Somewhere in the Skies - Close Encounters of Sweden (w/ Fred Andersson)

Episode Date: July 2, 2023

On episode 324 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, we are joined once again by our resident Swedish UFO researcher, Fred Andersson. We dig deep in to a handful of highly unique close encounter cases, including fire-humanoids in Mörsil and Lundbovägen, suit-case carrying owl-creatures in Smedjebacken, and much more. Andersson gives his thoughts and theories on several of these cases, having personally interviewed the witnesses. Read Fred Andersson's articles at: https://fred-andersson.medium.com/ Order Ryan’s new book: https://a.co/d/4KNQnM4 Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskies Website: www.somewhereintheskies.com YouTube Channel: CLICK HERE Book your Cameo video with Ryan at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DO Official Store: CLICK HERE Buy Somewhere in the Skies coffee: https://bit.ly/3rmXuap Order Ryan’s older book: https://amzn.to/3PmydYC Email Ryan directly at: [e-mail] Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryansprague51 Twitter: @SomewhereSkies Instagram: @SomewhereSkiesPod Read Ryan’s Articles by CLICKING HERE Opening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per Kiilstofte Copyright © 2023 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is Somewhere in the Skies with Ryan Sprague. Welcome back to Somewhere in the Skies, everybody. And welcome back to Fred Anderson, our return guest. How are you, my friend? Hello, hello. Thank you for accepting me once again to this wonderful show. Yeah, I'm fine. I'm very, very fine.

I'm, however, I've been sweating like a pig today because it's been warm outside. You know, summer has struck Sweden. brutally. But I'm not complaining, but it's warm. It is very, very warm. Now you see the top of me here. You don't know if I have thoughts on underneath. Same, my friend. People will just have to guess if we're wearing pants at all tonight, for sure. It's very hot here in the UK as well. We're going through a heat wave. So I understand and feel you're extremely temperate pain right now, for sure. But other than, I guess, the weather, you've been a busy guy lately. I know you're working on several projects. I know some of which you can't talk about just yet. But you have been

cranking out articles like crazy. And I want to cover some of those with you tonight because actually the main one that I came across resonated a lot with me because it actually has to do with a topic I covered in my most recent book towards the end of my book with a very fascinating case in Australia in 2009 actually I had a Australian Air Force officer reach out to me who had a I guess so you could call it a close encounter incident that occurred on a military installation in the outback with what she could only describe as a fire figure, a fire humanoid, a term I'd never really heard before until I came across these cases that you uncovered in Sweden. So we're going to get Swedish

again tonight, my friend. You are our resident Swedish euphologist, and you have come across some amazing cases having to do with these fire humanoids. But we're going to cover some other cases as well. But let's, I guess, kind of start with like a moth to a flame, the fire humanoids of Sweden is what you titled it. And you begin the article with a theory by using an analogy of moths to a flame, which I absolutely love. So before we even get to the fire figure humanoid phenomenon,

what really inspired you to write this article? And what was that analogy you were trying to really get across to the readers of a moth to the flame? Well, some years ago, we went to China, me and Gregorich, for a trip, which was an amazing experience. And I took a photo inside the temple of a fire. There was like a, what do you say?

Yes, a fire in the middle of this little square and you had people praying and making offerings around it and I snapped a photo of the fire. And when I looked at the photo, there was a, I would say, a perfectly shaped dragon there. The flame was in the shape of a dragon. And as I mentioned, it kind of looked like a seahorse also, of course. But I mean, it's a dragon.

It's China. You know, so I'm, you know, this thing with fire and how it has fascinated us humans for, I guess, eternity, that struck a chord with me. That struck a, you know, for me, fire is very meditative. It's like you can look into the fire, you can look into the glow and you can meditate, you can see shade. and it kind of transforms itself in front of you. And this dragon that it showed up in the fire in China, I mean, China is the country of dragons, felt so powerful. You know, it felt so, I mean, fire is alive, fire is intelligent,

fire is such a huge part of us. And it's also so, I mean, it's so deeply connected to ourselves as humans and to our civilization, to our culture. So, I mean, it didn't surprise me that I saw a dragon in it. Of course, you can call it Pardolia, of course, you know. But I obviously saw and captured what I wanted to see and capture. So, you know, fire for me is something very, very powerful. I mean, we all know if we've been out.

in the forest in nature. We're making fires and we sit there under the starlit sky. It's a truly magical moment. So, yeah, you know, okay, sorry for going a bit new age here. But, you know, I would say that was the thing that started my thoughts about fire itself, that we can kind of project our own fears, our own perceptions into it. I don't know if that made sense, but you know, I'm Swedish.

So I'm, I'm... You never make sense. Come on, you're Swedish. No, I love that, man, because it is, for me, and I know this may sound cliche, but it almost to me resonated as a burning curiosity. It is simple a term as I could put it. And you even say, we are moths endlessly circling the bright lights. Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, this is something I've been thinking about for a long time, because we humans, we're attracted to light, we're attracted to fire. I mean, if we're alone in a forest somewhere and we see a light, we're either attracted to it or we're scared of it because what can it be? we're curious, we instantly becomes curious when we see this bright glow. I mean, much like what's this bird's, they're attracted to bright objects and steal them, basically. It's like, oh, how to put it.

I think it's important, you know, the bright light itself, the fire itself, because it's a signal that there is someone or something out there, It might be dangerous. It might be a friend or foe or whatever, but it's out there. So when there is light, we're never alone, you can say. And I think that's why we still look up at the stars, you know. I mean, it's big and, you know, it's such a huge space, but we see this bright spots up there. And we know that we are not alone.

there is a huge, you know, enormous universe cosmos out there. Yeah. I love that. I love that, not alone. And that leads into this interesting wave of UFO settings that occurred in 1978 in Sweden. Again, cases I had never heard of, but you were able to dig up with all of the archives that you work with. and just the incredible research tools at your fingertips in Sweden. And one of those was Lars.

I would love, would you mind kind of running us through the experience of Lars back in 1978 with this quote-unquote fire humanoid, if you don't mind? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Lars Vestelund, he was a 16-year-old boy who has been out barbecuing with his friends at a beach nearby in a small, small place called Mearsil. It's out in nowhere. And he was walking along the lake that's there. You know, it's pretty late.

I don't remember the exact time right now. And he's going to take a shortcut over a field. And when he comes to the fence, all the chaos starts to panic. Maybe they're afraid of him. I don't know, but they run past him, you know, like they're scared of something. But, you know, he's a 16-year-old boy, so they're not scared of anything. So it jumps over the fence, walks a few meters up until it comes to an old bunker. Because this whole area is filled with World War II bunkers that was built in the 40s.

You know, they were, you know, because of wartime, of course, and it's pretty close to Norway. which the Germans had invaded. And he sees this big, bright, glowing light, and he hears this violent fire sparkling from one of the bunkers or from the direction of one of the bunkers. And he looks there and he sees, you can almost say like it's a, he described it as a two meter tall, two meter tall, bright, bright thing basically,

maybe, you know, like a big rectangle. And in that rectangle, that portal, you can say, there is a silhouette. There is a humanoid silhouette, you know, with head, shoulders, everything, legs, you're standing there. And the silhouette, this humanoid thing, have also a weird helmet on. It looks like it has one of those World War I helmets, It's a pickle hoube, I think it's called. It's a German helmet with a spike on top.

And, yeah, and you know, he's so scared, of course. It takes a few seconds before he gets scared because it's so weird, which I can, you know, I can understand. And he runs up to the nearest street and he meets a friend who have seen the light, but he don't want to go down there, of course, and then he runs back home. And this is like all the cases we're going to talk about in this episode, this is so much about the personal intimate experience of the unknown. You know, there's not a big UFO which hundreds of people see. It's just a boy on his way home.

He's cheerful. Maybe he's tired. He wants to go to bed. They have the weekend to look forward to. And then this thing just appears and grabs him and, you know, pulls him out of the reality, basically. And, you know, I'm so in love with these cases. This small, I mean, it's not big and spectacular,

but it's something powerful, you know. And just that he compared it to fire, to the sound of sparkling fire, with the glow and everything. It was like, you know, I guess in one way, maybe it's more of a, you know, ghost experience, you know, because of the bunker and the silhouette and the helmet and everything. I mean, there were, you know, I don't know what to say, but it's so difficult sometimes, you know,

when you only have one witness to really understand what's it about. That's why I'm saying it's a personal experience. And personal experiences for me is probably the most important thing. if you get something from it, or if you feel something, it could be scary, it could be funny, it could be whatever, you know. And this boy got very scared. Yeah. Tell me about it.

Well, in that personal, I think, that personal reaction to these things or the aftermath of an event like this is obviously what I consider my euphology. as well in the United States and now in the United Kingdom of how these events affect individuals and how they do just come out of nowhere and change you forever. And it's clear that this was one of those cases with Lars. I have to ask, what was kind of the aftermath of the event after this all happened? Do we know at all? Did he report this anywhere? What happened with this case? He reported it to, I don't remember if it was Uphoswarya or Uphusun Swalna, but they reported it to UFO organizations who came there like one day or two days after two investigators. And they, of course, checked the location.

They didn't find any signs of, you know, something that, you know, of something flammable or if it's burned or whatever. And I mean, I tend to agree with them because they also. they said that it's very unlikely that it was a prank because this trip home for Lodge was of course very, it wasn't planned, you know. It would be very difficult for his friends to know where he walked, where he went,

and just stand there to surprise him or something like that. So as usually, I mean, in the weird cases, the odd cases in Sweden often happened in the 70s, and there was a lot of UFO organizations and the offspring of UFOSweria in the works, and they were so good at following up cases because there were so much fun things happening. But yet today there's no explanation to this little incident. It's still a mystery. But yeah, I would for sure would like to talk with him.

And oddly enough, I haven't even reached out to him yet. because I think he would be quite easy to find. I mean, he was pretty young at the time. His name is not unusual, but it's not, you know, it's not the most common name either. So, yeah, maybe I will, I will try to find him, actually. Thanks, Ryan. Get on that, man.

Get on that. Well, another person I hope you'll reach out to is Jeanette. Now, we're going to move to, you know, not too long after the large event happened. Jeanette was another case of a quote-unquote fire humanoid that happened in the same year in Sweden. So I guess, yeah, could you tell us a little about this case and maybe any comparisons you might have drawn between the two? I think actually they're very similar, you know. This was like a month after in Sunsvah.

Soonswale is a bigger town, but this was kind of in the suburbs. of it. And Jeanette, she was 18 years old, so she was young also, and she was out jogging. And she came to this forest area, and she was running into it to turn around and go back home again. And just when she was about to leave this area, she sees this bright, glowing light in the forest. And she continues to run, because at first, as often you kind of, it's so weird, so you just, you know, whatever. But she was smart, so she stopped and went back and took a look at this. And here you have something that's, that's, it really feels like some kind of door,

some kind of science fiction door. That's the only way I can describe it when I look at the drawing she made, which kind of is, it's, according to the description, it's more square, but the drawing is more rectangular and it's like a vertical line through it with two other lines at the top of it and inside this bright, bright,

glowing object there was a humanoid figure who was moving around and as she was watching it she could see how this humanoid figure was kind of gliding out from the frame. She didn't see it outside of the door or what we're going to call it.

But she just disappeared. You could see head and nose and everything. And moments later, she heard a rustling sound in the vegetation. Then she got scared and ran home. She got her mother. They went back there. And of course, there were absolutely nothing to see there. There was no bright light.

There was no strange interdimensional doorway. There were no humanoid. it was just dark and quiet. So it feels, to me, it feels very, very similar. The figure itself, they see it looks a little bit, you know, there's some difference in it, but it's still a silhouette in a glowing inferno of something. I'm afraid I don't know really what happened after that.

I know that they did an investigation. and of course they couldn't find anything. It was just completely empty. But I don't know if there were any more follow-ups or what Jeanette has said about this later. But I think it's fascinating that there's two very, very similar cases in so short of time and in the same part of Sweden also. Not overly close, though, but it's still, you know,

it's in the same part of Sweden. And often when I look at cases, I look through a lot of old Swedish magazines. I often find similar cases nearby or close to each other in time or in space. It's like a mini wave, you can say, a mini flap of something weird that happens. And these cases attract me because it's rarely anyone writes about them. They're mentioned, there's an article in some old magazine, and then they're gone. It's like they never happened. The left, we have these witnesses who probably have the experience of their life.

Yeah, they didn't see, it wasn't the Independence Day blowing up shit. It was something strange and something that they just can't describe. you know. Yeah. And I mean, I've been talking a lot with witnesses in other cases recently. And one thing I've noticed is when they have these experiences, they can't let go. I mean, I talked with a man, he's 74 or 75 this year. And in 2011, he saw a big, huge red UFO above his house.

His wife saw it also, a giant. He couldn't say if it was one kilometer wide or 500 meter wide, but it was enormous. And when we were talking about it, I could hear how this touched him so much. It was so emotional for him to talk about it because he thinks about it every day. And I wonder if Lars and Jeanette does the same. Do they think about it nowadays? I'm curious about, you know. You're great at protecting your data, but lots of places could still expose you to identity theft.

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Well, okay, curious. I'd love to get your personal curiosity, your burning curiosity. I'm going to make any fire puns tonight, Fred. I apologize. Of what are we dealing with, with these humanoid beings that seem to appear in light or in fire? Do you have any sort of nuts and bolts theories or metaphysical? theories on what these might be. Yeah, yeah, what do you think? Well, I don't know if I can go the nuts and bolts way in these cases. You know, I'm very, very difficult to do that. But, I mean, we have, of course, stories about fire beings in mythology and legends.

We have the genes, of course, who are fire beings. And this kind of felt, kind of felt like Scandinavian version. of that, you know, put in our culture, in our nature, something, you know, so powerful that it kind of transcends the symbols we have around. So it's, I mean, in the Arabic world is, of course, something different. But here in Sweden, it's out in the typical Swedish environment, the cow field or the pine tree forest, you know, something that's, very, very Swedish.

We have old legends in Sweden about like fire spirits, you know, that lives in fires and you should, maybe they were maybe constructed more to teach people how to work with fire, you know, respect the fire. So if someone got hurt, it was, of course, a punishment from the fire spirit that you, that, They got hurt. You know, it's, but these two cases are still pretty, they're pretty different from what I read before, you know, what I found before. I really haven't found anything similar to this. But I'm, you know, I'm, you know, if anyone have found something like this in some other country somewhere else, I would love to hear it, you know.

Absolutely. Yeah. I don't know if I ever told you this. But this thing about not letting things go, you think about it every day. I had an experience. We were like four or five people. I think this was in 2019. And this is one of those ridiculous stories where we, every one of us had cameras.

You know, we had cell phones. We could take a lot of photos, but we didn't. It's absurd. We were out barbecuing near a field out by a forest So we had this huge field in front of us And suddenly we noticed that out on the field Were a big bright circle of light You know a perfect circle in the field

From nowhere there was you know there was no No vehicle above it You know no helicopter no lamps It was just a big bright circle And I remember Gregors and a friend moved in that direction until they came to a ditch with water in. And then they felt, no, let's not go. There is much trouble to go over the ditch. But we were standing looking at this circle for at least, you know, half an hour, 45 minutes.

And I didn't take one single photo. There is photos from that evening. Every photo is, I cropped away. that part of the field where the circle was, you know, every photo, there's from all angles but never that spot. And that thing, yeah, it's

and I don't think about it every day, but I think about it at least once a week. You know, what the heck was it, you know? And it's one of those small experiences. I mean, it's, I didn't see a UFO. I didn't see humanoes running around.

I just saw a weird, strange, big light on the field. So I mean, my advice to everyone I talk with take a photo, even if the photo doesn't show everything, take a photo of that spot directly. Do it. Do it, do it. Lesson learned. I know, man, I can't tell you how many people come to me every day and, you know, with an experience. And I ask, is there any photographic or video proof of this? And you say, no, I just didn't think about it at the time. And it's so true. in the moment, it's a deeply personal experience for you and possibly you alone or maybe a small group of people. And that's it. And I do honestly feel that with many of these cases,

even the fire humanoid cases, that's how it was meant to be for you and you alone, not to be known to the world or understood, but just either a tricksterish little game, as we'll get to you later in the episode, playing games with these phenomena, or, you know, either something spiritual or folkloric or angelic or demonic. Who knows? Who truly knows? So, ah, man, I find it deeply fascinating.

Well, I want to move backwards in time, actually, from 1978 to 1968. You covered in the same article as the Fire Humanoids. an incident with a group of young boys. And the reason I wanted to talk to you about this is because this is a case that could quite possibly involve something to do with portals. And while I find that deeply fascinating, a rumor on the street is Fred Anderson hates portals. So tell us a little about this case from 1968. And tell us why in the hell you hate porthos so much.

Well, this incident in 68, it was a boy. His name is Benny. And I had a pleasure to talk with him a year or two ago. And he still remembers it very clearly. He was out playing in the forest near some old mines in Sme, the Bakken. And they built a little hut there, he and his friends, and they were playing around. I guess they were playing cowboys and Indians or something like Swedish kids did at the time.

Suddenly they see three very tall men in kind of white clothes. You can't call them overalls and they were carrying these little suitcases in their hands. And they had their heads covered. They had it's a little bit, it depends on which description of the case you read, but they have quite big black eyes also. Benny himself kind of, you know, he backed off a little bit from that detail when I talked with him.

And the three men seemingly came up from this mine or from the entrance. They were near the entrance. And they saw the kids and they were standing there looking at them. And the kids got so scared, of course. And they started to run. And these three beings started to,

to run after them. Very, very scary. But they didn't just run. They were like floating. It was like they were slightly above ground and there may be a little bit, you know, maybe a little bit of slow motion like they were in a different kind of time. And for Benny, this was a very, very important experience because after this, he had years and years of UFO science. often big golden discs that were hovering above lakes and forests. And it was, I asked him about this. Could this have been a key, this experience for you, a key like to some other kind of language, a symbolic language,

or a key to another realm or whatever? And what I remember now, he agreed with me. It was kind of the thing that opened up. up his way of seeing stuff and experiencing stuff. And it's, I mean, I have actually a chapter about this in my upcoming book. And I speculate a little bit about that and cave and mine dwelling creatures we have in Sweden. Like, for example, the mine wife, or the, yeah, the mine wife.

wife of the cave wife or trolls, of course, because, I mean, wherever there is caves and mines in Sweden, there's always stories of supernatural beings living there. It's kind of their, there I say it, their portal to their world. Yeah, but I, you know, I'm thinking a lot about Benny's case and I'm after talking with him and hearing how he kind of backed off from the more bizarre details and still

stayed with the weirdness of it, I got so much respect for his experience and his story. He for sure saw something there. I have a couple of theories about that, but I won't bore you with that now. The theories that deals with non-supernatural

beings, but it's a fascinating little case and I think it's written a little bit about it in some older international magazines but it's still also quite forgotten. So I felt I need to

write about it. I need to talk with Benny. Yeah. Well, I would like, and I know you said you would bore our audience with it, but I actually, I disagree with you. I think I would find a more possible prosaic

explanation interesting as well. Would you mind maybe painting some context for that in terms of what it possibly could be, if not some strange, bizarre entity from elsewhere? Well, in this area of Sweden, up until maybe 15, 20 years ago, it was a big place for moonshining. People made their own booths, which is of course illegal. And they often used abandoned houses and abandoned mines, places where people don't go, you know, and they put up their equipment there. And I, when I was discussing this with a friend Jimmy Beres, who I have my Swedish podcast with, he's from the area. And he said, well, you know,

it could be moonshiners, because they could have their equipment down there in the, in the, in the mine, they could have protective clothes on. And when they come up there, maybe with, you know, money, maybe they sold booths or whatever. I don't think you can earn so much. money from it, to be honest. So they have suitcases with money. Maybe they just saw the kids and decided to scare them. And then this

whole experience just became even wilder in the imaginations of these kids. There is, I mean, two of the kids, two of the boys remember this clearly. The other boys have absolutely no recollection at all of this experience. So

it must, no matter what? It must have been quite traumatic for them. So if it's moonshiners or aliens or trolls, I don't know. But it's a good story and I would

like to go to this area and find this mine and this place because as often you have to go to the location to look at it. Maybe together with Benny one day because I want to see. I want to feel what he felt at that moment.

Right, right. Oh, I definitely think you should. Okay, well, I'm not going to let you go that easily, Fred. Why do you hate portals? Come on, man. Tell me, what is your beef with portals? Portals are like demons. They're overly excited. I can't speak English now because I'm getting upset. No, I'm not yet. You know, I worked with a lot of paranormal television, you know, ghosts and spirits and stuff. And if it's one thing that mediums and ghost hunters, even some friends of mine use when they try to describe a very haunted place, is that they say that it's a portal. It's a portal there, especially all these psychic mediums. Whenever there's a lot of activity at the place, suddenly there's a portal there. portal with evil spirits and demons and stuff coming out.

And it feels, I know people will get upset with me, but it feels like a sheep and simple explanation to something. You know, it's like, where do this come from? Oh, it's a portal. You know, it's, and I've heard it so many times. I know John Tenney mentioned that when he did the ghost stalkers, they edited one episode, so they said portals like 32 times. during half an hour or something like that.

So it's like, production companies, they love portals and they love demons, and I'm kind of bored with them. That's why. But, you know, portal says a concept. It's interesting. Absolutely. I'm just, you know, I heard it too much. And I'm using it myself. I get it, man.

Well, yeah, it's a sort of a blanketed way to explain away a lot of these things. where there's probably much more, I mean, not that a portal isn't bizarre, but there probably is much more bizarre explanations. It could be other than this huge sweeping term of it came from a portal. Yeah, yeah, I find it fascinating. So thank you. Thank you for sharing that case with me.

I found that one super interesting. Let's say I'm more interested in what's behind the portal in that case. The portal itself, it's just a portal. and here's our reality and what's on the other side. That's, I find even more intriguing, but I rarely see any theories about that because we don't know, of course. It's impossible to know.

Yeah, so, you know, if you ever see a portal go into it, please check around, come back, bring a camera. Bring a damn camera, guys, into the portal. The Summer in the Sky's podcast is free to listen to you every week, But if you would like to help support the show, we have a very active Patreon page where you give what you think the show is worth. In return, you'll get early access to the main show, bonus episodes, and priority to ask our guests your listener questions. Your support truly makes the show continue and grow. So to learn more and to join, visit patreon.com slash somewhere skies.

Okay, so I want to move to another article of yours, Fred, that I found really interesting. This is a very complex, convoluted, but extremely interesting case. And please forgive me, if I'm saying this wrong, I know you'll correct me. This article was titled The Vanishing Visitors at Vic Bolandat. Is that correct? Vig Bolandet Vig Bolandet Okay

Yes Got it got it Thank you I knew I knew that you could help me with that It's another Another case from the 70s Something with the 60s and 70s

In Sweden with these Highly Strange cases Would you mind kind of running us through this one And why you decided to cover an entire Dedicate an entire article to it Yeah, I mean, I first, honestly, I first read about it in a post on Facebook that Albert S. Rosales did, where he told this weird story which was set in 1973 in an area called Viculandat outside Norseoping. And there was this, I will probably mix his version with my own here. I will try to keep them apart.

But in short, there's a man. He goes out to his summer cabin in a very idyllic place. And he leaves the car after hearing a huge bang, you know, like something completely out of the ordinary. And he runs out maybe like 100 meters down to a field. And on the other side of the field, he see a bunch of green creatures. walking, some, you know, normal adult size, some shorter.

And they had like antennas and they had big black eyes. They had, and they were kind of, kind of looked like they were floating a little bit. And they were walking. They stopped and they looked at him and they even pointed at him. And he got very, very scared. And then they continued to walk and they kind of just disappeared into nothing, you know. And he ran back to his father. And, you know, that's what Albert Rassolz wrote in his Facebook page.

So I had to look it up. So I was, you know, I couldn't find any information about this case. Not that UFO archive or colleagues in the UFO Swedia, no one had heard about it. But there was a drawing together with Rosales post. and I was starting to send this out. I sent it to some comic book organization. I sent it out to researchers. I sent it out to friends.

And one day, a buddy called Tobias wrote back and said, well, that looks exactly like an illustrator called Riccatsvenson. Rikazvenson is kind of a folklore cryptosologist in Sweden and a very, very good artist. So through that, I could identify that it was in a specific magazine in UFO Actoelt, and I managed to trace it down where it's mentioned, and it's mentioned very briefly in one article. I don't remember a year now. But I could from that also identify the location,

and I could search the archives, and I could actually find the original report for it, where this man who wants to stay in. anonymous, he describes the story in more details. And he adds a lot of details in it. It differs slightly from the internet version. It was more, they didn't have big black eyes, but they had like what looked like kind of helmets on protections.

Black, Bisseer, I don't know, the English word for it black covering their faces and like helmets, but still antennas and green. but when I was reading it, I was like, it's really, it kind of feels like it's describing a troop of militaries, a troop of soldiers. And I was looking around

and I could see that in this area, there were military exercises during the 70s, not 73. I couldn't find any info about that. But in 74 and 75, absolutely, where they had, you know, tanks and stuff and they did this big exercises. So I was thinking maybe he saw militaries

from a distance and he just confused it. He wasn't expecting it. Still, I'm not sure that theory works out because they had their summer cabin there and they would probably know and be aware that the military had, you know, doing stuff there during the 70s. They couldn't have missed it

because these operations they did was gigantic. You know, so it's bizarre that he didn't know about it in that case. And so it's one of those stories. I love this story. I love this story because it's so connected to Swedish folklore. When he describes it, it feels more like, yeah, he describes them with antennas and kind of, you know, alien-like, but it feels more like some kind of forest spirits

or being something from Swedish folklore, trolls or whatever. And also in this case, because I read the report in his own writing, this obviously meant a lot to him. He couldn't let this go. He was thinking about it every day. So it must have been something out of the ordinary. I have a very hard time to actually think that. there was militaries. It could have been.

But in Sweden we have militaries everywhere. I mean, everyone do military service. Not me though, but everyone do military service. So we're familiar with how they look, how they behave. Sounds like I'm describing some animal here,

but it's, I find it unlikely that he could mistake soldiers for aliens or for something else. You know, It's a strange, odd little case, I'd say. Yeah.

Now, if I recall in the article, you also compare it to a possible other case that involved two women. Is that correct? Yeah, absolutely. That's another mysterious case. I haven't been able to trace down the original source of it, the original letter or the original report. But it's also set in the 70s, of course, as a woman, she's going out to pick berries. And she goes out to her favorite forest. She finds a couple of mushrooms, but no berries.

It's completely, you know, there's no berries at all. And she's out walking on this little trail. And suddenly she hears like a little, not a little voice, but she hears a voice behind her. And she turns around, so two girls, quite 70s close. are sitting there on a log looking at her and they're eating some cake and they're kind of naughty and cheek you know there's something mischievous about them and they she when they say hello she oh she's shocked so she she says sorry that she didn't see them because she didn't see them and they say don't worry about that because no one what's how how do they say it now no one

walks over us or under us or something like that. It feels like some kind of spell, some kind of magical words there. And she starts talking with them. And they seem to be very, you know, they've been traveling all over the world. They make you very adult references. They're very, very polite. And they end this with saying, okay, now we're going to eat some berries. And then she looks around that the whole forest is filled with berries again.

And then the girls are gone. This is a very short version of this one, because they have a long dialogue with each other. And for me, this is a classic case of Swedish forest nymphs, you know, like elves or fairies or something like that. But in a 70s environment, basically, because they really had, you know, this typical 70s jeans, pants and everything like that. I have a fondness for letters that comes in without any background to them because whenever I look through magazines, both UFO magazines or normal magazines for, we have a genre of magazines in Sweden made specifically for middle-aged women. Well, you can learn to cook food, you can, you know, like very, you have crosswords in them.

It's family magazines, you can say. And especially in the 70s and 80s, there were always these weird stories where the readers could send in their odd experiences. And you can find so many strange stuff there. And you have absolutely no idea where they come from because there's no information who wrote it. And the only information you have is what their letter says. And it's like with this story, it's what I told you now.

You can probably find some info about this on the internet. This is all we got, basically. And I'm wondering, are these real incidents or are this someone's imaginations? Or are, is it dreams that someone has written down believing it's real? Or, you know, is it real? We don't know. And I find that it's super mysterious. I think I've written about a couple of those cases in my book and even on my medium.

where people have the most extraordinary experiences. So insane stuff, and it's frustrating because you don't know who it is. You want to talk with this person, you know. Yeah, I love that. I don't know why. It's probably because it's unreachable, you know, than I... We love the unreachable, my friend,

or else we wouldn't still be here doing this today, trust me. Well, yeah, no, no, please. I can add shortly, I found another case. It's a pretty modern one, which I was planning to include it in the Fire Humanoid article because it had some similarities to it. There was a woman and her son, I think, her grown-up son, were out in the forest. It was pretty dark. It was in the evening, I guess they were on their way home,

and they were walking along some forest roads. and suddenly see that as really, really strong bright light at the end of a tractor road. And they stop because they're scared because this is so, so intensive. But they go a little bit closer because they feel maybe it's a car, maybe it's, you know, maybe it's someone they know. But as they go closer, they see from the middle of the light, from the bright, strong light, they see a humanoid being kind of sitting in a share

kind of coming out from the bright, you know, like it's sitting in some kind of device of some kind. Yeah. And now I'm afraid I actually don't remember how this ends because I've read about it quite recently. But I guess they studied it for a moment or two, And as usual, in many of these cases, they just walks away, you know, because they don't know how to deal with it. They don't know what they're looking at.

And that one is a pretty strange. And investigators from Euphosvary was there the days after checking the area. There were, of course, no tracks of any kind. The road itself was closed off. So you couldn't drive some kind of forest machine or tractor in there. It was like cut off. And that's also, it's a quite small, weird story involving a very, very bright light. But this time, some kind of floating being or at least strapped in something coming out on the light.

I like that. I like that. Yeah, that's very interesting. It's like a floating throne of sorts. Yeah, absolutely. Maybe it was a troll king showing himself. A troll king, exactly. Okay.

You went there, trolls. We can't escape the fact that a lot of the cases from Sweden are some of the weirdest in the world. I'm not going to lie. Every time I speak to you or you come out with an article, you find the weirdest cases in your country. And that speaks volumes to me, at least, the humorous and the ridiculous nature of these phenomena. And I think there's this huge misconception within euphology, specifically. I don't know about the world of the paranormal or crypto,

zoological, but in uphology that everything has to be serious. You know, that we have to look at this from a very rigid perspective to try to understand it and come to conclusions. And look, these events, like you've mentioned many times tonight, could be deeply traumatic for the individuals who've witnessed or experienced them. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that

you've got beings floating in thrones or you've got little green men with antenna just floating around and vanishing. It's weird. And to be honest, it's hilarious in so many respects. So let's talk a little about probably one of your more recent articles, which was, is there room for humor within euphology? And you give some great examples of why you. think, well, I don't want to put words in your mouth. Do you, Fred, believe there is room for humor and euphology? And what does that mean to you? Yeah, I do. I do. I mean, this is probably

the most absurd, bizarre subject one can deal with euophology and humanites, you know, high strangeness. It's something that, you know, it goes so much further our, you know, normal reality or consensus reality. It's like, oh, how to put this. I feel that the phenomenon kind of acts like we feel. So if we're scared of something, if we're afraid when we're watching something, it will seem scary or be scary. If we though take a step back and distance ourselves from it and look at the absurdity, it will be funny and it will behave funny.

So if you're in a lighter mood, it also will behave that way. I mean, we have a case, I think it was in 89 or something, there was a man sitting drinking coffee by his kitchen table. And suddenly he sees this fluorescent person. It's a, you know, he's a bright person kind of walking like a, kind of like a crab, you know, over his yard, you know, a couple of meters from his house. And he was mostly curious because he was like, what the fact, what is this? You know, he wasn't scared or anything. It was just a bizarre light being kind of doing a crab walk over his yard. And he was so curious about it.

loved it. He took his jacket and walked out to take a closer look at it, but of course it was gone. There were no traces in the snow or anything like that. But he was a person who was willing to explore to embrace the weirdness. He didn't run and hide. And absolutely, all respect for people who are afraid, who have had traumatic experience, I totally understand that I have no idea how I would react in a situation like this, of course. But I still feel that if you bring humor and curiosity to the experience, it will play with you.

It will dance with you. That's my, and that can turn out to be very, very funny, you know. It's like, I mean, we mentioned Trickster earlier and the phenomenon is, I would say, it's a trickster being by itself. It's probably lots of different things, but if you put everything under umbrella, it's a trickster umbrella, basically.

In this article, I make the comparison to older UFO sightings. If you look at in older UFO books, there's often mentioned the falling leaf movement where the UFO is like moving like this. and I was like, what is this? Did people see this once upon a time? You know, UFOs going like this?

And I was thinking about this. And I noticed that most of the old, obviously, seemingly very fake UFO films, you know, Super 8 films and stuff, were often miniature UFOs, flying saucers hanging in invisible threads. So they were kind of moving like this. They were moving by the wind. Right. So, yeah.

So then it struck me, maybe, maybe is it so that the phenomenon wants to play with us even here? So imagine you, Ryan, you go out on some field in Scotland and you're seeing this awesome, cool UFO, you know, like, what? This is the smoking gun. And you take up your super eight camera. let's say this is the 60s. So you start filming it with shaky hand. Now you have the ultimate proof. And then you go home and you develop the film.

And when everyone, you gather military and press, and you're going to look at the movie for the first time. And what you see is a paper-maché, a paper miniature UFO hanging in a thread. And you saw it. You saw it like the most awesome thing in the world. and here you sit in a laughing crowd of journalists who says, oh, it's a hoax, you know, it's fake.

So maybe the trickster element transform itself to a model UFO when it's filmed. So it can be seen and still not be seen, if you understand. Interesting. It's like a hide-and-seek thing from the phenomenon. And today, of course, it's, you know, yeah, you see this cool UFO and you bring up your camera, your cell phone is still just a blob. You know, it's just some fussy thing there.

Or it's, it's, you know, everyone says it's Venus or it's a balloon or whatever. You know, it's like the phenomenon kindly fucks with you. No, I mean, not flaxing like having sex, but, you know, fucks around with you. At first, I didn't think it was real. I woke up to this blinding light and I was transatlantic light and I was transatlant. ported to another place. Pluto TV. Then I heard a voice. Come with me if you want to live.

There were thousands of movies and shows, and they were all free. The truth is our scene. It's just so beautiful. On Pluto TV, free streaming of Terminator 2, Fringe Arrow, the 100 N-EX files may cause excitement, loss of sleep, and sudden belief in extraterrestrials. No credit cards or alien encounters necessary. Pluto TV, stream now, pay never. Hey, who's... I'm not judging. I'm not judging. You love who you want to love, even if it's a UFO. Yes, that's fantastic. Thank you, Ryan.

So I truly believe that the phenomenon has humor. I think the phenomenon itself is a trickster. And I think, therefore, we need to embrace the humor in it. We need to embrace it and hug it and have fun with it. Once again, Joni Tenney said it in countless. of podcast episodes that the phenomenon wants you to go out and play.

It wants you to explore and play. And I think that's the, if there's a meaning with it, it's to have fun. That's my opinion, you know? But you know, me, I'm not, I'm not so into, you know, militaries and stuff like that.

If the militaries haven't experienced something truly weird, of course. Right. Yeah, yeah. It's once again, it's the personal experience. And you know that, you know, it's the human approach to it. It's so important. It's so important.

Absolutely. I don't know. It's probably countless. I mean, we could bring up all the old cases, you know, like Sam the Sandown clown, where I actually heard a weird theory the other day that Sam is also a slang for the devil. And during that the same time, there was two big hits or two popular songs. one by Pink Floyd and one by Black Widow who both sang about Sam, the devil, Lucifer Sam and Satan Sam.

So it's like a clown could have been a manifestation of some kind of trickster devilish pun creature, something like that, or the gnomes of Volta and Park or, you know, whatever. All of these cases are just fun. They're weird and scary, but they're also. fun, you know, at least when you look at him afterwards. Yeah, exactly. You know, and you use as an example, also the Simonin case with the pancakes, which I absolutely just, that is the most endearing UFO close-encounter case I've ever come across.

Aliens who bake someone pancakes and then just disappear and are ghosts. I mean, that's hilarious. It's hilarious. It is. It is. And I mean, Simonton himself seemed very perplexed by it afterwards. You know, why, why? Why are they doing this? Right. For the first time in all these years, I actually made pancakes during that day. And I accidentally burned one of the pancakes. So it looked exactly like one of Simonton's pancakes. And I was so proud of that. You know, it kind of felt. But yeah, Simonton, it's an old case. Everyone talks. about it, but it's a great one. It's still a mystery for me because I'm sure he saw something, whether it was physical or non-physical or a dream or hallucination or imagination. I don't know, but he experienced something.

I love good old Joe. What a guy. Good old Joe and the pancakes. We'll never forget. Never forget, guys. So you mentioned Fred military, and that seems to be what everyone is talking about right now. in the world of UFOs, this gentleman, this whistleblower who came forward and said, the United States government has programs where they have recovered non-human craft,

spaceships, as these call them. And this plays into the entire post-2017 UFO narrative of military, military, government, UFOs, government programs. And, um, I feel like ever since then, people have lost sight of how truly bizarre and strange the UFO phenomenon is. So my question for you is, how do we maintain that wonder and that burning curiosity of these strange cases we've talked about tonight? I guess kind of in juxtaposition to all of these very serious nuts and bolts UFO cases of the United States Navy or Air Force. Do you think we're losing sight of how amazing and beautiful the UFO phenomenon can be, I guess, in relation. to what we're seeing play out today in the UFO world? Well, I hope not.

But here's the thing. Everyone is so focused on military and trained of servers and, you know, this uniform people, probably a lot of good people who have experienced us. Absolutely, I'm not denying that, you know. But they're so focused on their experience, on their badges, on their, you know, what do you say in English?

They're credentials. Yes, yeah. Yeah, credentials, you know, all that stuff. But people tend to forget that, honestly, there is nothing, there's nothing like a trained observer because a human is still just a human. I mean, you can be an experienced cop or a military, and you will still mistake Venus for a UFO or you will still be able to imagine stuff

or you will still be able to be fooled. In Shakvales' Revelations, a book I'm reading now is you write something like you can have an office, you can have an office at Pentagon and still be crazy, you know, just because you're, just because you're military or police or a trained observer doesn't mean that you actually is a better observer.

I mean, it's absolutely impossible. Yeah, I understand if you're a pilot, but you're still, when you're a pilot, you still have your own perception through the lens of being a pilot and a military. So you will see things that other people won't see, but you will see it maybe more in a technological shape. you won't see flying, you know, gnomes up in there. You will see something that looks like drones or weird cubes or anything like that, something like that. And if you, I think, I think we all need to look beyond that.

Still respect these people's experiences, but also realize that they're just humans. So beyond these stories is naturally something much weirder than what the media and UFOologists and everyone else wants to say. This is something a lot weirder than just drone-like UFOs or tick-tacks or go fast or go slow, as I heard they call it now. I try to see the human in it. And with David Grush, I'm fascinated by this guy. I actually believe that he is perfectly honest. But I also think, and I'm going a bit conspiratorical here, I think he's been set up because it's so weird that he's doing this investigation

and suddenly there's people coming up to him and tell these amazing stories. and gives him this information. And as he told it, it felt like it was kind of during a quite compressed time period. It wasn't over four years. It seemed like, I don't know, it was during a shorter period. So, of course, he could have been fooled for some reason. And he believes it. And I totally respect his belief in it.

And his belief, no, sorry, his experience is by itself weird as hell. That's the weirdness in it. his experience in this. Because imagine you're, you're investigating these bright dots in the sky and these drones and suddenly people start talking with you that we have, they have, we have bodies, we have crashed UFOs. And suddenly it becomes high strangeness of it. But people don't want to see it. They just want to see it as something, you know, government cover up, conspiracies, whatever. But yeah, so I, Of course, there is a danger with only seeing, looking at the surface of these cases and stories, definitely.

I always recommend if you want a boost of something strange, go and pick up an old UFO book from the 70s or 80s. Just glance through it and you realize it's so much more out there. And listen to the experiences out there, people who have this, because there are tons of them. There's so many wonderful, beautiful people out there who share their stories. And to be honest, in their cases, it's some kind of stigma because many people don't believe them. They believe the militaries and pilots, but they don't believe old Joe out in his yard, you know, wrestling with gnomes or whatever. You know, it's, it's, yeah, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, that's, that I would say that's it, you know, open, have an open mind. There is so many other cool stories and experiences out there, you know, and I don't, I don't, I don't want this weirdness to be lost in, in, in, in, and leak to,

documents and stuff like I know no no that's so boring really I know man I know well and that's why we have you on to shake things up and to talk about weird ass Swedish UFO cases um and that's kind of where I want to I want to wrap things up I want to tease the audience a little bit with a book that will most likely be out by the time this airs um of preserving the much lesser known cases and preserving the rich, rich history that Sweden has with the UFO topic. So before we let you go, can you hint or tease a little bit about your upcoming book, what we can expect from that, and hopefully where we'll eventually be able to buy it? Yeah. It's called Northern Lights, High Strangeness in Sweden.

And it's a collection of stories and experiences from the 20s up to the 2013, I think, is the latest one or 2011. And I tried to pick out the weirdest stuff from Sweden's large history of really odd cases, you would say. It's a lot of humanoid, a lot of strange encounters on foreign. roads and fields. There's, you know, there's alien dwarfs wrestling innocent victims. There's my favorite case where there's this weird, fluffy boxes floating out from a large, large UFO outside an old transmitter station. There's so many odd cases experienced by very convincing people, people who never backed away. from their story and in many cases could be confirmed either by friends and family or other

people around them who said you can trust this person you know he's he or she won't make this up um so i'm this i think it's like eight or ten chapters with a main case in each and then i kind of goes off into a lot of smaller cases and then i kind of makes of my kind of mixes this with my own personal thoughts, often connected to folklore and a little bit of woo-woo and esoterica. But still, the main case is, you know, I've been focusing on getting it as detailed as possible as it happened at the time with, you know, correct dates and environments and everything like that. So it's been a huge job writing it. And I've been working on it on and off for like, it's like two years now, I think. And the last changes I did was today.

When the editor sent me, I found stuff that I was like, what did I mean with that? You know, so I have to. So, you know, you know, I know that feeling. Yeah, you know, kind of goes blind. But I think it's in a very proper shape to be published now. I'm so happy that Beyond the Frey publishing want to release it. I was surprised, actually, because I didn't expect it. I just sent it to them.

And a day later, they returned to me and said, you know, Fred, we got to release this one. Call us. We need to have a meeting. Yeah, it was like, whoo. So I'm very, very happy and proud to have done. this finally. Yeah, you've broken into the American mainstream, as it were for us. This thing's going to be read by everyone I grew up with in the U.S. and abroad, which is amazing. You know, these cases, again, I cannot stress, Sweden has one of the biggest and largest archives of UFO material

anywhere in the entire world. And the fact that you have that at your disposal and you've uncovered so many of these these amazing cases these are cases that i can guarantee you most united states UFO researchers or canadian UFO researchers or even many you know european researchers aren't aware of so i think you're doing a huge service to not only the topic but um uh to your country specifically for getting this this out there so yeah all the power to you, man. Thank you. Thank you. And about the archive, you out there support archives for the unexplained. They always need money. They need to keep this thing going. It's a bit tricky nowadays. They have so much stuff and everything is in 15 or 16 different storages.

And they need to have one single place for everything. You know, so I'm just saying, buy your books from them. They have a lot of really cool books for good prices. So it's a little bit of advertising there. Sorry, Ryan. Not at all. We'll put a link in the show notes as well where people can purchase there. I'm always on the website looking at what they have available.

Because again, these are books you're not going to find just on Amazon or, you know, at your local bookstore. These are books that have been curated and uncovered that have gone lost to time. time for a long for a while so uh yeah i i could spend hours just looking at the website and looking at what they have available um now it's just a matter of buying them so yes please support the archives guys again i will put a show note below for that but um other than that fred other than the book coming out um i know you're working on other projects as well is there anything else you can share with us about what is to come in in your work work in the UFO field?

Well, there will be a big documentary project being released next year in Sweden and Scandinavia, but I hope it will find this way outside of our parts of the world about this subject. I don't want to tell so much more about it. Actually, you know, I don't want to jinx stuff. Of course. It's very, very cool. And if you don't mind, Ryan, can I ask your Swedish listeners if you have experienced, if you have experienced interesting, cool, powerful UFO experience or a UFO experience or

humanoid or whatever, and you want to share it and maybe even talk about it in front of camera, send me an email. You can send me an email to Fred Anderson. Fred. dot Anderson at gmail.com, and I will take care of it and get back to you. I would appreciate it because we're always up for some interesting cases out there. Yeah. Absolutely, man.

Yes, guys, if you live in Sweden, if you've ever been to Sweden, if you've seen something in Sweden, Fred would love to talk to you. And again, that's what we need. We need new voices out there. We need new cases. It only normalizes the topic even more. So, yeah, again, we'll put Fred's email in the show notes as well to reach. out. But where else can people find you, Fred? Well, it's on Twitter, the hellish hole

called Twitter, which I kind of love, even if it's, I don't know, it's some kind of hostage situation there, as Homo Satanis, where I'm quite active, and on Instagram, Homo satanis, even there, mostly post books. And I've actually restarted my old author page on Facebook now, Fred Anderson. And it's a, you know, it's a book coming out, so I need to be everywhere. But Twitter and Instagram is the, I would say, is the best way to interact with me. And, you know, I'm one of those who follows back if you're not an asshole. Yeah.

Exactly. Exactly. Follow him, guys. Please go follow him. And don't be an asshole. It's that simple. Fred, these are my favorite conversations, man, to have on somewhere in the sky. You're such a beacon of light in a field that can often get pretty dark sometimes.

So once again, I have to thank you for coming on Somewhere in the Skies. Thank you. Somewhere in the Skies is produced by Third Kind Productions in association with the Entertainment One Podcast Network.