with any one acting. I think the acting in these movies is wonderful. I think Jamie Lee Curtis walks on water. So I, like, I want to get that out of the way. And also, I'm not an expert on this. So I just, this, you know, this is my opinion, whatever.

I felt like there were some major tone issues where the first two, the 2018 and 2020, felt so self-serious. And the 2018 felt incredibly self-serious. Like there was like some world-changing cinema happening right now. And the writing didn't live up to that. And then 2020 was such a strange. movie because it felt like the writers or the director or someone had all of these friends who wanted to be in the movie. And so there were all of these just like strange tiny vignettes of scenes with like, you know, the couple having, you know, putting on a record and wanting to smoke

pot together and then they get killed. And then the couple who's just like old together and they're cute and old and then they get killed. And like none of those characters play into anything else in the movie. It felt like stunt casting with non-stunty actors. But again, it had like this self-seriousness where evil dies tonight. Everyone suddenly knows the phrase evil dies tonight, even though no one said it to each other. If I heard that one more time, I was like, I'm going to throw my. And then they all just like they just this bizarre scene of them murdering a different patient in the hospital in a really like just disgusting way. It all felt so serious and unrealistic. And I watched both of those twice and I was just like, why isn't this fun?

Like the original Halloween was fun because it was a horror movie and it was like discovering this character and discovering the relationships. And the first two new Halloween's just like lost that sense of playfulness to me in a way that just sort of bummed me out. and I feel like Halloween ends was significantly better. Like so much better, the best of the three, but still had such a self-serious quality to me that I just was like, oh, man, this, I don't know, man. I was bummed. Yeah, yeah.

I was really let down by 2018. In fact, I wasn't even going to see it. Like, I was like, I'm not going to watch these because I just want to keep it at Halloween and Halloween three. And those are my two movies, right? I'm a stickler for that kind of stuff. But I said, you know what? As a person who's a filmmaker, let me watch this.

You know what I mean? Let me see what this does. And it was so lacking. I mean, from the opening of like, we're podcasters going to interview Michael Myers. I was like, oh, God, kill me. I was like, the modernity of this is like, just kill me.

Don't do this. I mean, you as a podcaster, Ryan, it's like they seemed when, when, okay, here's the thing. When Hollywood people write, what they think is a podcaster. They've never done a podcast. They don't know any podcasters.

Like, I feel like they wrote those people and it was like, this is not what podcasters look or sound like. If it was written with judgment, you know, it was written with judgment. It was the Hollywood, it was the Hollywood dollar store version of podcasters.

And then like, it totally is. Like, yeah. Also, the audio quality would have been awful the way they were. Yeah, I know.

I'm like, this is so, this is all off. This is all wrong. And then the way, and so I did enjoy, I enjoyed Jamie Lee Curtis as the survivor. She reminded me. I think it was a very, like, it was very, uh, Sarah Connor in Terminator 2. Of course, that would be her. That would be her arc, right? Yeah.

However, she was too much. It was, I, I wish Gordon Green said, take it down a little bit. Take that, take the anger. take this down a little bit because I didn't believe it there was so much hatred between her and her and her and her granddaughter it was just all it all felt so heavy and so overblown and what I was missing was the tone of that first one it was a small movie you could tell this was written by committee where Halloween was written by a guy in a room with an imagination This was written by committee.

It was like put through the ringer of the studio system. It was just not what it didn't have what I felt a Halloween movie should have, which is the slow building atmosphere. Fair enough. Nick. A lot of characters are once. Yeah, a lot of characters. Two many.

No, no, no, not at all. Nick, uh, let's go from Halloween 1978 and then Halloween 2018 is, is literally the sequel to that movie. So you have a long period of time between these two movies. What do you think about that 2018 being the sequel to something that happened in 1978? And yeah, what did you think of the initial movie of the new Halloween trilogy? So I really like the 2018 film.

But again, I also, like, I'm approaching it from a very different perspective than, like, you guys are just because I watched it just as someone who likes four movies so I think that was slasher films so the reason why I like this I think writing that genre is really hard now I don't know how you guys feel about that but like writing a good

slasher film is difficult and what I liked about the 2018 movie comparative to so I like the I haven't seen Halloween 3 Dennis so I mean I failed you still failed you that's okay 83 season of the witch is my favorite

of all Halloween movies recently saw it for the first time. Don't worry, Nick. But I liked the original Halloween movie. I liked the second one too. They were like my first four movies I ever watched. So, anyway, my brain

is now all flustered. What I liked about it though, is I thought, to me, it captured some of the feeling that I have in that original Halloween movie. So what I loved about the first Halloween movie is I love the anticipation of getting to the action. That film, there's so much build in that first Halloween movie.

It is beautifully executed in terms of like building tension, which is why I think it still works. And for whatever reason, the 2018 Halloween did that for me in similar ways. And then the other reason I liked it, because I'm a sucker for this, is the acting is good. Bethany, which is what you said. The acting edit is really good. And the dialogue, I think is good. And so I kind of fall into that trap of like, if I like the dialogue between characters and the performances are really good, I can quickly buy into it.

My problem with this Halloween or any of the other ones, I think just making a good slasher film is hard. I think it's just hard to do that genre right now and do it well. And for whatever reason, 2018, worked for me. I thought it hit the notes I wanted in this type of film. The second one did not. The second one I hate. I also, one of my things with this film and the second one is,

I don't know thematic. Like, I know what it is now, but I don't understand thematically what's happening. And that's my biggest issue with all the films in this new trilogy is I don't know like what story are you telling?

Is it Jamie the Curtis? Is it Michael Myers? Is it the town? I don't know. They don't know. Exactly. They don't know. And we'll connect

there's no all over the place. Yeah. I do want to discuss this as a trilogy as a whole for sure. But I think you're right, Nick. I felt the same way about 2018. I really enjoyed it and I think it was because

you have kind of this Force Awakens high. You know, you're seeing these characters for the first time in a really long time and everyone has said it, you know, Star Wars Force Awakens, Disney's first attempt at, you know,

introducing us to their Star Wars universe. It was almost beat for beat the same as the original, a new hope. And a lot of people liked that. They liked that. They liked that They kept it to the formula. They stuck to it. They felt that nostalgic high again,

giving us some old characters mixed with some new. And then, you know, and then they just wild out from there. Man, they wild out. Holy shit. How do you not put Han Luke and Leah? How do you not put Ham Luke and Leah in the same goddamn movie,

but that's a whole other story? That's a whole of the story. That's something that you brought up, Ryan, liked that first movie. I felt like, Forrest Maken's a great way. I feel like, oh, it felt, it's funny because you guys are writers and I'm not. So I didn't get the writing room by committee, but to me it felt like, oh, I'm back in, they simplified the world, right? Because the Halloween movies all of a sudden, really like, it's his sister.

He got crazy. Other three, four, five, and six, which are, other than Paul Wright, because he's a national treasure, are just back shit crazy. Like, and so I like all this funny. and supernatural. It's real bad. It goes crazy. I like that. I was like, oh,

this is simpler, right? And it is simplified and I can buy into the world. And like, it was able for me to be, like you said, I'm like,

oh, I know this world. And I like that it's, it's simple, which I'll get to what, as this went crazy. But that first movie was just, it was a simple like,

here's this dude. He's back in the asylum. Like, he's going to go, he's going to go, go, go, go. I'm on board. That's the same.

This seems right. It's not anything weird. He's just a force of nature. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Let's, okay. Let's move to Halloween Kills quickly because I know that's not why people are watching.

But Halloween kills, I think, was just Gordon Green's carte blanche. Like, you're building a bridge. It's clear that, again, Halloween 2018 was very well received for the most part. It made a shit ton of money. And just like they are. original with John Carpenter, they're like, all right, we got to make a sequel. Money's there. We got to do it.

And this is the curse of studios. This is the problem. You create such a good, rich story in the original. And then it just goes nuts after that. And I think that's what we got with Halloween kills. The movie was made. They decided this is going to be a trilogy. We need to make it a trilogy because there's money to be had.

Got to be a trilogy. What's that, Nick? Because everything's got to be a trilogy now. Everything's got to be a trilogy. So Halloween kills kind of served as that bridge. Not a lot is going to happen character-wise. We're going to go crazy with the kills, hence the title. And in that respect, I think they did a great job.

Like, holy shit, was that a freaking like just-killed a lot of people? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The opening scenes, the kills with the firemen was amazing. I mean, as a cinematographer and a person who loves watching cinematography play out, those were outstanding. It is beautifully shot.

Like, kills is really well shot. Um, my issue with that one is all of it. It is just like, and here's the thing, Ryan, Ryan,

they actually, so McBride and, and company and David Gore Green, they actually did pitch this. As far as I know, this is what I know, they did pitch this as a trilogy. They were like,

we want to do a trilogy. We want to bring it back. We have Halloween, uh, Halloween, Halloween, kills and Halloween ends. Those are the titles. What I think

happens with David Gordon Green in which I respect, if you look at his filmography, he does stuff like Joe and then he does stuff like Halloween. He's all over the place. He's, I think he, and I like that. He's a journeyman. He just does whatever

he wants to do when he's in the mood. Does that work for a trilogy? No, you have to stay focused and they have to stay connected. That's how trilogies work. You know what I mean? mean. So I think he went off the fucking rails for kills. Kills feels like it was written by four people. Yeah. You know? And there's a lot of McBride in that goddamn movie. And I think that they were like, I think we gave him a little too much in the writing. There's a lot of like, yeah. There's a God, I feel I don't want to. I like, I like, I get to work with them one day. But you know, like this is my honest opinion. Because here's the other thing. And I'm going to give like one more caveat is it is, you know, Nick to your point, I think it's really difficult. to write a horror film, especially right now and especially then, like in, in terms of like 2018 through 2020, 2021, because there was so much societally going on and we don't know how much

they were getting notes saying make it more, make it more of a social commentary, make sure that, right, we don't know what kind of interference was happening with, the project, but going to Halloween ends and knowing we have a character that we end up with in Corey, it would have been such a gift to have Corey join us at the beginning. So that we have this guy, because when we meet Corey, I immediately was like, dream guy.

Like, I like a guy with dark hair glasses who's a little nerdy and a little wounded. What? Right? I like a brooding man. And I'm so wounded, baby. So wounded. So Corey shows up.

We immediately understand that the accident that happened to him and from him and with him happened because this child was a brat. The child was monstrous and an accident happened. And so we're immediately on his side because everyone thinks he's a monster, but we know the kid was a brat. He was a sympathetic character, which is what we need in a horror film. So if you can see the arc that happened with him happening in the first, movie we really like him. Maybe he's a peripheral character. In the second movie, he becomes more

integral. Maybe he's involved in the asylum situation where the other patient gets killed in one way or another. We see him interacting with that. And then we realize in number three that he is turned. That to me would be so fulfilling because what a great character that was. And I think the parts of Halloween ends that I liked were were his parts. And the things I didn't like were that it was all like a whiplash-inducing character arc that happened so quickly. And it's

such a lost opportunity with the number of characters in Halloween kills. We had like 77 different characters in Halloween kills. Oh my God, that was insane. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, it was Corey. I want Corey. And that's that right. There's no,

there's no, there's no, like, there's no, like, what story is it? Like, is it James, Michael Myers? Is it now Corey's story? Is it the story of Haddonfield? Like, I felt like, like, you watched that first movie, it is not Haddonfield's story. It's not. That is Michael Ayers versus Jamie Leeuress and her family. Like, the story, what I loved about Halloween 2018 is the story of women, right? Like these generational, these generational story of women, like a grandmother, a mother, and a daughter, and how. Right. affects this family. And so I'm like, oh, okay, I can dig that.

Right. That's good to me. That's good storytelling because you're adding, a layer of complexity to Michael Myers and a slasher film which great. That's what I want. That's a great point. That's a great point. Yeah. Give me my like, give me what I would like my storyteller thing.

I'm loving that. And then it gets to Halloween kills and like that's fucking gone. Like there's some of it. And I'm like, okay, is this story about the town? Who is this about? And then you have Corey in this next one where I'm like, oh, so now it's his story. And now we're back to like supernatural like Michael Meyer.

is not just, he's like, there's some supernatural elements. I would have loved, like you said, either give me Corey to begin with, right? And I'm following this character's journey or make it about Haddonfield from the beginning and how this trauma affects that town. Or keep it simple. Make it about the effects on, which I guess Halloween ends kind of does, the effects on this family, right? Like generational trauma on families. Because to me, trauma, especially coming out of the fact,

everything we've, like you talk about, like, everything's been going on, like, in the trash fire of trash fires. Like, how trauma affects people generationally is super interesting. And then you can tie in, like, the horror, that horror element. Because then you're writing, you're putting your characters in a specific genre. And, like, they lost that trauma element. I feel like, after the first element, I didn't know where it was going. And so for Halloween ends, I'm like, okay, I guess Corey stole the trauma of the town, but it's not about the women anymore. It's about him,

but still kind of about them. It's just all over the place. There's no focus. And I can tell my students we're talking about acting or storytelling, like, you've got to be specific. Right? When you're an actor, like, specificity. So like, if you're an actor, specificity on a character, what's my character want? What's my character need? If you're a writer and

director, specificity on that story, right? Like, what is the story trying to tell? And if it's a trilogy, like, the first Star Wars trilogy, like, okay, what are my acts and what are my beats? And who is this story about? I don't know who the story's about in terms of all three films. As singular films, I can figure it out.

But I guess that's what fails me, especially in that second film, where I'm like... Yeah, and you have to tie... The main thing in a trilogy is you have to tie a thread. They have to feel like a family. Even as much as like, you know, Return of the Jedi isn't that great. It still feels like it's part of the... Empire's the best, sorry. The first one, Empire.

Return of the Jedi is a kid's movie. You know what I mean? Like, oh, the kids' movie. It's great. In that trilogy. What's, what's, what's,

what's, what's kidding about teddy bears? Right. Teddy bears with little teddy. Kevin loves, Teddy bears. So, so,

so I think that what, what went wrong was, they were like, we got the titles, but we don't have the stories. You know, they're like, you know,

and, and, and, and I, and I, and I enjoy, and it feels, it really feels like it was writing on the fly.

And, and like, you can really tell that it was rushed. like and now that's what makes me sad because like you said bethany what a missed opportunity had we started with michael meyers in a fucking sewer and that's what that's where he disappeared to in 1978 he's the living underground he comes out on Halloween every Halloween someone disappears he feeds off of that it seeps the evil seeps through the town and it's all building up to Corey and his like relationship with corey and him infiltrating the family and michael myers

using him to get back to lorry strode and figure out where she is that could have happened. It would have been awesome if this was the first one. I want to flip a table. So I've done a lot of voiceover for live events. And the way that the thing that's really fun about it is that I sit with a headset and I get to see all of the different cameras from all the camera operators running around the auditorium or whatever. And you see the director choosing which camera operators shot they're going to use next. Right. And what invariably happens if it's like a live. concert is if that concert's being televised, you get all of these shots and you kind of see, like you're trying to figure out what you want. But then invariably, you'll find like there's one person in the audience who's awesome. And like at award shows, it's usually like Taylor Swift, right? Where she's like dancing. And all of a sudden, if you're watching at home, you're seeing tons of

shots of Taylor Swift dancing. And it's because the director realized that person is the person who's going to give me a good shot every time I go to that camera. and that's what Corey felt like. It felt like they were shooting a live movie and then they realized, oh, Corey's the one and we're going to put all in on Corey. And that was a super long story just to get to, I think that this,

yes, they were building this parachute as they fell down. And luckily they landed on something that I think makes it so that people will remember at least this movie well. But it is too fast, too much. So they fell in love immediately. As someone who I'm willing to almost forgive anything in a movie, I yes and a movie right away. I love it. I'm like, sure, I'll make sure that that makes sense to me. No problem. I don't see any plot holes usually. For me to feel like this was super whiplashy and that she fell in love with this guy way too fast. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. That was like that. That to me was just. Ryan, let us know if you want us to go through the plot at all. Like, you know. Well, yeah. Well, yeah. Well, yeah. Yes, we're going to, we'll go through the plot for sure. I do want to, and I agree with you, Bethany.

I was like, oh, like, talk about Romeo and Juliet. Like, this is insane. But, um, let's, um, let's rewind a bit. I do want to talk about the opening because for me, personally, this was the most effective part of the, holy shit. Not just the cold opening, but then the title sequence I want to talk about, too, which everyone is talking about. Let's talk about the cold opening first,

who introduces us to our new, apparently protagonist, antagonist. I don't know. I love this. The film opens on this young man who is going to babysit on Halloween. So right then, you're like, oh, man.

I thought he was dead. I know. I'm like, they're gender flipping. We got a male babysitter. He's about to get sliced and diced. We're going back to classics. great. No. Not good for him. Who wants to take it, this cold opening? Walk us through it and what you thought. Nick.

Nick. I was like, fuck. It was amazing. Oh, yeah. I was watching that same thing. I was like, okay. And again, I appreciate homages. So I was like, oh, great. We're going back to this very first, like the first Halloween movie and Jamie Lee Curtis is the baby's here. And now it's this guy and this really nice guy. He had all the hallmarks of Jamie Lee Curtis's character in that first film. and so you meet this kid,

talking to the parents. They're saying, you know, he's been scared because of the events of these previous movies and the effect, again, this effect on Haddonfield. And then there walks the movie, and he ends up being a little dick. I mean, just like the worst possible kid you could ever imagine.

And then I was like, oh, okay, well, that's funny. And that felt very Danny McBride to me. I was like, oh, okay, like that's funny. I get it. I enjoyed that. And then he locks Corey. He disappears. And he sees a door open.

So you're like, oh Michael Myers is there. He's going to kill the babysitter because Michael Myers only kills babysitters if you haven't seen Halloween kills. And then he locks Corey in an attic and Corey's trying to get out

and then you see this moment of panic from Corey but also rage. It's a really nice kind of little foreshadow to what might happen later on like when a nice person with rage and he kicks the door and sends his kid over the fucking rails

and down. And I sat there and just pure just like You watch a movie and you scream, you're like, oh, God! Because, like, I get as a parent watching stuff, when anything happens to a kid, you're just horrified. Like, you're just like, and I felt horrified for the parents, even though the kid was a dick. And I felt horrified for Corey. I just was, I was like, if this is what this movie's going to be, this thing's going to be fucking amazing. Because I'm already, like, in it to win it.

And then it, then it changed. And then, and then. And then. And then. Well, let's talk about that and then. So you have this extremely jolting and disturbing opening where this little kid dies. And then, you know, we, we are looking up at Corey from like five flights up, looking down at the kid. He just accidentally killed, apparently accidentally.

I think that could be open to some interpretation for some people out there. Not me personally. But let's talk about, okay. so that happens and then boom title sequence and I was Dennis take it my man as our season of the witch Holy shit dude okay yeah of the opening title series so so here's here I'm so so uh he was so excited I was so excited so uh

Mothman 46 in the chat said now it's now it's finished we can continue with the best of the series Halloween season of which totally great I am on your side uh Ryan just dropped the the link to my YouTube channel that's the movie I cover on my horror docu series is Halloween 3 Season of the Witch because it's such a great film. It opens up with the Halloween 3 font. And I was like, holy show. Okay, cool. And he's been paying homage to the, to Halloween 3 throughout the whole series.

The masks are in the film. He actually wanted to end this in the Silver Shamrock factory. I heard that. Yes, with the masks coming out. And then the last mask that comes out as a Michael Myers mask. I was like, dude, why didn't you fucking do that? Like, you took this big swing. Do that.

Give us what we want. Give the Halloween three people what we want. So I thought that was great. I did. I was like, whole, okay, great homage. Now, also, love to that opening. Cinematography right away. I was like, this feels like a Halloween movie.

They shifted the cinematography from that slick, like, TV-looking cinematography to actual real drab 70s feeling gray, gray. green. A lot of like, it was warm and green, you know, and it felt like, I was like, oh shit, we're watching a Halloween movie. Yeah. That kid is great too. The kid who plays Corey. Yeah. He's awesome. Amazing. He's awesome. I was like,

this is good acting. Yeah. Oh, he's wonderful. Very good. The acting is great. Proving that David Gordon Green can get a great performance from someone. So I believe in him as a director because I, and a lot of this felt like Joe. I don't

know if you've seen Joe the film with Nicholas Cage. This was when Nicholas Cage was in his Renaissance. He had just done Mandy. Then Joe came out. David Gore did a great movie called Joe. It's not spectacular. It's a good movie. But it's a great performance from Nicholas Cage.

And if you can get a great performance from Nicholas Cage, you can get a great performance from anyone, I say. And like, you have to rein him in, you know. But he, but I love. And I will never say a bad thing about me. Yeah. So going back to this, I thought he was great. I was like, I like this. And that opening was fucking chef's kiss.

And then you get the Halloween three. You know, the Holly three funds. I'm like, oh my God, all right. I'm in. I'm in. You want me over. Right. And I think, you know, Gordon Green has said like Halloween season of the witch is one of his favorites.

He did want to kind of pay homage to that in this, which he did. And I think on a deeper level, it kind of showed us, oh, we are not going to get a film like Michael Myers that we used to. You know, I think that was him kind of subliminally being like, get ready, guys. This is not, this is going to be a departure from what you think it's going to be. And I don't give a shit what you think about that. Yep. Here's my movie. Yeah.

And he basically remade those originally, those original, those like first three films. Like, if you look tonally, like the second one is in a hospital. The third one, Michael Myers is barely in it. I mean, in the third one, you know, a hot season of the which he's not even in it. There's just a trailer to the film. So I think he was subtly paying homage to those first three films as well, which is great as a nerds. We're like, that's awesome. Are the, are the normie's going to get it?

No. Like most people are going to be like, what the fuck is going on? Like someone just said in the chat, the first hour and 20 was so confusing. And I get that because it's like, what is going on? Like, is this a Halloween movie? This episode is brought to you by Redfin. You're listening to a podcast, which means you're probably. multitasking, maybe even scrolling home listings on Redfin, saving homes without expecting

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And, and, you know, I know a lot of complaints people have made is that the people in charge of these reboots have not necessarily done their homework. They haven't read the comic books or they haven't read the original projects or whatever. I will say that this team clearly knows Halloween. They clearly have an affection for it and they clearly know what they're doing. Like, when it comes to the references and the Easter eggs and, and, you know, kills mirroring original kills. Like, they know, and I have a ton of respect for that.

But references in Easter eggs does not a film, right? Good make. Is that what is that? Does not a good, not good a film. Not a good. Not a filmmaker good. Yes. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. But I do, I do want to like, but I do want to like, they, you know, I do want to give them points for clearly knowing what they're talking about and knowing what people, you know, missed and loved about the originals. I just think it wasn't. They're fans. You could tell their fans, but it was completely unfocused.

But back to Halloween ends, like, again, that opening, I was like, this is the best opening out of all three. For sure. Out of all three. You're going to kill a kid at the beginning? I mean. Yeah, wow. That shows you right away, like, nothing is off limits. Like, you kill a kid or a puppy.

Like, you're in for some disturbing shit or a teddy bear. Or a teddy bear. And there was like no question that kids. is dead like they went for it. And I love that he was like this garbage kid who was like awful. And you were like you were so like so so there's a couple of things that I as Nick's a father. I should like no. You can tell who the parents are in this conversation and who I know.

You know, the three of us are like oh that. Protect the cat. Save the cat kill the cat. But yeah. But the thing about horror films is, you know, my rule is this, protagonists care about. There's got to be one person you want to die in the film. Like, there's got to be one person that you want,

you cheer when they get killed by the person, but then you have to cheer for the person that is the protagonist that will eventually survive or beat this person. And so like that kid immediately was you were like, I don't give a shit. You're sort of cheering and going, oh, shit at the same time because he was such a piece of shit kid. Like it was so mean to Corey and like was and and Corey I actually felt for him totally I was like oh I like this kid yeah you know like I was like I like him he's such a different kid from Halloween Kills too which I think is really interesting Halloween kills you love that kid's like you're like this kid is awesome and this kid's like the polar opposite like their use of their use of a kid in that sense with the babysitter tie and I think was really interesting um because that kid I really liked and I'm like this kid and this stuff

them. Well, and it was smart. It was a really smart choice to make this kid be a jerk because, again, it puts Corey in this sort of angelic light of all of us worrying about him. And if it had been like a really sweet character, if it had been a sweet character, a sweet little kid that he killed, it would be a tough thing. But we all know that he as a person cannot say the kid was an asshole. Because that's not going to stand up in court. Exactly. You know, the town isn't going to be like, well, then okay. I mean, he was not guilty. Yeah. Um, you know something? Well. Sorry,

Ryan. Yeah. No, no, no, no. I was just going to say, we feel for his parents

more than we do. Oh my God. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, Nick. Go ahead.

sides of that. Yeah. One thing I think with this film that, like, speaking of the beginning of it, that really stuck in it, I think, hurt the film.

And again, overall, I did like it. And intro like that, I don't know how Dennis and Bethon what you guys But to me, if I have an intro like that, right?

That's how his movie started. I expect, like, a runaway train. Like, that it is going to fucking move. And this movie did not do that. It was like, we're going to start fast and fierce and we're going to slow way down. Yep. I didn't like... Like the original, in my opinion.

Yeah, it didn't set me up for the way that I thought it was going to, like, go. It's not the end of trilogy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Again, this was a great starting point. Yeah. But they put it at the end.

I told you guys that in chat. I was like, this movie would have been the second movie for me. And then the third movie was a continuation of like these events. That would have totally worked. Because you get the homage in 2018, which is like getting you back into this world and kind of like, palate cleansing it and like bringing you it.

And then you introduce, even if Corey came to the second movie. And then it's about, okay, it's not about Michael Myers anymore. Like that we are ending that story, but it's about his effect on the test. and these women and like this other character who is who you feel for and then you watch his slow evolution

into what Michael Myers is now because then Michael Myers is it's not the same person right like that person is gone but but the evil that is the town continues on through him and then like yes watch the de-evolution of that character and you can both then like that character and then hate that character And you could still have one with Jamie the Curse. And I would have been like, fuck yeah.

Great. What would have been awesome. What would have been awesome is you build to this, right? So the first Halloween movie, you could have had Michael Myers disappeared in 1978. No one knows where he went. But every year there's like some weird disappearance on Halloween night. And then you can, you, there's such an opportunity to build with like the POV of someone walking home, you know, from a party or something.

And he kills them violently. and then the next Halloween, the same thing happens. And then Jamie Lee is like, we go to Jamie Lee and she's like, it's him. I know it's him. And then, and then Corey could have been a minor character in the first one that grew. And you're like, whoa, shit. Oh, my God. It's, oh, it's, oh, it's core.

Oh, my God. Corey's the freaking. He's going to become like the main. Yeah, he's going to become the main dude. And then he gets wiped out at the end. And then there's a, and then there's like this big fight in the third one that could have been through Lori Strode. And then Corey and her granddaughter, it could have been great. Yeah.

But they fucked it up. So, but. but. But, If we want to go back to Halloween ends and how it progresses, I thought it really, you're right, Nick,

it hits the brakes too hard. Then suddenly we get this love story. First I want to get back into the reintroduction of Lori Strode. Cringy how they, cringy how it was like, I'm going to write my memoirs. And that's how we're going to get our exposition. I was like,

Jesus. I mean, Ryan, as a writer, where you just like, God, fucking damn it, you used the laptop computer writing thing.

And look, if you're going to have tropes in a movie, a horror movie is the one to do it in. But when you have such a strong, strong female character, like Lori Strode and an actress like Jamie Lee artist, and then you do this to her in the third movie, I'm writing a book.

I'm like, are you, why are you writing a book? Can I tell you why I didn't care? I have, I love exposition dumps and the more obvious they are, the better. I just get such, I'm so tickled by them. I love it when someone has to have a call with Vincent Dinoffrio from a university where he has to tell me the history of Bagul. I love it. Yep. I love it when someone has to be on a car ride with a government official who has to fill them in on

the history of the experiment. And he literally says, fill me in. Fill me in. And I'm like, I'm already. I love, I love, because how are you going to, I just love an exposition dump. You know, ever. Like, tell me. You know, you know, what's really, you know, what's really interesting, too, is I was so shocked to hear this out of John Carpenter's mouth. So John Carpenter in the first film, it's a lot of show and don't tell, you know, it's a lot. There's, there's barely any like, expo because there wasn't, there didn't need to be an exposition or whatever. Um, but he said, uh, he said, you know, the biggest notes are always show it. Then say what you showed, then show it again. He was like, that's, that's like rules in movie, in, in studio movies. Like, he got. to keep showing and telling and showing and tell and so like that's what I felt happened in that they were like we got to fill everyone in because it's been like how many years and we got to do it and I get it but I was just like oh cringe really I was like you're gonna you're gonna have her sitting at a fucking laptop talking about like this is my house sorry doogie

house or doogie houseer so but I will say this I loved where they brought her yes I loved Lori Strode in this movie. I was like, she's awesome. Okay. Hold on, Dennis. Because I got to hear you justify this because four years have passed since Halloween kills. Oh, it's uneven.

I know. Which people are like, wait, what that? I thought this trilogy was supposed to all be like the same night. And, um, and the writers have gone on the record saying no, that was never the case. I don't know if I believe them on that. I don't know who or what to believe. I don't believe any of this. I think they are doing a lot of.

course correction, but tell me why you like where Laurie Strode is, because for me, it made no sense. Her daughter was just murdered by the man who tried to murder her. Right. And then all of a sudden, I know it's four years later, but for us, all of a sudden, she's like, everything's cool. I'm writing a book. I'm putting some spider webs up, you know, on my new home. That cool, Ryan. Yeah, explain this to me, Dennis. Okay. What? What? So I, again, I am treating this. And this is, is very funny because I said, you know who's going to love this movie?

People will love Halloween season. The Halloween season. Every H3 fan that I know is like, I really loved Halloween ends because it diverted so much. Treating this as its own film, right? So here's how I see this. Imagine, imagine, we had Halloween 1978 and then Halloween ends was the first movie we got after that. That's what this felt like.

We got all the exposition of what happened in between. We didn't have to sit through the terrible, the first two terrible movies. So I was literally watching it like that. I was like, this was the palate cleanser that I needed. This really was the pallet cleanser that I needed. Why I liked her was because they sort of brought her back to, I am trying to get back to a normal life. I've done the survivor thing.

I've gone through this horrible shit. I just want to live like a fucking normal person. You know what I mean? Which I feel was good. I was like, yes, okay, I can get behind this. Plus, I loved her again. I didn't like her in the first two movies. I hated that I didn't like

Lori Strode in the first two movies. I was like I wanted to like the survivor Lori Strode with the guns and the shit. But I was like she was too much. And I also think that once they realized that not to keep going back to Corey, but I think once they landed on him, they needed to make her different.

Because if she was still gun nut traumatized Lori Strode, she and Corey would be super similar once he becomes bad. And they needed her to have gone to hell and now made it back out so that she can recognize the hell in him.

Yes. And can be like, oh, I see that. And I don't think that we would have gotten if she wasn't as soft as she, they didn't soften her as much, but she was still tough. So it's like, so we still had that final girl in her. There was still that thing where it's like,

you want to do it or should I when they pop the tire. Yeah. You know, I was like, that was cool. I was like, there's Lori Strode. We're getting these hints of her.

But so she's suppressing it to live the normal life and get on with her life. And, you know, the town obviously cannot move on from her. and what she did, which was kind of silly. I was like, why are you yelling at this woman? Yeah, all that stuff didn't work. But as her, her character, I was like, I like this version of Lori Strode.

I got behind her. I felt sympathetic. She was sweet. There was a sweetness to her, especially when she's like, I like your face, like in the shopping. Oh, my God. That was adorable. Oh, I loved it. I like that they softened her a bit more.

So that's my justification. I think she got a lot of therapy. Feel free to, feel free to, you know, punch at me. She got a lot therapy. Mick's got something to say. Yep, get Nick. We can see you chopping, man. No, no, no.

I actually agree. I totally agree with you, Dennis, but I think you still have to have Lori Strobe in the first movie for it to work. So what I love about the softer Laurie Strode, from a movie perspective,

it gave her a really clear arc, right? Like, you watch her, like, because you have, she's so damaged in the first film. The second film, is she even in it? I don't know. She knows what's happening.

She's in a hospital bed. Yeah, it's a hospital, great. I would have just, just give me the original Halloween too, and we'll just pretend that's the second one for this series, because that's a better movie in my time. But I like that you're like, okay, so we see what, again, because I love the trauma track for this movie.

Like, you see what this trauma has done to her and her family, right? And she takes that path. And that path does not work, right? It actually causes more negative results because of Halloween kills, because everyone dies. And now you see here going, well, like Bethany said, you see you're going like full circle into like, I'm going to, I'm going to lean hard into the like,

I'm going to live a normal life. I'm going to lean mega hard. Just like, I'm going to go 180 from the first film. And why I love that, right? Because that's the other way people deal with trauma, right? Is to be like, everything is fine. That's what I'm fine. That's what I'm talking about.

But then it gives her and then it gives her character, but I don't think it works unless you have 2018's Lori, unless you have like gun-toting Sarah Connor Lori because you want to see your lean in the other direction because what it does for me is they go, oh, but I know who she is now actually. The Lori Strode is like, okay and like is not, to me that's a front.

It is like, you know when you try fake it until you make it? Like that's what I'm like, this is Lori Strode faking it until she makes it and she kind of is. And then when she, she starts to flip again, you go, oh. There she is. There's a great point.

Yes. You're right. That's a great point. I like that. It gave her someplace to go. But I need, as a person watching it, I need that initial Lori Strode who has gone full on the other direction to watch, to be like, well, was that person still there? Oh, yeah. Oh, she's still there.

Oh. And then when she's there, she's like, really there. So that was like the one thing that I think. when you talk about these movies being connected or a good storytelling between these movies, Laurie Strode and their character arc for her, I really liked.

I just, and maybe that's why in Halloween kills, you don't get to see them interact together at all. Like, because that was a big complaint that, I'll have you say it's like, you have Lori Strode and Michael Myers and they never really like.

Well, and that's why I think this thing was so, like they're on a Zoom call. Yeah. This is why this thing was so unfocused because it's like, we're building up, we're building up.

up to the end. We're building up to the end. And then they just gave you this fart of an ending. You know, it was like, it was like if Halloween kills, she's barely in it. I know. And then, and then there's barely any interaction in the third one. People were like, what the fuck did you do? I was fine with Michael Myers not being in it a ton. I was, I was. Oh, I actually like that. He's, yeah. He's never in these movies that much. What's he going to do? Continue to slowly walk around. But, but like, the thing that I was like, bomb. about with you there he is was when they finally see each other they finally meet they finally have their fight the fight was so short and this is what the last 40 years have been building up to is is the two finally like who's going to win and the fight was really like I pushed you down he got back up I pushed him down I put a knife in his hand and now he's stuck and now we just watch him slowly bleed from the wrist and it just felt I liked that.

Oh, I turned to Dennis and I would have liked it if it had been more. I want like a battle royale. I want like the whole house is on fire. You bring up such a good point. Now, we have to, I think there's some hypocrisy in the writing here because in the first one, 2018, we're kind of told he's just a human. Yeah. You know, he's just a human. Maybe he's strong, but whatever.

He has this will and this evil to just keep killing, killing, killing. Halloween kills. Then we're getting inkling to that. Maybe he's a little bit more. He's superhuman and he cannot die. They literally say evil dies tonight. No, it doesn't. No.

By the end of that movie, evil does not die. Neither does Michael Myers. He has some sort of superhuman ability. And then immediately in this last movie, they go back to this idea that he's just an old man. And then he's not. So I'm like, Or evil. He's not just an old man.

It's unclear. It is unclear. No, I like that ambiguity. But I'm like, I don't think the writers really know what they want Michael Myers to be. No, because there was four of them. And then it was rewritten again. And tests. And I'm sure that, you know, so much.

I just wanted a final. I liked that they were both clearly older. I liked the Jamie Lee Curtis as older getting into a fight. I like that he is too. And I would have. love to have seen like a moment where they're both like catching their breath and then like getting back into it. But I wanted like this final. I wanted her to be running upstairs. I wanted her to be jumping and I wanted him to. The issue with that is they did that in the first movie. The house was on fire in

the first movie. They did the battle royale in the first movie. That's a great point. They blew it already. They blew it. They blew it. Because it was like, well, we got to keep the asses in the seats and like, you know, give them what they want. And then they did. And then the problem is when you try to go back to that you can't do that all over again. No, you're right. You're right. That's what I liked about it, though, because I remember when I was doing four fight choreography,

you had this really good fight stage fight choreography, who made it really a point. He's like, sometimes the best fights, and it's counterintuitive, are short. Yes. Like, you build up to, like, a huge thing, which, Dennis said you did already, and you had a huge thing in the second movie.

I mean, like, a mob thing in the second movie. And so this movie, it's like, yeah. So I liked this movie, it was like, this conversation, because she has two, because she kind of has the one with Corey, too. Like, I like that's like, this conversation is happening and like, it's building, like, you've been building towards this moment for so long that it's like, as opposed to it being

this long, round thing, it's a burst. It's a burst and it is done. And I did like how I kill him, because like, it sort of way back to, nope, he's just a man. He's a man and he can die like a man. And like, for me, there was something about that I was like, I actually really like the simplicity and the speed and the, uh, ferneticness of such a small room, like having that fight take place

in such a contained area, I really, I really, like, it worked for me on a very, real level. Because it felt, it felt this,

like, that's, that felt real, like, it felt strangely real to me. Like, you've got to make sure he's dead now. And that,

yeah, there was something also, um, almost sensual about it that I, because, Nice. Okay. Nice.

Let's go there. Wasn't expecting that. All right, Nick. We'll screen on you, buddy. Who? Hey. Tell us why this is central, please. There was something, so there's always this, like, again, when we talk about

slashing movies, and you have this idea of, like, you know, there's horror and sex, and they're so intertwined, and there's something about their relationship, right? Like, they're so intertwined, almost, like, almost in that way, like, a weird coupling. that they are. And so to have... It says Nick on sensuality in the screen where anyone's just listening. Who wrote that? I don't know. It's weird. Nick, I'm sorry, buddy. I had to.

Please. No, I get where you're going. Please continue. And so, because, like, even the death, like, the... The intimacy of how she kills him. Mm-hmm. Right? Because everything else has been, like, every kill, Halloween kills. It's all just... Which, again, I have her complaints. Like, it wasn't brutal enough. that they seemed cheesy, which for me, that is what horror movie killing is.

Like, it's all fucking cheesy. It's just like, how cool can you make that cheesy look like cutting someone's tongue off? So for this kill, right? Because you're ending it, it's so simple,

it's so slow, and it's so deliberate, and it's so intimate, and how she kills him, that I was just like, that is so, such a good choice. Maybe intimate.

That's why I say central, because it's so intimate. Like, because it wasn't like she does it fast. It's like she goes in and she's like, boom, boom, die. She is like, yeah, that's a good take. And like, you feel that like connection through that where it's like usually death and horror movies guys. It's all about like, to reference a movie, Ryan and I worked with someone like terrifier

too or even the first terrifier, which is brutal. People were like, yeah, it's fucking brutal. Like, yeah. I mean, I did a horror movie like that. Literally it's what's in the opening of this. but like I liked something that was pared down and quiet and intimate and like

oh like this is like this is their each other's driving forces they're holding hands at one point that's such a good point Nick I yeah and there's also there was also a very very like possibly erotic moment between

Corey and Michael Myers when he's holding the body body when he's holding the police officer, the douchebag, and Michael's driving the knife into him, it was like an orgasm, you know what Yeah, there was some grunts there.

Yeah, that was very sexual. It's always a theme in horror movies. And like, that's something new old movies have lacked a lot of. And so I like that it's, they're doing it, like, you said it's, slow, like, there's something connect, like, the idea of, like, sex and death and emotion

and where are these things, like, all combined? and pleasure and pain. I mean, that's what Helraiser was all about, right? Like, pleasure and pain and like that line between, I just watched the new Hellraiser, that line between the two of them.

And I thought that those moments were really well done. Those are things that made me like this movie a lot. I was like. It felt like a play, the last kind of, I don't know. And this is coming from a playwright. So, like,

Ryan, I'm curious to hear your, yeah, you're taking this as a writer, yeah. I, you know, I made fun of Nick versus saying sensuality. Like, I think there is an intimacy to those final moments that I really appreciated other,

rather than this big, epic, Freddie versus Jason, whole movie sort of feel. I did like, I, I think it was tacked on. Like, I honestly think this was like executive notes of get Michael Myers in there and the story. Yeah. But the first hour and 40 minutes, you could do whatever the hell you want. but I do really appreciate the intimacy of the one room, that the battle isn't that big. I love this idea that Bethany says of like these two older people.

Like I would have loved a moment of them both trying to catch their breath. And maybe even Lori being like, what's the matter? What's the matter? Come on. You need your fucking, you need your pain meds, buddy. You need your inhaler. I don't know. There might be some of my eye grew upstairs.

Yeah. No, that's a good point. To get his knife up. Yeah. That's a good point, though. I hadn't, I hadn't thought about that level of the intimacy aspect. Because you and I, when we watch it together with the moment where Corey is holding the body and Michael Myers is stabbing it, it reminded me of something from like Handmaid's Tale where like the woman sits behind the woman who's giving birth. And it's sort of like a, it was a really interesting.

way of presenting it. The way it was framed. He was holding, like, that was Michael gaining his power back. And it was a birth. Yeah. So that's how I saw that whole scene. It was, it was a,

it was giving birth to the evil again. Yeah. Through this person. And, and Corey is the avatar or the birth giver. Yeah. You know, so he was the one that was, you know. So I like this, I like, Nick, I like, I like talking about the end.

You guys' take on the end is really interesting. Yeah. And we'll circle back to that for sure, because I do enjoy the end. Let's circle back to Corey. Okay. So we haven't really touched on what happens after he accidentally kills this child. He becomes kind of this boogeyman for Haddonfield. They don't care if it was an accident.

He killed a kid. And the town completely demonizes this poor young man. His life is just ruined. He has no friends. he has a really fucked up home life as we come to learn. Yeah, with his mom. Oh, God. Too far.

Hey, parents, don't make out with your kids. At one point, she just like nearly tongue kisses him and it's really upsetting. It was real. I don't know. Why did they have to go? We didn't need it. I'm going to be super brave and like come down against parents' tongue kissing their children. I'm going to go ahead and make that statement.

I will say, I will say, that's normal thing. does a normal healthy thing to be like, no, good. I will say this. And what I really did appreciate about that was, is that we do get a lot of films that focus on women being abused by a father. Whereas I thought this was a very good take to see that it happens to boys as well. And these things affect both sexes equally,

you know, sometimes. And I thought it was interesting to see that relationship. I was actually, I was like, well, that's refreshing to see like, oh, this can happen to boys as well. They could be, they can have an abusive mother. And the father was more like, just, just let her go.

Like, you know, he was more like the father was, I don't know if that was his like birth father. I thought it was a step. But I don't know. Either a stepdad or an uncle. I love him. I love him. I love him. Oh, my God.

I had my favorite line. Well, he just goes, hey, I hope you find love. Oh, God, that was so nice. What the hell? Where did that go from? It was so sweet. So that's why I thought it was interesting to reverse those roles, whereas it's like we actually see the mother being the abuser, which is not normal, but it does happen. It's not normal in horror films, but it does happen. And I thought that was an interesting day to see. We sympathize with Corey a bit more then. You know, we're like, oh, okay. All right. So it was so the mother's overbearing and she's probably physically abusive. Inappropriate, at least. Yeah. At least as well psychologically. So I thought that was a, I thought that was a, I thought that was.

an interesting take, you know, and how male rage can build from that, you know, and again, using that that was good research done on the part of how serial killers are made. Usually it is at the hands of a sexually abusive mother. Sorry, I might be getting a little too graphic here, but, you know, that is, that happens with men who become serial killers. It's usually it does, you find, you find the pattern of there was probably a sexually abusive person. Usually it's the mother. The rage is then, you know, put out towards women. Okay.

So, or an answer. So that does happen. So I did enjoy that aspect of it. I was like, well, that's okay. I get it. He's not, you know. Dennis, I agree with you. I think it's a, it's a way to approach it.

I, my only thing is I didn't need that. Like, I didn't need Corey to have this kind of paint by number explanation. as to why he becomes a killer because for me, that the thing with his mom, like, isn't why he becomes a killer. The reason he becomes a killer is because the town makes him a monster. Yeah. Yep. Michael Myers feeds off of that and uses him as a monster. Yeah. And it's a tragic, it's a tragic devolution, evolution. I don't even know what you want to call it. Of Corey being such a good person and turning into this monster. I didn't need the whole mom thing. personally.

Yeah. And those characters, again, there's so many characters in these movies that those, the parents, dad,

I guess, did because dad owned the junkyard, but like he could have just been a guy. I didn't realize that was his father until further along.

I have a hard time recognizing faces. And so for me, I didn't recognize that the dad was also the junkyard owner until kind of we were fully in the movie.

But, But the mom, even when Lori Strode goes to visit Corey's mom to sort of get a feel for things, that scene is sort of doesn't do much. It doesn't really further the plot that much. It's just sort of like Lori Strode comes in. Mom is sort of weird. Laurie Strode leaves. Right.

It didn't. It just felt like they had like a quota on characters they had to include. And so like they put a mom in there. I agree with you that it's an interesting that we don't normally get to see that. it's just I don't I didn't think we needed it yeah yeah I mean again tacked on stuff definitely that is like four writers in a room going what's the hard do we do let's put a moment he's in a room on a typewriter it just felt like they were throwing darts and they were like all right that's a good idea let's put that one in yeah yeah but again to me at least I will say this is maybe a hot controversial take this one felt the most focused believe it or not out of out of the two three yes I hated the first one one. I thought it was too many people. I felt it was so unfocused and so overblown. It felt like it just felt like such a huge. Okay, here's what I

liked about this and why I felt this was focused and it felt more like a Halloween movie to me. The cinematography, we talked about that. It felt more, it felt more like a Haddonfield small town movie. Whereas the first one felt like big budget. Here's a hot. Here's a set piece. Here's a set piece. Here's a fire. Here's a parent. Here's a daughter. Here's a. another daughter. Here's a granddaughter. Here's this.

Here's that. Let's throw it all at the wall. And then boom. This one felt like this nice, small contained chamber piece that I was like, oh shit, this feels more like the first Halloween than the Halloween 2018. But I get it.

You're a big studio budget. This is Halloween. You got to add the big spectacle first. You know, it's hard to do something small and contained like this. So anyway, that's just my take on it. You know what I mean?

Like that's just my sort of, you know, it felt nice. felt small, you know. Well, and again, like you, they were never guaranteed that this trilogy would be a trilogy, you know, so like, yeah, why not throw everything into the first one and, of course. You see what happens. That makes sense. Yeah. It's really paid off. Yeah. For sure. Something to the Des you were talking about that, sorry, my, you know, I'm having stuff happening. It's fine. Stuff's happening. Sensual stuff. Oh, God. You want to get that Nick on sensuality back on the screen?

there it is And now for those of you're just listening, he's rubbing his shirt. Faith for radio. Something you brought was, I thought the Corey thing with the mom, which I liked, and maybe I'm reading way too much into this,

is it felt like a kind of a psycho homage too, which I love to bring it back to like the first slasher movie with like, you know, Bates and his mom. And that's what that felt to me. I was like, oh, that's a nice like it felt like a deep cut like I like that I like that's interesting go back to like what in all intents purposes is like a nice person who seems to be nice and very innocent and like this movement towards you know evil or becoming this like evil thing but like what

what are the extenuating circumstances that lead you into that so it's not just the trauma he experiences back to the steam of trauma but like it's also the trauma he experiences at home with this mother And so even when you have kindness around him, it can't, like, the idea of being different, right, comes into play and, like, what makes someone different. I thought that was a nice little, like, touch. It also was why I thought for me was a nice foreshadowing as to what was about to come with him, too. I was like, oh, he's definitely going to be, become something he's not, which, again, that's Norman Bates, right? Becomes the mother is the killer, just like with Corey, like, he becomes Michael Meyer. like he literally

becomes the figure what did they call him the figure? The shape. He literally becomes the shape and again, the idea of the shape is not necessarily Michael Myers. It's something bigger, right? It's Tannenfield, but.

And I will say this. I was relieved that they did not actually make Corey the next bad guy. I was, I have a really hard time when I watch movies. I tend to sort of just like shut my brain off and I try not to protect what's going to happen.

I try not to see too much in the future. I just try to stay in the moment. But for me, I was like, uh-oh, they're building up to have Corey be the next shape for like following movies. Oh, this is, this is going to how they're going to kill Michael Myers and keep it going anyway. And especially there was one moment where Corey was like on the ground and then he just sat up the exact same way Michael Myers does. And I was like, oh no. Oh, no. And then they didn't. And I was really relieved that they killed. him. Yes. And that that felt like it would have been a really easy way out.

And yet they didn't take it. And I will give them props for that. I liked that Corey was a bad guy, but he didn't become the next bad guy. It is literally Halloween net. Yes. And I was waiting for them to finagle their way out of that. Exactly. And I appreciate, I appreciated that too, that they didn't go that route.

That's what I respect about this finale is. Like they, there's like, there's no really debating. Like, yeah, this is it. This is it. Put it to bed. Yeah. Put the Lori Strode Michael Myers thing to bed. Yeah.

And I did really respect that because many movies would not. They would leave some sort of opening in there. Look, anything is possible. In two years, they could bring Michael Myers back again. I'm actually okay if they bring Michael Myers back. But then, dude, then like. But make it clean. Like at this point,

like, do something that is clean and, like, different. Because, like, you've tried, you've done the Lori Strode thing three times, yeah. Three times.

And even the one that's not Worries strode is still Lori Strode adjacent. And I get it. Because Jamie Lee Curtis is the best final girl that there is. I mean, yeah, like, like her.

It's hard to top her. But I will say this. I hope, I hope that Rowan Campbell, who played Corey, has a long career because he is a great actor. He's so good. He's fantastic. He has this Michael Rooker from Henry

Portrait of a Serial Killer look. There were points where I was like, Bethany, he looks exactly like Michael Rooker from Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer. I was like, maybe that was why they cast him too. He had that look. He's fair and good. I just hope this doesn't, no, it's okay. I hope this doesn't hurt his

career because I would love to work with him. He seems like a really, he really, he really cares. You could tell he really cared about this character. Let's touch on that with this character. I think it was either John Carpenter or the director who told Rowan off the bat, he said, you are going to be universally hated after this movie. Like this was like the day he got cast and before they started filming. Yep. Before he'd even read the script, they're like, you are going to be very hated by a portion of the fans of the

franchise just saying you know. To be like, you know what? Like this is what we're doing like to strap in buddy. And he he he strapped in. Yeah. He gave a hell of a performance. Yeah. He's fantastic. Really good. I thought he was he was fantastic.

Again, Gordon Green can get great performances from his actors. I don't know his style you know, but he's he did it with this one. So such a good performance and I think that he actually for me was the North star of this whole thing was the

saving great. I will say though, but Jamie Lee too. My favorite performance out of the whole thing. The whole trilogy, this was my favorite version of her. Even Hollywood Hills has good performances. Like the actors act of shit out of that movie. Yeah, for sure. Brainwreck.

What about while we're on performances and characters Allison? For me, they kind of just gave up on her character. in my opinion. She was just kind of like a means to an end to get Corey to where he needed to be. It sucks because I really think they could have done a lot with her as like kind of the next Lori Strode. And they just, they made her as cardboard cut out as you could in this third one.

And I get it. They were focusing on Corey. They were focusing on wrapping up the story of Lori strode. And you can tell. Like those two are the meat of this entire But that's bad story No, because you're internet Again, you make you take this pinnacle character from this.

It's, uh, what's the character, John Boydegas character in the Star Wars movies? Like, oh, they fuck that up. Jesus. Yeah, right. So you introduced this like person is supposed to be a pinnacle character, a pinnacle character. A pinnacle character. And in the first two movies is, then you're just like, oh, he's comic relief. What the fuck?

I mean, part of me wonders if, if it's like, Allison's character. didn't test well, you know, like, because it really did feel like they were setting her up to be the final girl. Yeah. And then, yeah. Right, but right. But, right. But I wonder if like after, after Halloween kills, just audiences weren't liking her or she wasn't moving the needle in some way. And so they decided to try something else. It screams to me of reshoots and committees and, you know, it just because it's so inconsistent and because this franchise coming back. in 2018

was such a huge deal that there's no way they were going to not test the hell out of it and get as many fingers in it as possible. And so I really have a feeling that her character

was supposed to be more than she ended up being. And it's a shame because Andy Matichick is wonderful. She's great. I think that if you give her good material, she will fucking crush it. And I think that

they just, she got to, done dirty in this movie. Like, uh, the weird romance, how fast it happened. I mean,

that was my biggest thing. I was like, what the hell? Like, she just suddenly falls in love with this guy, walks in and like, why? Like,

was there something that I missed? Does he have supernatural powers to like, make a woman just fall in love with him? Dennis, he's just a cutie. Yeah. She's Bethany. He's wounded,

guys. Wounded. Oh, even the way they, even the way they cut that scene together. I know. I was like, what is this? I was like, what kind of CW garbage is this?

It felt, what happened? There felt like there were some key moments that were edited out to the point where there was one scene after he dances and then falls on the dance floor at that party and then he runs out because he sees him off and he runs out. Oh, that was so uneven. There's this scene outside where she, they're looking at each other and talking and all of a sudden her hands are out in like a way that looks really meaningful and he like walks away from her hands.

And it felt like there was something she had said about like, take my hands and they edited it out. Yeah. There were several moments in the movie where I felt like I had missed something really important that got chopped. Yeah. And her escalation of like hating Lori. It was really weird. I get that like maybe she was being possessed by evil, you know, but I feel like wasted opportunity to work with an amazing actress, you know.

But yeah, that was that was that whole love story. story was so weird, man. Gordon Green said, Gordon, I'm sorry, Ryan. I just want to say one quick thing. Gordon Green did say he wanted to make his 50s motorcycle falling in love movie. Oh, my favorite child of the movie. It's my favorite shot of the movie. The movie with them on the motorcycle.

When Michael Myers is holding him on the motorcycle. Yeah. I don't know why. That moment I was like that, because you talk about the grainy texture and like, I, I really don't really do. I just love that shot. I was like, that's a cool. he he wanted to make

yep he wanted to make an American love story that felt like the 50s and and look that's your vision man as a director I'm like I get it when you get obsessed with a vision like you have to see it through but again it just it sort of fell flat

you know it just sort of fell flat he tried many things he tried a lot give him credit yeah it was just too late in the trilogy and I was too late Yeah. But again, like, if you can't take those risks, like, what the hell's the point? Yeah, I think this was a good example of this guy tried everything he could to get his version and vision out there. But at the end of the day, it's going to come down to executive decisions. It's going to come down to test screenings. And ultimately, what's going to appeal to the broader audience. And I do have, I do want to bring up later, um, later, guys. God, we're almost on an hour and 30 minutes, guys. I promise we won't go that much longer.

It's Saturday, man. I'm full of caffeine. Saturday. Oh, Saturday. But what I was going to say is, I don't know what I was going to say. I just lost my community. Well, I will say this. As a person.

Sensual. Hold on. I will. Go ahead, Ryan. Sorry. Oh, no, no, no. That he really tried. He tried to.

Oh, yeah. He did. He did. I respect any filmmaker, period. When you have a vision and this was a big swing. And again, I like David Gordon Green. I actually, I really like Joe. I hope that this does get re-evaluated later on, like Halloween three season of the witch did.

And I think people will see that this was the better one of all of them. For sure. And it was a better film. If you're looking at like 20 years. Yeah. Yeah. It was a better film, you know, uh, it was totally a mess at some points. However, here's what I think.

The greatest troll of all time would have been, you give people the trailer, right? With tonight's the final night, right? You open up the movie with that. It's someone watching it on a TV. And that was a trailer to, to, to, it, within this, within the story, and you remake Holiday 3 season of the witch. That would have been the greatest fucking troll of all time.

You want to do it. You do it. You do it right, David Gordon Green. You remake our movie. You remake my movie. I would have loved that though I would how great would have been people going and what what the fuck is this?

We were talking we were talking about that that idea and it was like heaven forbid let's say you are like very ill you know you have like a year like you know you have about a year just make that movie then do it do it

what are you going to do? Man I love that such a good point I think it's interesting about where like these types of genre films I would love like your guys's perspective on it as well as like I'm reading in the chat and like other stuff, you know, because again, this movie is super polarizing. And the reason why I liked it so, one of the reason I liked it so much. And when I think you're right, I think in like 20 years, people will go back and you're like, no, man, that was, that was a good one is because it's so different, right? It's so, it's so different than what I expected it was going to be than what I, you know, it still has the thing like people still die. But it was different.

It was just a total different movie, which like the Halloween three, the, you know, the original one. what I think is harder with doing a horror movie and I get this a lot from following I said earlier like Ryan I used to work with an actor who's in Terror Fire too who plays Art the Clown so I follow it really closely just to be like this is awesome I'm going to go um which is very happy for him

um niceest guy ever by the yeah yeah he seems like such a sweet dude a testament to his performance yeah and it's beautiful work in like movement after movement blah blah blah I could talk that all day um but so when you watch a horn movie is so hard I think to fulfill fans of these type of movies.

Because, like, you're, you've got people who just want it to be, like, spectacle in terms of the kills. Yeah. Right. That's, you're like, I have to fulfill that fan. And so to do that, right, you have to, like, go over the top. And it has to be a little cheesy. Like, there's those fans. You're the fans who, like, want, like, a good movie.

We're like, I want to watch a horror movie that's, like, a good film that has good acting, good character development. like good storytelling, good themes. You have those fans. And then you have fans who, like, might come into it totally, like, just to watch a movie. I'm just going to come into this blind and see what it is. It's how my wife watched the first Halloween movie and liked it. Because she came in just being like, well, I've heard good things.

I don't like horror movies, but let's watch it. And she liked it. And so I think that's what I like about this film is he basically went, okay, I'm going to do something completely different because I can't win. I'm in a, like, he did Halloween kills, which is, which is different a lot of ways. I couldn't win. 2018, I tried to do kind of an homage film. Couldn't win there.

So you know what? Fuck it. I'm going to do what the studio told me I have to do. I'm making my a movie because I can't win anyway, which is why, like, when I read these reviews, but it wasn't brutal enough. I'm like, you're not going to get a. Neither was the first one. You film that's that brutal.

People are forgetting, people are forgetting the subtlety of the first one. everyone's remembering slash look slasher films like you said nick and that nick your great point you're never going to be able to win we're we're working on this first feature and i'm like people are going to love it or people are going to hate it it it builds up to something and if people like that pay off great but they're going to people that we're going to be people to say it's not enough it's not brutal enough fine i'm not i'm not a slasher film director i'm more of an atmosphere guy i like i like to stuff to build and yeah i like but but there's a place for terrify too and there's a place for hereditary in this world,

especially in this genre. We should have both. Absolutely. And if you get a film that does both and balances out both, great. But you're never going to please everybody. So I think you're right. I think Gordon Green was just like, I'm just going to do whatever the hell I want with this last one.

And I listen to the film threat podcast. It's great. I suggest everyone goes and listens to it. It's wonderful. And they were saying that there was a rumor that, you know, he had a last minute change of, of mind and was like, we're rewriting everything for this last one.

So I don't know if that's true or not, but that it makes sense. You know, it makes sense. And, and yeah, I think that's like at some point, you just have to accept your fate as to what you committed to.

And yeah. I would also really hope to see a director's cut at some point. Yeah, me too. Yeah. Because I wonder, I wonder what he was forced to take out, either for time or for studio notes.

The three hour cut. Yeah. I would be really interesting. I wonder if Michael Myers wasn't even in this movie. Yeah, right? I would love to see the Snyder cut of this movie.

Yes. What if, like, again, the ultimate trolling. What if Michael Myers wasn't in this at all? Yeah. It was just the story. Ryan,

that makes sense. It would have been a better movie. Ryan. Yeah. I think you, I think you hit it. I think that, I think Michael Myers was re-shot in.

Honestly, because if you think about it, he really did, want to do pay homage to every single one that he was you know the the original trilogy and it would make sense that he would completely remove Michael Myers from the last one

because that's what they did in Halloween three season of the witch. Yeah, man. That's a good theory, man. That's a good that's you. That's not me. That was you. I wonder if like that, what if that's the thing like that Corey just becomes like that's the dark, right? The Corey becomes the shape and then it's not about

Michael Myers at fucking all. It's about again, and that that tracks the theme of Haddonfield, right? If your theme of this is trauma and Haddonfield, the town, the town is the thing that is evil. Yeah. And then the trauma that this family experiences, which tracks Lori's journey to who she is now, tracks the daughter's journey, tracks Corey's journey, trauma's effect on Corey and his relationships. And so you have him just become the shape, and there is no Michael Myers.

Michael Myers, he leads, like he is gone. He kills that daughter and he's gone. And so, yeah, I bet you're right. But also the studio was like, no, Michael. No, you got to. Go reach you and everything. What does he do? He says, okay, I'll put Michael Myers in.

And then boom, kills him. There's no, there's no, like, chance that he's coming back. Fuck you, executives. Yeah. Like, good luck making another Michael Myers movie. Because the shot of him, if you've not seen this movie, I'm about to spoil it. The very end. There's no clearer way to say this man is physically dead because they've tried chopping his set off.

He came back. Like, they, they just smooosh him in a, in a car grinder. Is that what that machine is called? And then, okay, so, so Beth and I had the hugest, biggest problem with that ending. So, so, so she's doing the voiceover and in an unceremonious way. And the whole town's following her. I said, wait a, I was like, wait a minute. Did they get a fucking citizen app?

Evil dies tonight. Like, like, what? Like a notification. to join Lori Strode? Like, I was like, what is this? And also, did anyone else, did anyone else think Lori was going in after him

into the grinder? I was like, is she gonna... Is someone gonna push her in? It's like, Corey gonna, like, jump in after him to ensure. I was like, we're losing two tonight. I bet. Bethany, I bet they shot that too.

I bet they shot it too. Like she literally like hops in with it. Yeah. It would make sense. Because that's love. They're so, sexuality. There's sexuality.

Because the sensuality is going to love. Nick on sensuality. You know, I have to say this too. Ryan, this is how this podcast, Halloween sensuality. Ryan, you highlighted Randall's comment, which was great, which was there are so many shitty sequels in this franchise that it was kind of refreshing to see something different. I agree. That's a good point. If you put this up against everything else, that's why I say, I really think it deserves a reexamination.

I also root for the underdog. If people hate something, I'm usually like, I like it. Then how do you not like Halloween kills? That's the ultimate underdog in this. Oh, no, fuck that movie. No, no, that's a bad movie. Fuck that movie. There's no sensuality for me there.

Vincent Dinoffrio isn't in it. And the reason why I root for the underdog and Terrifier, not to bring it, not to bring it too off course, but Terrifier is a great example of that. Terrifier, one, rotten. Everyone hated it. Well, critics, critics hated it.

Critics hated it. I think what he did was great. It was a callback to like, we have, suddenly we have like, another iconic slasher hero. And I'm not a slasher guy. But Damien, great guy, Staten Island guy, love him to death. I don't know him, but I just love hearing his voice because I'm like, those are my friends.

Because I'm from Staten Island. So anyway, he took the critiques and he made something better with Terror FIRE too. Now it's like 90% fresh. You know what I mean? So it's like, so you from an underdog comes good things. You know what I mean? And like if you, that's why I always root for the underdog. I always say like, and I feel like this movie is just like Halloween 3 in the sense that it is Halloween 3 season of the witch.

It is the underdog. And I think it deserves to be reexamined when people have calmed down a little bit. This, this literally was the movie. They did to this movie what they did to Michael Myers and Halloween kills. The entire town that wanted Michael Myers went and burned this movie to the ground. And I don't think it deserves that. I really don't. No.

I, yeah. Yeah. I really think it's the underdog and it will rise up at some point. And people will go, yeah, it was a bad of a movie. Listen, it has issues. As a film, like we've talked about, it has issues. But again, I challenge anyone in this conversation, especially slasher film. I'm going back to a very specific horn movie genre.

Find me a slash film besides maybe the first Halloween movie and maybe the first, like, the first Halloween or the first Friday 13th of the first nightmare novel series, like the big, the big ones, right? Like the holy grail of this genre. that does not have problems. Like, I, yeah,

totally do. And it's, it's part of the genre. It's part of, it's part of what you're signing up to watch and be a part of. Like, you're going to sacrifice somewhere. So like,

it's weird. People don't want remakes, right? We don't want remakes. We want originality. Then you do that and you're like, same name with Return to Jedi, right?

You don't want, you want, I don't want original. I don't want remakes. I want original. So a director's like, okay, here's an original.

I hate it. And everyone hates it. Exactly. Now, to put it. an asterisk on that, Nick. I urge everyone who's like there wasn't enough Michael Myers. It wasn't enough

killing or whatever. Go back and watch the first one. It is all atmosphere. It's all the fear of what might happen. And then there's some big kills in it. But they're not huge. They're not super big. There's like, you know, they're not, there's not that much as people remember. It was a slow burn.

It was more, it was one of the slowest birth. Now, funny thing is, Friday the 13th, the people who produced that were like, we need our Halloween, but with a bunch kills and horny teens. There's more kills in Friday the 13th, the first one, than there is in Halloween. But it's so great because there's mystery, because you still don't know.

Exactly. That movie's so great. And Nightbird Elm Street introduces the idea of like, what if your killer is a character, not just the, right? Of course. Yeah. But you're right.

That's why Halloween, the very first Halloween is so fucking good. Oh, it's so good. I remember watch, I watch it now, and I'm just, it's still, and I know, I know the beats, right? I know. And it's because you were sitting there the whole time, just going, it's so slow. That movie is

so slow. It plays on fear, right? This innate fear that we have as people, right, that you are being watched or followed or hunted. Like, Jamie Lee Curtis is being fucking hunted in that movie. And it draws on this primal, like,

moment. And that's one of the 2018 movie does really well in the bathroom stall part of it, like the very well that's a good scene. That's a good scene. Yeah. But so Halloween, the original Halloween is that scene, but for an hour, for an hour.

And then like 30 minutes of the actual, like, the cheetah chasing the gazelle. Yeah. It's all. Yeah. And you couldn't do what Halloween 1978 did because people don't have the attention span for that anymore.

They don't have the patience. Like, I, I enjoy movies that want you to be patient, but that doesn't put asses in seats. You know what I mean? So you have to kind of find the balance, you know?

Which I think is what he tried to do with this, right? I think so. Yeah. I just think I think the break was too hard. Like it started off in a thing and like break, it's a break too hard. And then you have to do all this character development too quickly,

which again, had this been the second movie? Had I gotten my Omant? Had I got my Force Awakens movie in 2018? Because I want that. I want the chicken noodle soup. I want that chicken noodle soup. I want that little like,

I know what I'm getting. This feels right. I'm into this. And then the second movie, you're like, and now for something. Sorry. Nick wants his force awakened.

We need a song for, Nick on Sensuality Welcome to Nick on sensuality Right? And then done this and I'm like, okay, I got that. And now for something completely different, this is what this trilogy is going to be, I would have been like in a Twitter because I got my little, I got my little like,

a little shimmy, got my little like what I needed. And then and then I get something. Your Michael Meyer shimmy? When he powers up after that murder. Yeah. Like when I saw it for someone like, I want me a little Michael Myers. I want me in a little Jamie Lee curse.

I want that old dude walk around that creepy ass mask again. I need that. And then give me something totally new. Speaking of which, we should mention Nick Castle was in this movie. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yeah. That was awesome. That was awesome. He got his line. I mean, that was like homage on amage. You got his see something you like.

Yeah. And he got. Okay. Let's, let's, okay, so we've run through the plot, the characters, um, amages.

Are there any where, missing that you guys picked up or Easter eggs that we haven't talked about. We'll start to wrap things up here because I got a few final questions. Sure. But yeah, in terms of Easter eggs or anything people should look out for. I think the greatest homage is the movie itself taking Michael Myers out of the film and really making it like the feeling that people had when you watched Halloween 3 season of the witch. For those who wanted more Michael Myers, they didn't get that.

I think that was his actual actually, I think that was his greatest homage. was making it almost to the tea like that feeling of he knew he was going to do his Halloween three season of the witch and he fucking did it and man, what a swing. That's my person's take. Question for you. How was that movie received when it came out?

Like what was the following three? Yeah. Terrible. Well, watch my documentary on it. YouTube.com slash decalo. No, no, no, it was, it was, it was panned. The franchise was dead. The franchise, they were like,

and this was, John Carpenter and Deborah Hill saying, we are going to do something different. We're going to take this in an anthology direction. That would have been awesome. Imagine every Halloween, we got a different Halloween movie. I would love that. Oh, my God.

Halloween 2 ruined that. Yeah, it was really Halloween. Halloween 3 was the thing that ruined it because they said, Michael Myers burned in that hospital. We have to do, we want to do something new. And this was people coming up with something actually original. You know, so, but yeah. long story short, it tanked, tanked.

Yeah. And then years later, now it's loved. In the years of Netflix, like, it's streaming existed. This would have been like a streaming horror movie series where like the first movie is the first movie is Halloween. Even if you were done the second one, like, people would have eaten that shit up and been like, oh, no, man. Dude. It's something completely different. My personal story with Halloween three season of The Witch was I, so I didn't grow up, like I, I grew up in a time where whatever was on TV is what you watched, right?

Yeah. I'm older. I think we're the same age, friend. We're all around the same age. I think we're all around the same age. So I saw Halloween three seasons of which first, out of all the Halloween movies, I never knew that Michael Myers existed.

You didn't even know Michael Myers was a thing. So I was like, so then my friends were like, wait, you've never seen the first Halloween? I'm like, yeah, no, I've never. So they put it in and I'm like, who's this guy? What does this have to do with the masks? What's going on? Like, where's the continuation?

And then they explained to me, no, that movie screwed everything up. And I was like, but I liked it. That movie made everything bright. Oh, it was so good. I wish they had gone on with that anthology. I'm sorry. So I've diverted too much. No, it's okay.

No, I diverted. One of the, um, one of the Easter eggs I love to was, so in the original in 1970s version, they showed, uh, the movie they were watching was the thing. Yeah.

Yes. This one, it was John Carpenter's. Yes. So that was a great, great. That was awesome. That was wonderful.

That was awesome. Yeah. That's Bethany's favorite. I love the thing. It's a perfect horror film. No, correct me if I'm wrong. That one was also universally panned.

And that one basically almost ended John Carpenter's career. Yep. Yep. And now it's beloved. Wait. I can't wait to do the deep dive on that. I have so much to say and I've learned so much about his journey and his process of

making that film. It is such, it's such a hero's journey of that movie. You know, it's wonderful. And I like covering movies like that that were originally like seen as like these are terror. Like what did you do? But then you start to put it into context of the time and the other films that were out.

Look, Blade Runner came out the same day. They were both panned by critics. And now. Crazy to me. I know. Wow. I know. And now there's considered classics.

And I think that's what time does. And I think you guys are right. This movie, I think in 10 years we'll look back. Because who knows where film will be in 10 years or what will be kind of. the mainstream perception of what a good film is. I think this film will become one of those ones that people will look back on and be like, I want something with substance.

I'm going to go watch that Halloween ends because I remember I didn't like it, but then I did, but then I didn't, but then I did. I think the trilogy will be looked back. I think you will have people with this movie, just like the ones we have. We have like Halloween 1 and 2, right? And then you go to H2O, which thing is that, that trilogy.

And you have people who watch that who are like, no, I love the first two hundred. Halloween movies. And Halloween issues, okay. But like, I'm cool with that. So right? You have people I know that are like hardcore. I don't know how hardcore to four, five, six. Like they, even six. They're like, no, I love four or five six. I think people with this shows. You're like, no, no, no, no. And then you have Dennis. He's like Halloween free. Motherfuckers. Well, and I think, I think I'm going to, I'm going to withhold. I did not like it. I'm going to withhold judgment until I see the actual full. I just want a director's cut. I want to know what the intention was. Like if this was, like if this was, I'm going to, I'm going to withhold. I. I'm going to withhold. I was. Like, like, if this was. I'm was the true vision of what the movie was supposed to be or if there was so much interference being done that it became something that, you know, that the green didn't anticipate or didn't intend or didn't want. I think I, I just feel like it's so erratic that even in the absence of like all of the other movies or even with some time passing, I feel like the erratic nature of that, of that relationship between Alice and Corey that got just like so blown up so quickly. I feel like that

still is going to feel too fast. And I really want to know what the original vision for that was. Because it's just I want to like this movie because Jamie Lee Curtis is such an icon and I love this character. And I love that she has been afforded the opportunity to to originate a character and see her out. Like that is such a long, so, yeah, I know, right? So many times. That is such a gift, I think, to a performer to really be given the opportunity to develop a character over 40 years. Like, what an amazing opportunity. So I really want to love it. And I just need, I hope that we get a chance to see like the full vision of it, you know, in a director's cut. I think. The Jamie Lee Curtis cut. she signs off on too.

Like, I feel like when you're getting her to come back, because she doesn't have to do these movies. Well, at a point she did. Like, she was contractually obligated back in the day. I think even H2O was a situation where she had to do it. Sure. And I could be wrong on that. And she may have been, probably.

I wonder if she was contractually obligated for this trilogy. Like, because it would be difficult to sign on for, I mean, I have no idea. I'm guessing, because it would be really difficult to have a trilogy with this full slate of like, we're going to end it with Halloween ends and not have her in it. So I wonder if it was like, well, if the first one does well,

if you end up doing, you have to then contractually come back. But then she has to say, I don't know that, though, to be like, okay, I know, I'm coming back to do this character for at least this one. Like, I like what your plans are for 2018. I'm coming back into this. Yeah. It made a shit ton of money. I will...

God damn it. I will say this. She as a human being is one of the most wonderful people. She stood by David Gordon Green so much throughout all this. Never turned on him. You see a lot of people turning on directors.

You see a lot of people saying, well, you know, when the bad reviews come in. Yeah. She has stuck by him and said, this man has a vision. I believe in it. And I'm going to stick with it to the very end. that's so classy and like God bless that woman,

you know, for all that she's done. She's literally, isn't she a duchess? And all of us are saying, David Gordon Green's a hack. I mean, so many people were like,

Gordon Green's a hack or whatever. She's like, I will stand by this man. And I fully respect that. And whatever their relationship was, like as a director, that's a dream. You want people to stand by you,

even if it's failing. Well, I don't know. He's not a hack. He can't be. Because this is... He's not. He's not a hat.

Whether you like Halloween kills or not, like his other films, like, the... The filmmaking, like, the actual, like, cinematography filmmaking is beautiful. And all of them. Whether you like to feel like I like watching, they are enjoyable to watch, but the acting. So my thing is that means that dude, whatever he's doing, right, every person he cast in these movies gives a good... Even if it's over the top and goofy, I'm like, no, it's good. committed. It's specific. And like, trust me, that's an actor's job.

And I get that. But that also means because film is an editing medium, too. That means, like, those actors were in it to win it for him. And they did, they did their shit. Because there is no, like, phoned in, shitty performance, even from the kids. And kid actors are hard. And so, to me, I'm like, you're a big filmmaker. You know what you're doing.

Any issues I have with any of these last three movies are in the writing. I think that the script. is tough and I think that the story is rushed. I think that the acting is on point. I think that there are moments that are cringy for me with some of the child actors' dialogues in earlier in the earlier films. Like some of the teen dialogue is pretty tough. But again,

the kids are selling it. It's the writing that I think is, again, by committee or to just a little bit wrong tone. I mean, like, you know, everyone's like, fuck, he's doing the exorcist.

I don't think the exorcist needs to be rebooted at all. all. Was he doing The Exorcist? That's his next project. Really? So I'm hoping that they have a good, right. I mean, like, look, writing right now, I personally think this is my personal opinion. I think writing is in the toilet right now with most films, most bigger films that are coming

out. The writing is just abysmal. You know, so I'm hoping that we're just going to see a turn somewhere with where we're, where there's actually well-written dialogue because we really are lacking that, especially in the horror. this is why people gravitate towards A-24 because they're written well. You know, the characters are written well.

It's good writing. You know, and then, well, look, then you have a terrifier too, which is like pure fun. And but, but they nail, like, that's nails because it's specific. They know what they're doing. It's specific. Exactly. So, right to what the thing is, right?

You know, like, right. I don't, look, I'm not going to go see the new exorcist, but I don't know, Ryan may change my mind on that one, too. I always, come back. Anytime you're doing this, like you got to be specific. Again, sorry, this is the teacher in me because I teach theater. Like, what are you doing, right? What are you doing?

Yeah. What are you doing? Like, I have students who are really good writers and they're really good at dialogue, but there's no story there. And you're like, okay, great. I love that you as an actor, like, I'll take that and I will have a fucking ball. But your storytelling, people are going to be like, what's the story? It sounds great.

Everything's got to be specific. And that's like, tear fire or two, shit. Like, oh, you want, you want it to be. you want more you want more okay yeah then that's the movie i'm making like on it yeah so we are currently working with a writer for i'm going to say the name of the movie is called hide it's it we're very excited about yeah we're really excited about it it's um we are finding a balance between building the character in the first half hour and scary stuff you know but for the first half hour you're with this character and you're learning about her and you're growing with her and

like that was what we loved. We've been watching a lot of movies that we love. And I said, do you know why I love Alien? I love Alien. I love the first one. And the second one's okay. It's more of an action movie. The first one I loved.

Why? I loved every single character. And there was a lot of them. I loved them so much. And when they died, I got sad. And when Ripley survived, I was cheering because I fucking love them. And in that movie, in the director's cut, I don't think you could even get away with this. You spend an hour with them before you even get to this planet.

That is character development. Now, can you do that now? No. So, but we, so we have to condense it to a half hour and that's even a lot of time to spend with a character. You know? I think you can do it though. I think it just has to be done. You have to know, but you got to know. You got to keep it moving. You got to keep it moving, you know. But you can do that in character build. Again, Halloween one, right? Like, it's a slow burn, but there's, there's always something happening, even though you're spending a lot. of time. Like, there's a lot happening in the space, right?

In the void, there are things happening. So while it's slow and it's a slow burn, aliens are the same way. There's still stuff happening. It's just happening peripherally. Yeah. And that's good storytelling, right? Where you're like, I just watched Possessor, which I liked a lot. And it's slow, but there's so much happening like around it that I'm like, no, no, no, it works

because I know I know it's building. So I'm in it and I like the person. And I will say this, when that half hour is up, my God, does that clock start ticking in this movie? It's like, oh, shit. Like, suddenly you're in third gear. And it's like, oh, no. But it builds to that moment. So, yeah.

Is it sensual, though? Nick, that's why we need your help. Right, right? Nick on sensual at a see. Sorry, bit of a tangent, but I also think. that one of the greatest homages that they missed out on was to actually take one of the songs from Halloween

3, like one of the Chase songs, like Charity of the Pumpkins, and modernize that and put that in the... So we all could have been like, the Lord! Oh my God! Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Put the horns up, maybe. Sorry, so... No, no. Let's... We'll wrap things up, guys. It's dinner time here in the UK. This stream is longer than the movie. I know, right? That's saying a lot.

We were talking to Sarah's like, are you guys going to talk for hours? Like last time, we did four hours. We also covered four movies. Holy shit. Okay. Our movie.

No, we'll wrap things up here. But I guess to kind of do that, guys, would you recommend people go see Halloween ends if they have not seen it yet? Nick, start with you. Yeah, I totally would. I think if you like,

if you like, if you like the Halloween movies, like in general, Even if you don't like slash, you're like, I like these movies, or you like Jamie Lee Curtis? You like,

yeah, I mean, listen, you know what you're, you don't know what you're getting, but you do, you do know what you're getting. Like,

go into it, if you go in it, you just have fun, I, yeah, I think it's great. I think it's enjoyable. It's well acted. It's well shot.

Um, I think there's some really great moments in it. There's some great moments if you like, slasher films. The cutting the tongue out one was brutal. and well done and I think it's

fun. It has problems but you know there's a lot of movies that have problems that you still can really enjoy yourself. I think in general this trilogy is for me

at its low point is still low but I still have fun throughout of it because I like the character if you like the character of Michael Myers I think it's a good one

to go see. I would watch it. I'd watch it again. Okay. How about you guys? Bethany? I would say no. until or unless a full, again, a full director's cut comes out.

I think that everything that I like about it, I like from the original Halloween. So I would say just watch the original Halloween. I would say if the stuff that is new in this film is not complete enough for me to be satisfied with the newness of it. So I think I would want a longer arc from Corey. I would want a longer, more realistic, romantic arc between Corey and Allison. And I don't get that yet. And I think we will get that at some point. So I would say no with an asterisk. Okay. Dennis. I would say yes. But here's how I would suggest you watch it. Watch Halloween season. Watch Halloween three. Watch Halloween three season of the witch. Then you're done. No. So here's what I would do. If you're interested in the Michael Myers arc, I think this is a very interesting way to watch this. Watch the

first movie, then watch Halloween ends. Skip everything else. Watch those two movies back to back. I guarantee you're going to like Halloween ends. I think that's good. I like that. Yeah. Skip everything else and just revisit it that way. And then watch Halloween 3 Season of the Witch, because that's the best one

out of everyone. And then watch Halloween H-2O because it's lovely and there's some pretty wonderful psycho-omages. That haircut. Are you, am I not alone? Am I not on an island? I love that movie. I got to go watch it. It's been a while. I think it's better than the reboot. Did we just become best friends?

Yes. Do you want to do karate in my garage? Yes. Do you want to do karate in my garage? Yeah, definitely. Halloween H2O is... It's awesome. Unfortunately.

Unfortunate title and a very bad haircut permeates the movie. But at one point... But at one point you get... Because Jamie Lee Curtis's mom, I can't remember her name, is in it. Janet... Janet Lee is in it. And at one point says, can I give you... you some motherly advice because she plays an older colleague and then this

the psycho theme swells and then blends back into the regular backer music and Janet Lee walks off to the type of Cadillac she was driving in psycho or whatever the car was and just like this like that's that's fan service right there. That is a friggin

movie. It's so good. I love that movie because I love it again for me H-2 and then that movie that's the one where I'm like those are my three, those are my three winner, winner, winner chicken dinner. But she's still his sister in that movie.

Yep. Yeah. I'm fine with that storyline. And she's also traumatized. She's drinking too much. You know, like it's a very realistic alternate universe take on her. And it's a great, our cat just came into the frame. How old we H2O all the way.

Yeah. Yeah. We just can't listen. Love it. Yes. Let's play. Well, all right, guys. So, speaking of movies, we cannot go without talking about a little film coming out very soon. And this is, I'm going to play the trailer, Dennis. Oh, snap. Okay. Okay.

I know it's premiering soon. So let me go ahead and play that very quickly here. Hang tight, guys. Oh, my God. That was awesome. That was awesome. It's half the length of the movie. Yeah.

It's a four-minute movie. That is so good. Thank you. I mean, Chesekis. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks. Yeah. So tell us a little about when is this premiering. How can we see it? Yeah. Tell us a little about Dors. You won't. I know you don't want to give away too much. But what are you willing to share? You want to, you want to, I'll let you take this. Yeah. So Dores is a is a short film that Dennis and I shot over quarantine. So in 2020, 2021. It was like when the 14th variant came out and everyone was like, please stay home again. Yeah. So. Dennis shot it, you know, cinematographized it. It was just the two of us. Yeah.

The two of us decided to produce something while we were like locked up and we were like, let's just do something short. It doesn't have to be like this big production. It'll just be the two of us. And it became a big production with the two of us. So it's this little film about a woman who is, uh, in her apartment and suddenly hears knocking coming from every door in her apartment.

She's terrorized by an unseen force. Yep. Yeah. And, um, yeah, it premieres. Uh, Halloween at midnight. So October 31st, as soon as you wake up, it will be on my YouTube channel, which is YouTube.com slash DeCallo. We're also going to be doing a Tilda and Tilda and Uncle Van live stream, which are two characters that we perform as. And that is a live stream that will be

on Halloween night from 7 p.m. to 8 p.m. You can also watch it there live with us. I believe it's going to be part of the segment, one of the segments in there, hopefully. We're really excited about it. I mean, it had a nice little run on the film festival circuit. we got into some crazy festivals. We didn't get into any of the big ones, but we got into some maniacal ones that we were like, this is great. We're in good company.

And short, four minutes. It's nothing. There's nothing gory. It's all psychological. You don't, you know, but it's,

I think it's pretty scary. I think it's pretty terrifying. Yeah. I think plays on the isolation. A lot of us have been feeling for the last few years. Yeah. And then we have other films too. Lonely Hearts is available on my YouTube channel and all my other films are

available on Vimeo. And again, now we're working on another short while we're working on these two features that, you know, we're working on. I'm working on something, a couple of things with you, Ryan and Nick. And we're also working on our own thing called Hyde, which we mentioned. But we are also working on something tentatively titled Demonatrix. And it is a short horror film that is fully dubbed. So it's meant to look like an old Italian movie that like, yeah. And so and so it's. And so it's, it's. And so it's. And so it's. that vein of like Mario Bava gory practical effects. It's insane. And for those who will get it, you will get it. For those who don't, they're not going to know what the hell to do with it.

Welcome. Welcome to this genre. For sure. Exactly. Yeah. This one at Demonatrix is, Demonatrix is 100% for horror fans. Like it is going to be loved by horror fans and probably for people who aren't

into that, the Italian and gore stuff. They'll be like, what the hell? Why? Is it wrong with the O-Pio? Like, you know. Love it. Hey, as someone who,

Suspira is one of my favorite movies. I can't wait. I cannot wait to see that, my man. So, God. Love Suspira. Love it. Nick, tell us what you're up to, my man. Where can we find everything you're up to?

First of all, just log rolling for you guys. Like, Doors is incredible. Like, Ryan's like, I like, watching on my phone with headphones. and then I like, I like screen shared to my big ass TV in my living room and watched it again. It is, it is, it is amazing. I just, thank you so much. I sent it to Nick and all I said is look at this camera work. And he immediately, like to be back and he was like, whoa.

This is me. This is me and this is me log rolling myself. I'm like, hi, Dennis. My name is Nick. Can we be friends? Do you need actors for anything you're doing? I just call me right I got to say uh you mentioned bethany's performance I have to just say bethany's performance in that movie is completely dialogueless completely wordless so good and you feel

every it's a testament to how great of an actress she is thank you she is and I'm not saying this because we because she chooses to put up with me every day I'm saying this because genuinely as a director she makes my life easier and that this performance is that performance is wordless and it's and it's great. Thank you. I highly recommend it's formaments, but it's a great form of just really solid filmmaking and storytelling and just visually it is. And again,

that's testament to both to you guys. I mean, it is just, you as a team creatively made something really cool and I, I highly recommend watching. It is visually pleasing. The storytelling, it's the storytelling it's pleasing.

It's a long rolling to you guys. Go check it out. Thank you. Very kind. Thank you. I just, I have no life and just talk. about sensuality.

You can find I'm on sexuality. You can find me I'm on IG a lot. I do a lot of baking. That's very random. He's amazing.

Check out. I bake a lot. I'll come upstate with some bake goods for you guys. Did you see that art? Did you see the art the clown cake that someone made? Nope,

but I'm going to now. So yeah, you can find me Instagram. I'm on social. There's a little movie Ryan I made, which I'm proud of. We did it. We did it. It's a movie.

We made a movie. We made a movie. We did it. We made a movie. It's called Revereux Lane. It's called Revereux. On this YouTube channel, actually, where you're watching this. Yes.

Give it a watch. I mean, I know Bethany and Dennis, but what can you do? But I do theater on the city. So part of Voids Theater Company, please go give Voids Theater Company a follow. Again, on social, is there a great awesome theater company doing new work from playwrights, new playwrights and players in other countries.

So multicultural work, it's fantastic. Yeah. And, you know, if you like baked goods, follow me in this stuff. Lots of bread and cakes. What about you, Ryan?

Where can people find you, Ryan? Gracious hosts. Thank you so much for having us for two and a half hours. This was my pleasure, guys. Honestly, guys, you could find me right here on this YouTube channel or every Monday at

Somewhere in the skies.com. A new episode coming out in a couple of days now. Oh, on Halloween. Guys, wait, let me just tell you my Monday sandwich. Every Monday morning. Here's what I do.

I work out first thing in the morning. So I listen to, I start with let's not meet. Then I do somewhere in the skies. And then I do, I save the Saturday episode of last podcast on the left for the middle. That's like, you know,

that's right. And then I finish it off with odd trails. If you want to do a podcast sandwich, put those all together. You'll have the best morning in your life. That's my Monday mornings. You can also find the Ryan's podcast. I do voiceover stuff for him sometimes. I've been hearing your voice on there.

The nasal Midwest quality of the stuff. Midwest. There's always a place for it. Always a place for it. Well, yeah, guys. So that's where you can find me. Bethany, we did not get your handles or anything. Let us know where we can find your individual work.

Yeah, I do most of my stuff on Instagram, Ms. Bethany Watson. I'm also on Twitter, Radio Bethany. But all of my stuff is on my website. Just go to bethanywatson.com and click around. Amazing. Yeah. Guys, this was so much fun. This is so much fun doing this.

Thank you for having us. Thank you, fabulous. What an honor, man. What an honor. Nick knows once you're on somewhere in the skies, you're on for life. So we will definitely be doing this more. Yeah. But no,

want to thank you for your time. I want to thank you for going through my crazy schedule and rescheduling this a million times. But we made it happen. I hope everyone enjoyed it. I'm so glad we made it happen. And Ryan, thank you for everything that you do. I know what you do is a labor of love, especially in the UFO field. But we're so grateful that you're that you do what you do. Yeah. We are big fans

in this household. Yeah. Oh, thank you. Well, I'm big fans of been a fan for years, Ryan. We've breeded a new podcast, We've breeded a new podcast. Hell yeah. Awesome, guys. I'm going to let you, I'm going to let the three of you go and finish wrap up with the audience here. Okay.

And talk shit about you guys. No, I'm just kidding. This was an absolute pleasure. I will talk to the three of you soon. We love you. Bye. Happy Halloween. Happy Halloween.

Happy Halloween. Halloween. Bye. Oh my gosh, guys. I special thank you to Dennis, Bethany, and Nick for taking the time out of their morning to do this. To all of you for watching, I hope you enjoyed. I hope you enjoyed Halloween ends. Let me know what you think in the comments below about the movie. If you haven't seen it yet, clearly, I hope we covered it enough for you tonight. But this is a lot of fun. I love doing stuff like this during the Halloween season. Move away from UFOs a little bit. Try a little something. different. So I hope you did enjoy that. And I hope you will enjoy our new episode of Summer in the skies premiering this Monday. The YouTube version is already up. It should be one video

behind this one. And I got to talk to documentary filmmaker James Fox about his new film, a moment of contact about this crazy UFO crash that happened in Brazil in 1996. So I'm going to go ahead and tease it a little bit for you. Here's a clip from that episode. There are testimony coming out now that we're the ones that shot at the UFO that crashed. That gash had had in the side. I'm not stating this because I don't know. But some Brazilian UFO researchers who've been digging into this case since 1996 are claiming that the American shot at it. Oh, interesting.

That's why we were involved on that. But these are people that would have access to high-level Brazilian, military, I can confirm that, that are stating that it was known that the Americans are the one that shot at it. Because it had a huge, according to the eyewitnesses, it had a huge gash in the back of it. It was in trouble and it had white weird vapor coming out the back of it. Not like a smoke from a fire, white. There you go, guys. A little teaser of our episode with James Fox. I hope you will either watch right here on YouTube or be sure to check it out on the podcast this Monday. Be sure to subscribe to this channel, click like, share it with

anyone you think might like it. And same with the podcast. Give it a subscribe, a follow wherever you get your podcasts, and always looking for people to tell their UFO stories on someone in the skies. So you can reach out to me right here on YouTube or at the website, use the contact tab somewhere in the skies.com. But other than that, guys, I hope you have a very happy Halloween if and when you celebrate. I hope this. was a good way to kind of ring in the spooky season with y'all. And yeah, that's all I got for you. So signing off from somewhere in the skies. Keep your feet on the ground, but never stop searching somewhere in the skies.