Somewhere in the Skies - Classified Sites, Black Projects, and UFOs (w/ Anders Otteson)

Episode Date: March 23, 2026

Ryan sits down with Anders Otteson of the Uncanny Expeditions YouTube channel, whose viral UFO footage and on-the-ground investigations have taken viewers closer than ever to restricted sites like Area 51, the Nevada Test and Training Range, and other classified black project locations. Anders shares how he began exploring secret military bases, what he’s discovered filming near highly restricted areas, and the story behind his now-famous “Dorito” aircraft sighting. He also dives into a UAP crash site he was the first to explore, the mystery of S4 and Bob Lazar, underground facilities, and whether what people are seeing are extraterrestrial craft or cutting-edge human technology. From camo dudes and surveillance encounters to where the UFOs may actually be stored. Anders shares footage and stories that expose these classified aerospace projects and what might still be hiding in plain sight. Over on Patreon and Apple Premium, Anders reveals additional off-the-record locations, shares his most bizarre encounters in the field, and dives deeper into other secret facilities and unexplained phenomena he’s investigated beyond Area 51. Subscribe to Uncanny Expeditions: https://www.youtube.com/@UncannyExpeditions Please take a moment to rate, review, and comment on Spotify and Apple. Use code words: "CAMMO DUDE" in your review for a special shoutout! Book Ryan on CAMEO at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DO Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: http://www.buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ PayPal: [e-mail] Substack: https://ryansprague.substack.com/ All Socials and Books: https://linktr.ee/somewhereskiespod Email: [e-mail] SpectreVision Radio: https://www.spectrevision.com/podcasts Opening Theme Song by Septembryo Closing Song by Per Kiilstofte Copyright © 2026 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. #UFO #UAP #Area51 #UnidentifiedAerialPhenomena #UFOsighting #AlienTechnology #BlackProjects #SecretBases #ParanormalPodcast #SomewhereInTheSkies #Mystery #Unexplained #Conspiracy #HiddenTruth #SecretsRevealed #DeepDive #ExploreMore Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Anders, welcome for the very first time to somewhere in the skies. Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here. Of course, man. Now, for those of my audience who may not be familiar with your work, I am going to immediately send them right after this interview to your YouTube channel. And that is uncanny expeditions. I first saw you on News Nation when one of the things that you captured in one of your videos

kind of went viral inside and outside of the UFO community. And we'll get to that, the quote unquote Dorito. Yes. But your channel covers so much more than that. So tonight we're going to be really talking about exposing things like Area 51, secret sites, black projects. Let's start from the beginning. Like, how did this all start? How did you become kind of an explorer? Have you always been kind of the adventurous type? What kind of got you into exploring the deserts in the United States and abroad?

Yeah. So it's definitely a long story in that it's something that I've been interested in since I was pretty young as far as the whole area 51, the other black sites, secret sites out in the desert. I used to spend a long time hours and hours reading about these kind of places on the internet, you know, reading all kinds of theories, not just about UFOs, but other black projects, aircraft projects, things like that that were being worked on at these sites. And it's always kind of been in the back of my mind. It wasn't always in the forefront of what I was doing. It kind of got put on the back burner for years. And then a few years ago, I started traveling the U.S. full time in an RV.

So I had quit the job that I had been working and I was able to do basically a remote job and working in national parks. Both of those things allowed me to spend almost five years traveling basically the entire U.S. And I would spend a lot of time, especially in the winter, in the desert southwest of the U.S. So a lot of the interests that I had in Area 51 and the sites that are located in the desert south West kind of came back to the surface and I started doing a lot more exploring. And eventually I started getting a little bit more serious about YouTube. It was basically January of 2025 that I rebranded my channel to uncanny expeditions. And I started actually turning it into something that was a little bit more serious besides just,

you know, fun uploads every now and then. And I kind of combined all my interests and hobbies, you know, the secret sites, the UFO stuff, exploring the desert, riding my motorcycle. I kind of rolled all that into one and turned it into what now has become uncanny expeditions. And it's, yeah, it's kind of the rest is history, I guess you could say. Yeah, and it exploded. I mean, I'm looking at your subscribers right here. You're pushing like 180,000 K subscribers, which is incredible.

It caught crazy. Yeah, like I still sometimes can't believe how much interest they're, ended up being in it. And I'm very grateful for everybody who's enjoyed the content so far. And I look forward to bringing even bigger and better stuff down the line. We're just getting started as far as I'm concerned. I love that. Well, you did mention the buzzwords that perk my ears and our listeners ears. That's Area 51, UFOs. So, of course, you know, that's my obvious next question. What was your interest in these sorts of things? Like, did you have an interest in UFOs prior to the channel?

Have you seen a UFO prior to starting the channel or anything like that? Yeah, so my kind of opinion on UFOs has, it's changed a lot as far as going back and forth over the years. So when I first started getting into the topic, I was super into, you know, Bob Lazar, his connection to Area 51, S-1. According to Lazar, his employer was the United States Navy. He says he and other government employees would gather near EG and G&G, fly to Groom Lake, and then a very few people would get into a bus with blacked out or no windows and drive to S4. When you get off the bus, what do you see? It's very interesting building.

It's got a slope of probably about 30 degrees, which are hangar doors. And it has textured paint on it, but it looks like sand. it's made to look like the side of the mountain that it's in, whether it's to disguise it from satellite photographs or what. I kind of went through a phase where I became really skeptical of a lot of these UFO claims. And then I've kind of come back around more in the last seven or eight years to being back to where I'm still skeptical of a lot of these claims, but I definitely believe that UFOs exist. I believe that the U.S. government knows more than they're telling us about UFOs.

And I am open to the idea of sort of like potential, you know, reverse engineering projects and things like that at some of these sites. As far as like having seen a UFO myself, there's been a couple of instances in the last few years, like basically just before I got serious about my channel. And these really kind of sparked my interest in the whole night vision videography kind of side of things. And basically what I saw is what looked like a satellite and that it was moving in a straight trajectory. constant speed and then after I was watching it for a few minutes it would suddenly dart at a 90 degree angle essentially so it started to move in a way that was not consistent with a satellite or at least a satellite that I'm aware of or any other known aircraft and I saw something that did that on two two separate nights and I would consider it a UFO

I don't obviously know whether it was you know a new type of satellite that can suddenly changed direction on a dime or what it was, but it seemed like it was very, very high altitude. That was one thing that really started to get me into, okay, I want to get serious about specifically night vision videography so I can hopefully capture some of these unusual things that we're seeing. In the past, I had the opportunity to go to the back gate of Area 51. You know, I did the whole alien thing. Went to the back gate. Gates, got my selfies, did all that stuff. I guess my question for you would be, you know, we had like someone who kind of directed us to where to go, what not to do, what to do,

things like that. When you first started these kind of expeditions and whatnot, did you have like someone kind of, you know, your Obi-Wan to the Luke Skywalker, like kind of guiding you and telling you, oh, yeah, this is where you should be looking. this is what you should prepare before you go. Here's some recon or some intel before you get out there. Like, yeah, was there someone like that for you? Or was this kind of like you just threw yourself in like headfirst? It was definitely more so that I just threw myself in head first.

So I didn't really have somebody out there with me acting as kind of the tour guide role or like the Obi-Wan, as you say. I had spent a lot of time reading about the area on various internet forums. The Area 51 subreddit has always been super helpful. There's also a guy by the name of York Arnew. He's a German guy who lives in Rachel. And he runs a website called Dreamland Resort. It's been out there since like 1998. I think he started it.

And I used to read that website a ton growing up. And it basically still looks the same today as it did back then, which is crazy. So that was a super good resource and people would post their like trip reports on there. Like, okay, I went here, here and here. And, you know, kind of just combining the knowledge that I had found from those sources and just going out there. And, you know, the first time I'd been out there, I kind of just did the standard stuff,

going to both gates. And I got more into mapping and, you know, going a little bit more in depth as I made subsequent trips out there. So I feel a lot more confident now than I did, you know, a few years ago just because of how many trips I've made out there, you know, I've, I've both relied on existing maps and I've kind of made my own maps of the area marking points where I think, you know, are good places to observe. So yeah, it's a process, but it's, it's come together pretty well, I think. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's a process, but I mean, the, the, the, I guess, reward is some of these incredible video. I will say you have arguably

gotten some of the best footage, I think, of Area 51, the Nellis range, the tone of all, like all of these places, closer looks and glimpses of things going on there than anyone I've ever come across. I guess for, like, I'm a city boy, right? Like, I grew up in the suburbs of upstate New York. I lived in New York City for like 15 years. I live in a city now in the UK. So like the desert, I'm not going to lie, but I would probably die within the

first 48 hours because I don't know how to prepare for something like that. So what would you say to someone who is going to go out to these super remote desert areas? Like, how do you prepare for something like that? Because you don't know if you're going to get lost. You don't know how far things. You can map it all you want. But, you know, it takes one flat. tire or one wrong turn and you know then you shit out of luck I guess would be the best way to put it how do you prepare for an expedition you brought up some some good points in that you shouldn't just rush out there unprepared because a lot of people look at look at it on Google Maps and they think they think it's a lot easier to rain than it actually is when you get out there

So one thing that I always recommend doing if you have access to this is to bring a Garmin satellite communicator. I haven't had to use it, but it's super nice to have as a piece of mind. Basically, it's like a subscription service that you pay for, but it's a little device where you can send satellite text messages. You can send out like an SOS if you had to get like an airlift rescue or something like that. That's a really good thing to have for peace of mind. having a vehicle that has decent tires is super important. So don't go out on these dirt roads. Even if they look like they're decent dirt roads,

don't go out there unless you have off-road tires. Because I have gotten a few flat tires even with having decent tread, and it really is not a lot of fun to deal with out there. So that's really key, just making sure you're prepared as far as having a good vehicle. always have food and water. I carry, you know, a ton of those little, like, backpacker meals with me that you can basically just add boiling water to and you got your calories right there. Yeah, I always have quite a bit of water, both water bottles and, you know, like a filled up, you know, five-gallon jug. So, yeah, that's, that's really the basics as far as, you know, being able to

survive out there and just kind of being mentally prepared for anything is key, you know, you, it's really, I like it out there in the desert because it is so remote. You know, that's something that appeals to me. I love being able to pick a road and drive down it and know that it's very unlikely that all come across another human. I think there's something kind of really peaceful about that. But for a lot of people, you know, that can also be kind of nerve-wracking. So you've got to be prepared in that year.

You're really alone in a lot of these places. Right. Right. You can physically prepare all you want. But, I mean, mentally going out there alone. I don't know how you do it, honestly. man. It's commendable. I guess we'll dive into some specific videos if that's cool

with you. And for those just listening on the podcast, we are going to be featuring some footage from some of Anders videos in the YouTube and Spotify video version of this episode. So be sure to hop over to those if you want to see some of the incredible things that he's captured. And the first one, Anders, this is the one that kind of went viral and got me to subscribe to your channel. when I saw what you were up to. And that was the Dorito aircraft.

Can you maybe tell us a little about, you know, where this happened, what the whole experience was like? And yeah, maybe where you stand on that today, what is or what do you think the Dorito aircraft was? And yeah, just lay out that whole experience for us, if you don't mind. And it was right at the same time that I had had my experience. So those two things combined, I was like, okay, this feels like, it was a really unique test flight of some kind that I had witnessed. So as I posted the video, it started kind of, you know, doing the rounds on the internet. That's where you saw it and everything. I had had some contact with a few aviation journalists at that point. And yeah, they were able to

float some pretty interesting theories, in my opinion, as far as like what this aircraft could have been. So a lot of people, you know, they say it's a UFO and stuff like that. I want to first say that as far as that goes, I consider UFO is something that clearly has like a more exotic propulsion system, whereas this definitely had a jet engine. So it's an unidentified military aircraft. But what I think is one of the more likely explanations for the Dorito is basically an electronic or electromagnetic attack aircraft. And this was proposed by a journalist Bill Sweetman. He was actually the first person to identify the RQ 170. So he has a lot of knowledge and expertise in the kind of black project secret military aviation field.

And he proposed that it is basically like a flying antenna. And each of the triangle edges will have emitters that will broadcast electromagnetic signals for jamming enemy communications, enemy radar. So you could theoretically send an aircraft like this in prior to a bombing run and have it basically jamming. jam enemy electronics. So I think that's one of the more likely theories as to what was going on. I think potentially what they were doing is the different codes could have been like a drink could have been like a particular radar signature and the food could have been whatever signal they were emitting from the aircraft.

So like it could have been like a Miculope or Corona could have been like a particular type of Russian or Chinese radar signature that they were spoofing. And then the garlic or whatever food item could have been the signal that was coming from the aircraft. And that's totally my own theory that I kind of just came up with based on the evidence. So yeah, that's kind of the gist of it. Yeah. I mean, that's so interesting. I mean, yeah, like you said, when you watch the video, which I'm sure at this point, we've cut to it maybe a couple times,

there is a clear propulsion to this thing. you know there is an exhaust uh behind it and whatnot um i i got to ask you do you think it was physically piloted or do you think this is more of like a ua v remote uh sort of controlled thing like a drone i guess of some yeah unmaned um manned or unmanned um that's manned to say for sure i tend to think it was i think it was probably manned um and in the article that i just referenced from bill sweetman he he thinks it was a manned electro magnetic attack aircraft. So that tends to be what I think, but I really

don't know. It definitely could have been unmanned. It could have been, yeah, a remote piloted aircraft. Obviously they do a lot of flying of those out there these days. So it really could go either way with that one.

It's hard to say for sure, but it's definitely, in my opinion, if it's the same thing that was seen in 2014, then it's for sure manned because, you know, those those as far as i know there weren't any drones that shape back in 2014 so if we're looking at the same aircraft as in those photos i would be pretty confident in it being piloted gotcha um cool cool well i want to move to another one of your videos that really caught my attention and that was your

video where you went to look for s for this kind of mythical location that bob lazar brought forward and you know this this kind of base built into the side of a mountain and and this is where he says he worked not at area 51 itself but a a location separate from that and um you know some people say that lends more credence to his story others say it lends less um but you went and looked for it um and i found this this video pretty fascinating because as you're going to where s4 supposedly is you're also telling the story of Bob Lazar and what sticks, what doesn't. And I loved it. I loved it.

It was like two dueling narratives going on at the same time. And yeah, could you maybe walk us through that one a little, Anders, your hunt for S4 and were you successful? Well, yeah. So as far as that video goes in particular, I basically just wanted to get to a good viewpoint where I could I could potentially look at Pappooos Lake from an angle that I could see the hillside where S4 allegedly would be. And unfortunately, there isn't a really close viewpoint where you can do that. So whereas, you know, viewing Area 51, I can usually get about 26 miles

away from the base. But for viewing Pappooos Lake, it was more like, I think it was more like 46 miles. So it was considerably further. So when you're doing that, you obviously have to cut through quite a of atmosphere to take any photos or videos. And it requires a lot of like post processing to get a clear image. But, you know, I would consider it a success and that I was able to get at least an image of Papoose Lake. I know, I didn't obviously see any physical evidence of the underground base. I do plan on, you know, potentially doing some subsequent hikes or subsequent

climbs of this mountain over a period of time just to see if there is any activity. But, you know, as I, yeah, as you mentioned, you know, as I was. climbing up this mountain to get this view. I kind of just was going through just kind of my thoughts on Bob Lazar and the whole S4 thing. And I've definitely gone through an evolution on on his story over the years. I'd say these days, I land a bit more on the skeptical side of things as far as his story. I'm definitely going to watch, you know, the new documentary that's coming out whenever that comes out. You know, if it has any any new evidence, I will watch it and I will take it with an open mind. But as of now, I kind of struggle a little bit with his background as far as some of the

things that, you know, I kind of know the profile of somebody that they would hire for a really secretive role at Area 51. I struggle with some of the things in his background, you know, fitting that mold because, you know, they really like to hire people who are extremely stable. They have extremely stable marriages and extremely stable home lives. And they are people that you know, that will not talk about it. You know, I've, I've had some conversations with people and we always come to the conclusion that the people who've truly worked at Area 51, they don't tell you anything about what they worked on.

Like, they are very good at keeping secrets. So I struggle a little bit with that. But, you know, as I said, I'm open to being convinced, even if I'm, you know, in the camp of being more on the unconvinced side currently. Because I have been, you know, I started off very much in the camp, of you know i got to know more about bablazar story i was very much intrigued and in everything by his story as you know i think a lot of people were and are still obviously um but as of now i land on the skeptic side i i really would like to find um independent confirmation of a facility at

papoose lake because that would you know really really solidify his story in my mind if if we could find something that indicates that there is something at Papoose Lake, that would, you know, be the, that would be really what I need to be 100% convinced. And as of now, I haven't seen that. You know, I've talked to quite a few military historians, like namely Peter Merlin. I don't know if you've heard of him, but he's like an Area 51 historian. He's not into UFOs at all. But he's done so many deep dives into the whole Nevada test and training range. and he has not found any evidence of a facility at Papoose Lake. And separately from that, I've had some conversations with people who have allegedly

been basically right on the hillside above Papoose Lake where the S4 hangers would be. And supposedly they have walked it and they have not seen anything, you know, manmade as far as what could could be underground infrastructure. Now, that doesn't prove anything, but, you know, it is evidence, you know, in that, that camp. So I'm really, I would love to see some independent confirmation of such a facility because, man, it would be, it would be amazing for his story to be proven correct. I'll say that. You know, I, just because I'm unconvinced doesn't mean I'm a debunker. You know, I want it to be true. We'll say that. Absolutely. I'm with you on that. I changed my mind every day.

And yeah, you mentioned the documentary coming out. We actually are going to have the director, Luigi on the show next week. So synchronicity at its best. I'm going to tune in. I'm going to watch it. Yeah. I got to see him. Yeah. Thanks, man. Thank you. Thank you. But again, like, you're out there doing the work. We can argue on podcasts and documentaries, all we want, forums. But, you know, you're actually going out and looking. And right now, you're not convinced. And I think that's where a lot of people are. So I do look forward to the documentary. Maybe someday Bob Lazar will testify in front of Congress. I would love that.

Until that day comes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm with you on that one. Yeah. Yeah. Let's stay in the Area 51 realm for a little bit here.

We'll move to some other facilities too. Because I know you're not, you're not just a one hit wonder with Area 51. Yeah, I had to broaden my horizons a little bit, you know. Well, that's the problem, man. Like, everyone knows about Area 51. So if there were UFOs there, they've probably moved him a long time ago. Let's be completely on. you know but um but it's still worth looking for and um you have made friends i would say with

the camo dudes a few times during your uncanny expeditions now yeah can you maybe tell us a little a bit about who these camo dudes are and um you know how close have you gotten to these guys and what do you think they're they're all about yeah so it's been interesting you know it's You know, it's, the Camo dudes are very elusive. I'll use that word because basically their, their, their, you know, their method of operation is they're really never going to interact with you unless you cross the boundary. So they're, they're extremely standoffish. Like they, like, if you approach a Camo dude in their truck, they're going to, they're going

to back away from you. It's really interesting. They almost kind of remind me almost of like video game NPCs. Like they have, like, really like predictable, like, behavior. here like in a way like I don't know it's it's like very very strange um but I will say that uh I have had a few interactions so on one of my recent hikes where I climbed a particular hill basically right next to the front gate and it's it's a hill that not many people climb but it actually lets you see the guard check at the front gate which normally you can't do but as I was

climbing that hill uh the camad dude that was watching us basically like he completely lost it He was like honking his horn and like, I don't know what he was trying to accomplish, but he was hawking his horn, flashing his high beams, like basically trying to scare us off from climbing this hill. Obviously, you know, it didn't work. I'm not one to be intimidated, but it was kind of interesting how, yeah, that was the reaction. The other thing is if you do poke around certain places on the border, they will give you what I call the helicopter treatment.

So they'll send out the, it's actually a unique. variant of Black Hawk that only exists at Area 51. There's only four of them in existence, and they're all in use at Area 51's perimeter security, essentially. So they'll give you really low flyovers, and they'll buzz you, you know, if they kind of want to give you a little like, hey, you know, we're watching you. They'll send those helicopters out and kind of give you a show. You know, I always, I always like when they send them out because it makes for a good,

good video clip. But, yeah, that's kind of the most sort of intimidating thing that they, they do these days. There has been a couple times where I've gotten, you know, a wave, you know, I've gotten a wave from the Camadudes, which I think it just kind of depends on who's working. You know, these are people too, but some of them are a little bit more friendly. Some of them are a little bit more, you know, agitated. It just kind of depends on their individual demeanor.

I think probably the funniest interaction that I've ever had actually didn't take place at the Area 51 border. But basically I had been out. I had been out riding my motorcycle around the perimeter and I had seen the Camadoos from a distance, but I didn't have any particular interactions that time until I had gone to Alamo, which is a town about an hour and a half or so from Rachel. And it's it's where like the Area 51 employee bus parks, a lot of the area 51 vehicles that aren't stored on the base are stored in Alamo. So I went to a, there's a little burger stand at a gas station there.

I placed my order. I was standing in line. I look out, look to my right and two camo dudes came in the door and got in line right behind me. So we had just been both probably been at the border at the same time. But I turn around and there's these two camo dudes just stand in like straight face like right behind me. And I had to wait for my wait for my burger. They had to wait for their burger. We didn't we didn't talk or make eye contact, but we were standing, you know, about, you know, two feet apart. And it was funny. It was just a really funny experience. I snapped a little quick picture of them before I left.

And yeah, just for the memories. But yeah, there's kind of a funny, funny way to wrap up that particular trip. You know, we had both been on opposite sides of the perimeter. And here we are ordering a burger at the same burgers. Yep. Burgers bring everyone together, man. They always do. Yeah.

Yeah. That's surreal. Because like you were doing your job, you know, which is exploring these sites. and creating content for your channel, and they're doing their job guarding that site. So that's surreal. Yeah, I try not to, I try not to go out of my way to harass these guys or make enemies with them just because there's really no point.

I mean, it would maybe get some clicks, but I'd rather, you know, kind of have a mutual respect situation going on. So like whenever I these days will video, whether it's a Camo dude or another Area 51 employee, I always blur their face out just because, you know, doxing them really, there's no point. It's only going to cause harassment for them. And it's not like we're going to learn anything more about the base from doing that. So I try and make it a point to, yeah, protect their privacy and anonymity. For sure. Yeah.

I mean, I've interviewed two individuals who breached the site. And they were held at gunpoint. they were given sizable fines and they were never allowed back anywhere in like a 100 mile radius of there so like it's no joke people have been shot people have been killed for breaching those gates and yeah like you said they're just doing their job this is a highly sensitive military base no matter what you think about UFOs or the mythology behind area 51 having anything to do with that Like this is one of the most highly sensitive areas in all of the world. So yeah, I respect that.

I respect that you respect what they do. And I have another story. I could kind of as a tangent, you know, we're on the topic of security. Now, this didn't happen at Area 51. So this happened on the southern boundary of the Nevada test and training range. So Area 51 is up at the north, the northern side of the range. I was at a town called Indian Springs, which is right across from Creech Air Force Base. And Creech Air Force Base is the headquarters of an OSI office or office of special investigations.

For viewers who don't know, they're an Air Force investigative wing. So they'll do like counterintelligence investigation, things like that. They're not quite like FBI and that they don't have the power to like arrest a civilian, but they'll handle the investigation and things like that. So basically what happened is I was at this gas station at Indian Springs. I had parked. I had gone in. I used the bathroom.

I got food. I was in there for maybe 10 minutes. I came out and there was four of these OSI investigators standing at my car. I didn't obviously know who they were at first, but they were basically four plain clothes, like business casual dress. side arms and they they were waiting at my car and when I got out there they they were asking me questions about my YouTube channel like one of the guys was like oh you have you have quite a few

subscribers now and they were asking me questions about like how much I spend on like camera gear and like they were really interested in like the night vision stuff and like how I shot some of the night vision footage and this was this was after I had both shot the triangle video and also after I had shot the RQ 170 at Creech. So I think they were potentially interested in like both of those, those clips. And I didn't really get into specifics. I was,

I kept it polite and friendly and, and everything, but, you know, I didn't have to answer questions, uh, legally. Uh, so I,

I, I, I, I, I didn't go into specifics that I didn't have to, but it was, it was a really interesting experience. And it was one of those things like,

I know my plate like popped on a plate reader like as soon as I got into town. And they decided to basically meet me at the gas station right there. So that was one of those experiences where it's like, people ask me if I think they're watching me and following me. It's like, yes, I can say without a doubt 100% that they are. I thought I'd relate that little encounter also. Well, hey, now it's on the record.

You've got some insurance, man, right there. Yeah, if they did pick in my door, you know, we'll see. But it's, it is interesting. There have been cases where people haven't. broken the law and they have had had their doors kicked in. A friend of mine, York, that I've talked about earlier, it happened to him. We see it flying over Rachel quite frequently. Yorg Arnou, a naturalized citizen, has devoted much of his life to understanding the base. His website, dreamlandresort.com, is a clearinghouse for all things 51, including photos and videos of the

base and anything flying above it. Arnue owns a home in Las Vegas, but Barneu owns a home in Las Vegas, but a place in tiny Rachel Nevada so he could be close to the action. I came to this country because I loved this country and I became a citizen to support this country. I would never do anything to hurt this country, but I don't understand what is going on right now. Arnou is not anti-government, not even anti-secrecy. He says he's always been careful to screen out content that might cross the line and expose something that is legitimately classified. But on November 3rd, he learned the hard way that something on his site had apparently gone too far. More than a dozen agents from the FBI and Air Force OSI smashed through his gate, broke through his door, and stormed into his home.

I'm asking, okay, what is going on? What are you doing in my house? To which I just, I'm looking basically at this point at a riot shield and a gun that was drawn and pointed at me. and an agent in a stern voice giving me commands to turn around, hands against the wall. He then proceeded to yank my hands pretty violently back, a handcuffed me very tight. I mean, it really hurt. I got the message that, hey, these guys are serious. Arnoux was held outside while agents searched the home. He was given a few pages from a search warrant that was more than 40 pages long. Most of the warrant remains sealed, he says, including what he presumes is an explanation.

of what the agents wanted. As it is right now, I have no clear understanding what I'm being charged with or why my property was seized. My various computers, three or four laptops, cell phones, memory sticks, backup drives, my camera equipment that is worth almost $10,000, my drone, everything was taken. I was presented with a list of items that were taken, but not with the reason why they were taken. At the same time, another team of more than a dozen agents

kicked in the door of his Las Vegas residence, roused it and detained his girlfriend, and then conducted another vigorous search. And I know a lot of the specifics of his case, and it's very, it scares me a little bit because they basically, they actually lied to a judge and fabricated evidence in their raid.

I know that for a fact. And so if they can do that in one case, they could potentially do that in another case as well. So it's one reason I like to be, I guess, really public about what I do is, you know, I think it does give you a little bit more security as far as I feel like I may be harder to mess with if everything I do is just out there at the open. Yeah, for sure. I think it's a good way to happen necessarily, but worst case scenario, you know. Yep, yep, exactly, exactly. And yeah, I remember when York's house got raided and there.

damaged things they never returned stuff like they didn't pay for any of the repairs on on stuff like it's it's troubling it is troubling man it's crazy um well speaking of york i'd love to move to another kind of big thing that made it into the news that you explored i know yorg did as well you guys even did a little crossover on your channels about this incident and that was back in October of 2025 when there was a UAP, quote unquote, crash out near Area 51. And in your video, you actually found some stuff out there, man. So can you tell us a little about this whole incident, what you know about it and where you stand on some of that today, if that's cool?

Yeah, for sure. So it was one of those instances where I actually wasn't near Area 51 when it happened. I was out filming, I think, one of my Hellendale videos at the time. And I saw the news reports. And basically, it just sounded like it was kind of a normal UAV crash at first based on the radio traffic that I'd heard. And as time went on, it kind of started to get a little bit more unusual as far as what the response to the crash was.

So basically immediately afterwards, there was, um, There was the Area 51 security, the Camwood dudes. They actually locked down the whole area. So all the dirt roads, you know, the road to the front gate, the roads, all the little side roads, they were standing there with assault rifles basically locking the whole place down, which I had never seen before. And if the narrative that this was just kind of a run-of-the-mill drone that had taken off from Creech Air Force Base was true, you would have had like regular Air Force security from Creech

up there monitoring the crash site, not the Area 51. security. So that kind of was what first hit me off that like, okay, this was probably something that, you know, took off from Area 51, in my opinion, and was something a little bit more unusual than just like an MQ9 Reaper, which is kind of the standard backbone of the drone arsenal. So after I made it out there, I kind of did some poking around. And I had seen Yorg's live stream. And he had gone to the staging area where the crash recovery personnel were. But as far as I know, I was actually the first person to get to the actual impact site where the burned grass and burned Joshua trees were. So I had filmed a little bit around there off and on for like the course of, you know, three or four days.

And then I went back and brought my metal detector out there and metal detected the crash site and was able to pull quite a few pieces of, aluminum, some different components that I'm not entirely sure what the material was, but kind of like a carbon fiber weave type of a thing. And yeah, I basically dug up what I could. And interestingly, the Air Force put out a statement, I think it was actually just before I had gone out to the crash site, basically saying that like they had, they were making a claim that somebody had been tampering with the crash site. It's a really weird claim when you break it down.

because they were accusing somebody of planting aircraft wreckage that did not belong to the aircraft at the crash site. But if anybody had been doing the planting, it would have been the Air Force. So like it was almost like a statement that was deliberately put out just to deter people from poking around the crash site being like, hey, you know, we're looking into this. We're monitoring it. Don't go out there. It was it was really, really strange the way it was worded. And I will say that I do believe that wreckage was planted at the site. I don't believe all the wreckage that I recovered was from what actually went down. I do think that there was an attempt to basically disguise it.

And obviously they also brought in dirt and covered it up because most of the burned section of the ground was like completely filled in. And it was pretty deep. There was several feet of dirt before, you know, I was able to dig down and get to, to where it was actually chart. So, you know, they trucked in dirt. They planted wreckage that was from another aircraft. Those things, you know, they both point to it being a classified test from, I believe, it took off from Area 51.

There's been cases in the past of wreckage being planted. You know, I think in maybe some famous UFO cases, but I know for sure in aircraft testing, some of the F-117 crash sites, when it was. in the early testing phase, they would bring out, you know, like F-14 or F-15 wreckage and scattered around just in case, you know, people like me were out there hunting for wreckage, they would kind of get thrown off the trail. That's interesting. It makes you go all the way back to 47.

And is that what they did with Brotswil as well, you know, the old tinfoil weather balloon theory. Yeah. Yeah. I never know. What would you say was like the circumference of the impact? site if you had to guess Anders. Like are we talking something big or like a Reaper drone? I don't even know how big a Reaper drone is. Are these things big or

what how big do you think this thing was that crashed there if you had to make a huge sweeping guess? So I think it was actually pretty small. So the the actual impact site it was pretty small. It was maybe only like I mean as far as like the burned area where like the fireball consumed and everything it was probably only like 50 feet like it was it was not very big and the aircraft itself would have been quite a bit smaller than that that's just the area that had been damaged in the impact and there wasn't really like a big scar where it had like hit the ground and like traveled you know pretty far before it exploded like it looked like it basically went straight down into the ground and you know blew up from there so i would say it was probably something

smaller than a Reaper by a little bit, in my opinion. So a Reaper has a wingspan of like 66 feet. The RQ 170 was quite a bit smaller. It was more like maybe like 30 to 40 tops. So I think it was probably something more RQ 170 sized, if I had to guess, which, you know, it could also be it was like an RQ 170 or RQ 180 because those are both, you know, drones that are still, they're acknowledged, but they're kind of, the exact details. about them are still pretty pretty secretive.

And they could have been potentially carrying like a classified payload that they that they wanted to cover up too. So that is another potential option. But yeah, as far as the size goes, smaller than you would probably expect for sure. Yeah. Well, I mean, that alone gives some clarity. So I appreciate that. Of course, you know, I see UFO people. We hear UFO crash area 51 and we're freaking out.

But it's good. It's good to kind of like bring this back to reality and be like, Like, I mean, there were still a cover up, which is very mysterious. But, but yeah, you also gave some good reasons as to why that might be. And a payload, I didn't even think about that. Like, that wasn't even, you know, when the Chinese spy balloons were found, it wasn't even the fact that it was a spy balloon. It was, well, what's the payload?

What's in this thing? Um, which was more important. So, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. And, you know, we are pretty sure that whatever it was unmanned just be, I mean, obviously, it could have been. been a manned man plane that went down, but based on the radio traffic and the fact that there weren't like medical, you know, personnel there and stuff like that, I think it can be

pretty conclusive that whatever went down was, in fact, unmanned. I want to sort of move to modern day euphology. Is that cool? Oh, yeah, yeah. So, you know, a lot of the news lately has to do with congressional UFO hearings and legacy UFO programs. You know, UFOs have crashed and they're being reverse engineered at, you know, secret sites like the ones you explore and whatnot. And right now, Representative Eric Berlinson in the United States actually visited the first

location of possibly one of these stored UFOs. Yeah, I heard about that. And he has plans to go, yeah, plans to go to more of them. There's even rumors that there's UFOs that have, you know, been found that are so big that instead of moving them to a location, they built buildings around it to study it, which is just crazy. So I guess my question for you then, Anders, is where do you think Eric Burlington should go? Where do you think they should be looking for these sorts of things? I mean, it seems like at this point, Area 51 is so played out. But what are some of these other locations, do you think, could possibly house something exotic, possibly non-human?

I don't even want to say alien at this point. But, yeah, is there anywhere you think they should really be focusing their efforts? And let's be honest, their resources and money, because there's money going into these expeditions by Congress members, as it were. Yeah. Yeah, you know, if the claims are true that a lot of this kind of stuff is kind of buried in private corporations, private defense contractors, I think a good place to try and go or good places to try and go would be some of these private aerospace facilities like in the Antelope Valley in Southern California. Places like the, you know, the Hellendale radar cross section test site. There's also plant 42, which is in Palmdale, California, and that's the Skunk Works headquarters. So if Lockheed Martin potentially had some technology that they're kind of keeping away from oversight,

I think plant 42 would be a great place to start. Yeah, beyond that, you know, Dougway Proving Ground is kind of a place that's been floated quite a bit over the last few years. that's out in Utah. I haven't actually done, I've been there, I haven't actually done a video on it yet for my channel. I plan on doing it this year. So hopefully that'll pan out.

It's another really big test range essentially, kind of like the Nevada test site is, or Nevada test and training range. But there's a lot of places out there where you could potentially hide stuff. So those are kind of what comes to mind. off the top of my head. There's obviously, you know,

I don't know if anything would still be at like Wright Patterson, but that's, you know, historically a place where potentially there would be stuff. I know, what was it, the Pax River Naval Air Station, that was something that, I forget who mentioned it recently, but somebody recently,

you might know, said that there was a hangar there. That is supposedly. Yeah. That is supposedly where, Eric Berlinson visited was Pax River. Representative Burleson, thanks for joining us. We don't have much time, so let's jump right to it.

You recently took a field trip to Pax River. Can you tell us what your expectations were going in, and then can you describe the trip and what you saw? You know, guys, I can't really, I have not publicly said that I've taken the trip to Pax River at this time. And so I'm being extremely cautious about where, I've gone so far because

but I have gone to a facility I've gone to a location that is the first on you know on a list of hopefully many locations and I and what I'm trying to do is not jeopardize you know make the not jeopardized for future trips

and but believe me at the end of this I will be making it public oh is that where okay so yeah it was brought forward by I believe Lou Elizondo. Okay, it was Lou.

Okay. It dates back even to like the Robert Bigelow days when he was doing his stuff with Skinwalker Ranch and AASAP, where he had this facility built to actually house a UFO and something was being transferred there that he was going to study. And the CIA put a halt on all of that.

So again, this is all rumor, innuendo, things that have never been proven. They've been documented, but documented is not proof. So there's a lot of mythology with Pax River, right now, at least. And I think there are probably places, too, that basically have not actually been talked about at all. Like, I do believe that there are some, like, operating locations

out in really remote parts of the desert southwest that aren't on basically anybody's radar. So I think there could potentially be, places like that worth worth checking out like i've i've heard of some places potentially in new mexico um that you know people have you know seen uh i know somebody who uh has seen some interesting things like in northern new mexico that uh could be be related um and also just even even in nevada like in the the nttr it's area 51 is like such a small part of the nttr uh it's it's one little area in this massive land area that takes up almost like all of central Nevada.

So there's places that are like further in inside the NTTR that you could potentially hide stuff even better than you could at Area 51. Like I know for a fact there's underground facilities in a place called Area 12. There's also the there's a place called Area 6 that is really interesting in my opinion. It's a place that I haven't ever been able to find a mountain where I can get a clear view of. I'm going to try a few more places down the line, but you can potentially see the airspace from public, but the actual facilities are extremely well hidden. And Lockheed Martin operates the facility at Area 6.

So that is a place that I really would like somebody with access, like whether it's Eric Berlison or somebody else, I would love for them to go there. And I would love to ask them about it if they know what's going on there. Because it's a, yeah, there's a bunch of weirdness with Area 6 as far as how. how it was constructed. Like they didn't go through the normal approval process that a lot of facilities normally go through. So like normally there's like a public comment period. There's like basically like an environmental assessment like the normal like construction process when you build a military base.

They bypassed like basically all of that. And it just like appeared on satellite photos one day. It's super strange. Here. Yeah. So it's look up. Do you think it's called the yucca air strip is another name for it. But it's inside area.

Okay. Yeah. Do you think, Anders, that's because it's Lockheed Martin, like a private aerospace weapons company? Is that why they were able to sort of bypass sort of the military permissions? I don't know how that sort of stuff works. I'm sure that that played a part in it, but they were still, to my knowledge, supposed to kind of go through the same process because it's built on, it's built on NNS. property. So that's Nevada National Security site. So it's actually Department of Energy property that the section of the area that it's built on. So like there should have been basically

public record of its construction that they were able to bypass. And yeah, I just I just find the whole whole area that they're super interesting because it's it's very, very hard to spot. And we just we really don't know what's going on there. I've heard things floated about UAV testing. whatever it is, it's something they really want to keep under wraps. Well, under wraps, you mentioned the Department of Energy. That's like the big boogeyman in the UFO world. They apparently have no oversight and they don't answer to anyone. So that's a conversation for another time, man, for sure.

Well, I've just got two more personal questions for you. And then I've got a couple listener questions if you're cool sticking around for those. Oh, yeah, I'm thrilled for sure. Awesome, awesome. And then we'll move over to Patreon. This is like an interrogation, man. Marathon interrogation. Oh, I love it, man. It's great. Oh, cool. Well, thank you. Thank you for your time. Have you ever been restricted or, like, threatened not to publish one of your videos or content of yours? Or have you had like your film confiscated or anything like that, any weird stories in terms of stuff like that? Yeah, so let's see here. I wouldn't say that I've I've been directly told not to publish something. I've definitely had things happen where I'll put like a little teaser image out, like particularly. I think the first instance of this was after I published a Lockheed Skunkworks photo.

I've had people, you know, in my DMs threatening me like saying like I should be, you know, executed for treason and, you know, know all kind of ridiculous stuff like that like I those definitely layer flare up like as far as the random messages every time I post something that's kind of you know a little bit you know crossing the line I wouldn't say crossing the line but like up to the line of you know actually posting something interesting you know I I feel like I always get those kind of messages but um after I after I did the the video on the Tejone Ranch facility I won't go into like the exact specifics but i had i was reached out to by some individuals with connections to

that place and was basically told not to do what i had been planning on doing in a follow-up video because it would potentially endanger my safety um i i'll i'll say that it wasn't like a threat it was more of like a like a warning like looking out for my safety uh from these these people and I can't necessarily verify all the claims that they made, but I am still in contact with some of these people to this day. And there will be some follow-up videos about the Tejohn Ranch facility that I plan on making, where I hope I can either sort of confirm or debunk some of the things that I have been told about that place. Because it ended up being one of the more interesting places that I've explored. It's basically for years who don't know, it's a place that's that's long been in UFO rumors,

but it's a private aerospace facility that's supposedly abandoned now, but it was formally run by Northrop Grumman. And yeah, now it's kind of in a weird, weird limbo state. But yeah, that's the closest thing I could say to somebody telling me not to publish something. It was more like, hey, don't go back and do what you were going to do in a follow-up video. So, but I've decided to play play the follow up a little bit more cautious than I was going to. And basically what, yeah, what the followup will involve is, is a little bit more long-term monitoring of the place to see if I can can prove that it's not, in fact, abandoned as, as they claim. Oh, interesting. Yeah.

Something might still be going on. Okay. Well, the claim is that there's still something going on there. Like, you know, lots of people have done videos. Gerbs talked about it. I'm sure you know his work, but he's talked about this facility. And yeah, I would actually, I hope to actually do a collaboration with him maybe on this, on this facility. Because I do think there's, I do think there's some weirdness there that has at least happened between 2011 and 2020, because it was supposedly abandoned in 2011.

And I have some pretty credible evidence that there was some secret stuff going on there after 2011. So, you know, who knows? We'll, we'll see what happens. But. Awesome. You and you AP Gerb. That's a, that's a crossover. I'm definitely looking forward to. I'm, I'm hoping it happens. He's a super busy guy, but we've talked a few times. And whether it's there or like somewhere out at Dougway, like, he's one of the few people like in the UFO world who's like really doing these like incredibly detailed like breakdowns of like how a reverse engineering program or multiple programs could work. And I think it would be super interesting to do a collab with him.

So I'll say that. We'll make it happen. We're manifesting it right here. UAPGERB. Everyone go tag UAPGERB on this episode on social media. We'll link them in the show notes. Well, let's make it happen. Let's make it happen.

Awesome. Awesome. Andrews. I've got some listener questions for you here. Our listeners are dying to know from you. you. Our Patreon subscribers, they actually get priority to ask questions, so they get put first in line. And Rebecca over on Patreon, Rebecca G. asks, Ross Colthart reported that there is a non-human craft so large that it's unable to be moved. We did mention this earlier. So a structure has been built over the top of it in order to hide it from the public.

The structure is a facility that is used by people who aren't even aware of what's under. underneath them. Do you know where this location is and have you been there? Well, no and no, but I know a lot of people say that it's that place in South Korea that has the large circular structure. I don't know if I'm convinced of that because I've seen people pull up basically facilities that are for the same, you know, stated purpose and having a big round structure like that isn't really like out of the norm for that kind of a thing. There's another place that I've seen floated, but not as often. And that's that place in Utah, the Desert Research Center.

Have you heard of that, Ryan? It's a- No, actually. Yeah, it's this, I don't know who actually runs it, whether it's like the Forest Service or like the Department of the Interior. But basically it's like a place where, Other people in the past have claimed that there's a UFO buried. I think John Lear was the first person to ever say that a UFO was buried there.

And obviously, you got to kind of take everything. He said with a grain of salt, you know, some things, you know, could be true, but a lot of things were like really out of left field with John Lear. So I do actually plan on going out to the desert research center and poking around a little bit. Because what's interesting there is there's like a little cul-de-sac of houses basically built in a circle, just kind of like in the middle of nowhere. And I think somebody, I think it was Linda Moulton How, how that, uh, photographed it like ages ago. Like I want to say in like the early 2000s.

And it was interesting because they were all in this really like run down like semi abandoned state, but there was like brand new like solar panels around the area. Um, so it at least looked like it was interesting to poke around and kind of to see what's up. Um, but I don't know if that's where, uh, Ross Coldheart was making his claims about. But it's another place that I know at least somebody has made a similar claim in the past for. Interesting. I have never scribbled so many notes during a live interview before. This is awesome, man.

Thank you. Thanks. Hey, Desert Research Center. I'm looking forward to that video too when you go there. Awesome. Our next question here on Patreon comes from Haruto M. from Japan, actually. This is pretty cool.

If some sort of government agency or military general or someone offered to bring you, sorry, language barrier here, if some sort of government agency or military general offered to bring you inside the most secretive base in America to show you what they have, but you could never report on it or share publicly or privately with anyone, would you do it? I would have to say yes. You know, it's not something where I would have to deceive people necessarily, but if I could just not talk about it, I would say, yeah, just because I think that would be worth it just to know for my own curiosity and my own, yeah, experience. I don't think I could pass up such an opportunity.

If it was something where they told me that I would have to go out and lie about what I saw there, that would maybe be a different question. Like if I had to go spread misinformation, I would have a lot more of an ethical qualm with saying yes to that. But if I just had to keep it to myself, I might have to do it. That's fair. That's fair. Cool. Our last listener question here comes from Shepard J on Facebook and E.S. asks, how often, Anders, have you run into people looking for UFOs out there? Also, what is the

most bizarre UFO story you've heard about involving Area 51? Let's see. So as far as running into people out there, UFO hunting, it's not something that actually happens a ton. So there's definitely been a handful of times where I've run into people. And sometimes I actually, especially these days more and more, I get recognized out there. So somebody will either see my bus or see me from a distance and come over specifically to talk to me or camp with me and stuff. They'd be like, hey, you know, I love your channel and stuff like that. So I've definitely had that happen out there. But it's such a spread out area. And, you know, you see people go out there a lot, but it's weird. Like the odds of actually running into somebody out there I found to be

kind of slim just because it's such a huge area that we're talking about. And, you know, I don't spend a ton of time just hanging out like at the gates anymore like I'm usually more like out in a little bit more of a remote area so it's it's not something that happens as often um what was the second part of the question whether it was like uh or what uh UFO encounters oh yeah i've heard about yeah have you heard any like super bizarre really out there UFO cases or as you're come across anything that he shared with you or yeah yeah any any any any tales from the desert um that really involve things that might not be conventional aircraft i know that's a hard question to answer but there's there's like honestly i get so many uh reports uh from different places out in the desert

like uh from fans or viewers who who've told me about things they saw so just to kind of like maybe narrow it down to like a couple recent ones specifically about the NTTR or like near Area 51. There was a guy who he told me about a time when he saw a giant black cube hovering over a spot inside the NTTR. And this is somebody who he told me, he came up to me actually when I was out doing a video at one of these places. And he told me that he had previously worked at a location inside the NTTR. And he had been stationed, where he had been stationed, he saw, like I said, this giant cube structure. And apparently, like, six or seven other people that were with him were also able to see this. And it basically kind of drifted over their installation and drifted away silently without any apparent, you know, conventional propulsion.

So, you know, I don't know what to make us something like that. It could be something exotic for sure. You know, we just don't know. I've heard a lot of people also tell me about just different odd lights in the sky, you know, making movements that wouldn't be consistent with what you would consider a conventional aircraft. In fact, I'd say that's probably what most of the UFO sightings out there are. It's kind of like a distant light, but, you know, it might move in a way that's unusual. And my own my own sightings out there near Area 51, like I mentioned earlier, where it was, you know,

it looked like a satellite and it made a sudden 90 degree turn. I'd say those are relatively common out there. Relatively in that, you know, I've at least had, you know, a few people tell me about it. Awesome, man. Well, I guess in closing for the main feed here for our listeners, is there anything else you can really tease? You did kind of tease some of the stuff you got coming up, places you'd want to go and whatnot. But any videos coming up in the next few weeks that you can kind of preview for us here?

Or are you just hard at work editing right now? I know that failing too. No, I'll tease definitely a little bit. So what I had been filming the last couple of weeks and I'm now going to be moving into editing is a little bit of exploring around the China Lake facility, which is for those who don't know, It's basically a Navy test range. You could almost consider it like the Navy's area 51. It's a little bit different.

But there's a particular place like on the northern perimeter of China Lake that I've been camping out. And yeah, so I plan to do a little bit more documentation of that area. So look for that in the future. A little further down the line, this is a place that gets requested quite a bit. And that's Dulce, New Mexico. So that's everybody knows about the story. there i'm sure i'm i'm not convinced of the whole like phil schneider narrative side of things um and i haven't fully decided how i want to approach this area as far as as far as the video but i do want to do a

video there this year and kind of just poke around and uh share some of my thoughts because i actually do i am of the opinion that there was some sort of military activity there you know i don't know exactly what they were testing but there are some researchers researchers who've who've come to that conclusion, you know, without necessarily, you know, going into the, the underground alien firefight side of things. I don't necessarily, I'm not fully down that rabbit hole, but I do want to, I do want to cover that area and, you know, see what we can find out there. Awesome, man.

Dulce in China Lake. I'm in. I'm in. I cannot wait. I can't wait. Anders, what do you hope people will take away from your channel? Like, what is it that you really want? Is there like a message you want to say?

you want to send out to people about why you're doing this, what really drives you and what you hope people will take away when they inevitably subscribe to your channel. Oh, yeah. Well, I guess overall, the overarching theme that I explore is just kind of the mystery surrounding these facilities. And I'm a big fan of the desert. I see a lot of beauty in the desert. And I try and kind of juxtapose the incredible beauty of some of these remote places with the fact that there's like this really secretive military industrial complex operating here at the same time. And I try and kind of show that that interesting dichotomy. And, you know, if we can if we can document, you know, whether it's UFOs, whether it's experimental aircraft, whether it's, you know, just parts of these bases that haven't been filmed before, that's my goal. You know, we're not necessarily, I don't necessarily go out to like to hunt for UFOs, but it's a part of this kind of wider net that I'm casting, I guess you could say. Awesome. And well, again, we're going to put links in the show notes to your channel.

People have been watching some of the videos as this episode has been going here on YouTube and Spotify video. Again, if you're just listening, head on over to YouTube, head on over to Spotify video. watch some of these beautiful landscapes that Anders has captured and some really up-close images and video of things that probably we were never meant to see. It's awesome. And where can we find your YouTube channel uncanny expeditions, obviously on YouTube, but give us the link. And again, we'll put it in the show notes as well. And yeah, where can we keep up with everything that you're up to, Anders? Yeah. Yeah. So the biggest platform, obviously, is YouTube. So YouTube.com slash at Uncanny Expeditions, I believe is the URL. I'm also pretty big on Instagram as well. I do post post on there. And I respond to quite a few messages on there. If you have a question or something you want to share, that's Uncanny Expeditions on Instagram. Instagram.com slash uncanny Expeditions. I'm on X as well. I don't post on there as often, but every now and then. That's Uncanny X.

That's a EX on X. It's kind of a mouthful. But yeah, that's where folks can find me. You can also email me uncanny Expeditions at p.m.me. And it is a proton mail email address. So if anybody has anything interesting to share that they want to share on an encrypted platform, that is a way to do that as well. And I've had people ask for my signal link.

If you email me and want a signal link to share stuff, I have that available too. So perfect. I love what you're doing out there. I'm wishing you all the luck in the world. Be safe out there. If you want, guys, head on over to Patreon where Anders is going to go through a couple more of the locations that he's visited, some of the experiences he had there. I'm going to ask him about his favorite UFO cases that are out there. And also, if he's had any other paranormal or unexplained things happen in his life.

So head on over to Patreon if you want to hear that exclusive episode, patreon.com slash somewhere skies. Link is in the show notes as well. But for now, we'll leave it there. And yeah, this has been fascinating, Andrews. So thank you. Thank you so much for joining this. Oh, yeah. It's been great.

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